Mariners right-hander Luis Castillo has received plenty of interest from various clubs amid a hot market for starting pitching this winter, with the Red Sox and Cubs among the teams who have been connected to the right-hander so far. A report from The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal this evening name-checks two more clubs who have “at least inquired” after the veteran: the Mets and the Orioles. With that said, however, Rosenthal emphasizes that Mariners are only willing to deal Castillo if the return package improves the big league club as they look to return to the postseason next year.
Both clubs are certainly sensible suitors for the right-hander. The Mets have already added Clay Holmes and Frankie Montas to a rotation that entered the offseason with only Kodai Senga and David Peterson locked into starting roles for 2025, but those additions offer little certainty to the Mets. That makes a steady and reliable arm like Castillo’s a sensible choice for that final rotation spot in Queens, but it’s unclear whether New York has the big-league ready pieces to offer Seattle in order to facilitate a deal. Top prospect Luisangel Acuna would surely be attractive to the Mariners as a big league ready infield option who looked good in a 14-game cup of coffee with the Mets last year, but the soon-to-be 23 year old could be a major factor in the club’s plans for 2025 given his ability to not only play the infield and also a strong center field. That figures to be particularly true if the Mets fail to re-sign Pete Alonso and move Mark Vientos to first base, which would seemingly open up regular playing time for Acuna at either second or third base.
The Orioles, by contrast, have a surplus of talent around the infield that could be attractive to the Mariners as they look for a front-of-the-rotation arm to replace free agent hurler Corbin Burnes. In particular, the club has a bit of a logjam at first base that the Mariners could stand to benefit from. While it’s unclear if Baltimore would be willing to part ways with top prospect Coby Mayo, Ryan Mountcastle and Ryan O’Hearn were forced to share first base duties last year thanks to a crowded positional mix that figures to only become more cramped with the growing playing time needs of youngsters like Mayo, Heston Kjerstad, and Jackson Holliday. With Holliday poised to take over second base on an everyday basis in 2025, it’s also possible that a veteran infielder like Ramon Urias could be available for the Mariners in a deal.
Another obstacle to a potential Castillo deal, Rosenthal writes, is that parting ways with the right-hander could leave the club thin on rotation depth. While their top four of Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller, and Bryan Woo would remain among the strongest in the sport, big league ready options like Emerson Hancock and Jhonathan Diaz don’t provide much confidence for the Mariners’ back-end. One solution to that problem, of course, could be a young pitcher heading back to Seattle as part of the return for Castillo. The Cubs (Jordan Wicks and Javier Assad), Red Sox (Richard Fitts and Cooper Criswell), Mets (Tylor Megill and Paul Blackburn), and Orioles (Cade Povich and Trevor Rogers) all have players on the rotation bubble who they could at least theoretically make available in trade talks with the Mariners, should improving rotation depth be key to a deal from Seattle’s perspective.
jvent
Don’t want Castillo, don’t need to trade prospects for him, I’d rather just sign Sasaki or Buehler
murphy8
For the Cubs? If so me as well.
VermonsterSD
Well, whatever your team is has no say in Sasaki, and they’ll have to wait a month anyway.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Sasaki isn’t really a free agent he’s either going to LA or San Diego
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Don’t they have to have the Bonus pool?
Wire to wire 2024
Well beuhler is a pretty big question mark and we won’t know about sasaki for a month…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
For which team? Do they have the International Pool Money to get a deal done?
momTurphy
Since Roki will sign after Jan 15, intl money will be replenished for all. And he’s not going to go to the highest bidder there (like Ohtani), but the team that has the best pitch (pun intended) for him.
proton
Seattle has over $7mill to spend and could get more if need be. You Cubbie fans need to forget him he is a West Coast guy. Will sign in Seattle Dodgers SF or SD. Ichiro will close the deal and bring him to Seattle.
blackyjack
Seattle really has closer to $4M as they already have big commitments to two of the top international free agents for 2025
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
If Castillo is Moved you can bet the Mariners will get Bonus money Back 100% to make THE PITCH…
cwsOverhaul
@jvent: Mets have a cash bully pulpit and higher risk tolerance. Make Buehler turn down as example 5/125mil in favor of others offering 2yrs w/opt out. TJS is the norm. My bet is he hit his groove and last playoffs are start of high quality again.
EricS
Easy to bet with someone elses money, eh?
cwsOverhaul
Echo that sentiment in most situations. Few teams can do that. Believe Buehler is back and won’t flinch in high pressure moments as Mets strive for first title since ’86. Just did it for LAD (’20 was joke season no fault of LAD).
mets1977
Buehler makes perfect sense for the Mets. He should be back to full strength next season. He has been a solid starter, it takes almost 2 seasons to completely recover from Tommy John Surgery, he should be a quality #3 starter going forward. Sign him and Manaea and pitching is good. See how Sproat does in minors next season and they could trade a pitcher during the trading deadline for another need if Sproat is ready to be #5.
momTurphy
It’s possible and reasonable that the Mets view Elian Diaz as a better option than Roki Sasaki. They have the toughest decision because giving up as elite an international prospect as him would be very difficult.
JackStrawb
@mets1977 A #3?
Buehler from 2018 through 2022 was an ace, with a 2.95 ERA / 3.22 FIP and 139 ERA+. If he gets back to that the acquiring team has a remarkably inexpensive #1. He won’t go cheap this offseason, as a result.
As for trading for a pitcher at the deadline, that’s hope as a strategy. The cost is often prohibitive if the guy you need is even available, and there’s always another team ready to pay an absurd price for him.
Look at 2024. Stearns didn’t believe in the team enough to add even someone like Flaherty, and one result is that the Mets had to play down to the last day of the season then got bounced by the Dodgers in no small part because they had a Flaherty and the Mets didn’t.
Baseball is always harder than you think.
HumbleO'sFanWhoHatesYourFace
We’ll take him. M’s can have Mountcastle, Rogers, and a scratcher. O’s take Castillo and all the $$
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Actually that’s a Fair trade only question is does Mountcastle have the arm to play 3rd?
HumbleO'sFanWhoHatesYourFace
They tried him there after SS and before LF. He wasn’t very good at those positions but he does bring that athleticism to 1B and is quite good defensively. He’s a 30 HR guy, has been a victim of Walltimore
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Exactly my point if he can’t produce thise numbers at 3rd base its better to hold onto Castillo… a .265 25+HR 3rd baseman is VERY hard to find…
blackyjack
Castillo far better than Buehler and healthier too. Everyone wants Sasaki
Wire to wire 2024
Yeah those three are completely different conversations lol
Pete'sView
Wasn’t Castillo originally signed by the Giants? Maybe it’s time for him to come back to the Bay in a trade.
Mariner fans, what REALISTICALLY would the Mariners want for Castillo?
dsals214
Lamonte Wade would save the Ms some money and help solve at least one infield position, but that probably makes too much sense
Can we please get a DH?
Mariners cannot fit another platoon player to their roster, so LaMonte Wade Jr wouldn’t work.
MsFanWithPaperBag
Most likely scenario for the m’s IS a platoon at first base with Raley.
The mariners currently have zero platoons marked in pen in their lineup.
