As the Padres face payroll constraints amid an offseason where starting pitching has been at a premium, the possibility of San Diego fielding interest on right-hander Dylan Cease emerged earlier today with Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune suggesting that the club is anywhere from actively “trying to unload” the right-hander to merely “open to offers” on him. This evening, The Athletic’s Dennis Lin characterized the situation slightly differently, reporting that the club is “at least exploring” Cease’s trade value but also cautioning that San Diego “prefers” to keep Cease in the fold and a trade is not considered likely at this time.
The Padres have plenty of needs this winter, including help in the outfield, starting rotation, and behind the plate. Dealing Cease from a 2025 rotation where he projects to feature prominently alongside Yu Darvish and Michael King would be a substantial hit to an already thin rotation mix, of course, even with with Matt Waldron, Randy Vasquez, Adrian Morejon, Bryan Hoeing, and Stephen Kolek as potential back-end options available internally. It’s for that reason Lin reports the club would seek “multiple controllable players,” including “one or more” starting pitchers. If San Diego were unable to secure enough rotation help from a Cease trade, Lin adds, then they would likely look to flip those players to land other rotation pieces.
Given the club’s rotation needs, it may raise some eyebrows that the club could consider trading Cease even if they don’t receive controllable pitching in return. The logic behind that possibility, per Lin, stems in part from the club’s pessimism regarding their ability to keep Cease in San Diego long-term. While Lin notes the club still “harbors some hope” that they may be able to extend King before he reaches free agency next winter, they believe they have no such chance of being able to afford Cease following the 2025 campaign, when MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects him to make $13.7MM in his final trip through arbitration.
If Cease were to be traded for young talent, that $13.7MM could be re-invested into the roster and potentially used to a player in free agency, whether that be a mid-level starter like Jose Quintana or Kyle Gibson or help in the outfield, perhaps even in the form of a reunion with Jurickson Profar. Much as that salary relief could be a huge boon to the Padres, it’s not an especially cumbersome figure overall. For that reason, Lin suggests that Cease could find a much wider range of suitors on the trade market this winter than Juan Soto did when San Diego shopped him last year, even as Cease isn’t nearly as impactful as the league’s newly-minted $765MM man.
At least one suitor for Cease’s services has already been named, as MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reported earlier today that the Red Sox are among the teams with interest in Dylan Cease. Boston has long been known to be targeting help at the top of their rotation, and after the club fell short in the pursuit of southpaw Max Fried today their interest in working out a deal to acquire Cease has surely only grown. The Red Sox currently seem focused on courting right-hander Corbin Burnes as they search for top-of-the-rotation help, but the possibility of the club looking to add two front-end starters this winter has been bandied about at times throughout the offseason so even landing a player of that caliber wouldn’t necessarily preclude a deal from taking place.
The Red Sox have a tantalizing cachet of top prospects in their system, though the likes of Roman Anthony and Kristian Campbell are generally considered to be untouchable in trade discussions. Catcher Kyle Teel, outfielder Wilyer Abreu, or perhaps even right-hander Garrett Whitlock would be perfect fits San Diego’s needs, though it’s unclear if the Red Sox would be willing to part ways with any of those players in a deal for a rental piece like Cease. While Abreu in particular has been floated frequently as a potential trade candidate this winter, those rumors have typically tended to frame Abreu as the headliner for a package that would land a controllable piece like White Sox lefty Garrett Crochet rather than for a rental arm like Cease.
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What a freaking joke?!
Seriously Padres?!
Penny pinching.
Why not?
The Padres are repositioning themselves to be the farm system for the rest of the league.
Full reverse, using Seidlers passing as an excuse to drastically cut payroll.
The fans pack Petco, swoop up season tickets and are rewarded by ownership drastically cutting payroll.
No loyalty in sports.
It’s Dec 11th.
The sky hasn’t fallen.
Cease is a Boras client…he isn’t signing an extension.
As with Soto…if they can save $ AND get better,you have to at least check the market
I heard last night that the Cubs are trying to trade Suzuki and prospects for Cease.
