The Red Sox landed the offseason’s top rotation trade candidate this afternoon. Even after acquiring Garrett Crochet from the White Sox for a four-prospect package, Boston is on the hunt for starting pitching.
Chief baseball officer Craig Breslow told reporters that the Sox remained in the rotation market after the Crochet acquisition (Bluesky link via Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe). The Globe’s Alex Speier reports (on X) that Boston is still engaged on Corbin Burnes as well as mid-tier rotation targets.
That could evidently take the form of either a free agent move or a trade. Jon Morosi of the MLB Network tweets that the Sox are still having discussions with the Mariners regarding their starting pitching. Adam Jude and Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times reported on Monday that Seattle rebuffed interest in a framework that would’ve sent one of their young starters to the Sox for first baseman Triston Casas. President of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has spoken repeatedly of the organization’s reluctance to even consider moving George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryan Woo or Bryce Miller.
Luis Castillo could be a different story. The Mariners are reportedly open to discussing Castillo, whom they owe $68.25MM over the next three seasons. The deal also has a vesting option for 2028. According to Mark Feinsand and Daniel Kramer of MLB.com, there’s a belief within the industry that the righty is available (X link). There should be trade value, as Castillo’s deal aligns with what Luis Severino and Nathan Eovaldi have landed on three-year free agent deals. Yet Castillo isn’t as appealing as the M’s young core of much more affordable starters. That price tag surely plays into the M’s willingness to listen to offers, as they’re reportedly working with around $15-20MM in payroll room and could use multiple hitters.
It’s unlikely that the Mariners would trade Castillo strictly for prospects. They’d presumably need an MLB hitter to anchor the return. Casas might be too big an ask if they’re not sending one of their younger arms to Boston. Outfielder Wilyer Abreu is another potential Red Sox trade candidate, though the M’s have less need for an outfielder than they do for an impact bat in the corner infield like Casas.
Whether anything will come of the Sox’s pursuits remains to be seen. At the very least, it’s clear Breslow and his front office aren’t fully satisfied with a rotation comprising Crochet, Tanner Houck, Brayan Bello, Kutter Crawford and Lucas Giolito. They gave up a good package of young talent to get Crochet, but he’s eminently affordable from a financial perspective. Boston should have the flexibility to continue identifying free agent targets or take on a notable salary in trade.
tigers182
Luis Castillo prob
stymeedone
3 years of Castillo for 4 years of Casas doesn’t seem that unequal. Proven vet for young potential that hasn’t quite proven he’s consistent. There is definitely a money disparity, but pitching is expensive, and first basemen don’t have to be.
Bookbook
If you’re in win now mode, can you give up Castillo’s 3 wins for the potential that Casas can stay healthy, live up to his potential, and give you….
3 wins?
If the Mariners are so cash poor that this looks good to them, maybe they should fold the franchise.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bookbookbook – Castillo is a product of T-Mobile, he has pitched far worse on the road. I wouldn’t mind having him, but certainly not for Casas. Castillo for Yoshida makes more sense for both teams.
tom brunanskys black sock
Cmon Brez! Make NYY humble!
Zenslinger
Tall order!
Fever Pitch Guy
tom – That’s kinda like saying make Elon poor.
PrincessYuki
Are they willing to pay what a Mariners starter would cost them?
Fever Pitch Guy
Prince – Yes! Yoshida, Crawford, Gasper and Rafaela for Castillo & Raleigh.
It’s a win-win for both teams!!
johncoltrane
redsox will quickly regret giving up 2 studs in teel, braden for 2 yrs of unproven injury plagued crochet
whitesox in turn will probly f up the careers of teel + braden unfortunately
kellin
So what you’re saying is that it was a win-win trade for both sides?
letitbelowenstein
I think he’s calling it a lose-lose.
kellin
@letitbe and @fever
That was meant as a joke, but anyone could spin it as win-win if neither side comes out on top.
Fever Pitch Guy
kell – It’s not a win just because what you traded turns into a bust. Each team gave up value at the time of the trade.
