Juan Soto is officially a New York Met. The team announced the signing on Wednesday evening after the star outfielder passed his physical. He’ll be introduced in a press conference tomorrow at Citi Field. Soto shattered contract records as the Winter Meetings began on Sunday evening, agreeing to a stunning 15-year, $765MM deal. Soto would be able to opt out of the deal after the 2029 season, though the Mets can prevent that by triggering an escalator that raises his salaries by $4MM annually from 2030-39. If they do so, he’d make at least $805MM over the next decade and a half.
Soto receives a whopping $75MM signing bonus. That’ll be followed by successive $46.875MM salaries for the first two seasons. He’ll make $42.5MM in 2027 before the salaries jump back to $46.875MM for 2028-29. The deal calls for $46MM annually for the final ten years. After the 2029 season, the Mets will need to decide whether to push Soto’s salaries to $50MM per season. If they decline, he could opt out of the remaining decade and $460MM. Soto also gets a full no-trade clause and escalators based on his MVP finishes.
Brokered by the Boras Corporation, the 26-year-old Soto’s deal is the largest contract in the history of professional sports, blowing away not only the $461MM net present value of the deal Shohei Ohtani landed with the Dodgers last winter but even the $700MM sticker price Ohtani signed for before accounting for that deal’s record-breaking deferrals. Soto’s $51MM average annual value eclipses the record for MLB players, which was previously held by Ohtani, by a significant margin as well.
Soto is the game’s first true $500MM player, $600MM player, $700MM player, and $50MM-per-year player, all in one epic contract. The deal calls to mind Boras’ ten-year, $252MM contract with the Rangers for Alex Rodriguez 24 years ago, announced at the Winter Meetings at the same Anatole Hotel in Dallas this one figures to be.
The Mets weren’t the only team willing to go to record-setting lengths to land Soto, as Heyman reports the Yankees’ final bid for the slugger clocked in at $760MM over 16 years. MassLive’s Sean McAdam, meanwhile, reports that the Red Sox offered Soto $700MM over 15 years. Each of those deals would have shattered all expectations entering the offseason; MLBTR predicted a 13 year, $600MM contract for Soto as part of our annual Top 50 MLB Free Agents list.
The Soto bidding was long believed to be the first true litmus test on how Mets owner Steve Cohen, the wealthiest in the sport, would proceed in a bidding war for a must-have player. The sale from the Wilpon family to Cohen was finalized just over four years ago, and while we’ve seen the Mets spend aggressively along the way, they’ve yet to truly flex their full financial might in this manner. The Mets did not pursue Aaron Judge when he was a free agent two offseasons ago, nor did they seriously pursue Ohtani last winter. They were involved in Yoshinobu Yamamoto’s market, reportedly even offering the same $325MM guarantee he received in Los Angeles, but the West Coast Dodgers were typically perceived to have a geographic advantage there.
With regard to Soto, the stage was set for a Yankees-Mets bidding war — with presumptive interest from other teams — the minute Soto was traded from San Diego to the Bronx last December. In the end, the outcome that Mets fans have pined for since Cohen bought the club and that Yankees have feared since Soto hit the market proved true: Cohen refused to be denied, putting forth an offer that even the most aggressive prognosticators wouldn’t have envisioned entering the offseason.
Cohen’s purchase of the Mets created enough unease among other owners that during the last wave of collective bargaining negotiations, a fourth tier of penalization was added to the luxury tax setup. Teams exceeding the tax threshold by more than $60MM would be taxed at an 80% rate in year one, a 90% rate if exceeding that mark for a second straight season and a whopping 110% rate for a third straight offense. Colloquially referred to as the “Cohen Tax,” that penalty was ultimately more of a speed bump than a true roadblock for the Mets. They’ll be a third-time payor in 2025 — and presumably for years to come thereafter, thanks largely to this contract.
It’s not quite as basic as saying Soto’s contract itself will be taxed at 110% (that’d be a $56.1MM annual hit), but he’ll naturally thrust the Mets into the Cohen Tax threshold on a near annual basis, assuming the Mets surround him with other high-end players. They’re already paying Francisco Lindor and Brandon Nimmo annual salaries of $34.1MM and $20.5MM, respectively, through at least 2030. RosterResouce projects that the Mets’ luxury obligations now sit just north of $251MM.
That’s “only” $10MM over the $241MM threshold, but with Soto now in the fold there’s no reason to expect they’ll let up. The club still seems likely to make a corner infield addition, whether that be a reunion with Pete Alonso or perhaps the addition of a third baseman who could allow Vientos to move off of the hot corner going forward. Additionally, the Mets are known to be in the market for at least one more starting pitcher after previously adding Clay Holmes and Frankie Montas to their rotation alongside incumbent starters Kodai Senga and David Peterson. It also wouldn’t be a surprise to see the club target relief help to supplement a bullpen that saw a number of key pieces including Phil Maton, Drew Smith, and Brooks Raley depart for free agency.
The Mets will have plenty of resources with which to make those additions. Even after Soto’s record-breaking deal, they’re still roughly $95MM away from last year’s $336MM payroll, and the aforementioned $251MM luxury ledger is more than $100MM shy of last year’s $358MM figure. Historic as the Soto agreement is, it’s more of a launching point than a capstone with regard to what will be a precedent-shattering offseason under Cohen and president of baseball operations David Stearns.
Soto’s free agency has been one of the most anticipated in MLB history. The phenom has seemingly been destined for a record-breaking deal ever since he declined a $440MM extension offer from the Nationals during the 2022 season. Given the $54MM Soto went on to earn in his last two arbitration years, the Nationals’ offer ultimately equated to $386MM for 13 free agent years, a figure that Soto nearly doubled tonight. Soto’s prescient decision on the Nationals’ offer prompted a trade to the Padres. Already a career 152 wRC+ hitter entering the 2021 season, he’s been even better since then with a .279/.423/.520 slash line that’s been good for a 161 wRC+.
The massive deal secured the Mets one of the most talented hitters in the sport. Soto had a platform season for the ages in 2024 after being traded from the Padres to the Yankees, slashing .288/.419/.569 (180 wRC+) in 157 games while belting 41 homers and walking (18.1%) more than he struck out (16.7%). In an era of increased strikeout rates, it’s not just Soto’s elite power but his otherworldly plate discipline that causes him to stick out from the crowd. He’s recorded more unintentional walks than strikeouts in each of the past five seasons and has led the majors in unintentional walks three times throughout his career.
Soto’s 769 career unintentional walks land him the No. 11 spot on the active leaderboard after just seven seasons in the majors. That sensational batting eye figures to allow Soto to age much better than players who get to their value through elite speed and defense, which surely helped make the Mets (and other interested clubs) more willing to shatter records in order to land Soto’s services. Soto is so good at drawing walks that he has gained notoriety for his manner of taking a pitch, which sometimes prompts the Soto Shuffle.
It’s important to note that Soto made his MLB debut back in 2018 at just 19 years of age, allowing him to reach free agency at the rare age of 26. The best MLB superstars are occasionally paid through the age of 40, which in Soto’s case means the longest contract in MLB history at 15 years. Soto’s youth, plus his Hall of Fame track, make this deal possible.
Soto has accumulated 36.4 Baseball-Reference WAR through the age of 25, which ranks 17th all-time. Mike Trout is the only other active player on that list. Of the 15 others, 12 are in the Hall of Fame, another is a lock to get there in Albert Pujols, and Alex Rodriguez would be in if not for steroid usage. The only reason Soto isn’t ranked higher is his below-average outfield defense, though that was roundly ignored by his free agent suitors given the $700MM+ offers.
One thing Soto has that his Hall of Fame peers did not (aside from free agency rights, of course) is Statcast. Modern-day GMs highly value Statcast metrics demonstrating how hard a player hits the ball, and Soto’s numbers regularly reside in the 99th percentile. It’s key evidence that Soto’s elite offense is sustainable for many years, even if his glovework is less desirable.
It also bears mentioning that the narrative of Soto being a poor defender has become somewhat overstated by his detractors. There’s no getting around the fact that he is a below-average defender on the whole, but he’s not yet reached the point where he’s an unmitigated liability in the outfield — nor do we know when or if he’ll get there. Defensive metrics can vary heavily on a year-to-year basis, but Soto has only had one truly dismal season in the eyes of Statcast and Defensive Runs Saved. And looking at his seven big league seasons on the whole, Soto has been dinged for -15 DRS and -24 Outs Above Average.
On a yearly basis, he’s been somewhere in the range of -2 DRS and -3 OAA. He’s not likely to make any sizable gains, but he ought to be able to play a passable right field for the next several years. He may be lacking in range and doesn’t top the charts in terms of raw arm strength by any means, but Soto’s arm is quite accurate. Over the past two seasons, only Lane Thomas and Ian Happ have more outfield assists. Statcast ranked his throwing value in the 90th percentile of MLB outfielders. Soto might eventually require a move away from the outfield, but he could potentially have a stop at first base before eventually moving to a DH role. Ultimately, if teams thought his defense was as problematic as his most strident critics typically portray it to be, Soto probably wouldn’t have commanded a contract of this sheer magnitude.
Soto is set to enter the prime of his already illustrious career in a Mets uniform. He’ll patrol right field and pair with Lindor to create a frightening one-two punch that should offer the Mets a reasonable facsimile of the unbelievable partnership of Soto and Judge, which helped to carry the Yankees from an 82-80 showing in 2023 to a 94-win campaign and an AL pennant this past season. The Mets, for their part, were far closer to being a top team even before adding Soto; their 2024 season saw the club win 89 games and fight their way into the NLCS, where they fell to the eventual World Champion Dodgers in six games. In addition to Lindor, Soto will be protected in the lineup by the presence of fellow corner outfielder Brandon Nimmo and an intriguing group of youngsters like Mark Vientos and Francisco Alvarez. A reunion with Alonso remains possible, and the Mets will surely explore every avenue of the trade and free agent markets as they look to further augment the lineup.
Now that the load-bearing free agent of the offseason has finally been dislodged, a flurry of activity around the league is expected throughout the Winter Meetings in Dallas this week as free agents and trade candidates alike who had been slowed by Soto’s presence may begin to move. Fellow free agent corner outfielders Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Santander figure to see their markets pick up in a big way now that the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Blue Jays are set to explore their various contingency plans for failing to land Soto.
Other high-priced free agents such as Max Fried, Corbin Burnes, and Alex Bregman could similarly see increased movement with the winter’s top dog no longer in the picture. They’ve all been linked to the Jays, Yankees and Red Sox — to varying extents. Certain high-priced pieces available on the trade market like Cody Bellinger and Nolan Arenado could start seeing additional action in the coming days. Bellinger specifically saw his potential market inextricably linked to the Soto bidding.
The Yankees, in particular, figure to be aggressive after coming up short. They’ve long been expected to be aggressive in their search for impact talent to replace Soto’s production in the event they came up short in a Subway Series bidding war. Hernandez, Bellinger, Burnes and Fried are all among the names who have come up in connection to the Bronx in recent weeks who seem more plausible as targets now that Soto has departed for Queens.
It could be years before we see another free-agent bidding of this nature — possibly decades, if the gap between Alex Rodriguez and Soto is representative of anything. But while the Soto talks have dominated the early stages of the 2024-25 offseason, his eventual decision isn’t a sign of things winding down but rather a catalyst to truly unleash the full scope of offseason drama. The first and most significant domino has fallen, but the offseason is just getting started.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the Mets were signing Soto to a 15-year, $765MM deal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported that the deal did not contain deferred money and could push beyond $800MM with escalators. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal was first to report the $75MM signing bonus. Joel Sherman of the New York Post was first to report the opt-out, while ESPN’s Jorge Castillo reported the opt-out override. Tim Healey of Newsday was first with the no-trade protection. Heyman reported the salary breakdown.
Rumor Shill
Wow
letsgooakland123
Largest contract in pro sports history
User 3240017344
…Largest contract in pro sports history…so far
bloomquist4hof
Until the next contract. It can’t be long before some breaks a billion in one of the sports.
gbs42
bloom, it’s going to be a while before someone even approaches this deal.
Led Hoyer
The stars lined up for Soto. A teenager dominated the sport for 6 straight years. It will be hard for anyone to even get a 15 year contract let alone one averaging 50 million dollars. I won’t be shocked if the AAV is broken sooner than later but the totality will be hard to reach.
philharmonica
Gonna be a long time for sure.
Samuel
Party at Juan’s house.
Come as you are.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – In terms of AAV, won’t take long to break this new $51M record.
10 years from now the AAV will be quite reasonable.
gbs42
FPG,
AAV, sure. Total value, it’s gonna be a while.
Mlbfan78
Most likely it will be soccer doing that, I mean the Saudi’s are paying Ronaldo over 200 million dollars per season right now.
Can a soccer player sign a billion dollar deal? Sure looks that way.
bloomquist4hof
That’s what I was thinking, soccer makes sense, but if someone with a talent and age similar ARod circa 2000 comes along could totally see it in baseball.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – That would be the ultimate prediction contest!
I do believe Gunnar could crack $700M 4 years from now, with a 13-year contract.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bloom – The key would be starting their MLB career at Age 19 or 20.
jerseyjohn
Allegedly starting your career at 19. Funny how all the guys who start that young come from the DR. Look for an early decline with Soto.
Rexhudler86
@jerseyjohn. They have solved that problem for the most part. A couple fall thru the cracks. Definitely not as bad as it was. It was atleast 50 players a year getting busted, don’t hear about it anymore.
Blue Baron
jerseyjohn: Dwight Gooden started at 19. He was from Tampa.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rex – Ehhhh no, it’s still a massive problem but just like the PED epidemic MLB turns away from dealing with it.
nytimes.com/athletic/5231394/2024/01/27/mlb-age-fa…
McGrundle
Which is how we knew he was really 19.
Rexhudler86
@fpg. Can’t see the article. Pretty much just saying I don’t see names released like it was in the early 2000’s.
shark stitches
The guy who breaks this deal might not even be born yet.
Pads Fans
A dozen MILB and MLB players have been found to be older than they said they were in the last 24 years. As the article says all the rest were found out before they even signed with a MLB team.
1 every other year in pro ball doesn’t seem to be a “massive” problem.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rex – Just last month a name was released.
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42157614/sources-mlb-finds…
fox471 Dave
Dominated? Really?
BaseballClassic1985
He hardly dominated lol
wtfCheeseheadChuck
He wasn’t 14 when he entered the league..
Pickle_Britches
How much is Ohtani making a year?
gbs42
FPG,
Gunnar is who I thought of as the next player with any chance to approach Soto’s deal.
Maybe Lindor will be ready to move off SS by then, and since Cohen signed him for $341M ($1M more than Tatis’ contract), maybe he’ll pay Henderson $766M over 13-14 years!
bcjd
Why would MLB hide it? The teams signing the players want to know of they’re being defrauded.
Bookbook
You have to be foreign to go professional at 16. Americans aren’t eligible until they turn 18. This is why all the 19 year old major leaguers are from abroad.
Bookbook
$46 million.
Blue Baron
Bookbook: Dwight Gooden and Bryce Harper weren’t.
ChuckyNJ
Largest sportsball contract in Murica, F%&k Yeah!
Johnny Devil
19 going on 25.
brewpackbuckbadg
Should USA families with star 8th graders apply for DR citizenship right now?
(Yes this is sarcasm or mostly sarcasm.)
Baseball Babe
Maybe. What has stood out with Soto from the time he came up with the Nats in ‘18, and I watched most of his home games and followed the coverage of him closely the entire time, is his intelligence. He knew learning English quickly would make him more successful, so he did. He steered clear of off-field trouble. He has always had unusual self confidence. His smile has always had a shark-like element to it. Surely someone as bright as Soto could have figured out how to game the age system. What I don’t understand is that there surely is a test that will prove a person’s actual age. There’s a test for everything these days. Why would teams not find a way to know age for sure?
Fever Pitch Guy
Babe – I suppose they could get Soto’s true age by counting his rings.
But that would require sawing him in half, which would probably affect his hitting.
Maybe a good magician is needed?
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
Horrible, baseless comment/accusation.
Blue Baron
ChuckNJ: What’s your problem?
gbs42
BC85,
Soto has been one of the best hitters in baseball from the moment he entered the majors at age 19. He’s just now entering his prime. He’s been pretty dominant.
gbs42
bcjd, some people just want to believe conspiracy theories.
jerseyjohn
Blue Baron: Yes Gooden did come up at 19 and dominate. He was a phenom. Way too many guys from the DR have jumped to the majors very young and blown up. A country that size with a historical and present day issue with fraudulent documents isn’t just that good at baseball.
jerseyjohn
gbs42: Virtue signal fail. Try searching and reading articles including the NYT article about MLB being aware the DR has started cranking out more age fraud in the last 5-7 years after controlling it for a brief period. Look into the guy the Padres had intent to sign who turned out to be FIVE years older. Soto got paid and he’s great, his country sucks at records, and there’s a huge incentive to lie. P.S some players have also whispered Soto is 3 years older…
gbs42
Johnny,
You just encapsulated Soto’s MLB career to date.
gbs42
Baseball Babe,
You start out with great compliments about Soto then use those compliments to imply he cheated about his age. That’s actually kinda disturbing.
As far as a test, maybe they could slice him in half and count the rings…
gbs42
FPG,
You beat me to the “count the rings” joke. I’m behind with the comments. There are so many…
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
Soto was a phenom similar to Gooden. The DR can have one in a great while just like the U.S. There’s a reason they’re called phenoms – they’re incredibly rare regardless of where they grow up.
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
You using the phrase “virtue signal” says a lot, and I don’t even know which comment you’re referring to.
I’m aware of the age fraud story, but I’m not going to default to the assumption that Soto is lying about his age.
P.S. Which players? Can you cut any sources? Can they support their whispered beliefs?
Fever Pitch Guy
gbs – Yeah closing in on 1,000 comments here, very hard to find posts and clicking on alerts doesn’t take me to the comment either. Frustrating!
There’s gonna be a slew of articles and comments this week, I’m sure I’ll be missing many.
theruns
Yes, let’s all revisit this 7 years from now when Juan Soto turns 32 and his OPS dips the .850’s.
gbs42
the runs,
If anyone could accurately predict any player’s performance 7 years away, they’d be paid quite well by teams.
McGrundle
Joke is on Soto! If he lied about his age to seem younger, he will have to wait longer to draw social security!
BaseballClassic1985
Hahaha @ McGrundle. That was funny
chiefnocahoma1
Time is a flat circle…
Blue Baron
KBOKarl or SammyJ or whatever stupid name you use: Speak for yourself and shove your hostility. I have no problem.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lets – No matter how dumb the contract is, Cohen is committed to winning and I respect him for that.
Can’t wait to hear what John Henry’s final confirmed offer was.
Vlad replaces Polar Bear within the next year.
Hopefully the Mets will give the Dodgers some competition over the next decade, please no dynasties for either team.
lfcredsox
why would you want Henry to spend that ridiculous sum?, it would screw the team over for years, do you enjoy the occasional world series win?
S_man_2014
According to Sean McAdams, it was around 15/$700million
Fever Pitch Guy
Lf – Did I say that? I just want to confirm which rumors were true about how much the Sox offered.
CrackerJack42
Cheap John Henry! $700 million??? What a sick cheap joke of an owner I want him GONE!!! BANISHED TO LIVERPOOL!!! CRAIG BLOOMSLOW CAN GO TOO!!!
StreakingBlue
If he was committed to winning he would build a team not pay the largest contract. Mets are doomed.
hiflew
As opposed to what? Being too good to win the occasional World Series? Winning the Baseball America farm system award? A good run for ANY franchise is winning one World Series every 30 years. Boston is triple that right now. Winning World Series titles is not easy because only one team out of 30 gets it every year.
I will be thrilled if my Rockies win one World Series in the remainder of my lifetime. Enjoy what you have got.
dasit
are you kidding? occasional championships are the dream of every fan
junkwax
That’s actually a very good offer. Can’t fault him if we still lost out after that.
acell10
Fever: didn’t you say that Soto wasn’t staying in NYC because he and his family felt “unsafe”? you keep getting exposed and embarrassing yourself
dannysbigboi
They have a pretty good team and pushed the Dodgers to the world series. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets win the Crochet sweepstakes as well. They going to be competing with the top dogs of the NL and no one can deny that.
FatChance65
FPG—the Red Sox never had any intention of signing him.
Bivouac-Sal
I can
Fever Pitch Guy
Streak – He can do both, like the Dodgers did among others.
Carter86
Clown comment
bwmiller79
That’s bull. He just FD up the whole team. Soto is a nasty SOB, belongs on the Yankees.
Led Hoyer
I’d be all in on Crochet now. He’s is extremely affordable and will just cost prospects. Your right field is locked down for a while.
wallabeechamp
Your dad & granddad would have fallen over themselves for an occasional World Series win.
Are they still around, so you can get their advice on how to deal?
Fever Pitch Guy
Fat – That’s what I’d like to know. Throughout all the negotiating did John Henry ever have the highest offer at any point in time? If he did, I give him credit for driving up the price.
But at the end of the day, total team payroll will determine how committed Henry is to winning now. Let’s see if he lands Burnes, Fried and Santander.
ColoradoSox
If by occasional you mean four times in the last 20 years, yeah, that’s not too bad.
theruns
You can do both with 21 billion dollars lol.
He has already shown his commitment to waiting for the right people, (Stearns) revamping his scouting department, pitching labs, and letting the minor league player development people do their thing undisturbed. Fangraphs now has the Mets at #7 in their farm system rankings.
They worked in a dynamic young player in Vientos this season and have another one developing in Alvarez, in addition to their above average farm system.
He had a mess to clean up because the Wilpons were absolute clowns and laughably incompetent,. he is doing it effectively and methodically.
And the player he pushed chips in for just turned 26, a unicorn in elite Free Agency.
goob
BANISHED TO A POOL OF LIVERS!!!!
philharmonica
LOL @ defending John Henry.
philharmonica
LOLLLL
kingbum
The article said 700 million 15 years seemed fair enough. Cohen did warn everyone he will top everybody by 50 million. I think John Henry was just bidding the Yankees and Mets up, he knew Soto wouldn’t sign that but he also knew the Mets would have to empty those pockets.
Not a clever name
@ hiflew, hats off to Rocky fans that’s got to be tough. I felt the same way in 2008/2009, as a Giants Fan, in 2010 I thought I could die a happy man, by 2017 I was ready to burn the front office in effigy right on pier 39. We get spoiled as fans when we win, sometimes I think it’s better to be on the cusp of greatness than to actually achieve it. Then I look at those three trophies a the park and realize that thought is idiotic.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
While I was hoping the Red Sox would pull it off, for that amount the money can be better used in other areas. It would have been foolish for Henry to go that high. Now it is time for them to start making other big moves.
Blue Baron
StreakingBlue: He and Stearns built a team that came within two games of the World Series. What have you been watching?
Johnny Devil
Nonsense
Fever Pitch Guy
Fletch – You’re not a Red Sox or Yankee fan, so why do you hate Red Sox fans so much?
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2023/sort/cap_total…
Last year the Red Sox were 13th in payroll, coming off a season in which they were 3rd in revenue.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valu…
Proof positive John Henry is a cheapskate until he actually brings payroll in line with revenue. It’s about TEAM payroll, not individual player contracts.
gbs42
StreakingBlue,
Cohen is building a winning team, and signing great players helps accomplish that.
