The Orioles signed longtime NPB star Tomoyuki Sugano to a one-year contract on Monday evening. Sugano, a client of VC Sports Group, is reportedly guaranteed $13MM. Baltimore had an opening on the 40-man roster, so no additional move was necessary.
Sugano makes the jump to Major League Baseball for the first time in what’ll be his age-35 season. He’s one of Japan’s most accomplished pitchers. The 6’1″ right-hander spent 12 years with the Yomiuri Giants in his home country. He posted a 2.43 earned run average in more than 1800 innings at the NPB level.
Major league scouts have followed Sugano for some time. He first appeared on many fans’ radars when the Yomiuri Giants made him available via the posting system during the 2020-21 offseason. Sugano was coming off a 1.97 ERA showing in his age-30 season. While he certainly attracted attention from big league clubs, he didn’t find a deal that compelled him to leave Japan. Instead, Sugano returned to the Giants on a four-year deal that paid him $40MM.
That contract allowed Sugano to opt out after each season, potentially clearing a path for him to make the move to MLB. He was evidently happy with his longtime club and decided not to take any of the early outs. Once the four-year term concluded, his camp made clear he intended to sign with an MLB team this offseason. Sugano had surpassed the nine years of NPB service time necessary to qualify for international free agency. Yomiuri will not receive any compensation for his departure, nor will the deal cost the Orioles anything other than the player’s salary.
Despite his age, Sugano is coming off one of his strongest seasons. He turned in a 1.67 ERA across 156 2/3 innings spanning 24 starts. It’s the second-lowest ERA of his career and earned him the NPB’s Central League MVP award for the third time. That’s not to say he’s still at his absolute peak form, however. Sugano only threw 77 2/3 innings during the 2023 season, reportedly on account of an elbow injury. His swing-and-miss rates have also dropped significantly compared to earlier years. Sugano struck out 18.3% of batters faced this year — well off the 24-26% range he’d posted in his late 20s.
Sugano’s NPB strikeout rate was about four percentage points lower than the 22% MLB average for starting pitchers. Many NPB hitters adopt a more contact-oriented approach than is common in the big leagues, so perhaps he’ll miss a few more bats in the majors. Sugano doesn’t have the same upside he would’ve brought a few seasons ago, though. Baseball America’s scouting report notes that his fastball velocity has dipped into the 92-93 MPH range after sitting somewhere between 94-96 MPH earlier in his career.
While the pure stuff has dropped as he’s aged and battled injury, Sugano has thrived thanks to his feel for pitching. That’s most evident in his excellent command. Sugano only walked 16 hitters all season, a microscopic 2.6% rate that’s lower than what any MLB starter managed this year (minimum 100 innings). That should rise slightly as he faces more patient hitters, but it’s fair to project Sugano for plus or better command.
Baseball America writes that Sugano indeed profiles as a control-oriented fourth or fifth starter. The outlet credits him with a five-pitch mix headlined by an above-average slider and splitter. Fans are encouraged to read BA’s full column, which also includes updated scouting reports on other prominent NPB and KBO players who are available to MLB teams (i.e. Roki Sasaki, Shinnosuke Ogasawara, Hyeseong Kim and Koyo Aoyagi).
The contract aligns with MLBTR’s prediction of one year and $12MM. It values Sugano as a capable back-end starter. Alex Cobb signed for $15MM with the Tigers last week. Late-career innings eaters Lance Lynn ($11MM) and Kyle Gibson ($13MM) got similar one-year deals with the Cardinals last offseason.
Sugano is a needed rotation upgrade for GM Mike Elias and his front office. The O’s should continue searching for higher-upside arms in the coming weeks. Sugano slots behind Zach Eflin and Grayson Rodriguez in the projected rotation. Dean Kremer, Trevor Rogers, Albert Suarez and youngsters Cade Povich and Chayce McDermott are options for the final two spots. The rotation remains Baltimore’s biggest question mark.
Sugano is the third highest-paid player on the roster, narrowly trailing Eflin ($18MM) and newly signed outfielder Tyler O’Neill ($16.5MM). Their player payroll is up to $134MM, as calculated by RosterResource. It’s not clear how far they’re willing to push spending in the first offseason under the David Rubenstein ownership group.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the salary. Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
twozero6ix
They heard the noise
Cambo
Nice low risk add for the Orioles. If Dave Dombrowski were alive he would be impressed.
chiefnocahoma1
Underrated comment. Also RIP Alex Anthopolous.
braveshomer
They must vacation together
Fever Pitch Guy
get – Exactly! I missed that press release, and also the one where people here have started referring to every HOBO as being deceased. If it’s just a morbid attempt at humor because players aren’t being signed fast enough, it’s a big fail. If there’s a different and more clever reason, fill us in.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
13 mil is high risk especially for a team like the orioles who don’t have the infinite money glitch
Also RIP Andrew Friedman
seamaholic 2
For one year? Nah.
VA/NC Orioles
The Orioles current bar for $13 million is Craig Kimbrel…the bar is not high at this time
geotheo
Burnes got 15.9 million in 2024. Eflin will make 18 million in 2025
averagejoe15
$13M for 1 year is not high risk for this new Os ownership. What a ridiculous statement
Baseball_dude
I’ve been watching them for 35 years and believe me, their “new ownership” means nothing. So far they’ve traded a top prospect for an absolute waste of a pitcher at the deadline, signed Craig Kimbrell who they released, signed an outfielder who’s just whatever, and signed a 36 year old pitcher that’s never pitched in MLB and gave him 13 million to do so. New ownership means nothing when they’re acting like it’s still 2020. I know this team all to well. Believe me when I tell you that they’re going nowhere
Waymann
@Baseball_dude What’s up with all this Norby worshipping that goes on in these forums? Dude is a good player but got out to an unsustainable hot start with the Fins and his defense numbers would have been competing for worst in the league if he played a full season.
Again, Norby is a good player but you’d think the Orioles gave up Gunnar or Cowser with the way people go on about it. Using bWAR as a metric…Norby would have rated out about 1.0 WAR over 162 with his 2024 numbers. That’s not exactly “top prospect” territory.
Fever Pitch Guy
dude – I think you’re being a bit premature in judgement. Red Sox Nation has the same complaint about our team, but we are wisely waiting another couple months before passing judgement.
Only 16 of the other 49 top free agents have signed, it’s not like there’s nobody left.
As for Sugano’s age, you’re being a bit of an ageist. Look at Koji Uehara, he came to MLB at Age 34 and from Age 36-40 he put up a 1.96 ERA and 0.743 WHIP!
Baseball_dude
The ageist thing made me laugh lol but I’ll entertain it.. I’m not being “ageist” I’m being realistic. Koji was a relief pitcher that was used for 1 inning, Baltimore is looking to use the new guy as a SP. age does matter in sports, if it didn’t, players would continue to play longer and not retire from declining performance and stats.
King Floch
Why did you bring up the Rogers trade but completely ignore the Eflin and Burnes trades, Baseball Dude?
