With the Yankees in need of infield help, both Alex Bregman and Nolan Arenado have been linked to the club this offseason, with the idea being that one would become New York’s new third baseman and Jazz Chisholm Jr. would become the full-time second baseman. However, during an edition of the YES Network’s “Yankees Hot Stove” show earlier this week, Jack Curry said that the Bronx Bombers weren’t in on either Bregman or Arenado, and pushed back on the idea that the Yankees ever had interest in trading for Arenado.
This runs counter to last week’s report (from MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, John Denton, and Bryan Hoch) that the Yankees offered Marcus Stroman to the Cardinals as part of a trade package for Arenado, though St. Louis rejected the deal. As always with seemingly contradictory offseason reports, the truth could lie somewhere in the middle. Hypothetically, it could be that New York’s interest in Arenado was limited to this scenario that would’ve seen Stroman’s salary moved off the team’s books.
Whatever the depth of the Yankees’ interest in Arenado might be, it could be a moot point if Arenado himself isn’t interested in joining the team. The Yankees aren’t one of the six clubs (the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, Red Sox) Arenado is reportedly willing to waive his no-trade protection to join, and Arenado has already vetoed a proposed deal to the Astros. There was speculation that New York’s deal with Paul Goldschmidt was made in part to entice Arenado to accept a trade to the Bronx to join his old teammate, yet Curry’s report seems to close the door on that possibility.
In addition to signing Goldschmidt and Max Fried, the Yankees have also traded for Cody Bellinger, Devin Williams, and Fernando Cruz, as GM Brian Cashman has aggressively reloaded the roster after Juan Soto left to sign with the Mets. Even with some holes left to be addressed, New York is projected (by RosterResource) for a luxury tax number of $303.2MM, and thus the team is already over the maximum penalty threshold of $301MM.
The Yankees could reduce their tax bill by trying to move Stroman or another unfavorable contract, yet the payroll situation might hint at why Arenado or Bregman aren’t (or no longer are) on the radar. Signing Bregman would require a far higher investment than taking most or all of Arenado’s contract in a trade, plus since Bregman rejected Houston’s qualifying offer, the Yankees would need to give up two draft picks and $1MM in international bonus pool money. Since the Bombers already paid that extra penalty to sign another qualified free agent in Fried, the club would very likely prefer to avoid further depleting its draft pool and bonus pool by adding Bregman.
If the Yankees are indeed out on Bregman, that leaves the Phillies, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Mets, and Tigers as teams known to have some level of interest in Bregman’s services this winter. Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free Press shed a little more light on the Tigers’ link in the latest edition of the Days of Roar podcast, noting that “there has been an increase in the Tigers’ prioritization of Bregman” as the offseason has developed, with “more dialogue, more conversation” between the club and Bregman’s camp.
Heading into the offseason, Detroit was viewed as a logical landing spot for Bregman for multiple reasons — his past history with manager A.J. Hinch, the lack of long-term money on the Tigers’ books, and the perception that the Tigers were going to be aggressive in the wake of their Cinderella run to the ALDS last season. The latter point hasn’t played out to date, as Alex Cobb’s one-year, $15MM deal represents the Motown team’s only major investment of the winter.
Bregman’s reported asking price of at least $200MM appears to be the hold-up, as the Tigers aren’t willing to spend to that level. What remains unclear is if Detroit is willing to at least approach Bregman’s demands, or if the team is aiming lower overall. Most of the free agents or trade targets publicly linked to the Tigers in rumors this winter (i.e. Goldschmidt, Carlos Santana, Walker Buehler, Kirby Yates, Erick Fedde, Steven Matz, Andrew Heaney, Kyle Gibson) are either already under contract on short-term deals, or would likely require only one- or two-year investments. Apart from Bregman, Jack Flaherty and Ha-Seong Kim are the other free agents on the Tigers’ list of targets that would require bigger contracts, and even Kim’s situation is fluid due to the lingering uncertainty surrounding his shoulder surgery.
Bregman already turned down a reported six-year, $156MM offer from the Astros earlier this winter, which was the first step towards what now looks like the end of a reunion possibility between the third baseman and his longtime team. Acquiring corner infielder Isaac Paredes in the Kyle Tucker trade left open the possibility that Bregman could still be re-signed and Paredes could play first base in Houston, but the Astros’ three-year, $60MM deal with first baseman Christian Walker has now addressed the team’s needs in the corner infield.
While not officially stating that the Astros were now out on Bregman, GM Dana Brown left things pretty clear by stating “Paredes is going to play third and Walker is going to play first” when speaking with reporters (including the Houston Chronicle’s Matt Kawahara) earlier this week. Brown felt “the negotiations stalled” with Bregman’s camp, leaving the Astros in search of an alternative.
“I thought we made a really competitive offer and showed that we wanted [Bregman] back,” Brown said. “But we had to pursue other options, we couldn’t just sit there. We locked in Paredes early in that trade knowing that he could play third or first. And then when the opportunity to add another bat [Walker] came up, we just jumped on it.”
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I feel like Jazz Chisholm is the newer, younger DJ LeMahieu for the Yankees- undefined utility infielder who’s got starting position player qualities but isn’t viewed as locked into any one position- and so they actually do have a couple of internal solutions in DJLM and Chisholm, but they prefer to use Chisholm to replace Gleyber on a daily basis and consider DJLM to be superfluous and unreliable so they aren’t really factoring him into their plans- he’s just kinda on the 40-man roster and if he plays and is effective, great, but don’t bet on it?
itsmeheyhii
DJL seems pretty shot, though. Jazz should be a reliable league-average bat at least.
deweybelongsinthehall
Jazz’s calling card is speed and energy. I’m not sure how he’ll handle a full season in NY. Hopefully well for the Yankees’ sake.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@dewey
Why do you doubt he’ll do well? That RF wall loves him and he seemed to enjoy NY. His OPS jumped from .730 to .825 and he hit more homers in 176 AB vs 386 with Miami.
deweybelongsinthehall
Pressure. He was the new kid in town and did great but in the playoffs, I don’t recall him doing anything (am I wrong?). One post season is nothing but it leaves me worried a bit
Mynameisnoname
Jazz’s swing has a lot of moving parts so he’s always been streaky. He showed he can go 30-30 with room to spare if he stays healthy- his history of which is more concerning to me than pressure.
In fact, I’d say he rather enjoyed the additional attention. We’ll see how the encore goes soon enough.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
If DJLM doesn’t have a no-trade clause, the Yankees should investigate packaging him with a 40-grade prospect and some money to a team like the A’s who need to increase payroll to maintain revenue sharing.
outinleftfield
Yankees are going to have to part with a prospect with actual value in order to get rid of DJLM. He has negative value and too much money left to attach just a prospect with a 40 FV to get rid of him. 40 FV indicates a MLB upside of below average. Two negatives do not equal a reason for any team to take on $30 million
The Yankees only have 1 prospect in the top 100 and don’t have many of the 50-55 FV level prospects it would take to get rid of DJLM. I just don’t see them trading Warren or Hampton just to get rid of DJLM. Maybe a couple of mid-level prospects like Pereira and Rodriguez-Cruz? Guys that at least have a chance of contributing at the MLB level.
DR2020
that’s what I’m hoping for
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Trill I’m not saying you intended to categorize him in a negative fashion, but the term “undefined utility” feels almost derogatory. I would say he’s more swiss-army than jack-of-all, master of none. He would have been our starting 2b if Torres wasn’t on the roster.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah. I guess my point is that Chisholm was great at third base, so why not keep him there, find someone else to man 2nd?
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
Because he is better up the middle and good 3rd baseman are easier to find.
BLIN7Y
Doesn’t seem that way
slider32
Yanks won the world series with Brousis at 3rd, you can’t address every position.. DJ, Peraza, and Vivas are at turning points in their careers, I would give them a shot! If the want to make a difference now I would sign Scott in the pen. This would shorten the game more with Weaver, Williams, and Scott and also give them a lefty! Another option that would work is Kim, he won’t cost as much, gives the Yanks more versatilty, and can lead off.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Trill and @Super
I think Cashman is smart in that he’s using the versatility of Jazz correctly. I think he’s looking for the best option in finding either a 3b or 2b. Jazz was traded and immediately asked to play 3b and bendy of his athleticism had done a good job there and I think they trust him to take a many reps they’re in preparation to man 3b next season. But if they can find a good enough solution, they’ll move him back to 2b. But if a better course of action lead them to bring in a good 2b, then they’ll keep him at 3b. Still a lot of time to figure it out.
@Super it’s much harder to find a good 3b than a.2b
2b are usually failed SS.
DR2020
Let’s hope so, that’s what they’re banking on
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
What good 2B are actually available right now? Gleyber, who they just yeeted, and maybe Lowe from TB? Neither are good defensively. Right now Bregman, Arenado, Bohm are all some amount of available. Heck, you could even take a shot on Moncada and hope he finally puts it all together. Far more 3B available right now, hence easier to find.
Blue Baron
slider32: Who’s Vivas?
YaGottaBelieveAgain
He played more 2B with MIA. On BR they have it 167 at 2B to 45 at 3B over 6 seasons (under appearances)
I guess it would be helpful if you could view as much video of him playing each position plus multiple scouts’ opinion – actual eye test, fielding statistics etc.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Super
In terms of this years FA market, I would agree that the 2nb base pool is more shallow. in general, I think 3b is a tougher position to find competent players, defensively.
outinleftfield
Chisholm hit well while playing 3B, but the defense he showed there was not encouraging. He was a -2 DRS. He has really good range but not the arm to stick at the hot corner. That is why everyone is talking about him as a 2B in the Bronx next season.
jerseyjohn
Outinleft: I disagree somewhat. He actually looked like he could be really good over there with some practice. His arm strength was more than fine, I think with some training he could be an above-average guy at 3rd. The way the Yankees are approaching the offseason seems to show that they agree. If it becomes necessary finding a 2nd baseman is much easier than finding a decent option for 3rd.
outinleftfield
It was only 45 games, but 7 errors and a -2 DRS spell it out pretty well. Chisholm is not a 3B.
The Yankees have not been mentioned as being interested in a single 2B but they have been mentioned in connection with several 3B. That also spells it out pretty well. Chisholm will be at 2B come opening day unless the Yankees stumble into a great deal on a 2B.
jerseyjohn
Outfield: We shall see. I watched Jazz play and most of his errors were of the stupid variety. He has an above average arm and is rangy as hell.
jerseyjohn
I should add they haven’t been mentioned for a 2nd baseman because they’re done spending. They will go with someone internal for 2nd and call it a day. I’d like to see Peraza finally show something but who knows.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@outinleft
Yanks have been mentioned in bring insured in a few 2b in trade discussions. I’m hoping for Arraez. I’ll take his bass glove for his offensive upside.
