The Padres seem to have a budget crunch and are considering all kinds of options for how to stop feeling the squeeze. It was reported this week that they have been exploring the possibility of trading right-hander Dylan Cease and now Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that they have discussed trading infielder Luis Arráez. Jon Heyman of The New York Post reports that they have received inquires on Cease, Arráez and Xander Bogaerts as well.
It was reported this week that the club was probably going to have to drop its payroll commitments. They had a $169MM payroll in 2024 but RosterResource currently projects them to be at $210MM next year. It’s not known exactly where they need to wind up, but it should be somewhere in between those two numbers. Acee’s report from today suggests that Preller can be above $169MM but not by much. Trading prospects doesn’t seem to be a strong consideration since the club has done a lot of that in recent years. The farm is still highlighted by Leodalis De Vries and Ethan Salas but all reports have suggested those two are fairly untouchable.
That’s a tricky situation since the Friars need to upgrade at catcher, in an outfield corner and in the rotation. Doing so while also cutting spending is a difficult tightrope to walk. It’s a similar situation to last winter, when the Padres also had to scale back the budget but had notable concerns about the pitching depth and outfield.
President of baseball operations A.J. Preller somehow made it work by trading Juan Soto to the Yankees for a pile of pitchers, including Michael King and Drew Thorpe, with the latter then used to acquire Cease. They also moved shortstop prospect Jackson Merrill to center field, skipping him over Triple-A, and struck gold by signing Jurickson Profar for just $1MM. They ended up having a good season and getting back into the playoffs but now face another tough balancing act.
Bogaerts, Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr., Joe Musgrove and Yu Darvish are all making big money but those contracts are hard to move, both because the players are key parts of the roster and each has a full no-trade clause. Cease and Arráez, however, have no such protection and both are controlled for just one more season via arbitration. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Arráez for a salary of $14.6MM next year and Cease for $13.7MM.
That amount of money is perhaps a sweet spot. The players should have surplus value, meaning they would generate interest from other clubs, but the numbers are also big enough where a trade would reduce San Diego’s payroll by a notable amount.
It will be a delicate line for Preller to walk, especially with Cease. The rotation is already thin as it is, with Musgrove slated to miss most or all of 2025 recovering from Tommy John surgery. There’s a strong front three of Cease, King and Darvish but question marks after that. Moving Cease could save some money and bring back a return of some kind, but it would make the rotation depth even thinner. Getting Roki Sasaki would be ideal since he’s very good and will be limited to a small signing bonus, but there’s no guarantees there and it will be another month before there’s clarity on the situation.
One thing that could help is converting a reliever to a full-time starting role, as they did with King last year and Seth Lugo before. AJ Cassavell of MLB.com relays that Preller has identified Adrián Morejón, Bryan Hoeing and Stephen Kolek as candidates for such a move.
MLBTR looked into the possibility of stretching out Morejón in October, though MLBTR readers were fairly split on the idea, with a slight majority favoring him staying in the bullpen. The argument for stretching him out is that he was once a highly-regarded starting pitching prospect before getting derailed by injuries. In 2024, he was healthy enough to avoid the IL all year, tossing 63 2/3 innings out of the bullpen with a 2.83 ERA, 26.1% strikeout rate, 7.7% walk rate and 51.4% ground ball rate. The Padres could just keep him in that role since it worked for him but they could also view that healthy season as a springboard to a larger workload in 2025.
Neither Hoeing nor Kolek had the same prospect pedigree as Morejón but both have largely worked in relief after coming up as starters in the minors. Hoeing tossed 53 2/3 innings in 2024 with a 2.18 ERA, 20.5% strikeout rate, 6.7% walk rate and 48.3% ground ball rate. Kolek tossed 46 2/3 innings with a 5.21 ERA, 18.5% strikeout rate, 5.7% walk rate and 55.9% ground ball rate.
Any of the three would be far cheaper than Cease. Hoeing and Kolek are still in their pre-arbitration years. Morejón’s injuries have limited him to modest $1.8MM projection for next year even though he has more than four years of service time. That price point is attractive but there’s obviously big risk in flipping an established starter like Cease and hoping for these guys to slot in for him.
With Arráez, it’s a bit easier to see the logic. Without him, the club could have an infield of Machado, Bogaerts and Jake Cronenworth from left to right. Finding a passable first baseman for less than what Arráez is slated to make is more plausible than replacing Cease with a pitcher of similar quality. They could flip Arráez for whatever clubs are willing to offer in return, then theoretically sign someone like Donovan Solano, Carlos Santana or Justin Turner for less money.
But on the other hand, the teams interested in Arráez could also look to those options as reasons to not give up much in trade. Despite winning three straight batting titles, Arráez is a fairly limited player since he’s not a strong defender, doesn’t walk much and doesn’t provide power. He’s certainly useful but Acee suggests Cease is more likely to move because the prices on starting pitching have been aggressive this winter, meaning he would have more interest than Arráez despite having essentially the same projected salary.
The Bogaerts possibility in interesting but the least likely of the three to come together. As mentioned, he has a full no-trade clause and would have to approve any deal. He’s also set to make $25MM annually for another nine years, leaving $225MM left on his deal. Heyman suggests that the strong spending this winter makes the deal look more attractive than before, but that’s still an underwater deal.
Bogaerts is three years older than Willy Adames, who just got a guarantee of $182MM from the Giants. He’s also coming off a down year in which he missed time due to injury and slashed .264/.307/.381 for a 95 wRC+. His shortstop defense has also been questionable enough that the Padres moved him to second base in deference to Ha-Seong Kim, though he did retake the position late in the year when Kim was hurt. Even if the Padres found a taker for Bogaerts, it would create a shortstop vacancy and add another item to the to-do list. Re-signing Kim is theoretically possible but he’s still recovering from shoulder surgery and might not be a factor in the first half of the season. The free agent market doesn’t have any more clear-cut everyday options.
Speculatively speaking, it’s a bit easier to see this kind of thing with Cronenworth, who had been in trade rumors in the past. Going into 2023, he and the Padres agreed to a seven-year, $80MM extension for the 2024-30 seasons. He then had a down year in 2023 and the Friars looked into moving him during last winter’s budget crunch but didn’t get anything done. He bounced back with a .241/.324/.390 showing in 2024 for a 105 wRC+, much better than his .229/.312/.378 line and 91 wRC+ in 2023.
He is still owed $71MM over the next six years but that’s less than a third of the money left on the Bogaerts deal. Cronenworth is also a bit younger, turning 31 in January. Trading him would open a hole at second base for the Friars, unless they are willing to play Arráez there, but free agency features Gleyber Torres, Jose Iglesias, Jorge Polanco and other possible replacements.
There are many factors for Preller to balance as he puts together next year’s club, but it’s at least a position he’s familiar with. Naturally, how he proceeds will depend on what other clubs are offering for Cease or Arráez or other players, but it will interesting to see him juggle all the different elements.
FanDan
You can move Bogaerts for a Walmart gift card. Just dumping the salary would be huge.
towinagain
Nah don’t want to hear the term ‘Salary Dump’.
Salary Dumps lead to Firesales.
FanDan
They don’t put the money in the bank. They reallocate to a couple of players that are more productive. It opens possibilities.
VegasSDfan
I think Xander would play well in Boston. Some players just struggle with new teams. He has been ok, just not what we expected.
baseballguru
Not me I did a back flip lol
JoeBrady
I think Xander would play well in Boston.
======================
He always had some H/A. Not horrible, but enough to take notice.
Past that, yeah, he’s okay. The biggest problem is just the age. This was like an Angels signing. When you sign a guy at age 30, you shouldn’t expect more than 3 good years.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Padres are a sure fire wild card team or a division winner with some luck. No way they are trading Cease, not even if Sakai joins them.
Arraez could easily be traded if and it is a big if the Padres really want to lower payroll. The Padres won’t get much of a return unless they eat some of the salary which would defeat the point of the mini-dump. But they paid very little to acquire Arraez in the first instance.
Bogaerts is not going anywhere he is the one main albatross contract, they just have to hope he is healthy and produces.
Yankees and Giants need first basemen, Bellinger and Arraez are alternatives to Alonso and Christian Walker.
Ma4170
As a met fan I’ve been wanting to trade for Arraez – i think he fills a need in that lineup. I would move Acuna but my fellow met fans love him and for one year rental not wise.