So many people seem to want it both ways: don’t win by spending but teams still should try to win, and people gripe when their team is cheap. Do you want every team to be the Rays, scaping together a good team while trading away players when they get expensive?
If players don’t get paid, owners will just pocket the money. Is that what anyone wants? I sure don’t. The players are what fans want – and pay – to see, not owners sitting in their luxury boxes.
gbs42
Not clever,
Flags fly forever, as they say. I bet just about every Rockies, Padres, Mariners, and Brewers fan would trade several competitive years for one World Series title.
CrackerJack42
FPG: The thing is, I am a Red Sox fan. That’s why I know for a fact you’re a moron. You need to get out of your “spending money = better team” mindset. It’s like you didn’t pay attention to Theo Epstein’s tenure at all.
Would you be happier if they had gone ahead and signed Montgomery and Jose Abreu?
gbs42
Fletch,
There’s certainly a correlation between spending and winning. It’s nowhere close to a perfect correlation, but there’s a reason the Dodgers, Yankees, and other big spenders win more games on average than teams that spend less. It’s not like Theo won titles in Boston and Chicago on shoestring budgets.
Fever Pitch Guy
gbs – Right you are!
In fact to win the 4 championships the Red Sox were 2nd, 2nd, 4th and 1st in MLB team payroll.
theruns
Sometimes, a commitment to winning requires a large contract.
Who knew!!!
Daryl Pauley
Until …
seamaholic 2
No far from it. Largest in U.S.
The McNasty1
You must have graduated at the top of your class.
GooseGoslinGuy
“A million here, a million there — pretty soon you’re talking about real money.” — The late Illinois US Senator Everett Dirksen, on the federal budget.
Led Hoyer
Just insanity.
Bucket Number Six
Cohen has the stupid money.
YourDreamGM
As I said in the previous rumors articles and below in this article, it’s not a dumb contract. Probably smart but at worst it’s fair value.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“Fair Value” ?? Are you kidding ? For a guy who hits, but can’t run and can’t field. ? It is beyond ridiculous, but it’s not my money so I will watch with interest as this becomes an Albatross for the Mets.
YourDreamGM
Running and playing field is overrated.
VonPurpleHayes
He can DH a bunch on the Mets. It’s a good fit.
Never Remember
Yes insane to care how much he is paid. It impacts you not at all, he brings in revenue above that and the owners are multi billionaires so it is a drop in the bucket.
VonPurpleHayes
Almost nothing in professional sports impacts any of us. We can still react an expresa opinions. This is an insane contract. Juan Soto does not deserve to be the highest paid player in baseball, let alone professional sports. This is an objectively bad contract, but the Mets have an owner who likely won’t be impacted by the consequences of paying a 40 year old 50 mil a year. As a Mets fan, I’d be thrilled, but this contract would be an albatross for any other team.
outinleftfield
Since 5 teams thought he was worth at least 4700 million, 2 thought he was worth at least $710-730 million and one paid him $765 million, he deserves to be the highest paid player in baseball. All the haterade aside, its really that simple.
Objectively, he is going into his age 26 season and peak for a baseball player is his next 5 years. Age 26-30.
He is coming off a 7.9 WAR season that was worth $73 million based on 2024 FA salaries. 5 more seasons in that range and he gives the Mets $365-400 million in value depending on how much FA salaries go up.
Then he starts declining in his early 30s. Those seasons become 5 WAR then 4 WAR over the next 5 seasons through to his mid 30s. 20-22 WAR in that stretch worth at a minimum $220 million and probably far more.
Then the inevitable age 36-40 precipitous decline. He might be worth 5 WAR total over that time period. by then that will be worth $60 million or thereabouts.
Like most players with incredible hitting skills, I would think he is going to have at least one season in those last 10 that far exceeds what anyone thought was possible at that age. Like Goldy did in 2022, Freeman and Santana did last season, and Turner and Votto did in 2021.
By 2039, the top AAV will be far in excess of $51 million. In 2010 the highest contracts were in the $16-17 million range and all were for pitchers. 10 years ago Stanton signed an extension that was $25 million AAV. Judge got $40 million in 2023. Now for 2025 its $51 million. It’s called inflation.
Getting my trusty calculator out, that pencils out around $80 million in 2039.
Joggin’George
The idea that 7.9 WAR is worth 73 million is by no means certain. That equation is ridiculous.
gbs42
Von,
Soto is great and about as young as a free agent could be. The money is bonkers, but if anyone deserves it, it’s him.
Fever Pitch Guy
George – It’s indeed stupid, just like the analytics crowd saying there’s “no such thing as protection” in a lineup.
Some people actually believe having Judge hitting behind Soto didn’t help Soto’s performance…. idiots.
gbs42
outinleftfield,
Great breakdown, thanks!
gbs42
Joggin’,
It’s a solid approximation. If you have something better, let us know.
Soto has been one of the best players in baseball since day one, and he’s just now entering his prime.
It’s a mind-blowing amount of money, but if anyone was going to get that contract, it was Soto. There’s no one else in the game with his combination of youth and talent, and they’re probably won’t be for quite a while.
gbs42
FPG,
No need to call people idiots for disagreeing with you.
From my experience, many in the “analytics crowd” acknowledge things like lineup protection (clubhouse chemistry, manager influence, etc.) exist, they’re just difficult or maybe even impossible to quantify. Few, if any, people actually view the game as pure numbers played by robots.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – How can you quantify when there’s no way of knowing who would be hitting in Judge’s place and how pitchers would approach Soto with certain batters behind him.
I didn’t call anyone here an idiot so nobody should be offended, but how can anyone argue against Soto getting better pitches to hit than if he was in let’s say the White Sox lineup.
This year Soto had his lowest walk percentage since 2019 and saw the most strikes of his career. It’s silly to think pitchers don’t throw more hittable strikes with a great hitter on deck.
gbs42
FPG,
Exactly, it’s not possible to quantify lineup protection, but it certainly makes sense that it exists.
Joggin’George
Yes, I have something better: common sense.
Basic math shows that most teams would be bankrupt if they paid veterans according to that stat. It’s a stat created by the “owners are cheap crowd.
You really think prime Mike Trout is worth a hundred mil a year? It’s impossible to pay an entire team according to that calculation.
gbs42
Joggin’,
Obviously, no one is paying any player $73M or $100M per season, but that doesn’t mean players don’t occasionally put up seasons that are worth that much. The rarity of such seasons, the chance of injury, age, etc. all contribute to salaries maxing out well below those numbers.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s lunacy to me that he gets that much more than Ohtani and Mookie Betts. Soto is an exciting hitter who gets on base a ton. He’s also a butcher in the field and a slug on the base path.
I’d absolutely love him on my team, but I can’t comprehend that he gets paid more than anyone in the sport when he’s a 1-way player.
Joggin’George
Gbs, I agree a player could be theoretically worth that, if the team win the WS or something but obviously you can’t actually pay that. Which is how most fans use that equation: do determine what a player should be paid.
The McNasty1
Deal with it
GooseGoslinGuy
Another good reason to hate the Mets. And it’ll be fun when he botches plays in the outfield.
gbs42
Hate the Mets for signing super talented players and trying to win?
GooseGoslinGuy
No, just hating them because they are the Mets! ;o)
CrackerJack42
Huge buy low for my Metropolitans! Throw that cash Mr. Cohen!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
HAL STEINBRENNER FAILED!!!
Mr cohen is the new George Steinbrenner!
CrackerJack42
The Soto news following right behind Mets Legend Michael Conforto signing reminds me of when Steven Matz went to St. Louis so Cohen went out and signed Scherzer
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I agree fletcher fan! Just like that time Alex Rodriguez was an oriole!
Damn Yankee$
Reports that the Yankees offered 760 over 16. There has to be more to the story. He could be the greatest player in the history of the franchise, hands-down, instead of one of the many greats in monument Park. Who knows.
Bronx Bombers
Cohen needs to get a ring or at least make the world series before giving him that title lol
Led Hoyer
That’s an extra year of work for less money. Would you take that offer at your job?
S_man_2014
If Soto stayed with the Yankees, he would’ve always been in Judge’s shadow. Literally too!
Killer of Ignorance
Except Cohen has yet to win anything. Big Stein was crazy but he did get pretty good results. Meanwhile, you better worry about your rudderless Mariners. Maybe they will get off to another fast start like last year and then blow a 10 game lead in record time.
all in the suit that you wear
We need to wait to see who failed and who succeeded today.
ohmy
Ya, you’ll be singing a way different tune in a few years.
thebirds
Oh. Boy.
❤️ MuteButton
“Wow”, is almost truly an understatement. “Sick”, is probably what I would call it. Lol
unpaidobserver
Wow with 8 zeroes.
Justinrlstn
Oof. Mets doing Mets things
LordD99
As a Yankee fan, I’m not going to play the card of “this is too much, I’m glad my team didn’t sign him.” Nope. He’s a hell of a hitter, but this was the inevitable conclusion. It is an interesting dynamic. He was beloved in the Bronx, but now he’ll call NYC his home and be hated by 60% of the baseball fans in the city for the next 15 years. I’m sure $765MM will sooth the pain. : -)
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
People are going to go insane when Soto goes back to yankee stadium
unpaidobserver
Can Yankees fans really gripe abt prying another teams star away with more money?
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets are going to start getting some of thar Yankees and Dodger hate as well. They’re big boys now.
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Von Purple Hayes
People kept whining after the WS about the Dodgers’ payroll but it was between third and fifth depending upon which source you consult. Mets and Yankees had far larger payrolls.
Dodgers were tier two with your Phillies and the Asterisks,.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s not just about total payroll. The big markets have big advantages. I’m lucky I root for a big market. This sport is broken, but my team benefits.
Fernando P
Payroll doesn’t count all the deferred money. Dodgers likely top team if we count that.
ThatsIT?
The sport isn’t broken. Why do fans think they’re entitled to not only a winning team but it has to be exciting and they gotta sign my favourite player to huge deal, Also ballpark has to be new.
Baseball doesn’t have a single problem that the other sports don’t
VonPurpleHayes
Baseball has a ton of problems that other sports don’t, but honestly the problems have more to do with owners not spending than owners spending too much.
Jaysfansince92
Not sure at all. Other sports have salary caps. This is the only major North American sport that allows teams to have such huge payroll discrepancies.
danumd87 2
They’re just Yankees fans though. We’re not talking real baseball fans who he should gaf about
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – I don’t see why he would be hated. He was a Yankee for only one year, obviously not homegrown, and he got them to their first WS in 15 years.
You don’t hate on one-year rentals unless they underperform, which he didn’t. Now if it was Judge instead, THEN I could understand Yankees fans feeling he was disloyal.
Then again, wouldn’t be the first time Yankees fans did something irrational. Lol!
bwmiller79
He went to the WS with the Yankees, if he was committed to winning he would have stayed with the Yankees. Their offer was close.
Maybe he is pals with Frankie Lindor? He looked awfully chummy with AJ last season.
One year rental isn’t the case when you lay out a 750M contract offer to retain a player. In the end he took the biggest bag on the table, from the crosstown team, in what I’d deem traitorous. Led the Yankees to the World Series and took an Uber from the Bronx to Flushing Meadows. The car smelled like Arby’s and wet dog hair. He left a bad review for the driver and didn’t tip.
gbs42
bwmiller,
Are the Yankees the only team committed to winning? It’s not like Soto signed with the Rockies, the Mets and Cohen are very committed to winning. For example, they just signed a stellar young FA to a record-setting contract.
“Traitorous?” Excellent hyperbole. He was a Yankee for one season, the least time he’s spent with any team, and he didn’t choose to play for them. Why should he have any particular loyalty to them?
bwmiller79
Because you are on the team and they made a good offer to keep you on the team. You chose to go across town for one reason or another. Good luck to Juan Soto, I ain’t the judge of no man, he earned his pay and his right to choose and his reasons for choosing the Mets may be personal, or maybe they had the better luncheon, who knows.
But I’m from Chicago, we are a two team town like NYC, it’s unthinkable to me. We may get together on a trade or two from time to time but we dearly want the best of it. For any player on the team to walk to the Cubs in that fashion after a WS run would be a freaking outrage!
Blue Baron
bwmiller: But he was no longer a Yankee once the World Series ended. He was a free agent and had no obligation to the Yankees.
He earned the right to choose his next employer.
gbs42
bwmiller,
Fans have lifelong allegiances to their teams. Soto was a Yankee for several months, and he had no choice in that. He took advantage of free agency to find the situation he deemed best for himself using whatever criteria he wanted to. I don’t consider that “a freaking outrage!”
Pads Fans
gbs, absolutely. Soto had played for 4 teams in 5 years. He owed none of them loyalty. Get your money young man.
Blue Baron
LordD99: It won’t be 60% if he helps the Mets be better than the Yankees as they were in the 80s. There are a lot of frontrunning fans out there.
GooseGoslinGuy
Acuna is a better player. Too bad, he has been dogged by serious injury.
GabeItch
Wowee
revolver
Madness. He’s not even that good.
Michol
Soon to be the worst contract ever
gbs42
Michol, unlikely any time soon.
The McNasty1
Michol is jealous
FrontOfficeStan
Amazing. Hard to believe a player can be worth this amount though.
gbs42
Stan,
It is pretty stunning, but team values keep going through the roof, so player contracts will naturally go up similarly.
rhandome
wow!
mlbnyyfan
Do I really want a player who turns down my team for only 5 Million over 15 years. Soto can have the Mets. That’s only just over 300K a season. Soto was greedy and I’m glad he didn’t goto Boston
andyger63
No. Bye. We can get a lot of good players for $765 million. Hope for the Mets he doesn’t get injured.
Scott Costello
If you think the Yankees are going to turn around and shows that money to other players you are going to be disappointed!
They earmarked that money for Soto and Soto only. Maybe they sign a couple aging vets for 2 year deals and trade for a closer. But that will be it.
User 3240017344
andyger63: “No. Bye. We can get a lot of good players for $765 million”
Yeah? Name them lol.
Or I guess @ $760 mil Soto was your best option but @ $765 then it’s a bad business decision?
Good luck trying to get 7 WAR out of 1 roster spot.
“Hope for the Mets he doesn’t get injured”
Pathetic.
gbs42
mlbnyyfan,
The AAV difference between the two offers was $3.5M per season, not $300k.
Amazing that fans will call a player greedy while rarely calling out ownership’s greed. Who paid for the new Yankee Stadium? Ownership only put up $450M, the same as taxpayers. Sounds like greedy ownership to me.
Michael Handsman
Yanks offer was 47.5 mil per year
Mets 51 mil per year.
thats 50 mil more
gbs42
Michael,
The Yankees offer was for 16 years/$760M, Mets was 15 years/$765M.
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets offer atually includes an extra 5 mil per year if he doesn’t opt out after 5. That’s insane. So it’s a lot more than 765. Soto will be getting 55 a year in his 40s.
imissjoebuzas
The Mets had to do something after they lost out in the Michael Conforto sweepstakes.
avenger65
It figures. No one outbids Cohen. Now let’s see if Soto can pitch. The Mets still need help there.
letitbelowenstein
I suppose people will think otherwise in 6-10 years, but right now this contract is ridiculous.
CrikesAlready
Bobby Bonilla 2024.
jhonny
Biggest contract of all time. So crazy.
ohyeadam
Huge bonus, no deferred, opt out and even comes with incentives. He got everything he could’ve ever asked for and more. Cohen literally backed the truck up
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Cohen is the best owner of all of baseball
ThatsIT?
Why is he the best owner?
Giant Willy
Cohen got piped
differentbears
The Dodger ownership group is probably the best. Cohen is right there though, guy doesn’t care about saving every penny, he wants to win and that’s why he’s in the game. That should be appreciated.
Every team is owned by the ultra rich. Not every owner is in it to win.
VonPurpleHayes
I can’t say Cohen is right there. All he did was spend. Time will tell if he spent smart. I really like the combo of Cohen and Stearns though. One goes crazy with giant contracts. The other makes calculated gambles.
John_In_WI
While every team is owned by the ultra rich, there’s still a huge disparity in media rights and merch opportunities. Sick that entertainers are worth this kind of money.
good vibes only
Cohen and Stearns make an interesting combo for sure.
That being said, I’m with you on not calling Cohen the best just yet. Arte Moreno is highly engaged and wants to win too. Nobody is calling him a great owner. Cohen already tried this once w/ Scherzer etc and it didn’t work.
Regardless, it’s fun to watch and I wish someone like this would buy the Mariners!
GooseGoslinGuy
All it takes is a salary cap to balance it all out.
VonPurpleHayes
Salary floor is more important, but I wouldn’t mind both.
ruthlesslyabsurd
Literally???
El Kabong
@ruthlesslyabsurd,
Wait until June when someone says the Mets bullpen is literally a dumpster fire.
Funny enough, Grammarly suggests removing “literally” from the previous sentence.
Lanidrac
@El Kabong Of course it does, or the Mets will literally have to forfeit a game and call in the fire department to deal with all that burning trash.
Blue Baron
El Kabong: It’s not that funny. Modifiers like currently and literally add nothing to a sentence.
El Kabong
@BlueBaron,
I realize that, but it added something to my sentence because I was discussing the word “literally.”
Giant Willy
Literally nothing?
GooseGoslinGuy
Well, at least Grammarly knows what “literally” means. The Mets bullpen might suck in June, but they won’t literally be a dumpster fire unless someone puts a dumpster into the bullpen, loads all the pitchers into it, and then sets it on fire.
Rexhudler86
@ohyeadam. Didn’t think he was going to get it, because not many teams were willing to spend that much. My guess is Cohen was bidding against himself. He fell for boras’ mystery team.
Frank Fds
supposedly the Yankees offered 16 years 760. so he wasn’t bidding against himself. maybe he wanted to grow facial hair. lol
Rexhudler86
@frank fds. That could be boras playing games like he’s known for. There’s no telling what teams were offering. The numbers that come out later are usually for PR. I’m sure something will come out that the blue Jay’s had him on a private jet, and offered him 900m.
warnbeeb
Queens is a lot cheaper to live in than upper east side.
stymeedone
I’m sure that was a concern for him./s
Tigers3232
@Rex Loosen up that tinfoil hat a bit. Now while teams can help up the price, MLB front office employees are a rather small fraternity. Most if not all GMs surely have contacts in other front offices and have a good pulse of reality.
If what you’re proposing were to be true, that would mean all MLB front offices turn a blind eye and deliberately stay quiet on the matter. Meanwhile that silence hinders them when trying to aquire talent. It’s just absurd, these owners are pretty dxmn good at holding a unified front every time a new CBA is to be bargained.
warnbeeb
Plus, the commute to the park is easier. Boras knows how to look after his guys in every single way.
Michol
Soon to be the worst ever
gravel
Michol is coping all over mlbtr tonight.
ReyDay
That would still be Rendon contract. Even if Mets get only 5 good years it’ll still be better than his.
Goose
YAY!!! The Red Sox were ‘interested’.
myaccount2
Every team was interested. Not every team can pay $765 million though.
Goose
The last 3 years Red Sox management has said they are in on big free agents and always say they have strong ‘interest’. Take a wild guess how many upper tier free agents they have signed in the last 3 years?
They have bigger needs but i guarantee Sam Kennedy will be all over sports radio saying they were close and came up in 2nd to the Mets but we are going to sign someone big. Then no one will get signed.
metsin4
The Red Sox might not really need to sign a position player. They have tons of talent coming.
lfcredsox
they can’t make a player sign a contract, why do you think it is so easy?, are you really that upset that they didn’t tie that much money up in one player, it would have crippled the. franchise for years
myaccount2
I don’t think your argument here is very strong given that this is a record-breaking contract. If it’s March and they still haven’t signed a big name, then I’ll understand your complaint.
El Kabong
@metsIn4,
That’s a great point. With the Yankees losing Soto and the Jays possibly losing Vlad in a year, the Red Sox can build a window of contention if they get the pitching right. The AL East is an intriguing division. It’ll be interesting to see what Baltimore does to fortify its window.
Enjoy the dawning of the Soto era. At the very least, it kicks off what figures to be a wild week of winter meetings.
ThatsIT?
That’s why they shouldn’t say anything in the media, so the simpletons like yourself don’t get confused
Joemo
Mets – While I agree, Soto is a generational hitter and signing him would have allowed them (Red Sox) to make additional moves to get high end pitching.
They didn’t NEED him, but he’s a player that if you have the resources, you go after him if he hits free agency.
El Kabong
Joemo — What about the Red Sox going for high-end pitching now (Burnes) and setting their sites on Vladdy next winter?
Joemo
El Kabong – my ideal off-season, prior to it starting and still holds true, would be to sign two top tier SP – I like Fried and Sasaki more but at this point I’ll take any top tier SP. And adding a RH bat (or Teoscar).
Vladdy doesn’t really fit in the roster if Casas continues on his path and the Sox can’t find a dump for Yoshida. He should stay in Toronto but they can’t seem to land a top tier FA.
El Kabong
Joemo—With the Red Sox and Yankees willing to spend, it would seem imperative for Baltimore to hang onto Burnes. Even with him, they need rotation help. The point is that the AL East’s power balance can shift quickly. There is a long way to go until opening day, but these winter meetings seem crucial for teams in that division. The high-end talent will disappear quickly, which will be bad news for any team with cold feet. The entire division can look quite different by the end of the week.
Joemo
Kabong – that’s true. The Sox desperately need that top tier pitching, and since they lost out on yet another free agent in Soto I’m not sure they will be willing to pay what it takes to acquire a Fried, Burnes, etc.
The thing that bothers me about the Sox and Soto is that it shows that the Sox haven’t changed. They will talk a big game and then don’t back it up when it comes time to write the checks. The same thing is going to happen with the other FA. They will sign somewhere else and then you’ll hear a report that the Sox were just under what they signed for. Same old story, same old song and dance.
Fever Pitch Guy
Goose – Kennedy’s preferred excuse is “the player and the Red Sox didn’t align on a contract”.
Gotta use the “align” catchphrase, always. It sounds so much nicer than “We refused to pay what the other teams were willing to pay”.
El Kabong
Joemo — Soto’s situation is different. He signed a record-breaking contract.
Dogbone
Rumor has it that Reinsdorf kept pushing the price up. LOL.
Unclemike1526
Reinsdorf would have had the big one at about 50 million.
CheapBloom
For that money and duration NO THANKS
DirtyWater04
I’ve been cynical about Henry being a tightwad for a while now and I would’ve been excited if signing Soto was the first step in radically re-shaping the team this winter, but you know, at that price, honestly, I’m not even mad they didn’t get it done. Mets can have him. He’s a great bat but he should not be the the highest paid athlete in history.
Of course, now the Sox need to go actually spend that money they were allegedly prepared to give him, so I’m trying to temper my expectations accordingly.
lfcredsox
exactly right we need pitching, and maybe a offensive upgrade or two, but that contract would be such an albatross
goob
@DirtyWater04 And, of course, from a Sox perspective – that he won’t be a Yankee anymore has to feel pretty damn good.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dirty – I agree Soto is basically just a great bat like Manny.
So how does it make you feel the Red Sox allegedly offered him nearly double what a certain great-hitting GG multi-position-fielding great baserunner and franchise icon wanted just 4 years ago?
