After reports emerged last night that bidding for the services for free agent superstar Juan Soto could reach beyond the $700MM threshold, that possibility appears to have now come to pass. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported this evening that both the Yankees and Mets have recently pushed their offers to the $710-730MM range as the slugger’s free agency nears its conclusion. Heyman suggests that while it’s “believed” that the Mets have placed the higher bid of the two New York clubs, the deals appear to be within the same range. He goes on to add that there’s been no indication of the Red Sox, Blue Jays, or Dodgers being eliminated from the Soto sweepstakes to this point despite the record-setting offers from both New York clubs.
The 26-year-old phenom has long been expected to easily beat the record for net present value Shohei Ohtani’s megadeal with the Dodgers set last winter, which is estimated to be in the range of $461MM after accounting for the pact’s heavy deferrals. That said, it’s still somewhat shocking that the bidding for Soto has soared high enough that beating the $700MM guarantee Ohtani received last winter before factoring in deferred money is on the table. It’s possible that Soto’s deal could include some deferred money of its own, of course, but even with that possibility in mind it seems increasingly likely that he’ll shatter not only expectations entering the offseason but all previous precedents for guaranteed and annual money for MLB contracts.
Soto is in position to shatter records for a reason, of course. The youngster is particularly attractive to clubs given the fact that he’s marketing his age-26 season in free agency this winter. That extreme youth is uncommon in free agency, especially for top talent, and it allowed right-hander Yoshinobu Yamamoto to secure a record-breaking deal for starting pitchers last winter despite having never thrown a single pitch in MLB. By contrast, Soto is a four-time All Star and two-time MVP finalist who has never been less than 43% better than league average at the plate by measure of wRC+ during his career to this point. Soto’s combination of youth and track record hasn’t been seen in the majors since Alex Rodriguez’s free agency more than two decades ago, and in that time teams have only grown to value youth even more highly.
Per Heyman’s report, all five known finalists for Soto’s services remain in the mix to land the superstar, who is generally expected to make his decision within the next day or two. Heyman suggests that the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Blue Jays have all offered Soto at least $600MM, with the Dodgers’ offer coming in as the lowest of the five by a substantial amount. Beyond that, though, Heyman notes that the other four clubs have made offers that are “believed” to be relatively close to each other, and it’s unclear which of those four clubs has made the highest bid to this point. What’s more, Heyman suggests that Soto won’t necessarily choose the highest bidder, though it’s unclear what might motivate Soto to take a lesser offer. The Mets and Yankees have generally been viewed as the favorites to land Soto by the industry throughout his free agency, but whether that perception aligns with his actual preferences remains a mystery. The Red Sox, for their part, reportedly pushed for an additional meeting with Soto’s camp earlier this week, though it’s unclear if that request was or will be granted before the star makes his decision.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
That much money would yield better returns spread out over multiple players IMHO
tigers182
I wonder if the Royals offer exceeded this.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tigers – Yes it did, the Royals offer included making George Brett the lifetime butler of Soto.
VermonsterSD
You could get Snell, Adames, Santander, Hernandez, and Bregman for 725 million or so. No one man is worth that……lol
Pads Fans
You might for the total contract, but what matters is the AAV and you can’t get 2 of them for the $48 million Soto looks like he will get.
Bucco79
Pirates owner thinks an entire team is not worth that much
Blue Baron
VermonsterSD: Can’t get Snell or Adames anymore.
all in the suit that you wear
I think teams are hoping Soto opts out after 4 or 5 years in which case the the total years and total dollars won’t matter. However, it’s a gamble because he may not opt out if he gets a major injury. I think it’s likely good gamble because Soto is young.
Rsox
This. Opt-out after his age 29 season and see if he can get a “better” deal and be off the hook for the rest
BLIN7Y
I suspect the Mets offer includes deferments while the Yankee’s is all upfront
G-MenFan4lyfe
I suspect it would be the opposite… Uncle Steve has a lot more $$$ than Hal
Blue Baron
BLIN7Y: Based on what information?
thebirds
No. This is two teams from the same city in the middle of a pissing contest. If I were a Met or Yankees fan I would be extremely nervous if this is true. lol. He is no way, shape, or form worth anywhere near that much. This likely go down as the worst signing in sports history…… and I love it.
mussinahof
Yeah, I’m sure you think everything that isn’t a win for the Orioles is for ‘the birds’ – maybe weigh in when this Baltimore group of phenoms actually wins a playoff series!
thebirds
Yeah, I’m sure you know there is more than one team that has a “bird” for a mascot other than the Orioles. Right? lol. Baltimore is not my team.
Ee
That’s ridiculous to think Soto’s contract will be the worst ever. He’s 26 years old and has been an All Star or received MVP votes in 6 of 7 seasons (the one being his rookie year). He’s not gotten into any off-field issues and is well liked by teammates. If you think the tail end of a 12-14 year contract will look bad, perhaps. The Mets, at least, are in position to stomach it better based off recent history (eating contracts of Verlander, Scherzer).
Mryan6004
I would suspect the opposite
thebirds
lol.. denial a river in Egypt.
Flyby
right now unless he injures himself day one i believe worst contract would belong to Strasburg. 31 innings with 30 strike outs for 324M …. 10M+ an inning with no insurance and bad PR.
Big whiffa
He’s gonna be signed through age 39 or so. How could he ever make any more money ? He’s not gonna opt out ever
Edwardian
I don’t think his value will ever be higher than it is right now. He’ll then be in his 30s with four or five prime years gone.
Raymond Flagstaff
The envy is deep with this one
Raymond Flagstaff
Its called inflation, in 10 years he might not even want a contract denominated in dollars let alone such a paltry amount
A NYer
Yankees typically don’t defer $
Rsox
Ask ARod and Manny Machado
Pads Fans
He is worth what teams are willing to pay him. Obviously 5 teams feel he is worth something in the area of $700 million and 2 have gone beyond that.
theonlydynasty
What scares about about the contract is strangely the contract itself. As far as Soto, I trust his skill set to age very well. He’s already slow and not overly athletic. Is the small circus that surrounds these mega deals. It’s like the contract gets its own roster spot
RustysWorld6986
Cohen is worth 18 billion scones brother ! The guy can buy the Yankees and Dodgers 10X over ..That’s why MLB hates him so much!
Paleobros
Chris Davis, BJ Upton, Anthony Rendon and others say hello
mcmannes
That’s a GREAT point!
bullred
all in the suit that you wear – That’s a great point. I hope the Jays are able to bid up the other teams to help put a bigger anchor around the necks of whoever signs him. He is not going to Toronto for sure.
Big whiffa
18 billion can’t buy all that. And he owns the Mets. Who hates on the Mets lol
stymeedone
The history of long term contracts is not pretty. Everything looked great at the time of the signing. The length of this contract is likely to be in uncharted waters. Glad my favorite team is not in the bidding.
Mynameisnoname
Can’t imagine either offer contains deferrals. Yankees lead baseball in revenue and Cohen in ability and willingness to include personal assets.
cooperhill
LMFAO!!!
chemfinancing
They would have to restructer Mahomes contract for that
horaceallen
At this point it has as much to do with appeasing fan bases as it does with winning. Both teams are desperate to show their fans they will do whatever it takes to sign him.
Fever Pitch Guy
horace – I think for both NY teams winning is what’s most important.
It’s been 38 years for the Mets, 15 years for the Yankees.
I can’t imagine going that long without a WS championship!
wallabeechamp
Your papi & grandpapi didn’t have to imagine it. Ask them
whyhayzee
Both my father and my grandfather were alive for a few Red Sox championships, then after 1918, they moved to Japan.
dasit
hah! how times have changed
i used to chant “nineteen eighteen!”
pretty soon you guys will start chanting “twenty oh nine!”
Fever Pitch Guy
Dasit – I wrote the exact same thing prior to the world series!
I’d also go with twen-ty ni-ine or 2-K ni-ine!
dasit
as long as you guys don’t get soto. if that happens i might have to give up baseball
larkraxm
They should!
Ma4170
The thing is that i’ve seen many many met fans on sites like this agree w me that this is way too much. 600m was too much tbh. I’d much rather they use the money elsewhere to fill multiple holes.
And if theyre banking on an opt out after 3-4 years theyll need to give a huge signing bonus and front load it to obscene levels.
Ee
Why care between $600M-$725M? It’s just money. The Mets cannot get a hitter like this by trade without blowing up the farm system (and even then, it’s debatable). He’s the best FA on the market, in his prime. If he chooses another team, so be it, but it won’t be due to more money.