I do think Butto for Arraez makes sense and SD loves pitchers like Butto. Again, i think Arraez could really help the lineup but i think I’m in the minority
rct
@Ma4170: I have to disagree vehemently on Arraez to the Mets. First, where would he play? McNeil is at 2B, so first base is a possibility, but his bat doesn’t provide enough value to justify that. Second, he provides no value defensively and his high average still only yields an OPS+ just over league average. He finished 17th (!) on the Padres in WAR. I get it wasn’t a full season but he would not have even put up 1.5 WAR if he was there a full season.
I would not even consider Acuña for one year of Arraez. That’s lunacy. I wouldn’t even consider Butto as the Mets need bullpen far more than they need an expensive hitter like Arraez. Plus Butto is cheap with control. Just my opinions, but I’m a big “no” on Arraez to the Mets.
Ma4170
1b or DH… remember, his down months last year were june and july when he hurt his shoulder. Look at his WRC+ the two years prior – 130 each year. And basically a 3 WAR. Hes a quality player and one who provides the type of value on offense almost nobody does anymore.
I also dont think acuna will be a star at all, so i have that bias. Like i said though, very few would agree w me.
rct
I actually don’t disagree with you on Acuña. I don’t think he’ll be a star, either. Solid player, maybe a super utility like Iglesias last year. But I don’t think he’ll ever be a 4+ WAR player.
But even considering what you’re saying, it’s still only one year of Arraez. If the Padres are trying to trade him, it’s because they feel his salary doesn’t match his production. That’s not the kind of player the Mets should be acquiring. And if they are, they should only be offering mid-tier prospects and if the Padres don’t take it, so be it.
Simm
If he did a 3-4 war year last year it would be great value. Playing with a torn ligament in your thumb turns out hurts your numbers.
websoulsurfer
Ma, Arraez tore a tendon in his thumb in May and played with that injury the rest of the season.
Ma4170
@rct
I see your point, but like others said, i think he’s more the player he was in his non-injury years before that.
I dont think the mets will do it anyway, but i really dont want a high K inconsistent power hitter type.
Ma4170
@surfer oh i thought shoulder? Maybe i mixed that w kim. I knew it was an injury that nagged him.
websoulsurfer
The Padres are not trying to trade Arraez. The media is. The GM and other FO have said they are not trading him.
The GM said at the Winter Meetings that they have received calls on people and are always willing to listen. That does not mean they are trying to trade those players.
It means those players are valuable enough that other teams want them on their team.
rct
@Ma4170: I think Arraez will be around 3 WAR next year. But take a look at the package the Marlins got for him. Per MLB Pipeline, only one of them (Head) is in the Marlins top 30 prospects. I can’t find any list that puts any of the four prospects in the top 100 in the league. And that was for almost two years of Arraez.
Now it’s only for one year and he’s coming off of injury and a down year. If you really want him, I don’t think it would cost more than a couple of mid-range prospects. Butto or Acuña would be an overpay, imo.
Blue Baron
Don’t know how the Padres would react, but I would try to build a package around McNeil.
Simm
Padres wouldnt want McNeil.
Ma4170
Too much money… they want to clear some salary room
Ma4170
@rct well in a package for cease that should help reduce the return ask then theoretically, and can still get a quality bat that gives this lineup consistent contact skills they often lack
Thats just my preference, i know not everyone agrees
Brew88
We need to afford the same mulligan to Bogey, who has been hurt I. Most of his SD tenure
Blue Baron
Bought whom?
websoulsurfer
McNeil is going into his age 33 season and is guaranteed $33.5 million. McNeil doesn’t fill any of the Padres needs. He is a very bad fit in San Diego.
The Padres need a catcher, a SP, and a starting LF.
If had said Ronny Mauricio and Blade Tidwell for Arraez and a relief pitcher like Peralta that would be worth considering.
The Padres sent the Marlins Woo Suk-Go, the AFL MVP in Marsee, Martorella, and Dillon Head, the 25th overall pick in the draft the season before.
Dillion Head, who just turned 20 in October, had hip surgery after suffering an injury sliding into 2B in a game in June. He was #5 on the Marlins top 30 wat the time of the trade and is still one of the Marlins top prospects at #7. He will move up once he starts playing again. As long as he returns well from the hip surgery, his 80 speed and great plate discipline are things that point to him being a regular in the majors in 2-3 years
Marsee is still one of the Marlins better prospects at #21 after having a very good showing in AAA for the Marlins. He was always considered a 4th OF type of player and was just outside the top 100 lists at the end of 2023.
Martorella, a CA native, struggled in Pensacola after tearing it up in San Antonio to start the season and fell out of the Marlins top 30 prospects.
All 3 started the season in the Padres top 30 and in the Marlins top 30 at the time of the trade.
Not sure what happened to Woo-Suk Go. He was supposed to be a decent back of the pen type pitcher when the Padres signed him but has not been able to adjust to American baseball.
Here is what was said about that trade at the time.
mlb.com/news/luis-arraez-to-padres-trade-analysis
Blue Baron
Woo-Suk Went, lol.
websoulsurfer
4.9 WAR and 4.2 WAR in 2023 and 2022. I take it you don’t understand what those numbers mean.
Of course you don’t. You are a troll. What am I talking about. Time to crawl back under your bridge.
xpensivewinos
Tatis, Darvish & Musgrove are albatross contracts as well….. Preller is good at spending lots of other people’s money. He’s just not good at spending it wisely. The Padres a boned for the foreseeable future…..
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Xpensive
Tatis is a good contract, half the cost of Soto, only $20.7 million for 2025, platinum glove and electric bat. If he can keep his to head straight, he is top ten player in league
padrepapi
I think Tatis might cost as much over the next 5 years as Soto will cost next year alone factoring in his 2025 salary and 75m signing bonus.
Love Tatis’ contract!!
Simm
Tatis has one of the best contracts in the game.
websoulsurfer
Add in the CBT fines the Mets will be paying and you may be underestimating that on the Soto side padrepapi. Love that Tatis contract.
jopeness
@xpensive,
I don’t really think Darvish and Tatis are bad contracts. They aren’t paying Yu starting pitching $$. Easily could move him to the bullpen if he ages fast. Also remember he returned to form in 2022. Its not like they had 2-3 seasons to see him before giving the ext.
Tatis, they employed the same strategy Braves did. I’d really revisit it half way through to really make any kind of determination on the quality.
The contracts that raise my eyebrows is for sure Bogaerts because he started tailing off in Boston and Machado jumping to 39m in 2026 and staying there for 8! More years
Fernando P
@xpensivewinos – More than happy to help Padres lower payroll by taking Tatis for the Yankees. A chance to have a Yankee jersey and add the name “Fernando” on the back.
websoulsurfer
Yu has a great contract. It is frontloaded and its AAV is low.
Last season he had a 3.31 ERA in 16 starts. He spent so much time on the restricted list dealing with a family issue that he cost the Padres just $15 million instead of $20 million.
The next 4 seasons he will make $2o, $15, $14, and $14 million. A $15.75 million AAV.
As a Padre he has a 3.79 ERA and ranks 28th in MLB since they traded for him.
VegasSDfan
Tatis plays with energy, hits well, has speed, a nice glove. Yeah, he is a bargain
labial
Darvish worth it if only for Sasaki
cwsOverhaul
Not sure about that. NL East could grab 2 of the wild cards with its 3 relative powerhouses. That leaves them fighting teams like Dbacks/Giants (if LAD division)and Reds/Cubs (if Milw division) for one WC spot.
websoulsurfer
Especially not if Sasaki joins them. Preller said Arraez will not be traded. Arraez had a 4+ WAR the two seasons before arriving here. Padres expect that after his hand heals from a torn tendon that he played with from mid-May on, that he will be back to that level of player. Stupid to trade him now after a lower than usual season for him. But then most commenters on here are not Terence Tao.
Ma4170
Keep it down, im trying to buy low on him! 😉
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I’m going to have to look up Terence Tao.
websoulsurfer
Mathematician at UCLA.
Jbigz12
You’d have to give a team about $60MM worth of Wal Mart gift cards to get Bogey off the team…..
vpsd
They could take on another bad deal (like Yoshida from Boston) and then pay off less of the Bogart’s deal. But yeah 60 is probably the amount it’s underwater
websoulsurfer
So far, it’s not underwater at all. 5.6 WAR is $51.8 million in value and Bogaerts was paid a $25 million salary in 2023 and 2024.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Web
Agree, but you expect to generate a surplus in the first few years to justify the decline in latter years. So he is only correct in calling it underwater based upon the anticipated trend, not on the actual performance.