DirtyWater04
Still sore about Mookie – best player this organization has produced in my lifetime, and one of my all-time favorites next to Ortiz, Manny, Pedro, Pedey, and Lester. I’d rather have him back than any of the free agents out there, but the mistake has already been made and the damage done. At some point they can’t let it continue to compound and remember we are the Red Sox and operate accordingly. They’re talking a big game about it, so I welcome that change if they prove to actually be serious about making it.
On one level, it’s insane that they’d go to this level for someone else when they wouldn’t go $300M for Mookie, but at the same time part of me is also glad that they aren’t letting that number become an arbitrary line in the sand that they’ll never go past for anyone. They messed up the Betts deal, but if the lesson they learned from that was to never offer anyone a big money contract ever again, then that takeaway would be even dumber than the act of letting him leave to begin with.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dirty – One of the things that is really annoying about John Henry is the lack of consistency, which I know is common for liars.
They used the “no longterm contracts because they are stupid” excuse for not signing guys like Mookie and Xander, but then they gave one to Story and Devers.
Then they said “no longterm contracts for guys over 30 because they are stupid” which is their reasoning for supposedly offering them to Yamamoto and Soto, but Mookie was only 27 in his walk year.
The bottom line is whether you’re 30 or 26 there’s still a chance you’ll get injured during a longterm contract. So either give them out based on past performance and past health, or don’t give them out at all. Let’s see what happens with Burnes and Fried.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@DirtyWater04
You are correct in being cynical about John Henry and him being a tightwad. When he was the Marlins owner, he first started with his allusions that he would build them into never struggling again with all of his money. At first, we were thinking the NHL was wrong in rejecting him from becoming the owner of the Tampa Bay Lightning, when the reports were that he could not give them a straight answer on how he’d use his finances to run the team. Then we saw it when his first statements started to come out when he backed out of his orginal promise to build the Marlins their own stadium that all he needed was the land he’d be able to use. When they gave him the area he’d be able to build on, he started crying poverty. Think about that. He came in and was one of the most wealthy owners in MLB and started crying poverty to the city of Miami as the reason he could not build his team their own stadium, so he needed the city of Miami to front the bill. And he kept right on doing it throughout his tenure.
Then, a little under a year before he actually left, the reports started coming out that he may be willing to sell the team because he couldn’t afford to build a stadium. And he couldn’t afford to build the team up. When that happened, he started getting called out locally. And then, a much younger and more motivated Gustavo Cisneros made it clear that if Henry wanted to sell, he would buy the Marlins. Cisneros then started brokering a deal with the city of Miami where he would get the same land that Henry was to be rewarded. Cisneros, who has always had less money than Henry, then started prepping for the opportunity, even releasing his plans of making the Marlins “the team of the Americas” by making them the feature sports franchise on his Latin American television empire. And while this man with lesser revenue than Henry pushed for the chance, Henry kept claiming poverty. Then, as things were clear that the city of Miami was not buying the Henry bull mess, reports started coming of things moving internally within the organization that seemed to indicate that Henry was about to put the Marlins on sale, then the first shocker happened. Dave Dombrowski, who was loved in South Florida and Marlins fans (and his wife was loved too as a local upcoming news reporter), announced that he was leaving for undisclosed reasons, but with reports that he was informed of something coming. Everyone thought that this was due to an official sale coming soon. However, the next shocker came that we knew was going to be bad from the get-go. It was when Bud Selig and the MLB League Office, along with John Henry and Jeffrey Loria announced that John Henry would be selling the team to Loria, and that the Red Sox would be sold to Henry, and that MLB would be moving the Expos (who Loria destroyed) to D.C. and that they would sort out the ownership later. All of this was done, without giving Cisneros (who has always had a lot more money than Loria) a chance to bid on the Marlins like he wanted back then. And there were reports that it was tied to some of the reports of Mark Cuban wanting to take a shot at buying any of the three franchises, but mainly the Expos or Red Sox since he knew that Cisneros wanted the Marlins. And the reports after this was announced also included the mention that Dombrowski left when Henry told him about this and about Dombrowski’s former boss in Montreal, Loria, coming to Miami.
Oh, and the best part of it about it. John Henry, who cried poverty to the city of Miami, miraculously found more money to purchase the Red Sox for a price that was significantly higher than it cost whim to own the Marlins (which he already woned) and to buiuld the stadium in Miami. And if that wasn’t good enough of a piece, the next best part has got to be that Loria, after destroying baseball in Montreal (and clearly the reason Dombrowski left there and then left Miami), Loria was given a loan by MLB under Selig’s direction for Loria to purchase the Marlins.
This is the real John Henry. Of course, Red Sox loving networks like ESPN and FOX Sports never talk about that, but it’s who you Red Sox fans got. Granted, Henry put the money out there to win championships, but that seems to be more of him sprucing your team up for when he’d turn them into his cash cow. He bought the Marlins a little over a year after they won the 1997 championship, so he felt he had that in place to build the Marlins into his cash cow…especially if he could dupe the city of Miami to believe his cries of poverty, ignore his actual bank account, and hand him a free stadium for him to run his cash cow in.
Again, for Marlins fans, we’re not surprised by what John Henry has been doing in boston for the last few years. There’s no direction with the team and no real effort to sign big names they can afford because Henry is maximizing his profits. That’s who he really is.
DirtyWater04
This comment should be framed in thr Louvre. Excellent stuff. And it’s a true shame what he and Loria did to Miami. That should be hands down one of the best baseball towns in America and those two crooks may have totally destroyed any chance for that to ever happen. Marlins fans certainly deserve better.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Yeah, a lot of people out outside of Florida contstantly bash the Marlins, but don’t know what led our franchise to the situation it’s been in. The MLB league office messed up baseball in Florida ever since the mid-90s.
In short, first, after expanding to Miami, they didn’t allow the Marlins to establish themselves and their reach in teh state before MLB expanded again with the Rays, who also took a hit due to expanding just a few years later, less than 300 miles away.
Then, MLB should have never allowed Wayne Huizenga to do the fire sale after the 1997 championship. Like they did with the McCourts later on, they should have forced him to sell the team for the good of the game. The momentum was built with the 1997 run, but tyhe fire sale burned it to the ground.
Then, after Henry was sold the team, when he started his cries of poverty, and went to Selig to see if he can pull off the deal he, Selig, and Loria eventually did, Henry (and Loria) should have never been allowed to bail out on their teams and go to new ones that they saw as better deals after they screwed the ones they owned. It should have been made clar to Henry that, if he wanted out of the Marlins, he would be out of MLB ownership forever. Same with Loria. And Henry still wanted out of the Marlins, then it should’ve been open bidding which very likely would’ve led to Cisneros owning the team prior to that 2003 championship.
And even after the Loria garbage happened, the MLB league office again had a chance to make it right when Loria sold because they had Jorge Mas step up. And while no one is entirely sure what happened, Mas representatives have always asserted that they were not allowed to do a final bid to beat out the Sherman/Jeter group. According to them and reports, Loria and the league decided to close bidding right after the Sherman/Jeter group made a final bid, which Jorge Mas himself stated who could beat out – yes the same Jorge Mas who’s worth 5 times what Bruce Sherman is.
Yes, us Marlins fans deserve better. Anyone that looks at the sports scene in our area see that we can support the major sports. We just need the right ownership, which we’ve never had, despite MLB having at least two chances to give us one, and unfortunately has taken many actions that have screwed the Marlins (as well as the Rays in connecting results). It’s sad when you see what the Miami Heat are; the Miami Dolphins are; and the Florida Panthers are as franchises, and then you look at the Marlins. Kids don’t have many places to play ice hockey, and most of South Florida culture isn’t really into hockey, but the Panthers are in better shape. The Miami Heat are a top-tier NBA franchise in a town where people see basketball as their third favorite sport behind football and baseball. And with the baseball mention, we see the sad reality that every weekend and weeknight, you can see baseball games at parks all over Florida (especially South Florida), but MLB can’t get things right with the Marlins and Rays. And they cater to guys like John Henry.
Marlins fans and all South Florida fans deserve better than this.
And I feel bad for you Red Sox fans because Henry is doing the same to you guys now that he feels those championships he brought give him a free pass to turn the Red Sox to his cash cow, while he spreads his bullmess of “we were in on [x-player].” He wasn’t trying to get any of them. Even Crochet today was a budget move to save face.
overdamonstah
lfcredsox
why would the red Sox sign such a ridiculous contract
Frenchredsox
$700 million is slightly above interested . But economics and sustainability is also important in a team sport where giving that type of commitment to ONE player who could get injured is a risk. They could use those now to sign 3-4 top players and be just as competitive. Thing is will they.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@Goose
You Red Sox fans, for the last few years, are finally experiencing the real John Henry that us Marlins fans experienced when he was our owner. Expect more of the same to come.
StreakingBlue
$765 for a bad defensive player yikes
Luis_Fazenda
Yup. Glad my team (Dodgers) didn’t overpay for this guy.
bkbk
Shutttt upppppppppp
StreakingBlue
They know better then to do that. Ugh what a waste of a contract. You wonder why the Mets are constantly losing when it matters.
Led Hoyer
Mets might win a World Series with him in the lineup last year.
StreakingBlue
The only World Series the Mets are winning is from a Beer League
VonPurpleHayes
Not with that rotation.
metsin4
That’s what you said about the Phillies and Mets last year and they were good enough to send Philly packing.
ReyDay
Sound like a bitter ex
VonPurpleHayes
The Phillies offense was terrible. I had the Mets easily beating us and getting creamed next round. I was right.
Pads Fans
Von, the offseason is still happening and the best SP and to many the 2nd best SP are still on the market.
Pads Fans
Von, the Phillies offense was 8th best in baseball.
SportsFan0000
Ha! Soto is not that kind of player.
Didn’t help the Padres much.
Didn’t deliver a World Series Title for the NYY.
Was just a role player for the Nats on a loaded team of very good players.
Blue Baron
SportsFan0000: Wrong. He carried the Nats in 2019.
ReyDay
You say Soto who hit 3 HR, 7 RBI, 6 R, 5XBH, .333AVG in the 2019 World Series a role player for them? Lmao you sound like a bitter ex that lost his girl to the jock QB then says she’s not even that good looking. Trolls : /
metsin4
So your philosophy is the Mets continuously lose is because they sign hall of fame players? Good take.
stymeedone
So what’s your explanation for the losing?
VonPurpleHayes
Right, but most of that was due to their early success. Their offense was in a big slump in most of the 2nd half. It was inevitable. Every Philly fan knew what was coming.
No offense meant to the Mets, but the Phillies made that series look easy.
bwmiller79
If you are the Mets, you can’t be trading Acuna now, or Ronny Mauricio. You have to count on both plugging in at 2B and CF for the term of their rookie deals. Be nice to have Tidwell and Sproat develop too, can’t really consider trading them.
Vientos to first, Baty at third, Acuna at 2B, Mauricio in the outfield. Four rookie deals in the starting lineup will help quench the burning hot checkbook.
ReyDay
They still have 100MM to spend to get to last years payroll, that’s funny that you think Mets are done adding.
theruns
Yes, the team that made it to the NLCS and just added the best hitter on the planet is clearly a longshot to make the World Series!
Good work!
Jackalopal
Lol let’s see how the injury prone dh pitcher does when he turns 33
kershawsgrandma22
The 3 time unanimous MVP one?
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
Got a ring, doesn’t matter.
jyosuckas
Literally overpaid for a guy that will fan out last year, the one that had the TJ surgery
bruinlife33
Luis: Didn’t sign with the Doyers because he didn’t want deferred money.
YourDreamGM
Would have been over pay for LA but it isn’t for the mets.
outinleftfield
Dodgers paid just $700 million for a player that can’t play defense at all.
Bivouac-Sal
@outinleftfield
which you certainly are.
Ask your smarter neighbors about Ohtani as a pitcher.
Suitcase Simpson
and delivered an mvp season plus a world series title in year one
Lanidrac
Ohtani plays defense whenever he’s on the mound. It just doesn’t matter much compared to his pitching.
Even all of Greg Maddux’s Gold Gloves were only a footnote in his Hall of Fame career.
VonPurpleHayes
Does Juan Soto pitch?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Definitely would take Shohei for the bargain price of $700 million
El Kabong
It’s odd that some people get mad about what others get paid. Once opening day arrives, most fans won’t care. They’ll be focused on current rosters and what happens on the field.
YourDreamGM
Dodgers got Ohtani for 400 and some. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
El Kabong
Ohtani is not complaining. And who cares what someone else gets paid? There are more significant concerns in the world right now. Baseball? Just enjoy the games.
kzw
@WadeBoggs…I’d take Ohtani for a billion over Soto with this contract. All day, every day.
Fernando P
@ Luis – Only because he wouldn’t take deferred money from your team. He wanted all his money now.
rizdakc99
Mets betting on 900 PAs when the golden at-bat rule is implemented.
It could’ve been worse… 20 years $800 million from the Dodgers with $780 million deferred.
baseballhistory
Soto is also 29 years old, not the ” fairy tale age” of 26, that he is listed at!!
prov356
Source please…
OPACY
Interesting……
WideWorldofSports
765 massive overpay
Michol
He will be hitting .250 soon as well
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Michol
No, he will be hitting 0.290 as a DH.
Scott Costello
You realize he was a gold glove finalist this year right? He is an average OF to be honest though. He is not Bad
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Gold Glove finalist and the name Soto should never appear in the same sentence.
The fact that Derek Jeter won Gold Gloves while being one of the worst fielders in all of baseball pretty much tells you what a Gold Glove is worth.
Scott Costello
Did you actually watch Jeter play regularly? He made every play that he could make. Sure he didn’t have the crazy range of some SS, but he was an outstanding fielder who rarely made mistakes. I trusted when a ground ball was hit his way he would make the play.
RussianFemboy
@streaking
that’s all you’re getting from his stats? nit-picking at its finest.
Simm
Bargain…said nobody
shark stitches
Somehow Ohtani looks like a bargain.
YourDreamGM
Ohtani was a bargain.
smuzqwpdmx
Ohtani’s value was held down by his repeating pattern of injuries, having an arm injury at the time of his free agency, as well as being a little older. If teams could’ve somehow been confident he’d have 10 healthy seasons left in him both pitching and hitting then he’d have earned a lot more.
Soto could get hurt, but there’s no particular reason to expect it.
Kk 4
And the crowd goes mild
C Yards Jeff
Hey, Orioles fan here. Happy he’s out of the AL East.
Yankee Clipper
Congratulations Mets fans…. Gotta say, this one hurts a bit. Back to the drawing board!
Braves_saints_celts
Yeah it would hurt me too, gave away Michael King who is a blossoming ace for one year of soto. Ouch….
Yankee Clipper
Exactly, man. Oh well, fifth or sixth isn’t really all that different from second anyway.
theonlydynasty
He really just didn’t want to be a Yankee i guess. That’s fine, yes I’m bitter right now, but I won’t be for 15 years. But for today, I hope this ends up like Arod in TX!!!!!
adamontheshore
I mean, they only gave up two years of King for Soto. So, even if King is an Ace next year, which he likely won’t be, though I suspect he will be very good, it’s not the end of the world, especially with the season that Soto gave them. If the other prospects become good then yeah, it might hurt, but not King alone.
Braves_saints_celts
He’s on his way to being an ace, his numbers support that, 200ks a below 3 ERA and 2 years vs 1 year, idk man I think I’d rather have kept my prospects and king, and he’d probably be cheaper than soto…. Way way cheaper to keep around plus he was born and raised in New York. And if you were so dead set on trading him, could have done it for someone with more team control than just one season.
Longtimecoming
Then what about adding Cease to the equation since Thorpe (many years) basically got SD Cease. Higgy with a career year that got him a nice contract. And yes, Vasquez and Brito still have some room and even if only a good 5 starter between them, there is some value there.
YourDreamGM
Don’t forget King
Longtimecoming
I was replying to Adam who had referenced King. His belief being of all they gave up was King it was still good trade.
YourDreamGM
My bad I don’t read em all. Good work.
Patriot12992
We can’t discount a pennant, Those do not grow on trees, I don’t like the way this yankee team was constructed but a pennant is a pennant.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Braves_saints
Without Soto, they might not have made it to the World Series. That is worth Michael King.
Motor City Beach Bum
Who’s up next for the Yanks Santander or Bregman?
Yankee Clipper
Ooof, man, I’d say probably Fried or Burns, but that is a wild guess honestly. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Cashman defaults to analytics, signs Buehler and being back Joey Gallo.
Braves_saints_celts
If y’all get fried, if healthy I promise you guys will love him. Absolute professional! I just wish the braves would do something we had all the time in the world to extend him but wouldn’t and now he’s almost assuredly leaving for a new team. We need a starter, a shortstop and an outfielder. My hopes are either ha or hye seong kim for short, I mean it may not be the best but we still have arcia to lean on for ha to get healthy or if hye needs an adjustment period. Starter I was hoping to bring back fried or get Bieber but that’s not happening so my next best guess is buehler and for the outfield I was hoping conforto but now I don’t even know who we could get with the braves cheapness. And no not saying the braves are cheap, we aren’t, but we are when it comes to top tier free agents!
Yankee Clipper
Braves, Saints, Celts: Glad to hear man. I’ve liked Fried, so I would be really happy with him.
Outfield Fly
Fried is a Braves legend, but I’m okay with the Braves not extending him. The last two games of the season including the playoffs are a microcosm of what he brings. filthy nasty stuff in his last start in the regular season in a must win game. But then a 5 run second inning in game 2.
Phenomenal and a great pitcher, but inconsistent, often injured/not healthy, and not the greatest playoff record.
He will be loved by Braves fans and rightly so. He helped us get to the World Series and helped us win/clinch a championship.
But his pricetag got too high for us, and that’s okay.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yankee Clipper
Christian Walker and Alex Bregman combined should equal Soto and Oswaldo..
kevnames42
@bravessaintscelts The Braves free agency “cheapness” comes from the fact that they have built a great consistent team which doesn’t NEED the top free agent in order to make the playoffs every year due to all the extensions they were somehow able to complete. They need a couple pieces, but they’ll be just fine next year
stymeedone
The Braves avoid Mr BORAS, as should every smart team.
outinleftfield
Walker. 1B needs to be addressed.
burrwick
Count your lucky stars.
YourDreamGM
Cashman won’t be denied twice. When he is 30 and ready to decline and opts out that’s when Cashman will go all in.
This is a A+ pass for Yankees. Soto didn’t make sense for them.
Yankee Clipper
Dude, you’re so right about that. Cashman will grab Castillo, Matthew Boyd, Juan Soto, and Blake Snell…… in 2030. Be like Ol’ Timers’ Day on that roster…. lol.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yankee
your really deel that way? Yanks have a lot of good young talent.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Walker provides excellent defense and hits pretty well. Alonzo is a major power threat, but doesn’t really improve the defense, and he will be a lot more expensive, imho.
Scott Costello
How likely is that young talent going to work out?? The Yankees are the best at wasting young talent. Outside of Judge, every young talented player in their farm has fizzled out once the big club gets a hold of them.
kgcubs
Aloha Clipper, as much as I want players to do well, this is crazy. I don’t think it’s good overall for the game. So much money tied into one player. I will say kudos to the Mets for not doing the deferral scheme. Well, maybe your Yankees can use a Cody and Nico or Cody and Paredes combo? Mahalo
BLIN7Y
Wanted the Yanks to get him but this number is ridiculous. 51MM AAV…Cohen will be paying the Tax for a long time. Alonzo will want a Grip to re-sign
Yankee Clipper
Honestly, I’d rather get Walker than Alonzo. I think he fits the teams’ needs better and will be much, much cheaper (and shorter-term commitment).
Scott Costello
Rizzo 2.0. No thanks
User 3716094111
I was sure he was coming to the Pirates. Damn
YourDreamGM
This Goku? Bright eyes?
User 3716094111
Neither, dude. Go watch Black Sails
Mehmehmeh
How much is deferred? That will be the interesting bit to see surface later.
rct
Apparently none with incentives up to $800 million.
Ma4170
No it says some will be deferred
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Where in this article does it say that ?
Ma4170
My mistake.. i read it wrong… reading too damn fast.. sorry
outinleftfield
Per ESPN’s Jeff Passan, the deal contains no deferred money and includes escalators that can push the contract beyond $800MM.
stymeedone
For that amount it should contain penalties for not winning MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, SB Title, and Roberto Clemente Awards.
Mehmehmeh
If Passan’s report is correct and there is none deferred, then this contract makes Ohtani look like a bargain.
Seamaholic
Ohtani is much older and has an injury history.
Bivouac-Sal
and pitches
Discokill
And brings an entire nation of fans and sponsorship dollars
YourDreamGM
Soto won’t bring and entire nation and it’s not as big and wealth anyways. But he will bring 200 300k more fans. That’s a lot of $. They don’t actually believe he’s worth 700m as a baseball player. If Ohtani wanted to be a met he would have been.
goob
When Soto is “much older” he’ll have an injury history all his own.
dclivejazz
Soto certainly brings along an entire nation. Perhaps not one as affluent as Japan, but all eyes in the DR are proudly on him.
Pads Fans
Ohtani is 4 years older and has missed time in 6 of 7 seasons to injuries. Elbow twice that resulted in UCL surgery, shoulder, knee, oblique twice, and finger.
As far as I know Soto has never had a stint on the IL.
DanUgglasRing
Insane. Congratulations Mets fans!
rct
Yeaaaahhh
Yankee Clipper
Hey man, congratulations. You guys are gonna love him. Honestly, I’ve always liked Soto, but seeing him bat everyday was different altogether. Plus, putting him with Lindor is going to make for a really nice 1-2 or 2-3.
Ma4170
Thanks… i hate the contract, but love the hitter… if they go lindor soto vientos 1-2-3 I’d like that a lot
YourDreamGM
Contract is fine. Enjoy Soto
rct
Was just talking to a Yanks fan friend of mine and I wouldn’t be surprised if Hal grabs Alonso after this. Yanks need some offense and Alonso would do well in that park. Cheers, thanks for the kind words, and good luck to y’all this offseason.
Yankee Clipper
Looks like we will need it now! Thanks A LOT Cohen….lol
Raymond Flagstaff
I would expect the mets to outbid for alonso if they have to
YourDreamGM
Don’t need Alonso now or even before really. They can be fine with Walker Goldy or even Santana.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, honestly, I think Walker would be a better fit for the Yankees. They really need to improve defense which Walker will give them.
YourDreamGM
All 3 those guys would. Good gloves. I’d be thrilled with any of them.
myaccount2
That’s a lot of money.
YourDreamGM
Gotta spend $ to make $ unless you don’t spend $ and just collect revenue sharing.
hoof hearted
Could have had:Barnes, bregman and teo.
Cave
Austin Barnes my goat
kinkykontrol
Lmao. That was quick.
YourDreamGM
They still can have bregman and teo. Not sure about barnes though.
86mets
Who says they’re out on Burnes? Or Alonso? If Stearns wants Burnes, Cohen will green light that too. You underestimate Cohens desire to build a championship team.
txman22
They still need pitching if they’re going to get to the WS let alone win it. Yanks didn’t win it with Soto & Judge & perhaps a better staff than Mets.
outinleftfield
With Soto the Mets are at $251 million CBT payroll. That is $105 million less than last season.
outinleftfield
Burnes? $36 million AAV. Bregman? $26-28 million AAV. Hernandez? $20 million AAV. You are at $82 million AAV or more.