Raymond Flagstaff
People looking to comment on contracts generally dont demonstrate any analysis, its just gut reaction to the gaudy figures. Not gonna convince anyone. Its a risk sure but with the risk comes the potential reward, and no one here is equipped to comment on the financial situation of most or perhaps any teams or hey they may or may not derive value from their future employee
VonPurpleHayes
Ironically, both the Mets and Yankees need to make a ton of moves even after Soto. I’m not saying they aren’t competitive teams, it’s just that both lost a lot in Free Agency. This is absolutely wild, but I don’t think there’s a limit to what Cohen will spend on a guy he really wants, and the Yankees don’t want to lose face to a crosstown rival.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@von
I think the Mets have more heavy lifting than the Yanks. They 6 pitchers under contract and I think Cole/Rondon/Cortez/Gil/Schmidt is a strong rotation if healthy. Freid would be an amazing addition. That would leave 3b or 2b being filled by Jazz
Yanks could go cheap on Carlos Santana with Rice waiting in AAA
VonPurpleHayes
I agree.
Fever Pitch Guy
Von – I don’t see it, I don’t consider Rizzo, Holmes, Torres, Verdugo as “a lot”. Holmes and Torres would be a little, Rizzo and Verdugo would be virtually nothing.
I fully expect if the Mets land Soto they will acquire Vlad sometime over the next 12 months. In fact acquiring Siri probably was related to signing Soto.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Fever
You can dismiss the player but the fact remains those were our starting 1b, 2b, LF and closer. You better believe those are holes that need to be addressed with at least above average or potential to be above average production. And the fact is, Dominguez is penciled in for CF and while I love them, you have to how the bats of Wells and Volpe continue to develop.
Ppl pooh pooh on Torres but he likely was the 3rd or 4th best hitter between him and Jazz. He absolutely smashed for about 65 games once moved into the leadoff position. Yes he made mistakes but he clearly is the best 2b on the FA market and Yankee fans seem not to understand that. Durbin looks good but he’s unproven.
VonPurpleHayes
A lot as in quantity. That’s a significant chunk of starters.
bigdaddyt
This is the blue jays affect. They offered above 600 making the Yankees go to 700 so that the jays can sign no one and have a none competitive roster while the Yankees are stuck winning but having to over pay to do it
DugoutJester
Blue Jays need to concentrate and rebuild their front office. Currently they are not attractive to any player; build it, and they will come.
Sunday Lasagna
The Yankees will have more money to spend, the $710M will be an 18 year deal with an AAV of $39.4M to keep Soto under Judge’s AAV and to leave money for other signings.
When Soto is 44 he will probably not produce much but hey, who worries about the 2042 season now anyway.
Snuffy
I’ll be 91, not worried at all.
Fever Pitch Guy
Sunday – MLB won’t allow it, they’ve nixed similar contract lengths in the past.
BTW – I really like your handle!
avenger65
Sunday: Soto wants to beat Ohtani’s net annual value. I think he’s more focused on that than judge’s salary. But the Yankees might have to raise judge’s NAV if Soto’s bothers him. This could cause the Yankees more than just paying Soto.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Fever
In what grounds can the mlb nix a 18 year deal? He’s 26. Miggy extended until he was around 42
Flyby
@Sunday
The way contracts are going I think he is going to ask for big dollars up front with opt outs. He is also signing basically when Judge was a rookie. So he will definitely surpass Judge who signed at 30/31 not 26 which would be entering his prime. Even at 15 years he would be 41 same age as Judge at the end of his contract.
Raymond Flagstaff
Pretty pathetic to keep up with the joneses as. Half billionaire. New money is always so juvenile lol
Fever Pitch Guy
Knicks – Baseball’s collective-bargaining agreement states neither players nor clubs shall enter into any agreement “designed to defeat or circumvent the intention” of the luxury tax. The language is vague, subject to interpretation. But if the league determined a circumvention occurred, it conceivably could ask the parties to restructure the contract, most likely by agreeing to a shorter term, or reject the deal entirely.
Miggy’s contract ended in his Age 40 season, not 42. An 18-year contract would take Soto to Age 43, how many hitters are productive in their 40’s?
The NBA has a 5-year cap on contracts, NHL has an 8-year cap (7 years when signing another team’s free agent).
KnicksFanCavsFan
@big
I’m pretty sure the Mets were likely the main guys applying the pressure, not the Jays.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Mlb
You have to stop assuming that if they sign Soto they’ll be unwilling to add additional salary. They have $81 mil coming off the books ($31 mil being from Soto for repurposing sake). That leaves them with $31 mil just to get to last years payroll. I truly believe the Yanks wouldn’t hesitate to go $30-$40 mil above last years payroll. They can save some money with Dominguez and possibly Durbin at 2b.
Raymond Flagstaff
Problem from yankees standpoint is if they lose out on soto mets still have 20 million extra (above that 80) to use to take more from them
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
There’s no cap in terms of what either team spends. Also, Yanks compete with the Mets for the front page and Fandom. What’s mine is mine and there really isn’t anything the Mets can provide that the Yanks can’t either. Each than should be me concerned with the Yanks in their league.
Raymond Flagstaff
Im not suggesting anyone is concerned wth anyone else beyond filling rosters. Im saying the Mets have way more to spend, which they do. If yankees lose out on soto they run the risk of losing elsehwere too like fried, adames, burnes etc. This may spur them a bit to ensure they get soto and dont have to risk settling for 4th and 5th options because cohen goes nuts. Getting pressed against cohens wallet after losing soto could worry them. Maybe they dont want to double adames projected contract because they lost soto
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
Why would losing Soto hurt their charges of signing anyone else? Most would say the opposite. They’re willing to offer the largest offer to someone else they like. I’m not suggesting they should do that but I don’t think they put their wallet back in their pocket.
Raymond Flagstaff
Sorry but thats not what i said. What im saying is that losing soto means they need to start over bidding up everyone else while in all likelyhood cohen can still outbid them on their backup plans if its his plan as well. Might suggest to them to make sure they land soto rather than multiple back page defeats in one offseason getting nothing they want. It would worry me to lose out on soto with multiple teams to then compete on all other plans with and a cross town rival with the deepest pocketed owner in US sports. It could be why the yankees are being compelled to try and match cohen here
Damn Yankee$
This signing is more than baseball for Steinbrenner. Soto is a cash cow just like Judge. And if you remember, he stepped right in and took over the those negotiations as well.
nvmets
Well Soto is projected for 6.5-7 WAR next season and likely will be for at least the next 5 years given that he’s only 26.
I think it would actually be challenging to sign multiple players in this market who combine to a) cost under $50 million per pear and b) deliver much better than 6.5-7 WAR.
2 WAR pitchers have been getting $15-20 million per year this offseason, so you’d need to find another 5 WAR for roughly $30 million. Wouldn’t be easy.
cooperhill
He is at least 28.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@coop
Why bedbugs all Dominican players lie about their age? Some due but I don’t to no you can assume they all do.
Raymond Flagstaff
You have to remember to divide by the number of players. 1 player at 7 WAR is much greater than 3 players equaling 7, if you have money or a farm
larkraxm
The Yankees paid Soto ($33 million) and Rizzo (17 million) a combined $50 million last year. It seems giving all of that to Soto is reasonable. And to really answer your comment, it depends on who the players are. I would rather pay Soto his $50 million than spread it around to Aaron Hicks and Josh Donaldson!
BCleveland3381
Maybe, but last year Cohen tried to bring Yamamoto to NY but didn’t spend huge on others when he missed out on him. I think Cohen sees elite young players as guys you go above and beyond your payroll for. I’m not sure signing Soto prohibits the Mets from spending basically just as much money on other guys as they would if they didn’t sign him.
larkraxm
I’m saying the same thing about the Yankees, basically. They can pay Soto $50 million without increasing payroll from last year one penny. They still have lots of flexibility to address the bullpen, add a starter, and another bat. This is also a roster that includes last year’s Cy Young and this year’s MVP.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bcleve
Cohen is already showing his hands, imo. He’s going cheap on his starters. Montas and converting a closer into a dependable SP? They may still acquire a true FOR but giving Montas and Holmes rotation spots when you still have better tier 2 pitchers avail seems like you’re taking cheaper risks than you should.