I have not heard that. If Padres got Suzuki and Sasaki to join Darvish, it would make the Dodgers versus Padres rivalry even more fun. And while I think the Cubs should keep Suzuki, they could keep Belli and add Cease, so long as Horton, Shaw and Caissie are not part of deal.
Seiya’s agent said Hoyer reached out to him to see which of the teams that has made offers would he accept trades to. That means it’s a done deal once he waives his NTC. Teams don’t come to the agent until they are ready to pull the trigger.
Heard Arenado is interested in Padres and play first base. I say sure. Cards throw in Nootbaar and $6M and take back Cronenworth and Arraez.
Hard pass.
Padres aren’t trying to get rid of either of those players, and they aren’t looking to be saddled with 3 years of Arenado debt.
I don’t even need to know Nootbar salary to know it’s more than the padres want to add to the books.
Nootbar and Arenado are nice players, but this just adds problems for SD.
This deal would need more like 60 million to offset, and at that point cardinals would have no interest.
Arenado salary for 25 after Rockies pay first $5M is $27M. Nootbaar is first year arbitration. They are saying $3M. Arraez and Cronenworth combined will be about $27M. Get $6M as well. Cronenworth has 6 years left. Arenado 3. Arraez gone next year. Nootbaar is a good defensive OF with years of control.
Your syntax suggests that the padres would be more burdened by having Cronenworth for 6 years than the visibly aging Arenado for 3.
This is simply not the case.
Cards are pleading for somebody to take Arenado, padres are content to keep Cronenworth.
Your trade moves the padres OF need to an infield need. It doesn’t solve a problem for anybody but the cardinals.
Arenado only makes sense as a 3b. His value is in his ability to play 3b well not his bat.
Unless you got Chapman at 3rd
Arenado still only adds value with his glove.
Red Sox? Orioles?
(619) 795-5000
Ask for Saint AJ, we’ll listen in from the other line.
Wilyer Abreu and Kutter Crawford for Cease. Padres get two players controllable for multiple years: Abreu until 2023, Crawford until 2029. Boston takes on the salary and deals with Boras client in 2026. Crawford is age 28, same as Cease, Abreu is 25.
Good general matchup, but gross overpay by the Red Sox. Either of those players alone may be too much for Cease – not because they are better (although both are established MLB starters) but because they will combine to cost 4mil this season and have a total of 9 years of control remaining.
Padres would have to add ALOT more. Last off-season Cease brought back the no.85 prospect, a reliever and a couple of B-tier prospects. Need to reduce the value of that package by about 40% to get his current value.
Afoss, did you see what their GM asked Breslow for in a trade for Cease? Abreu, Mayer, Fitts and another top 10 SP prospect that I’m guessing is Gonzalez since Morosi said MLB ready. That is just crazy for one year of Cease even though he was one of 5 best starters last season.
Read the article in the Athletic and then go listen to what Morosi said the Padres asked the Red Sox for to get Cease.
Way too much and now they have Crochet.
Highly unlikely
But I wonder if Anthony Mayer or Campbell would become available if
Red Sox get Cease, Suarez, Arraez
Padres get Casas, Yoshida, and 1 Anthony Mayer or Campbell for taking back Yoshidas 2025 and 2026 salary at 18 mill a piece.
Padres clear 14 mill in cease, 14 mill in arraez, 10 mill in Suarez for 2024 but take back 18 mill in Yoshida clearing 20 mill off the books but get back a 1B, replacement for Profar in the OF, and pick up a premium prospect in Anthony, Mayer, or Campbell
Red Sox fill a need at TOR, put Arraez at 2B, and pick up an elite closer all on 1 year deals
The Red Sox selling magic beans
If padres could get back a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, clear money off the books, fill a couple positional needs in one fail swoop I’d definitely consider that a win, however unlikely it may be
They may just trade cease for a quantity package instead of a quality package to restock the farm a bit. Much like they did with Soto last year.