ReyDay
For Total money yes but for AAV they will prob be in the 80+MM range
hoof hearted
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Burnes
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Cohen's _Wallet
Oooooooooooooojhhhhhhhhhh
Bucket Number Six
Is that the sound of the cash being sucked out of the wallet?
tjmacari
I wouldn’t even give Soto $500MM, he doesn’t play defense, he is a 3 tool player. Yankees can do more with $760MM
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Ditto for the Red Sox..
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lfcredsox
yeah, the Yankees dodged a bullet there, as did my Sox, and any team not called the mets
kzw
@TJ…what’s the 3rd tool? Hit, Power, then??
JackStrawb
That’s power and OBP. His avg since the start of 2022 is .269.
Pads Fans
Hitting, Hitting for power, Fielding, Throwing, and Running are the 5 tools. Soto has shown hitting, hitting for power, and throwing (arm strength and accuracy).
He is about league average on defense in RF. Not good, but not terrible either.
His issue on defense is range.
RussianFemboy
@tj
5 time SS winner as a 26yo.
he’s a top 5 player in baseball.
Raymond Flagstaff
cope harder bros!
Niekro floater
Hot stove should loosen up now since 1st domino fell. Teo just got more expensive.
Bucket Number Six
The hot stove was loose already. Players are going like hotcakes. Get ’em now before they’re gone.
goob
Loose cakes and falling dominoes – heads up everybody!!
Raymond Flagstaff
A lot of Sourdough going around too
courville123
That’s a lot of Sodough
Simm
Good one
YanksPhan42
For that completely insane deal…..I’m GLAD my Yankees passed!
Now go sign Corbin Burnes and Santander, trade for Bellinger and polish off the pen.
Cohen's _Wallet
Yanks came in 2nd, i sane deal either way. Double edged sword. The prize is the prize
Baseball dude
Actually yanksphan42, you would have been jumping for joy if the Yankees kept him.
YanksPhan42
Actually, if you reread my post, I meant what I said. Steinbrenner doesn’t have the unlimited pockets of Cohen and we have many holes to fill. It’s stupid money I’d rather see spread out…..just like any intelligent Yankees fan.
YourDreamGM
Yankees could have afforded him. Would have been a awful contract though. Hopefully they were just bidding him up and not that serious about actually signing him. I have my doubts though. I think they wanted him.
Scott Costello
Spreading out that money never works out. You end up vastly over paying for mid tier free agents because you are desperate. Those are the contracts that kill uou because those players typically play poorly or decline quickly.
DJ, Rizzo, Rodon, Stanton, Chapman just to name a few. Give me the sure fire superstar @ crazy money over spreading the money around.
stingray23
The Yankees didn’t pass. They got passed on.
Big whiffa
Passed lol. They got beat out by the Mets. Soto clearly didn’t want to play for Yankees
YanksPhan42
He took the highest bid and Cohen doesn’t care about the money like Hank does. AGAIN, for the 12 year olds on here that can’t read…..any intelligent Yankees fan is HAPPY we didn’t pay this. Too many holes to fill to spend it all on one guy.
Big whiffa
It was the same money and same city. What’s 300k a year out of 50 mil + ? They pay more in penalties on his salary than that.
It’s not a big deal and you’ll be a better man living in the truth of it. No one wants to play for my team, the reds lol. Just is what it is
YanksPhan42
Once again since you obviously started following baseball an hour ago……
Yankees have holes at 1B, 2B, LF, SP and the pen…..and Hal has a hard cap UNLIKE COHEN on the Mets. Can’t fill all of those holes spending stupid money on ONE GUY. I LOVE Soto!! But with our parameters….would NOT make sense.
Are you in there yet?
Boodge106
The Yankees offered $760 million for 16 years. They didn’t pass. They gunned hard for him and they didn’t get him. You can argue about the ways to construct a team, but you can’t say the Yankees passed. They clearly wanted him very badly too.
YanksPhan42
It was rumored they had a chance to match. So YES, they passed.
Nothing to do with MY point which is that Yankees fans would rather them spread that money out to fill multiple needs! Not sure how many freakin ways I need to say it on here.
Scott Costello
It’s funny. We will spread that money out by over paying some declining vets or average player off a good year. Then have an 84 win season and say …”All we need is that one Superstar to go with Judge and we could have won it all!”
That super star was in our grasp and let him go.
Pads Fans
Cohen was given the opportunity to match. Not Hal. that has been widely reported.
Pads Fans
The Yankees bid $5 million less than the Mets and Soto knew what their organization and players were like because he spent a year as a Yankee. $5 million didn’t make the difference in what team he chose to play with for the next 15 years.
Yankee Clipper
Brother, I think you have a valid perspective on that money for Soto, but honestly, Cohen was more committed. He’s fine with personally financing some of the operating costs.
Hat tip to the Mets – their owner stopped at nothing to get the guy they feel they needed.
The *only positive* for me is that I got another FA prediction correct.
YanksPhan42
We know Hal cares about the lux tax unlike Cohen. We have holes to fill at 1B, 2B, LF, a co-ace for Cole and rounding out the pen. Soto would have shot that whole load. At THAT money with Hal’s parameters…..we’re MUCH better off spreading it around……as long as Cashman actually DOES it….and does it intelligently!!
Make Corbin Burnes a priority. Trade for Bellinger. Sign Alonso or Santander depending on the $$.
Jazz, Judge, Bellinger, Alonso, Martian, Stanton, Wells, Volpe and Durbin is enough offense, IF……
Cole, Burnes, Gil, Rodon and Schmidt are the 5.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, you’re right. What makes me nervous is Cashman doing it well, honestly. He’s rather overpay for a mid-tier guy than adequately pay for a top-tier guy (Cole the obvious exception).
We shouldn’t have needed Soto because we should’ve had Harper. Ugh, he pisses me off!
Unclemike1526
If the Yankees are truly interested in Bellinger, It frightens me to think of what Cashman and Hoyer together can come up with. Or down with. I’m getting a drink.
Scott Costello
That offense has 4 200 k guys in it! We’ve seen that show before and it was brutal to watch
User 3240017344
I love how you extoll the virtues of 16yrs 760m but 15rs 765m is like totes stupid
YanksPhan42
Says the 13 year old girl who said, “totes”.
Just wow.
User 3240017344
You’re totes crying more than a 13 year old girl lmao
ReyDay
They didn’t pass lol they got outbid. Y’all trying to twist it Yankees went all the way to try and get him. Soto passed on you guys not the other way around.
Yankee Clipper
You’re correct. Honestly, I can’t even be upset with Hal or the Yankees. They offered $765MM reportedly, which is waaaaaaay above what I thought they’d do (I figured around $685 or so).
But, Cohen was more committed to getting him. Yanks put their best foot forward and Cohen doubled down and got the girl. Good on the Mets, they got a good one.
Bivouac-Sal
classy as always Clip
Scott Costello
The Scary and upsetting part is, the Yankees best foot just doesn’t get it done anymore. Hal, Cash and Boone need to go. They are sucking the life out of this organization.
stymeedone
The Yankees didn’t pass. Soto passed on the Yankees..
johncoltrane
YESSSSSSSS
YESSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSS
YESSSS
OMG YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
metsfan1992
Am I tripping? lol
niel.marshal
For 765M, you can sign Burnes, Max Fried, Flaherty, Adames (If he not sign with the SF), Teoscar and stil probably have 100M left
rct
No, you can’t. It’s $51 million per season. You can’t get more than two of those guys for that AAV.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
You can if you defer money like dodgers did on ohtani
Mynameisnoname
Not for 51 mil a year you couldn’t.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
If you defer money on them you could
spooky
Players have to accept deferred money, you live in fairytale land. It’s $51 per year, like rct said you can’t sign 2 of those guys for that AAV
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So, if players accept deferred money, you could sign them for the same aav. Hey thanks for proving my point.
Bizzle
No dude. The net present value still counts against the cap. So Ohtani’s $70M per still counts as $46M per against the cap, because that is the net present value due to inflation and opportunity cost of not being able to invest the money currently.
You’re not going to get those players to accept deals that are worth so little in net present dollar value. Why would a guy worth $26-35M in today’s dollars on the open market accept a deal that is only worth $17M/per in today’s money? Would you accept that? Would your sophisticated agent advise you against accepting that?
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So, if they did accept, they’d be able to sign them for the same aav. Hey thanks for proving my point.
outinleftfield
Burnes – $36 million
Fried – $26-28 million
Flaherty – $24-25 million
Adames – $26 million
Hernandez – $20 million
You are at $130 million AAV.
HopefulTwinsFan
The first billion dollar professional sports contract might be closer than we realize.
unpaidobserver
There arent many times guys on a HOF trajectory sign at age 25 tho…
metsin4
I’m sure Mbape could if he wanted it.
YourDreamGM
Ready for billion in 2 years. Just need someone good enough, young enough, who refuses to sign extension.
ayrbhoy
The best Footballers in Europe have already eclipsed that. Cristiano Ronaldo has made over a Billion. He made nearly $300M just in 2024 alone
Lanidrac
But was that American dollars or Euros?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Dang. Not shocked. Steve Cohen was always going to top whatever the second highest bid was by like $50M and that’s exactly what happened.
Cohen's _Wallet
@ Trillion
Not by 50, by 5.
Still chose Mets, one would say Yankees offer was better. You decide… either way…..
Melvino
Having to shave daily can be a nuisance
mactds
Oof!
trashtalker4life
Suddenly that ohtani deal looks like a steal
Led Hoyer
Big time!
Big whiffa
It was a steal last offseason
JackStrawb
It really doesn’t, in this context. The most valuable years a player has to see are typically his age 25-29 seasons. Ohtani had just one of those to sell.
Clofreesz
On the bright side, Pete Alonso, Sean Manaea, J.D. Martinez, Jesse Winker, Jose Quintana, and the others will be available.
bloomquist4hof
Alonso and Boras have to be salivating at the prices this off season.
JackStrawb
Anyone who signs Alonso deserves what they get.
bloomquist4hof
I could see Alonso getting nearly double what he’s actually worth as a free agent. The 200m that got floated a while back is absolutely insane even in this market. I don’t think he gets that far but is a good chance he either gets grossly overpaid or maybe goes into spring without a contract. If I was the decision maker couldn’t see going past 4/100 on him and good chance he exceeds that by alot.
Biggie22
Winker>Soto
J/K…. Great signing; congrats Mets!!!
YourDreamGM
For the Pirates he is at least.
Salzilla
W T F
Failure.
Deflated.
But hey we got money to burn now, get some big names, Yanks, and change our moods.
Enjoy, Mets!
LarryJ4
Lmfao the teams defense went from bad to worse! And walks won’t make up for the runs lost on defense. That outfield defense is HORRIBLE.
tuck 2
He should be a DH no doubt
metsin4
Led the league in putouts, fielding percentage and Assists for a right fielder but he’s horrible because trolls say so.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
You conveniently ignore his minus stats in Outs above Average and Defensive runs Saved. He is a joke in the outfield.
metsin4
Yes I take this with a grain of salt when he got to more balls( leading the league in put outs) while doing it with the highest fielding percentage and threw out the most baserunners.
Pads Fans
What is a joke is not understanding what the numbers mean.
Soto’s -1 DRS means he is just slightly under average. He is not like Schwarber who had a -29 in LF the last time he played there or Castellanos who had a -75 DRS career and -11 last season in RF.
OAA only represents a players range. nothing else. Yes, Soto has poor range.
Statcast says Soto has a 90th percentile arm value. In case you don’t know, that is really good.
revolver
Lol fielding pct. Everyone in the world runs on him that’s why he piles up assists and po’s. He’s a negative value defender and baserunner.
Lanidrac
Fielding percentage is a joke stat for outfielders, since official scorers never charge them errors on missed catches when they should, except occasionally when they actually touch the ball with their gloves before it hits the ground.
As Revolver mentioned, the assists are highly misleading.
As for the putouts, how many other players in the NL played RF for almost every game? Try comparing him in putouts per inning of defense at any OF position (not just RF)..
JackStrawb
@metsin4 “Fielding percentage.” Ewwww.
metsin4
Well I look at everything as every stat has a purpose. I’m not naive enough to stop looking at basic stats because someone come up with a new one.
Bizzle
Mets defense in Right Field was pretty terrible last year for most of the year and they were 2 games away from the WS. Soto’s -0.9 dWAR is pretty much average defense for RF, if you look at how that stat is adjusted for positional value.
JackStrawb
Except that’s not how it works.
outinleftfield
Mets RF defense just went from -1 DRS/-8 FRV to -1 DRS/-2 FRV. They just improved slightly. That isn’t saying Soto is good, he is just better than anyone not named Taylor to start a game in RF for the Mets last year.
Boodge106
The Mets have two elite CF’s, and a very good defensive LF in Nimmo. Not sure what your angle is here…
theruns
They just acquired one of the best defensive OF on the planet (Siri), it’s almost as if they have a plan!
J. Carrillo
765m to still lose to the dodgers in the NLDS lmao
unglar
That is a huge blow to the Yankees. They can’t even keep their own talent and they pass on all the other talent over the years like Freeman, Seager, Turner, etc.
Unbelievable failure on behalf of Hal, who should be admonished and humiliated for letting someone so pivital to the only world series the team made in 15 years.
I hope all you “hes not worth it” idiots are happy.
BaseballClassic1985
This idiot is very happy. Soto is as overrated as Harper. Yanks avoided a disastrous contract and can now go after multiple players with their $
rct
“Soto is as overrated as Harper.”
Harper is… great? I think any Phillies fan out there would tell you that Harper is awesome and has embodied the spirit of Philadelphia. He’s even made a Mets fan like me become a fan of his.
YourDreamGM
A+ pass for Yankees. A+ for bidding him up. This would have been a awful contract for them.
Salzilla
Absolutely a huge failure for the Yanks, especially going to the Mets. But as much as I’m deflated, I’m sorta elated as well to the possibilities of spreading that money around to some other big names that may overall help even more.
No doubt, though, Hal and Cashman need to look in the mirror and question why Soto left. They should also be called out harshly by the proper critics. And if they can’t get multiple big names and turn around this disaster, then at the very least Cashman needs to go and a rethink on the whole philosophy of this organization needs to change.
There needs to be big answer to this signing, and needs to happen ASAP.
unglar
Ruined my whole week. I can only listen to sports radio that has Yankees fans venting my rage, I can’t stand the idea of having to listen to Mets fans celebrating on the corpse of the Yankees championship hopes 2025. I don’t see how you spend 51 mil a year to get that much value. People will say you spread it out but they miss the point that when you have Soto you still get quality players at 1b/3b whose value is added to the team ft Soto.
Honestly, I don’t see us staying in line with the Orioles or any of the big NL teams. Wild card situation probably.
Salzilla
I’m more optimistic than that. We made to the WS not just because of Soto. We had 760 million to spend that we most likely will invest elsewhere now. I’m also not 100% sure what the cost of Soto would have done to the rest of this offseason. There’s plenty of ways avenues to explore and we’ll more easily do it now. Chin up, let your fellow New Yorkers enjoy, and take solace that we won’t have to find out how bad that contract will end up being for them.
unglar
*Dries Tears* If the pivot is strong it won’t hurt so bad. If they manage to grab Bellinger for first, Bregman for third and a pitcher who can be a #2 or 3, and maybe trade Nestor or Stroman for some CF help it won’t be so bad.
I could cope with:
Jazz-2b
Judge-RF
Bregman-3B
Stanton-DH
Bellinger-1B/CF
Dominguez-LF
Wells-C
Volpe-SS
?-CF/1b
Grisham and Cabrera on the bench?
BLIN7Y
Pretty obvious, Soto was going for the Biggest Payday. The Yanks showed they were for Real.
Salzilla
Agreed, I’m also happy he went for the most money, kinda showed me all I needed to know about his character. Peace out!
Killer of Ignorance
Your perception of reality is really, really awful. Your hatred of the Yankees has the result of you looking like an idiot. A Yankee-hating idiot. You can’t talk baseball in an honest, objective fashion. All you can do is make poor, juvenile. misguided attempts to badmouth the Yankees. but you can’t even do that in an intelligent manner. Give it up man.
Salzilla
Who are you talking to exactly? I see zero Yankees hate in anything anyone is saying under this post?
If you’re talking to me, I’m even more baffled as I’m a huge Yankees fan and have been all my life, lol, and talk about almost everything here at MLBTR with a Yankees slant to it.
Unless you’re talking to someone that I blocked, then have at it, but I got the notification so…
unglar
Ditto. Very confused by the killer of ignorance
stymeedone
He was never”their own talent”. He was a rental.
Salzilla
Costly rental, unfortunately.
taco guy
Ridiculous
kzw
Insanity.
settledownitsjustagame
Will probably fall off a horse next year.
theknuckler
Hahaha
Mikenmn
Yes, a huge overpay. But yes, the man can hit, hit, and hit some more.
YourDreamGM
Fair contract for Mets.
This one belongs to the Reds
The last 7-8 years of that deal will not age well.
You hear it all the time at the end with the long deals of Pujols, Cabrera, Votto, etc. and they were a lot shorter.
SFBay314
Insane. Yankees look terrible on this. Good luck Mets
BaseballClassic1985
No they don’t. They look smart for staying away from a ridiculous contract.
kinkykontrol
Easy to say after they lose the bidding war, which they were finalists in lol
metsin4
They didn’t shy away from a ridiculous contract. They were driving a brinks truck to his house too.
BaseballClassic1985
Wait until you see what you received for $765 million. You’ll be wishing Cohen hadn’t signed him. He’s awful on the bases and in the outfield. But go ahead and enjoy the monent
stingray23
What are you talking about? They didn’t stay away from anything. They offered the guy 16 years and $760 million. They didn’t stay away from anything. He chose to go to the Mets. He chose to leave the Yankees.
Raymond Flagstaff
Little yankee fans will be feeling how little I felt when arod went to nyy
Astros_fan_in_Aus
They didn’t stay away they were outbid.
BaseballClassic1985
Either way, I’m glad he’s not a Yankee.
outinleftfield
The Yankees bid over $700 million for Soto. That they went that far and missed on a player who played a full year in their organization means they look bad.
BaseballClassic1985
No it doesn’t. Soto would’ve signed with the Yankees if they offered $1 more than the Mets. Hal made an – in my opinion – insane bid and thankfully lost.
Blue Baron
BaseballClassic: Yes it does. He rejected the Yankees and all their history hoopla for the Mets. No significant player that both teams wanted has done that before.
BaseballClassic1985
The Yankees haven’t signed every player they’ve ever wanted. That’s a false premise. Hal made a ridiculous bid for Soto. Cohen was not going to be outbid and Soto would’ve signed with the Mets for $1 more than Steinbrenner offered.
Blue Baron
BaseballClassic: cbssports.com/mlb/news/juan-soto-rejected-the-yank…
Boodge106
They didn’t stay away. They offered $760 million and came in second place.
BaseballClassic1985
I’m glad they did. I wouldn’t even have offeredSoto Judge money. Yanks are better off without him in the long run
Killer of Ignorance
When it comes to looking bad, the Giants have no equal.
oldgfan
Except your mom.
shark stitches
Boomroasted
twozero6ix
They did the thing!!
jaydizzy
holy Moley
cgallant
cgallant
(Puke-face emoji)
getrealgone2
HAAHAHAH
Moneyballer
That owner is NUTS! I love it.
RegularEd 2
Anthony Santander to the Yankees in 3….2….
BaseballClassic1985
Hopefully Santander, Walker and Fried
Shawn W.
Teoscar Hernandez
BaseballClassic1985
I’ll take either
BaseballClassic1985
Thank you for saving the Yankees from that ridiculous contract, Mr. Cohen.
Cashman, let’s get some free agents to balance this Yankee team. Glad Soto is gone.
jyosuckas
Sound bitter
Raymond Flagstaff
A lot of people really salty, envy is very ugly
BaseballClassic1985
Not bitter, I just have a brain that uses common sense. The contract is laughable for a one-dimensional player like Soto, but all the fantasy league dbags on this site wouldn’t understand what it takes to put together an entire MLB team.
Raymond Flagstaff
Oh you have a brain that uses common sense! well where is it in the fridge? “One dimensional” its called hitter, its half the game. You better get that brain out of cold storage
theruns
The owner has 21 billion dollars lol.
This is pocket change for him, in the grand scheme of things.
You can find lots of people to “run the bases”, play a plus OF, etc.
They are paying him because what he does is beyond elite, and the notion that adding a player to your lineup who is only 26 years old and puts up absurd numbers driven by generational plate discipline (which ages very well) is absurd.
In short, Steve Cohen can easily afford a player like Soto, and unlike other organizations it will not even come close to impacting how their front office builds the rest of the roster.
He has infinite money.
Not saying it’s right or wrong, good for the game, or whatever…. just saying he’s playing with Monopoly money at this point and this is basically a toy for him.
And he wants to win, not meddle like other owners.
Raymond Flagstaff
actually monopoly money is pretty prescient. cohen is aware the fed will eventually have to hyperinflate
Matt Nokes
lol “one dimensional.:” He’s an offensive machine with the best batting eye since Barry Bonds. I’ll take that dimension — it’s by far better than anything the Yankees have going forward. I’m a Yankees fan — Steve Cohen is our Daddy and what’s going to follow is that instead of paying a a 26-year-old stud, they’re going to give out 9-figure deals to past-their-prime pitchers over age 30 and maybe a Bregman or Santander who aren’t half the player Soto is.
BaseballClassic1985
He is one-dimensional. He can hit at an excellent clip. He’s God awful in the outfield and on the bases. That’s the definition of one-dimensional.
“Steve Cohen is our daddy.” Lol Throwing massive money at players guarantees nothing. How did Cohen signing Scherzer and Verlander for $86.6 per year work out for the Mets?
Everybody is knee-jerking over the Soto deal. History has shown getting the biggest free agent doesn’t win you anything.
How many championships have the Phillies won since they signed Harper? Or San Diego since giving massive contracts to Machado, Tatis and Boegarts? Exactly
Raymond Flagstaff
sorry but i had to stop reading. I can’t waste my time reading someone who thinks the best hitter in baseball is worth calling ‘one dimensional’ it just demonstrates such ignorance about baseball
theruns
The Dodgers just bought their WS.
The balance in the league is horrible and will only get worse, but it is what it is. The teams that spend will be winning the titles moving forward.
And again, Cohen is not a capricious, meddling owner. From the beginning he has stressed that he wants to do it the right way, from the ground up, and maintain an elite pipeline of player development like the Dodgers have done.
He just really wanted Juan Soto, because of his age, and because of what he does.
Raymond Flagstaff
Rangers won the previous one…. everyone is so frantic now because the mets finally made a splash sigining
Raymond Flagstaff
he is not god awful in the OF thats just you being bitter and letting it color everything you say. Max and Justin worked out fine, they replenished our minors.
you don’t seem to know what youre talking about and are just really bitter.
no one thinks a FA acquisition guarantees you win the WS. Thats a straw man for your bitter attacks
Butter Biscuits
Good heavens $765 lol
goob
It’s 2, 2, 2 Trouts in one!
CentralFan71
Congrats Mets. Big signing for you but I am SOOOOO glad my Cubs didn’t sign him. What a talent he is but that is a HUGE financial commitment that would have made it impossible for the Cubs to address their other areas of need. Simply a luxury they couldn’t afford. Cohen CAN afford this and just put his money where his mouth is. Great for baseball.