If Teel and Montgomery don’t pan out and Crochet flops, the Red Sox still could have done better by trading Teel and Montgomery for players that become successful.
Fever Pitch Guy
Kell – Actually he’s saying it’s a lose-lose for both sides.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
Chicago tells Boston to remember 2020-2023 Chris Sale, and Boston reminds Chicago that Andrew Benintendi and Yoan Moncada were the 1 and 2 overall prospects in 2017 and then agree to check back in 5-7 years.
Sagacity
GM – Wow lots of out of context references without explaining the Cora factor on Sale. How many time since 2017 have you heard a positive comment about Moncada, or the other Boston prospects we sent for Sale? Sale pitched in two all-star games for Boston before Cora destroyed him. Dombrowski crushed the CWS on the Sale deal and now the CWS have crushed Breslow with today’s deal. Breslow is as clueless and Bloom. Maybe you give up a Montgomery since he’s unproven but to add the proven Teel at a prime position of catcher, Breslow is an idiot.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
I think it’s a miss use of assets for sure, Crochet is a huge gamble when you consider that Burnes and Fried would have cost only money and trading potential cornerstone cost controlled players for an ownership group that’s needlessly pinching pennies is hypocritical when you consider they have made fans sit through mediocre seasons to build a farm system or foundation.
The Sale comment is just a general statement on the frailty of pitchers, and the rest is the unproven nature of prospects. As for breslow, maybe he’s an idiot, maybe he’s just following orders. This trade feels more like Henry balking at the FA market and less Dombrowski building a WS roster.
'Tang It
Proven? The guy didn’t do much after being called up to AAA. He’ll likely be good, but let’s not complain about actually having to give something to get something.
stymeedone
Being proven in AA ball doesn’t mean as much as a full season in the Majors, even if on an innings limit.
Bruin1012
Tang that’s not exactly true about Teel in AAA. Yes he did struggle for roughly a month probably while he was getting use to the new pitchers and the much tighter strike zone in the International League for his pitchers. He did slash to the tune of .375/.516/.542 for the month of September he finished really strong. He will be the White Sox starting catcher probably after they secure another year of control a month or so into the season.
kremer
Catching prospects are almost always overrated. Who was the last top tier catching prospect to turn into a GUY (or do so immediately)? Alvarez, Bart, Montero are 3 recent ones that I would point to. Outside of Will Smith few catchers step in and produce right away. Sox gave up Teel but kept their other 3 best prospects. I wouldn’t be mad.
johncoltrane
@kramer
You’re not gonna mention rushtman?
Yes catching prospects are tricky
But teel was 1st rd pick, crushed it in minors
He had tons of potential in boston, now career path completely in Q in whitesox system
But as far his position goes, he might be a 1B, or DH, or play OF
AL34
It was Kopech not Benintendi who was traded for Sale in 2017
redsoxu571
The internet sure loves its hyperbole. Your idea of “injury-plagued” is…one TJ surgery and that’s it, eh? Really knowledgeable and nuanced there.
CBG23
M’s aren’t moving any of the young (aka cheap) 4, unless they get a massive return, so that’s incredibly unlikely. And they aren’t taking prospects back.
rocky7
Yeh, its laughable that the Red Sox men thought for a minute that Tristan Casas for any of the 4 young starters would work……again, Casas is a very average player at this point in his career….the hype train has left that station……
BITA
I would take Casas over Miller. Miller has nasty home road splits.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Dude Bryce Miller still had an ERA under 3.00 and a 125 ERA+….
BITA
Bryce Miller is a stud in Seattle. But when he pitches on the road he’s a back end starter. I might take a chance on him still but he could be best where he is in Seattle.
DirtyWater04
You say he’s an average player as if being an average major leaguer at age 23 & 24 is a bad or even common thing……and by the way, his career OPS+ so far is 125. Pre-prime bats who are already 25% better than the average big leaguer don’t just grow on trees; if they did, maybe the Mariners would have one or two.
Occams_hairbrush
“At this point in his career”
He’s 24 years old.
