As Nolan Arenado’s trade market continues to percolate, the no-trade clause in the third baseman’s contract puts Arenado and his camp in the driver’s seat when it comes to determining whether or not he’ll leave the Cardinals. MLB.com’s John Denton reports that Arenado would okay a deal to any of the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, or Red Sox. It isn’t known if these are the only six clubs on what Denton describes as Arenado’s “wish list,” or if Arenado could be amenable to deals to any other clubs in the right circumstances.
Agent Joel Wolfe discussed his client’s situation with reporters (including Denton, Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat, and Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch) today at the Winter Meetings, and implied that Arenado’s list of potential teams is “bigger than you would think.” The chief factor in Arenado’s decision-making is finding “a team that he thinks is going to win now and consistently for the remainder of his career. He wants a team that has the throttle down….that he believes he can jump right in and they’re going to win right now.”
This all being said, Wolfe noted that Arenado is “not going to go just to go,” or “approve and move his family and go play somewhere that would…sidestepping” into a situation no better than his current spot in St. Louis. Wolfe said he and Arenado have been in regular dialogue with Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak, with Mozeliak floating some teams that have already been dismissed as “hard no’s of where he’d prefer not to go.”
Earlier reports indicated that three unknown “mid-market” clubs also had interest in Arenado’s services, so these could be some of the teams Arenado has already vetoed since the six teams on his list are bigger spenders. The Yankees had also been linked to Arenado and Goold reports that the Cardinals were in touch with the Bronx Bombers about the third baseman. As Jones notes, the Yankees seem like a fit on paper given their need at third base and the presence of Arenado’s good friend and old Rockies teammates DJ LeMahieu, but it remains to be seen if the Yankees are still on Arenado’s radar.
New York’s other team could also have an opening at the hot corner depending on how the Mets choose to deploy Mark Vientos, or whether or not the Mets re-sign Pete Alonso or add another big first base bat. The Phillies likewise have an incumbent third baseman in Alec Bohm, but Bohm’s name has been mentioned in several trade rumors as one of the big-league roster pieces Philadelphia is reportedly open to moving to address other needs.
The Red Sox and Padres were more speculatively linked as suitors a few weeks ago, and Goold reports that St. Louis has already been in contact with these two clubs about Arenado. Boston’s interest could hinge on whether or not they’d move Rafael Devers off third base, while Arenado’s own apparent willingness to leave his longtime third-base position might be related to his interest in joining the Padres (as San Diego already has a star third baseman in Manny Machado).
Wolfe addressed his client’s offer of a position change as a way to get in front of any awkward questions from a team’s end on the subject. “The way he phrased it, ‘I’ll play first,’ sometimes [teams] don’t want to ask a player to do that,” Wolfe said. “So he wanted to offer it and say, ‘I’m happy to play first, I can move around and play third.’ Nolan was like, ‘I’ll play shortstop, I’ll do whatever, but I’m not insulted to go play first, and I can win a Gold Glove over there, if that’s what it takes.’ ”
Since Arenado is from Southern California, it shouldn’t be ignored that the Padres, Dodgers, and Angels are all on his approval list, though Wolfe said Arenado has no geographic preference about his next destination. It could be argued that the Angels might be on Arenado’s list solely due to location, as a team coming off nine straight losing seasons hardly seems to match Arenado’s preference for a team ready to win.
A trade to the Dodgers seems off the table, as The Athletic’s Fabian Ardaya and Katie Woo hear from sources that “a deal for Arenado is not a possibility the organization has considered.” L.A. general manager Brandon Gomes made a point of saying Monday that Max Muncy was going to remain as the team’s regular third baseman, and a position switch wouldn’t much help Arenado find a spot amidst the crowded Dodgers infield.
It remains to be seen if any of Arenado’s preferred teams may or may not want to bring the eight-time All-Star into the fold, though even in the event of mutual interest, there’s also the matter of working out a trade that is also acceptable to the Cardinals. Other complications include Arenado’s age (he turns 34 in April), his declining power over the last two seasons, and the $74MM ($10MM covered by the Rockies) in salary owed over the remaining three years of his contract.
tikiagedola
Stop acting like you call the shots, Mr. Extremely overrated product of Coors field. You have no value
BITA
Nathan Eovaldi just got 3 years 75 million. Arenado is owed 3 years 64 million from the Cardinals.
I think i would rather have Arenado than Eovaldi.
Earlier in the offseason I thought he had negative trade value. Now I am not so sure probably neutral at this point.
letitbelowenstein
That Eovaldi contract knocked me for a loop. Absurd.
mack22 2
Especially considering Eovaldi’s age
bigben
Look at Sonny Gray’s contract…
uvmfiji
Right now Eovaldi is more valuable than Arenado and it isnt that close.
BITA
Arenado was a 3 win player last year. Eovaldi is a mid rotation starter
C-Daddy
Him having the best season of his career as a Cardinal in 2022 kinda refutes the whole “product of Coors Field” thing.
tikiagedola
If I don’t study for a test and get an A, does that prove I don’t need to study?
laynestaley2002
If you spew out some BS, and it’s 100% untrue, does more explanation on your part make it any less untrue?
Rynoshield
That’s an entirely irrelevant comparison
Chester Copperpot
What? That has nothing to do with anything.
