Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is eligible for free agency after the 2025 season, and his future is undoubtedly the biggest looming question hanging over the Blue Jays as they prepare for what might be their final year of control over the All-Star first baseman. GM Ross Atkins said at season’s end that the Jays would be looking to start extension talks this winter, and Guerrero himself confirmed these negotiations were taking place in a recent interview with Abriendo Sports (hat tip to Z101’s Hector Gomez and Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith).
Guerrero reiterated that he has interest in staying in Toronto, and is “ready to go” in signing an extension if the Jays meet his asking price. However, “what they offered me is not even close to what I’m looking for,” Guerrero said, noting that Toronto’s most recent offer was worth around $340MM. Notably, this offer came after Juan Soto signed his 15-year, $765MM deal with the Mets, and completely reset the market for superstar players.
Only limited time may be available to close the gap that exists between the two sides, as Guerrero said that he has let the front office know that he will cease negotiations after the first full day of the Jays’ Spring Training camp. It is a bit of an unusual self-imposed deadline date, as most players set Opening Day as their unofficial endpoint for reaching an extension. Obviously an extension can happen at any point before a player enters free agency, yet players generally prefer to keep focused only on baseball once the season begins, and thus contract talks are usually limited to the offseason.
It isn’t uncommon for some deals, of course, to be announced a few days or weeks into April, if talks are on the proverbial five-yard line by Opening Day and just a few final details needed to be confirmed. Likewise, Guerrero probably isn’t going to end all talks in late February if he and the Jays have worked out most aspects of a very lucrative (and therefore rather complex) extension. That said, reducing the remaining negotiation window to roughly two months is a pretty public way of increasing the pressure on Toronto’s front office.
This is purely speculation on my part, but the earlier “deadline” could also be Guerrero’s way of leaving the door open for a trade. If an extension can’t be worked out before Spring Training properly begins and the Blue Jays feel Guerrero won’t re-sign next winter, the Jays could pivot and try to trade Guerrero for some longer-term assets prior to Opening Day. To be clear, if Toronto spends the rest of its offseason adding talent to take another run at contention in 2025, it would seem far more likely that the Jays just keep Guerrero to keep their roster as strong as possible in what might be something of a final run for the Guerrero/Bo Bichette core.
The length of the $340MM offer wasn’t specified, but a ten-year, $340MM pact produces “only” an average annual value of $34MM per season, which ranks tied for the 15th-highest AAV in baseball history. Nine years and $340MM is a $37.77MM AAV that ranks as the seventh-highest all-time, topped only by the most recent deals signed by Soto, Shohei Ohtani, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Zack Wheeler, and Aaron Judge. An eight-year, $340MM pact equals $42.5MM in AAV, putting Guerrero behind only Soto, Ohtani, Scherzer, and Verlander.
Guerrero doesn’t turn 26 until March, however, so an eight-year deal only runs through his age-33 season. Even a ten-year deal brings Guerrero through just his age-35 campaign, and a longer-term deal in the $340MM range only lowers the AAV to an even greater extent. It isn’t necessarily clear what Guerrero is looking for in terms of contract length, but in terms of pure dollars, it is easy to see why he would balk at an offer worth slightly more than half of what Soto (who is also entering his age-26 season) received from New York.
From the Blue Jays’ perspective, the gap in production between Soto and Guerrero would justify a gap in earnings, though it isn’t quite as large a divide as one might imagine. Soto’s huge 2024 campaign with the Yankees boosted his asking price through the ceiling, but looking just at his first six MLB seasons, Soto hit .284/.421/.524 with 160 home runs in 3375 plate appearances, with a 154 wRC+ and 28.2 fWAR.
Through his first six MLB seasons, Guerrero has hit .288/.363/.500 in 3540 PA, with the exact same total of 160 homers, and a 137 wRC+ and 17 fWAR. For both players, their value is largely derived from their bat, as public defensive and baserunning metrics paint Guerrero and Soto as well below average in both departments.
The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal recently discussed what it might take to extend Guerrero, and floated the idea of a contract of somewhere between $500MM-$600MM. Assuming no deferred money would be involved, this would make Guerrero the second-highest paid player in baseball history, behind only Soto. “Excessive as it might sound to the average fan…keep in mind, the Jays would need to pay a premium for preventing Guerrero from testing the market. And if they lose him, their already disgruntled fan base might revolt,” Rosenthal writes.