Raymond Flagstaff
Cheap isnt a risk. Think again. He is merely filling roster spots with above average players.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
She when has Montas been above average? Since, when had Holmes pitched above average in a SP role in the major? How about never? z They’re are 6-7 better options in the table that just require money. Cohen can print money but is he willing to spend $700 mil on Soto AND spend high on others? Feels like he’s shopping at the Mercedes Benz dealership but and driving it straight to the dollar store for accessories.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
So when has Montas been above average? Since, when had Holmes pitched above average in a SP role in the major? How about never? z They’re are 6-7 better options in the table that just require money. Cohen can print money but is he willing to spend $700 mil on Soto AND spend high on others? Feels like he’s shopping at the Mercedes Benz dealership but and driving it straight to the dollar store for accessories.
YourDreamGM
Doesn’t make much sense for Yankees. Spent wisely 700 could fund 2 or 3 entire years of a roster. Makes much more sense for Mets though. Yankees may just be running up the price and Cohen is letting them.
larkraxm
I think just the opposite. Soto wants to be a Yankee and is using Cohen to get the Yankees to their top price. The Yankees are not the Brewers. Soto is an investment, not an expense. What the Yankees know is that winning is profitable and any line up that includes Judge and Soto in it is going to win a lot of games, and they are going to make a lot of money! In a few years, Stanton’s money comes off the books and the Yankees know that too.
TB Sox NY
I will hope that if the Yankees sign Soto they win a few titles or what really was the contract good for.Titles mean everything.
Best Screenname Ever
I agree with all of this, except I don’t think it’s just a matter of a few years ROI during Soto’s tenure. The Yankees are the Yankees, and a guaranteed long term financial powerhouse, exactly because they don’t get shoved off deals like this. Bet Yankees.
Raymond Flagstaff
Owners love running up contracts. /s
BLIN7Y
Not Really. 1 Superstar is better than 2-3 Good Players
Mynameisnoname
That’s only true for some teams. That isn’t as preventative from further adds for the NY teams and Soto has reportedly stressed future competitiveness in meetings.
If you think Burnes and Santander would be better than Soto, it is not a zero sum game. Some other player will take the place of the second player and make it a 2 for 2 consideration.
LordD99
Yes, although there’s no clear replacement for a 25-year-old, 7+ win player. The timing of his free agency is working to his advantage.
Led Hoyer
How Soto is worth more than ohtani is nuts. I don’t see any way 680 million is deferred
Baseballisthebest
Why?
HankAaronDidGreenies
Only if the total WAR over the lifetime of the contract amounts to or exceeds Soto’s.
machurucuto
This guy isn’t worth half of what they’re offering, but it’s all the media’s fault for overhyping him. If Judge, who’s generally a better player, is making $360 million, how is this guy going to make $720 million? It’s just absurd.
machurucuto
I hope the team I despise the most signs him.
Begottenson
I wonder just talking for the price tag what would Yankees fans rather have Willy Adames ,Tyler O’Neil and left over cash to spend , or jaun soto ?
Blue Baron
Shaun Owens: Adames and O’Neill have signed elsewhere, so the Yankees can’t have them.
Rsox
I think that was meant hypothetically. Realistically for what the Yankees are potentially going to spend on Soto depending on how the rest of the offseason goes people may question if the better play would have been to spread the money around
Blue Baron
RSox: Ya think?
Begottenson
Thank you
VonPurpleHayes
We all saw it coming, but this is ridiculous. 700+ for an excellent one-way player.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Yordan Alvarez’s eyes are LIT UP right now..
YourDreamGM
Yordan didn’t want the risk and took the team friendly extension. Will still get paid but not as much (maybe who knows!) and have to wait a few more years.
Mynameisnoname
Major surgery to both knees and hard to diagnose persistent hand issues make this comp silly.
Soto has shown to have an accurate arm and although not great in range is much better than Yordan with the glove.
Raymond Flagstaff
The glove is irrelevant. Literally did nothing for the most important hitter for his team with one of the best gloves at most important positions, in terms of mvp votes. Yet all of a sudden every envious troll out there thinks sotos contract should have something to do with defense
BurnerK
Some DH are gonna hafta start butt shaggin come FA.
CarverAndrews
i am all for the players getting paid, but this is now rather sickening. Terrific hitter and incredibly y0ung to hit the open market, but basically a two tool player without any special marketing boost either. Those two tools are world class, but this contract is going to become an albatross of mammoth proportions. Therefore I hope that the Mets “win” the deal, as a Phillies fan. No offense, Mets fans, of course… ; )
seamaholic 2
Except the Mets will be really good through the Phillies current window.
CarverAndrews
The Mets are set up to be “good” no matter what for the next few years…the $$ available are insane and the owner treats it like an expensive hobby. They are going to spend like crazy – the question is will they be intelligent in approach. For the last number of years the answer most of the time has been no, as the organization has had brain rot due to horrendous ownership. Moving forward, let’s see if they get their act together.
When folks talk about “windows”, they are making uninformed assumptions. The Phils as one of the teams that can sustain a relatively high payroll could keep the window open indefinitely if they play their cards right, just as they could close it down for the time being if a combination of stupidity and bad luck occurs.
dclivejazz
Soto has huge marketing value.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@carver
Juan Soto vs the field from ages 19-26, his first 7 years, since 1975.
dWar = -51, one of the worst.
OffWar = +287, third behind Trout and Pujols, and ahead of Arod, Frank Thomas and Griffey Jr.
Total War , which factors in defense and base running, he ranks 6th behind Trout, Arod, Griffey Jr, Pujols and Jones. Jones was largely based off of his elite defense. So factoring in the worst components of his game, and he’s STILL elite.
My point is, Soto , even with his deficiencies, is STILL among the very elite baseball players in the last 75 years. And his bat is so lethal, it’s on iconic level when it comes to being one of the elite hitters in
bjsguess
Mike Trout through his age 26 year. One season of 114 games, one season of 140 games, 4 seasons of 150+ games. One of the most durable players in baseball up to that point. Age 27=32 he has 4 of the 6 seasons playing in double digit games.
Pujols was better than Soto at 26 and continued to play at a high level until 30. 31 was more good than great. 32 was his last year above 3 fWAR. Over the next 10 years he totaled 5 fWAR. TEN YEARS.
Griffey was killing it through his age 30 year. Over his next 10 years he was worth less than 4 fWAR combined..
Frank Thomas kept hitting for a long time but his early years of producing massive value with just his bat ended largely ended by 29. Before 29, 5 fWAR was his lowest. After 29, he had one more 5 fWAR year and averaged just 2 fWAR a year for the next 11 years.
Rodriguez was cranking out 4 fWAR seasons into his mid-30’s but take that with a grain of salt considering his PED usage. He also was adding some value with his glove and feet. Something that Soto isn’t doing now as a corner outfielder.
Andruw Jones last great season was at 29. 30 was solid. His last 5 years totaled less than 3 fWAR. He was out of MLB at 35.
If I were an optimistic betting man, Soto will most likely continue to crank out 6-9 fWAR seasons for another 3-4 years. That is incredibly valuable. But his most recent comps should scare anyone as you look at years 31+. The thought of paying someone $50M-$60M/year to be a corner outfielder/DH generating 2 fWAR isn’t great. And knowing that you are most likely paying 100% tax on top of that salary is just silly.
Ma4170
@bjsguess
Agree, many who started playing FT MLB schedules (plus playoffs) from a young age (19-21) tended to start dropping off around 31-32 due to injury and/or performance. Cabrera and cano similar. I think soto gives 5 more elite seasons. And for his money, theyre paying for 5+ war seasons at a minimum. I bet he has 1-2 after 30 and thats it.
The team that signs him should front load the contract like crazy and pray he opts out after 3-4 seasons.
JackStrawb
@KnicksFanCavsFan That’s ridiculous—no offense.