You can criticize the current FO without lying by omission.
Fever Pitch Guy
dude – But the greatest players tend to perform well while in their late 30’s, wouldn’t you agree? Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, David Ortiz, and more recently Verlander and Scherzer. Painting Sugano with a broad brush is indeed ageist … and BTW he will be 35 next season, not 36 as you stated ;o)
Baseball_dude
Ok, they got a 1 year rental with burnes and now he’ll most likely sign with somebody else, now Baltimore is in a worst position than what they were last year with the loss of him and the loss of the 3 TJ surgery’s. Yes Eflin was a good pickup last year. ♂️
ocladfan
Andy needs to go after Roki and get Teo on the low low
King Floch
I laughed.
BITA
Is this the big signing you have been telling me about?
King Floch
Probably not since he projects as more of a back-of-the-rotation innings eater type than a Burnes replacement.
BITA
But what if it is?
I kinda think it is. The Orioles have a full rotation at this point.
King Floch
Wrong as usual lol.
BITA
You are acting like they have a shot at signing Sasaki. Who is wrong?
King Floch
We don’t have a full rotation.
You were wrong (again).
Take the L and move on with your life lol.
BITA
The Orioles have 7 guys for 5 spots. I think they are finished adding to the rotation.
You said they were going to make a big move. This isn’t it. 1 year of a lottery ticket. And ONeill is actually my favorite player but he’s a lottery ticket too. These are weird signings for a team that needs stability.
King Floch
You do know that teams usually need more than 7 starters to get through a 162 game season, right?
The Orioles needed about a dozen after all of the injuries just last year, as a matter of fact.
BITA
They gave up Norby for Rodgers. They aren’t going into the year without Rodgers in the rotation. Police and Suarez are good 6th and 7th starters. The Orioles rotation looks set. But it doesn’t look good.
King Floch
Elias already said that Rogers (not Rodgers) is going to have to earn his way into the rotation and may end up in the bullpen.
Next.
BITA
Let’s wait and see. I bet the Orioles don’t add anyone else to their rotation.
King Floch
Maybe they will, maybe they won’t, but Elias recently spoke about having interest in adding 2 starters and this clearly isn’t the Burnes replacement, so my money is on you being wrong yet again.
Kash Considerations
Blackpink confidently wrong about something? Today must be a day that ends in “y”!!!
BITA
This guy was telling me all offseason the Orioles are going to spend big.
They arent.
King Floch
No, I only said that they would spend, which they are, objectively, and that was in direct response to you saying that they never spend, which is wrong, objectively.
Being consistently wrong about everything is already bad enough, you don’t need to add “lying” to your list of “accomplishments.”
BITA
You said Rubenstein was going to open the checkbook. He replaced Santander with ONeill that’s a step back. McCann with Sanchez maybe that’s a neutral move. And now Burnes with Sugano that’s clearly a step back.
Sure the budget went up thats what happens when contending teams have to replace big money free agents and pay for arbitration raises. But the team is worse than it was in 2024 as of today.
King Floch
O’Neill and Sanchez upgrade that the area that the Orioles ACTUALLY needed to upgrade this offseason, which is hitting against lefties, and they should represent a significant upgrade on that front. They weren’t accidental or panic moves, or moves made just for the sake of making moves. They were deliberate, targeted moves made for a very specific reason.
You would know this if you actually knew what you were talking about when it comes to the Orioles, but, as you insist on repeatedly demonstrating for some bizarre reason, you don’t.
BITA
Dude you couldn’t be a bigger homer if you tried.
The Orioles are a worse team today than they were at the end of 2024.
King Floch
If by “homer,” you mean “not completely clueless like me,” then sure.
We struggled severely against lefties last year so we went out and got better against lefties, because that’s what smart, well-run teams do. They figure out what they aren’t good at and then try to get better at it.
I’m really sorry if this stuff is too complicated for you.
BITA
The Orioles let a guy who hit 44 homers go for a guy that can’t stay healthy because they are smart?
And now they let their ace walk for a 35 year old guy from Japan because they are ahead of the curve?
King Floch
Yes, because O’Neill is vastly better at the thing the team ACTUALLY needed to get better at (hitting lefties) than the guy he replaced.
And again, it’s extremely unlikely that Sugano is intended to be Burnes’ replacement, but that is the narrative that you’ve decided on because it suits your broader narrative about the Orioles, so have at it I guess.
Squeeze32
BITA – You were also pretty sure that Soto wasn’t going to sign for more than $600MM.
I’m going to wait and let the rest of the off-season play out before declaring the Orioles are done making moves because they “have a full rotation.”
sorengo99
Hoo boy, “guy who hit 44 HR.” Are you gonna rave about Tony’s RBIs next?
Send our regards to 1984, where you left your baseball analysis.
King Floch
I hope he brings up Santander’s GWRBIs next!
Jbigz12
Anyone would make room in their rotation for Sasaki. That’s just such a stupid comment. Kremer/Suarez could be traded away real quickly.
Johnny Devil
You have summed up my frustration with Dumbrowski forever and a day.
Bnickles127
Grats
Salzilla
Oh interesting. Good on the O’s! I’ll be interested to see how he does. The dude is plenty experienced.
forealforeal615
Welp, didn’t see this one coming. 35 years old? I’m scratching my head on this one.
Os1995
1.67 ERA and 156 innings in Japan last year. Cheap deal for someone who may have another year left in the tank
Rexhudler86
@os1995. I can see him putting up similar numbers to kikuchi worse case scenario.
danumd87 2
It’s a one year deal. Great low risk move with plenty of upside potential
bag o ballz
man that could turn out to be a deal – 13mm is nothing on the market for a guy that could be all star caliber if he adjusts well to mlb
kylegocougs
His strikeout rate was like 18% in Japan iirc. That’s not likely to turn into an all star
forealforeal615
His walk rate is very minimal though also. After looking at it, I could find worse ways to spend 13 million.
bag o ballz
people said the same thing about imanaga when he came over – his strikeout rate was slightly higher but a number of teams passed on him because they didn’t have confidence for the very same reason
Pangolin
Imanaga had an NPB K/9 of 9.2 the three years before he came to MLB… Sugano’s is 6.2.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
You don’t have to strike everybody out to be a successful pitcher
Pangolin
His NPB K/9 the last three years was under 6.3. Even if he was that successful in MLB (which is highly unlikely) that ranks him at the very bottom of MLB in the Miles Mikolas and Austin Gomber range.
Yikes. Good luck with that for $13mil a year.
seamaholic 2
Ironically, both Mikolas and Gomber are solid major league starting pitchers.
Pangolin
If by solid you mean batting practice, then yes I agree with you.
Patriot12992
Kinda incredible we hit the point where we write a pitcher off based on one stat.
Robertguyette
First year of hitters seeing him will help boost his early season stats. Being on a really good team with a bad bullpen will keep him in games linger than other newcomers.
