The Tigers announced Friday that they’ve signed free agent infielder Gleyber Torres to a one-year, $15MM contract. Torres, an Octagon client, is expected to be Detroit’s regular second baseman in the upcoming season. The Tigers, one of the rare teams to publicly disclose contract terms themselves, added that Torres’ contract has a one-time, $500K assignment bonus (in the event that he’s traded to another club).
Torres, who turned 28 earlier this month, has spent his entire big league career to date in Yankee pinstripes. The once-vaunted top prospect looked like a breakout star in 2019 when he socked 38 home runs in just 144 games, but Torres wound up settling in as a solid regular at second base rather than the superstar shortstop he appeared to be on the cusp of becoming in ’19. Since that stellar 2019 campaign — which came in MLB’s juiced-ball season — Torres has slashed .261/.332/.411. That’s about 9% better than average, by measure of wRC+ (which weights for home park and league run-scoring environment in a given season).
The 2024 season was shaping up to be a career-worst showing for Torres at the halfway point. Through his first 80 games, he turned in an anemic .215/.294/.333 slash (81 wRC+) with a 23.9% strikeout rate that was well north of the 19.3% mark he’d posted over the prior five seasons. Torres righted the ship in late June, however, and rebounding to the tune of a .298/.365/.421 slash with a much-improved 17.3% strikeout rate down the stretch.
It’s perhaps possible that Torres could’ve landed a multi-year deal at a lower rate, but given his age and track record, it’s not a shock to see him take a pure one-year pillow deal. MLBTR predicted back in November that he’d ink a two-year deal with an opt-out, as the priority for him always seemed likely to be getting back to the market next winter. The demand seemingly wasn’t there to push to that range, however, and Torres will head to Comerica Park as an eminently reasonable one-year roll of the proverbial dice. With a strong enough showing, he’ll have the added benefit of being a potential qualifying offer candidate for the Tigers next offseason.
Torres steps into a Detroit infield that’s lacking in any real certainty. Colt Keith, who hit .285/.330/.429 in 445 plate appearances after a terrible start to his rookie season, appears to be the only other infield lock. He played second base in 2024 but has experience at the hot corner as well. Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free Press writes, however, that the organization prefers not to play Keith at third due to some injury concern regarding his right shoulder. Keith has taken reps at first base, and while he’s yet to play there in a professional game, he could get further work there this spring in the event of a potential position shift.
Meanwhile, Javier Baez is signed for three more seasons at $24MM per year, but he’s played himself out of a starting role and will eventually be a release candidate if he can’t rebound to at least some extent (though the Tigers have suggested this winter that they still see a role for Baez in ’25). Former top pick Spencer Torkelson belted 32 homers in 2023 but flailed through an ugly 2024 campaign and has yet to establish himself as a viable big league regular. Trey Sweeney showed a big league-ready glove at shortstop but didn’t hit in 36 big league games during last year’s second-half debut. Top prospect Jace Jung drew heaps of walks (16%) in 94 plate appearances late last season but is probably ticketed for Triple-A work or (speculatively speaking) some exposure to left field. Matt Vierling could factor in at the hot corner as well, though he can play in the outfield, too.
The glut of infield options, even with many of them unproven, gives the Tigers some flexibility with regard to how they handle the rest of the offseason. Young players like Sweeney and particularly Jung would command considerable trade interest. Torkelson stands as a viable change-of-scenery candidate, especially if the Tigers indeed plan to give Keith a prominent role at first base. Torkelson could still factor into the first base/DH mix, but he’s hardly a lock to do so after hitting .221/.300/.392 through his first 361 big league games.
The Tigers have been connected to free agent third baseman Alex Bregman, though that’d be a considerably larger signing than they’ve made at any point under current president of baseball operations Scott Harris. Some of the link there is surely due to the presence of former Astros skipper A.J. Hinch in the Detroit dugout. Petzold reported earlier in the week that Bregman has become more of a priority for the Tigers as the offseason has worn on, but the addition of Torres clouds the infield mix a bit more. A fit could still come together, particularly if the Tigers are keen on moving someone like Jung in a deal for rotation help.
In terms of payroll, there’s no reason to think the Tigers can’t make another prominent addition after adding Torres. They entered the offseason with only Baez, Keith and Kenta Maeda on guaranteed deals for the upcoming season. Torres and fellow free agent pickup Alex Cobb have pushed the team to a projected a $109MM payroll, per RosterResource’s projections. That’s nowhere near the team’s franchise-record $200MM payroll from 2017. And while that level of spending came under the ownership of the late Mike Ilitch, even Ilitch’s son, Chris, has authorized payrolls as high as $135MM in recent seasons (2022).
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported that Torres had agreed to a deal with the Tigers. ESPN’s Jesse Rogers first reported the terms and that Torres was expected to be the Tigers’ starting second baseman.
murphy8
Interesting, they’ve gotta be out on Bregman now tho
tigerdoc616
Maybe. This could be the pivot from Bregman. But Torres hasn’t played 3B and that is a clear need for the team. So if they are moving on from Bregman it means Torres will play 3B or they move someone else to 3B from the IF like Keith, Baez/Sweeney.
OR this could be a depth signing although Torres is more than just depth and the Tigers are still in on Bregman. My guess is this is the pivot but time, and contract terms, will tell.
Motor City Beach Bum
Keith was originally a 3B with a gun for an arm, until he hurt his arm. Maybe it has healed? Or maybe this means Tork is out or going to share DH duties with Keith to 1B? There has been talk in the past about Keith going to the OF as well.
Where will he play and what happens with Jung, Keith and Tork are the questions come to mind for me.
DFSDaddy
Keith moving to 3B and Jung going back to AAA, Gleyber will play 2nd most likely out on Breg now
Phree4u
They could easily release Baez, his money is better spent for him to not take the field.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
With 3 years/$73M left? I just don’t see them doing that.
Now, if he was a football coach… sure.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Not with 70+ million still attached
Dickiesox
The money is spent either way. Why make it worse by potentially crippling the team and taking up a spot on the roster when, at the very least, they could field a replacement level player.
jammin464_
After Baez’ offseason surgery, count on the Tigers to AT LEAST bring him to spring training and see if he has any kind of offensive rebound before releasing him. I would be surprised if they don’t give him a good month or so of regular season playing time in ’25 to test him….
DFSDaddy
Baez will have a chance to prove himself they said but if he doesn’t put up serviceable number they are in fact going to cut him
McGrundle
I wish someone would pay me to not do my job!
energel
why did baez have to be good only for the cubs and terrorize the buccos then leave and immediately suck
GarryHarris
The tigers will give Javier Baez and Kenta Maeda every chance to succeed. There’s no super option preventing it.
Wouldn’t it be a miracle if Baez, Maeda and Gleyber Torres have comeback performances and the Tigers can trade them mid season? One can hope.
Fernando P
@tigerdoc616 – I would be surprised if he played 3b. He refused to play third last year…but maybe that was because it was mid-season or in his walk year.
Wish him luck. He’s a good hitter at 2b but his defense is maddening. Too many lazy or brain freeze moments.
aragon
Perry Minasian was interested in him. To play 3rd. Glad the Tigers signed him to play 2nd.
Baseballisthebest
“Torres, an Octagon client, is expected to be Detroit’s regular second baseman in the upcoming season.”
The article also says that the Tigers don’t want to play Keith at 3B because of injury concerns with his shoulder and have been giving him reps at 1B.
The Tigers are still in the market for a 3B.
DFSDaddy
Keith will move to 3B and Gleyber will play 2nd. Most likely out on Breg
Diabetic Rockstar
Guys….the Tigers have said it, Hinch has said it, this article says it…Keith is NOT going back to 3rd. He wasn’t great there defensively to begin with, and the shoulder concerns are very real. That is also why he won’t be playing OF. As the article states–and Scott Harris explicitly said as recent as three weeks ago–Keith is taking reps in anticipation of playing 1B in spring training. It’s a “Tork insurance policy” of sorts, but also, based on the way they’ve talked, most likely a Tork Replacement plan. It also frees up Jung to go back to 2B, where he was above average before being forced to 3B because of need, in a year when Torres moves on.
GooseGoslinGuy
Torres wouldn’t sign with Nats cause they wanted him to play 3B.
Big country
The report I saw says Torres will play 2nd, Keith to first. Still in on Bregman right now. I expect there’s a trade coming.