2018-2024:
Marcus Semien 37.4 bWAR
Soto 36.4
Matt Chapmen 35.2
Just a small % of (mostly) NON-Hall of Famers in Soto’s tier:
= Utley, 49.3 bWAR, 2005-2011
= Kenny Lofton 41.9, 1992-1998
= Keith Hernandez 39.9 1979-1985
= Jim Edmonds, 37.7 2000-2006
= John Olerud 33.7, 1996-2002
= Abreu 41.6, 1998-2004
= Carlos Correa 34.6, 2016-2022
= Ian Kinsler 34.1, 2009-2015
= Bernie Williams 37.0 1995-2001
= Will Clark 32.9 1988-1994
= Palmeiro 35.5 1993-1999
= Matt Holiday 33.5, 2007-2013
= Carlos Beltran 40.5, 2002-2008
= Billy Williams 36.5, 1962-1968
= Adrian Gonzalez 34.6, 2009-2015
= Brett Butler 32.7, 1986-1992
= Andruw 42.2, 1998-2004; 41.5, 1999-2005; 2000-2006, 40.0
= Jose Altuve 35.1, 2013-2019
= Dale Murphy, 37.2, 1982-1988:
This list is a kindness to Soto. Add in the Hall of Famers and include the last 75 years, as you suggest, and he’s not even in the top 250 players.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@bjs
Not sure why you found the need to look beyond their age 26 seasons. My point was to show where he stands among the best in that time period. You focus on the fWar and completely ignore the fact that his total War factors in his weaknesses with the glove and on the base-plath. Even with those blemishes he STILL talks out as a top guy in the game overall, top 3 behind Judge (40) and Ohtani (70). Assuming his average will be $50 mil then that’s in-line in between those two. It’s good age and length of the contract that had everyone in a tissue.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ma4170
Both Miggy and Cano posted OPS near oulr above .900 at age 33. Miggy turned into a slob and was oft injured going into his mid 30s. Obviously Soto needs to stay in shape. Cano, at his best, want a better hitter than Soto and didn’t age well magnified by moving into a much less friendlier ballpark.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@jack
I use fangraphs so let’s go by that. But why are you looking at Semein from age 28 on? The main components of this $700 mil offer his elite ability x the fact that he’s only 26. Not too many FA have this kind of resume at age 26 AND hit the market at that age (as opposed to pre-FA extensions) to benefit from it. Compare other elite guys that debuted at an early age.
According to fangraphs Griffey debuted at age 19 (same as Soto). He had around 34-35 War I believe. Arod’s first full season was at 20. He had about 50 War his first 7 seasons. Both were elite defenders. Even with his deficiencies Sotos bat placed him in between two legends.
Ma4170
@knicks
Yes but miggy at age 32 lost part of the year to injury, had the one final good year at 33, and then never stayed healthy again. And cano’s age 33 was after a down year, so it was more of a last hurrah.
I think that soto will have two 5+ war years after 30, that’s it. Hopefully I’m still alive to be able to look back and find out.
SportsFan0000
His bat was not impressive for his 1st many months in San Diego.
He is a above average hitter,
His throwing arm and defense are only average,
He takes too many walks and lets fastballs right down the middle go right by him when his team needed a clutch hit and RBIs for a team win,
Hard pass on Soto/Soso!
BCleveland3381
Cohen I can understand. The Mets are his play thing.
17dizzy
I totally agree!!! No offense to Soto! He’d be stupid not to take the quarenteed money and run!!!!
For a team to put $700 million in one basket for one player is so ridiculous …. It’s stupid!!!!
Think how many quality free agents could be purchased with that amount of money for 2025 and beyond ????
If this isn’t a solid reason for MLB owners to vote in a salary cap ….. I have no idea what is!!!!
BLIN7Y
AAV over 15 years will be between 45MM and 50MM if it goes to 750MM.
The AAV is on par with the Sherzer, Verlander, and Ohtani contracts. It’s the length of the deal that makes it seem out of touch. If Ohtani was 25-26 last year he would have got this contract to age 40
JackStrawb
@BLIN7Y That makes no sense. As regards output and marketing, Soto’s not in Ohtani’s zip code.
He’s not even adjacent to the zip code adjacent to Ohtani’s zip code.
Mynameisnoname
Yesterdays 25 mil is today’s 47 mil. Half way through the contract, 47mil will be a smaller percentage of the LT limits.
Sports keep growing and inflation will be a consideration as well.
Big whiffa
I don’t think so. Revenues won’t rise at a rate to justify these wages.
Raymond Flagstaff
I dont think the sports are growing much, its all inflation
KnicksFanCavsFan
@17
Dude relax. It’s not $700 mil per year. The Yanks might be able to get 1 top SP and 1 top bat for the ANNUAL salary being offered to Soto. Yanks are likely to sign Soto, if he accepts, AND splurge on a SP and a power hitting lefty or switch at 1b or 3b. 8 years from now the Soto annual week seem like nothing.
larkraxm
Let’s say Soto got $50 million AAV (reports are that it is short of that) the answer to your question is two. Adames got roughly $26 million AAV, so the Giants maybe could sign one more quality FA for what Soto will get. Is Soto worth Adames and more “guy”? To me, hell yes. The Yankees paid Soto and Rizzo $50 million last year. Is Soto worth Soto and Rizzo? 100% a million times.
avenger65
Von: Is it even possible for someone to spend that much money in less than a lifetime? It’s kind of like Brewster’s Millions.
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
Taxman will take a good portion.
Raymond Flagstaff
They arent buying eggs with their 700. Theyre buying ferarris, houses, businesess, yachts etc. Probably trusts for chikdren and houses for parents. Not as hard as u may think
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Cheap-a$$ Dodgers trailing them all, LOL !!! Get a grip, LA, what a joke.
yanksfan2010
I’m a huge Yankees fan, Soto is not worth that much. Contracts are getting way too crazy.
Damn Yankee$
Steinbrenner will charge the exact same amount for bottled water and chicken buckets whether he signs Soto or not. Give the kid whatever he wants. They need his bat.
MLB-1971
Yank – they need his huge pay check on the books too.
MacGromit
@yanksfan2010
I don’t doubt that he is an alien in terms of talent, consistency and youth but holy smokes that’s a lot of money.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
They have to land Soto or else they will go into a rebuild and start over. Roster too old. Well more like a reset. Yankee farm is decimated. Toronto will have to do the same thing. Their farm is cheap manure. And we may even see it from the Astros if they don’t sign Bregman. Astros farm pretty barren.
stymeedone
One player, Bregman, isn’t going to help Houston’s farm system, if they sign him. Letting him go, otoh, gets them the extra pick.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah I just meant in general, if Bregman goes, do the Astros also look at Tucker & Valdez each with one year left before free agency and decide perhaps to ship them off for prospects to repopulate the farm and take a reset year.
Raymond Flagstaff
Takeit up with the politicians and the idiots that vote for them, thats why it is the way it is
User 1939973770
lol he’s so overrated
Damn Yankee$
The Yankees hadn’t won a pennant in 15 years until he got to the Bronx. In one season they made it to the World Series. Yeah, he’s overrated.
MLB-1971
Damn Y – So the Yankees made it to the World Series in a very down year for the American League. The Yankees were so flawed that they really had no chance to win. If they sign Soto they still will be deeply flawed. I hope the Yankees do sign him…..
DugoutJester
Albeit contracts are getting out control as of late, calling a 8.0 war player overrated may be a stretch.
Ma4170
Yeah i dont think he’s overrated but hes had one 8 war season. Good for him it was his walk year
Raymond Flagstaff
Inflation inflation inflation. Wake up folks, gov is destroying your fiat notes
The McNasty1
Boras co-wrote heyman’s column
pando8888
As a Yankees fan, the Mets can have her for that price!
pando8888
Typo, relax!
clrrogers
Lazy humor? Why don’t you entertain us then with your well-thought-out humor since your demographic apparently controls what’s allowed to be funny and what isn’t?
clrrogers
Looks like someone lost their joy. But it’s okay. You fought really hard, right? Do you feel unburdened by what has been yet?
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So one doctor told their mom they can get an abortion and another doctor said they can’t?
Cllrogers mom: what do you mean I can get an abortion?!
And the mom doesn’t want to put with a child but puts up with a child for over 2 years before seeing a doctor?
Major joke plot holes
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So you match a perceived misogynistic joke with a semi gay joke. Nice
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Why does Soto need to whisper sweet nothings into a random dudes ear?
johncoltrane
This has boras greed written all over it
He has created the most insane bidding war in sports history
Blue Baron
johncoltrane: What you call greed is what others call being the best and most successful agent in the business.
johncoltrane
i dont work in the sports world, but i do work in the entertainment business and have had a lot of experience with agents (who rep actors, filmmakers, writers). agents are the worst human beings on earth. they have no souls, no hearts, no respect, no shame. you have absolutely no idea how ruthless agents are. i dont know why i’m explaining myself to you. boras disgusts me.
wayneroo
To the best of my knowledge, an agent’s job is to get the best financial deal for his client, and not much else. As Irving Azoff once said, “If you see an agent that has too many friends in this business, I’ll show you an agent that’s sold out his clients and has done a crappy job.” At the Eagles RRHOF induction, Don Henley said about Azoff after thanking him, “As I’ve said before, he may be Satan, but he’s our Satan”. Azoff was very pleased about that, and took it as a job well done.
