With Blake Snell and Max Fried off the board, Corbin Burnes stands alone at the top of the pitching market. There was some thought that the former Cy Young winner might sign within a day or two of Fried agreeing to an eight-year term at the Winter Meetings. That hasn’t happened, though it wouldn’t be a surprise if Burnes signs before league activity goes quiet with the holidays next week.
Thus far, the starting pitching class has outperformed expectations. That’s most true of Fried, whom few would’ve foreseen getting eight years or handily beating $200MM at the start of the offseason. With Fried securing $218MM, how much should one project upwards on Burnes? Every free agent projection would’ve had Burnes above Fried when the offseason got underway. Fried money feels like a floor for Burnes, whom MLBTR predicted for seven years and $200MM just six weeks ago.
That said, the Yankees and Mets were two of the most obvious on-paper fits at the start of the offseason. The Yankees can safely be ruled out after the Fried deal. The Mets are still in the market for starting pitching and have the payroll room to lurk as a threat on Burnes even after landing Juan Soto. Yet it seems the Mets’ focus for starting pitching has been on the middle tiers. They added Frankie Montas and converted Clay Holmes to the rotation, preferring more affordable upside plays than a quick strike for any of free agency’s top three arms. They’re reportedly still interested in re-signing Sean Manaea, which would very likely close the door on a Burnes acquisition.
Recent rumors have most prominently connected Burnes to a few teams: the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Giants and (to a lesser extent) the Orioles. Boston is still engaged in the rotation market after landing Garrett Crochet last week. Trading for Crochet leaves them with ample payroll space — the former White Sox staff ace is projected for a meager $2.9MM arbitration salary — but could indicate that the Sox weren’t keen on the climbing cost for free agent starting pitching.
The Giants would benefit greatly from an ace they could plug alongside Logan Webb in the rotation to replace Snell’s production. Yet San Francisco has already made a pair of big investments ($151MM on the Matt Chapman extension, $182MM for Willy Adames) within the past few months. Does ownership have interest in a deal that should easily exceed those already significant contracts?
Depending on how one feels about the Andrés Giménez trade, it’s debatable whether the Blue Jays have made a splash acquisition this offseason. They were heavily involved on Soto and Fried but watched both players head elsewhere. Their front office could be most motivated to land a marquee free agent, but they’re also faced with some payroll questions. Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith wrote last week that the Jays landing Burnes “doesn’t seem especially likely,” suggesting the organization could prefer to focus on a bat as its biggest addition while looking for a cheaper rebound target on the rotation front.
Maybe that opens the opportunity for the incumbent Orioles to make a push. GM Mike Elias has said that the ownership change has allowed the O’s front office to explore the top of the rotation market. (They reportedly were involved on Snell, in particular.) Still, it’s fair to take a “believe it when I see it” approach for Baltimore. The O’s have brought up spending since David Rubenstein purchased the franchise in April. They took on Zach Eflin’s $18MM salary in a deadline trade with the Rays and signed Tyler O’Neill for three years and $49.5MM last week. Yet neither investment is close to what it’d take to retain Burnes.
How will the Burnes situation play out? Will there be a late push by a mystery team to land him, and how much will it take? Is he soon to be the latest beneficiary of a bullish rotation market, or is the number of teams willing to make a $200MM+ investment drying up?
MeowMeow
Trying to manifest Red Sox with my vote.
bigowe
Ha! I did the exact opposite. Picked the Sox so he’ll sign with the Giants!
Cubs TV
I could see it.i think Breslow wants to build the sox as a pitching juggernaut. Breslow was the known guy that was influential in fixing the Cubs pitching infrastructure. I’m sure he’s lurking on Burns.
Yankee Clipper
Got to stay with my original pick, the Giants. $250MM because the Blue Jays will bid it up.
Jean Matrac
Clip, Exactly why I think Jays. I have a feeling he’d like to go to SF, but the Jays are probably willing to go higher than the Giants are comfortable with.