They’re probably stuck with Arraez’s contract but could get some decent prospects back dealing Suarez as well in separate deal.
It’ll be interesting to see which routes they take. But Preller has shown he’s not afraid to be aggressive to get plays he wants both at the mlb level and prospect level.
The Soto trade netted them two TOR starters and a ML Catcher.
Hardly “quantity over quality”.
Problem is Boston is so far under the luxury that they don’t really need to save money. Losing their starting first baseman in Casas is also big. Prob look to move Abreu first.
No the Soto trade netted the padres 1 TOR arm in King who had limited experience as a starter and came with 2 years of control.
It also netted them Brito, Vasquez, Thorpe, and 1 year of Higashioka.
Thats a quantity package. The padres specifically took the Yankees offer for pitching depth for that reason cause their own pitching depth had been depleted via trades.
Shipping Drew Thorpe off in a separate deal to land cease along with Zavala Iriarte and Wilson doesn’t mean Soto landed the padres two TOR arms considering the padres traded 3 of their own players compared to 1 they netted from the Yankees. They could have pulled off the cease trade without including Thorpe by sending someone else.
Cease would fit the Red Sox needs, but at a lower price than what the Padres gave up to get him as he only has 1 year of control remaining.
Arraez is an awful fit as he’s left-handed, can’t field and has only 1 year of control remaining. Red Sox could simply start Campbell, one of the best prospects in baseball, at 2b instead. Zero interest.
Suarez is nice, and you can never have too many relievers who throw hard, but the Red Sox bullpen is already looking good, so this would be an opportunity pickup only. For a 33yo worth 1.6 fWAR over the past 3 years, not a huge asset.
If you’re talking any of the Red Sox top-3 (or Casas) you better be talking about a trade for Merrill – only way it would happen.
More realistically, the Red Sox would be open to trading Wilyer Abreu (5 years of control) or Kutter Crawford (4 years of control), but Cease probably isn’t enough to get one of those guys on his own. So Cease+Suarez+solid prospect for Abreu+Crawford looks to be the fit.
So you’re keeping Yoshida and his 3 years and 54 mill owed to him instead of clearing 18 mill in 2025 and 2026. Interesting
Abreu and Crawford would be a good start. Add 1 mid system guy like Mikey Romero and 1 lower system guy like Hunter Dobbins just to offset Padres losing out on the QO they’d net for Cease and Suarez at end of the year.
That’s crazy talk for one year if Cease. Abreu and Crawford is too much for one year of Cease. If that is the going price then pass on Cease. I certainly wouldn’t trade any of the big four for one year of Cease.
Not a start – Abreu+Crawford are too much. You’re undervaluing the years of control.
Yoshida’s contract is a bit under water, but he’s a good hitter and the Red Sox have more payroll room than any team in MLB. They aren’t looking to shed payroll just open roster spots for superior players if available.
The padres aren’t making that deal. Cease at 13m and Suarez at 10m are both bargains in this market. Plus Cease will be QO eligible and if Suarez opts out he will be as well.
So if a team trades for Cease they will get him for a full year and a pick if not resigned. For peanuts salary wise in this market. Perhaps the same for Suarez if moved.
War is a useless stat for relievers. You trying to cherry pick a number to reduce his value isn’t actually going to reduce his value.
The padres would not have interest in Yoshi. They would be wanting young controllable inexpensive players.
1. Taking back Yoshida means padres get extra value in prospects. Whether that’s additional players or better quality prospects that’s up for the padres to decide. But for a system that’s traded as many prospects away as the padres have they sure could use an influx of trade chips for Preller.
2. Abreu, Crawford, years of control, Romero, Dobbins, and whatever money Padres buy by trading Cease and Suarez will have a greater impact long term than just 2024 and more value than just QO picks. Trading Soto allowed Preller to bring in cease last year plus Arraez and his deadline additions. Wouldn’t have happened had padres not traded Soto.
3. Yeah. Sucks to be in a situation where padres are projected to be over the cbt threshold and have to clear salary or get penalized. Your bargaining power becomes less powerful when you must clear salary. Other teams see the position padres are in and don’t have to help them.