Fever Pitch Guy
murph – Why? Gio went to Oakland, Bregman plays 3B.
doobiejc
Rumor has it they are still in on bregman
Blue Baron
doobiejc: Rumors are worth as much as you pay for them. Anyone can start a rumor.
Poolhalljunkies
I may be in the minority but i want boston to sign bregman..move devers off 3b and ship yoshida out
Baseballisthebest
Poolhall, I am in that minority with you.
fivepoundbass
The Red Sox would be a much better fit for Bregman. He doesn’t have the power to shine in Detroit, but he would pepper the Green Monster the way Pedroia used to
tigers182
Wow, Gleyber playing next to Bregman?
MoneyBallJustWorks
i imagine this takes them out of Bregman sweepstakes unless they move him back to SS (bad idea).
Lars MacDonald
Agreed. Torres is not a capable shortstop.
deweybelongsinthehall
He’s not a capable second baseman either. Good stick but lazy player. Not a winner in my book. It will be interesting when financial details are announced.
seamaholic 2
He’s a fine 2B, about average.
NYG4246
Yankee fan here. He is a capable 2B. He’s not a gold Glover but he makes plays and has a very strong arm. I think the lazy narrative is way overblown. We’ve all seen guys get into a pitch they thought was gone, it hits the wall and they are on 1st with a long single. Frustrating but I’ve only seen that happen to him once. I’d say his awareness in the field isn’t top tier and it comes off as lazy. Good ball player, he’ll benefit from the smaller media market of Detroit. Wish him well.
Fever Pitch Guy
NYG – You mentioned the one time he thought it was gone, what actually happened is he heard John Sterling calling it ….. so not Gleyber’s fault.
Baseballisthebest
No matter what stat you look at, Torres is a bad defensive 2B. DRS, UZR, FRV. All bad. Even his range as measured by StatCast’s OAA is bad. All are below average.
ThonolansGhost
In 2024, he had -11 defensive runs saved. Well below average. He was quite good in 2022.
Diabetic Rockstar
He might not be a GG at 2nd, but Torres is still an upgrade over Keith or Jung at 2nd base. Jung will move back to 2nd eventually and Keith will move to 1st, as the Tigers have said a couple times this offseason. 2nd base was by far the biggest defensive Achilles heel for this team (though the right side in general with Tork at 1st was terrible).
Keena
I’m a Yankees fan as well, and wish Gleyber all the best. I thank him for many good seasons with us. And, I’ll be the first to say it. The New York Yankees will rue the day that they didn’t re-sign Gleyber Torres, with no alternate plan. If they put Oswald Peraza at second, I’m going to throw up. Classic example of a totally overhyped Yankee “prospect”. We better go get Bregman, and put Jazz at second.
Early prediction : Gleyber Torres- Comeback Player of the Year 2025, top 15 MVP candidate.
C Yards Jeff
GT has played in close to 50 post season games. That alone is worth the 15 mil. Nice grab by the Tigers.
Yanksfan1030
You highly overrated Gleyber. He was never a top 15 mvp candidate. He’s going to a bigger pitchers park. Won’t have nearly the protection he had in the lineup as he did with the yanks. People tend to forget judge and Soto were batting after torres so that sort of helped him. Even for half a season he still couldn’t produce with that.
I always like Gleyber but I’m hardly crying over it.
JackStrawb
Goober also seems like the kind of guy who, when he declines for good, is going to go fast.
I think that’s what we’re already seeing.
JackStrawb
Yeah, because there’s that well-known “postseason carryover” to completely different teams in completely different years.
Mynameisnoname
@NYG Also a Yankee fan here. Gleyber was in the 7th percentile for arm strength last year and 14th percentile for range according to savant.
One of the weakest arms in the game and why he was originally moved off short. He was also in the 3rd percentile for base running value (that’s value and not speed) remember the countless gaffes on the bases last year?!
He’s a terrible fit for a giant stadium like Comerica Hes a low IQ player that swung for the fences despite coming up as an all fields hitter.
I would have taken less money at friendly confines to rebuild value. Overall, negative value defender, terrible base runner and an average hitter. Not worth the 15 million!
JackStrawb
Such a pity there isn’t a downvote function here.
Mynameisnoname
@seamholic2 Torres has a 7th percentile arm with 14th percentile range and overall defensive value.
He is as lackadaisical as Cano, but without the gifted undertones.
He is extremely in the blue and negative value on the bases and in the field. His bat and approach has been volatile and simply does not carry the rest of the profile.
Mynameisnoname
@Keena. LOL. 14th percentile fielding value, 3rd percentile base running value and 57th batting run value moving to an extreme pitchers park!
I’m sorry but Torres is washed and heading into a worse situation. Forget MVP talk- I don’t see him finishing in the top 250 of WAR.
Damn Yankee$
@NYG4246 he has zero range, poor baseball IQ, a very weak arm that is wildly inaccurate. He pouts and loafs. He’s a terrible baserunner. He disappears for months at a time at the plate.
People want to forget all of that because he got hot at the end of the year as the leadoff hitter.
Scott Costello
I don’t agree with you at all as a Yankees fan. Torres routinely made bonehead plays at second, can’t hit for power anymore and was THE WOrST baserunner I’ve ever seen. He was only useful when he became a slap hitter.
I think Peraza, if given extended playing time will turn into a decent/league average hitter. And good defense will be top notch.
energel
intelligent comment, being for real
Keena
The bigger pitchers park will help him hit for a higher average. Ever notice what an insanely low averages most of the Yankees hit EVERY season? That ridiculous right field porch brings those averages way down, because guys are trying to jack balls over it all the time. Look at Jason Giambi and Mark Teixeira. Way over .300 hitters before coming to the Yankees, then after a year or so in Yankee Stadium, they’d have a hard time hitting .265 off a damn tee, because their swing has been destroyed, swinging for home runs to right. I stand by my prediction about Gleyber Torres next season, and I hope he does it. Meanwhile, Peraza the Bust will hit about .215 with 2 HRS. They should’ve traded him when teams still bought into the hype about him, and actually Volpe too. We passed on some excellent shortstops in free agency two years ago, because Cashman and Boone were convinced one or both of those two clowns would turn into the next Derek Jeter. As the immortal Rick Perry would say…. OOOPS!
GarryHarris
Gleyber Torres doesn’t fix the defensive Achilles at 2B at all. In fact, he’s a roadblock for the young competition.
Hammerin' Hank
When Harris was negotiating this $15 million contract I’m sure that the number of post-season games played had nothing to do with it. It has no relevance to his value on the open market.
GarryHarris
Jazz Chisholm is the Yankees 2B. They’re working to get a 3B.
Balk
That would be something if they signed Bregman too.
chemfinancing
Where is Kolt Keith gonna play
Tomas80
first
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
1B
MoneyBallJustWorks
somewhere. gleyber could play 2b moving Keith to 3b, or gleyber at SS and Keith stays at 2b. it’s Jung or Sweeney who likely gets squeezed here since they have 3 options remaining.
Dogs
Tork still has an option left too.
Diabetic Rockstar
Keith is not playing 3rd. He is playing 1B in spring training. Harris has said this. The shoulder concerns with Keith are very real, and he wasn’t great there to begin with.
tektmz
Maybe read the article?
Motor City Beach Bum
They updated it after he posted.
horaceallen
I love these “read the article” guys when it’s clear people were commenting on the initial snippet.
Poolhalljunkies
If his arm is healthy youd think 3b..isnt that his natural position per the article
Diabetic Rockstar
“Per the article” that repeats what the Tigers have said”: he’s playing 1B and probably won’t play 3B ever again due to his shoulder.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Not shocking, at all. Hope Gleyber got them to overpay on years and dollars.
Tomas80
This is so weird. Tork is out. Colt to first?
stymeedone
Someone, please! Anyone! Explain what Harris is thinking! Keith is the only player signed long term. He was fine at 2B in his first year at the position. At some point, doesn’t there need to be a plan?!
Poolhalljunkies
This is great lol its funny 75% of fans are saying the sameething about thier teams and gms..depending on which article you click on
Motor City Beach Bum
What’s wrong with that signing? One year of Torres at 2B and then shift Jung back to his natural position at 2B next year. The plan seems pretty clear…he’s said it since he arrived…let the young guys play.