Simm
Tatis is only signed through age 35. Not really the decline years.
websoulsurfer
Can’t anticipate a trend based on one year. Takes 3 minimum.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Simm
Your comment is probably directed toward someone else, but I am talking about Bogey. Tatis is an absolutely great contract, Darvish is a good contract. Musgrove is an injury concern, Bogey is trending wrong way.
vpsd
The underwater portion is projecting the last 5 years
luckyh
Totally don’t believe they’ve had inquiries on him with that contract.
ButchieYost619
X Man is certainly worthy of the contract at this point in time … next year and beyond? Maybe not… When Gary Sanchez/Danny Jansen get 8.5 coming off last season, it’s safe to say X is currently worth the deal.
luckyh
9 years vs 1, apples and oranges
rizdakc99
The Padres learned nothing from their Hosmer signing
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Sad but true. Like Hosmer, the likes of Keith Law were panning Bogaerts’ performance/age curve in publicly visible articles at the time the Padres were courting him.
ryrockak
Absolutely. If somebody wants to take on that contract you do it in a heartbeat. It’s not just his age during the contract but I believe his hitting is going to be average going forward
towinagain
Penny Pimching Padres.
wallabeechamp
I wonder where Tatis ends up long term?
Please not the Dodgers
VermonsterSD
Tatis isn’t going anywhere, laughable you think otherwise. He’s one of the most affordable contracts for what he produces.
Brew88
Wasn’t this rumor from Acee picked up and flown by mlbtr Monday? Now that Acee is back to work the reposters are working overtime.
Brew88
Projected payroll for 2025 is $210M, which would put them in the top dozen or so teams. Which means higher than last year. Which means well above mid-range in the league.
Simm
Yeah though that 210 may come down some
Brew88
That seems to be the media messaging, and maybe so. Or it could be higher. We don’t know.
VegasSDfan
210 million is penny pinching? They are trying to free up space to spend. The Padres care more about winning than money.
bwmiller79
Bologna sandwich. Luis Arraez leaves the Padres and the Padres can make reservations for third place in the NL West.
They need to trade all their prospects for Shane McClanahan, I’d be will to bet they can pry him away from the Rays. McClanahan, Cease, King, Dharvish —
Resign Profar and the Padres are ready to go in ’25.
Cincyfan85
Did you read the article? They need to shed money…
websoulsurfer
Do you believe writers more than the people that actually know what is going on? NONE of the Padres ownership group or GM have said they need to cut payroll.
All of them have said the same thing. The Padres would like to be closer to 2024 than 2023 and that they have no set payroll in mind. Their goal is to win in 2025. As they have all put it, to have a parade in San Diego.
In 2023 their payroll was $291 million.
2024 was $231 million.
Closer to 2024 could mean $260 million.
Considering the fact that as it stands at $244 million today with the need to add a minimum of 4 players, the Padres won’t be cutting payroll from the 2024 level. People seriously need to pay attention to what the people in charge say instead of writers like Acee.
Remember, Acee is the guy that said that the Padres ABSOLUTELY had to cut opening day payroll $100 million and CBT payroll below $231 million for 2024. He didn’t say they want to or that it was their goal to do so, he said that MLB was forcing them to because of debt service rules. Neither happened. Not even close. Opening day payroll was $17 million more than he said MLB would allow and CBT payroll was $231 million as already mentioned.
What DID happen is they dipped below the CBT threshold for a season to prevent them from paying as high of CBT fines, losing draft picks and international free agent pool money, and to give them more flexibility. But the truth doesn’t sell newspapers, so Acee keeps lying.
Acee is also the guy that mild mannered Shildt called out for continuing to ask the same stupid question over and over even after Shildt had told him he was wrong.
Can you tell I don’t hold Acee in high regard? Neither does anyone else that reads him often. Neither does Shildt as we all saw and heard in that press conference. There is a reason that Preller will no longer do a one-on-one interview with him.
So consider the source of the information you read. Look to the people that actually know like the CEO, managing partner, and GM and listen to what they have said.
Brew88
Acee, who is thee Padres beat writer, has a bad habit of pushing his wild opinions as a way to extract an emotional response from players and FO. But everyone in the Padre sphere is on to his game. It’s the national media, kooky click bait folks like those at Sporting News, who are his last cheap food source, the talapia of his fishing expedition.
Simm
To be fair Dennis Lin is pushing similar stories.
websoulsurfer
Lin, the guy that in his last article repeated the lie that the Padres borrowed money to cover payroll even though Padres took out the loan after the season was over and he knows that the loan was for Gallagher Square and completing the purchase of the land at Tailgate Park from the city? That Lin?
Simm
Web- the only thing that’s going to convince you that any of these reports are true is when they happen.
websoulsurfer
Simm, Lin’s reports have not come true, and he keeps repeating things that are proven to be wrong. Acee’s claims about Padres payroll necessities did not come true. When one of them actually happens, get back to me.
websoulsurfer
Hey
Reds, STFU unless you are going to grow a pair and un-mute me.
The Padres traded Soto last year and got better. What other trades did they make that were payroll focused? That would be none.
They allowed 6 players to move on in FA including 4 pitchers and it turned out to be a good move in each case since they replaced them with players just as good or better for less money.
So talk about things you might have a valid opinion on like the best chili in Cincinnati.
Johnnie Cochran
You can’t complain about others muting you if you have so much as one person muted. Whoever muted you probably feels just as justified in doing so as you feel in muting whoever you have muted.
This one belongs to the Reds
They didn’t want to believe it last year either until they started shipping out people.
Seamaholic
Arraez was a one win player in 2024. One. He makes $14m. He has NEGATIVE value. They’re better off dumping his salary and using that money for a more impactful player.
websoulsurfer
Arraez was a 4.9, 4.2, and 3.4 WAR player the 3 seasons before that and a 12.5 WAR player over those 3 seasons. He is 27 years old. Having a 1 WAR in a season where he got hurt in May and played the rest of the season with a torn tendon in his thumb does not negate the value he can bring to a team.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think he will be a 1 WAR player going forward.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Se
In this instance, throw advanced metrics out the window. This is a 3x batting champ with a lifetime. 372 OBP. It was low at .349 but that’s might as well be .400 considering what the norm is today. How he gets on base (walk vs hit) doesn’t matter. Padres want to extend him but they can’t reach an agreement. He’s in his last year or arbitration. He’s likely to be around $15 mil. Absolutely deserve it and there is no need for the Padres to eat anything. I wish my Yanks go after him.
Simm
The padres haven’t started extension talks with him yet. Said that will happen during spring training. Padres want to extend Arraez, King and Merrill. We shall see if they get any of them done.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Simm
Not arguing with you but the article says they are considering trading him. If they are considering that without entering into a discussion about an extention then that sounds like they may not be looking to extend him. I read an article here 3 days ago that stated they’re was an internal debate over his value. We’ll see.
Simm
Most here say if they can sign him to a long term deal and lower his aav they would. If not then they may actually trade him. Preller will trade anyone for the right price.
websoulsurfer
Knicks. Arraez is in Venezuela right now. The Padres will talk to him about an extension when he gets back for Spring Training, just like he and Preller have already said.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@web
His agent works in LA and they have phones in Venezuela.
websoulsurfer
The player and the GM of the team he plays for have said they will address it when he returns for spring training.
Big money and big life decisions are not made over a phone call. They are made in face-to-face meetings.
You obviously have never worked in any field with contracts larger than minimum wage.
Johnnie Cochran
Ridiculous
KnicksFanCavsFan
Cmon Cash. Of Arraez allows for an extending talks period, we should look into it.
Durbin and a lower prospect straight up.
Tiger22matt
Every prospect other than Dominguez is a lower prospect by baseball standards. The Yankees system may be the worst in baseball.
LFGSD619
Why should he do that when he’s only a year out from free agency? And if he was willing to do that the Padres wouldn’t trade him they would sign him.
HiredGun23
“Getting Roki Sasaki would be ideal since he’s very good…”
I love the 3rd grade take. Thanks, Darragh…I needed the chuckle.
wallabeechamp
Ok. This is ridiculous. Can’t afford Cease or Arraez this year, but for whatever reason still want to feign contention.
What this really means is we can’t afford King either, so we may as well move home too.
Boegarts is unmovable without sending significant money or a prospect with him.