AndyWarpath
I wonder if this officially closes the door on a Corbin Burnes reunion.
Goin' to Sheetz
It’s interesting that the Os haven’t been listed as out of it yet. I would love for Elias to pull that rabbit out of his hat before Christmas.
C Yards Jeff
Maybe not. Os still don’t have a TOR. If anything, FO is hoping this one yr deal fills that gap between the opener and when Bradish or Wells or both get back.
Samuel
Hey Jeff,
Elias and Co got 33 year-old Albert Suárez from the Korean League last offseason and he saved the pitching staff working in both relief and then starting.
I don’t know ifs American kids were looking at his Korean stats and figuring out what he would do in the ML based on them.
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I saw your post a few days ago somewhere stating that maybe the O’s didn’t need a ace pitcher. I agreed with that.
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MLB is now a bullpen game. When a small market team goes out and commits $25-35m a year on a long term contract to get an ace pitcher, the odds are overwhelming that at some point he’ll either need surgery where he’s out for an expended time, or he goes downhill and the team is stuck with an upside down contract. Large market teams can eat those. Some of the bigger mid-market teams can work their way through it. But most mid-market teams and all small market teams are going to be handcuffed the years the pitcher is healing.
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We’ve seen the last 10-15 years that teams have to build their own bullpens. Signing FA bullpenners to large multi-year contracts seldom works out. The O’s have a nice bullpen, which they pretty much have developed. Now they’re working on their younger starting pitchers (they’ve developed Rodriguez, Kremer, Bradish and Wells…….health is the issue. It’s the approach that successful small market teams have to take as we’ve seen with the Guardians, Rays, and Brewers.
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The offseason is fun as we speculate on what will happen during the coming season. But by May 1 almost all the obvious narratives prove to be wrong. It’s always about teams that make the players they have under contract better. Even a little bit better. Get 8-10 players on a team to improve just a bit, and another one or two to have unexpected good seasons has a cumulative effect. That can offset a few getting injured or heading south. Happens all the time. Local fans love a winning team a lot more when either the players came through their system, or came over from another team where they never really established themselves. They blossom with the home team (think Ryan O’Hearn….Frank Robinson. The players are jacked and the fans see them as one of “Our Guys”….and that makes the team special.
C Yards Jeff
Samuel
Bullpen help. Can never have enough of it. Orioles FO like all FOs try their darnest to have a good one. Its a 365 day juggling act. For instance, a lefty like Coulumbe is gone; yet Perez stays. To this amatuer GM , I’m baffled by it.
Agree; it is fun to speculate this time of year. That said; looking forward to see how my Birds break from camp this year!
Big whiffa
I think the Os are out of it, but this did not impact that at all. I really hope they don’t go to flarety from here or trade for cease. Burnes is still the best fit but I don’t think they can compete with what giants will end op offering or Toronto if they even count
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
It’s just another shintaro fujinami for the orioles
He might get dfa’d mid season or he has a breakout like shota imanaga
just_thinkin
When you don’t know ball
niel.marshal
LOL, Sugano is way way better than Fujinami in terms of accomplishment in Japan. Fujinami is never the same pitcher from his rookie years after he asked to be replaced in the 4/5th innings in a rainy game because he’s not feeling well, but the manager choose to handle it old school style (Tomoaki Kanemoto) and saw it as a weakness. So he command Fujinami to throw another innings (7IP & 131 pitches) to teach Fujinami.
Fujinami definitely have raw talent, both he and Shohei Ohtani drafted in the same year, both heralded as a HS pitcher, both can throw 100mph in HS, but the Nippon Ham choose to handle Ohtani workload very careful, while the Hanshin like, naaaah, we dont do that here
Shame Friedman didnt try to take Sugano. He is actually one of my favorite pitcher, and that came from their crosstown rival fan, Yakult Swallows fan LOL. He’s tormented Yakult Swallows fans a lot.
niel.marshal
Kanemoto? He resign after the 2018 season. The accident happen in June/July 2016. I google it, Fujinami actually pitch 8.1 innings & 161 pitches in that rainy game. Sorry for the error earlier.
Kanemoto himself retired from playing baseball in age 44. 2012 is his las season, and he still starting 126 games that year. Dude playing like, 90-95% of all games each year, even when he’s slighty injured. NPB played 144 games each year, and this Kanemoto guy start like minimum 140 games each year. So, yeah, dude is tough as nail guy. And probably trying to force the same when he is promoted to the manager. But, you know, times change
bwmiller79
Nice post, Ive liked Fujinami since he came over stateside, purely from what I see on his tape, he has great stuff but pitching certainly is an encompassing endeavor.
Great addition to the Orioles, sounds like they plucked the best pitcher in Japan, the Greg Maddux of Nippon. Orioles have a legitimate rotation. They didn’t have to trade any prospects, signed a potential Ace, and have no commitment past 2025. This is the coup of the off-season.
Ra
“One of my favorite pitcherS…” in English.
scruffmcgruff
They need to do more than this though, very low risk high reward move for them. But he is older and also movie to the Mlb, his command should translate but you do wonder if his stuff will play at his age. O’s still need to make a move for an ace-level pitcher and another solid mid rotation or better arm for me to be ok with this.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
What a deal
2012orioles
How do these number translate to the big leagues? I’m guessing he’s not an absolute ace, but a solid 2?
Trashcan
More like decent #4 above average #5
2012orioles
Ahh. Figured not a 2 for that money. Thanks
stymeedone
So based on Trashcan’s opinion, its all settled.
Ra
More of a MOR – #3 or maybe #4.
LordD99
Backend.
seamaholic 2
Neither. Mid-rotation guy. It’s a steal for a guy like that.
Baseballisthebest
Elias saying that he feels they now have a solid rotation and that while they are still in the market if someone falls in their laps, that he is turning to other needs, was something I didn’t expect since they just lost Burnes.
rickyism
Think he just found out ownership really is not willing to spend money, at least not this year. Optimistic, they are “saving” to spend on Gunnar/possibly some others a year or two later. More likely, they are going to spend similar levels that Angelos did and won’t sign them either. I don’t know about reports that apparently Elias is the one who doesn’t want to spend if those are actually accurate or not.
ba$eba||F@n21
After what we just witnessed with Soto, unfortunately there is a zero percent chance that Gunnar signs an extension. I would love to be wrong but I don’t think I will be.
gorav114
I don’t know if it’s fair to say they won’t spend now considering their 4 highest paid guys were all brought in over last year
Edp007
I believe all extensions ( unless there’s an opt out every year lol) ate a thing of the past for stars , arbitration salaries are high enough now to play it out. Everyone who’s a star player ,the way salaries rude exponentially every year will want to test FA.
Edp007
*rise not rude
Ra
That rumor was BS. Yes, Elias and Sig are less likely to sign 30-something Free Agents to 7 year contracts worth hundreds of millions. But it’s not because “Elias is cheap” or “the owners won’t follow through with increasing payroll.” It’s that their analysis dictates that the path out year-in year-out competitiveness is built on a continued pipeline of talent paired with judicious trades and shorter term FA signings.