Poolhalljunkies
No argument from me just amusing most fans think thier respective gms have no plan
stymeedone
Lee, being someone Harris actually acquired, will take over 2B. Jung is from Avila. Still, why mess with the one player that’s signed long term? He did fine at 2B. What’s wrong with the signing is that the Tigers have a ton of people who can play 2B, and unless you think Vierling should be the full time 3B, no one for 3B. They added a player, but still have the same number of needs. Considering the Tigers lineup need for RH power, I would rather Torkelson in the lineup than Torres, and that seems to be the choice Harris is looking at.
ohyeadam
Leaving Kieth’s position ambiguous leaves the door open for further additions in those spots. Similar to the Yankees and Jazz.
Motor City Beach Bum
They talked about trying Lee at 3B and I wouldn’t be surprised if they still went after Bergman or even Kim. Eventually Rainer may end up there is what they discussed during the draft.
IloveMACfootball
To a minor league deal i hope
HeadHunter
aka the Javy Baez sequel
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
He’ll be signed for less years and total money.
fansincethe80s
Bad comp. Torres knows how to walk.
PiazzaParty
I can’t believe Baez is getting $24 mil for 3 more
Doron
Yankees fan here, GL Gleyber!!!
Unless against the Yankees.
CravenMoorehead
He started out atrocious at the plate last season but really thrived batting leadoff in the 2nd half. Best of luck to him.
CaseyAbell
Didn’t see this coming. Were there any rumors about Torres and the Tigers? This could pay off more than a huge spend on Bregman. Torres has an underrated bat and is decent enough with the glove.
Now if the Tigers still spend enormous money on Bregman, that would be the surprise of the offseason. But who knows?
Motor City Beach Bum
There were a couple articles but all talking about hypothetical fits.
Lars MacDonald
That is a fair assessment of Torres.
He tends to have extended hot and cold streaks at the plate. But overall, a decent hitter.
His biggest issue is that he makes mental mistakes too often and tends to flub easy plays from time to time.
Clarence Thomas and the Yankees are Your Daddies
700 OPS in 24 is decent? Ok,fanboy
Ben4MVP
His 2024 batting line was 4% above league average. I would say that is pretty much the definition of “decent”.
seamaholic 2
9 points better than average, says right there in the article, champ.
Ma4170
265/344/441 and 113 WRC+ and 112 OPS+ for his career so looks like the article is off
Ben4MVP
4% better than average in 2024
9% better than average since 2019
13% better than average in his career
Ma4170
Since the juiced ball year, got it
ChicagoTommy
It was a juiced ball for EVERYBODY. So being “above average” is still relevant..
Airo13
Finally got him after turning the Yankees down in trade that would have sent Fulmer to New York.
mlbnyyfan
Thank God. Bye bye Gleyber Good Luck to you. Let’s go Yankees!!! Bregman to Yankees possibly
Keena
You won’t be so happy Gleyber is gone, when he wins Comeback Player of the Year in 2025. And what’s our plan for second base, besides not having one? Peraza? Biggest bust in the last 10 years for the Yankees. Cabrera is only slightly better. Maybe we can put old man DJ at second, and watch him hit .135 with 2 home runs for the season. Cashman better sign Bregman, so they can move Jazz to second, otherwise this will come back to haunt us.
stymeedone
Yankees would need to move quite a bit of salary to make room for any 3B, especially Bregman. They are in the final tax penalty, 110%! If Bregman signs for $30MM/yr, that would be a total of $63MM every year they are over. Don’t see that happening.
giantboy99
No more Gleyber Day in the Bronx
Motor City Beach Bum
Next article will be Red Sox, Mets or Jays sign Bregman!
Can we please get a DH?
If Bregman goes to Mets, where does Pete end up?
If Bregman goes to Red Sox, they will face even more pressure to move Casas or Yoshida to balance the roster.
MysteryWhiteBoy
The Jays are making the most sense for Bregman position wise, unless the Jays would seriously contemplate a move to third base for Vlad
Can we please get a DH?
Moving Vlad to 3B would be a shortsighted disaster. Agree that Bregman to the Jays makes the most sense positionally. I just think the Jays should pivot into rebuild as they have a fairly old and flawed team with a weak system. I don’t see how they keep up with an emerging Boston and make ground on the Yankees and Orioles.
Baseballisthebest
If Bregman goes to the Red Sox, Yoshida should be gone. Casas is a better hitter and is young enough he might actually become an average defensive 1B. Devers to DH.
JackStrawb
Pillow contract in Seattle?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Javy and Gleyber. Twins!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I know some folks around here have pointed out how much I diss the Tigers, but with signings like this it’s proof they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and overpay for free agents.
I forget who it was, but a couple seasons back some big free agent was offered the most money by the Tigers, by a wide margin, and turned them down because they didn’t want to play for them and wanted to be on a more competitive, relevant club.
I loved it when they had Magglio, when they had young Verlander, etc. but it’s been a long time since then.
mlbnyyfan
Any chance Profar can still play 3B for Yankees?
avenger65
mlbnyyfan: Like Montgomery, Profar has only had success with one team.
choof
Montgomery was good with three teams? Recency bias at its finest
Ragnarok
Montgomery was good with the Rangers,cards, and Yanks.
He was the best in TX but that’s not even remotely close to Profar’s career.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Ahhhh, the obvious comp of Profar to Jordan Montgomery. Silly me for not seeing that before it was posted!
Motor City Beach Bum
It was Correa who was offered something like $285 million over 10 years. I am glad he didn’t take it, even though they signed Baez instead. I don’t like Correa. He ended up with a lesser deal that year.
And…the Tigers have a good young team that made the playoffs last year and only needed to fill in around the edges. Spending a large amount on an aging Bregman wasn’t necessarily the cure. I’d prefer Kim but didn’t Gleyber get on base when they moved him to leadoff in the second half last year? Getting on base is what the Tigers look for. Not sure why he would be a bad signing?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Sure, Gleyber can get on first or second base at a decent clip from a walk, a single or a double- but once he’s safely reached base, he is a liability at running the base paths, determining the likelihood of reaching the next base while the ball is in play, he’s a liability to not turn that single or double into an out or a double play for the opposing team because he makes such costly mistakes on the base path.
Ma4170
He’s still around a 2.5-3 WAR player most years, so for 1/$15M he’s not an overpay at all. If you consider 2022 and 2023 more of his “average” years the Tigers are hoping for, he was at 53-55 XBH, a 450 SLG. He might be a nice one-year pickup for them.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I know that, but he’s a player whose overall WAR number doesn’t reflect his day in, day out performance and his up and down nature.
I agree, his defense isn’t as atrocious as people describe it to be and his bat is admittedly very streaky, but a ton of well paid players can be described the exact same way… I think it’s the blunders.
He makes catastrophic blunders that negate any upside he provides.
He’s the guy who’s good or above average until he’s not and when he’s not, it’s devastating…. primarily while running the bases, which for most players is a Baseball IQ 101 capability, but for Gleyber it’s a gaping wound in his game that impacts the value of everything else he does well enough.
Ma4170
I can relate as a Met fan, have had many of those types over the years. And the 2r double once a week doesn’t quite erase tagging up on a ball in the gap instead of going halfway, and then not scoring as a result… or getting picked off on a line drive…etc.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Exactly this, Ma4170.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Building a baseball team is like completing a jigsaw puzzle. Torres may look like an ugly piece but he may fit what the Tigers need. Torres will be a much more potent bat than Goldie, who got the same money, also on a one year deal. Not suggesting that moving Torres from 2B to 1B would make him an above average defender. Sometimes you have to take the blinder to get the thunder. This is the type of player you want on a one year modest cost deal to give them some motivation. I like this for the Tigers and, really, I only saw 2-3 teams where Torres seemed to fit the puzzle well.
GooseGoslinGuy
Day-um, sounds like you are describing Nats-vintage Victor Robles.
JackStrawb
Gleyber was -2 on the basepaths last year. That’s not a liability, it’s a hair below average. -1 / season, career.
You know we capture every play and track them in public databases? It’s really cool!
caltigerfreak
Chalk up his fielding and base-running prowess – or lacks thereof – to Yankee culture. I’ll put my money on Joey Cora to fix his fielding and his base-running by Easter Sunday. And he is on a pillow contract, so he has incentive to up his game in 2025.