If you say you can only get X at Coors field, but then actually get X at Busch stadium, it kinda of disproves that you can only get X at Coors field.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Yes
Lanidrac
There also the Coors Hangover Effect to account for. As much as Rockie hitters have their offensive stats increased at home, their offensive stats are also depressed by a significant amount in their road games.
avenger65
Maybe they can come up with another useless metric that factors in stats of games played at Coors
yankee766766
C-Daddy…him having his best year As a cardinal in 2022, is somewhat irrelevant. How about comparing that to the years of 2015 through 2021 as a Rockie. And then we could talk about how he has down trended the last two years.
Charlie'sSinging
You don’t think that down trend has anything to do with age? Blaming that on being away from Coors when he put up good numbers his first two years in St. Louis, solid numbers his third, then fell of last year at age 33 is a little short sighted. That’s a very common trend among professional athletes.
Pete'sView
re Coors Effect: Not sure that’s true. If a player plays 81 games at Coors, you can bet the stats are skewered.
As for pitchers, hard to get an “ace” at that altitude unless he’s a dominant ground ball pitcher. Many fine pitchers have failed there.
Tim Stewart
big troll- Hampton. He was paid well (the highest paid free agent ever at the time) He was a disaster in Coors.
neurogame
Ubaldo Jiménez threw the only no-hitter in Rockies history. He had an incredible 2010 season where he won 19 games (12 wins were at Coors), pitched +200 innings, had +200Ks, and had 4 complete games (one at Coors). He also gave up only 10HRs in 33 starts. His 214Ks were 3rd in the NL, so he wasn’t a ground ball pitcher.
neurogame
Ubaldo Jiménez threw the only no-hitter in Rockies history. He had an incredible 2010 season where he won 19 games (12 wins were at Coors), pitched +200 innings, had +200Ks, and had 4 complete games (one at Coors). He also gave up only 10HRs in 33 starts. His 214Ks were 3rd in the NL, so he wasn’t a ground ball pitcher.
Unfortunately, he finished 3rd in Cy Young because Adam Wainwright and Roy Halladay, the winner, had better stats. They were an incredible top 3.
BlooperDisbeliever
He can’t tell the Cardinals how to use him, but he’s still an elite defender and at least an average bat. When it comes to where he nay go he 100% controls what happens. Not sure what your vendetta against Arenado is about.
MarTang
Very much Wrong
His present in the locker room is a Biggie and if the Cardinals pick up 5 million of his salary a bargain for whoever trades for him—He’s a Winner trapped on a losing team—Being a Cardinal Fan it’s hard saying losing team ♂️
17dizzy
I agree about hard to mention on a losing team when you’re a die hard Cardinals Fan.
However —— with Mozeliak’s mindset over the past few years ….. the Cardinals will continue to be a Laing team as long as Mozeliak remains in the organization.
Personally —- I hope Arenado does not let Mozeliak off the hook for his $30 Million salary for Mozeliak’s last season!!!
Arenado could deal with Bloom in a more Truthful manner in 2026.
eatonculo
Who says Arenado is a winner? He’s only played a few playoff games. He’s been a great/good/decent player on many, many bad/decent/good teams.
The Cardinals had to bring in Matt Carpenter and Brandon Crawford to mentor young players last year because Arenado and Goldschmidt ARE NOT LEADERS.
THEY ARE NOT WINNERS.
Both players may be good people. They may be good additions to teams with existing stars, but neither has the capacity to lead any team. Never have. Never will.
Wagner>Cobb
“THEY ARE NOT WINNERS”
What does that even mean? Its a team sport, no single player can carry a team to a title. It has literally never happened and will never happen. The game simply doesn’t allow for it.
The Cardinals definitely had problems with Goldy and Arenado underperforming, but they weren’t the only issue on that team.
eatonculo
They were paid to be the No. 3 and No 4 hitters for the Cardinals. They were paid to lead the franchise to the playoffs.
Sure, there were plenty of other problems, but Arenado and Goldschmidt didn’t lead this team. In fact, they both shied away from it!
Arenado has played 8 playoff games in 14 seasons. Goldschmidt has played 23 playoff games in 14 seasons.
These guys are both complimentary players. Always have been. They’ve never led a team deep into the playoffs.
I hope they both get a ring somewhere, but it’s not natural for either player to lead a team anywhere but home in October. They both require stars around them.
Samuel
Wagner>Cobb;
Winners are teammates that play baseball correctly on the field. They don’t take shortcuts. They don’t do dumb things. They come up big in game situations to change the game momentum. They set a tone for their teammates, and at times will make comments to players that are jaking it….Sort of like: “We don’t do that around here”.
There are things only players can do that the manager and coaches cannot. The Cardinals were known for having a core of leaders for decades. Mozeliak (like most of the posters on here) think analytics coming out of the FO to the manager solves everything. All teams use analytics, some more strongly than others. But the successful teams know that the players have to police themselves, and their FO’s try to bring in 4-5 players that can lead.
eatonculo
Exactly. The only thing these guys did to “lead” the team was tell the media, “We have too many young players on this team.”
When Albert, Yadi, and Wainright retired, they failed as leaders AND as players.