King Floch
That quote seems to be from a parody account on X.
Pangolin
His K/9 the last three seasons in NPB has been 6.2. That would rank him dead last among starting pitchers with Miles Mikolas and Austin Gomber.
I don’t know what the Orioles are thinking here. My guess is he will be DFA’d before the All-Star break.
RolloMartins
Strikeouts are not the only way a pitcher can be useful. Pitching to weak contact is still a thing. An out is an out whether it is a strikeout or a weak ground out to your shortstop.
Big whiffa
Lots of guys never make it in bigs that can throw hard but those who can pitch, ya never know. He could be AL roy
Pads Fans
Remember Greinke the last 4-5 seasons? He could not throw hard but was still getting guys out.
just_thinkin
Love it!!!!
Gwynning
Nice move Orange Birds!
King Floch
Now Sasaki will have a fellow countryman to hang out with when he signs with the Orioles!
😉
Gwynning
John Sasaki? Cuz it sure ain’t Roki!
Good on ya guys, Flocher!
😉
King Floch
Yes, Roki “John” Sasaki!
LordD99
Seems the new ownership doesn’t want to spend either.
gorav114
2023 payroll – 69k
2024 – 109k
2025 – 128k
Seems you are just saying chit without having any idea what you are talking about
Goin' to Sheetz
Nice signing! Now can Sasaki come over to Bmore too?
King Floch
Neat!
Plus it may increase Roki Sasaki’s interest in coming to Charm City.
Love it tbh.
VicRoz
Curious… maybe this is a way to lure
Roki Sasaki to the O’s?
King Floch
It certainly won’t hurt to have a NPB legend that he probably respects greatly in the clubhouse when he’s thinking about where to sign.
Gwynning
You mean like his hero, Yu Darvish?!
King Floch
Shhhh…
rickyism
Praying for an Albert Suarez savior.
Cambo
Strike out rates in NPB tend to be much lower than MLB. Joey Gallo hasn’t signed with an NPB team yet…
Ra
Yes, about 80% of MLB levels. If Sugano’s k/9 rises comparably, he’d be at a legitimately serviceable 7.9 k/9.
deepseamonster32
Can’t be true. Japanese players are only willing to play on the West Coast and New York.
mike2017
That is not true.
Seiya and Imanaga signed with Chicago.
Matsuzaka and Yoshida with Boston,
Darvish with Texas.
Kawakami with Atlanta.
I guess you do not follow MLB much.
Rexhudler86
@mike. They typically visit the west coast teams. He met with the angels, and giants. But yeah it’s funny how people think they follow the say rule book. I bet the angels, and giants had that deal on the table, and he chose Baltimore.
Salzilla
He’s not serious…
nicksc10
Orioles no longer a poverty team leaving only ATL in that category.
kylegocougs
You’re forgetting the Mariners
Psychguy
You mean he didn’t sign with the Dodgers? It must be rigged.
❤️ MuteButton
Japanese Greg Maddox. Well that may be an overstatement, but strikeouts can be overrated. I thought this game was supposed to be about results?
SteveM7
Is that Garry’s little brother?
mike2017
no
Elliott Maddox
Big Hurt
He slots right behind Rogers lol. Could have traded for Crochet, instead they go after a 35 year old who struck out less than a guy per inning… in Japan. And Os fans are ecstatic, classic.
danumd87 2
This clown again…
King Floch
I’m sorry that most O’s fans aren’t crying themselves to sleep at night over missing out on the opportunity to overpay for Crochet and his half-season track record of greatness, but you really need to let it go.
Big Hurt
Crochet is just one example, there are many pitchers the Os could go after if they are willing to part with the Norfolk 5… but they (and most Os fans) are so enamored with having a great farm system they seem to forget that the goal is to win the Ws (or at least a playoff series) and their window won’t be open forever.
King Floch
Not true, but have fun with your narrative or whatever.
Big Hurt
Excellent comeback King. Strong points. Did you put your fingers over your ears and hum “nah nah nah” while typing that?
King Floch
What do you want me to say?
We had this EXACT same discussion only a couple of days ago, wherein I said that I would be completely open to moving Holliday/Mayo/Basallo for the right guy but that I just didn’t see Crochet as the right guy.
Bryce Miller? Sure. Jared Jones? Definitely. But Garrett Crochet? Eh, no thanks.
Big Hurt
Listen, I’m glad you are civil and interact, but I have to say I’m surprised that you’d rather have Jones than Crochet. Having said that, my point isn’t that the Os should trade for Crochet, just that their pitching moves have been historically underwhelming under Elias and they have all the resources to make a splash. Even national writers are getting on board and there will be pressure on Elias to use up one of their 5 top 50 prospects to get an actually number 1. Or buy Snell… or fried… or someone. And instead they get a noodle-armed 35 year old Japanese pitcher and Os fans are happy (because Coby Mayo MIGHT be good and we still have him!!!). I just don’t get it.
El Kabong
Have you seen the “noodle-armed” Japanese pitcher pitch? Or were you trying to make a funny?
Rexhudler86
@EL kabong. This is was probably the guy that called kikuchi a soft tossing pitcher. I got hungry and stopped reading after he was talking about fried noodles.
Big Hurt
I have not. He had a lovely ERA in Japan, but the lack of Ks would make me a bit nervous coming over… and being 35 with a fb that tops out at 92. But yeah, I suppose he could be Ohtani or Sasaki if that’s what you’re implying. I just don’t think there’s a huge recent history of success with that profile.
El Kabong
@Rexhudler,
Or maybe one of the people calling Ohtani a bust before the 2021 season.
Rexhudler86
@bighurt. They said averages at 93mph. It’s 93-95. Your forgetting the part about elite command. I will remind you that ohtani’s fastball has a .300 batting average against it.
Rexhudler86
@El Kabong. Or literally everyone saying imanaga was old and going to be a bust. Either way sugano has good career numbers. The deal is reasonable especially how the market has been.
BITA
Bryce Miller has nasty home road splits he’s a bum outside of Seattle.
Crochet is a stud. And he went to a division rival.
Big Hurt
Imanaga was 29 and struck out 188 in 159 IP his last year in Japan. This guy is 35 and struck out 111 in the same number of innings. I don’t care that much about fb, but imo he needs a swing and miss pitch in mlb in 2025 and he doesn’t seem to have one. Feels like they are adding current day Zack Greinke, but we’ll see.
BITA
Like Greinke as if he came out of retirement today?
Who knows what this guy does in MLB. This just isn’t the kind of move the Orioles should be making. I would like the signing for some other teams but not them they need an ace and he’s who knows what.
King Floch
He signed Kyle Gibson heading into a transition year and then traded for Burnes heading into the first true win-now season of his tenure as Orioles GM. Then, during that win-now season, he traded for Eflin, who was arguably the best SP to change hands at last year’s deadline. That isn’t Dodgers-tier splurging obviously, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it “underwhelming” either.