The latter point is another over-arching element of the Guerrero talks, as perhaps no executives in baseball are on as much of a hot seat as Atkins and team president Mark Shapiro. While the Blue Jays came out of a rebuild to reach the playoffs in 2020, 2022, 2023, the club didn’t win even a single game during those trips to the postseason, and Toronto’s nosedive to a 74-88 record in 2024 could be a sign that the Jays’ competitive window could already be closed.
Toronto’s ardent pursuits of both Ohtani last offseason and Soto this winter indicated that ownership was prepared to go the distance in bidding on top-flight talent, though it remains to be seen if the Jays view Guerrero quite in the same tier those other two superstars. It was just a year ago that Guerrero was coming off an underwhelming 118 wRC+ in 2023, and there were questions about whether Guerrero was even worth any kind of long-term investment. For comparison’s sake, Soto’s “worst” full season as calculated by wRC+ was his 2019 campaign, when he posted a 143 wRC+ in 659 PA while also catching fire in the postseason to help the Nationals win the World Series.
Viewing Guerrero in relation to Soto specifically is a comp that Guerrero’s reps at the Prime Agency would likely welcome, as it keeps Guerrero even subconsciously linked to Soto’s elite salary tier. Rafael Devers’ ten-year, $313.5MM extension with the Red Sox is also frequently mentioned as a Guerrero comp, as Devers was also entering his age-26 season. Guerrero has some statistical edge (Devers had a 123 wRC+ in his first six seasons prior to his extension) and thus an argument to earn more than Devers got from Boston, but perhaps the Blue Jays’ $340MM-ish number reflects the idea of Guerrero as only slightly better than Devers.
It could also be, of course, that the Jays are willing to pay well above $340MM, but offered that figure as an early gauge on Guerrero’s asking price in the wake of Soto’s contract. Plenty of time still exists for the two sides to eventually match up on an acceptable extension, and it could be that Guerrero backs off his early-spring deadline if some progress has been made, even if a new deal isn’t exactly imminent.
Guyerbassist
Lol this will be fun
towinagain
Padres and Jays make a fine trade partner.
Cronenworth, Salas, Bateman, Cruz, Fountain for Bichette and Guerrero.
Or some other combo.
Both teams match up.
Ragnarok
Any team with top prospects matches up with the Jays if they want to deal Vladdy.
That’ll be the official start of a rebuild.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I can’t think of a time where a team trades an absolute top prospect for a rental, if the padres trade salas (which they shouldn’t they got no catchers) it would be for a controllable star
Joe says...
Mariners Fan the first one off the top of my head is Aroldis Chapman for Gleyber Torres and that was a deadline deal.
BronxBombers23
15/570 for fatty doo doo
el_chapo_
Guy is completely delusional. I wouldn’t give him more than 5 150. He’s a fat unathletic nepo baby. If his name was Jon smith you’d compare him to Pete Alonso.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Vladdy is gonna repeat the prince fielder situation as a savant hitter but fat and get 9 years 275 mil
Maybe it gets as high as 350 but then that’s Bryce Harper and mookie betts money
tikiagedola
The hate for kids of rich parents is funny. People just want rich people to not have kids
FletcherFan
I’d pay him in philly cheesesteaks
tikiagedola
Bye overrated guy!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I would rather have prime Guerrero sr instead of prime jr
Acoss1331
He’s going into his age 26 season, and he’s coming off a really good year at the plate, and he’s already putting up a price point for what he wants. Unless Toronto gives him what he wants, he’s walking next offseason and chasing the biggest bag possible. If he puts up another season, or better, in 2025 he’s gone.
BITA
He’s from Canada. The Jays have money. I think he shops around but he ends up back with the Jays.
wreckage
He’s from Quebec, which technically is Canada, a lot from there consider themselves different than Canadian. Toronto doesn’t consider themselves Quebecois by any means. He lived in Montreal until he was like 4. It plays no part in his decision making. He will take the most money offered.