I’ll wait for another of the blindly faithful to tell me to ‘trust AJ’…
Brew88
AJ doesn’t set the budget
wallabeechamp
No, he doesn’t. He mismanages it
Informed Sportsball Discussion
I could be wrong, but I’m willing to pin the awful Bogaerts signing on a man who knew he had limited time left going all out to win a championship.
It’s fair to say the parameters AJ has to work with have changed, and that part is not his fault. The Bally Sports TV collapse clearly has radically altered the Padre coffers.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
TRUST AJ.
….
(You don’t really have to. My OCD just told me someone needed to say it.)
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Padres are stuck with Arraez unless they eat some money or take back a similar contract of sorts.
Padres can still deal Cease or King and get back a plug in rotation option plus more if need be. I think Mets make sense. Cease or King in a deal for Brandon Sproat (#40 mlb.com) and Luisangel Acuna.
At 14 mill (Cease) and 7 mill (King) youre acquiring a front line starter for cheap. Team like the Mets who just signed Soto could use a cheap rotation option this year for sure and benefit from the QO they can offer either one.
Padres pick up a replacement in Sproat and Luisangel can replace Profar in the OF.
Luisangel Acuna or Ronnie Mauricio.
I think Mets move Vientos to 1B and go get Arenado to improve the defense around the horn.
bwmiller79
It’s not an awful idea if you get Acuna and Jonah Tong, and a couple other prospects, whether it be Tidwell or Ronny Mauricio, it actually isn’t that bad of a trade for the Padres.
Acuna would be the most important piece though. And Jonah Tong is their best pitching prospects in my opinion.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Id be fine with a quantity package
Blade Tidwell
1 of Tong or McLean who’s slider reminds me of King’s
1 of Acuna or Mauricio
Maybe Kevin Parada to add catching depth to the system
bwmiller79
Yeah I watched some tape on Sproat, he is far and away the Mets best pitching prospect. I don’t know what I was thinking, have developed a fondness for Jonah Tong who I think will be a good starter in MLB and who flys under the radar a bit.
Sproat is ridiculous though. Mets shouldn’t be considering any trades for Sproat or Acuna.
Ma4170
Is that package for King or Cease?
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
The mets are currently project to have Senga, Montas, Peterson, Holmes, Blackburn as their 5
Definitely think they need someone like Cease or King to push Holmes to a 5 in case he struggles to transition from reliever to starter.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Yes
bwmiller79
I watched some more tape on Sproat, he is legit, he’s the Mets best pitching prospect, I have developed a fondness for Jonah Tong, believe in him as a quality starter, but to say he is the Mets best prospect is an overstatement because Sproat has filthy stuff. Almost to the point that he is untradeable. I’d say Acuna is untradeable too, given the Mets recent expenditures.
But a package of Tidwell, Tong, Mauricio, Baty and Parada might nail down Dylan Cease.
Padres could sign Bauer to replace him and trade for McLanahan. They’d be in good shape. Mets would be in good shape.
Ma4170
Yes agree… as a met fan i’d love king and arraez and would give acuna (they have Jett, who’s a better version of him), Tidwell, mclean or tong, and one of their C prospects since they have several. Even a player like vargas could be added to sweeten it.
And then the mets would have to extend one of them. Cant give up prospects like that for just rentals
Ma4170
I would want arraez too for all that.
And yes, sproat is filthy.
Btw so is tidwell, but i see his future as a power RP
And i dont think acuna is untouchable, and dont think the mets view him that way either.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Tidwell, Mauricio, 1 of Tong or McLean, Parada and a throw in like Baty will definitely get you Cease
If you swap out Mauricio for Acuna I think you can get King who’s cheaper by 7 mill than Cease.
But yes I think an agreement should be in place for a reasonable extension from the Mets. Much like Dodgers did with Glasnow.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
You sure? Cause I think you could add a better 1B/DH option for 14 mill or less than Arraez. Like a Justin Turner
bwmiller79
It’s the message board or it’s my phone, uncertain, but acting up a bit tonight, apologies for the double entendre – but for a third time, Mets should be moving Sproat into the rotation this year, that kid has filthy stuff. And after paying Soto, they need a player like Acuna to develop, there is little benefit in trading him. They need prospects to develop.
Now if somebody wanted to trade for Baty, Tidwell, Mauricio, Parada, Jonah Tong, etc… great, let’s make a deal, but I’d think Acuna and Sproat are untradeable.
I don’t even think I’d trade Sproat for Shane McClanahan or Sandy Alcantara with both coming back from TJ.
Ma4170
Agree bwmiller, sproat looks like the real deal
Ma4170
@harrison
Thats me, i love arraez, and the mets have a lot of swing and miss in their lineup. They could use a bat like his. When he’s healthy, hes put up 130 wrc+ seasons too. And hes only 27, so could have even better years ahead.
And it might soften the prospects we’d have to give for cease or king 😉
LFGSD619
“And then the mets would have to extend one of them. Cant give up prospects like that for just rentals”
Well sure you can. The Padres did it for Justin Upton 10 years ago. The Yankees did it for Juan Soto 1 year ago.
Ma4170
True, so i’ll clarify, I wouldn’t want them to do that
LFGSD619
Yeah, I’ll be sure to tell David Stearns that Ma4170 from MLBTR doesn’t want them to do that.
Ma4170
Thanks… tell him I send my love
websoulsurfer
Harry,
Last 3 seasons (age next season)
Arraez (28 yr old) – 10.1 WAR 120 OPS+
Turner (40 yr old) – 5.9 WAR 116 OPS+
Arraez was nearly twice as good overall and better with the bat.
rct
I don’t think the Mets would even consider Sproat and Acuña for one year of Cease. Sproat is their most highly-touted pitching prospect in years, they have no desire to trade him. Throwing in Acuña as well and no thanks.
“Team like the Mets who just signed Soto could use a cheap rotation option this year for sure”
You know who is a cheap rotation option for this year? Sproat. There’s plenty of chatter that he might make the team out of spring training or after a month or so in AAA.
Also Arenado to the Mets makes negative sense. If they’re going to spend $20+ million a year on a corner infielder, they’ll keep their prospects and just re-sign Alonso.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
A dude coming off an 8 era, worrisome 1.7 whip, 6.6 k/9 and 3.5 bb/9 at aaa definitely isn’t ready to be a cheap rotation option anytime soon.
So you rather hand out a long term contract to Alonso at 1B where Soto may need to eventually be put instead of trading some mid range prospects for Arenado to man 3B for 3 years? So you don’t want 3 years 52 mill at 3B but you’d rather have Alonso at 1B for 5,6,7,8 years at anywhere between 160-200 mill or more? Ok if you say so
Ma4170
Sproat only had 7 aaa starts so im not concerned. I could see him doing well april and may and coming up in june
rct
“A dude coming off an 8 era, worrisome 1.7 whip, 6.6 k/9 and 3.5 bb/9 at aaa definitely isn’t ready to be a cheap rotation option anytime soon.”
lmaooo so now Sproat sucks? Then why is he your feature piece in a Cease trade? Let’s look at his seven starts in AAA in his first minor league season and ignore his dominance at AA and A. This isn’t a kid fresh out of high school. He’s 24. He’ll be on the Mets major league club at some point this season barring injury. You’ll see.
“So you don’t want 3 years 52 mill at 3B but you’d rather have Alonso at 1B for 5,6,7,8 years at anywhere between 160-200 mill or more?”
Don’t want Arenado at all, no. He’s aging, declining, and barely a league average bat at this point. And he’s expensive. I also think Alonso is much closer to 5/$120 million. No team is giving him more than 6 years and no team is coming anywhere near $200 million. I would take Pete at $25 million for the next 5-6 years and I’m not even a big Alonso guy.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Reading isn’t your strong suit I see
Where did I say he sucks now? I said “ definitely isn’t ready to be a cheap rotation option anytime soon” could need a couple months in aaa could need another year. You’re banking on a kid who scuffed in his first taste of aaa to be a cheap rotation option this year. Not always the best idea to promote pitching prospect too soon.
Aging, declining, league average bat. But you want to pay Alonso significantly more years and more money than Arenado who will also be aging and declining? Least Arenado is on a short term contract and offers defense at 3B to off set his league average bat. It’s one thing if you’re like no thanks on Arenado rather give Baty a shot. But it’s down right comical to knock Arenado and say let’s pay Alonso more money and more years instead as if he’s not going through the very same things Arenado is. Except he already plays 1B so not like you can stick him somewhere and get more value out of him and his contract.