Also, I doubt Elias cares much what national sports writers think since the overwhelming majority of them have never worked in a MLB FO, much less turned one of the worst organizations in the sport into one of the best.
As for Jones vs. Crochet, I prefer his youth and amount of remaining control, but you, as a White Sox fan, prefer Crochet, and that’s totally understandable. I probably would too if the roles were reversed.
King Floch
He was a “stud” for half a season, then he ran out of gas.
Glad the Red Sox overpaid for him though, Getz actually came up clutch for White Sox fans for once.
Pads Fans
Floch, it would appear Elias agree with you and not Big Troll.
Pads Fans
Google is your friend. Use it.
cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/this-years-npb…
mlb.com/news/japanese-pitcher-tomoyuki-sugano-faq
He sits 92 and tops out at 95.
Pads Fans
HOFer Greinke?
3.88 ERA from 35 through the end of his career Greinke?
2.93 ERA in his age 35 season Greinke?
If Sugano is that guy, the Orioles are going to be happy.
Pads Fans
Crochet –
3.56 ERA overall
3.02 ERA in 107.1 IP in 20 starts the first half
5.12 ERA in 38.2 IP in 12 “starts” the 2nd half.
He was an opener after the All Star break and not a good one.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Miller rocked Yankees and was where we in total ERA he couldn’t be that bad… any team in baseball ⚾️ will take him as their #4 starter.
Rexhudler86
@pads fan. Yeah he doesn’t get the difference between average and tops out. He’s also said he doesn’t care about the fastball, and right after that compares him to the current greinke that throws a 84mph fastball and 6 years older.
King Floch
Right?
Like, oh no, we got a Zach Greinke clone.
The horror.
(lol)
BITA
Dude it’s not about team control. The Orioles have a window to win and it’s closing. They need to win now.
King Floch
Sorry, but I’m going to trust the successful MLB GM (Mike Elias) over the random guy posting in the MLBTR comments section who is always wrong (you).
Rexhudler86
@king Floch. Wondering if they think they can emulate kikuchi’s success with the Astros. Makes sense since the orioles had some defectors come over from the front office. He has a nasty slider with 6 pitches.
I can’t reply to BITA. But who was talking about team control. I’m not even sure what or who your talking about because you lose every argument, and change topics.
King Floch
Rex- I brought up team control earlier in regards to the “Jared Jones vs. Garrett Crochet as trade targets” discussion when speaking to Big Hurt. BITA doesn’t seem to understand that Elias wants the Orioles to be a perennial contender, not a short run/tear it down and start over kind of team.
And I am sure Elias has a vision for Sugano, he is nothing if not calculated, and he definitely loves him some sliders lol.
BITA
I have Rex on mute he likes to jump in to conversations I am involved in because he needs attention.
What happens when Henderson and Rutschman are free agents? You think they stay with Baltimore? I bet they dont.
Pads Fans
Miller had a 4.07 or better than league average, ERA on the road. He was otherworldly at home.
Better than average is never a bum.
King Floch
The Orioles will play every game without a catcher or shortstop and only 7 hitters in the lineup.
What do you think will happen? Replacements will either come from the farm system or from outside the organization, same as any other team.
BITA
You need to use FIP. Its a better stat. Crochet was either the league leader in FIP or close to it.
BITA
The Orioles are going to replace Henderson and Rutschman and the Orioles will just keep on winning?
I wouldn’t bet on it homer
King Floch
Yeah, you’re right, Houston was toast after Springer and Correa left, so I guess it’s hopeless for the Orioles.
(lol)
BITA
Houston started spending tons of money around that time dude. The Orioles aren’t spending thats the problem. Houston did it right the Orioles are wasting their window because they are cheap.
Big Hurt
King, the Sox have way too many problems to be solved by one decent trade but he seems to have gotten good value this time (we’ll see). I do get frustrated with Os fans who blindly seem to love Elias and his moves regardless of the fact that they haven’t won a playoff series and seem to want to horde prospects at the expense of the current team.
I liked the Eflin and Burnes moves, and thought Rogers was a horrible trade, but ultimate think that if they traded Mayo or Kjerstad for a top end starter (take your pick, doesn’t have to be crochet), they would look more like a playoff winner. Os fans CLEARLY disagree (as does Elias) in spite of evidence to the contrary and i don’t get it. But all good my friend, just my thoughts.
Jbigz12
Houston replaced Correa and Springer with Chas McCormick and Jeremy Pena and still won ball games.
The money they spent on FA’s was largely flushed down the toilet and not the key to their winning at all. Abreu and Montero are still sucking salary today.
Ra
Throwing out 80% of data points does not value pitchers’ results and ability better. than ERA. It’s just a crude coefficient centered on league average ERA in an attempt to look like the original metric. FIP is as obsolete as Wins.
BITA
FIP is better than ERA. Period. It’s the best way to determine future performance. Crochet had a really really good year last year. He played in front of a defense that sucked. FIP takes that into account ERA does not.
You are a biased Orioles fan. If the Orioles traded for Crochet you would be saying something entirely different.
Pads Fans
BITA, in case you missed the obvious, I am a Padres fan.
EARNED Run Average or ERA does take into account defense, it just doesn’t take into account that official scorers make subjective decisions and are not always correct. FIP was created to take out any subjectivity in measuring what the pitchers actual performance was.
If you want FIP, then maybe post what it was. Then you don’t look like so much of an uninformed jerk. Here you go anyway.
1st half – 2.37
2nd half – 3.58
Crochet went from 2nd in the 1st half to 46th in the 2nd half.
Just say thank you.
Salzilla
Instead you guys overpaid for Trevor Rogers…shudder…
Ra
Really? Good hit, no field Norby and no job Stowers? LMFAO!
Salzilla
Norby was fantastic when he got Miami. Stowers wasn’t, but doesn’t change the fact that both were pretty highly regarded prospects and Rogers had fallen lower than these two and was putrid.
holecamels35
Right. This team has a window to win a World Series and they’re acquiring bounceback candidates. Do they secretly have the 800m to keep Adley and Gunnar there for life.
ba$eba||F@n21
Gunnar is not signing an extension, will go to FA and get beyond 600 on his own. They may have a slim opportunity to extend Adley but my guess is that he will go to FA as well and his price tag will be up to 300, but I don’t see it exceeding that. So you are in the ballpark for sure.
Ra
Henderson could sign a sweetened Witt deal. There is tremendous value to buying out the ARB years at realistic value, guaranteeing generational wealth as a hedge to injury.
Ra
Would be stupid to sign Adley.
BITA
Why would it be stupid to sign a great catcher that was drafted and developed by your team?
MattStats5
You’re an idiot
Ra
Guess who else struck out fewer than one Batter per inning… 37 of the 58 pitchers who threw 160 innings or more last year.