Can we please get a DH?
I’d say the M’s likely have Raley lead a 1B or DH platoon and either the 2B or 3B situation eventually becomes a platoon between TBD and Moore. You throw in one bench slot for Garver as back up catcher and then you have one bench slot left making it hard to fit another platoon player.
MsFanWithPaperBag
I agree but lamonte wade would be a good fit to platoon with Raley at 1st
Can we please get a DH?
LaMonte and Raley are both LHH who can only play against RHP. They’d be an awful platoon pairing.
crazybaseballgal
As a Mariners fan who lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and follow the Giants – LaMonte Wade is not enough for Castillo.
dsals214
Yeah I think it would be take some of the savings to up the offer to Santana or Turner and use that player at DH against righties, first against lefties, with both Garver and Raleigh getting in the lineup against lefties at C/DH. Then presumably they’d still have the budget to upgrade at either second or third. Then pray on Roki I guess
dsals214
Raley makes sense in a hybrid platoon/OF role because he’s the only lefty of the four they have, so he should be able to get time out there against righties
CGG12
Wade and Black with the M’s covering some cash going the other way.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Idk- not a Mariners fan. Wouldn’t get enough though.
I will say that Mariners need a real splash if they hope to do anything with that offense. They could trade either Kirby or Gilbert for a REAL impact player, but idk if that would happen.
Sorry, but Arozarena and JRod aren’t The Guys-they are good support characters in the long run, but the Mariners need a REAL stud on offense in addition to those two guys if they want to make an impact in the playoffs. It could be worth it- their pitching is deep.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Hell no on trading Gilbert and Kirby
Elon’sDOGEbag
I only want to see you less sad, tormented and neglected.
Which one is going to have a career like Greg Maddux and which one will be Shelby Miller? Trade the Shelby Miller one! (Kirby?)
Samuel
“…..their pitching is deep.”
Elon’sDOGEbag;
Let’s see if that holds a year and two years from now.
Mr. Dipoto is yet another Baseball Head that doesn’t build balanced teams, he fills holes. One area is strong for awhile, then it regresses but another area becomes strong for awhile. Meanwhile the team continues in circles.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Samuel
I agree.
Selah Rick 2
We all agree! But does it have to be said after every Seattle article? That’s the real question we all want answered!
Elon’sDOGEbag
I don’t read every article on here- and especially not all the comments- so many of them are so angry. Also, who has the time?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Neither of those guys are available… Mariners run it back with the same trash as before and sign JT and maybe Rojas to a 1year deal before they move those guys….
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Yeah prob just tradeacuna’s alt account
Yankees should trade Aaron judge because he’s getting old and at his peak!!! Tigers should trade Tarik skubal because he’s going to get TJ!!!
Elon’sDOGEbag
Haha definitely not- I’ve seen that guy…and you are being ridiculous. Skubal is great for the Tigers. If they get a stud like the Cubs got with Tucker, they will probably make the LCS next year.
I’m not talking about stupid trades for the sake of stupid trades. I’m talking about the Mariners doing what it takes to get a REAL stud to help lead their offense.
I’m serious, Mariners should consider trading top pitching to get out of limbo hell- or they have no chance. They aren’t going to compete for much with the worst batting average in the league.
I’d put my money on Kirby being a flop in the near future. Gilbert is a machine.
“I wish I wasn’t out there for the seventh, to be honest,’
-George Kirby
blackyjack
JRod is a “support player”? Are you serious?
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He certainly plays like one.
MsFanWithPaperBag
Julio has a higher WAR than Kyle tucker the last 3 years.
Guess tucker is just a support player….whatever that means
Elon’sDOGEbag
Very serious. .270 hitter worth 25 hrs and 20 steals? Not a stud, sorry.
I get wanting to deny the reality of that though because the talent is there. Unfortunately, poor management may have cramped his development the past few years.
Elon’sDOGEbag
WAR is not the answer.
Tucker was leading MLB in hrs the first two months or so before he went down with an injury this season. Jrod has been plenty healthy. Be serious.
MsFanWithPaperBag
I agree he’s underperformed compared to the hype around him but he’s still averaged 5+ WAR a year in his 3 year career.
Only astro who’s been better is Yordan
Elon’sDOGEbag
It’s not about WAR or the Astros, it’s about development as a hitter at the plate.
Tucker is in his prime and was on a tear before he got hurt- should bounce back fine next year.
JRod is a fine outfielder but his growth as a hitter has been stunted. I don’t want him to fail- I’m not even a fan of any of the teams in the AL west, personally. Just a baseball fan. It’s sad to see.
TMQ
Did you just describe Julio Rodriguez as a “good support character”? Lol that’s utter nonsense. And you also forgot to reclamation project that is Victor Robles who killed it for the Mariners last year. They also have a farm system that’s loaded with potential in terms of MLB hitters.
Elon’sDOGEbag
TMQ
I doubt Robles will ever be that good again.
Hopefully JRod’s hitting improves, but it seems he has gone backwards-not forwards- as a hitter. It’s not utter nonsense.
momTurphy
The Mariners don’t need to trade Castillo. It isn’t like a Bellinger situation where he’s expensive and they have 5 other outfielders all just as good or better.
The talk of Castillo trades came only after the market went haywire with overpays (as well as prospects being valued less which the mariners would prefer to trade). To trade Castillo will require an overpay from the other team to make it worth their time to trade him. Otherwise they can piece some minor things together and use a loaded farm system that will add a top 50 prospect in the draft to add at the deadline.
It would take a team taking the entire contract and an above average bat preferably at 3B (but definitely in the infield) at the minimum I think.
Jordo87
Well if team(s) are willing to over pay then why not?
crazybaseballgal
Agree with MomTurphy!
Elon’sDOGEbag
I don’t think they’ll actually trade him unless they get suckered. I’d guess Ryan Mountcastle is about what you could expect in return. And I think Mountcastle in Seattle would be awful, so no go.
sillywabbit
Market value for Castillo. Every time a free agent pitcher signs, his contract looks better. The Mariners really shouldn’t trade home as our # 6 is Emerson Hancock. Not really much sp depth in the minors.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Hancock is a Great #5 we’re just spoiled seeing sub 3.00ERA with our 5 Armed MONSTER
jmaggio76
hell no… not for Acuna! maybe Marte and McNeil at the minimum… add baty. but hell no, not acuna
fathead0507
They want to IMPROVE their team not take washed up players
Can we please get a DH?
M’s don’t want a prospect in Acuna who was awful in AAA and was struggling to hit the ball out of the infield in his cup of coffee.
If the Mets paid down a chunk of McNeil’s contract, there would be a path there with the inclusion of Baty.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
McNeil is absolutely worthless and would just become the next Adam Frazier, kolten wong, Jorge polanco in Seattle
Can we please get a DH?
I’ll give you the Frazier downside scenario. However, if the Met’s paid half of his guaranteed contract such that it was 2yrs/$15.75M for McNeil, I think it’d be worthwhile as a placeholder/veteran while Young, Emerson and Arroyo finish their development.