Ma4170
@rct sproat is their most untouchable prospect, no shot of him being trades. And arenado shouldnt even be a consideration
bwmiller79
I didn’t look at his numbers, just watched the tape at YouTube. I guess he struck out 11 in a row. I watched enough to see the life on his pitches, he has good mechanics, is a big kid, big body, strong arm, fluid motion, throws aggressively but without any real effort, meaning he gets a lot on his pitches but doesn’t have to overthrow to do it. He reminded me a little of Justin Verlander. Not sure he is as polished, he looked a little wild, but he has the same mentality and athleticism. Good prospect.
websoulsurfer
Since we are dealing with multiple stupid comments I will just paste this here and in any others I see instead of taking the time to retype it.
Arraez was a 4.9, 4.2, and 3.4 WAR player the 3 seasons before 2024 and a 12.5 WAR player over those 3 seasons. He is 27 years old. Having a 1 WAR in a season where he got hurt in May and played the rest of the season with a torn tendon in his thumb does not negate the value he can bring to a team.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think he will be a 1 WAR player going forward.
Ma4170
@surfer
Exactly
rct
“It takes a special kind of stupid to think he will be a 1 WAR player going forward.”
I don’t think anyone thinks he will be 1 WAR next year. But if the over/under is 3 WAR, give me the under. His 2023 was buoyed by a very high BABIP. His walk rate has plummeted. He seemingly can’t play anywhere but 1B anymore, which blunts his value. And now he’s coming off of injury as well, meaning his offseason training is now partially a recovery period.
Also I’m not sure of the exact date in May of his injury but his season OPS was .719 on May 13. What was his excuse up until then?
websoulsurfer
rct, including that 1 WAR season he has averaged 3.4 WAR the last 4 seasons. If you are betting against him being at a minimum that good now that he is healthy, you are a broke gambler.
His SO rate has also plummeted to use your word. Other than 2024 when he tore a tendon in his thumb on May 12th, shortly after being traded from the Marlins, while his BB% and SO% was dropping his OBP was going up. A clue for you. Look up the value of a single vs the value of a walk towards run creation. As long as he has a .370 OBP with a 3.4% SO rate I can care less if he walks 3.1%
He has a 4 DRS at 2B over the last 3 season. That is above average. He has also played more games at 2B than any other position the last 3 seasons. 217 vs 138 at 1B Bogaerts played 2B for the Padres because Kim was a better defensive SS and Bogaerts was the best 2B they had.
Typically major league players take some time off and begin offseason workouts in December to be ready for spring training. Arraez offseason training has not skipped a beat. The recovery time for the surgery he had on October 15th is 4-6 weeks meaning he is already 3-4 weeks into full baseball activities mode. The Padres expected him to start his hitting regimen in 8 weeks after the surgery and he is ahead of that schedule. There have been videos of him working out and hitting with the Magallanes in Valencia Venezuela for a couple of weeks now.
Johnnie Cochran
@web Just so we’re clear, you are saying you *do* care if he walks 3.1%?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Harrison
This is the 3x reigning batting champ. Put WAR aside. He has a lifetime .372 OBP and he’s only making $10 mil going into his last year of arbitration. The Padres don’t have to eat anything.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
You’re living in an analytics era my friend.
A guy with no home defensively and not enough offensive power to justify putting at 1B / DH he’s a good player but not someone team these days are looking to stick at 1B or DH.
I mean what’s his OF defense like? I’ve seen some butchers put out there over the years. If it’s even remotely passable I’d stick him out in LF to replace Profar honestly.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I would stick him at 2b. I’d bat him in between Jazz and Judge. With Jazz base stealing ability and Arraez abilities to put the bat on the ball,Jazz should be on 2d or 3d each and every time Judge is up to bat. Jazz should lead the league in scoring and Judge in RBI from all of those hits/sacrifice flies.
LFGSD619
And if they did he’d be non-tendered. Players who are still in arb can’t have negative trade value.
websoulsurfer
Padres reportedly asked for Abreu a starting LF, Mayer the #8 overall prospect, Fitts a MLB starting pitcher, and Gonzalez an MLB ready starting pitcher from the Red Sox
While I would be happy with Sproat and Acuna being part of a trade for Cease, Preller obviously wants more than that.
As much as Sproat struggled against higher level competition in the minors, he is not MLB ready yet. So that would make an already thin pitching depth even thinner in 2025.
LFGSD619
“Padres are stuck with Arraez unless they eat some money or take back a similar contract of sorts.”
Not at all. Any contender would trade for him right now. And if they wouldn’t Preller would have non-tendered him.
Old York
Yankees should be all in on him. Big on-base guy for the big boppers.
Oh, wait, Yankees don’t have big boppers.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Old
So you think the Yanks are going to sir on their hand and not address 1b, 2b and LF?
Judge, Stanton, Wells, Jazz and JD are all guys that should hit 20+ hrs each.
cookmeister 2
can he play 2nd base anymore? I know he wasn’t great there before, but workable?
CNichols
He played like 40 games there last year. He can do it, he just grades out poorly defensively
websoulsurfer
Cook, the answer is yes and he is about league average as a 2B for his career and has been better than that over the last 3 seasons.
The Padres had Bogaerts at 2B and Cronenworth at 1B, so no place to play Arraez in the field regularly.
websoulsurfer
Here are his defensive stats
-1 DRS for his career at 2B
4 DRS for the last 3 seasons at 2B
baseball-reference.com/players/a/arraelu01.shtml#p…
Moneyballer
For the love of moses stop trading this guy! Let the man relax and win batting titles.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Agreed
tbone0816
Arraez for Arenado
Blue Baron
Not happening. You must be a Cardinals fan with a drug habit.
Butter Biscuits
Lets go goose!
deweybelongsinthehall
The Padres will have to pay down the Bogie contract so much that it likely wouldn’t be worthwhile. Maybe a creative deal where the incoming team pays now but the Friars pay the full freight for the last 3 years. Such gives them immediate relief and they can hope the next CBA improves their position. At $25m x 6, there still wouldn’t be a return but like I said it gives them immediate relief. Spend some on a replacement but they then keep Cease to make a 25 run. After 25, they will need to rebuild the staff anyway.
vtadave
Hey there’s only 9 years left!!
deweybelongsinthehall
Yes, new team pays the next six and the Padres pay the last three
websoulsurfer
Or the Padres could not do something moronic like trying to trade him coming off an injury filled season and just expect he will return to the 2023 level of performance that provided them with surplus value.
But then that would not be sensationalistic enough to get people to click on the article, now would it?
rmullig2
The best deal they could make for Arraez it to trade him to the Yankees for Trevino. The Yankees could bring up Rice to be the backup C/1B and the Padres would fill one hole while lowering payroll.
FanDan
They need to move Arraez. He isn’t worth $15M. But this offer falls into the category of lunacy.
deweybelongsinthehall
For the right team, Arraez has value. That team could be the Yankees to hit in front of Judge. It will though cost more than Trevino.
websoulsurfer
As usual FanDan, you show zero understanding of baseball.
Arraez was a 4.9, 4.2, and 3.4 WAR player the 3 seasons before 2024 and a 12.5 WAR player over those 3 seasons. He is 27 years old. Having a 1 WAR in a season where he got hurt in May and played the rest of the season with a torn tendon in his thumb does not negate the value he can bring to a team.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think he will be a 1 WAR player going forward.
Blue Baron
rmullig2: You sound like a delusional Yankees fan. A fairer trade would be Arraez for Wells.
rmullig2
Your’re delusional if you think Arraez is worth his contract. They either eat money or take another overpaid guy back in a deal.
Blue Baron
And you’re even more delusional if you think Trevino has enough trade value to land Arraez, who really isn’t overpaid at $15 million.
websoulsurfer
rmu, Arraez’s 3.4 WAR average the last 3 seasons is worth $30 million per season. If you think any team bases a player’s value on one season, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Fernando P
@Blue Baron – Not defending Trevino for Arraez, but Yankees need guys that can play defense for 1b or 2b. Arraez can’t play 2b or 1b.
Don’t think they move Trevino now that they traded Narvaez…but could be wrong. If I move him to Padres, I would want a reliever for him like Morejon or Estrada.
websoulsurfer
Fernando,
Arraez has played more 2B than any other position.
Here are his defensive stats at that position.
-1 DRS for his career at 2B
4 DRS for the last 3 seasons at 2B
baseball-reference.com/players/a/arraelu01.shtml#p…
Arraez alone is too much to give up for a backup catcher.
websoulsurfer
Blue, that would be a fairer trade. I doubt the Yankees would do that because their options for a replacement in-house are not great, but its a much fairer trade.