Blue Baron
johncoltrane: If he disgusts you, he probably disgusts others, and that means he’s excellent at his job, which is to advocate for and enrich his clients.
His job is not to please people like you and make friends.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@john So every single agent you’ve ever met is like that ?? You’ve never met any decent agents? Dang. Guess I’m not going to Holywood. End up in a bad situation on a casting couch.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is their a Scott Boras equivalent for NFL players? Or does he rep them too? Anybody know offhand?
Baseballisthebest
John, then you don’t actually work in the entertainment industry. Good agents and agencies are the heart blood of the industry. They make sure the product, the creative talent are fairly compensated. They do far more than just negotiate contracts. They also act as mentor, teacher, and often accountant. In Boras’ case he has teams of people whose job it is to protect and enhance the health, wealth and skills of the players that sign with his agency.
Boras is the best in baseball for a reason and that reason is both teams and players trust him. If you hate him that says a bunch about you and absolutely nothing about him.
Does that mean there are not unscrupulous agents? Of course not. There are slimes in every business endeavor. Boras is not one of them or he would not be so successful. Successful agents in baseball have to bridge the gap between both players and teams in a very public arena. They have to be trustworthy.
Baseballisthebest
Boras only reps baseball players.
Raymond Flagstaff
Boras is their scape goat because they dont understand the value of dollars is diving
aLifetimeOfDefeats
That’s a lot of money to pay a 30 year old future DH.
Rynoshield
Except that he’s 26 years old
aLifetimeOfDefeats
Sure Jan
Wire to wire 2024
Is he alleged to be older? I wouldn’t be surprised…
aLifetimeOfDefeats
There have been rumors since he entered the league as a “19 year old”
Wire to wire 2024
He certainly looks a little older than mid twenties
AM21
This is going to be the albatross of albatrosses.
JackStrawb
Possibly. Even with inflation what’s he going to have to produce to be ‘worth it’? 50 WAR? 60?
He’s too limited and has old players’ skills. He won’t reach the latter. He may well have just had his best season until he retires. 40 WAR for the rest of his career wouldn’t surprise me. Consider, though, the playoff revenues he’ll help produce over the next five years.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Jack
You really think he had his best season at age 25? Really?.
Any long term deal is going to come with some let down towards the end. that’s a given whether you’re Babe Ruth or whomever. You think the Yanks card about that while they enjoyed 10 years of historic performance? And no I’m not comparing the two directly altho Ruth had similar limitations.
@AM21
Judge is 3 years into his new deal with 7 years left at age 33 getting $40 mil more. a at least your getting more prime years for Soto. Judge deal will end at age 40. Soto’s likely will too.
stymeedone
@ knicksfan
He thinks he just had his best season at age 30, and that he is not 26. So a 14 yr contract would take him to what he says is his age 40 season, but is really age 44.
pando8888
That him!
fred-3
Two desperate teams
DigglinDickers
Not worth it.
Wheeler Dealer
Nobody is worth these ridiculous contracts, where is this coming from???
Raymond Flagstaff
Fake money. Educate yourself
VonPurpleHayes
Contracts continue to inflate every year. I don’t know if this will be an albatross, but it’s frightening how expensive players are these days.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think Soto is boring. His at bat in the ALCS pretty much went viral and is now part of pop culture. He’s extremely marketable, young and an excellent bat, but he cannot field at all.
VonPurpleHayes
Yeah. I can’t agree with this one. I’m a huge Harper fan, but I don’t see why Soto couldn’t be as marketable as him, particularly with huge Latin American fanbases in NY.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I think Soto has marketability since he will become like the #1 player in Latin America (granted that’s not Japan)
I don’t watch hockey but I know who mark messier is when I see him in an ad, I don’t watch soccer but I know who Messi is
BLIN7Y
You’re right…it’s just you
YourDreamGM
I find most mlb players boring. Ohtani is his own tier. Then Harper Judge. Soto bout as good as anyone else. Won world series so young. 2 blockbuster trade watches. Oh and played in world series with Yankees. Big media moments so big known name. If the same things happened to other people say witt lindor they would be even more marketable.
Raymond Flagstaff
People like harper, even those who dont. No kne really likes soto bc he hasnt grown up yet
Raymond Flagstaff
“Most great players are hispanic”? Eh that seems unlikely
Raymond Flagstaff
Personally ohtani seems like a cartoon simpleton with main character syndrome. He nauseates me almost as much as soto acting like a grade A prck
VonPurpleHayes
It sounds like a you problem. You just seem like you hate fun.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It just is what it is. It took a long time to generally top A-Rod’s deal and then the leap frogging truly exploded.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Oooooo a Pissing Contest….Marvelous
CardsFan57
Will the winner win or lose by winning?
Yankee Clipper
Great question that will be answered in future history.
whosehighpitch
I would take both Machado and Harper before paying this Savannah Banana wanna be dancing after called ball any day
VonPurpleHayes
Harper’s contract is an absolute steal in retrospect.
JackStrawb
It really isn’t. 23.3 bWAR in the prime 6 years of the deal is nothing special. If he puts up half that figure over the last 7 years of the deal it should surprise no one–that’s 4-5 years of competent production from a regular. In the overall that’s nothing special, around $9m per FA win when 2/3 of the wins are cheaper than today.
VonPurpleHayes
23.3bwar for less than 30 a year AAV is absolutely a steal in today’s market.
CardsFan57
That Harper contract may turn out to be the best long term contract ever signed by a team.
fred-3
Ohtani signed the most team-friendly long term contract in sports history
CardsFan57
It’s interesting to characterize the richest contract in the history of the game both in terms of AAV and overall value as team friendly.
fred-3
Huh? He deferred over half his contract til after he’s playing. In present day value, it’s only a 10 year, about $460M deal. He’s only making $2M for the next nine years, which allows the Dodgers to do whatever they want.
pivotal180.com/what-ohtanis-contract-can-teach-us-….
CardsFan57
They are still putting aside over $40 million per year to cover those later $68 million per year payments.
fred-3
CardsFan57, yes, you have to put any player’s entire salary into an escrow account when it’s officially signed.
When taking into account the time value of money and the dollar amount deferred by Ohtani, the present value of his contract is approximately $460 m, which is significantly less than the “richest” contract in history. That $700 m is almost like a fake number, just for headlines.
fred-3
Or I think only the present day value needs to be in escrow. Either way, it’s off set by paying him only $2 million for the next nine years.
JackStrawb
@fred-3 “yes, you have to put any player’s entire salary into an escrow account when it’s officially signed.”
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No, you really don’t.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@fred
That’s not how it works. For salary call purposes he’s costing I think $46 mil per.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Fred
I think, even after adjustments, $460 is still the largest contract?. Who’s earning more right now?
stymeedone
Not almost, it is a number used by media to attract clicks.
metsin4
Scherzer and not even close.
BadCo
Stupid is that stupid does…
Enrico Pallazzo
stupid is AS stupid does
bluepelotas
I call bulls***
KnicksFanCavsFan
I’m very comfortable at 14/$50 mil.
Yanks have $81 mil coming off the books, including repurposing the $31 mil he made last year.
$81 mil
-$50 for Soto
-$30 for Reid
Target 1b Carlos Santana for a short-term 1/$12 (he made like $6 mil last year) whey another option and $3 mil buyout making it $15 mil guarantee.
Target a trade for 3b Bohm or roll the dice with Durbin at 2b and Jazz at 3b.
Rotation of Cole/Freid/Rondon/Gil/Cortez and use Schmidt as the 6th guy/ multiple innings relief guy. Dump Stroman for whatever.
Jazz
Durbin
Soto
Judge
Dominguez
Stanton
Santana
Wells
Volpe
Yanks might decide to just blow up the payroll for a two year hit and maybe go for Belli at 1b and maybe Brohm at 3b with Durbin and Rice waiting in AAA.
Blue Baron
KnicksFanCavsFan: Who’s Reid?
braves25
I’m pretty sure he meant Fried
davidrocholl
I predicted 14/714 almost 2 weeks ago on this site. Highly front loaded, with 4 opt out choices and only 151M in deferrals.
clubberlang
Yesterday the media was screaming 600+, today they are screaming 700+. Lolol
The bidding war is real, but highly doubt any of these deals will come without heavy deferred money.
YanksPhan42
Tyler O’Neil – .241 31 dongs – 49 million
Juan Soto – .288 41 dongs – 700 million
If I’m Cashman, I say no thank you and spread that money out to fill many holes. Unless they’re trading Judge which I don’t see happening
Boodge106
Now do OPS
YanksPhan42
Not the point. It’s called value for the dollar.