Wagner>Cobb
@Eatonculo: They were paid to be the 3-4 hitters and aside from last year, they delivered on those expectations every year.
What does leading look like to you that you aren’t seeing? How do you quantify that? Playoff games played is a terrible metric for a variety of reasons though.
“They both require stars around them”…of course they do! Every player does. Everyone says Ohtani is the GOAT and even he needs stars around him to win that title this year.
baseballpun
The Cardinals would not have been a World Series threat under any circumstances last year, but they won 82 games and the reason they missed the playoffs is because Goldy (especially) and Arenado did not come close to performing up to their contracts/standards and were not the middle-of-the-order bats they were expected to be.
Wagner>Cobb
@Samuel: If there’s one thing you can’t criticize Goldy and Arenado for, its “playing baseball correctly” and never taking short cuts. I’d be interested to hear how you’ve arrived at those criticisms for them.
The Cardinals playoff failures in the Goldy-Arenado era are due to them not building genuinely deep teams. Everyone knows they were top-heavy offensively and did not have playoff calibre rotations. Yes, performances were lacking at times, but that’s a reality. Is Judge suddenly “not a leader” because he had a bad postseason?
All I’m hearing is grouchy fan cope that throws the players under the bus in favor of Mozeliak, which is incredible since Mo is universally understood to be one of the main problems in the org. His half-measures in team building always kept the team from having the firepower needed to take the next step.
Wagner>Cobb
Delusional fan cope. You have no idea what its like their locker room, none of us do. Assuming that they’re wrong or failures is just cope.
Wagner>Cobb
You’re surprised that aging players saw a regression in performance? Really? Everybody knows that when you give a post-30 player a long term deal that they will regress at some point. Ideally you get 4 good seasons out of them. Goldschmidt’s aging curve has been far better than the average player.
Charlie'sSinging
Since it didn’t give me an option to reply directly to eatonculo, I’ll just say it means he wasn’t paying attention. Goldy is very soft spoken, but it was well documented that he was constantly coaching his teammates on how to gain small advantages in every situation. He absolutely improved those around him. As for Arenado, I hadn’t heard such stories, but he certainly brings a fire the rest of the team lacked. Goldy also has a career .909 OPS in the post season. I’ll be the first to admit he disappeared at some crucial times against the Phillies in 2022 and the Nats in 2019, but he also had some huge ABs in the other three series he played with the Cards. We tend to remember the bad for individual players when our team is struggling.
Wagner>Cobb
@Charlie’sSinging:
Excellent points. I’ll add that the Cardinals went from having infield defense as a major weakness to being one of the best teams in the league once they had Goldy at 1B.
TB Sox NY
I am curious if a team’s win total is completely based on one’s presence in a locker room.If a team needs a hitter,they need a third baseman and a veteran.He checks all three off those boxes.Does he have to hit .300 and hit 30 homeruns?
LongTimeFan1
@tikiagedola,
With full no trade rights he is indeed calling the shots of where he’s willing to be traded.
And BTW, he’s a future Hall of Famer with or without Coors. One of the greatest fielding 3rd basemen ever – his movements a thing of beauty who also hits for power home and road – just a 25 homer difference. in 12 seasons which averages out to around 2 per year.
And the Cardinals extended him because of his value to them. Now they’re cost-cutting and retooling/rebuilding. I question your baseball I.Q., which seems to have taken back seat to some sort of grievance that seems personal.
Dad
I will jump in here.He should have been traded last year, he’s IS a product of Coors field, just like Tulowitzki was.
He is a great defender, and a lifter of low fastballs. And lots of warning track power!
Lanidrac
He’s also now in his mid-’30s. In his first two years with the Cardinals, he had just as much power as he did with the Rockies.
Wagner>Cobb
He is not a product of Coors. His numbers were good-excellent every year in STL except last year.
Charlie'sSinging
He IS an athlete who is aging, and whose all out style of play is contributing to a very natural otherwise age-induced decline. The guy would have been a perennial all star anywhere he played over his first 10 years or so. I’m not sure why people discount his age when discussing his performance over the last year and a half or so.
thebirds
He does call the shots though? He has a no trade clause which allows him to. Is that all you needed to hear, or?
eatonculo
Exactly. I’m surprised his list includes six teams this time around.
Confortoismyspiritanimal
Except for the simple fact that he has a full no trade clause and does get to pick what team he can play for
Dad
I’m going to agree with you, he’s a great defender with warning track power away from Coors. They should’ve traded him before he was exposed.
seamaholic 2
Umm … he has two 30+ HR seasons as a Card, including the best season of his career. He’s not a Coors product (as a Rockie his splits were unusually even) he’s just declining fast.
Lanidrac
Then how do you explain 2021 and 2022? He simply started to decline due to age starting in 2023.
avenger65
seamaholic: That’s why he should go to a team that just needs a glove-first third baseman and an offense that can cover his fading bat.
Charlie'sSinging
Coors doesn’t inflate HRs. It inflate BA. Guys tend to hit as many or sometimes more HRs away from Coors as they hit at Coors. They do not tend to hit for as high of average though.
Rynoshield
He has a no trade clause. Value or no that means he calls the shots
letitbelowenstein
Couldn’t a product of Coors field do as well at Fenway Park? Probably be Mike Lowell 2.0
Pete'sView
“The chief factor in Arenado’s decision-making is finding “a team that he thinks is going to win now and consistently for the remainder of his career. He wants a team that has the throttle down….”