BITA
I think the Jays will offer him the most money. And I am sure it will be a factor in his decision making. If 2 teams offer the same he will stay with the Jays.
Ragnarok
“He’s from Canada”
His dad was just playing baseball up there at the time. He’s fully Dominican. Won’t hold any weight.
BITA
He’s spent a lot of time in Canada before he was a big leaguer and now the last few years when he was a big leaguer
Yeah I think it matters. Not just to him but to the Jays.
wreckage
@Ragnarok, he was technically born in Canada (Montreal), and lived there until he was 4-5 years old. Then has played there for the past 6 years. And has spent much of his teenage years in both the US and DR. He is as much Dominican as he is American and Canadian. Nationality shouldn’t play a role in his decision. He will take what makes him most comfortable, be it money or familiarity of his upbringing. But to say he is “fully Domincan” is a lie. Unless you know him personally you can’t comment on what he considers hit home Nation.
tikiagedola
No one wants to play in Canada
LordD99
He’s going to get less than he thinks on the open market.
unpaidobserver
Yes but more than he’s so far been offered…
BITA
It’s the age. He’s so young like Soto. He’s going to get a huge contract.
jdgoat
It’s probably an unpopular opinion but the best thing we can do is trade him right now. He’s only had 2 elite seasons. I expect this walk year to also be elite, but overpaying for a first baseman is not a great idea. The only way they’d be competitive down the road is if ownership commits to being a luxury tax team.
georgebell 2
They need to rebuild and hire people who can draft.
Rsox
No, at this point that is probably the smart play. Toronto isn’t going to $500+ million and could add 3 or players/prospects in a trade and then sign Alonso for half of what Toronto’s last offer to Guerrero was
Mynameisnoname
That’s spot on. For the sake of keeping the homegrown superstar, offer 500/12.
Similar to the Nats trying to extend Soto, if he turns down the one uniform for life offer you have to try and convert this into an opportunity for controllable dynamic talent.
It’s only December but TOR does not seem positioned well within the AL East this year. There’s little point in diminishing the return by waiting until late July or just grabbing a QO comp pick- make the big offer then trade him as soon as possible if he turns it down to maximize the return value.
algionfriddo
Fat does not age well.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Maybe he should go to Arizona. Sweat off some of that fat and eat a lot of salads.
rmoody100
You realize you are complaining about a 26 year old only having 2 elite seasons? If you want someone good now you pay him in his prime right now. Or you just curl into a ball if your team sucks and let him leave. Jays need to do something and letting their only star walk would be ugly.
Al Hirschen
Mets
padam
Yeah, I think that’ll be the case. Cohen is going to see the lefty/righty combo back to back and wonder what that’ll do. I’m sure it’s one of the reasons they haven’t moved forward with Alonso. Stearns will fill the gap for a year, even if it’s with Vientos, just to give the boss what he will want.
Rollie's Mustache
Crazy to think the Vlad/Bo era in Toronto might be coming to a close without winning a single postseason game.
Shapiro and Atkins were given team record payrolls and tremendous buy-in from Rogers (the Dunedin complex and ballpark renos were massive investments) and still couldn’t field a winner. The “waves of talent” from the farm system has yet to show up 10 years later. All the managers and coaches they’ve assembled have fallen short of expectations.
All of this is to say sure, extend Guerrero. He’s a great player. But keeping him doesn’t change the fact that the trajectory of the franchise is not very promising.
Rsox
Angels had Trout/Ohtani for 6 years and never even played a postseason game, at least they got farther than that
Rollie's Mustache
While that’s very true, being better than one of the worst run orgs in baseball probably isn’t helping Jays fans sleep at night.
hoof hearted
Rollie- M’s fan might disagree on who has the worst owner/FO.
Mynameisnoname
How is that even possible? Not only that, they were hardly competitive. At least you wouldn’t have to jump too far to join the Dodgers bandwagon- something I’m typically against, but poor Angel fans man!
cooperhill
Don’t forget Biggio, who set a major league record for spending the most time on an MLB roster because of his name!
fairyland
I thought that record would go to either Dale Berra or Billy Ripken. There are probably others but I’m not that well versed on relatives in baseball.
tikiagedola
Under deserving players don’t have 2+ wAr years
Catch tha Taste
Oh, and in this time Alex Anthropolis won a world series with another team and signed Acuna to a cheep deal
Captain K-Midd
OOoooOOOOooOOO he set a deadline ohhhh boy guy thinks he’s his dad or something. Sure buddy, set deadlines all you want, you’re still under contract.