Nobody is taking arraez at full contract.
Nobody is taking cronenworth at full contract
Your best trade chips are Cease, Suarez, and King. Knowing the padres have to clear cap room much like they did the Soto deal offers aren’t gonna be near what padres fans are expecting.
The padres if over are barely over. The penalty is nearly nothing. If they trade cease, it’s to shed his money and plug a hole or two. Then being able to use the money saved to fill another hole or two.
Not take back on a big contract that’s underwater. Can just trade cease to the O’s or a ton of other teams.
Didn’t realize Suarez had the opt-out – in that case, no way Red Sox make the deal without more coming back. The most popular stat in baseball is hardly a cherry-pick, how about his below-aveage 8.17 k/9 or slightly above average 3.81 xFIP? He’s a decent player but definitely not one who receives a qualifying offer at the age of 34. Red Sox don’t need another reliever, but if you were to throw one in to balance the trade, I’d much rather have Morejon, Estrada or Adam.
You’re writing as if being on the last year of a contract makes a player more of an asset while the exact opposite is the truth. Cease will net a comp pick which would be after the 4th rd unless the Padres get under the CBT – it’s not the huge boon you’re making it out to be.
Last year the no.85 prospect in baseball headlined a package for 2 years of Cease. This year the price for Cease will drop substantially. This is no different than it was with Soto where the Padres gave up the number 9 & 88th prospects and a year later traded him for King and the 99th prospect (obviously more players were involved, but the point is they got about half the return they gave up). Based on history, Padres are unlikely to get a top-100 prospect in return for Cease – certainly not one of the Red Sox top-guys (3rd, 7th, 10th, 25th and 54th per pipeline). Red Sox do have the 95th ranked prospect as well, but he’s not MLB-ready, so I doubt it’s a match.
Abreu and Crawford are the exact types of players the Padres should be after (young controllable inexpensive – as you put it). Maybe the Red Sox get desperate and offer Abreu straight-up for Cease, but if they did, that would be a steal for the Padres. (It’s rumored Abreu is the main piece for Red Sox in Crochet discussions).
Harrison, your posts never make any sense and are most often based on fallacies. What kind of drug or alcohol induced states create your comments. Inquiring minds want to know.
Padres asked for Abreu, Mayer, Fitts and another top 10 pitching prospect in Sox farm. While that is ridiculous, your proposal is worse.
Joel Wolfe and Roki Sasaki, are you paying attention?
Right now Wolfe is more concerned with where Seiya will play next season since Hoyer called him to find out which of of the teams that had made offers for him would Seiya waive his NTC to go play for.
This doesn’t make much sense to me. One of the best SD players even with a short nlds start in most recent memory. Makes more sense if SD already knows they have Sasaki AND they’re sending away a bad contract like Cromenworth along with Cease.
Hmmmmm……That’s not a bad deal.
I think they look at cease somewhat like Soto last year. He is in his final season, not going to resign him so explore a trade. Doesn’t free up as much money as Soto nor will it demand as much back.
At the same time Ceases lower salary does attract more bidders than soto’s salary. If a team did acquire Cease they also could get back a QO pick next year. That would have a lot of value to a team like the O’s.
He’s not signing an extension and will be a free agent after this year.If you can add 2-3 young pieces it does make sense.Same as trading Soto did.
I don’t get why people think Cronenworth is a bad contract. He made $7 million last season and had a 1.9 WAR. His AAV is only $11 million. Utility players get that type of money in FA.
Conforto signed for $17 million after not having one season that good since 2019 and being a walking injury.
O’Neill got 3/50 after being injured every year he has played, having a lower WAR the last 3 seasons, and only having a marginally higher WAR in 2024.
Do you seriously think that just because it’s long, it’s bad? Send him to the Red Sox. That’s a decent contact for a hard as nails type player with some pop that plays the keystone well.