DR2020
because he’s not a natural third base, and second base is supposed to be his forte.
I think they’ve finally learned, stop playing players out of position it certainly weird. It’s ugly head in the World Series, especially in the fifth inning that will go down in history as being one of the biggest chokes ever.
DR2020
that is correct, it is self evident, and if they really need someone for third, Cashman will do something at the trade deadline, which is what he likes to do because you get the player at half price at that point. They upgraded it several positions already including pitching. And you don’t need an all-star at every position nor can you have one even the Dodgers can’t do that. So they should be OK filling in at third with what they already have.
jerseyjohn
Blue: Vivas is the guy acquired from the Dodgers with Gonzalez, for Trey Sweeney. Lefty with some pop, little guy but nice YS swing. He or Peraza are the best internal candidates for 2nd.
rottenboyfriend
The Yankees are poorly run! 303M payroll and U still need a 3rd baseman? U have more than twice the league average payroll yearly and haven’t won a championship since 2009!
Steinbrenner needs to dump Cashman! He has been their like 20 years and the only thing he is good at is spending Hal’s money! U have one World Series appearance over the past 15 years! Wake up Yankee fans!
KnicksFanCavsFan
@rotten
They need a 3b because the 2b is a FA they don’t want back. So technically, they have a 3b and need a 2b but will take the best available to play opposite of Jazz. Relax bro. Every team needs something. The winter is far from over and there’s still plenty of candidates on the FA or trade market.
DR2020
that’s for sure. What team has an All-Star at every position. What is this guy talking about. They already filled first base and outfielder, relief, pitching, and starting pitching. What else can a team do in one off-season they did more than I thought they would do already
of course, to be fair, it’s Cashman‘s fault they’re in this position to begin with since he could’ve filled some of these positions before this year, but it is what it is
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Literally every team always has some gap to fill, some aging, expensive player they have to figure out where to stash and replace whilst being unable to find a trade partner and without releasing them- even the Dodgers, right now, probably aren’t 100% satisfied with their roster construction and would love to make a couple of moves to improve.
DR2020
spot on, trillionaire. I mean, if the Yankees had your budget trillionaire, they wouldn’t be an issue. Lol.
padam
Personally I can’t stand the Yankees but wouldn’t say they’re poorly run. That rotation of Cole, Fried, Rodon, Gil, and Stroman with the top 4 your staff in the playoffs, I’d say is pretty damn good. Sprinkle in Williams and Weaver to close things out and I’d say there’s maybe a handful of teams that can compete with that.
Offensively, while losing Soto hurts, they’ve added Goldschmidt and Bellinger. Not shabby hitters, and outstanding defensively at their respective positions. If Chisholm sticks at 2B, and Volpe being at SS, that defense is pretty damn good.
Judge, Bellinger, Goldschmidt, Stanton, Chisholm, Volpe, and Dominguez are assured spots daily with two open at catcher and third. That’s not too shabby.
They made it to the WS, so I wouldn’t say they’re poorly run, and would think they’ll contend once again.
DR2020
that’s a damn good analysis for someone who was not a Yankees fan. I agree, wholeheartedly.
pjc1966
Rotation is Cole, Fried, Rodon, Gil and Schmidt. Stroman is long relief/swingman if somehow he’s not moved.
Anthony maresca
DJ wont make the roster once they land their new 3B or 2B addition. He is hanging around on borrowed time until they complete their roster.
jerseyjohn
I think they’ll leave Jazz at 3rd and go with a ST competition of Peraza, Vivas, Cabrera, and DJL for 2nd. DJL is really going to cripple the roster as Grisham, backup catcher, and backup SS, definitely need spots. I want Rice on the team so hoping he gets carried for catcher and 1st to spell the older Goldy.
Tigers3232
@Trillionaire Well in that case u should b very happy Jazz is there. Jazz just came out of his age 26 season. At that point in DJ’s career his 5 best seasons were to follow.
To simply compare the 2 while ignoring what point in their careers they are at is in no way accurate or meaningful. As for a every day utility player, they have become vital parts of most contenders rosters. NYY are going to have a huge void to fill in lineup with Soto gone. Jazz alone obviously does not do it nor willing other player. Collectively they can strengthen lineup, I understand Jazz is not the most inspiring bat, but they re gonna have to pull production from wherever possible if they would like a repeat of last season.
LordD99
Jack knows.
If he says the Yankees have an interest or don’t have an interest, you can take it to the bank.
tom brunanskys black sock
The blood bank, senator.
GhostofRandySavage
Steven Seagal quoted. Hell yeah
differentbears
that rando Seagal quote lol
Joe says...
Agreed LordD though Feinssnd and Hoch are typically reliable. This one is a bit confusing but I do lean more to Curry being right.
DR2020
Time will tell and it makes logical sense Joe. and by Arenados spray charts, he would not do well in Yankee, Stadium, which I’m sure the Yankees analytics team is aware of.
not to mention the fact that, as reported, they were already well above the final threshold of the cap, and will be spending a projected hundred million dollars in luxury tax this year, I would strongly doubt I wish to add to it.
Baseballisthebest
This is where listening to the complete interview instead of Polishuk’s opinion about what he said is so important. Then at the very least you know the questions Jack was asked.
Teamspirit
Mets should sign Arenado this year and Vlad Guerrero next year. Sorry Pete, you took too long. Call San Francisco or Seattle.
towinagain
Pete should call San Diego, but alas the Padres refuse to spend.
Baseballisthebest
Why in the world would the Padres want Alonso? Any infielder for that matter. They had so many last season they had to push a decent 2B with a 4 DRS to DH. In my not so humble opinion the Padres need some minor league depth in the infield and that’s it.
Devlsh
Give it a rest. The Padres were 11th by luxury tax payroll in 2024, behind all the larger market usual suspects while SD ranks 30th in sports team market size (just ahead of San Antonio).
Appreciate what you have and that thus far, your ownership has ponied up for a competitive payroll beyond other larger market teams (Pittsburgh, Baltimore, St. Louis, Cleveland, etc.) and that your GM has assembled a ballclub that might have been the 3rd best team last year.
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Wire to wire 2024
Who would they be giving up for arenado
PiazzaParty
Arenado isn’t a free agent so signing him isn’t an option. Vlad Guerrero is retired.
Giants have Wilmer and LaMonte Wade Jr. and the Mariners don’t do big FA contracts.
dannysbigboi
Pretty sure he means Vlad Guerrero Jr. but some people have to be smart allecks about it.
PiazzaParty
Some people appreciate attention to detail…it’s smart aleck btw not alleck.
dannysbigboi
Oh ok thanks for the correction. I’m Hispanic so I don’t really know the term. It wasn’t my first choice of words but I didn’t want to call you a donkey. We all knew he meant Jr, since us dedicated baseball fans know Vladdy Snr has been retired for a while now.
DR2020
that’s funny. Some people have to be so picky.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Piazza Hahaha you smard Alex .
Tigers3232
Mets can’t just sign Arenado. He must first b traded for then waive NTC after a deal is reached. Mets would then have to extend him.
It is quite possible they could do so. But it is not as simple as just signing him.
redsox for_life
Bregman to Boston 6/170
labial
Leaving Boston forever behind in the basement with another underwater contract? Ugh
Rocker49
It would reunite him with Cora, the man banging the trashcans in Houston. They could cheat again together in Boston.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Maybe this time they can cheat in some new way we haven’t even dreamed of. Steal a World Series and get to keep the title with a slap on the wrist. Cheating is a part of baseball culture though. Wish they would bring back beaning guys that look at you funny.
thickiedon
Boston should be actively shopping Devers
letitbelowenstein
Sox would have to swallow 3/4 of Devers’ money for a trade.
thickiedon
So you’re saying it’s a bad contract?!?
Sarcasm aside, this is what makes MLB contracts despicable. At time of extension less than a year ago, it was viewed as team friendly. Only one year into it and Devers actually performed better than his average and it’s considered a bad deal (and justly so). Anyone that’s followed sports the last 10-25 years could foresee this dude to be injured, out of shape, unplayable in the field, and underperforming all while eating up bench space as a hindrance to payroll and roster development. SOOOO many examples of this and unfortunately the players’ union and agents do nothing to change things. Sorry for the rant.
deweybelongsinthehall
Not 3/4 but we knew it was an overpay then. If Yoshida leaves, forget the contract and just let him mash as a DH.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@think
it’s not the responsibility of the agent not the union to force owners to reign in their spending.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Rein, as in the reins on a horse.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Astro
thanks
Candlestoked
It’s reigning men!
Baseballisthebest
That is what I am talking about. Relatively short deal for a huge upgrade on defense at 3B. That alone will win games.
A full year of Casas, more of the year of Story with him on the field for 100-110 games, Devers at DH and occasionally at 1B instead of hurting the team on D at 3B.
Then Breslow just needs to add a right handed bat in the OF. In a trade of Yoshida?
DirtyWater04
I think Bregman has 3 or 4 years left as a 3 to 5 WAR player. That would put his expected value at a slight premium to Matt Chapman – my preference would be to see if he’d meet in the middle and do 4/$150 to $160. Same dollar value as Chapman on a shorter term, i.e higher AAV. If he really insists on going to 5 or 6 years, maybe they can hammer out some kind of option structure that would give the Sox the ability to pay him to go away at that point?
Tigers3232
@Dirty The only we he’s getting $40M AAV would be if he were willing to take a 1 or 2 year deal. He’s obviously not going to. So if he’s looking for $200M I see it taking 7/8 years and/or deferred $.
nukeg
That’s about the only scenario I see is to reunite Bregman and Cora. I think Bregman and Altuve are forever linked to the Houston debacle and have some level of taint. There are many fan bases that cringe at the idea of having Bregman wear their uniform.
Astrosfn1979
Only the media and fans care about the cheating scandal.
ThecYankees signed Marwin freaking Gonzalez for heavens sakes.
It’s a shame about Bregman. I get the hate from fans about the scandal. The Astros earned that.
However, I don’t understand the hatred toward Bregman. He was a 23 yr old in his first full season in the bigs. What, was he supposed to tell Carlos Beltran to cut it out?
Best Screenname Ever
No thanks. Bregman’s .315 OBP isn’t getting him anywhere near that from the Red Sox. Poor decision on his part to turn down $156million from Houston. The only team that’s going to give him that now is Toronto, who are desperate for someone to take their money.
all in the suit that you wear
I am leaning toward not wanting the Red Sox to sign Bregman. I only want Bregman for 3B with Devers moving to DH or 1B (which means Casas or Yoshida needs to be traded). If you lock up a middle infield of SS Story and 2B Bregman, then where will Mayer and Campbell play? Can Mayer play 3B someday when Devers moves to DH? I don’t know. In a move to the OF, Campbell probably only makes sense in CF where Duran and Rafaela are now. I am assuming Roman Anthony takes over in RF (and what happens to Abreu then?). Because of all this, I only like getting Bregman for 3B with Devers moving to DH or 1B which doesn’t seem possible now. So, I don’t think it makes sense to add Bregman as things stand now. Additionally, if they add Bregman and trade Mayer and Campbell, then we will be stuck with an older team after trading away the good young players. All of this may be why it is rumored that the Red Sox are divided internally about signing Bregman.