Baseballisthebest
Motor City, which Kim? Ha Seong Kim had surgery and won’t start a throwing program until after the season starts. That would put soonest he starts playing in games in late-May or early-June. Probably later than that. I guess the Tigers could sign him knowing he won’t be ready until then and run Baez out there to put the nail in his coffin until Kim is ready.
Motor City Beach Bum
Ha Seong. Baez may not be ready either and Sweeney is likely to get the bulk if yhe at bats. Kim can play 3B too so that’s a possibility. I like his versatility.
holecamels35
I disagree, this wasn’t really an overpay. One year at a reasonable salary for a slightly above average player.
Motor City Beach Bum
One year deal means they can move Jung back to 2B where he fits better as well. It makes sense.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Magglio went to Detwa when he heard it was poor man’s Chicago, he figured I got this, I really enjoyed my time in Chicago. Cept he didn’t realize how poor
Motor City Beach Bum
And he was successful and went to the World Series. Real sad story.
swanhenge
I have no feelings other than I’m glad Boston didn’t sign him.
rememberthecoop
These guys who can suddenly turn in on in their walk years remind me that they’re not always playing with 100% effort. Unless you’re telling me that’s just a coincidence?
unpaidobserver
Good news for the Tigers then cause its a one year deal!
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s confirmation bias. Bregman and Alonso didn’t have great walk years. Neither did Torres at a tier below them. And Bellinger has had a couple of walk years.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Where’s the dividing line between effort and focus? Money sure adds focus…is it different, I dunno.
JackStrawb
It’s just a coincidence in nearly every case.
By random chance a player will do at least a hair better in their walk year over the previous year half the time. Very slightly less than half once you factor in the aging curve.
Like everything else we actually study these things.
‘Does better in his walk year,’ like nearly everything else you think you know, is false.
Clarence Thomas and the Yankees are Your Daddies
Gleyber has the worst baseball IQ Ive seen. Adios.
machurucuto
Maybe he will play better in a more friendly environment
JackStrawb
Or maybe he’ll play worse without the incentive of a volatile crowd.
VLP
A decade later and Gleyber and Javy end up on the same infield after all
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If Javy gets some reps there.
Salzilla
I think I’m one of the few NYY fans that wouldn’t have minded Gleyber back, but it never felt like the Yanks ever did so I resigned myself to him leaving as soon as the Series was over. Good luck, man!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah…. I am fully convinced that Cashman had Gleyber in mind as a back up plan on a one year deal if they couldn’t comfortably figure out something else and Gleyber was stuck waiting for a decent offer, but even that seemed like a worst case scenario for the Yankees.
I was reminded yesterday of Gleyber’s most costly base running blunders and that alone is too much of a risk- that’s largely instinct and natural reaction a bit more than it is training and experience.
As much as I liked him, as open as I was to the hype, if I wasn’t being sentimental at all I’d consider him a massive risk and someone built more to be a high profile shiny object on a team out of contention or a team who had to get desperate and overpay undesirable free agents to sign with them.
Fernando P
@Trill – He would have accepted the QO for sure if the Yankees offered it. I didn’t expect he would get more than 15-17M.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I mean, yeah, of course. I’m not even talking about that- they can not extend a QO and still try to work out another deal with a free agent, though, right?
dankyank
I would have been fine giving him Gleyber one final chance given his late season surge. With that being said, I think pursuing Kim and focusing on defense as a way to aid the development of our young arms makes more sense.
Fernando P
Kim is a solid defender, lefty, good speed etc. Wouldn’t mind him for 2b or 3b. He won’t earn more than Torres 15M though he would require a multi-year deal.
stymeedone
Do people not realize Kim is projected to miss half the season?
Fernando P
@stymeedone – Yes, but plenty of teams sign guys that will miss time…usually it is pitchers though.
Motor City Beach Bum
If his arm looks fine and he is signed to a longer-term deal like they are projecting what does it matter? Kim is a great player on both sides if the ball.
stymeedone
Everyone talks like they expect Kim on opening day.
Motor City Beach Bum
I think I read May at the earliest?
dankyank
No one has projected Kim to miss half the season. The following is from the San Diego Tribune:
“Kim, who is expected to elect free agency, is shooting to be in games by mid-April or perhaps May.”
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dankyank
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Baseballisthebest
His agent said that. His GM said he would not be able to start baseball activities until April.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I was skeptical of what Jack Curry was saying but he’s often right.
The Yankees could’ve totally matched the deal if they wanted him back.
GL to Gleyber!
Keena
I’m a Yankees fan that WANTED Gleyber back. I think it’s a huge mistake to let him go, at only 28 years old. If we had a great alternate plan, that’s different, but we don’t. It better not be Peraza The Bust. I wish Mr. Torres all the best, and am grateful for many years of good service. Once he wins Comeback Player of the Year in 2025, Cashman will want to sign him back for much more money.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
1 year/$15M I honestly think this was the best offer he got for his purposes. It’s a very token raise on his final year of arbitration and only for one year, which was either the best he could do or the only serious offer.
Salzilla
It’s sorta tough to land a big deal on his final season there. If he does better a bigger deal (3-4 years) can surely still happen. He just turned 28.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I mean that is clearly what he is hoping for… that he is so amazing in Detroit that someone looks at his overall numbers, his age and he gets like 5 years/$70M or 5 years/$125M or something coming off his 2025 season- or the Tigers and him “like each other so much” they make it a longer pact.
I dunno, though…. I think Gleyber is destined to try and stitch together 1-2 year deals and hope his salary doesn’t dwindle down to nothing.
I think he can still receive a qualifying offer from the Tigers next year, which would be be for like $22M or whatever- and Gleyber would 100% take that if offered it. That’s the position he is in, unfortunately.
LouWhitakerHOF
The Tigers signing Cobb and Gleyber to one year deals with the hope they can flip them at the deadline for prospects. One needs to stay healthy and the other have a decent year. This is how we operate now.
Motor City Beach Bum
Both signings make sense. The Tigers are deep in the pitching department and Cobb adds some innings to their starting corps. Torres playing 2B for one year likely means Jung is getting moved back to his natural 2B and Keith to 1B. That could still leave space to sign Bregman or Kim. I wonder what this means for Tork?
Red Wings
I think Tork is part of a trade package for a starting pitcher, what team is confident they can take on a project who can’t hit a fastball?
Motown is My Town
Tork (and a couple of prospects) to the Marlins for Sandy Alcantara…
Hot Corner IJ
Agree Sweet Lou. Tigers operate like a small market despite being in a nearly midsize area and an owner towards the top wealth compared to other owners. It is why I wonder if they deal Skubal this offseason or next offseason.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nah. Tigers in 2025 post-season mix, probably within a couple games of winning division.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Fish would want much more for Alcantara, like two top MLB overall 50 prospects plus a journeyman player
Red Wings
How about Tork with Baez for low prospect to get Baez’ contract off the books. Marlins need to add salary.
A's lover
I think all of those young infielders are going to have to hit their way in. Three of them still have options. I’m not so sure about the pitching though, I don’t think we go 10 starters deep… I would love to see a couple more veterans starting pitcher signed…
stymeedone
Maybe he liked what the Tigers can offer.
Misty Moobs
As a red Sox fan I am terrified that means we are getting Bregman. Would kill our future
seamaholic 2
Why? They’s still be well cost controlled for their revenues.
Armaments216
Bregman is down to so few suitors he may now be looking at shorter deals with opt outs.
Poolhalljunkies
Money aside bregman reminds me a ton of mike lowell only better stats and younger..but proven winner and clubhouse leader..both were said to have bad contracts and on the decline..tbh this dude would be great in boston assuming you move yoshida so you can have devers/casas split time between 1b/dh ..let campbell or grissom or hamilton fight it out for 2b
Can we please get a DH?
Surprisingly low deal for Gleybar given Hoskins got so much more last year coming off of injury.
Curious who the Bregman front runner is. Is it the Blue Jays? Yankees and Red Sox both seem like longer shots given money spent elsewhere already. The Mets make sense if they are willing to let Alonso walk (but if the Mets leave the Alonso bidding, who is left there?).
The game of musical chairs seems like it’s getting close to ending and the cash pool for FAs is starting to dry up a bit.
Motor City Beach Bum
It could still be the Tigers if Keith moves to 1B instead and the ship out Tork. Doubtful though.
stymeedone
That seems to be the direction they are going. However, moving Keith back to 3B seems the best fit. His arm seemed fine. They still don’t have a prospect at 3B, and Lee should be ready for 2B before the seasons over. Torkelson could easily put up a .240 ave with 30+ HRs/ or .200 with 20, but the reward seems worth the risk. Its too early to give up on him.