The_Porcupine
I suppose there are worse ways to spend 13 million in this pitching economy. Certainly wished it was sasaki. Not the pitching addition we need, but it at least gives some depth
Thornton Mellon
Hopefully he throws more pitches for the Orioles than the last time they found a deal in Asia…Tsuyoshi Wada.
That number: zero. He was paid for 2 years though.
Probably his best career start came against the Orioles.
I am not hopeful its anything above a 4-5 starter, again the Orioles going for cheap and hope versus paying for certainty.
roenickstein
Around the same time the Orioles signed Uehara and Chen. Both were decent pitchers. Although the Sox got the best of Uehara
Thornton Mellon
Uehara was supposed to be a starter but ended up a reliever. A very good one yes but certainly did not live up to the billing simply because a good starter has more impact than a good reliever.
Chen had a couple of solid #3-#4 seasons, 3 full and one with an injury. But again nothing dominant.
Chen level production would probably be the very max hope for Sugaro. Expectations are something a bit above Suarez. Like another #4. Can’t be division favorites with a bunch of mid to back end rotation guys. Still need that #1.
Ra
“The last time (the Orioles) found a deal in Asia” was when they signed WEI-YIN CHEN, not Wada. Idiot Thornton shtts on the Orioles signing Wada when they signed Wei-Yin Chen a month later in the same offseason. That idiot is the biggest dumbfkk crybaby who can’t even present a single honest argument. Chen was a FANTASTIC signing for the Orioles, moron…
Chen: BAL (4 Yrs) 9.4WAR 46W 32L .590% 3.72ERA 706.2IPs 1.252WHIP
And the softy has me on mute because he can’t bear to have his lies exposed. If he weren’t such an idiot, he wouldn’t have to worry about being publicly corrected.
FanDan
Padres send Cease, Suarez, Arraez and prospect Isaiah Lowe for Mountcastle, Westburg, Povich and Kjerstad.
King Floch
No thanks.
cooperhill
LMFAO!
Pads Fans
You are on some serious drugs.
tom brunanskys black sock
Dang, SUGANO and SAUERS on the same day. Very confectionary.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mmmmmm Sour Patch Kids.
Reynaldo's
I want Shintaro Fujinami to pitch in the MLB next year.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@Reynaldo’s I 100% agree. The Mets did not give him any chances last season. He started off shaky in triple a to start the year and then got injured. He came back and was lightening it up. Instead they used guys like Tyler Jay and Ty Adcock
YankeesBleacherCreature
Well done, O’s!
Cohen's _Wallet
Nice signing for the O’s IMHO. Rooting for the 35 year old to have at the very least a decent season.
holecamels35
To the people saying there’s no risk in a one year deal, yes and no. Majority of teams other than the Dodgers and NY teams don’t have an unlimited budget and only have a few bullets in the chamber when it comes to acquiring players. If this guy sucks, Gary Sanchez sucks, and Rodgers does nothing, that’s over 20m they could’ve used elsewhere, along with prospect capital. They should not be doing anything that effects them re-signing Burnes.
King Floch
What about things that could help make Baltimore more attractive to Roki Sasaki?
Because I think that’s worth doing.
FanDan
A lot of lipstick.
BITA
Dude Sasaki isn’t going to the Orioles get a clue. They don’t even have an open spot in their rotation anymore thanks to this signing.
King Floch
Posting blatantly incorrect information with supreme confidence, classic BITA.
Eflin, Grayson, Kremer, and Sugano are the only set SPs in the rotation at present.
As for Sasaki, we’ll see. Having a guy he likely looks up to and admires in the clubhouse certainly won’t hurt our chances of signing him.
BITA
Rogers, Suarez and Povich are all in the mix. That’s 7 total guys.
I think the Orioles are about done.
King Floch
“In the mix” isn’t “in the rotation.”
There are 4 guys presently in the rotation.
You were wrong. Again.
BITA
How many starts did those 3 guys i named make in 2024? And you think none will be in the opening day rotation???
Why would you think that?
King Floch
The bullpen and minor league options exist, you know.
BITA
Where is Rodgers pitching? The pen???
King Floch
Yes.
The presence of Trevor Rogers isn’t going to stop Elias from adding someone better if he finds a deal that he likes and he already floated the idea of using Rogers as a bulk guy in the pen earlier in the offseason.
VA/NC Orioles
Here’s to hoping Rodgers got a clue this offseason and went to driveline to discover some velocity. He could potentially be effective with higher velo similar to his early years. Not closing the book just yet on this trade but it’s currently very lopsided.
Thornton Mellon
Be very vague in translating the definition of “crabs” to Japanese. Stick to the seafood variety not the land based crustaceans.
whyhayzee
Japanese batters are more contact oriented but Major League batters are more patient? Huh.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah MLB batters take more walks. MLB is the 3 Major Outcome league.
whyhayzee
I think it’s more they get walked more. MLB pitchers who throw as hard as they can and pitches going all over the place.
just_thinkin
Super fun signing. Way more interesting than a Gibson or Heaney type.
BITA
The Orioles are supposed to be replacing Burnes.
Maybe this guy will be good but who the heck knows. This isn’t the kind of risk the Orioles should be taking.
just_thinkin
They will, and sure it is.
VA/NC Orioles
Has potential to be a solid deal for the O’s. Ride this dude every 5 days for 3 months and then when Bradish and Wells are coming back around slot into a 6 man or piggyback situation. A consistent big bat would be nice….
El Kabong
It’s hilarious how people come on sites like this and knock players they’ve never seen play.
BITA
You can see them contract. It’s not like Baltimore is a thriving Asian community so I doubt he took a discount. And he only got 1 year 13 million. So what do the Orioles know that everyone else doesnt?
King Floch
Several teams were reported to have interest in Sugano since the start of the offseason and he ended up exceeding his MLBTR contract prediction.
BITA
He got 1 year 13 million. Thats number 4 starter money on a contending team like the Orioles are supposed to be.
If he’s so good why didn’t he get more?
King Floch
And guess what?
He’s going to serve as a #4/5 starter on a contending team.
BITA
He’s top 3 in the Orioles rotation. You keep thinking they are going to make another big signing. I don’t think they will. This was their big signing.
Ra
Actually Baltimore does have a thriving Asian community .Wrong again, out-of-towner.
Thornton Mellon
It is equally funny to see people come onto sites like this and hype players they’ve never seen play.
tikiagedola
The overrated Birds filled with “prospects”. Every single team in the AL east is overrated
SewaldSwansonSwoon
What a stupid comment
King Floch
I mean, one of those “prospects” has placed in the top 2 of ROTY voting for 3 years running now, but whatever.
whyhayzee
Koji Uehara came to the O’s at 34 years old. At 38, he had one of the best seasons by a relief pitcher in the history of baseball. So there’s that.
mike2017
Uehara was also a starting pitcher in Japan.
He was also the ace pitcher of the Giants.
Just like Sugano.
They are both control pitchers.
Both came to the US in their mid 30s.