DirtyWater04
I think your assessment is spot on. For me, my preferred way for it all to go down is:
1. Sign Bregman to play third base, move Devers to DH.
2. Trade Yoshida and Abreu – doesn’t necessarily have to be both in the same deal, but one has to go to make room for Devers and the other has to go to make room for Anthony. Given Yoshida is overpaid a little bit, maybe making them a package deal removes that issue since Abreu still carries surplus economic value at this stage
3. Assume Campbell is the 2B of the future. Story is a sunk cost at this point, so if it’s up to me I say just go ahead and make the transition once Campbell plays his way into forcing it. Maybe it’s spring training, maybe it’s later in the year. If it’s later in the year, maybe (like 1% chance) we might be able to eat a massive chunk of Story’s deal and get someone to take him off our hands if he’s healthy and looking alright
4. Assume Mayer sticks at shortstop – people always thought Bogey was going to have to move off short too and that fear proved to be unfounded. Unless he becomes an actual butcher, let him stick there. It will help being flanked by an actual third baseman and not Devers.
5. Outfield mix – Duran, Rafaela, Anthony in the long term. I’m in favor of signing a RH power bat to take pressure off of Anthony since he’s still just 20, That will again leave us with someone “extra” if Anthony proves he doesn’t need much or any more time seasoning in the Minors, but otherwise would be a good hedge against the group’s health and the chance that maybe Anthony faces a learning curve and doesn’t rake on day one. If it really becomes problematic, somebody in the group will have trade value.
all in the suit that you wear
DW04: It certainly doesn’t seem like an easy set of circumstances for Breslow to resolve. They could possibly trade Yoshida to the Cards as part of a deal for Arenado. Then Arenado could play 3B for 3 years and Devers could move to DH.
vinc3nt3
They had a right handed power bat and didn’t offer him a QO
DirtyWater04
Oh I’m well aware. Keeping O’Neill was my preferred RH power bat because I figured he was the most realistic for a shorter term. That hope was quickly dashed so I’m on to pining for Teoscar – also probably not gonna happen, but we’ll see. Dodgers seem to be negotiating just stubbornly enough with him it might open up the door.
DirtyWater04
Oh yeah, lots of moving parts which complicates everything. Fun to think about the possibilities too, but glad I don’t have to be the one on the phone 24/7 hammering out all the finer details.
DirtyWater04
I want Bregman for his glove more than his bat, but if you look at his career splits by ballpark I see a lot less reason to worry about him than his counting stats might suggest.
Overall, he has hit fine in Houston while hitting very poorly in Seattle and Texas, and decent in Anaheim. Looking at AL East ballparks, he’s raked in Boston and done well in Baltimore. He’s been shockingly bad in Yankee stadium but a .231 BABIP and 24 games give you no reason to think that’s anything other than not having amassed enough PA’s there for very bad luck to normalize.
Not that I’m expecting the ballpark mix to turn him into 2001 Barry Bonds or anything, but moving the majority of his games out of the AL West and into more hitter-friendly parks will definitely help mask his deteriorating skills at the plate as long as it’s a slower, more measured decline and not a sudden, off a cliff type of decline. He’s athletic enough to make the former a worthy bet.
If Bregman can deliver ~$125 million worth of on-field production, help guide the youth movement as the kids start getting called up since he was once in their shoes as a top prospect with high expectations and can help them navigate that, and erase the substantially negative defensive value of Devers at 3B (an average of -0.6 dWAR per year and trending worse) – he is absolutely easily worth $150-160.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Bregman can also add value for the pitchers. At Houston, he would have the pitchers throw their best stuff to him and he would provide feedback from a batter’s point of view. He is very disciplined at the plate and reads pitches pretty well.
WadeBoggsWildRide
BlueJays or the bargain bin.
Rsox
Good or bad the Yankees still have LeMahieu under contract for the next two seasons to the tune of $30+ million, so either they play him, trade him, or cut him. All three of those options will cost them money, and two out of three will cost them the full amount. It would be silly to go spend another $30 million to bring in someone else when they are on the hook for LeMahieu while also having Cabrera and Peraza as in-house options
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah, LeMahieu seems to be the nagging question that doesn’t have a clear or palatable answer and therefore they don’t feel certain about their strategy or plans for the infield because of him-=
$30M left- he could always bounce back to a solid 65% of the player they signed him to be, which would be enough to not need to bring in any free agents or trade for anybody.
I still find it odd that they have Chisholm, who played fantastically for them in the second half of the regular season, who is, again, basically another LeMahieu in terms of being a quality utility infielder and was perfectly fine to borderline excellent at third base… and they seem to be discounting him as an option at third.
Salzilla
I don’t think they’re discounting Jazz, but he gives them the option to pursue either/or. The 3rd base market has the bigger names so it makes the bigger news for now. There’s almost zero 2nd base news percolating at the moment.
Also, I don’t think DJ is holding anything up. He’s our util, not a starter. If we can trade him great, but he’s fine as a backup. I also think should a deal or trade to Cashman’s liking not come, he’d be fine to start the year with at 2nd. I think a lot DJ’s decline was directly due to injury, should he have full health, I’d be curious to see how he does.
I do think a trade for Arenado makes the most sense especially if we can get them to bite on one of our bad contracts in return (DJ or Stro) along with a prospect.
deweybelongsinthehall
DJL is a pro and would many be surprised if because of injuries, he plays and delivers? No one is expecting what he did with the juiced ball or short season thereafter. Just a respectable .260 with steady defense.
Anthony maresca
He is not our utility. There is novway they going with a 36 yr old washed up injured prone player what is only 4 spots! Cabrera, Grisham and catcher hold first 3 spots and Peraza is out of options for the last spot who can play all 3 IF positions but 1B. They wont release Peraza and Cabrera plays all 4 IF spots plus OF so DJ is going to need a miracle. He will be a complete waste of roster spot seeing virtually no playing time.
Salzilla
Peraza, to me, is the odder man out. I think he’ll be traded while he still retains some value. He’s worth more than DJ at this point. DJ is too expensive. That said, don’t get all tangled up in DJ’s decline without attributing it to injuries because they are obviously tied together. If he’s healthy, there’s no guarantee he’ll be bad. Either way, if you think DJ won’t play if he’s on the team, you are sorely mistaken. Between his contract and Boone’s loyalty, if he’s not traded he will get his shot to prove he can still do it. If anything it’ll increase his value if he does well enough.
DR2020
I would be, he hasn’t had a healthy season in years and or played well either. If he suddenly resurrected himself at his ripe old age, it would be quite surprising at this point age and injuries have caught up with him. It appears. Would it be welcome of course but I doubt it highly
DR2020
that’s correct, if he’s on the team, he will be played because they owe him money. It’s simple math. But the million dollar question is, can he be free of injuries, and I doubt it he has not been free of them for years. So I would be shocked if he wasn’t injured again somehow. As you get older, the chance of injuries are much more likely. It’s just the way things go. Unfortunately.
DR2020
Second, is his natural position, jazz that is,trillionaire, and would make sense to move him there. You can’t have all star at every position.if everyone performs to expectations, including the Martian, third base can be a little weak with a combination of Cabrera and DJ or whatever else they have in mind, such as peraza.Of course that assumes all the planets are online perfectly. I guess time will tell.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Trill
I disagree. I don’t think they are leaning on DJ for anything than an excitement utility guy who hopefully, can fill in of someone is injured. But there’s no debate, no uncertainties about the fact they are looking for someone from outside the organization to fill either 2b or 3b, opposite of Jazz.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Granted- DJLM was always factored into their roster construction as a super utility player who’d be an expensive bench player to spot their starting infielders at any given position, as needed, or fill in long term in the event of a significant IL stint or whatever- but when he was at his peak they bent over backwards to find him playing time and now he’s taking up a roster spot and they want to get as much value out of him as possible since they can’t use his roster spot to pick up anybody else- so he still hamstrings them in that way, even if they were never leaning on LeMahieu, even in his prime.
differentbears
Holy moly. Two more seasons?!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Cashman/The Yankees did this to themselves. He was asking for 4 to 5 years at $20M-$25M per season, both versions of his free agency contract would have already concluded by now.
Instead, Cashman and the Yankees wanted to be clever and lower his AAV by a few million per season by adding extra years to his deal and now here they are, with those extra years a massive albatross.
Obviously in hindsight, the Yankees should have walked away from LeMahieu, or they should have rewarded him with another 2 years at top top dollar, so like 2 years/$60M and then walked away.
Either way- it’s an unfortunate situation for the Yankees and a player like LeMahieu, who earned his right to get free agency money, but was at that awkward age where the drop off was inevitable and everybody hoped the decline wouldn’t be so immediate and all encompassing.
DR2020
yes an excellent point, one I’ve made my self many times. it’s really a four year contract, that they extended out to six years for luxury tax purposes, so they do it to themselves. You could look at it ,as he already earned his money and the remaining two years is free of charge.. they could just cut them. But of course, the Yankees conveniently forget this and now look at it as it’s a six year contract when it’s actually a four year contract ,the money just spread out. If you know what I mean.no reason they can’t cut him and I’m sure they will just as they had done Hicks, if they see that again this year he is less than useless.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
My feeling is, if the Yankees want to do something like this, just do what the Dodgers do and suggest these guys get large upfront signing bonuses and defer large portions of their salaries in the form of long term guaranteed seven figure income for years and years after their contract and/or playing days are concluded.
As much as we all hate on the Dodgers for the way they do things, whether it’s the Dodgers or it’s the Orioles and Chris Davis, etc. it seems like that’s the right approach and the future of larger contracts:
In the case of DJLM, maybe it should have been 4 years/$100M with a $15M signing bonus, $45M paid out over the four playing years and then $40M deferred over 10 years at $4M a year after the playing deal concluded, so they’d currently be entering year 1 of 10 years worth of $4M payments for DJLM to no longer play for them or take up a roster spot, but DJLM gets his money and the Yankees got maximum value on that deal.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Trill
I think you underestimate the Yanks ability to absorb money. They paid about $70 mil into Stanton, Rizzo and Stroman for about 1.6 WAR. That didn’t stop them from making trades for Soto, fielding a team that went to the WS and offering $765 mil to Soto knowing they would still have to do some heavy lifting this winter. And don’t forget they offered Yamamoto $300 mil last year. In the past they may have had positions blocked by underperforming vets owed too much money to cut, thus causing roster stagnation like it did with Arod, Tex, etc. They could cut DJ whenever but why do it now since he’s not preventing them from doing anymore moves.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I forget exactly what year it was, but I remember a few off seasons ago the Yankees did that- they made a bunch of really unsympathetic, no nostalgia decisions on outright releasing a few of their veterans- I think they pressured one or two guys into retiring, if I recall- and they cleaned house on expensive, aging contracts. I wish I could remember what year and who they were, but I remember them doing this not that long ago.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Trill
teams can’t force a player into retirement.