Wait? You are a Red Sox fan? I thought from the avatar photo of a Yucca(?) that you were in the desert somewhere.
Looks more like Dasylirion to me. Perhaps D. wheeleri
We have a winter home in Scottsdale. That photo is there. I live in Wellesley most of the year.
Good eye Brew. It’s a Desert Spoon, dasylirion wheeleri. A member of the lily family. That flower stalk is taller than the house. 14-15 feet high.
Wellesley Mass? That would explain being a Red Sox fan. Welcome to the board.
Brew is usually on the money so no surprise he knew what kind of plant that is in your photo. Beautiful shot.
Y’all want Trent Grisham back?
#&€K no!
What Gwynning said but louder.
It’s the Those Who Briefly Had Soto Club
Yanks need him to play center. Judge ain’t going to do it anymore.
Sure thing. Send Hampton and another prospect along with him and I am sure the Padres would be willing to eat his salary.
AJ Preller gets a lot of crap, but he is pretty clever. He’s not trading Cease unless he knows something we don’t.
I think I know that you know that I know that you know you’re talking about…….;)
Cashman, give them one of Jasson or Spencer, throw in another lesser prospect, and two of our back end pitchers (Nestor, Stro, Clarke) and get Cease, Arraez, and Suarez with their full contracts. Thanks, bud!
Martian, Gil and toss in a catcher and we might have some smoke…
Probably wouldn’t do Gil AND Martian, but catcher is doable though. We got some good ones on the system. But again, we’d take on the full contracts so that should get y’all to take back one or two of the other pitchers. Besides y’all gonna need major league pitching!
Love ya Sal, but cut the sugar. You should know I drink my coffee black. Gil & Martian are where we start for Cease, Arraez & Suarez- all 3 potential All-Stars in ’25. All 3 can be penciled in everyday (well, every fifth day in Cease’s case) and perform at the top-shelf. 3 straight batting titles, TOR arm and Lights Out closer do have substantial costs attached, but the starting point is firm.
I had just finished a bowl of midnight cereal! But hey, I’m just going by reports that SD wants to offload some payroll. That in of itself is of massive value for flexibility. And 4 or 5 for the three is pretty good! Heck including Martian is better than anything we gave up for Soto imo!
From what your GM asked the Red Sox for Cease, I’m thinking he might want Martian, Gilbert, and a catcher for Cease alone.
Gilbert?
I took it as an autocorrected Gil
Dylan Cease for Seiya Suzuki +
Would love Suzuki, but not straight up.
I surmise that’s what Ryan meant with the +
If the Cubbies pay off Suzuki & attach Ben Brown, I think I’d do it.
Aloha Gwynning! I’m so frustrated with Jed, the FO and ownership! I’ve shared before as a person of Japanese heritage, lived in Japan was part of ball through college, for my relatives, relationships are very important. Unlike in the states or on the east coast, for example you get 5min to “pitch” your idea. Doesn’t work like that with Japanese. Many friends and family of mine couldn’t understand the Cubs ownership and management trading Yu-san away after a difficult season due to the corona virus and he was the runner up in the CYA. In fact many “Nihonjin-Japanese” thought it was very low of the Cubs to give away Yu-san for 4 unproven teenagers and had to give up our back up catcher and take Davies back. I’m not saying this is right, just the perception.
Who was it that was so gracious in the whole matter… Yu-san. And it was Darvish that went to bat for the Cubs in regard to Seiya-san. I don’t know what has happened to Suzuki since Ross was fired but he was a good defender in Japan and did well/better in the second half of 2023 in both offense and defense after Ross sat him a bit. Having said that, I’m not saying anyone is entitled to their position but after the Yu-san trade, being blessed to get Seiya which helped to get Imanaga-san, if Jed trades Seiya-san away, imho, it will tarnish the Cubs reputation with Japanese. It’s hard to explain to westerners about how Japanese think or view things but it exists, it’s not always the right way but it’s in the culture. I’ve been following Sasaki-san for years before most folks here even knew who he was, Roki. As you may know Yu-san is a friend and mentor to Roki. If our Cubs had any chance at getting him, that will go away if Seiya is traded. Not to mention Sasaki and Suzuki have the same agent. Sorry for the ramblings. I may be become a full time Padres fan ! As much as I used to give Preller grief for some of his moves, at least he had the guts to make bold trades trying to better the organization. Some worked out, others didn’t but you don’t know if you don’t engage. I wish your Padres the best this off season as my Cubs seem to be in flux as usual. Mahalo and Melekalikimaka!