The Angels?!!!!
BITA
I would be very surprised if he approved a deal to the Angels. And I think the Yankees are the best fit for him i would be surprised if he wouldn’t accept a trade there. Padres just don’t make sense they have Machado. Phillies maybe but probably not they have Bohm they don’t need him. Red Sox maybe but they would need to move Devers off of 3b and his agent was talking like that would be a problem.
Suitcase Simpson
he’s from orange county. if he can’t play somewhere to win a world series then he wants to go back home.
BITA
The whole point of trading him is he wants to play for a winner. He’s intense I don’t think he wants to go to the Angels.
terry g
He’s stated he would be okay being traded to the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, or Red Sox. It’s up to the team to decide if they can match up with those teams.
He hasn’t asked to be traded this time. The last time he wanted to go to a completive team. Who knows if that’s still true. I would guess not since one of the teams is the Angels.
seamaholic 2
Come on. Of course he demanded a trade.
Charlie'sSinging
He’s from there, and he knows they’ll spend money. Better at home for a team that will spend than stay in St. Louis for a team that won’t spend. Easy choice for him.
BITA
Lol
The Angels spend like idiots. Heck they already spent a ton of money on a 3b in Rendon. The Angels are an embarrassment of a franchise.
Charlie'sSinging
Again, better to be home for a team that spends, whether idiotically or not, than be in St. Louis for a team that doesn’t spend. It doesn’t make any sense for him to stay in St. Louis to lose when he could do that at home and at least have a slight chance the idiots hit on one of their signings.
BITA
The Angels are terrible. The Cardinals have a chance at a decent season in 2025. The Angels do not.
Aussie_dodger
I honestly don’t want him.
I admire him and think he’s a great player, but he’s at back end of his career. I don’t think he fits.
Muncy might not be great but I know he means so much to the club house.
BITA
Muncy is good and all but I would take Arenado over Muncy. But I don’t think it’s worth the effort to make a deal for the Dodgers. Muncy is a good player.
rct
Muncy will make $14 million next season with no long term commitment. He had more WAR than Arenado in half a season and a 141 OPS+. Give me Muncy over Arenado any day of the week.
BITA
Muncy only played half the season. I will take Arenado eventhough I don’t think it’s worth the effort to make a deal.
rct
I know he only played half the season. He was still worth more than Arenado, who played the full season. Arenado’s bat is seriously declining and he costs a lot more money and has another year on it. Give me the better, cheaper player that you don’t have to give up anything to acquire.
BITA
Fangraphs has Arenado at 3.1 Muncy 2.4.
Arenado took bad at bats last year. I don’t think it’s a physical issue I think a good hitting coach could fix him.
I don’t think the acquiring team would have to give up much of anything to get him. I think his value is basically neutral at this point. So just take the salary or Cardinals pay some and get prospects.
El Kabong
Why would a winning team like the Dodgers take on the salary of a neutral-value player? Their goal is to compete for another championship, not bail out the Cardinals.
BITA
Do you understand what neutral value means?
It means he’s basically worth his contract. So the Dodgers would take on his contract just like they would sign a free agent.
Charlie'sSinging
I do think his hitting coach stunk, and he could absolutely have somewhat of a rebound. That said, he is 33 and going to be 34 in April, and his style of play has been hard on his body. Most of his decline is because of that, not because of coaching or ballpark.
SFGRab
The chief factor in Arenado’s decision-making is finding “a team that he thinks is going to win now and consistently for the remainder of his career. He wants a team that has the throttle down….that he believes he can jump right in and they’re going to win right now.”
The Angels? Hope he has no GM aspirations after his playing career is over.
BITA
If it comes down to throttle that gives the edge to the Red Sox since they are full of it.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Complete theory on my part-and more from reading some of the comments than the article..
The Angel’s seem more like a fallback if none of the other teams want him, or can’t come to agreement with the Cards on compensation. As a few people have said, he’s from there. And he’s also nearing the end of his career, so why not play close to home for a bit if the ring chasing thing doesn’t work?
eatonculo
It’s amazing how people just take everything they read at face value. People are too stupid to realize there is an obvious pecking order. The Angels are only on that list because it’s close to home.
avenger65
AlBundy…: Maybe the fact that the Angels added some promising mid-tier players is tempting him. Still, they seem to be in the middle of a rebuild so that takes away from the contending part. I don’t think playing back home has a lot to do with it since he listed some east coast teams. A lot of players are on teams not close to home. Still, it is peculiar that he would add the Angels to his list.
Charlie'sSinging
The Angels are on the list because it is home, and they are at least willing to spend. In St. Louis, he’s far from home, and the team is flat out saying that they’re unwilling to spend. It’s all relative. If the choice comes down to staying in St. Louis or going to the Angels, the choice is easy. He’s going home.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Avenger-thats why I said they seem more like a fallback if contenders don’t pursue or complete a deal. If he can’t get to a team with a legit shot at winning, then he’ll go home. Doesn’t seem that peculiar at all to me.
SFGRab
That actually makes a lot of sense.