Raymond Flagstaff
Tyler oneil lol. Cant imagine why the yankees arent paying u the big bucks
Boodge106
Not the point that Soto has one of the highest OPS in the history of baseball? And that Tyler O’Neill is just above a replacement level player?
Raymond Flagstaff
Lol
JackStrawb
Well, OPS+. Or WRc+. Or WAR.
I get the feeling YP42 thinks Pete Alonso belongs in the Hall of Fame.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yanks
erase this please. yikes
YanksPhan42
To the 12 year old morons on here mocking my post. I’ve forgotten more about baseball than you’ll even know as I actually played at a high level. You also clearly missed the point. Yankees have SEVERAL holes to fill and Hank already said he doesn’t want a 300m payroll. This isn’t the NBA where you get “3 stars” and then win a title. You need DEPTH in the lineup and a deep starting staff. Soto is the best lefty hitter in MLB not named Ohtani and a far better player than O’Neil…..but 700 mil is ridiculous…..especially when you look at the VALUE of O’Neil’s deal at just 49mil.. It’s a factor when you’re filling many holes on a said budget…..which isn’t controversial, it’s common sense.
If we get Soto, are we done with big ticket items? If so, no thank you!
aLifetimeOfDefeats
So who’s gonna be the first MLB player to get a billion dollar contract?
Buffett
He isn’t born yet
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Born in 2010
This one belongs to the Reds
Probably 900 million deferred.
Raymond Flagstaff
Just wait till the next round of QE itll blow your minds
TigersLoveCinnamon
Insane, what would bonds have gotten after the pirates, 15 years 1.5 billion?
30 Parks
… and a plane is on its way to Toronto.
brewers214
so who will be the 1st player to sign a contract worth 1 billion dollars
BaseballClassic1985
Just say “No”, Hal
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
So this pretty much means the Dodgers are signing him
Buffett
Exactly
VonPurpleHayes
Deferred money. He’ll be getting 1 million for the next 750 years.
DirtyWater04
Don’t be so sure, the Red Sox are still firmly in this, according to the Red Sox. Sources say Henry is really going all in and is willing to up his offer to $145 million, just waiting for a call back to confirm some of the smaller details.
stymeedone
Gee, did you really expect any of these teams to say they are out of it?
Enrico Pallazzo
Yikes! Is baseball ruined or is that only true when the Dodgers sign free agents?
Wire to wire 2024
It’s been bad but the dodgers just exacerbate it
Veejh
Or, you could have bought the entire Royals organization not too long ago for the discount rate of $1B.
ohyeadam
Wonder what team he will buy after he retires
CTS4
Hey shapiro , time for plan B…bring back Vogelbach
bestone
Giddy up!
Salzilla
I don’t care about the money, WE’RE THE FN YANKEES (I mean, technically I’m not, but you get it)! TIME TO PLAY LIKE PAPA, HAL! Don’t you dare lose this guy to the Mets!
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
It is ok
DarrenDreifortsContract
i wouldn’t even give him half of that. Especially after just losing the world series with him.
Wire to wire 2024
He’s not worth it but he’s far from the reason they lost the series
Frankie Bani
The reason was Judge
hopper15
His defense was a big reason they lost game one though.
stymeedone
Well, he’s not the reason they won, because they didn’t win!!!
El Kabong
What does winning or losing the World Series have to do with it?
cooperhill
Insane for a one dimensional player who’s probably older than his listed age,with questionable character (
El Kabong
Questionable character? In what way?
Raymond Flagstaff
One dimensional lol no mention of it being the only predictable 50% of the game
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Anyone see Jon heymans radio outburst last night? He is as unreliable as an insurance company
I still think Soto stays with the Yankees even if the Mets have the higher offer but if Steve cohen decides to do whatever it takes I could see a 750-800 million offer make Soto go to queens
The McNasty1
He’s a hack
Rumors2godsears
After Ohtani’s contract the cost to go to a Dodger game went as nutty as his contract… whatever team signs Soto will have the same repercussions and so as they say… this isn’t my money it will be with the raise in the cost of going.
Mikenmn
Madness. Great player but the ripple effect on spending through the rest of the roster, the draft-pick penalties, etc…
jkoko
These teams are dumber than rocks. Are they forgetting that all he does is hit??
El Kabong
Yeah, he’s one-dimensional like that bum Ted Williams.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Comparing Soto to arguably the greatest hitter of all time lol.
El Kabong
You missed the point entirely.
DarrenDreifortsContract
No. You were just trying to justify a terrible contract with an even more terrible comparison.
El Kabong
My post has nothing to do with the contract. The OP stated all Soto does is hit, which was all Williams did.
KnicksFanCavsFan
How good was Ted’s glove or base running? Ruth? When you hedge a bar that elite at age 26 you pay them. He’s an outlier. He’s an elite hitter that hit the market during his age 25 season. How many guys even have an OBP above .380 this year? maybe 10? in this day an age a. 350 OBP is considered above average. He is elite. Him, Judge, Ohtani and maybe Vlad.
empirejim
How many Rings did Ted lead the Sox to? I forget…
El Kabong
Ted lost count after spitting at the fans.
Raymond Flagstaff
What the heck is going on. Are you people out of your minds? “All he does is hit”? and its a problem? are we taking about the same sport? The one were ohtani just got the mvp over a great offensive season with elite defense at SS and he wasnt surrounded with freeman and betts in he lineup? And no one even questioned it?
VonPurpleHayes
Ohtani can pitch like an ace. His contract includes that. Yes. He has an excellent MVP season as a DH only, but if he never pitches again, that contract isn’t so great. He’s being paid as a two-way player.
Raymond Flagstaff
Possibly, but not a guarantee
JackStrawb
@jkoko AND that players with his skills age poorly?
Frankie Bani
The Yankees still dreaming to see Judge, Domínguez and Soto in the Bronx
Blue Baron
Frankie Bani: Dominguez? He hasn’t done anything yet.
wbz41
Soto is closing in on a prominent cabinet nomination at this rate.
bloomquist4hof
I wonder how close he gets to a 800m guaranteed, and does he exceed 50m per? How much is deferred? Absolute insane but not all that surprising. My guess is if a player like A-Rod circa 2000-2001 offseason came available today would be significantly higher than what Soto is about to get, over a billion, maybe 1.1-1.2 billion guarantee.
DarrenDreifortsContract
If he gets 14 years which is what Tatis got. 50 million a season would put him at 700 million. I’m assuming he’s getting over 50 million regardless.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
The other thing I think people should realize is that teams’ valuation of him are about equitable, and going up by $1M or $2M or $5M a year per new bid is nothing in and of itself and none of the teams genuinely in the running want to be “the cheap one” who under bids and thinks their best and final offer was “good enough” when fans know someone else will gladly blow that club out of the water- they don’t want to draw the line by by a year here, a couple million per season there.
He’s not the first guy to do this.
Plenty of players entered the off season with a market value of, say, 4 years/$50M and with so many clubs agreeing to that valuation, the top bid winds up at like 7 years/$105M or whatever.
Remember when Teixeira was expected to get like 5 years/$100M to 7 years/$140M and the winning bid was 8 years/$180M?
I think a similar thing happened with Beltran and Ohtani and many others.
That’s how that happens.
This time is no different, it’s just that the floor and ceiling are much much much higher.
Also when you factor inflation into it, $40m is the new $30m was the new $20M, etc.
Indianfan
Both NY MLB teams are run by rich sickos. We’ll show them.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
What about the Dodgers, the Red Sox, Arizona with their deal for Greinke, etc?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I hope I am sensing your sarcasm, el biggest troll?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Mmkay. Just listing teams that spend at record breaking rates, plus Arizona with the Greinke deal.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Arizona is the point, though- it’s not just the Yankees and Mets driving up prices.
Besides- I wasn’t responding to you, originally.
Blue Baron
Indianafan: Sickos? Who are you to judge?
differentbears
Ohtani’s contract is looking like a bargain now.
Raymond Flagstaff
Plus sincehe gambled on baseball they can terminate it whenever they like
quimmy
Yanks have to pay whatever it takes. Imagine trading King and basically Cease for a one year rental? Would be a disaster. Soto has them bent over and he is going to squeeze them dry, no discounts. Boras masterclass.
stymeedone
Imagine signing Soto to a disastrous contract, which your analytics team warned you against, simply because you didn’t want people to say you traded for a one year rental. You did trade for a one year rental, though, as Soto would still be on the market if you hadn’t done that deal.
empirejim
Dodgers committed 700M for Shohei and in his first year he generated over 100M in revenue for the Dodgers.