Casas is a very average player”
He has a career .830 OPS, and again he’s 24 years old.
This isn’t me saying Casas is great, it’s me calling you out for ignorance.
redsoxu571
Unfortunately for you, the report about those talks made it clear they were “exploratory” and did NOT in ANY WAY suggest that Boston was insisting on any sort of 1-for-1 swap. What’s laughable is you laughing out of ignorance, to say nothing of your weak summary of what Casas represents at this point.
swanhenge
It will hurt, but I’m 100% on board w an Abreu+ package for Castillo.
On the FA side, Boston is out on Burnes. Manaea wouldn’t be a terrible add tho.
CBG23
Abreu is a nice player, and is a lefty, but M’s really need IF help unless they plan to move one of their OF.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Why are they out on burns? thay were willing to commit seven hundred million dollars a soto, but not three hundred million for the for a top of the rotation pitcher.
Occams_hairbrush
They aren’t out on Burnes.
Read the article,
'Tang It
Ownership doesn’t like spending on pitchers over 30. There is a difference. Though I agree that they should at this point. They can’t blow up their minors with another big trade
swanhenge
For one, I didn’t take Boston’s chances to get Soto very serious. I think they posed as long as they could, knowing the money would get over $600m. And no one is blaming them for bowing out.
That being that, knowing this ownership’s reluctance to lay out any huge deals convinces me they’re uncomfortable with paying a pitcher $30m a year. I hope they get Burnes, but I would be shocked.
acell10
Abreu and a package is an overpay for Castillo at this point given his age and contract
kremer
See Nathan Eovaldi if you think Castillo is too old and expensive.
Kk 4
I wonder if an Abreu+Yoshida for Castillo+Garver framework could be floated. Boston would probably have to throw in extra but could address some mutual needs
rocky7
LMAO….that package isn’t going to get anything going…..Castillo is a stud and and expensive one at that but two pretty average players (Abreu and LOL…Yoshida) isn’t moving any meter towards a trade…..
Kk 4
Garver and Yoshida are bad contract for bad contract, Castillo is making real money and Abreu isn’t. Abreu is an above average player who had an excellent rookie season. I did mention that the Sox would have to include more.
redsoxu571
Don’t worry about it – he’s leaving troll comments for this article.
JoeBrady
LOL: Rocky. I know you’re a Yankee fan, but just look at the number. Yoshida had a 112 OPS+ and Abreu had a 114 and a GG. Castillo had ERA+ of only 101 and Garver had an OPS+ of 85.
Which of those two sets of numbers is unlike the other set.
JoeBrady
You won’t get that. Call Yoshida and Garver a wash of bad contracts, and Abreu is more valuable than Castillo.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Castillo seems like the perfect something for nothing salary dump for the Reds and salary pick up for Athletics in the pursuit of achieving competitive budget compliance….
CBG23
M’s aren’t trading Castillo for nothing. He’s not as good as he once was but is still pretty good. M’s will get MLB talent back or they won’t move him. Garver and Mitch Haniger on the other hand…
BITA
Mariners will get someone back for Castillo. His name is Sal A Ryrelief.
CBG23
Nope.
hllywdjff
Castillo Garver and Ford for Casas Abreu and Giolito
rocky7
A stud in Castillo for Red Sox garbage……..quality for quantity isn’t going to work……
acell10
Castillo isn’t a stud anymore given his age and contract and he doesn’t project as one anymore either.
rsoxbob
Casas and Abreu are not garbage. I would not do that deal if I was Breslow.
Bruin1012
Rocky 7 is just trolling or really dumb either way best ignore a clown like that.
JoeBrady
Rocky is either trolling or imbibing.
JoeBrady
Castillo Garver and Ford for Casas Abreu and Giolito
========================
RS say no, and it isn’t really that close.
hllywdjff
Ok Young instead of Garver
johncoltrane
burnes would look good in a mets uni
what do ya’ll think?
hllywdjff
Actually it sounds like Santana might be coming back so between him and Raley 1b is covered so Casas is probably out. Castillo will most likely go to the Cubs
darkhorses2010
Seattle needs to score runs and has a ton of pitching, so wonder what Red Sox could send them to get both Castillo and either Gilbert or Kirby.