Johnnie Cochran
Chris Landers from Fansided just claimed that Juan Soto and Manny Machado didn’t get along when he was in San Diego.
Simm
Soto said something about it being more difficult around manny than judge.
websoulsurfer
Soto said that once he was a FA not a single Yankee reached out to him. On the flip side he was seen this offseason eating dinner at Peohe’s in Coronado with Manny and his wife Yaniee.
LFGSD619
@websoulsurfer No he wasn’t.
websoulsurfer
Other than Robert Murray, is there any reason to read Fansided?
Simm
That would be a NO
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Fansided is basically just speculation & gossip. For people who follow sports like they follow their soap operas.
RickEO
Redsox were to cheap to sign boegarts
xpensivewinos
You spelled “smart” wrong…..
vtadave
and “too”
deweybelongsinthehall
A clear overpay by the Padres who bid against themselves.
Consigliore
Padres will be the Pirates of the West. Professional investors running the club won’t enter into any new contracts for > $5M annually. But there will be more bobblehead givaways.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
I rather enjoy bobblehead night and have a growing collection of some of my favorite padres the last 5 years. My favorite is the Joe Musgrove no hitter bobble head.
websoulsurfer
Ok Ryan. Didn’t take long to find your new account name.
JoeBrady
they have received inquires on Cease, Arráez and Xander Bogaerts as well.
========================
Sure, Cease is very good, and Arraez is useful for teams needing OBP.
But no one is inquiring about Bogaerts. At least not without a minimum of $100M check coming their way. And I doubt Preller does that.
Jbigz12
I said $60MM above but that was without looking at the deal.
Adames just got 7/162MM Bogey has 9/228 left. I think you’re closer to the actual amount of cash that needs to be eaten.
They won’t do that even though it might end up being a shrewd move. A lot of money for a guy who doesn’t belong at SS anymore and the batting metrics read more slightly above average than good/great.
deweybelongsinthehall
Jbigz, it also depends on the park. Back in Boston, I think he’ll hit again for the next three years then become average to worse
vtadave
Bogaerts’ OPS has declined in each of the last 5 seasons and he’s coming off a .264/.307/.381 season in which he missed 51 games. Let’s say he’s a free agent entering his age-32 season. What sort of contract does he get? Surely a multi-year deal given his past performance, but guessing he’d be limited to something like 4/70 with incentives, and that may be generous.
JoeBrady
That how I figure surplus/deficits. Or working backwards, there is some likelihood that his age 37-40 will barely be replacement level, so that a write-off of $102M.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed Joe. See what I wrote. Perhaps a team with present financial space would consider him if the Padres paid the full last three or four years. I’d consider a return to Boston if they did that. The return though would be Mookie’s old jock strap.
Brew88
The SDUT reported this morning that 5 teams contacted AJ about Bogaerts
deweybelongsinthehall
contacting us one thing…
websoulsurfer
“But no one is inquiring about Bogaerts.”
Obviously that is not true.
websoulsurfer
I am sure that teams inquired about Bogaerts. Teams are smart enough to understand that one injury filled season does not mean a player is washed up. His 4.4 WAR in 2023 provided $15-16 million in surplus value for the Padres. Even with last season where he played the fewest games in any full season of his career, the Padres are not behind the 8 ball on his contract after 2 seasons.
If all he ever does is repeat 2023 and never returns to the 5.9-6.3 WAR he had in the 3 full seasons immediately preceding that season, that level of performance would be enough for teams to want to take a look.
Salzilla
On my wish list…
rennick
I can’t say I follow the Padres too strongly, but I’ve seen them connected to Roki
Sasaki by the media and fans quite a bit. I wonder if this talk about payroll and trades of veteran players has an impact on his interest in signing with them.
vtadave
Hard to see it NOT having an impact.
This one belongs to the Reds
A cliche about not counting chickens is appropriate.
Seamaholic
Arraez is a case study in how athletes with one glorious skill (but nothing else) seem to hold outsized, overvalued places in fans’ imaginations. But that’s why teams use statistics, to keep from falling for the same bias.
Arraez was a one win player last year, making $14m for one more year of control. It’s unlikely the Padres can get off that full salary even for literally nothing. They may have to add a prospect or money to get him off the books, unless someone believes in a rebound from him. But he’s really not very good. He’s a slightly above average hitter overall that comes in an unusual form (all hit tool) with everything else very negative.
Begamin
I mean he did post back to back seasons of 4+ WAR and the one before that was 3+. Thats not just in the fans’ imagination, though I understand the overall point youre making of the guy
deweybelongsinthehall
Put him in front of Judge and how many runs does he score? Three straight batting titles can’t be ignored.
Begamin
Trust me I agree. I dont follow the idea that BA is useless in comparison to OBP as hits move runners over or scores runners more often than a walk does. He also managed to snag 200 hits with a torn ligament in his thumb
Simm
He played with a torn ligament in his thumb. Just had surgery on it about a month ago.
He will likely be much better next season and the padres will keep him unless the right deal appears. They aren’t forced to move all these dudes.
websoulsurfer
As I have said before, Arraez was a 4.9, 4.2, and 3.4 WAR player the 3 seasons before 2024 and a 12.5 WAR player over those 3 seasons. He is 27 years old. Having a 1 WAR in a season where he got hurt in May and played the rest of the season with a torn tendon in his thumb does not negate the value he can bring to a team.
It takes a special kind of stupid to think he will be a 1 WAR player going forward.
websoulsurfer
A former utility player for the Padres told me at lunch in LA today that the difference between Arraez OPS in 2022-2023 and 2024 was 6 HR.
2024 is .324/.355/.445/.800 with those additional HR. Considering Arraez had 60 more AB in 2024 he may have had more than 10 HR and more singles and doubles as well.
Having a torn tendon in his thumb robbed him of power and those HR turned into outs.
longines64
I guess the Red Sox knew what they had / what they were doing with Boegarts.
deweybelongsinthehall
What did they do? They made him an initial offer and probably would have increased it when SD made a ridiculous offer. At the time, he was probably worth $24m x8.
JoeBrady
About right. I had him at $25M * 7, and that was only because I liked him as a RS fan.
BEISBALL
ARRAEZ TO THE PHILLIES SO HE CAN TEACH THE TEAM TO HIT.
vtadave
You mean the team that finished 3rd in the NL in runs and OPS?
Blue Baron
BEISBALL: Why are you SHOUTING?
Sean P
If the guy would learn to take a walk every now and then he would be worth double his current salary and every team in the league would want him.
websoulsurfer
No. They. Havent.
Preller.
Kutsenda
Shildt.
All said Arraez would not be traded. All three. Guess who makes that call? Not Acee, that is for sure.
Preller JUST freaking said that people called about him. The Padres are not trying to trade him nor are they discussing it.
websoulsurfer
Receiving inquires doesn’t mean they are trying to trade them.
Simm
The are others saying Arraez is being discussed.
Anything can happen, just like Soto last year.
The issue is it doesn’t matter who they trade they will create another hole.
I’d prob start with trading Suarez. He makes about 10m. He can opt out after the season. Should be able to get a good something decent for him. Plus the padres pen has lot of arms.
Suarez and Wandy to the Yankees..
Blue Baron
Simm: Why do you want everyone traded to the Yankees?
Simm
Who else have I said is going there? I said the Yankees because they need pen arms and spend money. There are a number of teams but I added Wandy who the Yankees wanted to keep so I figured I’d list them.
Blue Baron
But it would be smarter to seek offers from several teams and take the best one.
Simm
No joke, was just throwing out a team with a need.
websoulsurfer
The Cubs have a huge need for bullpen help.
websoulsurfer
Simm, there are others repeating that Acee said that. None of them have said they have been told that.
Suarez is not getting traded. Let him opt out. Another season like 2024 and he will have far exceeded what he has been paid.
Simm
Web you don’t seem to think they are trading anyone.
My guess is one or more of the group being mentioned will be dealt.
websoulsurfer
Never said that. As every Padres fan knows and I have said several times, Preller will trade his best prospects or best player to get players that will make the team better.
Preller and Shildt have both said that Arraez will be a Padre in 2025. That he won’t be traded. Now that could change if some team blows them away, but much like the ask he had for Cease, Arraez will not come cheap.
Simm
Web- fair enough, do you think either Cease or Arraez get moved?