Yankee Clipper
Agreed completely, Jean. It would not surprise me at all if he ends up in Toronto.
rocky7
Hate to wreck your thinking but Toronto would have to bid significantly higher than SF given the disproportionate tax rates on high earners in Canada compared to the US……..even with the ridiculous CA social support system, SF still would win unless Toronto really unloads a fortune….
seamaholic 2
Canada’s highest tax bracket is lower than the U.S.’s (37% vs 33%). The currency is a far bigger issue.
Chicken In Philly?
MLB players are paid in U.S dollars.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
All contracts are agreed to and signed in value to USD and players are taxed based on where the games are played so home games would fall under the Canadian tax codes and away games would fall under the US, state and municipalities.
case
Canada can’t even come close to matching the US when it comes to loopholes for top earners.
Jean Matrac
Tax rates are negated through bonuses. Salary is taxed on the city and state a guy is playing in, but bonuses are taxed on a guy’s residence.
Any guy living in a state with a low income tax, or one without, can offset a lot of tax based on where he plays. That’s why Soto got a $75M bonus, and Snell got a $52M bonus. The negative issue of taxes in states with high rates is overblown.
Dodgerfan75
It’s still his choice. I’d leave 10-20 mill on the table if I was over 200 to play where I want to. 200 is a lot of millions.
2183281
Burnes fits well in SF. His stuff will play well in that park. Not to mention, his cutter/curveball combo is the exact opposite of Webb’s sinker/changeup combo.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Will sign with the Washington Nationals. Replace one Corbin with another on St. Patrick’s Day!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Saint Patrick Corbin who all nationals fans love dearly
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I think Yankees because they have pissed their pants obviously and need to make a statement that they are still the class of baseball
They could sign burnes and still have enough money for a Pete Alonso or a Christian walker or a Alex Bregman
Imagine a super rotation of cole, burnes, fried, Gil, and a decent 5th option in Schmidt or stroman
Ma4170
rodon too
YanksPhan42
I wrote virtually the same. Dodgers have Ohtani, Snell, Yamo and Glasnow. Nobody else can touch that. But if the Yankees had Cole, Fried, Burnes and Rodon they could use Gil, Schmidt or Stroman to trade for a bat.
Yankee Clipper
If you think about it, the Yankees revenue reportedly doubled the Mets! Think about how much money that is….. so, yes, while I agree they can easily afford to do all those things, I don’t think they will be in on any more long-term FAs.
Maybe Christian Walker, but that’s about their limit. I think it’ll be Bellinger, Walker, Nate Lowe, Carlos Santana (with the glove, not the guitar), or possibly one of the Kims….. but it’ll be two of those guys at the most, imho.
SFGRab
Santana the guitarist is a San Francisco guy, he’ll sign with the Giants after Burnes. The Giants won the poll so what is the hold up?
rememberthecoop
Hey Clip, what do you project for Walker? I’m thinking maybe 3/66, does that sound about right to you?;;
KnicksFanCavsFan
How did the Yanks “piss their pants? Yanks agent emotional like the fans are. Most fans would hate Boras and not even want to take his call
I bet Cashman has been in contact when Boras 4 out 5 time since he took the stage with Soto for that conference ball. Yanks knew they had 4 other positions to fill regardless If Soto signed or not. Fried likely would’ve been a Yankee anyway.
That being said, Cole/Fried/Rodon/Gil/Schmidt is a great rotation and likely to be the best in the AL. The beauty of having Gil and Schmidt is they each showed promise of being solid mid to top of rotation pieces that are cost controlled for the next 3-5 years. That helps offset the cost and age of the other 3. It’s best to just spend on FA or trade not involving any mlb SP
to fill the other spots. There are plenty of options on the market for 1b and LF. 3b and 2b? not so much. Jazz can play one of 2b or 3b.
Yankee Clipper
Speaking of 3b and 2b, what about Moncada? If the Yanks are going cheap, why not take a flier on him for IF? A switch-hitter who was once a top prospect, perhaps they could unlock something (or maybe Teacher Man could….).