DonOsbourne
Lots of contradictions in this report. Someone is playing games.
eatonculo
They quote the agent, so …
seamaholic 2
Yes. He quite obviously demanded a trade and the Cards will take a bag of rocks for him in the end, but are trying to persuade teams he didn’t.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Asking for a trade in baseball doesn’t really mean anything. Can’t force a team to trade you. Play any BS games and no other team will want you.
Charlie'sSinging
He is not demanding a trade at all. He’s saying that if they can make a deal with one of those six teams, he’d take it. Otherwise, he’d rather stay in St. Louis. They clearly wanted the list to be bigger, and he said no, he’d rather stay than go anywhere but those six teams. That’s definitely not “demanding a trade”.
Wire to wire 2024
So basically he’s gonna be a dodger
rct
Vientos at 1B and Arenado at 3B would be a downgrade for the Mets.
Using their 2024 stats:
Vientos 2024 WAR (extrapolated to a full season) – 4.5
Alonso – 2.6
Arenado – 2.5
So a combination of Vientos/Alonso is more valuable than a combination of Arenado/Vientos, and that’s not even including that Vientos’s value would be blunted by the move to 1B. Why trade a prospect and pay Arenado a ton of money of the next two years when you could just re-sign Alonso? Or sign Christian Walker? Can’t imagine the Mets have interest here.
BITA
I think assuming Vientos can outproduce Arenado in 2025 is a big assumption. And I think Alonso is going to get a huge contract. Walker is probably looking at a contract similar to whst Arenado is owed(3 years 64).
rct
“I think assuming Vientos can outproduce Arenado in 2025 is a big assumption.”
What? He literally just did by a sizeable margin considering that Vientos only played 111 games. I have no idea why you would think that Arenado would be better than Vientos in 2025.
BITA
Vientos was a negative WAR player in 2023. He’s had 1 good season and it wasn’t even a full season. Like I said I wouldn’t go assuming he’s better than Arenado at this point.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
You clearly do not watch the Mets, and Vientos, play.
VonPurpleHayes
Arenado cannot hit anymore. Elite glove. Vientos is the complete opposite.
DonOsbourne
For what it’s worth here is my take on Arenado:
Arenado’s decline over the last two seasons can mostly be explained by his approach at the plate. He is probably the most extreme guess hitter I’ve ever watched play. His success is derived from his ability to correctly anticipate what the pitcher is going to throw. It allows him to cheat just a little by getting his swing started early, get out front, and yank pitches for power.
It’s no coincidence that he had an MVP caliber season in ’22 with Goldy putting up a .404 OBP ahead of him and a resurgent Albert Pujols hitting behind him. Pitchers were forced to pitch Arenado more predictably and he flourished. That protection went away the last two seasons and Arenado declined.
Aging also plays a role because his need to guess correctly in order to get around on the fastball has become more pronounced as he has gotten older. However, if he were placed in a better lineup, I think a team could reasonably expect to see a better version of Arenado than we have seen over the last two years.
metsin4
It’s not an assumption. Anyone that watches the players know Vientos is a far superior player at this point.
Bucket Number Six
I’m not a big believer in lineup protection, but this is a good analysis. Whether Nolan can hold off the decline years is a factor, too.
VonPurpleHayes
Superior hitter. Not necessarily player, but your point is valid. I’d rather take Vientos even though I don’t see him as a 3rd baseman longterm.
Jeremy320
…or it could be explained in that he slipped a disk and also has chronic pain in his throwing shoulder.
metsin4
Why do you think young players always get labeled as a defensive liability at a young age and the stigma stays with them? Vientos only made five errors last year. Granted his range isn’t the top of the league but he showed tremendous gains defensively. Mike Schmidt was considered a below average 3b when he go t to the majors. He worked on it and probably is regarded as the best in history. With the amount of strides Vientos made last year as a third baseman and the work he puts in, I wouldn’t at all be surprised that he won a gold glove in a few years.
Low IQ Angels Management
He’s no Ron Cey.
seamaholic 2
Watched him for years in Denver. He’s not a guess hitter. His success was built on the quickest hands, hips, and eyes in the sport. He could turn on ANY inside fastball, and that’s more or less all he did. That quickness is gone now, and it’s affected his fielding as well.
seamaholic 2
Arenado was drafted as a hitter and defensive liability. He became the defender he was as a pro, and mostly as a Rockie.
eatonculo
I agree, but I think he had gone down a bad road with some coaching the past couple of years. He wanted to ADD “hitting to all fields” to his portfolio and it ended up hurting his ability to pull the ball.
As much as I’d like to see him leave the Cardinals, I could see him getting back to pulling the ball and having a couple of seasons better than this last one.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
for NYM they have to decide IF they believe Vientos best long term position is 1B or 3B and then make moves based off of that
Maybe he could play both but I don’t think it is wise to try to do that.
2025 will only be his second year and now teams have a book on him and will attack his weaknesses and he has to minimize their efforts plus improve defensively which is difficult
Wagner>Cobb
Alonso on a long term deal doesn’t make sense for the Mets. Soto will need to be the full time DH sooner rather than later. Alonso will need that as well.
metsin4
Soto is 26. Being a DH isn’t even close to being on the horizon.
Wagner>Cobb
Have you seen him in the outfield? He’s one of the worst outfielders I’ve seen in recent years. Atrocious.