Sugano might become a reliever in a few years too.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think Urhara threw a lot harder. This guy shoves it up there at 92mph. I think he will give up a lot of homers.
King Floch
It’s been awhile, but I recall his velo as a SP being pretty pedestrian but then jumping several ticks as a reliever.
Pads Fans
Uehara threw 86-89 over his time in the majors. 87 that first year as a starter and ticked up to 88-89 as a reliever before fading late in his career.
King Floch
I could have sworn it spiked higher than that as a RP, but like I said, it’s been awhile, so I guess I was misremembering.
Either way, Koji’s success at that velo is somewhat reassuring in regard to Sugano.
Pads Fans
Those are where he sat, not peak speeds, so you could remember him hitting 90-91 occasionally. Those peaks tend to stand out in memory.
Ra
What year did they change the point at which the speed gun measures velocity (adding 3 mph)?
RussianFemboy
@Ignorant
did you even watch him?
Koji threw around 88.
This guy throws harder that Koji.
Rsox
This is one Breslow probably could have gotten. I still hope for Burnes, if not a Pivetta re-signing, but Crochet can not be the only starter added
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
As it stands you have a Top 10 rotation. Are you demanding a Top 5 rotation? That’s setting high expectations.
kylegocougs
They absolutely do not have a top 10 rotation… they got a bunch of JAGs
BITA
Crochet and Houck are good. It’s borderline top 10 but thats a good 1 2 punch.
Pads Fans
Crochet, Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Criswell, the Red Sox projected opening day SP rotation. had a combined ERA of 4.05 last season. That would place them really close to Cincinnati’s SP who had a 4.09 ERA last season in 16th place and far behind Boston’s SP in 2024 that put up a 3.81 ERA overall.
If Giolito and Whitlock return by mid-season, they could improve on that. As they stand, they are not top 10.
BITA
Crochet was playing behind a poor defense. FIP is a better stat. According to FIP I bet they are borderline top 10 like I said.
Pads Fans
The Red Sox were 16th in FIP at 4.10 and Crochet, Houck, Bello, Crawford, and Criswell combined for a 4.06 FIP last season. That would have been 15th just behind the Cards and ahead of the Pirates.
BITA
But they added Crochet knucklehead. So……
Ra
FIP is 30 years outdated. AT least use xERA or something that doesn’t throw out 80% of data points. FIP is worse than Wins.
Pads Fans
I was responding to the post below. If you don’t like my response, then post your own response to the OP. utilizing whatever stat you prefer.
BITA
1 day ago
Crochet was playing behind a poor defense. FIP is a better stat. According to FIP I bet they are borderline top 10 like I said.
================================================
BTW, FIP uses
IP, HR, SO, BB, HBP, FB%, GB%, LD%,
in this formula – ((HR x 13) + (3 x (BB + HBP)) – (2 x K)) / IP + FIP constant.
What are the other 80% of data points you are talking about?
Expected ERA, or xERA, is a simple 1:1 translation of Expected Weighted On-Base Average (xwOBA), converted to the ERA scale. xwOBA takes into account the amount of contact (strikeouts, walks, hit by pitch) and the quality of that contact (exit velocity and launch angle). It uses less data points than FIP.
Like FIP, it doesn’t take into account the ballpark the pitcher is playing in. Unlike FIP it doesn’t adjust to the league.
xERA is also not very accurately predictive. It’s predictive correlation is less than 70%. FIP is predictive to a 90% accuracy.
So tell me why I should use a stat that uses less data points, is not adjusted to the league, and is not a closely accurate predictor of future performance?
Now if you had said SIERA, which is slightly more accurate as a ERA estimator, I would have agreed with you.
Its formula is SIERA = 6.145 – 16.986*(SO/PA) + 11.434*(BB/PA) – 1.858*((GB-FB-PU)/PA) + 7.653*((SO/PA)^2) +/- 6.664*(((GB-FB-PU)/PA)^2) + 10.130*(SO/PA)*((GB-FB-PU)/PA) – 5.195*(BB/PA)*((GB-FB-PU)/PA)
But the OP didn’t ask about SIERA, they asked about FIP.
While SIERA is the most accurate of the ERA estimators, it’s only slightly more accurate than FIP or xFIP at measuring current performance. Its always best to use all 3 and understand why each likes or dislikes a particular pitcher’s performance.
Nothing is worse than Wins in measuring pitching performance or predicting future pitching performance,. It makes xERA look good. Wins are a team stat much like RBI and runs, not a measure of individual performance.
Pads Fans
BTW, using xERA would have been extremely close to using ERA. It would have placed the current Red Sox staff in 16th place last season. Hope that helps you.
ArianaGrandSlam
This length-wise worst contact was the best offer he got, probably not so satisfied.
ba$eba||F@n21
Hopefully a dual purpose signing for the obvious rotation reasons but also much needed attention and recruitment if they plan on making an effort on Sasaki, which they most definitely should be doing – despite the highly publicized purported interest or desire to join a west coast team.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
The Orioles will never win a World Series with Last Place Ellias as the GM
Aiden Awe
Elias is a fine GM at best
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Elias won’t spend money even when the owner green lights it and hands it to him to spend. He politely refuses and says “no, we’re trying to make a point here.”
SewaldSwansonSwoon
There’s zero actual evidence that article about Elias is rooted in fact. All sounds like sour grapes.
kylegocougs
That report made me livid as a Mariners fan
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Again, Kyle, there is zero evidence that report is credible.
Ra
Idiotic BS, like you”re a fly on the wall. In reality, you got suckered by a bullshtt rumor and repeat it like gospel. ROFLMFAO! You are ignorant, Ill give you that.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
It would be pretty lame if it was true. As a fan of baseball I hope it’s not, have nothing against the Orioles.
SewaldSwansonSwoon
LFGMoron can’t resist the chance to display his stupidity at every turn
RussianFemboy
@LFG
I see why you’ve been banned so many times.
cooperhill
Sorry, I am having flashbacks to Suk Min Yoon!
Bucket Number Six
Finlete: MLBTR’s end run around gambling advertisers.
tikiagedola
Why can’t they have gambling
Bucket Number Six
They can. They chose not to. But this doesn’t seem far from it.
gorav114
So how much did you invest?
Bucket Number Six
$0,000,000.00!
SFGRab
Ooh, you are guaranteed to make 1000 % on your investment, well done!
momTurphy
This is a solid move. And a much better bet than assuming a reliever, even an elite one like Emmanuel Clase will get a big contract in 2029. Odds are he gets hurt by then or is like 99% of relievers who have a high level of volatility in their career. Only someone with Steve Cohen money would invest in Clase for his 2029 stats.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Sorry, what does Clase have to do with Sugano again ? Clase is not available and he is a closer.
momTurphy
The article before was an advertisement for some scam company with comments closed on it so I figured I’d post it here.
UpintheAir
Sasaki?!