Ma4170
I dont think so actually, but i could see why you’d say that. I see mcneil bouncing back. But if i were seattle i’d want acuna.
metsin4
He had a .641 slugging percentage with 6 extra base hits and 3 HRs in 14 games. Not sure why you added that in there.
Can we please get a DH?
In his last 13 ABs he went 2/13. In AAA, he had under a .100 ISO and a 69 wRC+.
I’m not buying his bat at being anywhere near ready.
Raymond Flagstaff
His last 13 AB’s?
Blue Baron
As if 13 ABs is a statistically significant sample size.
Ma4170
I dont love acuna, but he did do well in MLB in his short stint, and tore up winter ball. His stock is up a bit right now.
rct
“If the Mets paid down a chunk of McNeil’s contract”
Why would they do this? Castillo has 3/$75 million left on his deal. He’s an aging, declining pitcher who is completely different away from T-Mobile Park.
Baseballisthebest
Dh, I know. His .641 SLG and 3 HR IN 39 AB sure shows that he is a barely able to get the ball out of the infield.
Can we please get a DH?
If we are counting 39 ABs as statistically significant, why not 13? If we was ready, he would’ve played when everyone was healthy, but instead only got 3 ABs in the postseason. There is a reason why Acuna slipped to being the 12th ranked prospect in their system.
I think Mauricio is a more interesting prospect at this point.
DanzigInTheDark
If the M’s are looking for closer to MLB-ready, I would take Acuña over Mauricio. I like both prospects as a Mets fan but Mauricio is apparently recovering slowly from his knee injury last winter and no one is sure if he’ll be ready for spring training.
Acuña has some questions with the bat but has plus speed and a plus glove up the middle at 2B/SS/CF. Feels like he could evolve into a Zobrist-like option with the right coaching.
Baseballisthebest
“and was struggling to hit the ball out of the infield in his cup of coffee.”
My sarcasm at your statement obviously went over your head. I am assuming that happens to you a lot.
SodoMojo90
It bounced off his head, like Canseco.
Jdt8312
You’re not serious about Acuña? He wasn’t great in AAA. But he was smoking the ball when he came up here. I think you should probably check his line again. The Mets wouldn’t have made the playoffs without him filling in for Lindor. It’s all good tho. He’s staying put.
muskie73
FWIW Steamer projects Luisangel Acuna with a 2025 WAR of 0.8 and a wRC+ of 87 in 60 games”
fangraphs.com/players/luisangel-acuna/26548/stats?…
Can we please get a DH?
And it projects Ryan Bliss to have 1 WAR and a 94 wRC+ in 68 games. M’s wouldn’t be improving their in-house options by bringing in Acuna and would expect Young to surpass both within the next year anyways.
Baseballisthebest
Which was almost exactly what the Steamer projections were for Duran prior to 2023.
danumd87 2
They’re not looking to give him away. Marte has negative trade value.
MsFanWithPaperBag
I wouldn’t take prospects for castillo either but I’d prefer that over marte and McNeil cuz they washed
toycannon
Castillo for Vientos.
metsin4
There is zero percent chance that Vientos gets traded.
Ma4170
Gilbert for vientos maybe… and still the mets arent trading vientos and mariners arent trading any sp not named castillo
Jbigz12
Urias for Castillo! Toss in Brandon Young if they want a ML ready depth option.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Urias isn’t even used on the orioles…
I would love to see Castillo and Dylan moore for Jordan westburg (maybe add cade povich too but then that’s overpay)
It would open an infield spot for mayo and Seattle would have an open rotation spot for Hancock/Logan Evans
Jbigz12
Westburg is a massive overpay.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Absolutely nit, he doesn’t have Power to demand that…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
He’s a Career what? .263 hitter? Hitting in a Hitters Park… you’re over valuing Westburg way too much… he probably hits under 15HRs playing half his Games in Seattle…
gorav114
Is this satire? No way you just quoted Westburg career average.
EricS
Castillo and dylan moore for westburg… and then you thought, oh wait, the Orioles need to add more?!? Jesus man, you need to get a grip
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Elias literally gave 2 good players for a triple A pitcher
If the orioles were ran by Dave dombrowski then I wouldn’t have said anything
danumd87 2
Seriously. Weatburg’s value is SUBSTANTIALLY higher than Castillo’s. There are two pitchers on the mariners who likely could fetch Westburg but I don’t think the mariners would make those moves themselves. But there’s absolutely no chance that Castillo could get all star third baseman with five years of team control Jordan Westburg. lol. The stupid urias swap proposed above – which is insane btw – is substantially more realistic. And it’s garbage. But many many times more possible.
danumd87 2
Dude you’re a clown. You might have taken the title for worst poster on these boards with that comment. Elias has turned two teams around from laughing stocks to perennial contenders. But he makes one move – the results of which we haven’t seen yet since they knew Roger’s needed to be rebuilt – and you’re talking about him like hes trash when he’s literally the most successful executive in the short of the last decade. Btw the “good players” he gave up were Stowers who is a AAAA Ofer with one tool and Norby who has the upside of a utility infielder or bottom 5 in the game 2b man. Real studs those guys. We’ve gotta get you in a room with the other contenders and see which one of you wins the title.
cdouglas24000
No, there’s 5 pitchers on mariners with more value than Westburg (the rest of our rotation and Munoz). Let the kid have a whole sophomore season in bigs before we act like he’s Brett Boone or Ian Kinsler. Castillo for westy is a good trade even if we throw in garver and pay half his salary.
danumd87 2
You’re just wrong. Look at any site that analyzes player value and you’ll see how wrong you are – Not to mention the eye test and coming sense. Fangraphs has Westburg as having the 29th highest value in the sport. Gilbert and Kirby are 22 and 23 btw. Whereas none of your other pitchers sniff the list at all. Anybody who actually watches baseball is aware of the amazing performance and value of Westburg to date. You’re just a silly homer without anything of substance to contribute. There are exactly three players on the mariners more valuable than Westburg. Castillo isn’t one of them. He’s not in the same universe.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Fansgraph is flawed and westburg is a Regular infielder that isn’t even a top10 infielder… you act like he just hit .300 with 25Hrs…
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Danny if westburg is worth 2 above average starters then what the hell is Holliday worth in your mind? An entire rotation??? Would mayo get you a Tarik skubal and more by itself???
danumd87 2
Lots of mariners fans struggling to read today…who mentioned Westburg for two starters? You child were left behind
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Are you kidding? That’s a major overpay by the Mariners… Westburg and Mountcastle for Catillo and Locklear maybe… or take out Locklear and pick a 20-30 prospect from the Mariners which is a 10-15 on another team in Baseball….
EricS
Please change name to brain dead M’s fan. Westburg is far more valuable than Castillo and Dylan Moore. Castillo can’t even pitch outside of Seattle and Moore is a platoon piece
danumd87 2
Outside your mind. Be realistic. Castillo had three years at 25 per and is showing signs of decline. Westburg has five years of control left, was an all star last season, is one of the best lineup “spark plugs” in the sport of the past decade, can play 3b/ss/2b. The list goes on and on. He’s one of the more valuable young players in the game. I doubt the mariners could get him for Castillo AND Emerson. That’s how high his value is right now. The orioles would love Castillo. Love him. For Ryan Mountcastle and urias or a 15-20 lottery ticket. That’s a quite reasonable return.
danumd87 2
Ms fans are looking really bad in the comments of late. You guys are giving tigers and Yankees fan’s a run for their money. We have a surprise new contender for dumbest fans in the sport…I really don’t see this one coming but you guys have lost your collective minds.