DR2020
i’m sure the Yankees would do it trillionaire, how many players would, though I doubt there are many, that’s the issue. They want the money upfront can’t blame them. And they won as much as they can get look at Soto. Perfect example went to Met for a few million more and a bunch of superfluous benefits in my opinion. Truly, a most impressive diva he is but most players go wherever they get the most money. I didn’t say all cause someone will jump on me and say this one didn’t that one didn’t. No but most do
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Rsox
Until push comes to shove and they need his roster spot then you keep him. Injuries may be the cause of his decline and if healthy he might hold value. He’s not blocking anyone tho and it’s not preventing them from acquiring someone else. Yanks can absorb the cost and keep him moving. you never know.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I don’t think the Yankees have ever outright released an expensive player with years left on their deal- please correct me if I am mistaken about this.
I know that with Ellsbury it was this weird amorphous approach wherein they didn’t really push him to come back from the IL and then when he heard them loud and clear and stopped trying to fully rehab and return to the active roster from the IL they basically accused him of fraud or theft of services or whatever- kind of like what happened with Yoenis Cespedes on the Mets, except Cespedes outright stopped caring about baseball and really did try to just avoid playing ever again while collecting $27.5M a season for a few years and with Ellsbury I think if he could have maintained his health and productivity he would have loved to have kept playing… but the reality was that the team didn’t miss the player and the player didn’t miss the team and it was the principle of paying someone over $22M a year to not play for them without getting anything in return, like what might have happened if they’d traded him for peanuts and continued to pay his salary or something along those lines…. but that’s obviously not the case here.
I think DJLM still wants to play, the Yankees like LeMahieu- so the relationship is good between player and club, but the reality of his age-related decline is undeniable and just plain sucks and he costs $15M a year for the next two years no matter what, probably does not want to be released or kinda forcibly retired and the Yankees would love for him to bounce back and earn his paycheck, be a productive difference maker for the club.
Anthony maresca
They released Arod and Hicks both with 2-3 yrs. Remaining and $30-42 million!!! DJ is not stopping Yankees from dumping him.
Salzilla
Actually ARod and Yankees came to a mutual agreement on his retirement and move into an advisory role. He still got paid through his remaining player contract while performing other duties until the end of 2017 and then stayed on through 2019 on a separate contract. He wasn’t tradionally dumped at all.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Exactly my point. I must’ve been thinking if A-Rod in terms of “forced retirement”
DR2020
of course, not, they will do it when they feel they have to. But not before they will try to get every bit of last value out of him if they can.
DR2020
and I wonder what they really got from him for his so-called advisory role, if anything. What did he really do even. At that point. It was probably a gesture to justify giving him more money while saving face at the same time. In my humble opinion.
DR2020
of course that was many years ago, and they don’t operate exactly the same way now as they did then
DR2020
that’s the million dollar question, if healthy. He’s older now and he’s been injured for years now. I wouldn’t expect him to be healthy now either.
WadeBoggsWildRide
A’s or Marlins should take him with a prospect just to appease the union and get something to build.
DodgerOK
I would count out the Angels. Arenado wants to win.
baseballpun
I would too except he included the Angels on his six teams that he would OK a trade to. Being close to home makes up for winning, I guess.
petfoodfella
He literally said the Angels are on his list.
“In addition to having the Dodgers, Padres and Angels on his wish list, Arenado would also be willing to accept a trade to the Phillies, Mets or Red Sox, per a source close to the negotiations.”
BITA
He literally didn’t say anything it was a report that could be true or false. No way he will accept a trade to the Angels. No chance.
Blue Baron
BITA: Of course you know more about Arenado and his preferences than these media sources. Right.
BITA
He said he wants to play for a winner. He’s not going to the Angels.
Blue Baron
BITA: The Angels are on his list of acceptable teams. How do you know otherwise?
BITA
How do you know that list is accurate?
Blue Baron
BITA: How do you know it isn’t?
BITA
Because Arenado has said repeatedly he wants to win. And the Angels aren’t winners. And why the heck would he be ok with the Mets and not the Yankees? That makes no sense at all.
Blue Baron
BITA: Maybe he thinks the Mets are a better team now. Soto does.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
My guess is that no team wants Arenado. But the Mets and Angels are the only logical fits. Maybe the Phillies or Yankees if other trades occur. Nolan is just a “D” short of having “no land”.
Devlsh
Clearly the Astros were interested, but he didn’t want to go there.
I think several teams would benefit from having Arenado at 3B, and it’s not hard to figure out who if you look at who they had there last year or who projects to play there this year. Finding a fit however between who he’ll agree to play for and the money he’s due to earn is more tricky.
Cleveland 3
Angels are the epitome of suck.
Devlsh
The White Sox say hello.
Bruce wulff
Like the flubs cubs who have opening at 3b now that parades is gone and only a rookie remains at 3rd who has never played a major league game there! Hoyer needs to go!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bruce
Parades looked lost at Wrigley. Trading Paredes and Hayden was a no-brainer. Tucker will be a one year mega hitting machine. Reasonable minds differ on trading Cam Smith but he would not have played 3B at Wrigley in 2025.
DR2020
then he should go to the Mets, since Soto says the Mets are going to be a winner and a bigger winner than the Yankees lol
DR2020
soto the diva just said that to justify going there. Who knows if he really believes that and it was report in the media, so who knows if he actually even said it. but if he believes that, he’s misinformed. Did he notice how the Mets are filling up their roster with Yankees retreads and third tier pitching , they have no ace,instead of spending money ,or that they have lowballed one of their best players, who got them where they are ,after they signed him to his immense contract.
Blue Baron
DR2020: How is maximizing your value in the open market being a diva? Maybe you think the MLBPA should somehow be abolished and the players should have no labor rights.
labial
Arenado and Rendon are pals that love losing
Blue Baron
labial: What an amazingly dumb comment that shows your ignorance of what it takes for players to make it to MLB.
No player at that level actually wants or tries to lose. If they did, they would never make it that far. They probably wouldn’t even get drafted out of high school or college in the first place.
outinleftfield
Baron, his name says it all.
Rsox
The Angels are on his list as a last ditch effort to play close to home. In reality they probably aren’t in on him since they are already wasting money on Rendon and it’s unlikely the Cardinals have any interest on taking him as part of the return. Going home is the same reason he said he would be willing to move to 1B. 5 of the 6 teams on the list would naturally play him at 3B but willingness to move across the diamond was meant to attract the Padres attention
the old ranger
All of the Angels’ current stupid money is with Trout and Rendon. Rendon is a leper. Trout is just brittle due to being so overweight.
The free agents that they’ve signed this year takes care of, at least, their new stupid money for the next 1-2 years. Moreno is now signing free agent pitchers over 30 who are washed up.
What the Arte Moreno doesn’t understand is that pros want to win, well, all except for Rendon. Until they develop the farm and supply a winning attitude and team, the Angels’ are pariahs. Moreno makes more money holding onto the franchise than he makes by making either stupid or, God forbid, smart baseball deals. He’s not clueless and he makes horrible deals knowing that his franchise value will still rise & is worth far more to his family than to Angel fans. That’s a round about way of confirming that Moreno just doesn’t give a s**t about the fans.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I disagree with your comments about Trout. He is not brittle because he is overweight. While Soler is as a nice get for the right team, Angeles should have passed on Soler and made Trout their primary DH with only occasional games playing outfield. Trout when healthy is still an asset. Making him the primary DH would have given the Angels a better chance of a successful Trout at the plate.
outinleftfield
Of all the stupid comments on this thread, that one takes the cake. Trout is as cut as any player in MLB.
DR2020
but I don’t understand is that Rendon
was once good, and he was a key part of the nationals winning the World Series that year, which is how he got that big contract to begin with. Don’t know how he declined so rapidly out became unmotivated once he got the big contract I guess.
hllywdjff
Bergman to Detroit 6/175
labial
Bergman to Detroit, 1 year, $18M
Schlootle
I can easily see Bregman doing another Boras special of 3 years of decent AAV with a player opt out every year at this point.. I would be shocked if he ended up getting $200 million. Chapman just signed an extension for 6/152~, ain’t no way Breggy is worth more than Chapman at this point
Rocker49
Except Bregman’s stats decline offensively each season, so now is the time to get the money. Younger players in their prime can do that. A declining Bregman can’t really keep putting off a big contract that he wants.
Blue Baron
labial: And how much will BREGMAN get?
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Maybe all Bitcoin or all DOGECoin with the Shiba Inus dog face?
OR 6 years/180M total which includes an upfront 15M signing bonus, 30 M deferred over 10 years starting in year 7
differentbears
Bergman? Dave or Ingmar?
Joe says...
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tigerdoc616
IDK, I have a hard time believing the Tigers are serious about signing Bregman. But maybe they are and are willing to at least wait a bit and are not ready to move on as the Astros appear to have done. Bregman is the best fit for the Tigers which could mean they are more than willing to wait. Need a RHH bat with power and 3B is the best fit.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It just feels like a situation where *someone* “has to” sign Bregman, the contending clubs aren’t comfortable signing him to 5+ years, but someone “has to” and it falls to a team like the Tigers, who aren’t going to be in serious contention, but have money to throw around anyway and might as well?
Like the league is going “look, nobody who has a real shot at contending for the post season or the world series wants to be stuck with an aging, overpaid Bregman, but he’s paid his dues, he’s an All-Star level player at least in terms of his media profile level, so someone has to give him that big money free agent contract and we feel it falls to you, the Detroit Tigers, to take that one for the collective teams, even though he won’t actually improve your chances of contending and he will more than likely become an albatross of a contract sooner rather than later. C’mon, Tigers- be cool., be a team player, waste your money and roster spot so that we don’t have to, but a high profile free agent in his prime isn’t actually denied his high profile expensive free agency deal.”
labial
^^^ this exactly. To be fair they haven’t signed a big free agent in a while so it is their turn
dkhits20
That’s kind of a silly take. Tigers are not going to sign someone to a $180-200MM contract out of obligation imposed by the rest of the league. If that was the case, they would have done it already. I believe the Tigers truly are interested in Bregman, but definitely not for 7 years/$200MM and probably not for what the Astros offered him either. They remain in discussions with him, probably for the slim chance of getting him for 5 years at $28MM/year if no one else bites. But that would actually be a sensible deal for the team.