MacGromit
I don’t hate this signing. def worth the open roster spot. that is some freaky tight control to sport a BB rate like that. still, we’ll see after the transition (ball, different batters, etc) what role he can play.
come’on Elias… shock us with a multi-opt out high AAV contract that will get Burnes to bite. or move some guys to get another TOR guy.
good step, now let’s get that TOR and some bullpen help. (and Roki!)
keep that cash flyin’. Go O’s.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Elias is philosophically against giving any pitcher a multi year free agent contract.
MacGromit
also, he only thinks about eating dry cereal all day long. how is it that we can know what’s going on in someone’s mind?
classic post there, Iggy.
“depends on the situation”, is more likely explanation for the past history.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
No, he’ll use skim milk on Cherrios.
SupremeZeus
This signing is nice, but it doesn’t move the needle much. The window is now, O’s have to go all in at some point, no? Just very risk averse. Fortis fortuna adiuvat.
BurnerK
The why not move of the day.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I must not see these ads at all. Now I know why someone was mentioning Clase earlier. I guess I’m still confused.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t use the app. Maybe it’s only on the app.
dirtyjog
Suganoz nutz
kylegocougs
Deep breath, there is no ethical consumption or advertising
tikiagedola
I didn’t even read it. What does clase think of this
HalosHeavenJJ
Really intriguing guy. Pretty nice price.
I always root for pure pitchers to do well. Execs are too in love with the radar gun nowadays. The art of pitching is being lost.
King Floch
I was already looking forward to seeing how Sugano would do in MLB, but now I get to see it up close and personal. Maybe it ends up being a catastrophe, but it will be interesting to watch nonetheless.
Mmm
I think Verlander and sherzer are perfect for this team. One year 25-30 mil each? They have money to spend but doesn’t lock them in long term.
VA/NC Orioles
I’m certainly aligned to either of these guys coming to Baltimore. That is the kind of veteran move that gets teams over the top IMO
WSoxAllenFan
When are we gonna admit the Asian pitchers are hugely successful, especially in their initial break-in period to American baseball? So why wouldn’t you sign him for a year? He shoulda got $20M!
Wagner>Cobb
Seems like an easy process to me…sign top tier Japanese pitchers and open your next season with a 6 man rotation. Helps them transition well and protects injury-prone stateside pitchers (everyone is injury prone now).
YankeesBleacherCreature
There hav been previous iterations of companies like Finlete. Great way to start a Ponzi scheme with zero oversight protection for consumers. Their website also sucks.
Acoss1331
One year for 13 million doesn’t hurt if he doesn’t work out, but with age he might become a crafty pitcher at the MLB level.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Looks like Castillo agent said “Um NO, not Baltimore…”
Pads Fans
Depends on how many shares they sell.
websoulsurfer
He is a good change of pace starter for the Orioles. He has pinpoint control and 6 different pitches. Should fit in well at the back of that rotation for a reasonable price. Good luck to him.
numberoneslayerfan
all this just to get walloped in the playoffs again
Nosferatu Zodd
What this says is hopefully management will be smart and not rush back their TJ pitchers.
Jbigz12
I hope Elias drafts some pitchers this year with all the draft picks we have instead of more LHH OFers.
Sorinotsori
This should be interesting, even as a Yankee fan I’ll be rooting for this guy. Sounds like a true pitcher, my favorites were always el duque, boomer wells, mussina, Jimmy key, etc…
LordD99
Then you’re going to like Freid.
Old York
I guess the O’s aren’t interested in winning during their window. Oh well… I guess the Yankees will cake walk their way to another ALE title.
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Stupid comment, again
Old York
@SewaldSwansonSwoon
If it’s a stupid comment, why did you upvote me? LOL! You know it’s true. O’s will be mediocre in 2025.
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Pressed the wrong button.
Yanks hardly cake walked to the division title this year. Thinking they’ll repeat easily is a fool’s errand. But then again, you are a fool, so that’s easy to square
VermonsterSD
They’re panicking, missing out on Burnes now too. Can’t wait for the Padres to sweep in and get a haul for Cease……C’mon Kjersted++++
andym-2
For Orioles fans’ sake, I hope this isn’t their highlight of FA season
Jim Carter
The Orioles continue their thrifty ways. What new ownership?
Wagner>Cobb
Still can’t believe he didn’t sign when he was posted going into his age 31 season. I wonder if it was because we were still firmly in the throes of big-fastball demand whereas now it seems like teams might be a little more open to low-ish velo/high pitchability candidates.
Wagner>Cobb
They need to run a 6-man. Trade for an established TOR-ish type arm like Luis Castillo or sign a guy like Manaea or Flaherty. Let the collection of younger guys compete after that. The 6-man gets the most value out of Sugano and helps manage Grayson’s innings. Both guys are key to the success of the rotation though, and injuries to either would be near-catastrophic.
1. Castillo/Manaea/Flaherty
2. Eflin
3. Grayson
4. Sugano
5. Kremer/Rogers/Suarez/Povich/McDermott
6. Kremer/Rogers/Suarez/Povich/McDermott
If they don’t add a Castillo or a Flaherty or a Manaea type, then the rotation will likely not be sufficient to get back to the playoffs unless Grayson takes a quantum leap forward to what his potential says he can be. The AL is weak, but teams like Minnesota and Texas are good bets to bounce back. You can’t count Seattle out either with their elite rotation and a full season of J-Rod, Arozarena, and Robles possibly improving the offense. The Yankees are in no danger of losing the division, so the wild card route is really all that is available to Baltimore.
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Robles… lol
Wagner>Cobb
He put up 3 WAR in 77 games with an OPS+ of 155 once he joined Seattle. It might be the ideal setting for him.
Thornton Mellon
Wagner
I actually thought about a 6 man too, given that the 4 you listed at 5/6 are fairly interchangeable at that level until someone emerges (my guess is Povich given his September). The # of off days early in the year should allow for the best 5 to make their case.
I peg Sugano as a 4/5 level starter with a 3 ceiling.
The rotation needs an ace, as I say every year it makes the entire rotation better. I would prefer Burnes of course, and 2nd choice Castillo being Eflin level or better with 3 years of control. Not as high on Manaea, Flaherty or downward to the Luzardo, etc.
But the point highlighted about the rotation being thin, if they have any more injury issues like last year its disastrous to the rotation. If TBD 1, Eflin, or Grayson goes down, that really hurts. The depth in bodies for the Orioles is at the bottom of the rotation, guys who will pitch to a 4+ ERA and don’t have the ability to always give you 5 or 6 solid innings.
Right now without further adds, I have 85-77 and a 50/50 shot at a wild card. I think there are as many as 4 or 5 teams that are in that 83-88 win area. No team has as an obvious deficiency as the Orioles with a #1 starter, and no team improves more by addressing it. If they did, I would go 90 or 91 wins again and wild card favorite/division contender.
I also agree the Yankees have gone and addressed their needs systematically. While no division is a given (injury and weirdness happens) certainly they’re the pre-race favorites.