Cmurphy
Cubs could afford it but glad they didn’t. A great hitter but his fielding is suspect IMHO. And 15 years? Not sure that contract is going to age well.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
More than suspect, it is terrible.
YourDreamGM
Cubs fans pay to watch any product so need for them to buy the best players.
stymeedone
When only 5 of 30 teams are able to bid in that price range, it just highlights the unequal playing field, and is not great for baseball.
dodgersfan445
Massive overpay, ohtani and judge are worth more imo. A top player in baseball no doubt, but 765 is way too much
metsin4
Soto will be good well past those twos dramatic declines.
OnMy11Six
Judge worth more lol
YourDreamGM
Ohtani wanted to stay on west coast especially LA. Judge wanted to go back to NY. If not Mets probably would rather have them.
JackStrawb
Interesting. So do you sign Judge and Ohtani for $45m more tha Soto, total?
radhippo
Ridiculous
yanksfan2010
As a lifelong Yankees fan, glad the Yankees did not sign him for that kind of contract. They can use that money and get several players.
unglar
and still be worse.
JackStrawb
@unglar True, that. In the short term the Yankees are likely to be worse. Soto’s 6-7 wins in 2025 will be difficult to come by unless the Yankees are willing to get that by signing two or more players to a $50m AAV.
Soto’s hardly irreplaceable, but he’s a fairly sure thing for the next 4-5 years.
YourDreamGM
Lot of Yankees fans saying this. Not many would say wish we didn’t get this guy if they got him.
spodymoe67
Does this means that the Bobby Bonilla contract is finally done
Longboy
Inflation is real
positively_broad_st
The front half of this deal will be great for the Mets. The back half…not so much.
Bizzle
He’ll opt out after year 5 anyway
Lanidrac
Yeah, but Cohen will probably void opt-out and make the deal even worse.
Sk8
How good will he be? He won’t have much protection in that lineup.
metsin4
That’s ridiculous. They scored the 7th most runs in baseball and just added a top 5 hitter.
txman22
Yes they do need to give him protection in the order. They don’t have a Judge. Maybe Lindor.
Maybe Vientos if he’s the real thing. If Alonso isn’t signed then go after Bregman for 3B & Vientos to 1B.
TB Sox NY
So much for being a potential Yankee Legend.I guess hitting in front of Judge wasn’t good enough.
i like al conin
The Yankee mystique isn’t what it once was.
Led Hoyer
He did just get 765 million reasons to leave. He can be a Mets legend now.
Raymond Flagstaff
5 mil higher than yankee mystique
Killer of Ignorance
As a Yankee fan, I can’t deny that. But I feel like we just dodged a bullet having Soto go to the Mets. Good thing the NL has the DH now.
metsin4
He’s the biggest Yankee legend of all now. The one that left for greener pastures.
Reynaldo's
Why would he want to be under Judge’s shadow?
Raymond Flagstaff
Wind break
melfman1
As a Yankees fan, good riddance! He’s not worth that, as a below average fielder. Move Judge back to Right Field, and get a CF.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@melf
they have a CF in Dominguez. They need a LF. I would like Jurickson Profar.
ohmy
Holy chit. And low intellect people were talking about an overpay for Adames, which it wasn’t, BUT THIS is a humongous overpay. WOW.
YourDreamGM
Not overpay. Fair pay
❤️ MuteButton
If they don’t win a championship… goodness.
And if they do, who cares? They should win one with that payroll.
Killer of Ignorance
The Met’s have a long way to go, a very long way mind you, before they catch up to the Dodgers.
Cohen's _Wallet
@ Killer
Only the Mets?
Raymond Flagstaff
I care lol. Whag a dum coment
tuck 2
I think this is a bad day for baseball. $765 million and 15 years for a one dimensional player. I wonder what reinsurance company took the injury policy.
goob
When you’re worth $20+Billion, you can afford to self-insure.
Lanidrac
He’s only one-dimensional if you consider being an amazing all-around hitter to be a single dimension.
LostYankeeinexile
@Pads fan … ehhh not so sure about the throw tool. You watched him with Padres I saw him with the Yanks… his arm was average at best IMO. Probably the best LH hitter we’ve ever seen…. But tools wise it’ more like a 2.5 out of 5 by my eyes
Pads Fans
3 tools out of 5. Hit, hit for power, throw.
He doesn’t run well or play plus defense, mostly because of poor range due to not running well.
Scott Kliesen
A not zero percent chance Soto will earn more in next 15 years than every Pirates player over the same time frame.
Nah, baseball doesn’t have an economics issue.
metsin4
If Skenes doesn’t get injured he will make more then that.
good vibes only
lol. Not for the Pirates he won’t.
Also, that’s not a bet I’d take. Soto debuted way earlier and thus hit FA at a way younger age than Skenes will. Soto’s career earnings will be way higher than Skenes regardless of injury.
metsin4
Elite pitchers make a higher AAV salary than anyone. He will crush that if he stays healthy.
Scott Kliesen
Pirates will trade him long before he gets expensive. Sad, but true. Just look at how they dealt with Cole for evidence supporting my statement.
metsin4
Well they would need to look at trading him before arbitration years. He will be smashing arbitration records. I think even the Pirates would pay him. He will be an attraction and money maker more then his high salary.
Pads Fans
LOL. I went to a game at PNC when Skenes pitched at the end of August vs the Cubs. Attendance was 12k and I bought a ticket 7 rows behind the 1B dugout for $5 day of game I hope for the Pirates sake that fans start coming out when he pitches.
metsin4
Wow. Might have to take a trip to Pittsburg this year.
rct
You think the Pirates are going to run a $51 million payroll every year over the next 15 years?
IsIt2025Already?
twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1865962508969988…
Pads Fans
The Pirates payroll has been above $51 million every season since 2012. I think you are safe saying its a zero chance.
Poolhalljunkies
Cant wait to see what yankees and red sox do with the extra money
goob
Extra money can be such a burden. I’d be happy to hold it for them…’till figure things out.
hllywdjff
I had 15/725…Good job Soto!!
mbreslow77
Over/Under World Series victories 3?
ohyeadam
Easy under
burrwick
Way under….zero.
VonPurpleHayes
Definitely under 3, but that’s just playing the odds. Mets will be competitive throughout.
Killer of Ignorance
Under. Way under. The Mets still have more holes than the Yankees. Alonso’s asking price just went over 200 mil.
JackStrawb
It really didn’t, Ignorance.
RHH 30 yo bad 1Bmen didn’t just see a friendly market correction. I’ll be impressed if Alonso has more than 1 season where he’s worth a lineup spot.
LostYankeeinexile
Congrats Mets. With Ohtani being both an effective SP AND a hell of a hitter… I don’t know why Soto got this crazy deal, but kudos to Boras. This is nuts!
Killer of Ignorance
I wonder what % Boras gets? The owners must despise him.
LostYankeeinexile
I think agents get a minimum 10-20 percent of the contract sooo yikes!
Poolhalljunkies
Mlb agents take 3-4% of contract and signing bonus
YourDreamGM
Ohtani took a big discount or Mets Jays are stupid. Maybe combination of both.
goob
I’d guess it’s a bit lower rate than he usually gets – and it will still be the biggest single windfall ever for Boras Corp.
outinleftfield
Ohtani has not been an effective SP for the Dodgers, he will miss the start of the 2025 season as a SP, not many come back from a 2nd TJ to be effective – I think I read that 3 out of 56 SP, and he will be 31 before the end of this season.
LostYankeeinexile
Luis Gil had double TJ and just won ROY so it’s very possible… and he’s not Ohtani lol Still point well taken.
JackStrawb
Do you really not know how the aging curve in baseball works?
LostYankeeinexile
Tell that aging curve to Nolan Ryan…Greg Maddux. Yes players get worse with age generally, but there are special exceptions too. How long have Scherzer and Verlander been elite? Soto and Ohtani COULD be special or COULDd breakdown and fall apart. We don’t know, but taken as equal risk… which one will do more for your team? A SP that mashes from the DH spot and takes the ball every 5th day, or a RF that’s an on base machine with meh defense and pretty good pop to his bat?
THEY LIVE!!!
LMAO at the Mets!!!!
❤️ MuteButton
Truly
Shawn W.
new nickname: $51 million dollar Man (per year)
goob
New name for the ballpark: Area 51M
VonPurpleHayes
Lol. Shocking no one. 765 is insanity, but congrats Mets fans.
Jackalopal
Alonso to the Yankees let’s make this a rivalry!
Killer of Ignorance
No thanks. Alonso can’t field very well. Christian Walker please.
Mynameisnoname
Yanks plan B time. One of Burnes or Fried and go from there.
I think Teoscar is riskier than people are stating. Rather not pay 6 years to a 32 year old. Prefer they go for Santander.
Poolhalljunkies
Lol same plan b as red sox lets get it on!
casualfan
Holy cow! That is….well….it’s a thing. That’s for sure. I am glad the Red Sox can now focus on getting some SP.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Can I really say “I’m mad my team didn’t offer a mlb player 3/4 of a billion dollars?
Motor City Beach Bum
And then they will miss the playoffs!
fathead0507
All that to finish 3rd every yr in the division..
VonPurpleHayes
Nah. Cohen isn’t going to let off the gas. Phillies window is 2-3 years. Braves lost some talent, but are certainly a threat and will be healthier. The Mets are right there with them now, and will surpass the Phils as the Phils age up over the nexr 2 years. 2023 was really the Phillied chance and they choked it away.
fathead0507
A healthy Braves team would have won the division again.. Mets don’t develop any pitching either.. they sign Montas and Holmes.. that ain’t cutting it
JackStrawb
The Mets are barely a .500 team even now. They’ll need to add another 8-9 wins to make 90-72 their median in 2025.
Philliesin4
I’m sad.
Stealing Signs
I’ve always had a soft spot for the Mets, If my Jays couldn’t land him, I’m glad it was them. Congratulations Mets fans.
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
So over under the BOOS he’ll receive when back at Yankee Stadium will be world record worthy?
metsin4
No their will be more Met fans their then Yankee fans.
Motor City Beach Bum
Soto likes golf right 😉
❤️ MuteButton
This should mean Bregman’s up next
mlbnyyfan
Yankees need to sign both Burnes and Fried now. No excuses
Jump 84
Good for Soto. Mets still have to win.
cencal
Yep, I have always said that Soto is worth twice the price of Mookie!
eyeroll like a 13 year old girl
cwsOverhaul
Yeah-timing is everything.
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
Ok I expect at least an equal amount of hate from non mets fans that dodgers been getting lately. ‘Don’t let me down!’ -John Lennon
Chris G.
Yankees offered $760 mill over 16 years and he chose the better team.
Donald J
He chose the team with the most likely candidates to be playing in Mexico next year
Killer of Ignorance
Thank God the Yankees didn’t sign him for close to that amount. If their final offer had been accepted they would have paid approx. 16/760. and then would have scrounged around to fill other areas of need. The Yanks should be a better, more balanced team with Soto gone. Meanwhile, Soto will never have the same protection than he had with Judge. His stats will slip playing half his games in pitcher friendly Queens. His suspect fielding will be more exposed having to cover more ground at Citi-Field as opposed to the short porch at Yankee Stadium. I can’t wait to hear why he chose the Mets when the offers were so close. Was it Boras? Did Soto not like playing 2nd fiddle to Judge? He’ll be the man playing for the Mets, no doubt about that. But he’ll be stuck there for the next 5 years. Watching Soto’s interviews, he always seemed like he wasn’t the sharpest pencil in the cup. This proves it.
Killer of Ignorance
Talk is cheap.
sadmarinersfan
HOLY
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Peter Seidler totally would have had the Padres spend this much to keep Soto.
Riiight.
HiredGun23
I dig it…hahahahha
Waymann
O’s fan here so I’m certainly glad to see him heading to the other East division. Those 2025 Subway series games are going to be great too.
I know this has to sting for the Yankees fans but I’m hopeful for their sake they spread some of that Soto money around instead. They make a few signings like Christian Walker and Santander and they’ve got a decent middle order all of the sudden. Going to get that comp pick too. Won’t be top of the draft but won’t be a nothing pick either.
rct
A lot of money and seems a tad odd that Cohen would be willing to go here for Soto but apparently not for Ohtani.
At any rate, as a Mets fan, I am excited.
VonPurpleHayes
I think he sensed that Ohtani never really wanted to play in NY while Soto was going wherever paid him more.
Congrats, rct. I hate the Mets. I hate this contract, but I also don’t think this will be an albatross because Cohen is a freak. Mets are scary.
rct
Thanks, Von. The lineup looks pretty good right now. Just need to figure out the first base issue and another starter and it’ll be a clogged NL East. Braves will be great as always, Phillies are very good, Nats are up and coming. Excited for the rest of the offseason. Best of luck.
Cardinalsfan4ever
Stupid…..
DigglinDickers
None of his career numbers says he’s worth that much money.
b00giem@n
And the Mets will still underperform
Goose
Remember when Yankees fans said Soto wouldn’t be a rental and he would be signed guaranteed. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
New York radio is going to be an AWESOME listen this week.
goob
Stuff it Pepperidge Farm.
ocladfan
FRL
This is like the original A-Rod deal, hard to comprehend even though we’re more desensitized now to crazy salaries.
NicoHoerndawg
Lololololing at the Yankees being just a little too cheap. If I weren’t just too used to my rich team being cheap I’d be crying too.
BigRedMachine
$765 MILLION. and 15 years is Pure Insanity. He will also be 41 years old when all is said and done…..
Does this mean that the Mets are not going to sign Jesse Winker?
outinleftfield
The final season will be at age 40. He won’t be 41 until after the season is over unless the Mets are in the WS that season.
BigRedMachine
My bad
THEY LIVE!!!
Everybody except the Mutz dodged the most horrible contract in the history of sports.
Miken31
They Live:
That doesn’t matter when your owner is Steve Cohen. He has money like no other owner in baseball. Most owners wouldn’t choose to spend a whole lot after this. Cohen doesn’t care. This is not his business. This is his toy. So who cares if it’s an overpay or whatever people want to say. it only matters if he’s going to stop spending. Which he won’t.
VonPurpleHayes
I wonder if baseball eventually becomes like FIFA with Cohen battling against billionaire oil barons with limitless money and corruption.
goob
They might as well – and then they can finally drop all the pretensions about trying to achieve any real semblance of “competitive balance”…LOL!
JackStrawb
Except this is nonsensical when we saw hard limits to what Cohen has been willing to spend, every single year.
This is 15/765m NOT spent on other players.
Miken31
What hard limits every single year? The off-season was over a few years ago and he was happy to bring in Carlos Correa on a huge contract at the last minute. The only thing that nixed the contract was the medicals. The only hard line he’s had was last off-season because Stearns wanted to reset.
VonPurpleHayes
When did we see those hard limits? He was over the luxury tax twice in 3 years. He’ll likely exceed it again.
VonPurpleHayes
And they still had the highest payroll last year. Even without the dead money going to Scherzer and Verlander, they were paying a ton for multiple 1 year deals.
YourDreamGM
Mets know what they are doing
CALgoldenBears
Hope this doesn’t turn into another Bobby Bonilla 2.0 signing. If it does, Mets will be celebrating two special days of the year.
YourDreamGM
Solid contract for Mets. Would have been awful for Yankees Dodgers. Would have been solid for Boston but they are all talk as usual. Solid for Toronto but not many players want to go there. Good for Yankees to run up the price. Hopefully they didn’t actually want him at this price but who knows.
Anyways look at the Mets 2024 attendance. It’s about to go up 200 300k for 2025. Probably be reports of all the season ticket sales. So 200 300k times whats a ticket cost times how much a mets fan spends at a game times 10 12 years? People don’t get rid of their tickets unless you force them too. Mets should keep spending and trying to contend which means winning so fans will keep showing up. More playoff games means much more $. More advertising. More sponsors. Sell radio rights. Tv rights coming up in 10 years. That’s why I always had the Mets #1 and why he went there. They paid the most because he was most valuable to them. He single handedly just made them hundreds of millions.
Moneyballer
Yeah it only took 3/4 of a billion to make a few hundred million.
YourDreamGM
It will even out over decades. Could be a win even depending on how much winning the Mets do. Would be a huge win if he opts out.
VonPurpleHayes
It won’t be a win in terms of profit, even if the Mets win a World Series or two, but that’s why Cohen is a dangerous owner…profit isn’t his only goal.
Bobcastelliniscat
Outlook is pretty bleak for the Bronx Bombers. They are left with an expensive and aging roster. Enjoy the view from the second division. Time for a rebuild.
Fg-3
The Yankees don’t rebuild lol
Lonniemac
Money over legacy. His choice. Good luck to him bucking that Mets history.
larkraxm
Agreed. And probably not much more money. That sucks big time. I wish them nothing but the worst of luck and 15 years of mediocrity.
Reynaldo's
Do you also prioritize legacy over money in your own personal career pursuits?
Carter86
Wow of difference of 5 million. Maybe he realizes the Mets have better ownership and management. Better farm system and better chances to win than the Yankees the next decade. The new generation doesn’t care as much about old Yankee legacy. Old news
goob
Maybe he likes the idea of being free a little sooner (while getting an extra $5M to boot) to get on with the rest of his multi-billionaire life, without further obligation to any employer of any kind. He’ll be his own Steve Cohen, by then. 😉
VonPurpleHayes
The Yankees “legacy” is gone. 2009 was a long time ago. Kids don’t care. Winning with the Mets means just as much as winning with the Yankees.
Ben K
As a Mets fan Von, back in 2015 I remember all the New Yorkers who suddenly developed dual loyalties and jumped on the bandwagon.
VonPurpleHayes
I was born in a weird time when NY was a Mets town. I was a little kid for the 86 World Series, so I don’t remember it, but I remember everyone wearing Mets hats in the late 80s. Then in the 90s it slowly transitioned back into a Yankees town.
Having 2 teams in one city leads to a lot of fickle fans. It’s mostly been Yankees because they’ve been more competitive, but half those navy blue hats will turn blue and orange if the Mets get hot.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Free advice to Mets staff: If Soto comes with an interpreter, keep your eyes and ears on that guy 24/7.
Moneyballer
That is the most ignorant comment made by an sob I’ve ever read!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I concur, it was low hanging fruit and this SOB couldn’t help himself.
Ben K
an honest sob, if an ignorant one
dclivejazz
Soto doesn’t need or use an interpreter.
Nosferatu Zodd
Yankees won’t finish within 10 games of ALE for the rest of the decade.
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
I hope the jays fire sale starts tomorrow. Ridiculous ownership.
goob
Name your fire-sale price for Vlad and the Giants will generously try to help you out, Jays. Don’t mention it, you’re quite welcome.
prov356
Congrats to Soto. Passing on the Nats offer doesn’t look so crazy now.
Enrico Pallazzo
So is baseball broken? Or would that only be if Dodgers signed him?
l9ydodger
@enrico pallazzo; yeah, exactly. Where are all the BIG MONEY contract haters at now?
IsIt2025Already?
I hate the Mets and Yankees, too. They’re just not quite as good at buying teams as the LA Dollars are.
goob
Broken is one thing – immolation is another.
Chris 4597
I don’t usually do this, but I told you so.
Not only did Cohen spend the most, which was a given, but the “sell” was better than everyone else.
Good times in Met Land ladies and gents.
Reynaldo's
what is the sell for playing for Mets over the Yankees?
Chris 4597
I’m sure Juan Soto will give you the definitive answer to that over the next several weeks.
I don’t think you’re going to like what you hear…
Boodge106
The Yankees did lose all 4 games to the Mets in 2024. And the Mets played the Dodgers better than the Yankees did.
theruns
A great clubhouse? An owner with 21 billion dollars? A team that just came within 2 games of the World Series with a top 10 farm system behind it?
A lineup with more depth than the Yankees had?
lfcredsox
that is truly gross
YankeesBleacherCreature
Nooooo……
GG Mets!
Russell Branyan
@Doral Silverthorn, don’t you feel silly for being condescending now? Like I said, over 700 with little to no deferred money.
As you said “Read a little. You might learn something”
unglar
Hal Steinbrenner should be ashamed of himself. He let the most important piece of last years run in october go for money, a thing that they print. Seriously, if he is gonna say that he couldn’t afford it then he should sell the team. The Yankees are meant to be able to bully the free agent market and get their guy when they want him. Championships make money, and Juan was the only reason we got close. Judge was a post season dud and is just gonna get older. The act of buying our talent is hallmark of the Yankees. Its defined the team for decades. To let him go to the Mets is shameful.
I hope Hal nothing but the worst. When we end up with 2 reactionary terrible signings like Santander and Bregman who both are about to decline for more than Sotos yearly average, it’ll just prove he has no buisness running the team. The Yankee brand took a hit today and every fan should be furious.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@uglar but what if Soto just truly didn’t want to play for the Yankees anymore. Perhaps no amount of money could have persuaded him to stay.
unglar
If that comes out I’ll apologize, but I’d have to ask why and wonder if there are issues we need to fix in the club house if it was that unappealing. But this looks like it was over 15 million dollars or 3m/year a number they should have matched. I was thinking I’d be furious if they got outbid for offering less than 775 and sure enough, they got outbid at less than 775 and I’m furious.
For 15 years I’m going to hear about Soto anytime I listen to the sports news. It’s gonna suck for a long time.
I just wish there was some way to express my fury to Hal. He screwed up and I will be asking for him to sell to a real billionaire if he’s unable to pay players the necessary number to get them locked up.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yes you will have to deal with Soto being in the same market, but it should be a relief that he at least didn’t go to a AL East rival. As a Mariners fan, I’m pleased Soto is out of the league and out of our hair for the most part.
unglar
I listen to sports radio and I’ll hear about Soto so much more as a Met than if he were on the Red Sox. It is better for our team that he is in the NL, but the non-baseball part of the fan experience will suck.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@unglar
Hal did offer Soto $760M/16 (or $47.5M AAV). At 15 years, it’s $50.7M. Meanwhile, Cohen offered him a $4M bonus for years 6-15 to negate his ’29 opt-out.
That 15-year Mets contract will average $53.7M a season PLUS a $75M upfront signing bonus. So that’s over $6M per season that the Mets gave him. At some point, either Hal or Cohen has to blink.
I’m gonna cry myself to sleep now but it’s back to drawing board tomorrow.
ArianaGrandSlam
Now what, the Yankees sign Pete Alonso?
ohyeadam
Cohen will want all the sides with his turkey. It will be like his first offseason all over again
Moneyballer
There are rich teams and there are poor teams, then there’s 50 feet of crap, and then there’s us. It’s an unfair game!
SierraM363
This is impossible. I was told the Yankees were feeling confident and he’s really good friends with Judge.
Moneyballer
Pssh not so much!
Miken31
I had so many Yankees fans telling me that they don’t understand why Cohen having more money means that he’ll sign with the Mets. I just thought this was a logical conclusion all along. However, the Yankees did come in with a bigger offer than I would’ve thought which is pretty amazing that he ended up choosing the Mets anyway. I’m more relieved than happy right now. I think I’m in shock. I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep tonight though either. Lol.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
And the even better news is the Red Sox didn’t land him either…for a Yankees fan, that has to be a bonus…as a Mariners fan I’m happy Soto is out of the league.