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yankee
I think I’d rather give the job to Cabrera and see how that goes. They’re are other options tho. I would hop after Arraez and hope his glove isn’t as awful as the metrics think. I get a chubby thinking of a 1, 2, 3 of Jazz, Arraez and Judge. Yanks would be up 1 nothing every time Jazz makes it on base with 0 outs.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
They pissed their pants because it tainted their reputation that their star player left because of money issues
Alex rodriguez was resigned after he opted out, Derek jeter never left, etc with a bunch of Yankees stars
P.S. I don’t count Robinson cano because he was never a superstar like a-rod or Soto and the mariners overpaid a gazillion because we were desperate
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Sad
That’s not “pissing your pants”. I pushed back because the meaning of pyp is that you become desperate and panic. Yanks were looking to add another FOR starter and find replacements at 1b, 2b and LF regardless.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@sad tormented
LOL. Signing Fried was a knee-jerk reaction? So Soto left. It’s a new day and business as usual. ARod was resigned bc he was a damn good player. Cano when he left was on a clear HoF track.
Not a clever name
any moment now it will be announced that the Giants have signed Arson Burnes, only to later be retracted with the news that Corbin Burnes has signed in Toronto.
coloredpaper
Don’t worry. I’m sure that will also be followed by reports that Burnes will be on a flight to Toronto, only to be retracted with the news that Burnes signed with another team (probably the Red Sox)
Goose
I am a little surprised Burnes is still out there. It seems people are more interested in trading than signing. I wonder if his agent is trying to get the Blue Jays and Giants to bid and get the money up. Something tells me he end up with the Giants.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
I think there’s more teams bidding without any one taking the lead. I could see a couple of ‘mystery’ teams being involved, Detroit perhaps and Texas with Heaney, Lorenzen and Scherzer all being FAs
DarrenDreifortsContract
6 years/250 million to the Doyers
MRSHOWTIME
Only if he deferred 2/3 of his money
This one belongs to the Reds
El Segundo A’s
YanksPhan42
If the money isn’t insane, the Yankees should STILL be in on him. Sound nuts? WHY??
Dodgers have Ohtani, Snell, Yamo and Glasnow as their top 4….far and away the best in MLB. Cole, Fried, Burnes and Rodon would be close….and then they have the ability to move either Gil, Schmidt or Stroman for bats.
Wire to wire 2024
Scary stuff, so many teams would be happy to have even one or two pitchers of that caliber
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yanks
Why not just keep it Cole, Fried, Rodon, Gil and Schmidt and break up that $250 by getting Belli @ 1b (or Santana), Bregman @ 3b and Profar @ LF and maybe use Schmidt to try and acquire Arraez @ 2b and pass on Bergman? Maybe sign another SP setting man for depth. I just think that when the Yanks graduate a rookie and they succeed in their rookie season, it makes sense to keep them and offset the cost of signing older and expensive FA, especially SP.
AndyWarpath
Burnes would be a massive upgrade over what effectively was a Keaton Winn + Blake Snell spot in the rotation last year in San Francisco.
I’m curious the over/under on the Giants winning 86 games next year if they sign Burnes.
seamaholic 2
Snell was the best pitcher in baseball after he returned.
AndyWarpath
Yes. And Keaton Winn (who was basically tasked with filling the slot while Snell was down) was one of the worst. All in all, you’ve got a good not great 30 start sample.
tikiagedola
Imagine if the Yankees signed him. We would have the best rotation in history. Along with the best hitter and fans
kellin
And you still wouldn’t be able to beat the Dodgers.
Fat Lever
Please stop. Take away one ugly defensive inning and it’s a different series.
Joe It All
Best rotation in history is a stretch. It would be a great rotation but I’m still taking Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz in Atlanta. You don’t see many rotations with three hall of famers.
vaadu
’71 O’s with four 20 game winners was also no slouch
Jackalopal
My man’s goin to oakland
Ducey
how is where your boyfriend is going relevant?