Senioreditor
Seriously???? That’s how you manage a franchise generational talent by telling him he’s under contract? Toronto is a bad move away from oblivion for a decade. I’d take the warning to heart and figure out plan B quickly or the front office will be toast.
BKS1110
Dude is a chunky first baseman who has averaged about 4 WAR per season over the last four years, and is just one year removed from posting just 1.3, and he thinks Soto has reset his market? And shame on MLBTR for acting like he’s also a “superstar.” Zero MVP awards, just 1 Top 5 MVP finish, less than 1/3rd the way to a HoF WAR total, virtually no defensive value, one season of 35+ HR, middling walk rate. Come on.
Wrian Washman
7 or 8 years at 200-250M I don’t know where fat boy and his agent are getting 300+ from unless he literally wins AL MVP this season.
Senioreditor
True and someone not named Toronto will pay 400+ for that. Reality hits hard quickly and Toronto better act appropriately or they’ll be looking up for a long time.
BITA
If he averaged 4 WAR no reason to mention the 1 bad season because it’s factored in the average.
Mynameisnoname
It’s securing his peak years as a 26 year old that is just so rare and will be leveraged in total contract value.
He has been marketable since being baseballs top prospect, making hitting .400 seem easy in the upper minors as a teenager.
He has a 6.3 and a 5.3 season already and everything seemed to click last year. Of course bat only contracts are nail biters but his savant page backs up his talent and again he’ll sell jerseys being a second generation star. I’d offer him roughly $500 if I was TOR- his value to them is more than just the on field product and if he says no, flip him immediately.
Rollie's Mustache
While I agree the Soto comps are silly, Francisco Lindor had a career 115 OPS+, only 1 top-5 MVP finish, and averaged just 4.4 bWAR before signing for $341MM with the Mets.
He plays a different position obviously, but let’s not kid ourselves. Players of Lindor and Vladdy’s caliber get PAID.
cooperhill
Danger, Will Robinson! With lack of personal conditioning, he will be out of the league in 5 years ! Hey, hey, hey,! Look at your father, he is still in better shape!
tikiagedola
The odds are 50/50 that Torkelson will be a better than this guy in 5 years. Trade him for three prospects
SHARKmapiro
He wants the same amount as Soto but hasn’t won a single postseason game and produced 11 fwar less than Soto over the same time period.
Let’s end the speculation, he’s hitting the market no matter what and a year from now still won’t get the dough he’s apparently asking for unless he has his best year to date in 25.
Old York
I’d rather wait for Munetaka Murakami in 2026.
Jays should trade him now to cash in and replenish the farm system.
Tokyo
This guy will be lucky to get even Alonso like money. DH/1B type are worth 15 million a year at most. Trade him and sign JD Martinez to DH.
fairyland
Due to his ego, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him wanting a bigger than Soto contract…and then him flaming out at around 30 like Prince Fielder.
HumbleO'sFanWhoHatesYourFace
8/340 is probably the top of the free agent market for him. He’s letting TOR know they will have to overpay for his services. Atkins/Shapiro made TOR the 2nd worse free agent destination. The Pirates will win more games this year.
billysbballz
So obviously Vlad Dracula agent is informing Toronto that it will take 10years at 500 million to sign him right now and if they don’t they may as well trade him right now. This sounds allot like Soto last year so I’m guessing Vlad will now be dealt before spring training and I’ll bet money it’s to the Mets! Alonso will than sign in Toronto. You heard it hear first. Mets will go into spring training with Soto and Vlad!
tikiagedola
No one wants to play in Canada
Casor_Greener
The more I see these articles and player salaries the more I respect teams like my Astros who refuse to give these long term bs contracts. Let’s not forget, with the exception of Cole, everyone they let go ended up being overpaid and not worth their next contract.