Seamaholic
It’s got nothing to do with Cohen. The Mets lost a TON of salary in the past year and started the off-season at $182m. They aren’t even past the first lux tax line WITH Soto. Meanwhile, $50m for the Yankees is $100m cost to them.
dasit
gut punch
absolutely devastated
knee-jerk reaction that may change over time but he’s dead to me
Moneyballer
Im sure he’s really feeling it not having you as a fan.
dasit
go blank yourself
goob
Das it?
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpert
Huge overpay but I’m glad they got it done. This can’t be thr only big move that they made or else they are going nowhere. Was my number 1 FA for the Mets. I’m glad Steve Cohen forced Dollar Tree David to sign him
ClevelandSteelEngines
HAAHAHAHA Got to love those silly Mets
cooperhill
Not worth it. Mets should have learned their lesson by now!
Edp007
They say no deferred but the present value is not 765. 50 mill in 15 yrs is not 50 mill today. Take out your present value formulas you learnt in high school. Calculate and you’ll see.
Edp007
Roughly using 4% PV of contract I calculate ( any math people can correct me please ) about 580M present value.
Jus saying
YourDreamGM
Fake news. Blackpink said it wouldn’t even be 600m. Cant be real.
kzw
I keep waiting for him to pop in…
YourDreamGM
Possible name change. They been wrong a ton and I seen a comment that sounded like them. Hard to come back and take being reminded everyday of your track record so you start new and try again.
denistaylor
Just another Mercenary like Ohtani. Dumb move on his part to leave…
Reynaldo's
Do you also give prospective employers a discount on your own personal job hunts?
MadmanTX 2
They’re gonna wish he opts out in 2029. Mets fans can enjoy Soto and not much else.
AM21
LOL @ NY
hunteralan
Absolutely ridiculous contract for a bat only player. Poor base runner and bad defensively. Cohen better be willing to pay $400M+ in salary to be competitive.
Insane.
Seamaholic
They were competitive last year, they’ve just added one of the best players in baseball, and they still aren’t at the first tax line yet.
This was a no-brainer.
FRL
Won’t this make roster construction challenging going forward for the Mets? That’s a huge fixed cost for 15 years!
Seamaholic
Not at all. It’s $50m a year. There are plenty of $35-40m a year contracts out there. $50m is that plus a pretty decent reliever. The Mets aren’t even in the first tax bracket yet. They will spend much more this off-season.
theruns
In relation to Cohen’s wealth, this would be like if you made $150,000 per year, then bought something for $3,500 and spread the payments out over 15 years.
This is basically him paying for Netflix each month.
Mynameisnoname
Yankees bid 16/760 per Heyman.
Can’t blame Hal. Soto just wanted to be with Lindor and company. Yankee fans can now feel free to despise Juan.
dasit
i’ve already started
Reynaldo's
He escaped Judge’s shadow to go under Lindor’s.
ClevelandSteelEngines
yep…the playoff strikeout shadows
Doug Dueck
@Myname – Soto wants the chance at 800 M – he doesn’t care if he is playing with Lindor or Judge or Ohtani.
Bizzle
15/765 is a significantly better deal than 16/760. Also don’t know what kind of opt outs and deferrals were in the Yankees deal. Soto can opt out in 5 year on the Mets deal. At 31 years old, there’s a good chance he does it, too.
Mynameisnoname
Looks like he can turn it into a 5/380 haul with the signing bonus and incentives if he opts kit, so the extras could have definitely been better from the NYM side.
Still the 16th year was just to bring down the AAV as he could have been bought out at age 39-41 with expected regression.
Ma4170
The 75m bonus tells me they will front load this to the point that he will almost have to opt out after five years. He prob wouldnt sign a 5/380 deal but that might be what it amounts to. We’ll see when the details come out.
outinleftfield
Very nice for Mets fans. Now the rest of the offseason can get going for the rest of us.
Redwood13
Hope Mets have insurance on this contract, he blows out his knee and unable to play. Can you say Angels third baseman and how many games he has played over duration of his contract. How about Steven Strasberg and his last contract with Washington. Don’t think he pitched in the last three years of his contract
Seamaholic
Doesn’t really matter. The Mets are likely still comfortably within their spending window. They started the off-season only at $182k. They aren’t even at the first tax line yet.
Bobcastelliniscat
Yankee fans expecting sympathy. Good luck with that.
ResultUnknown
Happy for the Mets but that’s a massive overpay and I do believe the Dodgers are still better. They’ll need to spend more to compete obviously.
nicksc10
Lmao mets
Edp007
Vladdy gonna be asking for 50 a year when next winter rolls around.
Seamaholic
Vladdy ain’t in Soto’s class.
ClevelandSteelEngines
vladdy is soto’s daddy’s brother’s mother’s cousin’s nephew’s brother’s babysitter
Perksy
To the Mets he will go too
aLifetimeOfDefeats
How many years was Pujols actually good for the Angels?
mikeyny
All the pressure is on the Mets now. Soto got the Yanks to a World Series. Anything less as a Met (especially at $51M/year) will be a failure.
AndyMeyer
Cohen wasn’t lying when he said he would outbid everyone
Moneyballer
I mean cmon no should be surprised by this AT ALL. Juan Soto has been on so many teams already I’m pretty sure he could give a crap where he plays…It was always about the most money with this guy and that’s why the mets got him.
metsgolf
Yankees offered 16/760
ClevelandSteelEngines
might as well have offered nothing
JeffyM
As a Jays fan, I never thought the Jays would get him anyways, it was a pipe dream. But Vladdy’s price just went way up. Any thoughts of 250-300 are done. He’s gonna ask for 10 years 400 million minimum maybe 500 over 12 or 13.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Blue Jay’s CFO just called and said sell high on Vladdy
Crybbe666
Yep, I see $525m probably over 12 years.
The Jays have priced themselves out of that deal as well.
ClevelandSteelEngines
That’s assuming there is a market that is willing to pay. Cohen’s money will be withheld for the foreseeable future on mega deals. Especially DH types. Not sure there is a willingness to pay 1B yet. At least teams can pretend Soto can play RF.
Tomas80
Cohen is mad.
Perksy
I think he’s pretty happy
nicksc10
800M for a DH is hilarious.
ClevelandSteelEngines
momma always told me….
Yanks4life22
I said a year ago the Mets were going to take over NY if Hal didn’t start making the necessary tough decisions. Now it’s starting to get real.
Congrats to Mets fans. This really is going to be your run. I see an ace coming your way soon too.
Can they/Should they retain Alonso now?
Schlootle
Crazy he technically has a higher AAV than Ohtani, for just a bat is insane. At least Ohtani not only brings the Japanese market but he is also a Soto level of hitter while also being a Cy Young caliber pitcher
Seamaholic
Ohtani isn’t anywhere near Soto’s level as a hitter. And he’s considerably older and has a long injury history.
Bivouac-Sal
@Seama
Why don’t you review the hitting stats of both players and get back to us on that inaccurate statement.
Schlootle
He is older i’ll concede that. But going by career numbers Ohtani is 100% at Soto’s level as far as OPS and most all other offensive numbers. Ohtani will also steal bags which is very important.
Raymond Flagstaff
Very important if u want a guy more likely to break down
Rays in the Bay
Ohtani has more injury risks as a pitcher. Soto doesn’t have that type of risk.
Reynaldo's
He wants to get out of Judge’s shadow and be his own face of a franchise; understandable.
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
so i guess ol’ polar bear pete is now a yankee?
ClevelandSteelEngines
they need to go after santander, he’s the better fit
Perksy
A 230 low obp power hitter. Hard pass
ClevelandSteelEngines
you forgot that he switch hits ;p
sufferforsnakes
I hope they choke on that contract.
kscheer
Never go full re***d.
Mets just went full re***d
Can’t believe what modern baseball has become.
Raymond Flagstaff
Because you dont understand inflation something is wrong with “modern baseball”?
misterb71
I wonder if the Mets admit to themselves that Soto will likely be a DH-only player for upwards of half this contract length. He and his contract will become an albatross that puts Stanton to shame..
Seamaholic
He’s only 26. He’ll be in the field for at least 2/3 of it.
misterb71
Don’t bet this month’s mortgage money on it.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Mets said he’ll be a DH for life
carlos15
He’ll be a DH but he’ll never be what Stanton has been for years, a one dimensional player with an OBP under .300. Soto is a better overall hitter than Stanton has ever been
Seamaholic
They aren’t in the same universe. Soto is a no doubt first ballot Hall of Famer unless he completely collapses in the next five years. He’s at 36 WAR going INTO his age 26 season. He isn’t even fully in his prime yet.
Bizzle
If you look at the defensive value that he currently brings, it’s the exact same defensive value that a DH brings -0.9 dWAR. So… seems ok to me
Raymond Flagstaff
Highest level of salt you can safely consume
AaronJudgeMVP29
…
steve2345 2
can’t imagine how much money Albert Pujols would’ve gotten today
goob
Was that an earthquake? Nope, just every Angels fan shuddering at the very thought.
Kidcub23
Mets will NEVER win with him…. I’ve watched the game for 45yrs. One thing I’ve learned the richest guy never wins. The Dodgers won because the way Ohtani did his contract. Mets won’t win because you handcuffed your team financially…. lol I think it’s great for a N.Y. team to fail….. Players want the most money, they don’t wanna win. Ashamed players today don’t understand the windfall financially of winning. Soto will be a life long loser!!!!!!
Seamaholic
The wealthiest team nearly always wins.
carlos15
This won’t hamstring Cohen, he’s the richest owner in the league, it will do nothing to stop them from being competitive
Seamaholic
It certainly will not hamstring them (they aren’t even in the lux tax yet) but that has nothing to do with Cohen’s wealth. You or I could own the Mets and signing Soto to this deal would make exactly the same amount of sense — a lot — as it does for Cohen. No owners subsidize their teams. They spend out of revenue.
padam
Reggie Jackson to start.
Ohtani (deferred or not, still the largest), and let’s also look at Betts, Harper, Seager, Yamamoto…3 of the largest right there on the Dodgers and won.
Hate all you want, but realize Cohen could drop his salary in the bank with a weeks worth of work.
Kidcub23
I hear all this. Didn’t Cohen spend like this 2yrs ago? Oh ya he did. At the All-Star break he traded all the pieces.
Led Hoyer
Dodgers just bought a ring and the Yankees have done it many times. The Mets just added one of the best bats in baseball to a team that made it a long way last year. Stearns knows what he is doing and now has an unlimited payroll. He turned that mess around in one year. Dodgers and Mets are going to be scary for a long time. Sucks for the rest of the mlb that have budgets.
Raymond Flagstaff
Dodgers werent serious bidders, they have a budget
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
Pretty sure the Dodgers and those Yankees teams also had great homegrown talent to mix with the high priced free agents. Sounds like nice propaganda when you leave out that part of the story.
padam
Catfish Hunter. Highest paid pitcher, free agent, Yankees.
Every team has home grown talent, but we’re specifically talking about the highest paid players not winning. The Yanks had the highest paid hitter and pitcher, and won.
Bizzle
Dude Ohtani’s annual NPV on his contract is only $5M less than this deal’s.
goob
@Kidcub23
With all due respect, those 45 years seem to have left you none the wiser, Kid.
Yankeesforever
well a Cub fan would know a lot about being a lifelong loser.
Why do fans worry so much about the franchise finances for?!
Would you turn down a promotion from your boss because it would hurt the company’s finances or raise the cost of items the company sold
Give us all a break.
Soto just got a promotion, and baseball finances are fine
Nuff said.
Kidcub23
You must be a Yankee fan. A clown, all New Yorkers and Yankee fans are.
Yankeesforever
gee how long did it take to figure out I was a Yankee fan, did you have to call up Forrest Gump as a smarter authority to make sure you got it right?!.
Scrub fans will always be the Jake from State Farm wearing Khakis, carrying a bagged lunch your mom still makes for you as you take the city bus to work looking out the window as the New York limo with hot babe and champagne flowing passes you by and lamenting why you weren’t born to that kind of life.
Kidcub23
I’ll take the bag lunch your mom makes me when I leave her. I’ll even leave you some lunch money on the counter after I pay her. I figure you’re in the basement anyway. I hope you learn English in class today son.
Yankeesforever
Oh I doubt your boyfriend would let you leave the house.
phew now I know why they call it the windy city, dude you gotta stop eating out of a dumpster, you are depleting the ozone
Dont even bother to get in it with me, I’ll verbally btch slap you so hard, you will wake up with t i ts in the morning.
God where are the worthy Red Sox fans I don’t want to waste my stuff on amateur Scrub fans.
fred-3
World Series or bust for the Mets. No more lovable losers after this.
mrmet5
15 is stupid and I’m a Mets fan
Old York
Big hole in the Yankee offense. Wonder who they’ll pivot to.
GO1962
It would not have seemed right if the Yankees paid Soto more than Judge.
Led Hoyer
He’s way better than Judge and younger.
Zonedeads
Judge is better everywhere!
LogicLeftOnBase
@ Led Hoyer He’s not better than Judge at the moment in any category. But with the significant difference in age, it’s only a matter of time.
mad1
And yet will be lucky to make the playoffs in 2025
10centBeerNight
Cohen got his man. And Hal isn’t nor has ever been George. Like Dweezil isn’t Frank Zappa
goob
Costanza was the difference maker there.
Reynaldo's
He’s got maybe 5 more years as an OF before becoming a full time 1B/DH.
Rays in the Bay
Overpaid, but Mets are desperate for a superstar. Not too surprised tbh.
Poolhalljunkies
Wow no deferrals
Outfieldflyrule??
In that lineup he’ll walk 200+ times next year. Mets still need a couple SP.
Kevin28786
Not bad for a 2 tool player who’s also an asshat.
goob
A hat for cold butts?
fansincethe80s
Rendon no longer has the worse contract in MLB
Bivouac-Sal
Ohtani gave the Dodgers 68 million a year to use on other talent. Soto said to the Mets, give all the money to me. Screw the team.
Seamaholic
No Ohtani did not. Man people on this site are effing clueless about money. The Dodgers are paying every dime of that salary as it is earned — by contract, and there’s no way Ohtani would sign otherwise. It’s just into an escrow for a while. It’s a tax-avoidance scheme (lux tax for the Dodgers, income tax for Ohtani) and a way for the Dodgers to earn some interest off that escrow account.
Bivouac-Sal
not the point. we all know the deferral money is in escrow but the Dodgers do have 24 million extra per year to use in the current term (not the 68 mill I erroneously mentioned above). MLB counts the AAV as 46 million which means annually as opposed to 70 mill per year the Dodgers have to account for 46, leaving an extra 24 mill to spend in AAV on additional talent, if they wish. And they do wish.
goob
@Seam
Even a no-brainer investment in an S&P500 fund can easily double (sometimes even triple) an investment in 10 years time. Very wealthy people invest the overwhelming money of their money and they know how to make it grow. No tax savings is going to compete with that! By deferring that much money, Ohtani is accepted many millions of dollars less in accumulated net-wealth over the course of that contract. An “escrow account”? You sure about that? Unless there’s some special shared-investment agreement that you’re personally aware of, the Dodgers themselves would, essentially, be investing any such money themselves and end up making substantial gains on it – even after paying Ohtani whatever he’s owed years after he retires. Anyway, that’s why players usually don’t go for this kind of thing, because it decreases their net dollars. The Dodgers are getting a discount on his present-day value and if he’s cool with it, that’s his choice. Maybe he knows the Dodgers org will have some ways to kind of make it up to him – long after his playing days are over.
MrJimi
Soto to the Mets is like if Shohei would have signed with the Angels. All dough no .
GO1962
The Soto contract is a potential disaster for MLB fans in the Tampa Bay area. Those in the Tampa Bay area who are opposed to using public funds to build a stadium can say that MLB owners are so wealthy that they do not need public funding.
Seamaholic
The contract has nothing to do with how wealthy the Mets owner is. This is well within their revenue-set spending limits. They aren’t even at the first lux tax line yet.
goob
That’s patently false. Cohen can and will set any hypothetical “revenue-set spending limits” (lol) wherever and whenever he pleases. And it has absolutely everything to do with how spectacularly wealthy he is and how easily he can outspend other ownership-groups in accordance with his wishes – without batting an eye. He’s already demonstrated that, in spades.
empirejim
Funny…. Ive seen Tampa games and there arent enough fans to make it look like it’s not 2020 covid still…
junior25
Lets go Yanks and Jays
Send your best offer for Belli
CO Guardening
Dang. They weren’t kidding. That’s a lot of money.
TheGr8One
This will age like milk, he will be a 53 million dollar DH halfway through BUT if you win one ring in NY it’s worth it I’d think.
Mynameisnoname
I don’t know what Soto’s 2025 stats will look like, but I sure hope he’s 0-2 with 2 HBP on May 16th.
bucknerkingmansutter
Pretty good chance that Bellinger is a Yankee by the time the Winter Meetings end.
cooperhill
Who batted .160 2 years ago.
PrincessYuki
He’s just a higher paid Alonso. lol
Rally Goose
Holy overpay Batman!
johncoltrane
Yanks offered 760/16
Mets 765/15
Seamaholic
First year cost to the Mets: About $50m.
First year cost to the Yankees: About $95m (due to repeat lux tax offender status).
johncoltrane
“Soto can either opt out after the fifth year (2029) or receive a $4 million raise per season — from $51 million to $55 million — for the remainder of the contract, per source.”
So potentially 805 $ million total by the end
Setzer
Baseball desperately needs a salary cap. What a joke.
empirejim
You really believe the players would ever agree to limit their earning ability?
goob
Yep, ceiling and floor, owners open their books, revenue sharing, the whole 9 yards. And it’s not happening either, until and unless overall revenues really start cratering someday…
Not holding my breath though, because that can be fatal.
Sorinotsori
Seen it coming for the yanks but I’m cool with it. Would’ve been nice to have him back but getting a true CF and judge back in RF will make the team defense tangibly better. I’d very much like some kind of stroman for bellinger deal, and Christian walker at 1B. I’d be into playing the kids in the infield, let’s durbin and peraza compete. LF not sure, maybe hernandez or Santander. I’d definitely go bat first.
jimmertee
Big surprise. He only had two cities on his list. New York and Philadelphia and he was using every other club as leverage.
Since this fact was known weeks ago if I were the BlueJays for example, why would you waist your time or bid up the rate for another team or do the phoney dance for your fans?
Yeeesh.
cactuskiwi
The Padres won the Soto trade
Seamaholic
Maybe the Yankees one, but they lost the Nats one horribly. One of worst trades in recent history.
El Niño
It’s only one of the worst trades for people who have overrated on the value of prospects / young players.
Yankeesforever
the difference between the Padres and the Yankees.
We weren’t trying to win a trade we were trying to win a world series, almost.
Besides Padres lost Higgy, traded away another piece, so pretty much Soto for King.. If that is losing, I’ll take a beating like that on every trade.
Edp007
Is Alonso a goner ? Mets lacking without his power. Need more than Soto and Lindor.
Seamaholic
They could bring Alonso back easily, but I suspect they’ll go for Walker.
Walt 'No Neck Williams
I was sorta hoping he would come to the WHITE SOX
cooperhill
LMFAO!
Goetta
Baseball is out of control. 3/4 of a billion dollars for a player and only a select privileged few in the league can even sniff those figures. Tainted game based on favoritism to larger markets. Turns me off as a fan.
Dave1966
There’s the Mets owner who’s a fan and spends
And there’s paper boy Bob Nutting the Nerd of all owners …
Poolhalljunkies
Amzingly deferrals aside..ohtanis deal is still worth 20 million more in aav
Seamaholic
Yeah I like this deal MUCH more than the Ohtani deal, for the team.
VegasMoved
Deferrals aside, Ohtani is making $5 million less. It’s the deferrals that increases the value of Ohtani’s deal.
Acoss1331
Well, I got this one right on the contest lol
Congrats to Mets fans, he’s going to do well hitting behind or in front of Lindor.
Yankees fans, time for Plan B!
txman22
How much will Baty ask for to give up his 22?
Cash-Man-NY
Do you really think he has a choice? They’re already is an unconfirmed rumor from an unconfirmed source that Boris arranged for Heyman to give him nightly foot massages for the entire season to give up 22
algionfriddo
The Yanks just dodged a cannonball.
James Midway
He is good but $750?
theruns
“LOL METS AND STEVE COHEN!”
I don’t think people fathom how much money Cohen has, it’s completely irrelevant to him the guy is worth 21 billion dollars… his art collection is worth over a billion, this is walking around money for him and won’t stop him from pumping money into other players, scouting, player development, pitching labs, etc.
And Cohen is a smart dude who understands this stuff and doesn’t meddle in day to day baseball decision making. He’s going to make a great owner.
“JUAN SOTO CAN’T FIELD!”
He’s slightly below league average and who cares? His offensive numbers are bonkers and he has a superpower (plate discipline/on base tool) that ages very well.
He has a lifetime OPS is .953, his lifetime OPS+ ois163 lol. Dude is a freak on every level at hitting a baseball, his post season OPS is .927.
These are video game numbers, and he’s heading into his age 26 season.
He’s a once in a generation hitter.
There’s a reason MLB has never shown anybody their teams’ financial books, these teams are making money hand over fist, The bigger disgrace are the teams that are pocketing revenue sharing (and other) money and doing nothing to put a competitive team on the field.
Seamaholic
It has nothing to do with Cohen’s wealth. The Mets are comfortably spending out of baseball revenue only. You or I could own the team and there would be no difference. Cohen is still making a very healthy annual profit.
Edp007
As I’ve said multiple times over the last year on many threads. “ baseball is flowing with cash “
theruns
Exactly. It’s the reason no MLB team is ever going to open it’s books, those numbers will never see the light of day because people will go “Huh.. So I guess they really can afford all these contracts!”
And then some.
And the playoff revenues are also insane so a player who puts you over the top and into the playoffs can help you bring in a huge haul, even if you lose in the Championship Series.
txman22
I wore #22 at Mets Fantasy Camp & he can have it for a Porsche.
empirejim
Soto might send you a bill for renting his number…
cooperhill
Lotta money for a one dimensional turd who is probably at least 28!
william-2
The cap has gone up from $117 in 2003 to $244 in 2026 for a $127 million increase. At first glance this contract is insanity, but assuming the trend continues the cap will be roughly $326 million at the end of this contract. The contracts for elite talent will also be going up increasingly over those years to the point where these insane contracts may be commonplace going forward now the pandoras box is open to degrees we didn’t imagine possible.
Still insanity, but the % of the cap he takes up will go down steadily year by year by roughly 5.5 million towards the cap increase yearly. As he degrades the value will be lost, but the damage towards the cap will decrease.
This isn’t a defense of this insane contract. Just pointing out that if a great hitter with limited defensive value is now worth this amount of money it means contracts will begin approaching these levels more and more as the cap and inflation rises to meet it. Lastly, no matter what deficiencies the player may have going forward as his talent degrades, this is exactly his value when someone is willing to pay it.
My concern, as always, is the further widening of the small pool of teams that can play in this stratosphere of contracts. This contract represents more than half the entire payroll of 6 teams, and close to half the payroll of another 4. 1/3 of the league. He is 1/3rd of the payroll of the next 4 teams. This is a double issue as always that is widening. Not just the teams that can afford the top tier, but the inability of the smaller markets to retain any of their elite talent as they reach free agency. The same as now, but steadily getting worse.