Yu is such a class act, and I really do hope he has “swayed” Roki to San Diego! Catching Roki in Padre gear has to mean something… or maybe he just loves Yu! Fingers crossed he wears the Brown and Gold on the field! I sincerely doubt that Cease will be moved, but maybe we can get Suzuki some other way?! Anyhow kg, all the best to you my braddha! Mele Kalikimaka, hana ho and a hui ho! Shakas and blessings brah, there’s always room for another fan here.
Aloha Gwynning, Arigatou Gozaimasu! Yes, Yu-san is tremendous and been a great ambassador not only for the game here but back in Japan. And helping other NPB players to come state side. For many years, I’ve written Jed and the FO about Roki, Japanese players, culture etc. I think I’m stopping, lol! I joked with a Cub fan, if they trade away Seiya-san, might as well Imanaga-san too. Then the Cubs can begin the season in Tokyo with no Japanese players. I know that may sound extreme but again, perception. So if Chicago can’t get Roki-san, I’d be very happy if he goes to your Padres and with Yu-san! Then where I’m currently at in the SF Bay Area, I’ll go to as many Giants Padres games as possible! Again Mele Kalikimaka and Hau’oli Makahiki Hou (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year)! Mahalo!
Roki is the “Darvish will help lure other Japanese players to San Diego” narrative’s last chance.
They’re good friends, Harambe. Read into it what you will.
Torkelson and Baez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not even the Rockies shop at that low of a shelf…
(1,000 puke emojis)
As we saw today. $13.7 million is not worth anything on the FA market. WTF is Lin and Deeds talking about?
Just creating smoke when AJ continually shuts them out. Gotta make the news these days, even when there isn’t any!
Your GM talked to the media yesterday. He said pretty much that teams have called and I told them give me so much that it will cripple your team and I will consider it. Did you see what he asked the Red Sox for? Dang!
A couple bad postseason starts and now Padres fans wanna get rid of a guy who put up a 4+ WAR season and threw a no-hitter for them?
No, I don’t think they want to “get rid of him.”
Not like that.
He’s a free agent after this season and a Boras client…he isn’t signing an extension.
How did the Soto trade no one wanted work out?
Same situation here but on a smaller scale.
If they sign Sasaki I expect Cease to be traded.
@mrpadre19 But he was always going to be a free agent after this season and he was always a Boras client! If that’s such a problem why trade for him at all?
“How did the Soto trade no one wanted work out?”
Pretty poorly…
The Padres’ offense didn’t score a single run in the last 24 innings of the NLDS. You think Soto couldn’t have helped that?
Lol, it’s not just about the postseason starts. He is a walk free agent, could get a haul back, and would save money. Pads traded a certain guy named Soto last year, it turned out ok…….
@VermonsterSD Just what I said to mrpadre. Cease would not bring a “haul” back as a one-year rental, Preller doesn’t care about him being a walk free agent or else he wouldn’t have traded for him at all and the Soto trade ended up backfiring in the NLDS.
Knowing AJ, he’s just fielding offers on a “possibility” in the background. Moving Cease portends a looming thought- this is either very good news for Roki and the Pads, or the opposite. I suspect AJ knows which direction Roki is going…
“Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope. – Hawkeye”
– Steve Finley Enthusiast
I imagine most Roki sweepstakes teams won’t want to ‘sell’ any big name assets until he signs to keep looking desirable.. unless Roki is in the loop on the deal before hand.
Bingo Cubbs. Very safe to say that AJ knows more than us, and I trust in AJ 99.99999%!