Jackalopal
I feel like the mets might sign a hitter to replace Alonsos production and then some. Hmm.
They should get Nolan for Peanuts and focus on their rotation
Charlie'sSinging
Resigning Alonso is a much larger investment than taking on Arenado. Alonso will go for more years at a higher AAV. Arenado’s AAV for his remaining years is around $21mil/yr for 3 years, and I think most trade partners assume the Cards will eat $5mil/yr or so, so now you’re looking at a guy you’ll have to pay around $16mil/yr for 3 years. That’s way below what they’d be investing in Alonso.
BCleveland3381
I think if any contending team traded for Arenado, their fan base would all get a collective “pit in the stomach” feeling. He’s been a great player and great 3B, but that decline is legit and he feels like the kind of guy that will fall off a cliff at any time.
BITA
Decline from what his MVP caliber 2022 season? He’s a bit inconsistent. Specifically on offense he was swinging at garbage all last year. I don’t think it was a physical issue he just took poor at bats.
BCleveland3381
Yes, 2023 was a big decline from 2022, and in 2024 he fell off a cliff. Now he’s going into his age 34 season, and the cards are looking for a sucker to take the worst years of the Arenado deal. I wouldn’t touch it. I certainly wouldn’t chalk up last year to him taking “poor at bats”, that’s silly.
walls17
Pitch selection doesnt usually get better with age
VonPurpleHayes
That MVP season was 2 long years ago. Players over 30 don’t get better. His best days are behind him. He’s declined steadily for 2 straight seasons.
BITA
Of course he’s declined for 2 years he was one of the best players in baseball in 2022. What was he supposed to do get better?
Luke Strong
Hard pass. He’s in serious decline and it’s only going to get worse. STL is hoping a sucker will take that contract. His value at this point is entirely in name only.
tikiagedola
1 year makes a serious decline? You would have said that about a lot of former superstars.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Go read the Bsseball Reference for Arenado and stop being aggressively ignorant.
Ol’ Uncle Charlie
@tiki what’s it like to be a passionate blowhard about something you clearly don’t understand (i.e. baseball)? Does your being obtuse and needlessly combative extend to other parts of your life? How flat is the earth in your world?
VonPurpleHayes
2 years.
BITA
Chris Sale was injury prone and in decline. And then he was Cy Young….
VonPurpleHayes
You can’t compare a pitcher with a hitter, but also what Sale did was extremely rare.
BITA
Paul Goldschmidt bounced back at age 35 and went on to win the MVP.
Not only is that a hitter that’s a hitter who played with Arenado on the same team.
VonPurpleHayes
Of course he could bounce back, but it’s foolish for any owner to assume he would in a trade. It’s a huge gamble that decreases Arenado’s value IMO. Still an elite glove though.
I could win the lotto tonight, but it’s foolish to assume I would. Signs are pointing in the other direction with me and Arenado.
BITA
Arenados contract is front loaded. He’s only making 15 million in 2027.
You said he was washed up the other day. He was a 3 win player in 2024. I don’t think you know Arenado very well.
Russell Branyan
Cardinals are a day late and a dollar short on trading him. I don’t understand why he’d be anything but a contender’s last resort.
It’s very unlikely he turns back the clock 2 years, so you’re just hoping he doesn’t fall of further and you have league average starter at a star’s salary.
BITA
The Yankees need a 3b. He’s better than anyone available except Bregman. Arenado was a 3 win player last year just in case you didn’t know that.
Russell Branyan
He’s better than any FA left besides Bregman, yeah, its a terrible 3B FA class. I can think of 4-5 younger 3B that seem like better trade targets.
BITA
Are those guys actually available? Because Arenado definitely is.
Russell Branyan
Probably, yeah
BITA
Who is available?
Russell Branyan
For very likely available of Bohm, and Baty.
In the possibly available Barger, McMahon, 1 of Josh Smith or Jung from Texas, 1 of the myriad of IF from Baltimore, etc etc etc
I’d take just about any of those guys and someone in a addition to someone like Paul Dejong over paying Nolan that salary.
BITA
Bohm is most likely not available
Baty sucks
Smith and Jung not available
DeJong sucks
Russell Branyan
Since when is Bohm not available? Not sure how you would know both Smith and Jung are untouchable.
Charlie'sSinging
His AAV is $21mil/yr for the next three years for anyone paying him. Likely the Cards eat about $5mil/yr of that. That leaves you paying around $16mil/yr, which, sadly, is not a star’s salary in this day and age.
BITA
I am not sure the Cardinals will be paying any of the salary. We will see.
Charlie'sSinging
They’ll pay a percentage if they want a return and to increase suitors. They won’t pay a percentage if they just want to dump him off and get no return. They certainly have the choice to go either way. I don’t think there’s much question they’d pay $5 mil/yr to dump $16 mil/yr and get a halfway decent prospect in return though.
Russell Branyan
21 per is definitely a stars salary, obviously the Cardinals eating money would change the equation
BITA
Is Yusei Kikuchi a star?
Russell Branyan
Is Arenado a starting pitcher? 21 million per would put Arenado neck and neck with Autin Riley for 5th highest 3B AAV, just ahead of Jose Ramirez. I’d qualify both as stars.