El Niño
Boom. Spot on. All the contracts given out the last few years will look like drops in a bucket.
energel
God. too much money. jeez. I mean, he deserves it, but still thats a hella lot of money. whoosh. more than shohei godam. hollllly frick. wth is going on with baseball?. we need a salary cap. and floor. holy holy holy. only took one year for shohei contract to get bested.
Raymond Flagstaff
Never needed a cap when yankees red sox dodgers pumped contracts, but Mets? Stop the show, whoa there. Seems fair
energel
Yes needed a cap with when Yankees red sox dodgers “pumped contracts”. I have been complaining about the salary cap way before soto signed this massive deal.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
This isnt the largest, shoot didn’t the Soccer player just turn down 700M a YEAR!!!!
Astros_fan_in_Aus
It would be funny to see him intentionally walked every time he comes to the plate in the post season. Could throw a spanner into the Mets works.
Seamaholic
Oh I think they’d take a 1.000 OPS guy and an extra 4-5 baserunners a game.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Soto on first is a double play waiting to happen.
Today
Good night to be a Mets fan.
Lazy article though. Richest contract in sports history for its term but not close to highest for a year Christiano Ronaldo signed with Al Nassar for $200 million/ year, with $90 million/year for playing soccer.
jvent
Next resign Alonso and Winker (DH) and Buehler
energel
prolly cant.
seamaholic 2
Easy. Still wouldn’t be anywhere near their limit (or even last year’s total).
SadMsFan
Wow…lol Mets. Soto is not worth this amount of money. Like, the Ohtani contract was somewhat understandable, but Ohtani must be wondering what could have been. Ohtani also clearly wanted to win. Soto…sorry bud, you’re not gonna win with the Mets. Plus, he looked better in pinstripes, rather than a box of Fruit Loops.
mlbdodgerfan2015
What a steal Ohtani was compared to this deal. No deferred money and a hefty signing bonus. Mets have deep pockets. And they’ll need to spend a lot to put a World Series team together. Not sure if the Mets really won. Soto was the clear winner.
Seamaholic
You all have a crazy idea of what deferred money is. The Dodgers are still paying $70m a year. By contract. But $68m is going into escrow. There’s no chance Ohtani’s people would have considered a contract that wasn’t structured that way, and it’s even spelled out in the CBA.
mlbdodgerfan2015
That doesn’t change the payouts. Don’t know about you, but I’d rather pay 97% of a $700mm contract in years 11 to 20 versus whatever the hell the Mets are doing. Ohtani clearly could have made more money. Soto clearly tried to squeeze out the most money. Deferred money may be put in an escrow account with interest earned. Othani’s deal is nowhere close to $700mm NPV. Thus the $46mm AAV.
seamaholic 2
Present value of Soto’s deal is about $529m (or a little higher if you assume a lower discount rate). Ohtani’s is $465m or something. Soto is 4 years younger and Ohtani has a long injury history. Ohtani’s the more valuable player now. So, shrug I guess. Probably rather be the team holding the Soto deal.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Apples to oranges calculation. If you present value Ohtani’s contract you’d get a lot less than $465mm. For CBT, they’ve determined that it’s the equivalent of 10 years $460mm contract. There is no deferred money on Soto’s contract so essentially it’s a 15 years $765mm contract for Soto vs Ohtani’s 10 years $460mm for CBT. Soto’s deal can balloon to 15 years $805mm if the Mets exercise no opt-out after five years.
Assuming that the Mets don’t exercise that option, it’s still a $51mm AAV for 15 years versus $46mm AAV for 10 years for Ohtani. Yes, Soto is younger, but Soto is also not a Cy Young caliber starting pitcher. To say that a team would prefer Soto’s deal is ludicrous. Ohtani’s contract is far superior and we haven’t even talked about the truckloads of dollars the Dodgers are earning from Ohtani, marketing, advertising, jersey sales, etc.
empirejim
Dodgers made over 100M just on Ohtani last season. You think there are 125M rabid Soto fans in the Dominican ready to shell out for jerseys and merch like the Japanese do? Soto is a great hitter, Ohtani is a great product. Dodgers raking it in while the Mets will be shoveling it out.
ReyDay
Dodgers owners are an investment group, Cohen is doing this as a hobby it’s not the same. Cohen will gladly lose $ to bring a ring to Queens and that’s all the fans care about, period.
Raymond Flagstaff
Pretty cool
Raymond Flagstaff
I have never heard so many attacks on a great hitter who hits for avg and power as “one dimensional”; which celebrity gossipist propagandized you all into this trope? Ohtani just won mvp no comments barely at all about no defense at all. IF THE MVP was one dimensional why shouldnt Soto be? Last I checked hitting is half the game and Soto is the best or adjacent to it.
10centBeerNight
Now for NYM to add a significant SP
Low IQ Angels Management
Seems a bit much for a DH, but whatever. Baseball has been destroyed by Manfred and company anyway, so why not.
Raymond Flagstaff
“Whatever” Valley girl anger
Low IQ Angels Management
I mean like yeah riiight. Ray, rhymes with… Ahhh you know what it rhymes with, rainbow warrior. I here there’s lots of “your kind” in Arizona. Valley boys rule!
Rsox
The Dodgers offered the same but asked to defer $764 million til 2074. Apparently he was not amicable to this request. I’m kidding of course but I’m glad that there is no deferred money because that is a Pandora’s box that once the lid is blown off will never be closed
empirejim
The lid has been off the deferral box for years. Time to trade-in your 8-track and get one of them new-fangled cassette decks, I hear they are groovy.
Rsox
Yes, but not so drastic as to defer hundreds of millions. That has been a one off thankfully so far
VegasMoved
Man, the AL sucks right now.
Cash-Man-NY
He’s going to get one hell of a bronx cheer when he comes to the stadium
I have to admit I really like them when he was wearing the pin stripes but now he wears different stripes .
I don’t in any way wish any harm but since he likes to walk so much if we’re going to throw balls out of the strike zone I hope they’re high and hard wipe that smirk right off his face
Soto Shuffle back to Queens
Rsox
I could understand if Judge left the Yankees for the Mets but Soto was a one year rental when they got him and they and everyone else knew that. They had all last season to negotiate with him exclusively and didn’t, so here we are.
Flanster
Well, his great- grandkids are set for life
Frankie Bani
Finally it is over, now Yankees to sign 3 good cuality players, from 26 to 41 years old for Soto, sorry for the mets
BronxBombers23
How much will Boras get?
mlbnyyfan
No Soto. Yankees have about 90 million off the books. It’s time to finally see if Cashman can build a team once and for all. He hasn’t shown me yet.
BronxBombers23
They could have even more than 100 million if they trade Cortez, Trevino and Stroman (yes you have to eat probably around 60% of his contract)
BronxBombers23
The problem is that a lot of teams are interested in the same players. Burnes, Fried, Crochet, Buehler, maybe Sandy Alcantara, Teoscar, Bellinger, Hoerner, Walker, some rp etc. Yankees need 1 OF, a 1B, maybe a 2B/3B, 1-2 SP and 1-2 rp. Let’s see what they will get…
Low IQ Angels Management
200 mil, thereabouts after the 15 years.
seamaholic 2
Agents get 3 or 4%, not 25%. So around $25-30m over 15 years.
Low IQ Angels Management
30% for Borass
BLIN7Y
Soto is a Nomad…He doesn’t care about the Clubhouse, how he’s treated, or any of the other stuff he said was important to him. He wanted the Biggest Payday.
If he reaches his escalators the AAV will increase on that contract. If the Mets don’t win and can’t improve their Pitching it won’t surprise me if he’s not unhappy there.
Is there a No-Trade in that Deal? If not, don’t forget Cohen dumped Verlander, Sherzer, and didn’t sign DeGromm.
Seamaholic
There are multiple opt outs.
BronxBombers23
There are not a lot of players who aren’t looking for the biggest payday. He’s not Judge
ReyDay
Not signing DeGrom was smart and so was trading Verlander and Max. I don’t see the problem ?
Raymond Flagstaff
Yea this worked out well i would say. Thanks uncle steve
Low IQ Angels Management
Would you say that, valley girl?
Raymond Flagstaff
“Takes one to know one” – 5 year old
Rsox
All players are “nomads” (though i prefer “mercenaries” better) to a certain extent. We don’t know exactly what the inside of the Yankees clubhouse is like (though with Verdugo, Stroman and Chisholm i can’t imagine it’s sunshine and rainbows) any more than we know what it’s like in the Mets clubhouse. This may be a blessing in disguise for the Yankees. Judge, Cole and Stanton already take up a lot of payroll without Soto so at least now they have more wiggle room. Conversely, the Mets only really have Lindor for big money deals and while Soto doesn’t completely close the door on Alonso coming back it certainly makes it less probable
Well....shoot
Padres officially won the Soto trade?? (the Yankees one, of course)
slowcurve
No single player is worth that contract. Not Soto, not Shohei, no one! Ridiculous. His glove is meh, at best. Mets fans better hope he hits, otherwise that’s an expensive DH.
Seamaholic
It doesn’t matter. He could turn into a pumpkin and the Mets would still be fine. They probably have an ADDITIONAL $100m per year in payroll space before they even begin to bother counting.
BronxBombers23
Dodgers have still a better, maybe even a much better team.
El Kabong
BronxBombers23
The Dodgers are looking to get even better. Andrew Friedman has never been one to sit on his hands. Something is probably cooking on the trade front. Seeing how these teams look on opening day will be fascinating.
BronxBombers23
They have a lot of assets. I have to admit that they are the clear favorites next season. But you never know…
El Kabong
Not with 12 playoff teams. That’s what’s good (and bad) about expanded playoffs. On the one hand, more fans stay interested because their team has a chance to make a run. On the other, we have these horrid wild card races between teams that are terrible down the stretch.
BronxBombers23
That’s maybe true, but the toughest thing will be to beat the Dodgers in a playoff series imo.
william-2
IMHO the Dodgers may be even better going forward. This is one of the strongest teams I have ever seen assembled.
Raymond Flagstaff
dodgers are good. certainly not unbeatable by any stretch. even if the yankees only got 1 off them. The dodgers were actually extremely lucky the bullpen clicked at the right moment. mets were best for the second half of the season, and probably remain so depending on what they do now
Raymond Flagstaff
“Mets fans better hope he hits.” Now i know why I come here, its for brilliant analysis like this
Champs64
So 15 years at 51 million per year was not enough. He need escalators which are undefined. Perhaps they are the Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty.
Frankie Bani
Hot Dog will cost
Low IQ Angels Management
$69.69
ohmy
This will now lead to the Yankess to way overpay on a trade with the hateable losers, the cubs for Bellinger. Yankees now need his left handed power.
The loser cubs asking price just doubled for Bellinger.
Luke Strong
The guy should have just stayed with the Yankees. Why jump that ship over $5 million? At that point, it makes no difference anyways. He’ll never be able to get utility out of 99%+ of the money… there’s only so much money can buy, nothing “real”.
Seamaholic
Because the Yankees offer would cost them $95m a year while they are a 3 time lux tax team. The Mets aren’t even in the first tax WITH Soto. He knows they can and will spend big time around him and Lindor.
Raymond Flagstaff
He also gets to play a bigger role with his franchise
Low IQ Angels Management
I hear you play a bigger role at McDonald’s… Assistant manager now huh valley girl ray?
Seamaholic
Huh?
THEY LIVE!!!
Don’t be sad Yankees fans. The Yankees are rumored to be signing Thairo Estrada.
empirejim
LOL….. Could have signed Snell, Burnes, Adames and Teoscar for less than that. 800M is great if he was the ONE thing you needed to win the Ring. Mets still looking suspect on the mound.
ReyDay
Total money doesn’t matter as much as AAV.
Low IQ Angels Management
George Steinbrenner rolled over in his grave.
IsIt2025Already?
Why? This signing is a Steinbrenner legacy signing. Would have never happened without him.
Low IQ Angels Management
Big George would have outbid Cohen. His offspring are weak and feckless.
seamaholic 2
This contract would cost the Yankees $100m a year. Steinbrenner did not have repeat-offender lux tax in his life.
Raymond Flagstaff
They cant get that through!
Low IQ Angels Management
Looks like the number 22 will be retired by the Yanks for Luis Palonia and not Soto.
Blue Baron
Low IQ: POLONIA. But Clemens also wore 33.
Low IQ Angels Management
Blue: Barron. But who gives a flying fk
Blue Baron
I do. And Luis POLONIA and his family do.
Correction: Clemens also wore 22.
Low IQ Angels Management
: Clements.
Fever Pitch Guy
Blue – Larry Bird on the brain? ;O)
pinterman
That’s baseball, Suzyn.
fermier
Why am I suddenly remembering Bobby Bonilla?
What could possibly go wrong?
rickoppelt
That’s stupid. You could nearly field an entire team. You win, Mets. And you lost too
Seamaholic
They aren’t even in the lux tax.
Blue Baron
rickoppelt: I am willing to bet that Steve Cohen is smarter than you.
Low IQ Angels Management
Would you bet your entire Target paycheck?
SupremeZeus
White Sox largest guaranteed contract in franchise history is $75M. They might as well contract the team. The economics of the game are changing and hopefully these types of Ks become more and more common and force the miserly owners out of ownership and lead to sweeping changes that include a spending floor
ReyDay
3 years ? You think he’ll decline by 29? Cmon now this contract will be fine for minimum 5 years at least. That’s a big window to have with Lindor, Soto, Vientos, Senga, and they still have 100MM to spend to get to last years payroll
Indianfan
And they’ll finish third in the NL East behind Atlanta and Philly. Good move.
George Vasios
Definitely not worth it. He’s not a five-tool player. If you’re the Mets, now you lose out on Pete Alonso plus another top-line starter which you need.
Remember the 1992 Mets: The Worst Team Money Could BUY???
seamaholic 2
Why would they lose out on anyone? They aren’t even in the lux tax yet.
#1baseballfan
Wow, wonder if Mr. Cohen can sign me for 15 years and $765 thousand to play catch with Juan between innings at Citi Field. It’s nice to make others dreams come true Steve. You obviously got the loot for it.
andyger63
Yankee fan here. Bye Soto. You were good last year, but not THAT good. We’ll get a lot of good players for $765 million to fill the void. You will never be a part of the storied Yankees again however. Enjoy the $$.
Blue Baron
andyger63: Now he will be part of what will become the storied Mets.
andyger63
You hope. How many WS championships do the Mets have? Oh, that’s right, 2. Versus 27. No comparison.
(Btw, I was actually at the final game of the 1986 WS at Shea Stadium. Scalped a ticket outside for $50!).
Blue Baron
I got mine free from someone who couldn’t go.
But 27 championships for the Yankees vs $3.5 million higher AAV offered by the Mets.
Classic case of money talks and BS walks.
It’s also true, as with investing, that past performance does not guarantee future results.
Raymond Flagstaff
yankee fans are so insecure. we know it hurts bro, but we find your anguish comical
Low IQ Angels Management
This dude loves his ::::: colons. Giggity
Boodge106
Except it’s not $765 million. It’s $51 million. How many great players can you get for $51 million in todays market?
Also, in 15 years the $51 million would be the equivalent of less than $30 million in today’s dollars.
Raymond Flagstaff
wrong place for my response
Blue Baron
andyger63: And this. The Yankees aren’t the marquee franchise anymore: cbssports.com/mlb/news/juan-soto-rejected-the-yank…
Raymond Flagstaff
man yankees are not taking being the number 2 franchise in ny mlb well
Raymond Flagstaff
yea so soto went the NYM for .6% more money than the yankees offered.. Obviously the man with the bat finds your analysis to be faulty. Let the salt flow
Blue Baron
LOLYankees!
Low IQ Angels Management
Its: LOL Yankees!. Lol.
IsIt2025Already?
Mets still aren’t _that good_ though.
Ben K
nice bait.
Viveleempireevil
That same feeling when they paid Scherzer and Verlander $100M dollars. To pitch for someone else.
MPrck
THE EAGLE HAS LANDED, WHAT A HOOT ! WOW, THAT’S ONE GIANT STEP ! MOON SHOT !
Edp007
Media loves big numbers. Hype. No one talks here about present value. Yes we don’t know where interest rates will go over the next 15 years , but using 4 or 5% the present value of contract is somewhere in the 575 range.
Approx 38 mill per year.
50 mill 15 years from now has a present value of 22-26 mill in todays money.
Keep that in mind.
Ben K
Mets are gonna roll out a top 5 lineup in baseball for the next decade plus.
As a long suffering 34 year old Met fan, whose favorite player will always be the Captain, David Wright- I love it. I really do.
Blue Baron
Ben K: At 34, you’re too young to be long-suffering.
Low IQ Angels Management
Thanks for your riveting assessment.
vjwhitmore
My first game was at the old Polo Grounds in 1962 July 19th double header and they lost to Pittsburgh 5-1 in the first game & 7-6 in the second game…
So very long suffering.
giantsguy41
I chose the wrong profession
Justabaseballfanfornow
Where’s the Blackpink poster? This is what he/she posted last week:
I don’t believe this is true. I don’t believe he will get 600 million. We will see but I am saying it now I don’t think this will happen..
Most brilliant commenter on this site
YankeesBleacherCreature
You mean Joel P? Even a broken clock is right twice a day and Joel always carries all of his clocks with him.
Golfsucks
Good for him and the Mets. Fun to be a Mets fan!
The way Soto stands and swings, I hope his back holds out for half that deal.
Opt out after 2029 is way too far out. He will be too far in to the deal and too old to opt out.
New toy for the owner.
Blue Baron
He’ll be 31 in 2029.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Couple notes
1. Thank for Soto and Boras not dragging this out and holding up the free agent market. Now that he’s signed others can start moving
2. Maybe Mets move Vientos to 1B and trade for Arenado? Possibly include Beaty in the deal as a change of scenery candidate if Cardinals add a SP and/or RP to the deal. Not as the main piece but a secondary piece if multiple players from cardinals are heading back to NY.
Dodgerfan75
50.00 beers incoming to citifield. Good for the Mets.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
And people will pay for them too.
Dodgerfan75
Of course.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
And for that price I’m pre-gaming an hour before. And I’ll byob and just not open my tall boy.
Raymond Flagstaff
Until the credit cards Get turned off
Tomas7
Great signing, let’s now sign Alonzo and Burns , and don’t forget Iglesias.
Luke Strong
I think this all will work out very well for the Mets. Soto makes them really solid. They’ve got to be able to win one WS during his contract.
Lanidrac
Good luck paying the guy $46M when he’s 40 (or even $50M if they void the opt out).
I say if he opts out after 5 years, just let him walk no matter how good he still is, and the Mets will actually come of this deal with decent value.
gorav114
Perfect plan. 5 seasons of prime superstar years then another team gets stuck holding the bag.
Raymond Flagstaff
Pocket change in 15 years. U guys should really try readng a book. Your “money” is being made worthless
Br857
51 million a year is ridiculous
twentyfivemanroster
Mets edged out the Royals.
MrHappy
This contract isn’t going to age well. That’s a lot of money for a DH
norcalblue
In five years Soto is going to be a DH. He’s gonna be a one-dimensional DH still owed $500 million and 10 years.
Seamaholic
If that happens the Mets will be absolutely fine. Won’t affect them much at all.
just_thinkin
Alright now the real fun can begin. This was always the boring part. Glad he didn’t wait forever.
just_thinkin
Also, lol Yankees
fox471 Dave
Took a snapshot of the article and archived it. Gonna pull it out once a year and laugh until I cry.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Uh oh spaghetti oh
unglar
This will really sting in 5-6 years when Manfreds goons realign the divisions and expand the league to put Mets and Yankees in the same division.
Dumpster Divin Theo
In space
H.Lime
For a dh.
Sadface
Glad to see it finally came to an end. Looking forward to him NOT living up to this ridiculous contract. Makes beating the Mets even more enjoyable for non Mets and non Soto fans. Hate the Yankees but now they can afford to sign 3 or 4 players with the same kind of money, Pete Alonso probably signs with the Yankees now..
cooperhill
4 minutes ago my butt, try 6 hours!
DS1
26 years old???
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Good for Soto. Bad for the Yankees. Horrible for baseball,in my opinion. Soto is a great player, but he’s not worth that. Not even close. Mets might’ve really sunk their ship on this one.
Boodge106
Sunk their ship? Steve Cohen is worth nearly $25 billion and makes over $2billion per year. Soto is getting paid $50 million per year. This is the equivalent of a nice steak dinner for you and I.
BronxBombers23
Yankees couldn’t sign Ohtani, Yamamoto or Soto. Skies are gray over Georges grave. Right now it hurts even more that they didn’t sign Seager or Harper. They hope that they can land lefty Bellinger. And that’s how things start to go wrong. What a front office…..
Yankeesforever
congratulations to the Mets and their fanbase.
Hell of a pickup to pair with Lindor.
Mynameisnoname
Who knew, but I guess what a bargain Ohtani is after all. Two All Stars in one body for ~460mil luxury tax value and international marketing appeal to boot.
Truly amazing at least three teams were willing to go over 700mil with no deferrals. I get it, outstanding hitter in his youthful prime, but with the up front signing bonus and opt out escalators it works out to either 5/330 or 15/805- simply bonkers.
Safe to say Boras has recouped any lost reputation.
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s not additonal money. The $75M signing bonus will come out of his pay so it’s 5/255 if he opts out and the Mets choose not to retain him with the $4M escalator.
Mynameisnoname
@YBC. Looks like the truth is somewhere in the middle. His LT hit is 61 mil for the first 5 years, so the bonus brings it to 5/305.
ChuckyNJ
The LOLmets still have to observe Bobby Bonilla Day.
mahalkita
If we get one world series championship out of this it’ll all be worth it to me. Been 38 years since the last one.
AK sox fan
Man as a red sox fan I really wish the Yankees would of landed Soto! That contract is a joke and the Mets wont even sniff the world series! Now we will battle the Yankees for the best pitchers and batts available…..
BCleveland3381
Ridiculous contract only because your team didn’t get him. Sour grapes.
mahalkita
After signing Soto the Mets I believe are still 100 million below 2024 salaries. A year which saw them 2 games short of the WS. You may be right but I doubt this contract would stand in the way of reaching the WS.
Boodge106
Is this a joke? Hard to detect sarcasm in written form. If you’re serious, yikes. I would implore you to go look up the net worth of Mr Steve Cohen, then come back on here and tell us all with a serious face that this is going to prevent the Mets from improving the team more.
BCleveland3381
The best part is knowing that as a Mets fan we have Steve cohen as our owner and this monster contract will do very little to prohibit him from signing anyone else he needs to make this team a winner.
Ezpkns34
Making more than a few rosters
HOFer at the bank
onthebucks
The Mets acquiring Soto has just significantly changed the landscape in the NL East, putting a lot of pressure on the Phils and Braves to make some dramatic trades and/or acquisitions this offseason if they are to compete with the Mets for the division crown. The Mets now join the Dodgers as the big kids on the block in the NL.
Skyrider123
Phillies and Braves as they currently stand are better on paper than the Mets. Phillies and Braves have proven starters while the Mets pitching looks weaker even with their new additions. Phillies and Braves havent added yet so I see both teams getting better. This will be a 3 team race again, but Mets did not move ahead of the Phillies or Braves by signing Soto.