Maybe but AJ usually makes a move to make another move. For example let’s say he trades Cease then turns around and trades for Crochet.
Saved 11m, refilled the pitching hole and likely another hole or two.
You can have Yaz, Wade and Whisenhunt
You’d have to add Bryce Eldridge to that weak-ish offer!
We’ll throw in Wisely Sabol and Matos
Yaz Wade and Whiz aren’t going anywhere
I appreciate MLBTR… If Sporting News or Sports Illustrated covered this, the headline would read something like: “Cease to be Traded by Padres.”
Remember when Cease was coveted? And now he’s an after thought of a spare part that they’re gonna struggle to find serious takers for.
There will be no shortage of takers if they decide to move cease.
The Red Sox won’t be one of them if the asking price Morosi talked about is real. No way are the Sox giving up Abreu, Mayer, Fitts, and another starting pitching prospect for him.
It appears the Padres are reducing payroll
Didn’t sound like that yesterday when their GM talked. Always interesting see what writers say after the GM says something different.
Acee and the Athletic are always saying garbage like that and like last season they are always wrong.
If the Pads want to slim the payroll (definitely think that’s on the table—this ain’t Peter Seidler anymore) then Arraez should be the one to go.
I’d be surprised if Cease goes anywhere. But they’ll need to be real creative to plug the rest of the holes on this roster on a shoestring budget.
Both could go. Get a good 1B/OF prospect like a Casas or Kjersted from Baltimore plus a good arm or 2.
Red Sox fan here:
Casas plays 1b only and isn’t a prospect, he’s a middle-of-the-order hitter with 4 years of control. Far too good/valuable a piece for 1 year of Cease – it’s a non-starter.
I think Abreu is the guy from Boston you should be targeting, but as I mentioned to another poster, his 5-years of control is likely too much for 1 year of Cease.
What would the O’s do with Arraez? Have to move O’Hearn for him to make any sense. Too many lefties although a contact hitter would be nice:
ATL, Bring him back to the A and extend him for 5 yrs.
lol They just got him.
Payroll tightening again, apparently.
Make sense if you think about it. There is considerable payroll tied up with a few players. The Dodgers are in the same division. To really compete they need good, young, cheap players and lot of them.
Fans think short term, good ownership thinks long term.
Think about how ridiculous this article is. With respect to the Red Sox being in on Cease, why would they be?
Yes they bid low for Fried and need to pretend they have other avenues to pursue but they don’t. Cease for one year in Boston? That’s going to end like Soto for the Yankees. Someone gives up prospects and then Cease says I’m going to the highest bidder in 2026. That won’t be Boston.
If they make any trade involving Cease they must lock him in for future years beyond 2025 or the prospects will be wasted.
So will this happen? NOPE. But I bet they almost get him.
To be fair the Yankees did make the world series
A Cease trade would change the Crochet trade market…
It’d also set expectations a little more clearly. In terms of fWAR, K/9, BB/9, and FIP, Crochet just had a better year than Cease’s 2022 CYA runner-up campaign. He’s quite arguably the better pitcher, which is offset by his being undeniably less durable. But he will make less over the next two years than Cease will this year. So basically, whatever Cease nets in return, unless it’s some package deal, double that for Crochet to account for the extra year.
Less than double because of longer track record and durability. Cease isn’t making much in this market. Crochet will make about 3m this year then prob like 9 next.
Crochet will command more than cease for sure but not double.
I think you’re discounting the difference in their ceilings. Cease’s best year is worse than Crochet’s first year as a starter. Crochet is also younger and wants to sign an extension with his new team.
Crochet’s fWAR/IP this year was a 34% higher than Cease during 2022. That’s a pretty substantial number. He was also coming back from injury and getting used to a starter’s schedule and workload. I think he’s better by enough to offset the track record.
They basically had the same f and b war last year.
Crochet will not get twice the return. Though it will take several years to judge it.
Cease has been extremely durable. Something crochet still hasn’t shown.