Mariners_Mojo
I’d rather have Castillo than westburg
Stevil
That’s rich.
You attempted to call out Mariner fans for being dumb with a comment that’s riddled with mistakes.
Stevil
In case you haven’t noticed, Eric, starting pitching is at a premium right now. That suggestion isn’t the stretch you think it is, so slinging insults probably isn’t a good idea.
Baseballisthebest
Stevil, 32 year old pitchers with a 1.8 War after declining performance the last 3 years and owed a minimum of $75 million over the next 3 are not more valuable than 25 year old 2.4 WAR 3B with 5 years of team control. One is expensive and on his way down. The other cheap and on his way up.
Stevil
You missed the point.
Acquiring starting pitching isn’t cheap and the contracts we’re seeing make Castillo’s look affordable.
This isn’t me saying Castillo is worth more, I’m simply saying it would take something notable to convince Seattle to move him.
Seattle should be asking for a similar type of return.
Bird4Life
Not to mention that 2.4 WAR was in only 107 games because he got hit by a pitch, fractured his hand, and then came back like nothing ever happened. He’s a dude
Stevil
Some of these comments are getting way off track. There’s a reason there have been several posts based on the interest surrounding Castillo: he would be an asset to any team.
HIs fastball still sits 95-96 and he offers innings 372+ over the last two seasons alone). This might be the most underappreciated aspects of Castillo. He’s a workhorse. and his salary is around 22m AAV.. That’s affordable for most teams.
Westburg fits nicely in the AL East, where he rakes. He struggled in the AL West. Camden is also moving the fences in, which certainly isn’t going to hurt the hitters. I don’t expect to see a deal with Baltimore. I don’t think the two teams match up well, not because of the money involved, but because of the player profiles involved. Seattle needs to get pitching in a return as well as a bat.
In any case, salary relief could help offset any differences. Just about anything is possible from a creativity standpoint with Seattle’s front office.
On that note, let me say thank you to all of you who are discussing ideas politely and responding respectfully, regardless of opinions. I typically give people one chance to clean things up before I mute them.
Wishing everyone a nice Sunday
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Westburg hasn’t even proved he can hit above .263 has he? Jus sayin
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
He’s averaged 18quality starts 4years in a row… what decline are you speaking of Sir?
SodoMojo90
Punctuation and correct grammar goes a long way when talking smack to somebody. Continue to let him like look a fool.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Is cole young and both Emersons and Celesten and laz montes worth enough for the almighty man Jordan westburg
SodoMojo90
Laz should be untouchable
Mariners_Mojo
danumd87 2
ba$eba||F@n21
Absolutely no way the Orioles trade Westburg. They trade Mayo before Westburg and that’s likely in a Gilbert or Kirby trade, not for Castillo, at least not without Seattle paying some of that contract.
Jbigz12
No amount of money would lead to a Mayo for Castillo deal either.
danumd87 2
They could pay the full $75 million and I don’t think it’d get them mayo.
muskie73
FWIW Steamer projects Coby Mayo with a 2025 WAR of 0.3 in 97 games (with a 28 percent strikeout rate):
fangraphs.com/players/coby-mayo/28312/stats?positi…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mayo isn’t being traded and they’d move on from Westburg before Mayo… Mayo is their legit 45HR power Bat prospect… and Westburg is a .260 hitter in a Hitters park…
ba$eba||F@n21
You are highly undervaluing Westburg and everything he brings to the team. He is a better defender and has a lot less swing and miss than Mayo. Frankly, at this point he’s more valuable than Mayo even if only due to an experience standpoint. Mayo may well become that 45 HR bat but he’s not there yet and looked very overmatched in his brief stint in the league so far. His potential is where the value is at present and that value could very easily be more to another club than the value Westburg currently brings to the club. They won’t part with either easily but if one has to go to obtain frontline controllable starter it’ll be Mayo quicker than Westburg at present.
rayw
You keep calling Camden Yards a “hitter’s park”. That’s factually inaccurate. It’s been a clear pitchers park for the past couple of years.
muskie73
This year Oriole Park at Camden Yards wasthe eighth-friendliest ballpark for hitters, according to Statcast:
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…
Jbigz12
It was 16th in 2022 and 25th in 2023. Right handed hitters power numbers are suppressed here significantly with the wall.
Much more friendly to LHH. Westburg will be better next season with the new dimensions. Doesn’t really matter though Castillo won’t be an Oriole for anything close to Westy or Mayo.
I’d rather sign Scherzer and hold on until the deadline if prices are exorbitant. Scherzer gets himself back on track and he’s just fine.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Scherzer made what 45M last year?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
A .263 hitting infielder for a top15 pitcher in Kirby… you’re delusional
SodoMojo90
Mayo alone wouldn’t be enough for a proven top of the rotation pitcher like Gilbert or Kirby. Neither is Westburg.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
He’s trying to gaslight us mariners fans!
danumd87 2
I don’t think you’ll get much argument there. Mayo would not and should not pull either of those two guys. Westburg is close but I probably wouldn’t do it if I’m the Ms.
BITA
Urias and Rojas are basically the same guy. Why did they let Rojas go if they were going to trade for Urias?
SodoMojo90
I would throw up
hllywdjff
Mayo and Rogers for Castillo and Ford..
bob9988 2
As a Mariners fan. this is a more realistic path than most anything else thrown around. Seattle does not need to trade him for money reasons. Seattle is more than ok with keeping him, it’s not a dump. This is only really being discussed because teams are seeing the FA market blow up and now dwindle. I they are willing to make trades they were not earlier in the off-season. In the end it will likely be something like this or something with Boston around Casas, or even the Nats. Otherwise he isn’t being traded. Too valuable.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Ford makes no sense with the orioles already having enough at catcher
TheGr8One
Ford is Cal’s replacement when his knees push him to DH or 1B
EricS
Bob, there is no way the redsox are offering Casas in any package headlined by Castillo. One of the other 4 pitchers is the only way they get Casas
bob9988 2
And that’s why I’m leaning towards this all being for nothing. Price is too high. And should be from Seattle’s perspective. This is just an exercise of what if.