HEHEHATE
Worth Every Penny. I hope a Ton of you snagged vientos before the call up last year like I did and are loving every minute on this.
Pickle_Britches
Now they need to sign Alonso and a Starter otherwise ehh they’ll be solid next year.
Matt Nokes
I’m a Yankees fan bowing down to the new King of New York. it’s really sad what Hal Steinbrenner has let the Yankees become. The Mets and Dodgers get to shop at Tiffany’s, while the Yankees have to go bargain hunting at Walmart. Hal should really sell the team to someone who can afford to operate the Yankees like the marquee franchise they used to be.
theonlydynasty
I have to disagree. Hal didn’t let us down. Soto didn’t want to stay. With the $ being close, if he wanted to stay, Yanks would have a chance to match. If he wanted top $ no matter what. Yanks could never top Mets there.
At some point, Hal has to say “that’s enough”. He went up to 760. $760,000,000. If Soto wanted to be a yankee, he would be.
Matt Nokes
He didn’t get the job done. He failed. He let us down. This after years of missing on other big guys and just barely managing to hold onto Judge..
Raymond Flagstaff
Mets let them keep judge. Yankees didn’t reciprocate, i wouldn’t be confident they beat out Cohen for anyone Cohen likes ever again
ChuckyNJ
It’s the Mets who bogart the spotlight by announcing a major signing during the #1 show on US television — Sunday Night Football.
denistaylor
Unfortunately, for the Mets, the Dodgers are still much better than they are. Mets fans will have to watch the Yankees return to the World Series and this time beat the Dodgers.
Raymond Flagstaff
They probably werent even better last year lol. Dodger fans suddenly think they have a masters degree in baseball lmao
Hey now
This is going to a terrible awful contract for the Mets long term but great for Soto
bravesfan
No deferred money is insane… this entire contract is insane. He’s not worth this much money. He won’t bring back this at all. It’s not like Ohtani where he has the pitching element and the international superstar market that’s gonna pay for the contract in a couple years, like this might not even make up half of it.
Raymond Flagstaff
Welp braves fan has seen the books, braves fan is very worried about what value the mets have gotten, wonder why? Guess he is longing for the wilpons back lol
greg1
15 years, wow! I mean, there is a realistic chance that the Mets could be paying Soto nearly $55M going into his age 41 season.
I guess Boras is back on top after last year’s rough ride.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
Cheers to the Mets for getting Soto out of the AL East. Judge is going to get 600 walks next year.
just_thinkin
Stanton is due for an injury year also, so the Yankees are not really scary at all right now, even if they sign Alonso.
dclivejazz
As a Nats fan, Soto going to the Mets is a bummer. I’m happy for him and congrats to the Mets, but it is going to be galling to have him playing on a division rival against us, on top of the players from Nats North.
metsareoverdue
He lives!!!
ghostofmookiebetts
In the world of professional baseball, calling Soto greedy is such a lazy and dumb take.
Ma4170
He is…. Most of them are. He already earned $82M before the contract. The fact that they all look to surpass the previous high contract even when their performances dont warrant it is the epitome of greed.
ghostofmookiebetts
Until the BILLIONAIRE owners decide to equally share their profits with their player no player is greedy no matter the size of the contract.
Idiot_Wind
Mets- sore winners
Raymond Flagstaff
yea they should be bitter, youre right. maybe theyre tired of dummies calling soto, ‘one dimensional’ as if that wasnt the most controllable half of the game. I picture these fools sitting around calling ted williams one dimensional (almost exactly same thing)
Idiot_Wind
What
Idiot_Wind
Age ’30’ season. I imagine Soto is already nearly 30
Raymond Flagstaff
i imagine you are sitting in a dark room with tears streaming onto your keyboard… and i am more likely correct. Mets are “sore winners” and you’re sitting around making up lies because you’re a sore LOSER, Hard to not seem like a sore winner with so many losers like you around
Idiot_Wind
Huh?
Slider_withcheese
The Mets may have gotten better by signing him but the Yankees, Red Sox, BlueJays, and Dodgers got better by not.
Raymond Flagstaff
Hard to be poor lol
Sabermetric Acolyte
Honestly… I’m kinda impressed. As a Red Sox fan, I’m more happy he’s not in the Bronx.
I’m not convinced this will be an albatross contract. 1) Currently the Mets ownership doesn’t care about what it’ll cost to win it all so we’re not really factoring budget into the concern. 2) Soto is only 26, even going by the common thought that most hitters start becoming less productive around 32-26, we’re still talking about a majority of the contract. And even after that…
The simple reality is, the Mets bought a franchise face with the bat to go along with it. And they did it by stealing away a player from a cross town rival. Pretty much if they win the WS in the next 15 years, the contract is a win. The only way it fails is if Soto has a sudden series of debilitating injuries or some scandal comes out that says he’s actually five years older (That’s a joke, not a conspiracy theory). Congrats Mets… though you still have to get to the promised land.
jsaldi
Just glad the dodgers stayed away. Now resign Teoscar and Sasaki and let’s go….,
theonlydynasty
So if league minimum is around 765k, and Soto got 765M. He is now worth a millennium
Greensoxbaseball
Cashman now has some serious work to do. The Yankees Projected lineup atm just isnt good & pitching is meh. lol
t3f
I am thankful that the Yankees dis not sign Soto. The contract would have hamstrung them financially for the next 15 years. Is Soto an elite offensive player? Yes, but you still have to put a competent team around him. Steve Cohen can afford to do that. Steinbrenner cannot. The prospect of a Soto-less Yankees team for 2025 and beyond can still be exciting.
Yankeesforever
Why does this keep getting repeated
People often say that Cole’s contract would hinder the Yankees in re-signing Judge and that Judge’s new contract would similarly restrict the Yankees, yet they were still prepared to offer $760 million to Soto. The only hamstring is in the optics the franchise tries to sell to the public.
The funds will always be available as contracts expire and new ones are signed, and the cost of contracts will not decrease. Cole’s contract, for instance, is now considered a bargain and in 10 years this contract will also be. viewed as one when compared to what decent players will be getting.
Psychguy
Enjoy a few years of success followed by an albatross of a contract.
tuck 2
I hear you and usually agree but he is only 26, so they could get a decent 10 years out of him
Ma4170
6-7 if lucky but hopefully he opts out by then
tuck 2
For once Boras actually helped his client with all his BS. He knew Soto was going to the Mets from day 1, but made his client a fortune by making others think they had a chance so they’d drive up the bidding.
Raymond Flagstaff
Thats boras’ job. Something he does in every situation he can. Actually
Bobby smac9
Glad he went to the Mets.. Let them spend like drunken sailors.
Raymond Flagstaff
Thanks i agree
mets1977
Mets had over $50 million coming off the books with Verlander, Scherzer and McCann….Soto salary just replaces these. Still money left to resign Pete and Manena and create a bullpen. Have faith in Stearns to get this done AND SPEND LESS than last season.
MetsFan74
As a fellow Mets fan please remind me when/if Bonilla, Saberhagen and Johan Santana’s money comes/ came off the books too.
LETS GO METS
mets1977
Bonilla’s deferral won’t end in our lifetime. There are I think 3 or 4 small deferrals spread out over the next couple of years but none of them are of any significance. I may be wrong but I think Santana’s is over and Saberhagen may have ended also.
Bobby smac9
Saberhagen 250,000 through 29
RockinRobin
I don’t know, I’m just not that high on Soto. Good hitter, of course. If he plays like he has the last 4 years with a OPS of .943 over the next 10 years, likely a HOFer.
And I would him on my team too.
For this kind of money, I would want a highly marketable player too. I think of Judge, Harper, Ohtani, Betts.
That’s just me.
Raymond Flagstaff
Sounds racist. What makes them marketable? Do more japanese, whites, and blacks play baseball than hispanics? Seems a faulty misinformed logic to me
RockinRobin
I get that in 2024 people like to connect unrelated dots to call out some kind morality judgment. Especially based on a post on a baseball board.
You are wrong saying I or what I am saying is racist. I just don’t see Soto as that high-profile, marketable guy. It’s my opinion, which means I can be wrong. I don’t care if you disagree with me. Most opinions are faulty and not always based on some kind of facts. Especially when talking sports.
But you don’t know me. You nothing of my morals, personal beliefs, my background, or the racial make up of the people in my life. How could you on a comment board?
Don’t go to these personal jabs on a comment board. It make you look shallow.
Raymond Flagstaff
i am not saying you are racist, i am saying that statement sounds racist. you are proving it by not justifying it instead just telling me its shallow to point out the absurdity of what you said. frankly i couldnt care less if you are racist so long as you dont harm anyone i dont care what your beliefs are
why is a young arrogant dominican slugger not marketable but a young arrogant white american slugger, harper is marketable? A similar black american slugger in Betts is marketable? why? ex[plain. Sure Japan is focused on ohtani, but they have several stars in MLB. Again why? i’ll give you ohtani looks like a cartoon and people like that sort of thing and helps his marketing. but overall your statement is absurd and false
RockinRobin
Stop.
Drawing inane conclusions based on my comment is just foolish.
Be better.
RWH 2
It will be interesting to see how Soto reacts to getting such life changing money. Will he still be interested in playing hard each and every game? Wait and see.
PS: I am glad he’s out of the AL.
Jdt8312
Reading through some of the comments, I think some people forget the Mets went to the NLCS, and won 2 games. Now we’ve signed Juan Soto. And we’re not done.
Raymond Flagstaff
its hard to wade through all the salt
WtfMate
He could buy the WNBA and have 3/4 of his contract left
Raymond Flagstaff
is caitlin clark worth that?
Seahawks19081
I would imagine he opts out when he can, obviously if he keeps up his production and stays healthy.
Raymond Flagstaff
As i understand it he cant if the mets escalate
Seahawks19081
Looks like you’re correct. I read it wrong. Thanks for the catch
TheVertMan
He’s no longer a Yankee! Ha ha ha!
geotheo
A little perspective on the Soto contract. Compare his contract with players from the NFL and NBA
Juan Soto-765 million for 15 years-average salary 51 million
Bradley Beal-251m for 5y-50.2m average
Kevin Durant-194/4 average 48.5
Steph Curry-215/4 average 53.75
Joel Embid-192.9/3-average 64
Paul George-211/4-average 52.75
Lamar Jackson-260/5-average 52
Patrick Mahomes-450/10 a measly 45 million a year average. No wonder he has to do so many commercials just to make ends meet.
Bottom line is 51 million a year for Juan Soto isn’t necessarily out of line for an athlete of his stature. What’s giving people sticker shock is the years and the total price tag of the package. But with the probability that average salaries will escalate over the next decade in 8-9 years the Soto contract could be considered a bargain. Good thing Boras included an opt out and incentives to provide Soto financial security
chemfinancing
It’s all just a pure tragedy
rockingryan
Who?
energel
At his age 25 season, he has 201 Homers. at 25 for Pujols, he had 201 ended up hitting over 700 homers. Soto hitting 700?
Raymond Flagstaff
Depends if he stays healthy, no reason to think he wont
Indianfan
Just what the Mets needed, another juvenile-acting superstar on their roster. Does Lindor have an opt out clause in his contract? Playing second fiddle is not his thing.
Raymond Flagstaff
wow so bitter. pathetic
Chris G.
Of all the terrible takes, this might top them all. Soto and Lindor are two players that have conducted themselves in the most professional manner for their entire careers.
Raymond Flagstaff
Eh soto has acted like a child but he was so… his game and certainly lindor have been incredbly professional. Mosto sotos jackassery is on he field imo, and i doubt it lasts like it didnt for harper
Raymond Flagstaff
If you compare it to Trouts, and add actual inflation from john williams shadow stats youll find the deal is not really an outlier. Amazing how bad people are at understanding inflation
pogo
Whose gonna play OF? DH is locked up for 15 years.
johncoltrane
Where are the clowns who kept saying redsox or bluejays?? Soto was never in a Million yrs going to boston or toronto
Always either yanks or mets & most likely mets
Raymond Flagstaff
well it was the Mets. Red Sox had a good shot. People suggested it because they’ve lived through it before. I’m positive Red Sox had a shot, Mets and Yankees wanted him more and had more money. Thats all. They could have backed out and he would likely be a Red Sox
johncoltrane
Never in a million years
Raymond Flagstaff
disagreed as i have not been al ive a million years so my experience tells me you are being hyperbolic
Raymond Flagstaff
All the crying about salary cap seems like a bad joke. Finally the Mets make a splash and suddenly the league needs a cap? Besides it doesnt effect the Pirates in any way what so ever if the Mets or Yankees took this up to 1 billion. In fact they get more money if so. Communists are always full of envy. Also, don’t forget Cohen isn’t simply using money from owning a NY franchise, he is using his personal money as far as we know. Every team is currently experiencing envy now it seems like. wishing they had an owner just like that
RockinRobin
I am sure every team is not experiencing envy.
Many teams knew they were never in the running for Soto’s contract. As a Brewer fan, I never once thought this was even an opportunity. I just wondered where he would land.
Raymond Flagstaff
one doesnt have to expect a boon to be envious of those who got it. and no i dont literally think every team every fanbase every person is envious. but reading the comments its quite a bit!
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@Raymond Flagstaff
I guess you must be a new Mets fan as of the last 24 hours because fans have been complaining about a Salary Cap for at least a decade or two.
As for me, I’m probably giving up on my statements about calling for a Cap&Floor system. I feel that there are just too many signs at this point that not just the MLBPA doesn’t want a cap, but probably every owner too, but the owners won’t admit to it outside of those closed doors. We see that luxury taxes don’t stop big market teams and we see that trying to “penalize” revenue sharing collecting teams doesn’t make them spend. The facts are that big market teams can go over the luxury tax because the investment on the players pay for the tax as well. And we see that the teams that don’t spend benefit more from not spending and just pocketing the money. These ownerships have many intelligent business men around them, so they know. This leads me to see it as an intended thing of not having a Cap&Floor system because the owners feel they make more money by having the big markets win, the medium and small market teams just serve as opponents during the regular season (while some winning in the postseason), and other aspects to all this. And while I’m overgeneralizing because there are more moving cogs in all of this, just look at another tell, among the many other tells. We clearly see franchises that can’t or won’t compete, but MLB does nothing about it…and they are actually talking about expansion due to making so much revenue. For the good of the league, you need balance, but refuse to do it because you make tons of money with the current system. You have failing teams, but will be expanding? You have superteams now starting to be build to compete against teams whose best player would, at best, be a supporting cast player on the superteams. Nah, something ain’t right here. I won’t go into it too much – maybe later. But after all my years of watching this game, I feel like something don’t pass the sniff test. It’s funny how it all doesn’t make sense in league structure sense, but it makes the most sense fiscally.
Guys, i think we’re all being duped. I love baseball and have my entire life since I was first introduced to it. But I also saw what people like David Stearns did to the NBA when he was trying to build it up, and what Don King did to boxing. All of us know that baseball can’t ever be rigged up like those sports have historically done, but you can make an unfair balance for competition like we have now that ssures big market teams in the postseason and winning more.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
typo…David Stern did to the NBA.
DarrenDreifortsContract
For Juan Soto? lmao.
Dodgers in 3.
stingray23
Doyers in nada, foo.
TheJoker
Good for Soto.
Grew up a Mets fan from ’66 until leaving NY in ’88.
Sure, the contract will be insured… but, it only takes one torn ACL.
Ryan W
As a Padres fan, I found the Yankee fandom hilarious this past year surrounding Soto. They thought he would magically develop some kind of loyalty, when he’s been very clear since DC that he simply cared about the max dollar. Now all those fans are turning on him because of something he never suggested.
Raymond Flagstaff
yankee fans learned “yankee mystique’ wasn’t worth more than 5 million dollars. take it easy on them its like finding out there is no santa claus
stingray23
lol
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
It’ll be the same as the first time. Cohen spending crazy money for a chip. Then when they don’t win the Series, he’ll tear it down again…
Raymond Flagstaff
Second best transaction in Mets history after cohen buying the team
iBleeedBlue
Is there a rule that states you have to pitch to a hitter? I’d be giving him nothing but free passes and taking the bat out his hands just to make a statement.
Raymond Flagstaff
completely justifying the contract lol
Boodge106
The Mets would take that all day long, and let the rest of their offense drive him in. Especially since he will be batting second meaning that their 3-5 hitters will be behind him. Once you get burned enough times, you stop touching the stove. I’m sure the Giants didn’t mind when Barry Bonds was intentionally walked with the bases loaded lol.
johncoltrane
Tms will be very careful with their potential superstars going fwd. they’ll lock em up before they have a major lg AB in case they turn into next soto
BannedMarlinsFanBase
The problem is that many of them refuse to re-sign and take it to free agency. Also, it’s a bad plan if you put a huge contract for a kid that ends up being a bust – which most prospects don’t perform to the expected potential.
64' Yanks
Congrats to Soto! It wasn’t only the money! He’s going to an organization with an owner that wants to win! Plus, play for a manager who knows what he is doing on the field instead of being only good making excuses. Lets Go Mets!
BannedMarlinsFanBase
I don’t think you realize that Cohen and the Mets signed a $765 million bullseye on their back considering they are in a divison where all five teams like burning each other. This isn’t like the other division where teams will lay down for you once they’re out of it.
The Mets will be under a lot of pressure to win within a division that is historically tough due to the mentality of trying to win, then if that fails, try to burn a division rival.
Good luck with that considering how many times the Mets have been burned by it.
padrepapi
The contract is a monster but I think if they’re going to break some record AAV’s they’re better off doing so for a big bat that should be in his prime versus on SP’s in their late 30’s like they did with Scherzer and Verlander.
Thankfully for Soto’s sake he didn’t end up on a team that’s going to have to slash payroll down the road turning him into a burden regardless of his production, like Arod with the Rangers or Stanton with the Marlins.
I expect the Mets will be just fine.
johncoltrane
1979 was the 1st time any mlb player earned $1mil a year- nolan ryan. his contract was 4 yrs/4mil.
in 1991 the largest deal was bobby bonilla. the mets gave him 29mil over 5 yrs (this is the contract they infamously deferred during the final yr).
soto just made 765 mil (potentially 805). how can mlb salaries increase so substantially in only a few decades? minimum wage was $3.10 in 1980. now its $16. thats 5x. soto’s contract is 200x larger than nolan ryan’s back then. beyond insanity
whyhayzee
A Love Supreme is certified platinum which means it has sold over one million copies. How much money do you think John Coltrane made off that recording? He released 25 albums as a leader during his lifetime. How much money do you think he made off those recordings? He is certainly one of the great jazz improvisers along with Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Wes Montgomery, Cifford Brown, JJ Johnson, Ray Brown, and many others. None of those guys made much money. They were true artists, not merely entertainers.
Athletes are now part of the entertainment world where we spend gobs and gobs of our money on spectating. Hence, they make gobs and gobs of money.
Manks/Yets
Imagine Mingus in right field, Soto to 1st/DH. Or check in with Sonny Rollins
numberoneslayerfan
that’s a lot, hopefully he doesn’t become a turbo-mega pujols-type albatross
heavenblu4u
He’s not worth that kind of money.
TellItGoodbye
Can’t run, can’t field, zero personality, zero fear placed in opposing pitcher when he bats or is on deck. Eeek – he might walk! He’s not “generational” or “iconic”. Nobody comes to the ballpark for Juan Soto. He’s boring. I’d rather have Willy Adames. Astronomical overpay.
Boodge106
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This gave me a great chuckle. Thank you!
TellItGoodbye
Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.
THEY LIVE!!!
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TellItGoodbye
Exactly!!
mad1
Fyi, max fried signed with yanks already
cooperhill
Not news!
LordD99
Wut? Cohen signed Soto? How’d I miss this story? Barely reported here in NY.
Without Judge behind him, I expect he’ll slash closer to what he did the two prior years. 259/.406 /.487. Better than that, but not dramatically. This guy has a phenomenal eye, but overall he’s not the modern Ted Williams as he’s often called. He was hidden a bit defensively with the short RF at Yankee Stadium, so he’ll be more challenged at Citi, so the question is how many years will the Mets keep him out there before converting him to DH?
TellItGoodbye
Most overrated player in the history of mankind.
Boodge106
Except that the vast majority of elite players do not produce their best numbers until their late 20’s. He is just entering his prime and his BEST years are likely ahead of him. The Mets have plenty of great hitters around him, especially once they resign Alonso. This is not the Marlins.
Dustyslambchops23
If multiple teams were willing to shell out 500,600, 700 million for Soto, why didn’t they bid more for Ohtani last year? Even just to drive up the price for the dodgers
ThonolansGhost
Ohtani was injured and a few years older than Soto.
LordD99
Because Ohtani wasn’t leaving the West Coast and wanted to be a Dodger. Cohen (and the Yankees) both knew they had no opportunity to bid. Same with Yamamoto. No sense bidding when the player doesn’t have an interest.
Dustyslambchops23
That’s not true at all. Why would you let a competitor take an easy path
desertdawg
What a waste of 765 million dollars just goes to show that there is no baseball player worth a contract like that, same goes for Ohtani. Just saying is Soto going to hit 400 drive in 150, hit 70 HRs and become a gold glove outfielder with this contract, don’t think so. He is just a good player, that people think he is the next all time super star. He is just a good baseball player that is it. What happen if he hits around 250 drives in 75, only hits 20 HR a season for the next 10 years, will he be called a bust for the Mets signing him to this contract, Soto will not be an MVP 15 years in row, because he is a good ball player nothing special just a good ball player with an outlandish contract that no one can live up to.
YankeesAreDodgersEast
Owners making billions off their backs, why exactly don’t they “deserve” what they’re getting paid?
You won’t have any logical response.
TellItGoodbye
Exactly! But it won’t matter to the WAR and OBP police – they will still claim we don’t know what we’re talking about, and he’s worth every dime. He’s boring and very good. That’s it. Nothing more.
johncoltrane
soto just made $122mil instantly wow!
and so the greatest era in mets history begins
yanks2323
Not worth $500 mil
LLGiants64
With the 31 million from the 24 season, Soto’s income for 2024 will be 106 million. Not counting endorsement money. Not too bad.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
Lol. Is that a rumor or did the Mets really sign Soto? I heard the Red Sox are still interested 🙂
Indianfan
Total insanity by the Mets and their desperate owner.
7Line
Incredible signing by our Mets, yes!! Am I thrilled, no. I know the Mets are not done yet, they need to pay Pete and stop messing around with him. We need a legit Center Fielder, please and more starting pitching for sure! I truly hope this is a new era for our Mets!!!
Doron
I don’t get fellow Yankees fans that are upset about Soto choosing the Mets.
He was all about the $’s, not about being a Yankee.
He will now head to Queens, and get paid, and every 2-3 seasons, the Mets will strip and rebuild, since their only tradition is sucking.
The Yankees Power On!!!
Johnnie Cochran
Chris Landers from Fansided just claimed that Juan Soto and Manny Machado didn’t get along when he was in San Diego.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” has to START the sentence. It’s not supposed to come in the middle, separated by commas.
“Historic as the Soto agreement is” is NOT PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave “as” out at the start of the sentence because you feel like it. It’s not optional, and neither is proper grammar.
Cash-Man-NY
Unless Soto suddenly becomes a pitcher Met’s fans most likely will be enjoying a season of long, high scoring slug fests day in and day out