DR2020
well, a team gets in trouble if they don’t spend the money they get from the luxury tax distributed amongst all the teams, and it could be quite a large amount of money. If they don’t spend it, just shove it in their pocket they get in trouble with major league baseball.
MRSHOWTIME
AJ Hinch factor plus he provides leadership and some cheating abilities for a team on the rise
Problem is they won’t go more then 4 years on him and he probably wants at least 6
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Given what happened with LeMahieu, who was looking for 4 years/$80-$100M and settled on $90M but over 6 years and is now a massive albatross with two years left instead of being off the books, that should be a lesson to most clubs about guys aiming for a total dollar amount- give them a higher AAV over fewer years.
So with Bregman, if he is aiming for like 6 years/$180M to 7 years/$245M or whatever it is, I’d offer him, no joke, 4 years/$160M and then walk away from him no matter what, even if someone else thinks he’d be worth another 2-4 years at any given price and he winds up holding up decently over that next contract.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@tiger
Coming from winning 2 WS rings with the Astros, do you think Bregman wants to go somewhere that will likely not be a serious contender? money is money but he’ll likely be in the last year or two of his career or he ft
Schlootle
Bregman overestimated his situation. I personally think he very much wanted to stay in Houston but attempted to squeeze out as much money as he could (hey can’t blame him), however the Astros decided not to wait until he arbitrarily decided to sign and moved on with their plans.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@school
I just don’t see him signing with a team like the Tigers. He may get his money but his career will likely end without appearing in the playoffs again. I would be shocked to see the Tigers back next year.
DR2020
agreed, but he’s not gonna have much choice if nobody wants him especially for the money he’s asking well for the years. He’s gonna have to go somewhere. He’s gonna have to have more realistic expectations given the market.
spooky
Boras is asking too much for another guy and in the long run will cost Bregman money. The waiting game didn’t work last year and spots are already getting filled this year. If the team he came up with and won extensively doesn’t want to come near the price demands then I’m not sure anyone else will either
Baseballisthebest
Why do people think the agent sets the price? The player says how much they want and then it’s up to the agent to go get them the money or as close to it as they can. Boras can only advise Bregman on the market, not force him to sign or not sign for a certain amount. It was Bregman that compared himself to Machado. I’m sure that had to have terrified Boras since he had to know that there was no way Bregman would even approach that level.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Boras is a pretty persuasive advisor and it’s not always a good thing. There’s a reason Montgomery switched agents.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@manfred
Unless a client tells him “don’t bring me any offers under this amount” then it’s the agents job to present all deals. Boras can advise but he’s not the boss, the client is.
websoulsurfer
There is a reason Boras picks up more clients than he loses.
Of the Boras Four, 3 got large raises and 2 got long-term deals.
Bellinger had too many question marks and is still making $4 million more AAV for 3 years than the $22 million AAV he was expected to get in FA. If he plays well in 2025, he can still opt out and go after a big contract at age 29.
After having 3 straight seasons from 2021-2023 with offense that was only a 108 OPS+, a huge collapse at the plate in the 2nd half in 2023, and a QO dampening his options, Chapman came into the 2023-2024 offseason with huge question marks attached to him going into his age 31 season and only 1 team on his wish list, his hometown Giants. Even with those issues hanging over his head, Chapman earned $20 million in 2024, an $8 million raise from he had earned with Toronto in 2023. Then after having an exceptional season he signed a 6/151 million extension to play with the only team he even considered in FA. A total of $171 million over 7 years. Chapman won big.
Snell went from expecting to make $27.5 million AAV over 7 years going into the 2023-2024 offseason to getting $36.4 million AAV over 5 years after earning $32 million in 2024. A total of $212 million over 6 years. Snell will be 36 at the end of his contract and able to earn some money in FA or extensions after that. Snell won big.
Montgomery is the only one that lost. He was a poor sport, sulked, fired Boras, played extremely poorly, and now he is stuck in Arizona.
websoulsurfer
The agent is legally obligated to present all deals. He cannot pick and choose which ones he brings to the client. Good or bad, he has to at least tell the client about them all.
spooky
Boras compiles a huge presentation of why his client is worth X amount of dollars. The player then either agrees that this is his bottom dollar and holds out or he is flexible on price depending on each situation. If you believe Boras has no input on the dollar amount and is only chasing a number that Bregman made up himself then you are naive. The player always possesses the power to sign whatever deal he chooses but in this case we all have several instances where Boras and Co. have held out for a dollar amount that will never be attained. The years and dollar amount always start with Scottie
outinleftfield
Several? Last season there was one. Montgomery. The rest got paid. .
Seaver rules
Alonso will be a Met and Vientos will stay at 3B. What about Alec Bohm to the Yankees? Philly would never deal him to the Mets but to the Yankees makes sense. He’s much cheaper than Bregman and Arenado.
Blue Baron
Seaver rules: If Bohm is such a bargain compared to Bregman and Arenado, why would the Phillies trade him?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Blue
Ask your GM because its being trolleys by many sources they he’s on the trading block.
Blue Baron
KnicksFan: Who’s my GM?
❤️ MuteButton
I agree, that trade makes sense. If they’re offering Stroman, they’ll probably have to sweeten the pot a little bit more than that.
Cleveland 3
NO ONE wants Stroman. Its like they can’t give the guy away.
DR2020
that’s for sure, a lot more. Stroman is getting on in years and he’s not very good anymore. He’s just useful as a depth piece maybe
stymeedone
Bregman, without considering price or draft picks, is exactly who Harris describes as his type of player: strong defensively, hits for average and power, doesn’t strike out much, has play off experience. Add in the past relationship with Hinch, and it looks like a great match. Still not expecting it to happen, because I think Bregman wants to play for a perennial contender, and Boras wants his money.
Boz32
Phillies aren’t in because of their salary situation already and the fact that no one is willing to give anything up for Bohm.
christopher8002
We’ve reached the point of the postseason where teams have a little more leverage than the players, so it will be interesting to see how some of these final big transactions play out.
watup0100
Why not just keep stroman? Yea get rid of some payroll and some potential lux tax concerns but he makes the team better and what are they honestly going to add if they get rid of him?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Subtraction for addition. They eat some of Stroman’s salary to unload his salary. Then add another position player which makes being over the last tax line more palatable. Stroman doesn’t have a role right now and is not suited for the bullpen.
DR2020
I thought it was addition white attraction, bleaching creatures. But anyway, otherwise what you said is pretty much been said numerous times elsewhere. I think it’s valid. The Yankees showed their thoughts about it. They didn’t even play him in the postseason. They didn’t even deem him worthy of it, and if that if you remember a few years back, when storm was younger, even and a little better, there was some controversy regarding the Yankees, not interested in Stroman and him having something to say about it you know, and then he was better than all the other Yankee pitchers except for Cole. I think it was one of his comments. And Cashman not being shy, I fired back that they weren’t interested in him because he wouldn’t even be on the postseason roster that was several years ago. It proved to be truly prophetic.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
What YankeesBleacherCreature said- he doesn’t seem reliable as a starter to go the distance and but he also doesn’t have the performance make up or experience to be a reliever, so there’s nowhere to put or use him. Better to trade him to a team who will use him as a starter and get something out of him and give the Yankees the roster flexibility to add someone they could really use in a clearly defined position or function.
to4
They could try and see if the Rays want to trade Diaz. It might cost them Jasson, but Diaz is a solid player who walks a lot and could men 3B
YankeesBleacherCreature
They’re not trading Dominguez if they held onto him for this long.
DR2020
L O L. Treating the Martian, doesn’t everyone know he’s the next Mickey Mantle. he’s the golden boy ,they have high hopes for him, they’re not gonna give him up for anything, at least not yet
BronxBombers23
Yeah, trading a MLB ready potential superstar to your division rival for 2 years of a soon to be 35yo Yandy Diaz makes sense…
Devlsh
“MLB ready potential superstar”
Ahh, if I only had a dollar for every time I heard a Yankee fan describe a Yankee prospect as a future superstar, I could probably afford to have a pool installed in my backyard AND sign Corbin Burnes as my pool boy.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Dev
Aren’t almost every top 30 prospects seen as having “superstar” potential?
Devlsh
KFC Fan – Not saying some don’t eventually become a superstar (though darn few do), but fans (and I suspect some GMs) view their prospects as if they’re all going to achieve their 100%tile ceiling. Been reading this site a long time, and I could fill a starting lineup with vaunted Yankee prospects who people wouldn’t give up under any circumstances and who eventually washed out or became marginal players.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Devish
And any GM that listens to what a fan feels should be fired. But the industry isn’t influenced by the fans or GM and we have to assume that their evaluations aren’t influenced by anyone, thus, legit, and most feel he had the potential to be a future superstar. Thus his trade value should be viewed as such and the Yanks should value him as sick to not include him in silly trades, especially those to dump salary.
DR2020
he said potential, if you read more closely before just commenting,you would’ve known.
DR2020
yup, makes perfect sense, not. They’re not trading their potential future golden boy, for anything they have high hopes for him certainly not trading him for an over the hill first base, that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard or in a long time anyway
Cleveland 3
Rays are open for business, I mean, the Cubs snookered them into trading Paredes for Morel, Cubs then moved him to Astros as part of Tucker deal. Good horse trading by Cubs. Rays lost that one badly, and they will lose some more, too.
Devlsh
I think we’re still a year or two from declaring a winner. While Paredes is perfect for the Astros ballpark, I’m withholding judgment on Morel until the Rays have had him another year.
dankyank
I’d much rather leave Jazz at third and give him a chance to improve defensively. Sticking him at second feels like a solution in search of a problem. A declining Arenado or Bregman on a long-term deal will both be poor values.
There’s a reasonable argument that we should offer Gleyber an incentive laden 1 year deal to see if he can sustain his production from the leadoff role. There’s also a logic to pursuing Kim to add the defense and contact hitting.
The potential solutions at second are far cheaper, better fits than the options on third base market. I hope the front office realizes this
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I agree with all of this.
I feel like Gleyber is undervalued because he didn’t reach the level of player he was expected to, but if you make your peace with that, he’s still a very solid option and acquitted himself nicely in 2024 and would be a fine stop gap signing to… replace himself, haha.
Replace Gleyber temporarily with Gleyber.
1 year/$20M and then hope to have better options in 2025 or see if he becomes the player people hoped he’d be.
dankyank
He was able to turn on the production late in the season so he was complacent
on a $14 million salary. His benching midseason confirmed this. I fail to see how guaranteeing $20 million will solve the problem.
I say keep him motivated. $12 million and up to $7 million in incentives in incentives. If he wants his money he’ll have to hit This is literally his last chance to demonstrate he can excel in the right lineup spot. Keeping him at second already weakens the defense.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Considering that there was a period of time where people were realistically suggesting an early lifetime extension for Gleyber in the 15 yeas/$450M range and he seem to know that nobody is gonna offer him 3 years/$60M let alone 5 years $150M or 8 years/$200M, etc. basically any guaranteed money over about $15M is a huge win for him at this point.