Lindor's Bodyguard
The Gleyber vs Hoskins comp escaped me. Thanks for sharing!
ArianaGrandSlam
so the Yankees wouldn’t even give him a chance and pay the same amount for one year? He was finding a good spot being the leadoff
Negan
The Yanks don’t need anymore slow, low IQ l, bad defensive players with beer bellys
unglar
Or low IQ lazy mean fans
Fernando P
@Ariana – There’s no chance he ever would have accepted 15M for one year from the Yankees.
28rings
we should have given him the QO and gotten a draft pick
Doron
Gleyber would have accepted the QO within 5 seconds.
28rings
I’d have risked keeping him for one more year at $21.5 million
seamaholic 2
He signed for less than $50m. The pick the Yankees would have gotten would been a 4th rounder or something.
Armaments216
I believe the $50M threshold for a better comp
pick only applies for revenue sharing teams. Yankees are not that and they were a luxury taxpayer for 2024 so they’d get a low comp pick for any player who signs elsewhere after rejecting a QO, regardless of the size of the contract that player signs.
GooseGoslinGuy
You’d think baseball could make this process way simpler. It all sounds so ridiculous.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
• Competitive Balance Tax payors: If the team that loses the player went over the CBT threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed. The value of the player’s contract doesn’t matter in this case.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
As Doron said- he would have accepted that before they could finish the sentence.
Gleyber is not dumb- he’s very aware of his issues, of his market (or lack thereof) and that QO would have been a financial godsend for him- plus he would have kept playing on the Yankees, which would’ve been a sign they’d be open to signing him long term.
Even if they pulled the “we think you’re worth 4 years/$60M but we really want to give you the chance to keep playing with us long term and we’d love the luxury tax relief, so we’d like to offer you 7 years/$59.5M w/ a $500k buyout on a 8th year at $12.5M” like they did with Aaron Hicks, Gleyber would have signed that deal in an instant, just to stay a Yankee.
dkhits20
One year at $15MM?? How can anyone be mad at that?
Tomas80
I’m kind of in the “this is fine” camp. Now go get Bregman,.
machurucuto
Bregman to the Mariners
Astros_fan_in_Aus
I was getting weary reading through all these comments and then I came to yours and it made me laugh out loud. Thank you.
MysteryWhiteBoy
Maybe the Jays will end up landing Bregman just by process of elimination, but more likely they either sign Moncada or trade for Baty once the Mets sign Bregman
unglar
Whatever you want to say about his defense is probably true, but the Yankees lineup is worse without him and there aren’t many options outside of a Bregman that can substantially improve it.
All the haters who said they didn’t want Soto can kick rocks, plan B which started off well, sucks.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
You would think Gleyber would have some extra motivation to show he is determined to improve his defense, If his new team sees the effort that will go along way to endear him to his new teammates and future teams and an boost to potential earnings. Nobody will expect perfection.
Hopefully it will energize and also get Baez to take it up a gear or 2. appeal to his pride, he is getting some good $.
Success breads on itself and CAN be Contagious.
GO Tigers! We need an army to beat LAD
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think Gleyber’s passion for a given team is gone and he’s just trying to make hay while the sun shines, so to speak… his window to convince teams to pay him low eight figures or high seven figures is a small window and he’s gotta capitalize and get lucky right now.
I think if this goes well- and I mean like in the discussion for MVP well and he’d course corrected on defense and base running acumen- he’d still be looking at offers of like 2 years/$50M or 3 years/$100M at best and more likely 2 years/$40M to 3 years/$59.25M at best, etc. which are all great at an individual level and there’s always people in this comment section who’ll say like “how can players scoff at offers like that- do you know how much money that is? How many generations of their family that could take care of?” ignoring the reality of the game’s economics and the fact that once upon a time Gleyber was the type of player to be considering 10 year/$300M to 15 years/$450M level offers- and now he will be *very* *lucky* to achieve 8 years/$140M in total free agent salaries across like 3-5 separate deals he scrapes together with his salary yo-yo’ing base on what he did the previous go around until he’s virtually shut out at age 35 and retires sort of by league decree due to lack of substantial offers.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Not really. Gleyber’s OPS+ was a league-average 101. It all depends on who the team decides to replace him with.
Losing Soto stings but Cashman’s plan B so far has been stellar and he’s not done yet. Soto gambled on himself and he won and now gets to choose his likely HoF cap. So be it.
whyhayzee
Good move. One year deal.
The McNasty1
Anything in the contract that penalizes him for everytime he gets thrown out on base due to his atrocious baserunning/baseball acumen?
machurucuto
1 year at $15M… not a bad deal for the Tigers
PutPeteinthehall
Is good for Detroit. Any potentially impact bat on a one year deal that doesn’t break the bank works.
mad1
15 million for a league average second baseman. Good deal if you can get someone to pay it
KnicksFanCavsFan
He was the best 2b on the market
WestVillageTiger
The Tigers didn’t need another second baseman…
Motor City Beach Bum
It makes sense for one year. Jung can move back to his natural 2B next year. I’ll be interested to see if they move Keith to 3B or 1B and if 1B what they do with Tork.
CaseyAbell
A career 112 OPS+ and a glove that’s serviceable on a low-risk low-cost (by MLB standards) one-year deal. Not a bad pickup at all.
deej
He has a glove. I don’t know if it’s serviceable.
CaseyAbell
Baseball Reference and Fangraphs both rate Torres as so-so but far from terrible with the glove. That agrees with the eye test for me, just from what I’ve seen of him on the Extra Innings package. No gold glove but he makes the routine plays.
JackStrawb
Is there anyone in MLB who doesn’t make the routine plays?
28rings
the Yankees in the World Series
28rings
he’s had a positive career dWAR at 2B
Astros_fan_in_Aus
2024 Defensive Runs Saved -11 Outs Above Average -7
is that “serviceable” ?
Brian Cashman Fan
1-year deal makes sense for him, he’ll still be one of the younger FAs on the market next year at 29 and he needs to show he still has power. Only 15 HRs this year and a good amount of those were Yankee Stadium specials.
Begamin
Eh i’d say only a couple of them were yankee stadium specials. only one in the RF. Hitting 385ft+ opposite field shouldnt be considered an issue. That said, his batting did take a step back
Wrian Washman
He was often a frustrating player to watch play defense.
miggywrld
Good signing. If he stinks, he’s making less $ than Maeda. If he has a big year he’ll be a top 4 bat in the lineup.
I would assume this slides Keith to 1B. I read somewhere that he was in the 10th percentile in arm strength so I doubt he goes to 3B. I would also think this would put Tork in a Pinch Hit/Platoon/DH role unless he’s traded.
Tomas80
I’d like to see Tork as part of a trade package. I’m willing to risk him being good on another team.
cooperhill
Tork is worth a bag of ⚾️ at this point.
Tomas80
Sold!
Brassroo
Tork will be in Toledo
Red Wings
Or Miami
johncoltrane
I rly thought gley would get more interest than a 1 yr deal
What happens to Jace?
Motor City Beach Bum
He’ll probably shift back to his natural 2B at AAA and replace Torres there next year.
stymeedone
The problem is Lee is slated for 2B at Toledo. Besides, if Jung goes down, who plays 3B, which is still a hole not filled.
Good for Gleyber
Was really worried the Tigers were going to bless him w the Baez special, but 1 for $15 still feels like an overshoot in both years and dollars for a rabbit ball guy. Hate to see this roster clogger leave the Yanks, but knowing Cashman they’ll probably find a washed up 37 year old to replace him
mvp7
Good, now he can loaf to first base with the Tigers.
Tigersin2050
Not a huge fan of Gleyber, but I don’t hate this deal. Not unless it’s the only right handed we sign. We need some power from the right side still.
yankee766766
NYG. YANKEE FAN HERE , AS WELL. Not sure what games you watch, but Gleyber is one of the laziest and not exactly smartest players. I have seen in a very long time.. He loafs to first base on batted balls, he nonchalantly gets under flyballs, and then immediately takes his eye off the ball, He boots routine ground balls…etc etc. He is definitely not a winner attitude.
b-liv312
Cubs won the Chapman trade
yankeeswin28
Howwww lol Yankees got there top prospect and other players for half a year of Chapman I know they would the championship but the Yankees gave up on the season by this point
ACamp42755
Good Luck Gleyber!!