I’d start with Masa Yoshida and Mayer and what else would it take?
hllywdjff
Duran…
CBG23
M’s have Gilbert for 3 more years and aren’t moving him, at least not this year.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Anthony
Meyer
campbell
CBG23
M’s are not trading Gilbert for prospects. Will not happen.
darkhorses2010
Sox: Na no nein Nope no.
johncoltrane
the M’s will never trade gilbert or kirby.
sounds like they’re ready to move on from castillo tho
sox coulda had mayer, anthony, campbell, teel, and braden all come up in 2025. that honestly woulda been a sweet lineup
Bruin1012
Braden Montgomery hasn’t even taken one pro at bat doubtful you will see him in MLB until at least 2027 and that’s if he rakes. Mayer might be late 2025. Anthony and Campbell could break with the team especially if Abreu gets traded and Grissom doesn’t have a good spring.
johncoltrane
if sox kept those guys, had em hit behind duran & devers, they’d be looking at serious contention. crochet brings value for 2 seasons, but the prospects they traded could have given them a window to win for many more yrs.
“at least 2027” ?
braden’s a top 12 pick who turns 22 shortly after opening day. he’s not a high schooler, he played 3 yrs in college. if he lights up the minors, he could get a cup of coffee in 2025, or make the opening day squad in 2026
Bruin1012
“Nope”
Bruin1012
No chance on Montgomery earliest we see him is maybe a cup of coffee in 2026. He’s coming off a pretty serious injury.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Without without another ace in the rotation, the crochet deal means nothing.
I would not even consider trading casas unless they’. They acquire another big bat to replace power from o’neil and casas
GoGreen
I could see them going a 1yr with a Scherzer.
proton
This fits nicely with my early predictions/hopes. Trade Castillo which a Casas move would be good with a little somin somin added. Then make a hard run at Sasaki. Come in with the $7mill or more if they can get it in International money. Then come with a package with deals from Amazon Microsoft Seahawks and a few others. He is going to get the national contracts wherever he plays. If they can give him a $15-20 million a year 5 year contract out of the gate would be huge.
I know both LA teams and SD could easily beat it but Ichiro can help. Angels are probably on the outside looking in. They screwed up Ohtani’s time there. Does he want to be a small fish in a big pond or a school of big fish in a mid size pond? I like our chances. Ohtani can also tell him he screwed up and went to the Angels instead of Seattle. We would have made the playoffs and probably kept him healthier. We have the track record of doing that. Few starters getting TJ or other significant injuries.
Bruin1012
Red Sox are trading Casas for Castillo not happening.
Bruin1012
“ aren’t”
proton
Then who are they trading for Castillo? They are not letting the 4 youngins go. Castillo is still a good pitcher you will not be disappointed. He is the best option for us to give up because of the money. Then we can use that money elsewhere. He will be better than Crochet. Is relatively healthy and gives you innings.
The deal could include some more players coming here with some international money. We could add our supplemental pick between first and second rnd. This could be more than a player for player swap. They gave up a lot from Crochet we don’t need that much for a better pitcher. More durable and more innings.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
If the Sox trade for another starting pitcher then focus on offense and the bullpen through free agency, that might be best. Burnes is going to get more than he is worth. I just worry they are going to give up too much which they already did with the first trade.
acell10
Agreed. People talking like Castillo has any value beyond that of a very good number 3 starter is crazy talk so I certainly hope it isn’t him. I’d be perfectly happy to trade Duran though to get one of Seattles young pitchers.