EricS
I think they need to consider trading 1 of miller or woo. Eventually one of these guys will get hurt or come back down to earth so why not fix the offense with one of them? Run prevention is only one piece of the puzzle
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners want no part of Casas and his Strikeout numbers, you can bank on that…
bob9988 2
@EricS. Why do you assume that they are going to come back down to earth? Is this all a fluke? Why do you want them then? The only way one of the younger 4 are getting traded is to overpay for them. You want ANY of those 4, it starts with Gunner Henderson. That’s not to say any are a better players than Henderson, but thats the overpay. So, give up on the dream of Kirby, Gilbert, Miller or Woo.
danumd87 2
They’re going to trade him for way less than you think. 1 bc his value is substantially lower than you Ms fans believe. And 2 bc they badly want to open payroll space.
danumd87 2
So a deal would start with the most valuable player in the sport? blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-trade-value-nos-1-10/
I guess we would do that for Kirby and Gilbert and miller. lol. Clown.
danumd87 2
It’s not. The only players on Seattles roster who could get Mayo (in a package) are Julio, Kirby, Gilbert…maybe miller straight up. Maybe. Castillo isn’t even a conversation starter.
bob9988 2
Your looking for a fair deal. Seattle isn’t trading one of their rotation pieces for a fair deal. It’s going to be a win by Seattle or they’re just not going to do it. How bad do you want a starter is what the FO is telling everyone. Despite what everyone seems to think, Seattle does not HAVE to trade a starter. Other teams want one and if they want one from Seattle, it’s going to hurt.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Julio for Mayo? did that really come out your mouth for a AAA PROSPECT??? Just stop ✋️
danumd87 2
Read better
rayw
Seattle can’t hit, though.
muskie73
This year Seattle posted a team wRC+ of 104, including a league-leading wRC+ of 118 after August 15.
danumd87 2
If the orioles offered Mountcastle and Wells while taking on the full contract the deal would have been done yesterday
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Make that Mountcastle, Westburg, Basallo for Castillo, Locklear, and Arroyo maybe you have a deal… biggest part is will Castillo approve a trade to Baltimore?
EricS
You are absolutely delusional kid
danumd87 2
lol. You couldn’t get EITHER westburg or Basallo in that deal. Much less both. You’re going to be really disappointed in the mariners return given your current delusions. You might need medical attention…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Hence the reason no trade has been Made, go pay 25M per for Flaherty… Only way Seattle gives Castillo away is if they Sign Sasaki… Westbhrg isn’t a perennial AllStar and his avg is what .260… you O’s Fans are delusional…
danumd87 2
29th most valuable player in the sport per fangraphs. Right behind Gilbert and Kirby at 22 and 23. It was unfortunate his hands was broken and he missed so much time last year but before the injury his numbers were up and he was an all star. He can play 2b/ss/3b. He hits quite well and has long at bats that in rl helps a lineup tremendously. With five years of team control left. And yes, he is likely going to be an all star several more times over a long career. 29th in the sport. Let that sink in before you say more stupid things.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
And he hit .263 woth a ,450 slugging… Pass
rayw
Dude you’ve lost your mind on that one.
danumd87 2
Nope. I’m definitely correct. But you guys are smoking some good $*** out there. Unfortunately it seems highly likely that if you had a remaining brain cell it would die of loneliness.
Baseballisthebest
The Mariners were not in the playoffs and haven’t been since 2022.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
When they got swept by the Astros.
toycannon
After they swept the Blue Jays.
rct
Meh. As a Mets fan, pass on Castillo. All of his numbers are trending in the wrong direction and his home/road splits are stark. His fastball velo is down to 95.4 and his EV is creeping towards 90 mph. He’s owed a ton of money over the next three years (possibly four with vesting option) into his mid-30s. Unless the Mariners are doing a pure salary dump, I’d rather them just sign someone else than give up anything meaningful for Castillo.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Castillo would get 35M per for 4 years on a FA deal… he’s playing for a discount and he’s Stable without injury history… what market are you seeing? If someone doesn’t over pay Seattle keeps Castillo in case on of the other 4 goes down… Trade Castillo and then lose one of the 4 you have 3 starters and Hancock in the 4slot with Evans, Mercedes, Morales, or Garcia filling the 5Slot… I think he’s putting feelers our there in case they get Sasaki.. otherwise they don’t move Castillo at all…
Ma4170
Castillo wouldnt sniff 4/140. Even in this market.
BITA
Yeah I think Castillos surplus value is maybe 10 million. McNeil makes a lot of sense for the Mariners but at best his deal is salary neutral. The Mariners can trade Castillo and then signing another lesser pitcher a lefty because they could use one.
muskie73
FWIW Baseball Trade Values assigns Jeff McNeill a negative value of $20 million.
BITA
Yeah I think it’s more like 10 but hey just my opinion.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You have no idea what your talking about
Baseballisthebest
Its not worth anything. Just like Steamer projections.
Cambo
Dave Dombrowski PR machine about to start a rumor Phillies interested. Just to make people think he is working.
Brettlez
Mariners won’t trade him. Teams won’t give them the package required to weaken their rotation.
BITA
I think the idea is they take some of the money saved from trading Castillo and get a lesser starting pitcher plus help at 2b or 3b which they need. Mariners are poor.
Mariners_Mojo
I’d trade him for Holliday
danumd87 2
Maybe if you include Kirby
Mariners_Mojo
I’d trade George for Holliday maybe
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Holliday is still a prospect and George is a legit top15 ERA starter… SMH you people are crazy in Baltimore…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Absolutely NOT
metsin4
One of the highest rated prospects to come in the sport in awhile.
danumd87 2
I said maybe for Kirby AND Castillo lol. Doesn’t matter though. I don’t think there’s any deal that could get the Os off of holiday. The overpay would have to be historic.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
So was ROBLES and in fact Robkes was #3 on top100nat one time… a PROSPECT is still a Prospect at the end of the day…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
I think you spelled SOTO wrong
Zippy the Pinhead
The Mariners don’t need to trade Luis Castillo. If they do, it will be to a team for which Castillo agrees to waive his no-trade clause. And it will have to hurt that team, so these Castillo-for-Trash deals are just stupid. The M’s need a FT raking 3B and a 2B that’s an on base machine. Not prospects. Real live MLB hitters. If they accept anything less, it’s because the other team is taking on Haniger, Garver, or both as well.
Baseballisthebest
Last year Castillo was a league average pitcher, 101 ERA+, being paid TOR money.
danumd87 2
Castillo is in clear regression. He’s still a good pitcher but he’s not an ace or anything close to it. He’s probably worth his contact but there’s certainly no surplus value there at this point. He’s a player worth having and his value is certainly increased by virtue of the lack of pitching available. But that’s why he has a market at all – it doesn’t mean he’ll get a substantial return. Somebody will take him and give yo a useful player. Right now the orioles and Mountcastle+ seem like the M’s best option by a mile. I can’t think of another team with a bat of that quality who is available. Mountcastle + wells would be a homerun for the M’s.
Bird4Life
You M fans are delusional. Castillo has been on the decline for 3 years straight now. Trending in the wrong direction AND owed $24m AAV for 3 more years. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want him in my rotation right now but why would you trade valuable players for that when you could just sign a mid tier FA and not give up players. A trade would be mostly a salary dump and not net that great of a return unless you eat a lot of money or trade for another decent size contract like a Marte or something. For the O’s STOP ASKING FOR WESTBURG… you just sound dumb
bob9988 2
No, you sound ignorant. A players value is what the team holding them says it is. If no one else agrees to pay it, then they don’t get traded. Just because they aren’t traded doesn’t mean that team overvalued them. It means they were more valuable to the team that has them. This is not a hard concept. Only a ridiculous offer will get you Castillo. Otherwise, he starts opening day in Seattle.
metsin4
He will get traded and it won’t be for a ridiculous offer.