He made $14.2M for his final year of arbitration- oddly enough that was roughly his exact WAR value in 2024 as well. It is entirely reasonable that a player in his position expects significantly more cash on any AAV for his free agency coming off an okay season going into free agency. As it stands I don’t think he’s expecting anything more than 2 years/$30M, maybe 2 years/$37M with an opt out or something along those lines.
1 year/$20M would be saying “we think you’re worthy of free agent level money, but nobody is certain about your consistency. Prove you can do well on a free agent sized salary without free agency guaranteed years and maybe you will convince us or some other team to give you another raise and a few more guaranteed years.” vs “we want you to take a salary reduction from us just to have a job in this industry as a player.”
Again- Gleyber was still decent enough to justify a 1 year/$20M deal as a first time free agent coming of a $14.2M salary and he didn’t suck enough to justify anybody arguing for him to take a discount or a salary cut in free agency.
dankyank
Gleyber’s production declined 40% in 2024. Makes no sense to reward him with a 40% pay increase.
To be clear, Kim is my clear cut first choice. I think Gleyber as a consolation price is justifiable, but not much more.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@dankyank Can’t tie performance stats to incentives. It will be based on games played and at-bats. Gleyber, who has been healthy, has no problem reaching those plateaus. I don’t see him going for that deal unless it’s a guaranteed $19M.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@dank @Trill
I can almost guarantee you he was other multi year deals on the table but he’s just not in love with them. at least one deal wanted him to play 3rd. I think there are other issues between him and Cash/Boone .A return now is unlikely.
Cleveland 3
I’d lowball the underachiever for 7 mil a yr. Thats what mediocrities make.
DR2020
I hear you, but I think they’re ready to move on from him. Unless they get him real cheap. They know all of his faults and flaws. They’ve witnessed them for the last six years or so. He’s just defensively very bad, and runs the bases poorly, seems like his head is not in the game often times, I think he is focused more on other things, like his family, which is his right, but not when he’s playing baseball and being paid millions for it. They want to get better defensively and that is not the way to do it. But I see your point and that’s another way to look at it obviously.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Oh right the base running… forget it. Forget Gleyber. Not worth it. He could mash 40 home runs and bat .300 and be slightly above average defensively but with that base running of his- forget it. His terrible base running instincts almost entirely negates even the most optimistic upside achieved version of him in all other aspects of his play.
DR2020
with all due respect, I don’t think that’s it at all, he appears to have concentration problems, often not having his head in the game and makes foolish mistakes constantly. The Yankees are trying to get better defensively, and that won’t happen with labor Torres in the fold. He’s had years to improve yet he hasn’t because it doesn’t seem like his head is in the game a lot of the time I don’t know what it is he’s thinking about, but it doesn’t appear to be baseball.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Except Gleyber is already worse defensively at his age than Bregman and Arenado and probably about the same offensively. A player with a body type like Jazz that has agility and better footwork is usually better at turning the double play. Improving defense towards the middle of the field would probably help the overall defense. I think with his athleticism Jazz would be an above average 3B but I think 2B is his best spot (plus occasionally he could play some OF to give someone a day off or late in the game with a lead)
IF NYY doesn’t want to go the Arenado, Bregman route there are other utility types (Urshela would have helped – too late)
a 1 year incentive laden with a 2nd year option for Moncada could help.
3B could be a 3 headed Ghidorah monster: Moncada/DJL/Peraza
Peraza plays good defense and he can still improve his offense
Maybe DJL could be traded midseason if he gets off to a good start (and save some $) or keep him
cwsOverhaul
Boras has boxed himself in a corner with his clients Burnes/Santander/Bregman. They likely all have strong offers, but it’s not from the goliath clubs like LAD/NYY/Mets/RSox/Philly that have already done most of its major spending for now.
Burnes should just sign for big $ w/SF-yes they are essentially competing for WCs, but it is a decent orgztn. Be a leader if Balt won’t match.
Bregman is good for Det in a low spending ALC. Seems like he’s waiting for Philly to unload a big chunk of salary such as Cast/Tajuan to make room or RSox due to not wanting to be in Det.
Santander like the 2 above doesn’t want to just be rich and be with likely last place Toronto or trust Cincy to spend on others if he commits.
*Only so many clients can sign with deep pocket playoff locks besides #1 goal of max guarantee
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It’s interesting how so many of these free agents who were supposed to be part of major bidding wars with the best offer winning are all presumed to have no real suitors except for one specific team who know they’d be bidding against themselves, so they’re all likely trying to talk the prices down on these guys because they know they’re the only realistic option for each of these FA’s:
For Burnes, rumors keep circulating that the Giants are the only team seriously pursuing him and nobody else is making a serious bid for him.
For Bregman it sounds like it’s either the Astros 6 years/$156M offer or it’s heading to Detroit for a little more money and irrelevance on a 7 years/$200M deal- maybe.
I’m not one of those people who thinks all these guys are overpaid and should be happier making less- the ownerships and the league can afford to pay these free agents what they want and have earned, but its just weird that all these high profile guys are being frozen out, not because they aren’t valuable right now, but because teams don’t think they’ll be valuable in 3-5 years- even though this has been how free agency has played out forever. Every free agent ever that’s been signed for 5+ years is immediately treated as an overpaid albatross that needs to be managed as an expensive sunk cost- like all the big outfielders who its suggested need to be moved to first base at some point to salvage their offensive physical abilities by sparing them their defensive physical efforts just a year or two into 5 to 10 year deals they signed as outfielders.
And yet there’s one team in each case who’d be willing to take that risk for that player- and the players seem to hate their only real options to get close to their desired salary and year totals.
Motor City Beach Bum
That’s twice now you’ve called Detroit irrelevant in relation to them signing Bregman. Not sure what your rationale for that is. Up and coming team that was one of the final four in the AL this year. Skubal was a Triple Crown winner. Carp and Greene look like stars. Hinch was 3rd place for manager of the year. Fetter won coach of the year. One of the best MiLB systems in baseball. How are the irrelevant?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Perhaps that’s an overstatement, I will give you that. What I meant to say is that Detroit is a team that has not done a great job in recent years of buying their improvements- their free agency signings have largely been lackluster or outright busts and Bregman likely wouldn’t improve their chances much despite how expensive he is.
Motor City Beach Bum
Fair enough. Cheers dude.
Cleveland 3
Javy Baez! [ laughter…]
Motor City Beach Bum
Yup. I can only hear so many times about him being a good teammate and a decent defensive player…it does not make me forget his “offensive” stats on offence! And thats why Ilitch is gunshy about big contracts. Too bad…I always liked Javy prior to him signing with Detroit.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Detroit is certainly relevant, more so with Bergman. As much so as every team that is not the Dodgers. Add on the Padres if they get Roki and the Mets if they make a couple more big splurges. Adding Bregman, most people would pick Tigers as the favorite over the Guards, Royals and Twins. AL Central is now an equal to AL East and AL West, if you skip over the White Sox.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trillionaire
I think Burnes will have to “settle” for Fried money and it will happen in less than 7 days. He is not dim. Enough to pass on life-altering money no matter whether he sees the team as a competitor or not.
jmedlin21
Yankees send Stroman and Peraza to the Phillies for Bohm
CarverAndrews
So let’s see – Peraza appears to have gone sideways as a prospect and can’t land the 3B job with the Yankees. Stroman is owed way too much and would be a 7th or 8th starter for the Phils.
And we give you two seasons of our cost-controlled 3B who was an All-Star last year for the privilege. Seems fair. Sheesh
MRSHOWTIME
Lol so the Phillies got 8 deep in the rotation. Hard enough to find innings for Walker but now Stroman ? Not even sure adding Dominguez would be enough w out a 3rd team
Hahah …..
christopher8002
If Phillies get to send Taijuan Walker back to the Yankees, the conversation may last a bit longer.
CarverAndrews
Just about long enough to figure out whether there could be a grievance over the Stroman player option for 2026.
Think it through. Whether it is Stroman or Taj, in that Phillies rotation they are only swingman depth, with at least 6 better arms ahead of them. The AAV are around the same, and both appear to be on the downswing although not over the hill. Realistically though either one is a gamble as to what they might bring in the next two years and what their trade value might be as a result.
The net concern is that the Phils no longer would have a solid 3B, and for no appreciable upside at all. WHY would the Phils do this?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@jmed
I’m a Yankee fan and there’s no way the Phil’s will trade Brohm for a bad contract and an unproven guy whose past rookie prospect status.
BrianCashmansBurner
The Yankees don’t really have a lot of palatable options for third. I think it’s a mistake to make Jazz the full time 3b. DJ is absolutely cooked. Bregman is too expensive, and Arenado is exactly the type of aging acquisition the Yankees end up regretting. The rest of the 3b in FA are awful.
Maybe there’s a trade to make? I’m just not coming up with anything.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
“I think it’s a mistake” indicates to me that you acknowledge Chisholm was serviceable at 3B and there are worst options- but again I hear everybody saying he’s more valuable up the middle.
❤️ MuteButton
I think Bregman would be a weird fit based on history. Its very likely Bregman will become a DJ (“cooked”, as you put it) halfway through a 6 year contract. A trade, if can be found, would likely be the best route, agreed.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Brian
I think you’ll be smooching a trade for Arraez shortly. He’ll play 2b with Jazz at 3b.
beboplar
Yankees should have no interest in Bregman. Too much $, and posterboy for the cheating scandal. He ends up either in Detroit or Boston.
BITA
I believe Arenado would play for the Yankees. And they certainly could use him. The Mets and Yankees make the most sense and the Dodgers are where he wants to play even if they don’t make as much sense.
dellarocco72
Move jazz to 2b. Bring in Moncada to compete with Oswald/Oswaldo at 3B. Marlins need to take on contracts – package DJ and Stroman with Arias and Lombard to get them off the books
MRSHOWTIME
Might need more then that. Nobody wants that stroman deal right now for some reason. Maybe in the spring when some starter goes down, someone will bite the bullet and Take Stroman
DR2020
it’s possible, but the Yankees will have to eat some of the money. And of course, a trade deadline it’ll be cheaper because you only have to pay half gor the player at that point. right now he could be a sixth starter and you know someone always gets injured so you might find at the deadline that they actually need him. Guess we’ll find out.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I like your first idea – low risk, higher upside 1 year deal plus an option maybe.
Your second idea is unlikely. Marlins don’t want to take on 2.5 years of NYY bad judgement even for the potential of the young players.
They can get their total salary higher other ways.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Della
No way do you trade a top prospect just to get some salary relief, especially if you’re the Yankees. I think they’d release them but before giving up a real prospect.