SFGRab
He’s gonna be really lonely.
Silver Boot Series Enjoyer
Royals make sense to me.
swanhenge
Hot take incoming…
Whoever offers the most. He’ll worry about championships after he puts ink to paper. Personally, I think his quickest route to a ring is with Boston.
tikiagedola
Sorry,but there is no santa clause. No one cares about winning more than money.(Neither do you, and that is only natural)
The_Porcupine
I dont think we will have answer until sasaki signs. Why sign someone for for 250 million, whhen you can sign someone with more upside (younger than burnes, who is trending down). I dont think the orioles bring burnes back. I think he goes to the giants
atuck_sfg
Sasaki won’t sign until after January 15, that’s a looooong time to wait haha
seamaholic 2
He won’t put ink to paper until then but all but 2 or 3 teams will know they’re out of it soon, probably already, and it wouldn’t shock me if it’s all but one.
Rsox
Sasaki literally has no bearing on Burnes’ market because any team that signs Burnes can easily afford Sasaki. Sasaki’s market is different because he literally is affordable for every single team
JoeBrady
Of course it affects his market. If the RS sign Sasaki, they won’t be signing Burnes. They might just keep the money, or sign more hitting, or extend some players, or sign 2-3 RPs, but I doubt they will spend $200M+ for another SP at that point.
good vibes only
Sasaki has absolutely zero impact on Burnes market.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Orioles.
…please
brucenewton
Toronto
davemlaw
If the feeling were mutual Burnes would be a Giant today.
Problem is Roki Sasaki. He’s holding up the starter market now. It’s not a forgone conclusion He’s a Dodger. Until he signs after January 15 the starter market won’t hardly move.
swanhenge
I would disagree simply because Roki’s money isn’t going to affect any team’s efforts to get him or Burnes.
SF or anyone else can/will still go hard for Burnes and easily have capital to go after Roki. Not to mention a stronger staff to join.
WadeBoggsWildRide
If the Dodgers sign him heads would literally explode in the comments section here.
SadMsFan
If Burnes doesn’t go to the Yankees, Mets or Dodgers, I will be extremely shocked. It’s illogical to sign with anyone else-the Mets are still kinda lol, but the Dodgers and the Yankees are winners. All the rest of the teams out there, especially the Mariners, are losers. #FireDipoto #FireHollander #StantonSellTheTeamToSomeoneWhoCaresAboutWinning
seamaholic 2
Players care about going to perennial winning teams a LOT less than fans like you imagine.
They mainly go to the rich teams because the rich teams offer the most money — on and off the field — and that’s why those teams are good. Not the other way around.
Rsox
Except that Yes, the Dodgers won the World Series last season but the Yankees haven’t won since ’09 and the Mets since 1986. There is nothing that guarantees any of them making it to the World Series as the last team to win it in back-to-back years was the ’98-00 Yankees, and that was back when their payroll was higher than the value of most teams
Bird4Life
Just a hunch but I highly doubt he signs with Toronto. I could see him taking a deal similar to Snell’s last year before taking a long term deal as far as away as possible from his home. He has 3 kids under the age of 4. Everything is in effort to drive up the price on SF. The longer this drags out, the better the chance Orioles or Red Sox have. Their teams will be competitive but they will also need to offer opt outs. O’s already did this with O’Neil
hetzel01
He signs when he gets the first $250 mil offer.
angelstew43
He’s a So Cal guy, so I’m thinking Angels or Dodgers if the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki.