CBG23
Castillo has more value to the M’s than he does to other teams, which is why they will keep him if they don’t get a deal they want. M’s game is pitching, and while they have a great rotation, they have very little depth. Hancock is their #6 and he’s not very good, and they don’t really have anything proven below him. And you’ve seen the prices for good number 3 starters. Even though there’s a ton of smoke right now I won’t be surprised at all if he’s not moved. If they do move him, I think it’s much more likely to the Cubs than Sox.
acell10
alright how about this trade: Duran and Crawford for Castillo Ford and Emerson? helps the sox get a solid starter and replace some of the prospect they lost. Pitching depth doesn’t get killed for the Mariners.
CBG23
I like that and I think Dipoto would definitely consider it since he’d be getting very good MLB players back to help in this upcoming season. Giving up Emerson would be painful, but they can afford to move Ford since Raleigh is locked up for a while. I also like Kutter in the M’s home park. If they made this deal, the M’s would probably have to move an OF to find some IF help since that’s where they are really thin.
Bruin1012
Acell that’s way too much if Duran goes to the M’s he’s going for one their young pitchers. Duran is the Red Sox spark plug he gets everything going he’s a menace to other teams puts a lot of pressure on them. If they do trade Duran then they have to be damn sure Anthony is ready to take over the leadoff spot which he might be.
acell10
Ok Id do the same deal for miller or Woo. I’d rather cash out early on Duran who’s older and doesn’t fit the timeline and shown obvious character issues before its too late. I’m not the biggest crawford fan either but he does have value. if getting another starter backs help the sox facilitate I’m all for it
Bruin1012
I think Bostons window opens this season if they manage to land another tor starter like Burnes.
They have more pitching depth in the Minors than I think I’ve ever seen. They should be able to weather some injuries with capable arms. Watch Hunter Dobbins very closely his velo has gone way up he’s a five pitch pitcher and he was really good especially after he took to that splinker like a fish to water.
They really need one more “dude” and this team could be very good. I’d especially like it if they moved Devers off of third and to DH. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Red Sox trade for Arenado at third shore up the infield defense. Suddenly with Arenado and Story on the left side and their excellent defense it changes everything. Problem is I think Devers might sulk if that happens but it would be best for the team and for keeping Devers healthy and his bat in the lineup.
It’s also possible that Bello takes a big step forward this season along with continued Houck excellence this could become a very formidable rotation with an excellent offense and improved defense.
proton
Acell
Duran is a nice piece but not an immediate need. We will need to replace an OFer or 2 in a couple years. We need IF help now. We need to win now.
I am afraid what this penny pinching ownership will do when the 4 kids come up for first contract. Will they trade them or open up the wallet and pay them. So win now before we lose them.
I was sure hoping these guys would have been honest and money was not a factor they would spend money to win. The promise they made was winning a WS was the number 1 objective. We lived through too many years as a money making team for ownership we need money invested to win.
Randall Charles
What’s the story with Duran why would he possibly be available?
acell10
Given his age and the relative youth on the red sox roster and in the upper level minors (despite this trade) moving Duran now at his peak makes the most sense. I’m not sure if he’s actually available but he should be.
sonorawind
Unless the Sox sign Teoscar, trading Duran will be a step backwards for the Sox in 2025. Actually, Duran is more valuable than Teoscar. If age is also a deciding factor,
acell10
they have other left handed Ofers on the way up. I’d rather cash out now than later
Sagacity
acell10 – Duran is nowhere near his peak. Trade the worthless Abreu. He’s had his numbers artificially pumped up and other teams won’t know that.
Duran is the real deal. Likely to be the only all-star hitter on the Red Sox in 2025.
Sagacity
acell10 – You don’t cash out on a perennial all-star.
Clearly you don’t like the best home grown OF since Mookie.
acell10
He’s not a perineal all star at least not yet and he doesn’t fit the time line. He’d bring back the best return
acell10
KD: you don’t know if he’s hit his peak or not but I am saying he’s at his peak value where the return would most benefit the red sox. Abreu isn’t worthless just because you dislike him. .
Rexhudler86
Wouldn’t surprise me if they check on Montgomery. All indications are dbacks would just dump the contract. With the prices so far 22.5 million isn’t crazy for a year.
letitbelowenstein
I heard yesterday that the Sox are still open to Pivetta. Are things that bad?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
George Kirby to Red Sox for Duran, Casas, and Slaten.