HITTER23
Yet another instance where the Yankees don’t finish the job and leave a gaping hole that needs to be filled. Washed up inhouse (DJL) or never were or will be’s (either Oswalds) aren’t the answer. Youre already taking a chance on Jasson being ready and healthy all year, now you punt on another position ???
BITA
Arenado
Nootbbar
For
LeMahieu
Dominguez
That solves 3b and gives the Yankees a more reliable guy for the outfield.
playhard9
Nootbaar is a solid player but is extremely injury prone. This may be the first time someone said he was more reliable than anyone else.
BITA
He’s not injury prone thats a silly thing to say.
Motor City Beach Bum
Yes he is.
Champs64
Every time you suggest a trade for Arenado with the Yankees you include DJL. We definitely do not want DJL. He is finished.
JoeBrady
I assume DJ is in there to offset the Arenado salary.
BITA
LeMahieu might be finished but he could fit on the bench and most importantly eating his salary would be why the Yankees would give up Dominguez.
BITA
Lemahieu is in there to cover the value of Dominguez. But I figure that would help the Yankees cover the salary of Arenado and fill their other needs.
Basically Lemahieu has negative 28 million value. Arenado is close to neutral. Nootbaar has 15 to 20 million in surplus value. Dominguez is worth 45 million or so.
Also the Yankees could have Donovan instead of Nootbaar that would be fine. Both guys have 3 years of control left.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bita and Cashman would be and should be fired if he used Dominguez to dump Strom salary. It epiglottis be incredibly dumb and open up another position problem.
BITA
Dominguez would be used to dump Lemahieus salary and the Yankees would get an outfielder back in return. So no it would not open up another position problem it would simply solve 3b.
Champs64
In what world is Dominguez worth 45 million in value. He has proven nothing. I get it that he has been touted a great Yankee prospect but tell me when any Yankee prospect is not the up and coming goat.
BITA
He’s the number 14 prospect in all of baseball. He’s worth it. The Cardinals can let him learn on the job and the Yankees can fill 2 holes.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bita
I know what the intent is for including JD in this trade scenario but it’s absolutely stupid for them to do so. JD, by industry wise, is considered to be an elite prospect. Why would the team with the highest revenue at their disposal, trade their best prospect with 6 hearts of control, to save $15 mil x 2? And what team has a surplus of desirable CF that they would be willing to give up? . If THEY think JD is a better option than the CF they would be giving up then WHY would they do that? Unless the Yanks are getting a Duran or Merril in return them, no that’s an unrealistic and frankly, stupid suggestion. Plus you haven’t disclosed how trading DJ AND JD for a replacement CF solved the 3b problem? Or are you theorizing that the Yanks can con a team into trading a good CF and 3b for JD and $30 mil owed to DJ? Even if the trading partner age the entire $15 mil x 2 that $15 mil won’t help them get a significant upgrade at 3b anyways. And if JD turns out to be the real deal then how much do the Yanks save having him cost controlled for 6 years? I think they’d rather give Bregman $180 rather than to trade JD for salary relief. The Yanks greatest advantage is their spending ability, the appeal of playing in the largest media market and the mantra of trying to compete for a WS every year. Unless the Yanks have lost for in JD them I don’t they would trade him to save money.
BITA
Did you even read my trade proposal? You mentioned Stroman earlier but I didn’t mention him at all. I don’t think you understand what is being said
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bita
Yes, I apologize. I had to go back to the original thread to see you were speaking in a trade scenario for Arenando and Nootbar or whatever. Still a hard no. Yanks are not poor. They can absolutely absorb Stroman’s contract. They offered $765 mil to Soto with expectations that they’d likely have to pay Stroman, Stanton and DJ in 2025. In no way could they expect they could move those guys. Yanks greatest tool is financial leverage. Attaching cost controlled highly touted prospects to save money is not what the Yanks do.
BITA
It has nothing to do with Stroman
YaGottaBelieveAgain
NYY still has some time to act with acquiring other players
BUT Clock is Ticking
and they could make some subtractions but include some $
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Hitter
It’s still more than 2 months to AT and there are still options via FA and trade. Relax. You act as if the Yanks haven’t had a lot of other positions to replace.
MC Tim C
Bregman may regret turning down that offer from Houston.
Astrosfn1979
I’m sure he already does.
He wanted to stay in Houston. Every other team was just a tool to put more pressure on them to agree to the 1 additional year.
The Astros just agreed to give a declining 35 year old Altuve a deal through his age 39 season.
Boras and Alex thought they could get them to agree to offer one through his age 37 season. After all, he is 4 years younger and still having seasons of over 4 WAR.
They overplayed their hand.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Yeah you make great points I wonder If Altuve got rewarded for persevering through the three 100 year loss years.
Alex Bregman didn’t have to endure that. He first year was 2016.
If Alex would have split the salary difference between the HOU highest offer and 200M he probably could have stayed in TX.
He will still get good $ but maybe only 180M. DET should have very good next 5+ years, I think they need to make some other tweaks strengthen their pitching etc.
outinleftfield
Bregman sold his penthouse in the Giorgetti Building for about $3.3 million before the 2024 season started. He knew he was leaving.
He is the 2nd best 3B in the game the last 3 years and is expecting to get paid to play elsewhere.
There were rumors that he bought a 6,000 sq ft house in his hometown in August and moved in there right after the season was over. His wife Reagan posted photos of a party there in November with snow on the ground and the city in the background.
Ragnarok
He has another kid on the way. Perhaps he has moved past the penthouse time in his life?
Albuquerque is a baseball desert.
Baseballisthebest
Here is where Bregman got his start.
ababaseball.com/our-beginnings/
MRSHOWTIME
Jazz has the potential to be an all star. Will he reach that potential in his first fill season in the Bronx ?
If he stays healthy
I wouldn’t be shocked w a .280/.340/445
25 hr 85 rbi 33 steals
uvmfiji
Build stromans value then dump
YankeesBleacherCreature
They already have a starting five better than him. How do you build his value in-season?
stymeedone
@ybc
You pitch Stroman to build his value, that’s how. If he doesn’t build his value, he’ll get cut. Then the young guys get their chance. If Stroman pitches well, they won’t trade him, they will trade a young starter for something they need. Payroll stays high, and team gets older.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@yb
There’s not one GM that doesn’t understand what Stroman is and unless a SP is injured they’re should be ZERO reasons for him to start in any game, and showcasing him as a SP would be the only way of “showcasing ” him. If he’s kept on the roster then he’ll be a swingman and time will tell what he does. But if the Yanks were willing to eat $10 mil of his deal then he’ll be easy to trade if they aren’t excitedly anything significant back.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Responding to YankeesBleacherCreature- you use Stroman as a swing man- you use him as a spot starter / opener, sixth starter / opener and long reliever and hope he holds up through 2-4 innings at a time, enough to entice someone to pick him up and really ‘capitalize’ on him and send something more valuable to the Yankees back in exchange for Stroman- his salary commitment getting relieved or the Yankees having to eat the remainder themselves being a non-factor, ultimately.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@uvm @trill
That’s no need to rebuild his value. His value is evident. He’s an back of rotation innings eater. Pitchers that can throw 150 innings of mid 4 era/fip are needed. They just aren’t needed for $18 mil per with a vesting option. They’re are 80ish SP that threw 150+ IP and had a better ERA than Stroman. That means that there were a lot of teams that had rotation spots for guys in the bottom half of their rotation, that were worse than Stroman. If he was a FAZ he would likely get quite a few offers for 1/$5 mil to be a BOR innings eater. If the time comes when that’s necessary to get extra cash off class 6 roster spot then I’m sure their winning to pivot. But nothing yet and it doesn’t make sense to do it unless you have to. Otherwise he might just be a swing man backup should a SP miss games.
Motor City Beach Bum
If the Tigers sign Bregman to a reasonable contract in length I wouldn’t be sad. Instead of throwing all that money at one player, I’d he happier if they signed Kim, if his shoulder checks out, and either trade for Yandy Diaz or grab Santander for 4 years max.
Signing Kim is a fix for 3B and/or insurance at SS (or just their starting SS) and let’s Jung get at bats because of Kims versatility. He’s a better version of McKinistry. Eventually SS will belong to either McGonigle or Rainer and 3B to Jung or Rainer so Kim doesn’t really block anyone with his versatility. He gets on base, steals bases and fits in as their leadoff hitter. Diaz can get at bats at 1B, let’s Tork still get at bats if he makes the team and is a 1-2 year stopgap that either let’s Tork slide back in or allows Briceno or Liranzo to take over. He also gets on base and fits in the top half of the batting order. Santander blocks DH or one of the OF spots which takes at bats away from Mallor and Perez. He could play some 1B too. I like his fit less than Diaz and I think they have enough players in Carp and Malloy who can fill those spots and provide production.
dkhits20
@MCBB… Not that I’d be opposed to getting Yandy Diaz, but that would mean pretty much giving up on Tork which I don’t think the front office is willing to do yet. There were some rumors early in the offseason about trading for Lamonte Wade (LH) and platooning him with Tork which seems like more of a Harris move. As poor of a season that Tork had in 2024, his OPS vs. LHP was still about .800. And Wade is still arb-eligible with a projected salary of only about $4MM which means he won’t block Tork if Tork returns to 2023 form. And if Tork doesn’t pan out, we’re not blocking Briceno or Liranzo either… one of whom may be ready by 2026 and made a 1B.
Motor City Beach Bum
I agree dkhits20 that the Tigers don’t appear to be giving up on Tork. My thought was Tork could get ABs at DH (if he makes the team vs say Malloy or Perez) as Diaz is a better fielder and hitter. Carp seems to be doing fine in the field so I’m hoping they let him play there and give Malloy more DH reps because his glove sucks too. I like the Wade idea as well. Harris would know him from SF. Hope you had a good Xmas. Cheers dude.
dkhits20
Gotcha. I personally don’t think there’s any good reason to DH Tork at this point. Tork’s defense isn’t a liability like it used to be and there are less injury concerns with him than with a few others. I think he’ll play 1B 95% of the time when he’s in the lineup. Ideally, they’d rotate mostly between Greene, Carp and Malloy at DH with Malloy getting the majority of the AB’s there, and Greene and Carp getting some days at DH in order to try to keep them healthy.
I think trading for a 1B might not happen until Spring Training, once they see how Tork looks and also start experimenting with Keith and Malloy at 1B.
Merry Christmas and happy new year to you to, MCBB!
JoeBrady
Motor City Beach Bum
If the Tigers sign Bregman to a reasonable contract in length I wouldn’t be sad.
===========================
I like the approach. As a BB fan, I think Burnes is well overrated at say $225M/7. But it also wouldn’t break my heart if the RS signed him.
Heels On The Field
Signing Bregman goes directly against everything DUMBrowski has said and done since the beginning of the offseason.