JoeBrady
A players value is what the team holding them says it is.
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It’s actually just the opposite. An asset is only worth what people are willing to pay. If I say I will only sell my Galarraga rookie card for $1M, that doesn’t mean it’s worth $1M. It is still only worth $0.25 that someone will pay for it.
danumd87 2
Seriously. There are only 3-4 players on their team that might get Westburg and Castillo is definitely not on that short list.
toycannon
Then stop asking for Castillo. Go shopping somewhere else.
danumd87 2
You’re not in charge. Your FO is going to happily move him for far far less than you hope. Mountcastle + Wells would be a fantastic return for the M’s but it’s probably a bit heavy on the Os side adding in wells. I’d do it though bc I like Castillo as a mid rotation starter.
JoeBrady
Go shopping somewhere else.
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That’s virtually never beneficial. Had you traded him last year, and gotten an offensive player of equal value, they’d have made the playoffs.
Suggesting you’d rather miss the playoffs instead of trading him for a haul strikes me as counter-intuitive.
Or just from my RS perspective, I love Abreu in RF, but if Abreu is part of the cost of acquiring Jared Jones, for example, then he has to go.
momTurphy
The Orioles aren’t a good trade partner here. Both the Ms and Os were looking to improve by trading prospects and the market has shockingly shifted to massively overvaluing veterans and spurning prospects. If the Mariners trade Castillo they would require a team to overpay for him hoping to take advantage of a team like Boston who can’t financially compete with the Mets, Dodgers, and Yankees for the biggest FAs.
danumd87 2
The orioles have Mountcastle available. They’re quite literally the best trade partner the M’s could hope for right now. Name one other team with an above average hitter they can move without feeling it at all. The orioles are the mariners best chance at getting the infielder and payroll relief they’re so desperately searching for.
muskie73
Are there any reports that Seattle has inquired about Ryan Mountcastle (or any Oriole for that matter)?
The Mariners are not desperate … they’re in the driver’s seat with regards to the Orioles.
Seattle returns its core, hoping to improve after averaging 88+ wins over the past four seasons.
Steamer projects Mountcastle with a 2025 WAR of 1.5 in 528 plate appearances while projecting Luis Castillo with 2.8 WAR in 31 starts.
The Mariners will listen to offers on Castillo but are unlikely to take a step back.
danumd87 2
They want the payroll flexibility. They’ve been open about that. And the need is obvious. They’re not going to get that for free. It would take more than Mountcastle, for sure. Mountcastle + wells is likely a deal no team would beat. The mariners desire for mlbers really limits their options. If they were willing to take prospects they’d likely find a more robust market.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners can sign JT for 1 year and wait for Haniger and Garver to fall off… no reason to give up a top end Starter for Just Mountcastle… and I like Mountcastle but he’s starting to make money also next few years… Mluntcastle doesn’t get that deal done…
danumd87 2
As I’ve said repeatedly, of course not. Mountcastle and Wells would be an overpay but I think it’s something the respective teams brass could all get behind. I know you personally wouldn’t but you don’t seem to be very realistic or knowledgeable in this department. I get it, you want a homerun, can’t possibly lose trade. But nobody is going to give that to you for Castillo. If you can get useful parts and open payroll your management would surely do the deal. They know their payroll limitations and are well aware that running back this team will get them nowhere fast. At some point you guys need to put on your big boy pants and at least try. Right now you’re just killing team control watching your window close bet quickly.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
No they don’t m, they’re making 80MILLION Net profit each year which js why they bought the Team… its a business for them and they’ve repeatedly said their goal is to win 54% of their games… Directly out of their mouth… and since when is 4 years of team control of EVERY starter Minimum a quickly closing window with our minor league depth also and our 1st rd. Pitcher last year… and we’ll mkre then likely grab another Pitcher this year if the Lefty is still on the Board at #3 and Holliday Jr. And the Big Power Bat OF is gone… the next 5top prospects are pitchers…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
A 3.30ERA Starter isn’t Mid Tier… Good Luck next year enjoying Flaherty
Baseballisthebest
A 101 ERA+ starting pitcher is league average.
JoeBrady
Technically, Castillo is 1% better than league-average, and at only $24M.
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J/K, but if one combines a 101+, with a below-average offensive team, then one probably expect Castillo’s 11-12 record.
muskie73
This year that “below-average offensive team” posted a wRC+ of 104, including a league-leading team wRC+ of 118 after August 15. The Red Sox posted a team wRC+ of 104 but slumped to a wRC+ of 83 after August 15.
As points of reference to Luis Castillo’s 2024 ERA+ of 101, this year Luis Severino posted an ERA+ of 101, Yusei Kikuchi an ERA+ of 99, and Nathan Eovaldi an ERA+ of 104.
Castillo has a career ERA+ that is at least 10 points higher than the career ERA+ of any of those three starters who have signed free agent contracts.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Let’s just ignore the fact he averages 18 Quality starts for the last 4 years which is top15 in Baseball because we’re Baltimore Fans… he’s a #3 Starter even tho there was only 8 players with more quality starts NOT in a Mariners Uniform… Sure Baltimore you can have him for 2 prospects… GTFOH!!!
toycannon
It’s the Orioles asking about Castillo, not the other way around.
metsin4
Because the Mariners are telling everyone he’s very available.
muskie73
It’s more likely that inquiring teams have leaked that Seattle will listen to offers.
metsin4
Castillo has been in the trade rumors since the season ended. The Mariners are too cheap to sign anyone. It’s definitely coming from the Mariners.
danumd87 2
The mariners do seem rather desperate. Their fans here are just drowning in denial. Given their payroll constraints and desire to compete now they’re pretty stuck. They almost have to trade Castillo to open up the money necessary to sign the bat they need. Honestly, if they can get Mountcastle and wells from the Orioles (probably unlikely as the wells add might make it an overpay) and use the savings to sign bregman or Alonso then they’ve improved the roster substantially through a trade and adding $10 mil of payroll. That should be the goal. And I think the M’s front office likely has that vision that their fans clearly lack.
bob9988 2
Seattle’s owner and VP have both stated publicly and tone quite notoriety, that signing 30yr old FA is dumb and not what they do. You do not follow Seattle baseball, don’t think you know more than you do.
muskie73
After finishing one game behind the final Wild Card slot, Seatte returns its core of players with multiple years of team control, losing on the likes of Jorge Polanco, Josh Rojas and Luis Urias (plus midseason acquisitions Justin Turner and Yimi Garcia).
Looking ahead, projected bounceback seasons from Julio Rodriguez, J.P. Crawford and Mitch Garver (and Luis Castillo!) could offset anticipated regression from Victor Robles,
This year the Mariners posted a team wRC+ of 104, including a league-leading wRC+of 118 after August 15.
Over the past four seasons Seatte had posted the fourth-best cumulative regular-season record in a league that now sends six teams to the postseason.
This well-positioned team is not desperate.
metsin4
One playoff appearance since 2002. There should be no more desperate team in baseball.
danumd87 2
But you also appear to have a much lower floor than any of the significantly superior contenders (Yankees, orioles, healthy rangers, etc)
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Yeah his 2 prior years up to LAST year was a Fluke right?