Russell Branyan
In the right circumstances I can see a team trading for Nolan, even without STL eating some money, but again, it’s wild to think that a 33yo Arenado coming off 2 relative down years w 3 expensive years left should be anyone’s 1st choice
BITA
Austin Riley and Jose Ramirez signed below market rate extensions. Those 2 aren’t available.
BITA
There are only so many good 3b available. Bregman will be expensive. Moncada is very risky.
Russell Branyan
I will bet whatever that there will be a 3B traded this off-season that finishes within .5 fWAR of Arenado next year.
Charlie'sSinging
While what you said is true, if either Riley or Ramirez were up for a contract today, they’d make more. My wording didn’t make that clear, and that’s fair. We’re at the point where over 60 MLB players make an AAV of 20+ mil/yr. At just under $21 mil/yr, he’d be around the 57th highest paid player in baseball. As my comment stated $16 mil/yr, it’s more fair to point out that would put him around 97th highest paid player in baseball. That’s where I was going with the sad reality of stars’ salaries these days.
Blue Baron
Interesting that it’s the Mets and not the Yankees.
LordD99
The Cards and Yankees already spoke about Arenado, which suggests this list is either an updated version or is incomplete. Likely the latter.
Blue Baron
But the list of 6 excludes the Yankees. Maybe the teams spoke without knowledge of Arenado’s preferences.
Charlie'sSinging
It clearly indicates the list may not be complete. It says those are the six known teams, but there may be others. Yankees would be one of those probable others.
davemlaw
The Mariners could use him and they have the pitching needed for a deep postseason run. If the Cards took back Haniger it’d work. Arenado still has game.
Mehmehmeh
I respect the player for his past excellence and he earned the right to be selective with the no trade clause in his contract. It might be agent BS but the “throttle down” comment made me laugh shortly after I saw LAA listed. Just come out and say “socal would be nice.”
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He only wants to go to a team which will “win right now”, yet the list includes Angels, Red Sox and Phillies ? I don’t think he has been paying attention.
BlooperDisbeliever
Angels have an underrated amount of talent right now, you’d be surprised.
stymeedone
Ill get my magnifying glass. \@-@/
Halofan4life.
I agree, they do got some nice young talent. If they can get the Cardinals to pay some of his salary , why not take a chance on him? He’s better than anyone else on the team at that position. He would be great club house leader and you can probably get him pretty cheap. Then you might have some pieces to make a couple more trades and sign a starting pitcher, which they desperately need.
Low IQ Angels Management
I’ll assume this is sarcasm. If not, you need to visit the eye doctor post haste.
Charlie'sSinging
Did I miss the part where the Phillies aren’t in win now mode?
gold masters
The angels should get him. Rendon can be utility. Wait a minute, rendon is utility, barely.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Rendon has zero utility!
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Great player, but it appears time is catching up with him…fast. It could be a Jose Abreu signing all over again.
BITA
Arenado was a 3 win player in 2024. That’s a good player.
Giant Willy
Dodgers will get him
El Kabong
The Dodgers’ priorities are adding an outfielder and shoring up the bullpen. They don’t need Arenado or have a spot for him to play.
Giant Willy
The dodgers will get him anyway
WadeBoggsWildRide
Ha!
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
You know. Crazier things have happened.
Machado use to be to a pretty decent ss in his own right.
Do the padres move machado to ss to accommodate arenado and his defense?
3B arenado, SS Machado, 2B Bogaerts.
Do the padres try Arenado at 2B?
3B Machado, SS Bogaerts, 2B Arenado.
Feel like sticking him at 1B is just a rerun of Jake Cronenworth and a waste of his talents from a defensive stand point.
Simm
First, machado’s days at short are gone. His body isn’t the same as it was.
Second, Arenado wouldn’t play second before cronenworth did.
If the Padres traded for him he would play first and prob some games at 3rd when manny didn’t. Not that it matters, cards are trying to shed his salary and the padres aren’t the team that is taking it on. They don’t lineup at all.
Dan oleson
Warren and a lower level B prospect should get it done for the Yankees…
LordD99
Yankees might be concerned they’d be acquiring Donaldson 2.0.
brucenewton
They aren’t on his list.
LordD99
Update per Jack Curry. The two teams already talked and the Yankees don’t see him as a fit.
Charlie'sSinging
The article states those are the “known” six teams, but other teams may still be in the mix and approved by Arenado. The article does NOT say those are the only six teams he’d approve. It is poorly written though, so definitely understand the confusion.
Ozzie Canseco
Mark Polishuk, don’t use a comma before “or”
Lindor's Bodyguard
You should consider paying the $3 per month for mlbtr, instead of complaining about commas.
Ozzie Canseco
Or just learn basic punctuation if you are going to be a journalist. The news, team, and readers are appreciated. Cheers from MLB.com
josiahdd
I don’t think having his good friend DJ there makes much of a difference since one of the main reasons the Yankees would get him would be to ditch DJ. Duh.
VonPurpleHayes
Not all 6 want him..
stymeedone
Do any of the six?
Simm
Perhaps not any of the 6.
30 Parks
Boston is a good fit for Arenado – Mike Lowell vibes.
metsin4
He thinks the Angels are more of contenders then the Yankees now.