Produce a source for this “Phillies interested in Bregman”.
holycow16
Bergman to the Cubs for the hot corner!
Cleveland 3
Cubs are too cheap. Cheap cheap cheap.
Acoss1331
Matt Shaw and James Triantos are infielder that can fight for 3B in Spring Training.
cwsOverhaul
Sounds like their top prospect Shaw will get promoted unless he struggles in ST.
JGCNYYGBP
I think the Yankees should definitely trade for Luis Arraez for 2B. That would put them over the top. The Yankees would have the most versatile and complete lineup that they’ve had in a very long time.
Captainmike1
Wanting a trade is different than coming up with a deal that both teams are happy with
YankeesBleacherCreature
He stinks at defense, walks, and baserunning. Hard pass.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yanks
Who cares if he walks or not when he’s consistently hitting at such a high rate that his obp is historically in the
.370 or better range?
Baseballisthebest
Arraez would be a huge improvement on defense after Torres. His worst the last 3 years would still be an improvement over what Yankee fans have suffered through. His .370 OBP would be incredible at the front of that lineup.
Luke Strong
I don’t understand how Bregman thinks he’s worth $200m. That’s so utterly ridiculous, that’s a franchise crippling deal if any club gives him anything close to that, and commits 5 or 6 years to him. I think 3 years, $70 million is about what he’s realistically worth. He should have taken the Astros extension offer.
❤️ MuteButton
Chapman was an overpay by the Giants, that’s what got Bregman licking his chops
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Luke
Bregman had a 4 War season and was an elite defensive 3b and above average bat. It’s insane that you would suggest he abrupt a 3/$70 deal when Walker just signed for 3/$20 as a lesser player, at an easier position, and is 4 years older. I think 5/$125 is fair.
Ragnarok
5/130 seems reasonable.
Baseballisthebest
4 WAR consistently for next 4 years then a couple of 2 WAR seasons. 20 WAR is worth $180 million.
If he is asking for more than 6 years then that gets him close to $200 million.
6/160-170 would be a fair offer.
mad1
Always foolish teams like the yanks, Mets and doggers willing to overpay
KnicksFanCavsFan
@mad
You mean can “afford” to overpay?
screamer2244
I feel like we’re living in bizzaro land. The Yankees replaced Soto with two below average aging players in the lineup and somehow Yankees fans and the media are spinning this as a W.
Please someone make it make sense. I get that the additions to the rotation and pen are nice, but wasn’t the lineup a weak spot last season even with Soto?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@screamer
Find me another Soto this winter that won’t be a 1 year rental? You can’t because they don’t exist. The whole “elite” thing suggests they’re hard to find. So Cashman was wise to look at the problem differently.
Outgoing FA at 1b, 2b, LF, and closer. Belli can’t replace Soto, but moving Judge to RF replaces Soto’s offense and improves the defense at that position. Belli and JD should prove to be much better than Verdugo and you hope that JD is good enough to mitigate Soto’s offense. Judge, Soto and Verdugo hit about 115 homers. If Judge hits 50-60, JD 25-30 and Belli 25-30 them the Yanks have a chance to replace Soto’s missing power. Goldy should outperform what we got from Rizzo and DJ. We get a full season of Jazz who just hit 24 homers this year and seemed to flourish with the power hitting in YS. On the run prevention side, Fried and Williams should help too.
Yanks might still surprise us all if they bring in another 2b/3b.
screamer2244
Thanks for the reply. I can’t name another Soto replacement….which is why it’s such a blow the Yankees lost him.
I agree that Cashman is attempting to replace the lost production, I just feel that it’s obvious that what they’ve come up with is far short from what they’ve lost.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@screamer
again, there are no replacements for Soto. All you can do is try and mitigate the gap and make it up at the other positions. For example
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2024 OF of Soto, Judge, and Verdugo accounted for 112 homers.
2025 OF of Judge, JD and Belli have a shot at about 100 homers if Judge gives you 50, Dominguez 25 and Belli 25.
The 2024 infield of Rizzo, 50% of Jazz, Torres, and some combo of DJ/Cabrera/Peraza combined for 45 homers.
The 2025 infield of Goldy, Jazz for a full season, and Volpe alone should be good for 55 homers with Goldy (20-25), Jazz (25), and Volpe (10). That’s not even factoring what you might get from whomever is playing opposite Jazz at 2b/3b.
Assuming Wells and Stanton do their thing, then that about matches the home run production they got from Soto and others last year with pedicle more one they fill the infield hole. Plus the addition of Fried and Williams can make this years team better. Obviously they aren’t replacing Soto’s OBP but they improve the defense in the OF by moving Judge back to RF and having Belli and JD are in the OF too. Goldy, Jazz and Volpe should provide good defense in the infield too.
stretcharmstrong1
Angels will find a way to give up way too much for Arrenado. Calling it.
Captainmike1
Bregman is a greedy SOB isn’t he ??
TrillionaireTeamOperator
No. He isn’t. None of these guys are. This isn’t greed. This is business.
There are absolutely people who make $50 million a year who are underpaid for what they produce in their industry.
Bregman has played up to and deserves to make $30M+ per season- the issue isn’t what he’s worth today, but what he will be worth in a few years.
For some reason, unlike a lot of players of identical age and overall performance going into free agency, teams are all thinking about the Bregman they’d be paying in 4-6 years and not the player they’ll be getting for the first 1-3 years of any deal- which is the opposite of how teams usually think about free agents, where they sign guys for 4 or 5 or 7 year deals, knowing in their heads they’re paying them for the first 2-3 years of those deals, with the back half or two thirds being a sunk cost, but the cost of doing business.
It is a little odd that they’re all being so logical with Bregman’s free agency as compared to countless other guys who were signing expensive long term deals going into their age 31 season, coming off productive, consistent track records and 4+ WAR seasons.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Altuve has been less consistently valuable than Bregman, but the Astros perceive him in a better, more valuable light, so they hand him these mega deals, whereas Bregman they just don’t view the same way despite him having better overall numbers and thus he struggles to get a great deal out of them.
I keep saying it- baseball valuation is largely about perception and emotion and not so much actual statistically provable numbers.
screamer2244
They offered Bregman a larger deal than they gave Altuve…
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Much lower AAV, though- which means they didn’t value him as highly.
screamer2244
Not sure what you’re talking about.
Altuve signed for 5 years 125 (25 aav)
Bregman offered 6 years 156 (26 aav)
TrillionaireTeamOperator
After 5 years/$145M which I think also came with a signing bonus or something?
dasit
bregman’s bb% dropped by almost half in 2024 that’s a massive red flag. the only team he makes sense for is the red sox
JoeBrady
Why? I usually ask for top dollar.
GB2
The best part of Arenado with the Yankees would be him shaving that awful beard
sluman46953
Pete and Berg to the Mets , just write it down.
Linder
Soto
Berg
Nimmo
Pete
Viento
McNeil
Alvarez
Siri
Dodgers ready team
Mikenmn
With CBT tax Bregman would cost the Yankees $50M+ per year–and for 7-8 years when he may have already started hid decline phase. Plus the picks, plus the International $. It doesn’t make a lot of sense
dasit
batted ball profile is the opposite of what you want at yankee stadium. he’s made for fenway (also dislike the guy so he’d fit with the red sox)
rocky7
More than the picks, the Yankees need to keep every bit of the $$International money to go after Sasaki….the last several years of a 7 year deal with Bregman would definitely remind NY fans of Donaldson’s decline plus nY fans would hate Bregman for his 2017 Astros lineage…….
❤️ MuteButton
Boras, Bregman and greed may cost them. At 6 years for $150-something mil he should’ve stayed in Houston. He was a legend there and a pariah everywhere else.
SonnySteele
I heard Josh Donaldson is still available.
Cleveland 3
Rusty Kuntz, too!
dasit
i take defensive stats with a grain of salt but by OAA jazz was elite at 3b. eye test suggests he has the things you can’t teach (reaction time and arm strength) and unsurprisingly needs work on things you can (positioning and footwork). for such a young player his health history is also worrisome so i would have no problem leaving him at third and patching together some good field/no-hit rotation at second (the younger kim would be a fun signing)
PrincessYuki
If only Bregman was a little younger. Mariners could sign him. Mariners only need a major league ready third baseman and that could be found in Spring Training.
GarryHarris
The Tiger rumor probably began on this site. It doesn’t make sense to acquire a veteran that will block the talent that the Tigers have spent nearly 10 years trying to develop. But, Illich has come to mean change direction when the goal is in sight..
billysbballz
So let’s just simplify this. The Yankees current payroll is teetering around 300m and they do not want to go over it again especially after losing out on Soto and the big free 3 free agents available next off season in Count Vlad, Kyle Tucker, and the Japanese Babe Ruth. So forget Bregman as he makes zero sense. The only possible way they add Arenado is if St Louis takes on a contract back such as Stroman or DJL which many Cardinals fans are expressing disdain and ambivalence to the thought of such a trade. But the fact is most Yankee fans also are concerned with an aging third baseman who has regressed two years in a row and has 3 more years left. Yankee fans are tired of untradeable contracts. Stroman is definitely not untradeable but DJL is.
So if the Yankees and Cardinals can find a 3rd team such as Oakland who needs to take on salary to get over the floor imaginary cap maybe Stroman 18m and Grisham 5m can go to Oakland with pitching prospect Warren and Oakland sends international cash back to the Yankees and player who will not make there 26 man roster to St Louis and the Yanks get Arenado with St Louis eating 5m. Something creative like that. That will keep the Yankees under the 300m Cohen cap but still with the DJL contract on the books. Spring training will dictate what they decide to do with DJL but with 4 roster spots on the bench and 1 going to the Catcher I’m guessing the other 3 will be an extra outfielder, Peraza who is out of options, and Ben Rice leaving DJL with no clear spot.
The other option is to leave Jazz at third which to me I thought he looked really good and comfortable. Than go sign the South Korean lefty swinging potential leadoff hitter and gold glove second baseman. That leaves Grisham, Ben Rice, and DJL with a back up catcher to round out the bench and Peraza with no options to start in minors and if he gets the call he can’t go back down unless they release him.
Those are truly the only two outcomes and the second one a’Kim seems good to me.
baseballfreak25
They only need a few moves in order to be set for a while.
1- sign Kim to play 2b. He will be relatively cheap, lefty hitter that is an on base, slap hitting machine. Decent speed as well.
2- sign Hill and Scott to shorten the game and have a lockdown pen.
3- trade Strowman for whatever you can reasonably get and maybe get some international money to try and get Sasaki.
4- get Spencer Jones ready for either LF or 1b. Bring him up later in the season or if injuries occur and let the kid smash. Damn wasting all these young guys until they’re injured and have no value. Rice needs to be the backup catcher and 1b until Jones has his reps at AAA.