JoeBrady
He’s 32. Players decline as they age. And, as a RS fan and possible rival for a playoff spot, I’d much rather you keep Castillo and NOT add any offense.
jjleavelle
If the O’s do trade, the package needs to somehow include Mountcastle and not Mayo. That way Mayo can platoon 1st with O’Hearn. If Kjerstad has to be a part of it then fine. He doesn’t have a spot in the outfield anyway. If they trade both Mayo and Mountcastle then they should sign Christian Walker as a stop gap until Basaelllo is ready.
danumd87 2
Castillo doesn’t get a top young player at this point in his career. He’s good but he’s closer to a good 3 than a 1 or 2 and his away splits over the past two seasons are pretty poor. He’d get Mountcastle plus, certainly. But he’s not getting anybody of a Mayo/kjerstad level from any team.
BITA
Castillo for Mountcastle 1 for 1 might make sense.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mountcastle not a good enough hitter for that deal… harder to find a HEALTHY Starter with a 3.30 ERA then a serviceable 1st baseman… Seattle better off resigning JT and keeping Castillo…
danumd87 2
On this we finally agree. Mountcastle straight up is an insufficient return for Castillo. I knew you’d stumble into being right eventually
Bird4Life
The issue with a Mayo and O’hearn platoon is that Mayo actually has reverse splits. Ideally the O’s trade O’hearn to a team like the Nats or Pirates for a bullpen arm or something. I’m somewhat changing my tune on trading Mountcastle now that the wall is coming back in and he’s still not a bad piece for hitting LHP and solid glove
mikenedy
I ‘ bid for Castillo two years in a row in an auction league except not last year. Why ? I think he is trending downwards. Not a #1 but solid #2 who pitches in an excellent pitchers park. If I’m Seattle, I hold onto my starters and try to emulate the Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz Braves. Like my Giants the 0ffense needs a lot of work and they should be drafting offense big time.
hoof hearted
Cubs (Jordan Wicks and Javier Assad), Red Sox (Richard Fitts and Cooper Criswell), Mets (Tylor Megill and Paul Blackburn), and Orioles (Cade Povich and Trevor Rogers
Ah, NO!
Nothing enticing on that list
danumd87 2
I think your FO would strongly disagree if the Orioles offered something like Mountcastle and wells. That’s the above average RH IF bat they crave (with two years control) and a back end sp to fill the vacated rotation spot (with three years of control). That’s an offer the mariners couldn’t possibly ignore given the cumulative talent/control/$ relief.
hoof hearted
Mountcastles #s have trending down last 3 years. His production is stlighly better than Ty France last year. Not much of an upgrade. There are many Wells type FA pithers out there, so why trade for hiim when you could acquire a simular pitcher without trading away talent? No deal
alproof
Mets need Castillo, Burnes, Flaherty. Buehler to Tigers or Mets.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You O’s fans are delusional, and TBH the Mariners already have the better of the 2 players of Westburg and Emerson when All is said and done… You guys tried to insult the Mariners asking for Gilbert or Miller… might as well not picked up the Phone… Secondly I don’t believe Castillo will waive his No Trade to play in Hitter friendly Baltimore… most of your prospects are overrated. No sense of coming in here and discussing a trade since Y’all think HEALTHY #2 Quality Starters grow on trees… Westburg straight up isn’t Worth Castillo TBH as he doesn’t have enough track record… Now Castillo isn’t worth Gunnar Henderson but he’s worth more then Westburg straight up… .260 hitting 2nd baseman aren’t that hard to find….
Dipoto get on the horn with San Diego and see what they need for their 2nd baseman for our 2hole and keep Castillo and grab the rental until Young and Emerson are ready … you can always deal Castillo at the trade deadline worst case.
Bird4Life
Lol dude nice try. You’re getting ratio’d everywhere. Keep Castillo if you love him so much but you don’t know what a fair trade is. Maybe the O’s and M’s aren’t lining up to be good trade partners and that’s fine. No need to force something that’s not there but I promise you that you’re gonna be disappointed with whatever return you get from any team if Castillo actually gets traded
danumd87 2
You’re going to be so disappointed by the return he gets. Btw Gunnar is the #1 player in the game in trade value per fan graphs. Castillo isn’t on the list. At all.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Because he makes no money, nkt because Gunnar is the best player in baseball… are you really going to tell me Gunnar is a Better player than A certain Japanese Player on the Dodgers?
danumd87 2
I didn’t do that. Your reading comprehension and logic skills are quite literally child-like. And you’re extremely dishonest. Really a terrible combination from someone pretending to want to engage in earnest dialogue. Then again, perhaps you’re just a troll. Certainly seems that way given how dishonest you are.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
No we won’t because we’ll KEEP Castillo unless someone overpays for him… simply put.. we aren’t panicing for pitching and we can sign JT and find a .245 light hitting 2nd baseman damn near anywhere In baseball… shoot im hoping we give bliss a shot along with Locklear splitting some time with JT…
dm867
Sorry, but calling Castillo a “front of the rotation arm” is a little over the top. He’s a good mid rotation guy, but certainly cannot replace Burnes.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You’re not giving up a stater and 3 of you top5 prospects which is what Burnes would command on a 4year signed contract… and burns isn’t going to cost 24M either… SMH
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Castillo 2 prior years to last year was 3.00 ERA and Servais left him in there too long because of our short bullpen… wait to see what he does in Seattle this year Wilson as the MGR… and good luck getting Burnes for 24M/Per after the Snell contract… ✌️
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Burnes is a Top15 pitcher in baseball… Hiw many teams are there? So yes he’s a Number #1 but to say Castillo is less than a Number #2 is out right crazy
hoof hearted
dm- Castillo is front end starter. 30+ starts/yr, 180-200inn. era+,fip,whip or what ever analytical stat you want to look at-aint no mid-rotation SP. Oh, and alot of team are asking about him-hmmm. Altho Rodriguez is looing like a front end starter, he donsnt have a track record to hang awards on yet. And the other SP in the O’s stable- been hurt or burned and gone. SO Castillo would step in and be YOUR #1 with Rodriguez #2.
And to the Sea fan who said Emerson is up there with Westburg, thats embarrassing. Cole Young is the one your thinking of-he’s Sea’s #2, but older and closer to MLB. But he’s still a prospect, Westburg has some proven MLB #s.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Before any of you O’s fans come in here and think we’re giving Castillo Away for free please look at his prior 3 years before last season when Servais Over used him… SMH
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Please look at the deal the Luis Servino just got and he has a career 4.00 ERA and injury history… SMH
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Luis Severino got pardon my spelling…
EricS
What you brain dead Mariners fans don’t understand is that your team DOES actually have to trade a pitcher. They are poor. They have no other way to upgrade their offense and the past couple years have made it clear that their offense is bottom of the barrel. The Mariners have no leverage, every other team knows they have negligible money left to spend and still need bats
JoeBrady
EricS
Mariners fans don’t understand is that your team DOES actually have to trade a pitcher.
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That’s what I always say. It doesn’t matter what Castillo’s value is. You cannot pay your #5 SP $24M while not having a bat at so many positions.