WestVillageTiger
Horrible signing. A bad base runner and a major defensive liability anywhere on the diamond. Adds more chaos to an already unsettled infield.
A major step back…
cooperhill
Good move for a team that literally has no offense.
C Yards Jeff
I like that his regular season and post season slash lines are similar. To me, an indication that his mental/emotional approach to every game played is the same. Is he a stud, of course not, but there’s predictable offensive outcome regardless of time of season and importance of the game. 15 mil. Wow. Nice pull Detriot.
Viveleempireevil
As much as I hate to say this, but…I think many/most of his problems stem from the fact that he’s a dullard. His lack of hustle, his zoning out on baserunning, his nonchalant play in the field. And, he’s another guy with a weight problem who seems to have difficulty in getting in/staying in shape. See this as either Hinch gets to him and he’s the AL Comeback player of the year…or he’s a complete flop.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I never really noticed the weight issue, but he really does seem to brain freeze on the bases.
I’ve seen him turn some fantastic long shot defensive plays, I’ve seen him pull out minor miracles playing defense, but the fact that it looks like that for him is a big concern.
I also am uncomfortable with how many times he’s had to change his approach at the plate in order to remain remotely league average productive.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Great physical talent but below-average baseball instincts. When you see little-known utility guys hang around the game for 10+ years, it’s the opposite. With that said, I don’t question Gleyber’s work ethic and he’s been a great teammate. A change of scenery and someone else in his ears is a good thing. He wasn’t bad enough last season to qualify for next year’s AL Comeback ballot.
TigersFan 12
This is a great signing. Tigers move Keith to 1B, Gleybar plays 2B, and can still sign Bregman to play 3B. Torkelson can spend the entire season at AAA figuring out his swing or lack of …lol… I would then swap out Jace Jung to the Marlins for Sandy Alcantrara. (This trade would be beneficial for both sides). If Gleybar has a good season, which I think he will, Tigers can resign him or put a QO on him after the season and get a high draft pick if he signs elsewhere.
rocky7
Sweet Dreams Tiger fan……how’s that alternate universe working for you.
TigersFan 12
Hey Rocky7, me and your mom love the alternate universe
warnbeeb
It appears Harris still isn’t ready to commit to winning big. These one year deals (Cobb and now Torres) look like “flip at the deadline for prospects” signings.
I suppose if these 2 guys pan out and the Tiger youngsters play up into July, Harris might keep them then go for a big rental to get the Tigers into the post season. The Tigers have a deep prospect list that could swing a Vlad trade (for instance) that might make a difference.
I kind of doubt it.
To me, it looks like Harris is just going to sit on his prospects and wait for them to grow up. The problem is Greene and Skubal may be FA before it happens.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah- for Gleyber’s sake I hope that happens.
I hope Gleyber’s defense is league average at worst and that he somehow muscles up to like 22 HR’s by the All-Star break and maintains a BA of over .250, an OBP of .350 and some team likes his bat and trades for him during a playoff run and he has a Giancarlo in the ALCS level performance or a Carlos Beltran in 2004 level performance in the post season for some club and that tricks a team I do not care about into handing Gleyber 8 years/$220M or something… because I like the guy, I am rooting for him.
rocky7
Pretty amazing as to all the comments from folks who haven’t seen his defensive play over extended periods….”league average at worst”…..you’re sadly mistaken…he’s no pariah defensively, but league average would be a good adjective of his abilities defensively……..Yankee fans all liked him, he just got brain freeze too many times in critical situations leading to loses…..
TrillionaireTeamOperator
But that break freeze in critical situation was far more often on the base path as a base runner than it was defensively.
Gleyber’s defensive issues could hide in plain sight much of the time, but basically any time he’d get on base everybody would hold their breath and not be shocked when he was the reason they had 2 men on and zero outs to a triple play ending an inning or a man on and 2 outs with a good 2 out hitter at the plate and the inning ended because Gleyber was tagged out leading off and getting doubled up.
That is by far his worst trait and the most egregious flaw as a player and the reason it’s difficult to want him on your team.
rocky7
No you’re wrong about his baselining being the only screw up….his defense sometimes would go South, and his offense, other than late this year, was built around him trying to go yard on everything…..you would need to watch him over the course of the many seasons since 2018 to understand the flaws in his game…..of course he has upside too, and wish him well in Detroit……
TrillionaireTeamOperator
“To understand his flaws, you must go back and rewatch 7 years worth of play footage of Gleyber and even then…”
Torres is not the most nuanced or layered player.
His issues are glaringly obvious and have been since the end of the juiced ball era.
I remember watching some of those 38 home runs that season and being aware of how poor the contact was or how wild the swing was and then the ball would sail out dead center for a home run anyway.
Take that away and Gleyber’s weaknesses as a player have always been blatantly evident by just watching him, you know, play.
But the reality is he’s a professional baseball player, so he’s gonna turn plenty of simple ground outs, pop outs, double plays, etc. successfully while still being woefully below average or of negative defensive value, just like literally every other Major League Baseball player whose defense was or is terrible.
A broken clock is right twice a day, just as a terrible baseball player will do their job correctly if not perfectly a few times a game despite the more common and frequent mistakes they make. Just as a .010 hitter with no power will occasionally hit a home run or go 4-for-4 in a random game.
Brassroo
Skubs is as good as gone. Tigers won’t be willing to pony up the $$ required. If he has another great year, he will be dealt at the TDL. True window isn’t open until ‘27 at the earliest.
dankyank
I wish Gleyber all the best in Detroit. Truth be told, Kim is a better fit for the Yankees at this point.
For Detroit, his signing checks a lot of boxes. This end the ill-fated experiment of playing both Keith and Jung out of position. Plus, Torres’ extra base power is a great fit for Comerica park.
stymeedone
Unless they move Keith back to 3B, how does this end Keith and Jung from playing out of position? Jung is a 2B, and Keith has never played 1B. Seems Harris is unsure how to proceed.
dvermast
I suspect this is very much a sign of Tork moving more permanent out or a DH role if he can figure the bat out, and Keith moving to 1B. Colts arm is dead and I personally felt a move to 1B was likely to happen at some point. It also gives ultra flexibility with Torres being able to play SS and 2nd. A good rotation of middle infielder we’ve built.
I doubt this takes us out of the Bregman market as we needbhim at 3rd. Torres declined the Nats offer because they wanted him to play 3rd. If anything this may entice Alex to believe in our direction.
All that said a one year deal is also telling that this may just be a one year bandaid.
Brassroo
Tork either learns how to mash in Toledo or he will bring back nothing in a trade. I have bet on him being a bust before he got his first taste of MLB. I was pleasantly surprised when he hit 32 dingers and thought I was wrong. At this point, it’s very likely he never is anything special.
dopt
Jung is too slow for OF. His arm is below average also
Mikenmn
I like the signing for Detroit. Torres can play, it’s one year, he can be flipped at the deadline if a contender has a need and the Tigers aren’t competitive.
stymeedone
Exactly, Mikenmn.
The front office is not showing faith they can compete, and is planning on the deadline sell off, again. Wash, rinse, repeat. Its much harder for young players to improve when they have to continually learn a new position. Keith needs the opportunity to just play!
Motor City Beach Bum
How is signing Torres not trying to compete? Good bat and doesn’t block Jung at 2B. Replacing Tork with Keith who had better stats is not an improvement overall?
McMillan-Piper
Dude. Why do you want the Yankees garbage? For 15 million a year? This is ridiculous. You should be incredibly pissed if you’re a Tigers fan.
stymeedone
They aren’t replacing Torkelson with Keith. They are replacing Torkelson with Torres. Torres does not provide the RH power the Tigers lack. Torkelson might. Meanwhile, the team has invested in Keith, but instead of concentrating solely on his offense this year, he now has to learn a new position! 3B is still a Vierling/Jung/McKinstry/Ibanez fiasco. Maybe even Baez will get some time there.
Adding another 2B was not the solution, and did not fix any of the existing needs.