I think Cease will be moved. Arraez I feel like doesn’t get moved.
Brew88
Of course AJP is always entertaining all possible trades, and few players are off limits unless they have a no trade clause. Arraez and Cease AAV in 2025 are bargains ( especially Cease), so I doubt either is traded just to save $. I doubt we see AJP do much of anything until after Roki signs. If they get Sasaki then parting with Cease to improve the team in another way seems plausible. And everything depends upon FO payroll target, under which AJ will operate.
websoulsurfer
I think that Preller has been approached about many players including Cease, Arraez, Bogaerts, and Cronenworth like pretty much every single offseason.
I think from reports from reporters that he has set an extremely high price for Cease, (a 3+ WAR LF with 5 years of team control, the #7 overall prospect in baseball who is a MLB ready SS, a starting pitcher with MLB experience, and an MLB ready starting pitcher) that if another team met that price, he would trade him. I would be happy if he got a return like that because it would make the team better now.
jwinker
Gross. Imagine having Manny Machado on your team.
websoulsurfer
Gross. Imagine being jwinker.
RO-MACEN
AJ’s card maxed again.
Goose
If I were the Red Sox I would offer one of their young pitchers, Paxton, Bello or Houck, Abreu OF, Hamilton SS and see what prospect or other piece to get Cease. It would give the Padres young controllable starting pitcher, outfielder and shortstop which they could use now and long term.
It all depends on whether the Red Sox can sign Cease or are willing to spend on he and Crochet long term.
deweybelongsinthehall
Paxton? Regardless, that’s an overpay for one year of Cease. After the deal they just made, they are likely looking at a free agent or a pitcher with years of control.
Simm
Padres prefer Xander at second base. They never turn down a shortstop though they have a future one in DeVries
websoulsurfer
Which would explain why they asked for what they did from the Red Sox for Cease.
websoulsurfer
According to Morosi, the Padres reportedly asked the Red Sox for Abreu, Mayer, Fitts, and Gonzalez for Cease.
Johnnie Cochran
Anything Jon Paul Morosi says will happen, it’s almost guaranteed the opposite will happen.
websoulsurfer
Morosi is not Nightengale. He is one of the few whose rumors you can count on having some basis in fact.
CrikesAlready
Peter Siedler and AJ Preller left the Padres in an unenviable hole. The cows are coming home to roost.
Blue Baron
Crikes: *SEIDLER. And cows don’t roost, chickens do. Learn your metaphors.
Brew88
If cows could fly we’d all be pie
onthebucks
Arraez would be a perfect fit for the Phillies. If Turner was willing to move to LF, Stott could move to SS and Arraez could play 2B. Alternatively, if the Phils were willing to trade Schwarber, Arraez would be a big upgrade at DH, or Harper could become the DH and Arraez could play 1B.
DroppedThirdStrike
Arraez is not an upgrade over Schwarber
websoulsurfer
Last 3 seasons
Arraez – 10.1 WAR
Schwarber – 6.4 WAR
YanksPhan42
Cashman, offer up Rice and Warren for Arraez. Pads dump that salary, get a young, cheap 1B with upside and an upside pitcher for the rotation as well. Yanks get a singles hitter in front of Judge which should equate to crooked numbers
Blue Baron
YanksPhan42: Rice is nothing but another overhyped Yankees “prospect.” He’s not that great.
Tiger22matt
Upside? Where? Let’s dump our trash for a real player. Lmao
YanksPhan42
Yeah, you’re right. All of those years crushing in the minors mean nothing if you don’t instantly turn into ARod the second you’re thrust into a pennant race in your first taste of the show.
Tiger22matt
There’s zero value in that for SD. They would be giving up a batting champ basically for a long shot lottery ticket. There’s a whole 1 top 100 prospect in the Yankees system and I agree Arraez isn’t worth Dominguez but he is worth a bottom of the 100 list player which the Yankees don’t possess.
YanksPhan42
I hate WAR….I think it’s a joke stat. But for those who use it, Arraez was a 1 WAR player this year and will have a 14 mil contract. Great contact bat, no speed, terrible D, no power.
I like him and would love to have him because I’m old school….but he’s not nearly valued as highly around the league or he wouldn’t be bounce from team to team every year.
Edub23
Cease, Arraez for Sproat, Butto and Acuna.
Mets aren’t winning Jack without some front line starting pitching and someone who can get on base for Lindor and Soto.
Simm
Arraez, LIndor, Soto does sound pretty good but
So does
Arraez, tatis, Merrill, manny.
websoulsurfer
Not close to enough. Come back with a serious offer.
wallabeechamp
Don’t be a dolt. Both those guys are a year from free agency. If the Mets offered that, AJ would throw in the Friar just to get it done quick.
Ma4170
Mets wont trade sproat
websoulsurfer
If they could get both Cease and Arraez, Sproat would be out the door pretty fast.
They can’t, so calm down.
Ma4170
They still wouldnt trade Sproat in a deal even for both since they’re only rentals and Sproat has some special stuff, not that it guarantees success but the upside is there.
websoulsurfer
The Yankees traded 4 MLB players and a highly rated prospect for 1 year of Soto, a rental.
Sproat is a prospect. Until he actually does it in the majors, that is all he is.
If the Padres were willing to trade both Cease and Arraez to the Mets Sproat would be out the door so fast it would make your head swim. After what was reported that Preller asked for Cease alone from I doubt either is traded unless some team completely blows them away, let alone moved in one trade. .
Ma4170
I think you’re wrong. I think he is literally untouchable for them.
Finz420
Bogaerts for Stanton
wallabeechamp
Espaici, Señor!
Fernando P
@Finz420 – That’s Cashman hanging up the phone. Why exactly does he want a longer more expensive contract?
websoulsurfer
That is pretty stupid and Cashman is far from stupid
Stanton is 35 in 2025, is guaranteed $96 million over the next 3 seasons ($20 million of which is paid by the Marlins), and has a 0.6 WAR and 105 OPS+ over the last 3 seasons. Over the last 6 season he has averaged 0.8 WAR and only has one season where he was even MLB average.
Bogaerts topped that 3-season total for Stanton in 2024 alone and has 11.5 WAR in the last 3 seasons.
Simm
With the massive contracts they have. The padres will be building around those guys year to year.
Rsox
I would be amazed beyond belief if they could get anyone to take Bogaerts without having to pay at least half of his remaining contract
Simm
Hard to see them trading Xander. He is coming off a down year and they need a shortstop next year.
spirit of truth
They’d never do it but a high OBP guy like Arraez is exactly what the Orioles need.
Simm
If the padres trade Cease I think the O’s are the most likely.
websoulsurfer
Rogers, Mayo, McDermott and a lottery ticket prospect.
Make it happen.
Simm
I’m a no on Roger’s. Might as well run Brito out there.
websoulsurfer
Rogers is young and cheap and a lefty which is why I threw him in that proposal. Padres will want a major league SP back and it’s doubtful they get one of their top 4. Suarez is 35 years old and was in NPB and KBO for a very long time, so he is a no. Well, with Preller maybe not.
What SP alternative would there be if they are trading Cease to Baltimore? Bradish and a prospect like Young? Bradish is out after having TJ in June last season so not going to pitch much if at all in 2025, but he is a good one if healthy.
Simm
I don’t really have targets in mind. Just more of a need from the team that any offer the most. They have a few holes to fill and could flip some players in the deal to acquire pitching elsewhere.
Jaa1968
Nobody is checking on Bogaerts but Scott Boros
websoulsurfer
Except the 5 teams that already have.
Jaa1968
According to who? He can’t hit, Can’t stay healthy, Padres deserve to be stuck with him
websoulsurfer
The San Diego Union Tribune and not Acee so its reliable.
Bogaerts had a 4.4 WAR 2023. That is All Star level play. They moved him to 2B, he got hurt and had a bad 2024. If you expect him to be the 2024 player all the rest of his career instead of the player he was from 2021-2024 I have beachfront property in Arizona I would like to sell you.
Jeremy320
Absolute dumpster fire. Actions speak louder than words and this is year 2 of cutting spending and safe to assume much more is necessary. They also lost their small market status despite obviously being a small market team. All their albatross contracts are long term (some 10+ years) and no full trade clauses.
Jeremy320
*full no trade
websoulsurfer
Padres haven’t cut spending this season. They dipped under the CBT for 1 year and climbed into revenue sharing payor status by increasing their revenue from bottom 5 to top 14 in 4 seasons. 4th in attendance. Take out the Seoul Series with capacity of 16,744 and that goes up to 3rd both in total and average. Those long term contracts lowered AAV allowing them to have more great players. None has proven to be an albatross yet.
websoulsurfer
BTW, NO actions yet this offseason.