Old York
@metsin4
After seeing the embarrassing performance in the WS, who would want to wear pinstripes? I’d rather wear the Angels uniform.
LordD99
The Yankees was his primary target but they passed. His agent is now trying to create interest in the market.
The Angels as a full “throttle down” team is humorous. I’m sure Artie is loving the idea of paying over $50MM next year to have Arenado and Rendon man 3B.
Old York
@LordD99
All of them are a bunch of crybabies.
Soto crying about not getting a private suite for the family, Arenado crying about each team he plays for and Rendon crying about having to actually play baseball.
All three should be DFA’d and go play in Korea or Mexico. Those aren’t professional baseball players. At least Mike Trout is humble and doesn’t make excuses or cry about frivolous things.
Charlie'sSinging
The article didn’t say that. It just said the Angels are one of the six known teams he would accept a trade to. The article also said there could be more than six teams on his trade list, which could certainly include the Yankees. Besides, it’s clear that the point of the Angels is to go home. Better to take the chance losing at home on a team who may actually spend money than losing in St. Louis on a team that won’t spend money.
cpdpoet
Must admit my coffee tastes a bit better hearing he’ll approve a deal to the Phillies. Wonder the / a return will look like?
Time for a second cup to ponder…
User 3716094111
Awww. I was counting on him wanting to play for the Pirates. What a shame
davengmusic
OK James Harden
SupremeZeus
Any “approved” team that wants him just needs to wait the Redbirds out. Nolan is forcing a trade and you will get him for nothing. However even nothing might be an overpay for a rapidly declining player that has forced his way out of every team he’s played for.
Charlie'sSinging
He isn’t forcing a trade at all. The Cardinals want to trade him to shed salary, and he’s saying he will only accept that if it’s to certain teams, otherwise he’d rather stay in St. Louis.
David Sliski 2
Does anyone know how the deferred money would work in a contract trade like this? Looks like there is a little less than 50m to be paid over the next 15 years or so. That could be a big reason why someone doesn’t want to trade for him
Charlie'sSinging
It’s all between the trading teams. It’s part of the negotiation.
Low IQ Angels Management
If his goal is a world series ring why on earth would the Angels be on his “wish list”? These writers are high.
Charlie'sSinging
Not at all. Writers are providing what was given to them, and no doubt Arenado would rather be back home on a middle of the road team than be in St. Louis on a middle of the road team. Add to that the fact the Angels are actually willing to spend, and the Cards aren’t, and choosing Anaheim over St. Louis is a no-brainer for Nolan.
Low IQ Angels Management
Angels aren’t a “middle of the road” team, they are one of the bottom five teams and franchises in MLB. Further, these same writers indicated a week ago that Nolan requested a trade to a playoff bound team. If you think these goofs don’t make this stuff up for views, then you are very naive.
Charlie'sSinging
100% fair statement on the Angels. They stink. My point was more that neither team is going to win, so better to be home and not win than far from home and not win. There are hundreds of click-bait articles out there on any number of MLB stories. I quit clicking on most of them long ago. My other point is that this is a sourced article, and not one that someone is just making up as click bait, like many others. These are reputable Cardinals beat reporters being cited, plus the agent talking directly. Can the agent be making things up to stir competition? Absolutely. But that’s a lot different than the writers just making it up themselves, which does happen very often.
Salzilla
I think other than the down power, it wasn’t that steep of a decline as folks are trying to point out. The RBI’s were also down, but that partial on the HR dip and Cards in front of him. He had a slightly better average and got on base more this year than last and hit roughly the same amount of doubles. I think he can contribute at a decent level still and depending on the team it can possibly revitalize him.
baseballpun
His OPS+ was 101 last year. He’s a league-average hitter and an above-average (probably no longer elite) defender.
Salzilla
To me, OPS+ is an inexact science. I’d don’t rate with intangible metrics.
baseballpun
He could hit better if he’s seeing better pitches if there’s more production in front him.
If he wants out and someone will take his contract entirely, go ahead and trade him. But I’d rather keep Arenado than eat some of the contract. He’s not blocking anyone on the Cardinals right now. I don’t want to see Gorman as an everyday 3B.
Charlie'sSinging
I understand your last sentence, but in the Cards mind, they have Gorman or Walker who could be put at 3B, the latter of which would get walker out of the OF, where he doesn’t belong. He is blocking Saggese more than anyone in the end though, and he could be a bright spot next year if he gets playing time.
ArianaGrandSlam
Sure he will go to the Angels. Angels left the team long ago.
NoSubstitute
If Arenado is willing to consider the Angels, then he should be willing to consider the A’s. They’re desperate for a third baseman and need to spend another $50M or so to avoid the player’s union’s wrath and keep that sweet revenue sharing cash coming in the door. Just offer Arenado lots more money. Hey, it worked for Severino.
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
Thank you for not “allowing” Toronto on your list. Tooo much $ to eat for me for what will assuredly be a declining player and not the best club house guy.
Hard to walk with four balls
Washed up… no thanks
wileycoyote56
Why would he go to the Angels? If he wants to win I’d steer clear of them for sure
Johnnie Cochran
Chris Landers from Fansided just claimed that Juan Soto and Manny Machado didn’t get along when he was in San Diego.