Motor City Beach Bum
Torres is a year removed from a 20+ homer season just like Tork is from his 30. The difference is Tork fell off a cliff and Tirres didn’t so getting g him is an upgrade over Tork in the lineup. Too many “mights” with Tork. 3B is not the disaster you are making it out to be even if it ends up as a Jung/Vierling combo. It appears they are still in on Bregman as well. If the infield ends up as Keith, Torres, Sweeney, Bregman that is a very clear upgrade from last year. Even if you sub Jung/Vierling for Bregman it’s an upgrade.
Low IQ Angels Management
Another Perry Menasian failure. Angels still need a 3rd baseman, 2nd baseman, 1st baseman, right fielder, two front end starters and two quality relievers. They will address none of these issues. A 60-102 record this year is incoming.
GooseGoslinGuy
Given what you say they lack, 60 wins looks generous!
MC Tim C
Low risk, medium reward. Gleyber has talent it’s just a matter of whether or not he will reach his potential.
rocky7
Well, no sour grapes from Yankee fan but…..let me check in with you again when Gleyber uses his $.10 cent head to make another bad play either defensively or offensively on the bases as far as his talent reaching his potential….if he hasn’t reached it by now, what you see is what you get…….the Yankees just tired of his lack of a baseball head, and it always seemed as if he was trying to live his rookie year all over again rather than fitting into a lineup and doing his job……although he did a commendable job in the leadoff slot late in the season for the Yankees……good luck Detroit.
warnbeeb
It will be interesting to see if AJ Hinch has any influence on Torres’s baseball brain. No offense to Boone, but he’s had the luxury of managing a roster of highly paid, superstars. He hasn’t had to tinker a lot with his everyday lineup. Boone, IMHO, manages his pitching pretty well.
Hinch, OTOH, especially in Detroit, has had to mix and match. It seems every day is a different lineup. Players have all bought in and it seems to work. Maybe this change of scenery and managerial approach will get Gleyber’s brain to kick in.
rocky7
Don’t think you can re-wire a baseball brain regardless of manager….all that will happen are the inevitable sit downs after screwing up the same way Boone has done in NY……by the way…HInch had his share of “Superstars” in Houston too…….they may not have been as highly compensated but were regarded across the league as a “star laden lineup”….offensively, defensively, and pitching wise…..
McMillan-Piper
Yeah keep letting Scott Harris and our billionaire owner off the hook. This is incredibly embarrassing for this team.
HalosHeavenJJ
Solid one year deal. Detroit now has one anchor in the infield and likely isn’t done.
rocky7
Check in to my comment above….obviously you have not seen Gleyber play on a regular basis…..that anchor in the infield may come back to bite you in the you know what…..
HalosHeavenJJ
I’ve seen him a fair amount. I’ve definitely seen better but I’ve also seen worse.
If he puts up 2-2.5 WAR this deal works out very nicely for Detroit.
rocky7
As a Yankee fan, he has a propensity for screwing up at the most disadvantageous times……his offense is his calling card, but nothing great to see there either……..I don’t think WAR adequately describes his game……if Detroit is happy with him great….but the Yankees are happy to turn the page……
McMillan-Piper
You’re low IQ and easily entertained.
dasit
i’m sure gleyber’s agent gave the yankees a chance to match the offer but for whatever reason they’re done with him (cashman even threw some shade). he’s a frustrating defender and baserunner but a legit leadoff man. word of advice: he needs someone on his ass every day to stay focused. tigers should pick a coach and give him this assignment. i’ll miss him and i’m happy he went to a contender
YankeesBleacherCreature
Jack Curry mentioned it a while back that the Yankees weren’t interested in bringing him back. I thought that if his price was low enough (like 1/$15) that they may change course.
Fair deal for the Tigers. If Gleyber has a good season, they can flip him or offer a Q.O. for a draft pick.
dasit
yeah if they didn’t want him back at 1/15 then he was truly dead to them
warnbeeb
See my post. Hinch mixes and matches pretty well. Torres, if he buys in and trusts AJ, may flourish this year in Motown.
Well said.
Detroit coaching staff is real good at getting the most out of players. Looks like a steal to me at 15m.
stymeedone
Its a great price for someone they didn’t need. Maybe Harris can get a good deal on a LH Outfielder as an encore. Detroit doesn’t need another one of those either.
If they are going to bargain bin shop, could they at least stay to the shopping list?
JakeyV19
Shows the tigers must be really high on Lee and/or Mcgonigle where not wanting to block the position is relevant
Motor City Beach Bum
Jung is a 2B as well and won a gold glove there two years ago. They had him and Keith playing out of position last year because Keith’s throwing arm was injured a couple years back.
McMillan-Piper
What? Not blocking the position would be not signing a moron like Torres to begin with?
❤️ MuteButton
Remember George Springer. Remember Carlos Correa. Beware of Alex Bregman.
HalosHeavenJJ
Marwin Gonzalez
Tyat dude straight stole money.
Rsox
To be fair, Springer and Correa haven’t been terrible with their new teams and Bregman has still been good in the post-trash can era
dasit
springer was truly terrible this season. it was painful to watch because of all the dynasty astros he’s the only one i like
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Playing on that turf has to take a toll on your body
WeTheOnes
Probably not a pivot from Bregman, but maybe a little insurance (assisted by positional versatility and/or a potential trade) if they are outbid by the Red Sox for Bregman.
dasit
i wouldn’t describe gleyber as a roll of the dice. he never gets hurt and has been more consistent than most players. he’s high floor medium ceiling. tigers will get their money’s worth
McMillan-Piper
Are you f’n kidding me? Alex Cobb and Gleybor Torres accounting for $30 million of the Tigers payroll this season. Thats a joke and a slap in the face to the fans after what they just pulled off this past season.
dasit
don’t know the tiger payroll situation but 1 war is going for 8M these days so in a vacuum i believe the tigers will receive more than market value
WeTheOnes
Of course, he can be flipped if they aren’t in contention or heck, even if they are slightly in contention. Shoot, he might be flipped anyway since they have second basemen prospects in the pipeline unless the Tigers are on a roll and they do not want to disrupt something….it’s obvious, the front office is straight business and players are just pieces to a puzzle…
Seamaholic
Good cheap add for the Tigers. I really like this team, especially if the division is as piss-bad as it looks like it will be. If only they hadn’t spent so much on Baez back in the day, Oh well, spilt milk under the bridge.
McMillan-Piper
Another moronic take. Easily pleased Tigers fan requiring absolutely nothing of the front office. Sure we’ll take everyone’s leftovers and scraps sure why not, we’re Detroit after all.
ThonolansGhost
Not a bad move at all. 2025 is going to be a good year for the Tigers.
McMillan-Piper
100% guarantee they’re going to blow the season because they’re already blowing the offseason. They’re purposely tanking this team.
CheapBloom
I really thought a one year deal with high AAV for Torres was the right move for the Red Sox. A right handed bat at a position of need, but only until Campbell is ready. Sox missed out on a solid bridge 2B in my opinion
Rsox
Rafaela, Grissom, Gonzalez, Sogard, plenty of bridges to Campbell. 2B is Grissom’s to lose as they have to see if they got anything for Sale
bravesfan
This is without question, a deal the Braves should have done to upgrade SS. And yes, before yall get all up in a tizzy about his defense at short, yes… I’m aware. But Braves fans way over state how well Arcia plays defense as his metrics are just league avg. and his bat is one of the worst in the league. The minor drop off in defense with the large offensive increase for a 1 year deal is well worth it. It’s just silly that we weren’t in on this
Rsox
It’s not an uograde when the player you bring in is worse than the guy he replaces. Nacho Alvarez put up solid numbers in the minors last season and should get a strong look in spring training for the Braves this year
deej
Torres is not a SS. He is barely a 2B now. He is really a DH.
Rsox
$15 million for one year of Torres by no means takes the Tigers out on Bregman. Keith and Torkelson could share 1B/DH duties, which sounds like the plan with or without Bregman anyway
Motor City Beach Bum
I’d rather see Malloy than Tork at this point but I agree with your take.
Rsox
The team will have some kind of OF rotation of Carpenter/Greene/Malloy/Perez and Vierling serving as a IF/OF utility player
Motor City Beach Bum
Harris said Malloy would be trying out a 1B mitt too (in addition to Keith). I wonder if they are going to trade Tork?
Seamaholic
Someone would take him but they aren’t getting anything back. More likely they’ll hold him until spring, see if he looks any different, and if not just cut him.