Steve F
Why is the Padres owner turning into a tightwad when his team’s window of contention is right now? They were a great team in 2024, and downgrading one spot to upgrade another is pointless. Sell off now, or spend some money and try to win it all.
Simm
Their owner died. They have been cutting payroll since. Payroll right now is 41m more than last years.
wallabeechamp
It was pretty fun while it lasted.
Oh well. Guess it’s time to deplete for Pets(‘s kids’ futures)
Not a clever name
It was a good run Padres, well not really, I mean it’s not like you won 3 World Series in 5 years or even 1WS in 36 years plus one with an asterisks. But still it was better than your used to I Guess.
unglar
Arraez to the Yankees at first sounds great, add a lot of contact to the lineup, have him play first or second but with our rotation I want a tight defense that can handle the ground ball. Also want Stanton in the lineup and Arraez is a DH based on what I’ve seen from him with the ol’ eye test. I understand the appeal but would much rather have Cronenworth or Cease if we’re picking Padres. He could slot into the Phillies line up though right?
Stay away Cash. Go get Tucker.
Tiger22matt
With?
Russell Branyan
I think both Kim NG, and Preller are smart, so after both gave up real assets to get Arraez, I wondered if maybe batting average and/or miniscule K numbers were undervalued.
I will be interested to see what a package for Arraez looks like. To me, he’s about a 2 win player, but if he gets a decent trade package again, while being set to make 14 million, maybe the shape of a guys obp matters more than I thought.
baseballguru
Redsox will take Tatis Jr. Off your hands! That’s the RHBat they seek, what do you need Padres? How about Mayer and Abreu?
Simm
Tatis would require a massive haul. Mayer and abreu wouldn’t even scratch the surface.
baseballguru
Please you’re high lol
Bob1 4
Roman Anthony, Kristian Campbell and all of Tatis contract.
websoulsurfer
Start with 2 MLB players. Then add 2 of the Red Sox top 5 prospects. Then add at least one more MLB ready pitcher.
Just spit balling names here. Something like this is what it would take to get Padres to move Tatis.
Abreu, Narvaez, Mayer, Campbell, and Fitts
For Tatis Jr and a pitcher like Bergert
baseballguru
Padres…Want to trim payroll? Tatis Jr. For Marcelo Mayer, Wilyer Abreu, Richard Fitts, Masataka Yoshida and cash considerations from The Boston Redsox
Simm
Post it again and the answer would still be no.
Brew88
Soto confessed in 2023 that Tatis was the best all-around baseball player in the NL, and the Pads have him under contract for half of what Soto just got. So yes, a trade for Tatis would demand quite the haul.
Yanks4life22
Arraez plus a salary dump to the Mets
McNeil gets traded
Soto
Lindor
Arraez
Nimmo
Vientos
With either Alonso or Bregman rounding out the top 6……not too shabby. Lots of ways to beat an opposing team with different offensive personalities.
VegasMoved
Arraez and Cronenworth for Stroman and Trevino. Yankees fill two holes and get something of value for Stroman. Padres dump an albatross of a contract, get a new catcher, and add some pitching depth.
Simm
No thanks, cronenworth’s contract isn’t that bad.
Padres wouldn’t want stroman.
Brew88
Cronz contract is looking better by the year
Tiger22matt
So trash. Lmao this is the next Frazier package. Just add Rice and you have a big 3 to trade.
Rally Goose
Preller has said on multiple occasions that he does not view Jake Cronenworth’s contract as an albatross and will not treat it as such in a trade.
Jabronie23
If they truly can’t have payroll much over last year’s mark, then I can’t see how they can even hope to compete this year. Let’s (generously) assume payroll is around $190m, which is halfway between last year’s total and their current total. They’d have to trade Cease and Arraez to get $5m below that mark, leaving them enough room to sign one low-end free agent. Unless they manage to dump nearly all of Boegarts contract, it’s hard to make that budget work for a team with playoff aspirations.
Simm
They would get players back in those deals.
Think the goal is to trade, open up some money and fill some holes with those trades.
Let’s say they trade cease and Arraez. If they can get 4 useful players back to fill holes then they may do that. Plus free’s up about 29m.
Without really looking at the need. Seattle seems like a place Arraez would fit…at least ball park wise. Maybe there is a deal to be had for pitching with them. A package deal.
Brew88
I’m not sure the Pads have many holes Simm. LF and backup C seem to be the primary holes. But they might fill those with cheap low cost vets? They could use another SP if they don’t win out on the Roki sweepstakes.
Simm
LF, C, DH or another spot. 4&5 starter. 2-3 bench pieces.
All that while trying to get below where their current payroll is.
Brew88
Many dominos after Roki chooses. We’ll see where payroll goes. The rumors are out there I know. I guess my point was that they have a more complete roster going into winter this year than they had last year before trading Soto.
Simm
You think so?
Last year at this moment. Darvish, Musgrove (today’s better)
Tatis, manny, Soto, Xander, cron, Kim, campy (coming off a better season), Merrill
Pen is better now than last year
So it’s pretty close. Lineup was light years better last year. Soto and Kim vs Arraez. So I’d take last years spot. Plus the farm at this point has more prospects. The biggest difference is we don’t have a Soto to trade.
Brew’88
Last year we were heading into the season without a MLB-caliber CF, had no SPs other than Musgrove (who was recovering from injury) and Darvish (also recovering from injury). No DHs, our C position was similarly lacking depth, and we had an awful pen.
I think the pitching this year is light years in better shape than last year even with Musgrove out Cease, King, Yu, Vasquez and some other guy already on the roster isn’t bad compared to what they had projecting into 2024 at this time last year. The pen is stout, even with the loss of Scott – I’m really interested in seeing how Sean Reynolds fits in.
They only need to add another SP and the rotation is complete. If they get Roki then it’s elite. If they keep Cease and Arraez (and defy the rumors), then they can fill out the roster by either acquiring low cost LF, DH/1B, SP or elevating someone into those positions (Ornelas, Rosario, Morejon to SP, etc…). The back-up C position is a big need at this point, and I do think someone of somewhat prominence gets traded to balance out the team. I also think a few FAs (not splashy) will be added. The budget is still not certain, no one I know knows..
Simm
If they add Roki they will need to go to a 6 man rotation. As of now they would have Waldron and Vasquez as starters. Given how Waldron finished the year and the stat cast numbers of Vasquez those two should only be depth pieces.
Rotation is in a better spot and the pen as I said. The lineup is much worse especially when you consider they had Merrill last year. It’s not like they acquired him. Like we did last year being able to trade a player like Soto fixed several issues. This year they do not have that luxury. They either trade from a spot the need to keep or they add via free agency. If you told me they could spend 30m or so then I’d like where we are. If you are telling me that have to cut payroll from where they are then last years spot was much better. Especially when you add in the farm from last year to this year.
Brew88
Hey Simm, you’re really smart but I can’t buy that at this time last year you knew Merrill would take over CF, much less excel there. Really?
Simm
Of course not. My point is he was already in the org. The key is did Preller feel like he would.
Brew88
I wonder if Preller has similar gut feelings now about Tirso, or Salas even. Or a longshot like Neihbors or Bergert? There could be some surprises from within.
Simm
Could be, someone likely will need to step up.
websoulsurfer
Ornelas and Rosario are in the organization. Which them is going to be the breakout on the 2025 Padres?
Kreval
Call the Yankees about Arrraez. They need a 2b. Could give up stroman, Cortez, Schmidt.. maybe even ROY gil if the deal is right. They got catching depth in the minors. Spencer Jones possibly though feels like the padres would have to throw in more than one year of arraez to get him.
Arraez in NY ahead of judge for an entire year haha. He might score 300 runs lol
Tiger22matt
None of those players besides Gil have any value outside of Yankees fans minds.
JoeBrady
Schmidt has value. A former 1st rounder, just coming into his own, with three years left?
The Padres should tee up the Yankees like they did last year. Instead of King, they get Schmidt. Instead of Soto, they trade Cease. Instead of Thorpe, the Padres get a somewhat lesser prospect.
Tiger22matt
King will never be Soto value neither will Thorpe. The Padres gave away a top 5 player for a penny on the dollar. Don’t think the Yankees are getting a sweet deal like that again this year.