No way I’d pay this dude $340M. The article says the gap between he and Soto “is not quite as large as you’d imagine” yet then goes on to point out that Soto had 28fwar over his first 6 seasons vs 17 fWAR for Vlad Jr. That’s only 3fwar more than half of Soto’s production. Coupled with the fact he is larger player, already relegated to 1b only, and extremely less likely to age well he shouldn’t be “understandbly balking” at $340M dollars.
Before anyone comes on here and asks “why do you care what owners pay, it’s not your money?” let me explain – MOST owners are less likely to hand out more contracts when they are already overpaying someone else so I’d rather my team not hand out long term poor contracts.
Good luck to whomever overpays this guy. Most likely only Going to get 3-4 great seasons.
Oldguy58
Give him 10 years $340 million and an endless supply of Twinkies
goob
Hey, hands off the Twins. They’ve got nobody to spare as it is.
ArianaGrandSlam
His biggest strength is that he’s not as good looking as Wander Franco so that you have less worry about him being in trouble with the minors.
Casor_Greener
Pretty cold blooded there brother…
sweetg
They could have had him for half of this two years ago. Then Atkins decided to let Scott Boras use jays to raise Ohtani/Soto.price.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Congratulations on your brilliant hindsight.
Sagacity
Think about this Red Sox fans. Devers got way too much money because he’s from the Dominican Republic which has a huge fan base in Boston and he was scouted by one of Theo’s guys when he was 14. Soto is a Dominican Republic native and got an offer of $700 Million which seemed to be an intention low-ball but a magnanimous gesture on the part of the Red Sox. Now Vlad Jr., another Dominican Republic native, is an uncertainty for signing in Toronto.
The Boston brain trust does so many really ridiculous things that my latest fear is that Boston will trade Casas, Duran and Campbell to Toronto for Vlad Jr. and then sign him to a 10-year $500 Million contract or even a 12 year $600 Million contract. The $50Million AAV would keep the payroll under the Cap and Boston would have the right-handed power bat they need and their two star players would be Dominican. Anthony gets promoted to play RF, Abreu moves to LF and Rafaela plays CF.. Yoshida is the DH with Story at SS and Grissom at 2B. Then they sign Buehler and everyone is happy.
Now is this realistic? Absolutely not. Is it a smart business move? Absolutely not. Is it consistent with the bizarre moves these owners have made in recent years? ABSOLUTELY!!! It wouldn’t be smart, it would probably keep Cora here even longer and both wide bodied players will probably only be good to 32 years old but seeing them back to back would bring back memories of Papi and Manny.
Just a fun thought. Not going to happen but if it does, you heard it here first !!! hahaha
DS1
No one player is truly worth this crazy contract. I hope these teams choke on these contracts.
dugmet
Toronto will go to 10/$450m but he will walk thinking he can get 12 -15 years.
tikiagedola
Dude thought he should have won the MVP over ohtani a few years ago. Vlad has obviously never seen his fangraphs page, and doesn’t understand value
bucsfan0004
Yea, the MVP had to go to Ohtani. He batted .257 and struck out 189 times and clogged up the DH so that the injury-prone, future HOF player couldnt ever have a day to DH. And when he pitched the whole rotation had to be adjusted to cater to him. But he hit a bunch of HRs and struck out a bunch of Mariners and A’s. Give him the MVP
brucenewton
He gone.
dankyank
I wasn’t a fan of the Soto deal and Guerrero Jr. is an equally subpar defender at an even more stationary position. He’s also a far worse baserunner.
He must be in a competition with Alonso to see who can most egregiously overestimate their market because even $340 million is a waste of money for a player with his limited skillset and track record.
bucsfan0004
Ok, we all knew… everyone posting on here and reading this… we all knew Soto was going to get a contract that would obliterate every other contract.
What have the Jays front office been doing all this time? Didnt they realize they had someone roughly the same age with roughly the same skill-set on their team? And Vlad was putting up his stats on a pathetic offense while Soto got to bat in front of Judge. Shouldn’t they have gotten in front of this and signed Vlad months and months ago if they wanted to keep him? I’m sure he would have jumped at, idk… 13/400. But now Vlad probably thinks he’s worth at least 2/3rds of what Soto got, so there’s $500M+ right there. *smh*