Motor City Beach Bum
He has an option still so more likely he goes to AAA. Harris called him and said he told him he has a place on the team if he earns in the spring.
GooseGoslinGuy
Maikel Franco, anyone??
Motor City Beach Bum
Or to a 1B needy team in a package for another change of scenery candidate. Baty with NYM, SD for a high priced vet to yrim their payroll, Pitts for Hayes, Seattle ??? All possibilities.
stymeedone
Keith is the guy they signed long term. He’s not going to share a position. Torkelson will now be battling Malloy for the short side of the DH platoon.
Bluemarlin528
Smart move picking the Tigers over the Angels.
AllAboutBaseball
One Year not bad for Detroit
YanksPhan42
At that small cost, the Yankees should have considered bringing him back in!
Brassroo
In the end, GT bring us a bit more depth and more MLB average hitting. Need to dump Zack. Not sure this gets us there. What is the corresponding move ??
Frankie Bani
Good luck LAZY MAN
Luke Strong
Seems to me this sets them up to trade Colt Keith. He looks to be the most obvious odd man out. He doesn’t play third, he’s no longer playing second here, he doesn’t have the bat or experience to play first, and he’s on a reasonable contract. Plus, he’s a lefty bat and they are loaded with lefties.
Tomas80
Confirmed that Keith is moving to first
Luke Strong
They can say that but it’s hardly confirmed. There is still a major roster problem with Keith at 1st. They wouldn’t come out saying they’re looking to trade him, it’s a situation where it just gets announced once it’s finalized.
Seamaholic
They’re not trading Keith.
Motor City Beach Bum
Trading Keith makes zero sense. Trading Tork does.
Luke Strong
Does it though? Tork isn’t worth much right now, they’d basically be giving him away for some other reclamation project that’ll probably wind up a bust. But, Keith has value, quite a bit of it is based on the if-come. And let’s be honest about his game… his ceiling isn’t that high, he seems like a guy who is capped at 2 WAR, but with his contract the way it is, he could be dealt for a legit young player who fills a more obvious need and they could find someone who is a better roster fit. Of course, I’m not running any of this, and all we all can do is talk about it all in a fantastical and meaningless way like this, but I’d be looking to trade high on Keith right now and try to steal a better player.
Red Wings
Detroit News already has Harris stating Keith will be moved to 1B and Tork has a chance to make the team. Tork is done in Detroit.
stymeedone
Keith wasn’t the guy who didn’t fit. He was the one part of the infield that could be written in ink, going into the off season. They were looking for “just in case” options at 1B. SS was likely Sweeney sharing the job with Baez or Kreidler. 3B was some mishmash of Vierling/McKinstry/Jung/Ibanez, or a new acquisition. Until this signing. Now, no one that was with the infield last year is assured of anything.
This was a move for the sake of making a move. This was never the plan.
Motor City Beach Bum
Keith’s defense at 2B was not much better than Torres. If his arm is screwed then 1B makes sense. Getting Torres bat improves the team.
The plan was to get a RH bat which they did. Hopefully they get another one too.
84LeFlore
Plus, they did it without mortgaging several years of a position. McGonigle looks like the Tigers 2B of the future – possibly beginning in 2026.
dano62
Sticking it to boras is a great way to end 2024, and getting Torres on the original 2-year deal w/a 1-year player opt-out is a nice touch. Tigers continue to emerge, he should play like someone trying to earn a new deal (aka as second-half Torres); if the team takes a step back (hard to see with Twins, Guards easing up) he’s trade deadline fodder. Meanwhile if I’m the Mariners I’m sticking to a 4-year $100m offer for Bregman with a player opt-out after year two…
McMillan-Piper
You’re an idiot.
CO Guardening
Since that 2019 juiced ball season, only Aaron Judge remains as a Yankee regular, and the only one who’s power remains legit.
GooseGoslinGuy
Looking at all that uncertainty, it’s a miracle these guys made the playoffs last year, Skubal notwithstanding.
84LeFlore
Wow. Torres is definitely going to play 2B for the Tigers in ’25. And Colt is moving to 1B. From Det News:
“He may move back to second base in the future but for 2025, our best team has Gleyber at second and Colt Keith at first,” Harris said.
“My message to Tork was, ‘If you have a big offseason and a big spring training, there is a role for you,” Harris said. “This team needs right-handed power and we’ve seen Tork do that in the past. He reminded me how hard he was working. He seems determined to demonstrate that he deserves a role on this team, too.”
stymeedone
I just have no faith that he will have a big spring, concluded Harris. Besides, I don’t want to win with Al Avila’s players. If Chris Illitch wasn’t so tight on the purse strings, I would have moved them all out by now and replaced them with players I got to pick. (Alledgedly)
Motor City Beach Bum
Dude you need to see a therapist about your Harris hate. Did he give you a wedgie in high school or something;)
Most of the team is “Avila’s guys” as you say. It’s his job to add to that and Tork sucked last year so why shouldn’t he have to earn his spot this year?
PrincessYuki
Are there no free agents that are fans of the 1995 Mariners? Considering that 2025 is the 30th anniversary any fans of the 1995 Mariners would want to play for the 2025 Mariners to see if they can do something even more special for Seattle.
Viveleempireevil
Forget Sandy Alcantara. You are still going to need a SS. Unless you think Baez is the long-term solution. The Evil Empire will be happy to deal you George Lombard Jr. and Will Warren (or Stroman) for Jung. Helps both clubs.
dasit
signing torres doesn’t make a lot of sense for the tigers unless it’s the prelude to another deal. i’d give up lombard/warren for jung in a nanosecond but i doubt that offer keeps the tigers on the phone
ryrockak
He was signed to play 2B. He’s not playing 3rd
Goose
That’s a good deal for a guy on a down year and entering his age 27 season. Now the question is Torres going to play 3rd because he turned down the Nats offer to play 3rd or are the Tigers going to go out and sign Bregman or get a real 3B.
McMillan-Piper
So many terrible takes on this signing. We already have many o’ players lined up for 2nd base. Typical Tigers trash move. Typical idiotic Scott Harris move. Typical Illitch move. Tired of this.
Tomas80
Tired of making the playoffs? Ok.
Motor City Beach Bum
Guess you could just go cheer for someone else since they are soooo bad. Terrible that they made the playoffs and were one of the final four AL teams. They should just cut that Skubal guy for winning that triple crown thing.
Red Wings
Tigers have 5 blue chip prospects expected to be in Detroit by 26-27. Currently play CF, C, 1B, SS, and SS. Giving out long term FA contracts would be foolish to block these prospects. Stop whining about Ilitch being cheap, it’s good resource management. Just need another SP.
84LeFlore
Exactly!
And there’s the matter of the current roster players who won the first playoff round in a decade. Those guys still have room to improve, too, as they continue their education from that 6-week crash course.
andyger63
Buh bye Gleyber. Laziest player in MLB. From a Yankee fan.
Well said.
You signed him right at 15m for one year. They wanted is right hand bat. I expect them to play him part time at 2nd and dh. Colt will play 2nd and 1st with his left hand bat. Tork will play 1st and dh with his right hand bat. 3b is still a question mark but they do have guys who can play there. I would have preferred trading tork to the marlins for j. Bride. He has a real nice swing and plays a good 1st base. Detroit, and other teams. Blew it last year when they didn’t claim duke Ellis off waviers. Yankee property now. Big time speed. Might be the fastest player in mlb.
Hard to walk with four balls
I don’t hate this signing, it’s a low risk signing because of the one year and really it is on him to perform to secure his future in baseball. Hopefully he will be motivated like he should be.
MPrck
Gt rat signing, and at fair market value. Come on down Colt Keith to first base.. He can stay the whole season or move at the deadline. Perfect signing for Detroit, hits every favorable box for the team
Wow, rarely does any team ever get a perfect signing like this. This already is a perfect off season for the team. Great pick up !
Reynaldo's
Mariners don’t need this guy or Bregman.
Mynameisnoname
Torres would have had only 9 HR at Comerica last year acc’d to savant. One of the leagues worst base runners -4.5bsr last year. Very apathetic defender- 7th percentile arm, 14th percentile range.
Overdue for a change of scenery, but he picked a terrible offensive venue to rebuild his value.
gotigers68
Well, he’s got a year to prove himself….
gotigers68
Well, the first non-yawner for the Tigers !! It wouldn’t have been my first move, but now add Bregman and Flaherty…..