I cant see Dominicans shelling out $120 for Soto jerseys the way Japan does for Shohei. Soto is a great hitter, but pretty meh in all other aspects of the game. Paying him Ohtani money sounds like a recipe for disappointment. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I’d rather lock up Burnes and Buehler and a couple more solid players for a lot less.
El Kabong
What does Soto’s Dominican heritage have to do with it? The future of MLB is worldwide TV and marketing. Soto is not boring and has the type of swagger many fans enjoy. Over time, his contract will pay for itself.
stymeedone
The moment he signs, his contract will overshadow anything he does on the field.
El Kabong
I disagree. The moment the season starts, baseball fans will primarily be concerned with the product on the field. That’s why we’re baseball fans: because we enjoy watching the game of Major League Baseball.
Baseballisthebest
Do you have any evidence of that $100 million claim? Just say no, because there is none.
JackStrawb
@empirejim Now you’re talking $80-85m a year to get those four players. Are you going to keep churning them for the next 14 years and end up spending $1.2 billion vs. 750m for Soto?
BLIN7Y
Key for Yanks is to not stop with Soto. Hopefully they budgeted 50MM for him and sign a Co-Ace and obtain a 1B
JackStrawb
They didn’t. They won’t.
MacGromit
this is like watching 2 contestants bid while on “Name That Tune” and the winner has to name the tune in zero notes.
love it.
empirejim
Why would this maroon want a 10+ year deal? Did he learn NOTHING from the deals signed by Machado and Harper? Four years and he will be complaining about needing his deal re-worked. because he’s going to feel underpaid.
helf35
If it’s true this will go down as the worst signing in the history of baseball.
olmtiant
Okay Boston… you did your job… Now please get the other 2-3 FA on the line and sign them with the money saved HERE!!!!
unglar
Go Hal GO!
920falcon
Boras’ revenge part 2.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Let’s get creative Yanks. 15/$650 with a $100 mil signing bonus paid out the first year of the contract.
$750 total. $150 million in first year then $43 mil x 14 years. Bite the lux tax bullet for 1 year and then next year they’ll have $107 coming off the books.
Anthony maresca
Where are you getting $107 miyoff the books??
DavRozNYY
Let the Mets have his. Why sign him to then be hamstrung to make other moves? the Yanks still would have so many holes to fill., with retreads and minor leagers?
Raymond Flagstaff
Probably because they gave up a lot for him and he is not replaceable
Informed Sportsball Discussion
And to think, someone asked with a straight face at Soto’s Padre introduction if he might consider signing an extension.
Oh well.
Baseballisthebest
Soto did consider it. He came very close to signing it. Boras has said a couple times now that if Seidler was still alive that they would have gotten the extension finished.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Baseball
There is no indication that was close to happening, only that Seidler wanted it to happen.
Soto was never going to foregoing free agency.
Baseballisthebest
The indication is that Boras has said it twice now. I tend to believe Boras knows what was happening more than random commenters on a baseball board.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Baseball
Boras’ story has changed. Here is what he said in March.
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si.com/mlb/padres/san-diego-padres-news/late-padre…
“Peter Seidler talked throughout his illness about Juan,’’ agent Scott Boras told USA Today late Friday night. “He kept saying, ‘We’re going to sign him. We’re going to get that done. We know what he means to us.’
“From everything Peter said to me, there is no way he would have traded Juan Soto. I don’t think that was in his DNA. It was very personal to him.”
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^ No contract negotiations. Just discissions.
Here is what Boras apparently said in October. This is new to me, and the first time he has mentioned any supposed actual contract negotiation.
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usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nighte…
“If (Padres owner) Peter Seidler were still alive,” Boras told USA TODAY Sports, “none of this would be happening. Juan would have been with the Padres. He never would have been traded to the Yankees.
“He’d be a Padre today.”
And a Padre for the rest of his career.
“Peter and I were knee-deep in Juan Soto (contract) discussions,” Boras reveals. “Well advanced. His illness really stopped the process because we knew the organization would be different. He wanted to push it through even though he was ill.”
The contract was never consummated.
Seidler died of cancer on Nov. 14, 2023.
“I have a text message from him four days before he died,” Boras said. “‘Be back online real quick.’ ”
Three weeks later, Soto was traded to the Yankees.
“That doesn’t happen if Peter is alive,” Boras said. “Where we were at, Peter would have gotten the deal done. We were very close. Peter was not afraid.”
Never, Boras said, would Seidler have permitted Soto to be traded to the Yankees – or anywhere else.
“Peter was not trading Juan Soto,” Boras said. “No way. He kept saying, ‘I traded for a franchise. I’m not giving him up.’ He couldn’t believe they [the Nationals] traded Juan Soto. He loved Juan.”
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It’s a bit curious Boras did not mention these supposedly advanced negotiations when he talked about his relationship with Seidler previously. A conversation is much different than a negotiation. Wanting to keep Soto is much different than actually getting deep into what it would take to get it done.
In any event, I hadn’t seen the second quote, so there you go. I am skeptical. AJ Preller said the organization never got to talking to hard numbers, and simply had the sense Soto was not going to sign. It could be Seidler was acting on his own. But, since this is the first we have ever heard there were supposedly actual contract discussions, I raise an eyebrow.
The USA Today reporter should have asked what dollar figure would have apparently been enough to convince a generational potential record-setting contract talent to forego free agency, because Boras liked Peter Seidler that much.
Baseballisthebest
He said it twice. Enough for me. Like I said, I believe his take over anyone on the board.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@baseball
He literally did not say “it” twice, “it” being there having been contract negotiations with the Padres. He sort of said it once, and the claim is dubious. The man he supposedly negotiated with is not around to confirm or deny.
But if you believe the Padres were going to spend enough to make Scott Boras advise his superstar very likely record-setting ballplayer to forego a bidding war for his services, I can’t talk you out of it. So waste someone else’s time with what you do or don’t believe.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
As an aside, Boras changing his story about conversations with a dead man, as if to say something bad about the Padre organization in the wake of Seidler’s death, is pretty weird and distasteful. I don’t know why the man feels the need to go there. Usually I think he makes sense, for all his bombast. This just feels gross.
Baseballisthebest
He literally did say it twice. Go back and listen to the 1st interview. Not what that blogger said. What Boras actually said.
Boras said it twice.
Your opinion of what he said is immaterial to me. Boras knows what was happening. He said on two different occasions including at last years Winter Meetings that if Seidler was alive that Soto would have stayed a Padre. You don’t know what was happening because you were not there.
You are the one that keeps responding, so the solution is simple. Don’t respond.
Baseballisthebest
He didn’t change his story.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
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SportsFan0000
Same BS negotiating tactics Scherzer and Boras pulled in Detroit.
That was never going to happen.
Soto, like Scherzer, were both always going to the public free agent auction,
This one belongs to the Reds
This just drives Elly’s future price beyond 26 clubs.
ny papi
I’m all for it as long as they still bring back Alonso, Manaea, Iglesias, Winker, Stanek and maybe another sp but that may be asking for too much
Mr. Pessimist
Sure doesn’t sound like they’ll be able to get both Soto and Alonso. Much rather keep Polar Bear, heart and soul player and make as many upgrades as possible to the pitching staff as of this moment is weaker than in 2024 and was the main reason they had no chance to get by LAD!
Boodge106
I might already have my answer from your screen name, but why would you think they can’t also resign Alonso? They have a ton of payroll left and Cohen is the richest owner in baseball by quite a bit.
VonPurpleHayes
Even the richest owner may want to keep his team profitable. Time will tell.
VonPurpleHayes
They would be absolutely crushed in luxury tax penalties. The Mets would be losing money if they signed all those mentioned. At the same time, I can see Cohen doing it.
Boodge106
Cohen does not care about making a profit. He has said that from the outset and every step along the way. He has so much money that this is just a hobby and a passion project. It’s like taking a less paying job later in life when you still want to work but no longer need the money.
VonPurpleHayes
This is a bit of kayfabe by Cohen. He absolutely cares about making a profit. Despite pretending to be the biggest Mets fan he absolutely wanted to buy the Dodgers first and was rejected. The Mets are his consolation prize and he wants them to make a long-term profit. He may be willing to take a loss here and there to make an overall better product, but he isn’t going to be losing money every year and his “beloved” Mets.