Same fWAR in 43 fewer innings. If, and yes I’ll admit it’s more of a risk than with Cease, he gets to even 180 innings next year, just 34 more, he’d be at 5.8, which would be enough for 3rd in MLB, just behind CYA winner Skubal.
Statcast data also definitely favors Crochet. I honestly think you’re underestimating the difference in their overall quality. Cease is very good, Crochet is elite.
The average season for each player over the last 5 years(Crochet’s career length):
Dylan Cease- 3.75 ERA, 155ip, 3.22 WAR
Garrett Crochet- 3.19 ERA, 45ip, 1.18 WAR
Which would you rather have?
Anyone banking on 180ip from Crochet is in for a disappointment.
But Crochet was a RP until this past year. Regardless, he’s a Red Sox now
Hello. Orioles. Anyone there?
Guessing it’s one of the 3, Sox/Jays/Orioles, whoever misses out on Burnes. Can we have Kjersted in the deal with a couple others?????? 😉
No.no.no. Not Cease in Baltimore, Crochet please. Birds need a stud southpaw.
Unfortunately, Sox GM is rumored to be a Westburg fan not Kjerstad. Kjerstad has something to show, Westburg like Crochet has showed it. Turn your head and cough Elias. Get it done.
Baltimore gets a TOR potential guy that is a part of a 3 headed TOR by committee approach (Eflin/GRod/Crochet) along with Bradish and Wells onvtge need and lurking.
*on the mend*
Westburg should be untouchable He needs a contract now before gunnar (Boris won’t let Gunnar go crowns now anyway).
The Padres need young starting pitching. They have no prospects to trade, or want to trade. Use Cease to get younger volume of starters and hope for the best. Find a one-year C and a cheap LF and we’re ready for spring training.
Cease for Casas and Wong, let the Sox bring up one of the 2 stud catching prospects.
That’s crazy talk for one year of Cease who is likely to test free agency. Easy Pass.
Their GM asked Breslow for Abreu, Mayer, Fitts and another SP prospect for Cease.
The Padres have young SP prospects. Cruz, Baez, Bergert, etc… What they need is young proven MLB starting pitching.
They shouldn’t trade him. I think they are in a window and windows are rare and can bring an organization a lot of money. He’s a part of that window. I’d trade him at the deadline if things go south but where they are at, it’s worth the gamble to keep him. The package would have to be silly good to trade him
From what MLB has released each playoff game was worth $17 million to the teams this year. WS games considerably more. How many did the Padres play in? 6? 7?
The Padres played 7, but I was understanding that it was just the home games that the team earns that money. I may be wrong about that though. They played 4 home games. Still a nice size junk of change.
For 2025 Pods should keep Cease and Arraez and trade Salas for Crochet. Last year of contention. Then they can emulate the Pirates and As by not agreeing to any new contracts for > $3-4M while keeping fans in stands by offering more bobbleheads and not raising beer prices. That is how the team will be run post-Seidler.
I believe the padres should be spenders this year. They have cease, king, Arraez, hosmers and maybe Suarez money all coming off the books next year. That’s around 60m off the books next year. You can dip back under the tax next season if they all go. Especially if you can land a crochet and or Sasaki.
Cease, king, darvish, crochet and Sasaki. If you can land the other two and they add about a total of 3.5m in payroll. Obviously a big ? but possible agenda.
Then get a LF/C/1b-dh (this will drive them well over the tax)
Lose king and cease next year but get Musgrove back and can drop below the tax again.
Now yer talkin
One year left on his contract. I wouldn’t exactly trade the farm for him.
Their GM put this to rest. Said in essence people call, and we will listen, but he is not being traded unless they want to give us the sun, the moon, and the stars.
What they asked from the Red Sox was ridiculous.
The Padres won’t be satisfied with their roster until every player in the league has donned the Padre Brown and Yellow. They’re halfway there after these last few seasons.
Chris Landers from Fansided just claimed that Juan Soto and Manny Machado didn’t get along when he was in San Diego.