Sagacity
Ignorant = That’s insane. Duran is going nowhere and Kirby isn’t that good. Give them Mayer, Abreu and any of Bloom’s other choices that are going to suck and then sit back and watch Kirby under perform..
acell10
thats a gross overpay but not for the reasons KD 17 said. Duran should be available though.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I agree it’s a steep price but have you seen the monetary amounts shoveled out for solid starting pitching talent these days? Just a month ago I would have said Duran and Abreu along those lines.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Actually my bad, my last offer was Gilbert for Duran straight up. I regret that meagre offering now. Gulp.
Bruin1012
That’s an interesting offer. My guess the Mariners say no but Duran was really good and a complete disrupter at the plate and on the bases.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Looks like something is going to happen though…lots of smoke!!!
Sagacity
Ignorant – It’s logical to expect a horrendous trade based on past performance by Breslow but if he’s going to screw up he’ll move Anthony for Gilbert.
Let’s hope it doesn’t happen but I didn’t see him moving both Teel and Montgomery for a mid level SP from Chicago.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
The Red Sox should PASS on any of the Seattle pitchers unless it’s for Logan Gilbert and it’s a WIN WIN for both teams. Why would they deal with an unreasonable and lopsided trade?
The Red Sox should focus on trading for Edward Cabrera and/or Jared Jones and then go ALL OUT on trying to sign Roki Sasaki!
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
I agree with going all out on Sasaki, but I can’t imagine he won’t choose the Dodgers. If the Sox can get him that would be the perfect offseason signing.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Let me tell ya something real basic…Roki will not be going to Boston. So you can jettison that little hope & prayer. Sasaki wants a mid-market lower key environment because he has Japanese media all over his a$$ right now for leaving early.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
I’d never say never. We will find out soon enough.
Sagacity
1999 – If your follow the Red Sox you can say never. Why? Because they aren’t spending money. The Crochet giveaway involved next to no money. Analysts on MLB think its to open the door for a big purchase, but they are naive and unfamiliar with the ways of the Red Sox. Ownership hurt the team with the trade but made ownership a bunch more money avoiding spending big money to fill key spots.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
I agree that the Red Sox are being FRICKIN cheap. My never say never is in reference to Sasaki. There is a chance he will sign with the Red Sox or any of the other 29 teams
I do think they need to make Theo a minority owner and let him run the entire organization. That’s the only way they will get back to their winning ways!
JoeBrady
I like Jones, but Cabrera can’t pitch. He has a career FIP of 4.75.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
I think Cabrera could excel in a big market like Boston. It would be a low risk high reward trade. Potential future closer.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
If I still believed in Santa, I think the Red Sox should make an offer to the Reds they can’t refuse for Hunter Greene. He is a FRICKIN stud that would excel in a big market like Boston. Could Abreau, Casas, & Rafaela get it done?
Randall Charles
Woo, Arozerena, Tyler locklear
for
Duran, casas
Randall Charles
Tyler Locklear is a switch hitting to prospect in AAA and would hit moonshots in Fenway batting right handed. Great defender and good speed for a bigman
RHB Arozerena would be dynamic there as well
Woo pitched nasty this year, unhittable
Duran , casas are two lefties the Mariners are lacking. Sheds enough payroll to make further moves
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Interesting to chew on, I would like to keep Arozarena though. How about switch him for Matt Brash?
Randall Charles
Sure whatever it takes to land Duran. That guy seemed to wreck havoc when we played him
xpensivewinos
I’m sticking with my Casas for Luzardo deal…..;)
toycannon
Castillo for Devers
Sagacity
toycannon – Smartest suggestion in this string of comments. OUTSTANDING!!! You gain 10 games by losing his defense and his hitting is very replacable while Castillo makes for a decent 2nd #2 SP.
PrincessYuki
Do the Red Sox even have what a Mariners starter would cost?
John Pesky
Still banging on the trade for Sonny Gray drum