ATinz
He’s a Central Cal guy. He grew up in Bakersfield. Played at Northwest Baseball and Centennial High School with my son. Of course he was a lot better than my son at baseball, and even back then as a teenager he stood out. He’ll play where he gets the most money and years.
charlien
I know they traded for Garret laser week from the White Sox but the Red Sox need another starting Pitcher so I think The Red Sox will sign him
King Floch
I want him to return to Baltimore but I think he wants to be out west, closer to his family, which I can’t really fault him for, so with the Dodgers seemingly out on him, I’ll say the Giants end up getting him.
scruffmcgruff
So far in my opinion, my O’s offseason has been a failure. You essentially replace Anthony Santander who has played 150+ games each of the past 3 seasons with a guy in Tyler O’ Neill who has never played that many games in a single season in his career. And apart from that you brought in a backup catcher which is a move you needed to do so thats a push in that department. But you lost your best pitcher to free agency in Burnes, if you don’t resign him or make a move for another ace level pitcher (i.e. Cease) than you have completely wasted your window of opportunity to compete.
Now if they both sign Burnes and get Cease, I’ll be over the moon. But until I see that, I’ll believe the only thing thats changed in this organization in the past couple decades is their ability to draft and develop players.
mad1
That’s easy. The highest bidder
Dmac13
I can see burnes signing a short term deal kind of what snell did. I’d say 2 years 55 million with option to opt or extend. He should go back to Baltimore. They are young and have potential.. if they have a ace and can fill out their rotation with decent starters and their bullpen is what it was 2 years ago they might be able to make a push
Reyday
No way Burnes signs a short deal for basically the same AAV Fried got. He’d get at least 30+MM prob closer to 35MM if it’s a 2 year deal and an opt out after first year, my guess.
JoeBrady
Burnes is not settling for a 2-year contract. No way.
whosehighpitch
Baltimore is a joke of a franchise. They should have had a long term deal ready to go the minute they traded for him and if he said now then it’s on Burnes. I’m so tired of the Baltimore Franchise as a whole no matter who the owner is.
ohyeadam
Giants or Angels imo. 8/240
DirtyWater04
Come on Red Sox, please get this done.
Kk 4
Unexpectedly bad time to be Corbin Burnes. Major spenders (Yankees, Dodgers, Mets) all seem to be out after acquiring alternative options. Only players left (Red Sox, Orioles, Giants) seem relatively unmotivated to meet his asking price. Sasaki throwing an additional wrench into the market. Even the Jays who are probably the least desirable option from his perspective but have the money seem disinterested. Would not have foreseen this entering the off season. I wonder if he’ll be a high AAV short term/opt out guy and try again in a fresh market.
all in the suit that you wear
His asking price is probably insane right now after Fried got the largest contract ever for a LHP. It wouldn’t surprise me if Boras wants to set a new record for a pitcher.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@all-in
That’s for a LH pitcher. The record for a righty is like $45 mil. He’s not coming close to that.
all in the suit that you wear
What is the record for total contract value for a pitcher? I think Burnes may break that record. Fried just set the contract record for a LHP. Fried signed a 8 year/$218M deal which beat David Price’s 7 year/$217M deal. Fried did not break the AAV record for a LHP, but he broke the total contract value record for a LHP.
Doug
Poor Crochet, making a “meager” $2.9 million next year!
AL B DAMNED
AA Will sign Burnes. Passed on Fried due to past injuries and missed playing time! SHOCKER!
matt11209
I think the Yankees should sign Burnes. This will give the Yanks the absolute best rotation in the majors and free up Gil and/or Schmidt to trade for a power hitter.
thickiedon
Cubs, if they trade Bellinger.
norcalblue
Bakersfield boy. Wants to be in CA. Giants get him.
John Bird
Heard on KNBR that there was a since deleted post on Burnes Instagram account of the Golden Gate Bridge with a caption “Starting to feel like home”. Haven’t been able to verify that. Apparently it got deleted pretty quickly.
Rsox
Boston needs this move because there isn’t anything close to Burnes available next winter
John Bird
O’s just signed Sugano so likely out on Burnes
DarkSide830
Boston, Muh-say-chu-bates
gorav114
I think the Orioles are gonna make serious offers (200 mil plus) but lose out
Human Being
Pirates $300MM or more. 6.64% agree.
RickEO
If Redsox sign him they will have best rotation in baseball