Boodge106
I don’t think you understand. Warren Buffet is GIVING away more than 99% of his wealth. Cohen is not far behind Buffett in terms of wealth. It is 100% reasonable that Cohen does not care about making a profit. What is he going to do with a profit from the baseball team he owns (which he is a diehard fan of) which would not even move the needle in terms of his net worth?
VonPurpleHayes
Such a diehard fan that he looked to the Dodgers first.
I get your point, and it’s true. He won’t be relying on the Mets for income, but he’s a businessman, and he wants his investment to be profitable. He will have more advantages than any other owner in baseball (until the oil barons start to come in), but he’ll still want the Mets to be profitable long-term.
LGM!
So, that’s like $4million after federal, state, city and bureau taxes in NY?
LordD99
Don’t be silly. $4.75 million.
Boodge106
The 1 year history?
stymeedone
That’s the point. The Yankees have made the playoffs regularly, without Soto. They don’t “need” him. The Mets “believe” Soto will take them to the promised land (just as SD did).
rhandome
That’s a lot of paper
Raymond Flagstaff
Hope his sake he is smart enough to convert it into money
Mr. Pessimist
Mets really need to be conscious of breaking up any team cohesion by spending that kind of insane money on Soto at the cost of losing a Pete Alonso who is their heart and soul player. They need to walk away from Soto, let the Yankees break all their bank future on one guy and focus on bringing back Alonso and shoring up the rotation and bullpen which was ultimately the main reason they lost to LAD. Burnes, Fried, retaining Manaea would be great additions. Trading Baty for more assets is another path they need to explore and make happen. Losing Severino and adding Montas weakens the pitching staff even more. Clay Holmes is a solid addition. Most likely a late inning guy given how incredibly shaky Diaz was and will most likely be again.
Bottom line is that the Mets have much more greater needs than going all in on one player, risking cutting out your heart and soul player and neglecting to make serious upgrades to a rather weak and unreliable at best pitching staff!
Raymond Flagstaff
Except hey arent going all in on one player, thats your imagination
VonPurpleHayes
That team cohesion is gone with or without Soto. They had 13 FAs, more than any other team. They aren’t bringing all those guys back. The OMG Grimace Mets are dead and buried. This is a new era. The hope is that it’ll be a better era, but it could be 2023 all over again.
Brad Scott
Soto’s an exceptionally great hitter, and a good – not great – defensive outfielder … with Ohtani at $700MM, Soto isn’t “worth” more than half that (“worth” in quotation marks because no payer in any sport is “worth” anything even remotely close to these kinds of figures).
MLB teams chase after players like ignorant bidders at auctions … increasing the prices for things (players) they want to buy (pay) … smart, serious bidders do their part to keep prices down, not drive them up.
Let the Yankees keep Soto … they’re a good fit, and the Yankees can contend for the title if they figure out they need to add pitching.
The Mets’ top priorities should be adding pitching and keeping Alonso and Bader. The Dodgers should be focused on keeping Buehler and T. Hernandez.
And Posey – with his brains and baseball savvy – is showing exactly why we’d hoped Giants’ ownership (of which he’s part) would make him Prez of Baseball Ops … steering clear of the Soto sweepstakes, and making intelligent, team-strengthening moves à la the brilliant Brian Sabean, architect of the Giants’ three WS championship teams (on all of which, of course, Posey was integral).
WideWorldofSports
Yankees in danger of playing a stupid game and winning a stupid prize. Who cares about winning the soto sweepstakes if it inhibits you from building a team that can win a World Series! 700 million!! Let the mets have him
algionfriddo
Not my money. I can’t afford tickets as is. The billionaires can afford this idiocy because the sucker taxpayers fund the stadiums. Whatever.
Silas
MADNE$$
SupremeZeus
Love it. The Yankees simply can’t afford to lose Soto. Hope it goes to a billion. Showtime’s K is going to look like Decoy negotiated it for him.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Absurd.
Raymond Flagstaff
I find it way more absurd that almost no one here understands
Baseballisthebest
15 years at $46.1 million AAV is $691 million. That is about what I thought would be what he signed for with a small bump of about $633k per year to make both the AAV and total the highest ever.
$730 million over 15 years is $48.667 million AAV. Not that far off.
Yankeesforever
I doubt it is the AAV going up but the years. So 14 years at 50 million a year. 700 million.
So anybody who thinks you can get three studs for 50 million is delusional.
robw5555
If you ever had an owner like Bezos or Musk they could do it. Becuase at that point operating losses dont matter.
stymeedone
Could you see the MLB players react to having to pith in empty pop bottles because ownership has them on a production schedule that doesn’t allow potty breaks?
cgallant
As a Sox fan, I’ll pass. Any player making that much money will prevent their team from building a good team around him without blowing past the luxury tax and paying the subsequent penalty’s. The draft pick penalties are the most detrimental to in the current CBA.
lfcredsox
this is getting gross
Randy Red Sox
red sox have done a great jog driving up the price for Soto. now they need to get back to their usual ways–signing rehab veterans to 1 year deals
Captainmike1
It’s the end of the world as we know it !!!!!!!
stymeedone
Not for my favorite team. And I feel fine!
92jays
800 mil he goes to the jays
Snuffy
The oligarchs are in charge. Of everything. No one should be surprised.
JackStrawb
Except in Green Bay.
baseballfan90
Soto isn’t worth all of that money
Giant Willy
Wouldn’t people be shocked to see the Giants be the secret team in on Soto. Posey is keeping his cards close to his chest it seems.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It honestly wouldn’t be a bad fit and they have the money to do it if they’re inclined enough and they have the pieces/means to become competitive again pretty quickly.
robw5555
Not possible. Also he doesnt like to hit in that stadium. Boras always tries that secret team nonsense. Gets the biddign higher. Uses Heyman as his mouthpiece.
bcjd
Too rich for my taste. Hope the Sox turn and sign Corbin & Freid yesterday.
whyhayzee
Soto is now the Mayor’s Trophy.
letitbelowenstein
Red Sox: Hey, we ‘tried’. We got you Aroldis, though. Full throttle!
robw5555
Heyman has to be in the pocket of Boras. Heyman suggests that Soto won’t necessarily choose the highest bidder. That is a total lie. Once the Yankess lost the WS , Soto said I am available to all teams. As if we didnt know that.
SportsFan0000
Soto did not carry the Yankees to the World Series Title,
And, Soto is not worth more than Judge/
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Wow, so…the two teams in the biggest market are the ones who might land the top free agent?
Who could have predicted that?
Oh, wait…everyone. Literally everyone. Because it’s a TRASH league one step behind WWE.
Rww59
All of this has me wanting to compare Soto vs Vladdy.Limited defensive players.Limited speed but offensively great.If Soto gets 725m how much is Vladdy gonna get next year assuming he matches this year’s numbers
GinaNCRaysFan
I remember when people used to whine that 1 million dollar a year contracts were going to break the game.
Teamspirit
Yankees.
crazybaseballgal
I think he will be and should be a Met. PS I’m not a Mets fan so neutral
wiredrunner
A 41 year old Soto wheels out to the field before the game, unable to stand on his own the last 7 years but still collecting on his 15 year $47 million/yr contract, to the roar of the fans who now pay $700 for bleacher seats
SportsFan0000
Hard Pass on Soto.
Yankees and Mets are playing a rivalry game of “chicken”.
The “winner” of this insane bidding game will end up being the loser
when they need to fill out the rest of their roster
In 4-5 years, ?Buyers remorse” is going to be very real for whoever wins this bidding war.
JackStrawb
Another problem is, no team is going to cut Soto after two years of steep decline. He’ll hang around like Miguel Cabrera for years, spoiling the stew, putting up an 80 OPS+
Acoss1331
Heyman is peddling hard for Boras. This is just Boras trying to drive up the price on Soto.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
If there isn’t much deferred money in the deal, Soto gunna be doing it all himself. His team will have alotta holes in its roster….
Acoss1331
Yankees and Mets have holes to fill. At some point, even the super rich have limits.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Deferment for Investment equals Riches….
SportsFan0000
5-6 years from now when MLB teams start filing for bankruptcy, then you can trace the beginning of financial armageddon for major league baseball to these 500M+ contracts…
MLB finances and dollars in are not unlimited.
At some point, like with Wall St and anything else,
there will be a major financial “correction”
and it could get very brutal and ugly out in MLB land.
Begottenson
I wonder just talking for the price tag what would Yankees fans rather have Willy Adames ,Tyler O’Neil and left over cash to spend , or jaun soto ?
Blue Baron
It’s done. Soto to Mets for $765 million!
Blue Baron
mlb.com/news/juan-soto-agrees-to-contract-with-met…