It’s again a bit like my RS. You cannot have the best farm in BB and NOT have a #1 SP.. It doesn’t matter what one thinks of Teel & Montgomery.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
He isn’t a #5 you lost your mind… he’s NEVER pitched for us in the #5Slot…hjs 4year avg is 18Quality Starts while Burnes is 20QS a Season Avg. And Burnes isn’t signing a 4year deal for 24M PER!!!
JoeBrady
Of course. But he is:
#5 in bWAR
#5 in FIP
#5 in ERA
#5 in age.
#5 in affordability
But if you think Castillo is better than Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, or Miller, then I’d much rather have one of those four than Castillo.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
He actually had more Quality starts than Kirby and only reason you’re trying to justify that is because he’s on the Mariners team… he’s clearly a #2 in Baltimore… Di t compare him to OUR starters Compare him to BALTIMORE, CUBS, or METS starters…
EricS
Stranded can you please stop speaking like a child? You seriously need to end every message with SMH? Grow up kiddo. The reason these conversations aren’t worth having is because you don’t even understand the game. You are citing ERA and BA as if they are useful statistics in 2024…. Also, Baltimore is not even a hitters park anymore, it played friendly to pitchers last year due to them moving left field wall way back and building it up as well. Westburg had ELITE batted ball data, meanwhile all of Castillo’s advanced metrics went the wrong way. I know you may need to google these newer stats that actually have predictive value, but please do take the time. Otherwise your brain may be smooth forever.
danumd87 2
Stranded brain so smooth. The smoothest brain.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Fact of the matter is he’s a .260 hitter with ALL the protection in the World in that Baltimore lineup… it’s hard to do when you don’t have all those great hitters in front and behind you hence the regression of Julio last year in Seattle when He lost Teo… teams was content pitching around him and he refused to take the Walks… is Westburg a career .280 hitter or .245 hitter? That’s the question because he doesn’t have the Career years to back it up… he’s essentially still a prospect…
danumd87 2
I just told him the same. He’s not just sounding like an idiot but he’s routinely lying, misrepresenting what posters say. He’s clearly a troll given these abhorrent behaviors (I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt here bc if he’s not a troll he’s just profoundly stupid)
baseballguru
Boston KEEP THE PROSPECTS and SPEND THE MONEY! DO NOT TRADE UNNECESSARY TALENT WE NEED WHILENYOU SIT ON 100 MILLION SCROOGE A** DOLLARS! SCOTT BURNS ETC…SPEND THE DAMN MONEY
JoeBrady
You left the caps on. You should delete the post and re-write it.
Past that, while Burnes wouldn’t break my heart, I think we should go ion the opposite direction. Something like Abreu (or Casas) + a prospect not in our top-3 for someone like Jared Jones.
Jones should still be pitching in 4-5 years, while Burnes might be dust at $30M.
letitbelowenstein
Who in their right mind would want Urias?
metsin4
I’ve seen some real whopper of trades by Mariner fans here. The Mets aren’t trading Vientos. The Orioles aren’t trading Westburg or Holliday.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You O’s fans are crazy Castillo had only 12, yes I’ll repeat that 12 starters with more quality starts then his 18 and 4 OF THEM ARE MARINERS!!! so subtract those and there’s 8 pitchers that had more Quality Starts then Castillo in ALL of baseball… and his ERA was up last year because Servais left him in too long but his 4year average is 18 quality starts a Year with ZERO injuries… So you telling me a guy who’s 8th in baseball in Quality starts is a Middle of the Rotation Pitcher is ludicrous!!! and think a .263 hitter with .450Slugging isn’t worth him… you don’t understand how HARD a starter like that is too find… Good Luck with Flaherty and his 4.50 ERA in the AL East…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
The best move by Dipoto is to call San Diego who wants to shed payroll and get Arreaz as a 1 year rental for for PEETE and a 25-30 reliever prospect… push Julio doen to the 3 Hole, put Arreaz in the 2Hole and find a 4Hole hitter NOT named CAL(Strikeouts) I’d even be okay with JT in the 4Hole with Cal in the 5Hole and keeping Castillo in case ANY starter goes down… find someone who can play 3rd base or even sign Rojas for 4M and see if Edgar can fix his approach along with JP’s…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Arraez pardon my spelling
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Oh and for the record, Burnes QS avg. Is 20 per season and good luck getting him to sign a 4year deal for 24M PER!!!
JoeBrady
good luck getting him to sign a 4year deal for 24M PER!!!
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Would you rather have Castillo @ $24M or Burnes at $30M? I figure the salary is 25% higher, and I’d make a decent sized wager that Burnes’ bWAR is at least 25% higher.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Burnes is getting 35M plus and maybe a 7year deal dude and averages 20 quality starts a year… so for 2 more quality starts no he isnt worth 25% more… 10% Yes… you guys are looking at ERA and things of that but reality is the only thing that matters is a Quality start.. Castillo is a 20games winner with that Baltimore offense last year… not to mention Castillo ERA the previous years was right around 3.00
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
It’s irrelevant because Burnes isn’t resigning in Baltimore, he’s going to a BIG Market team to get that 7years and the MARKET… you think he gets Campbell soup commercials in Baltimore? Even for the same amount of money the NY or Boston on the front of his jersey is worth another 25M in endorsement dollars!!!! My dad played pro Ball, ive played it all my life… you don’t realize the difference between being a HOF caliber player in MLB outside of L.A. NY or Boston… what’s Vlady endorsement deals in Toronto compared to him in a New York Jersey? What’s Gunnar Henderson endorsement deals in L.A. OR N.Y. compared to Baltimore? 25M per easily…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
I can’t wait for Burnes to sign his 7year deal for more then 35M per and the best part it will be inter-Division O’s fans… either Boston or Toronto… then the Panic will set it on Baltimore Front Office… see you once the Burnes deal is signed… I really don’t think it’s a discussion because Castillo won’t waive his No Trade for Baltimore… I see Mets or Boston maybe Cubs… Baltimore doesn’t have the Market for Castillo… he’s better off in Seattle…
danumd87 2
I would expect he’ll waive his no trade clause to get out of Seattle if for no reason you’re a second tier organization with no apparent plan to improve. The mariners are good but older players want great. The orioles could be great. They’re not yet but they won 100 games two years ago and won 90 last year with the must injuries in the sport. We’re a far more attractive destination for players that want to win.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Whats 4 CONSECUTIVE years OF 18 Quality starts worth? Defintely 24M per if not more… Castillo isn’t underpaid and he isn’t regressing… he still posted his 18 quality starts but did pitch more innings as Servais dumb ass left him in too long at times ballooning his ERA… With Wilson as MGR This year and a Healthy Bullpen Castillo will post a 3.00ERA or lower… book it…
PrincessYuki
Do the Diamondbacks need pitching? Maybe the Mariners could get Geno back.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Suarez isn’t coming back after we gave him away free… and Arizona doesn’t have pkg for Castillo and Castillo won’t waive no trade for Arizona… Seattle will not trade one of the other 4 period… maybe Arizona can approach them for Hancock or Evans and work out a Pitching prospect for Hjtting prospect deal
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Oh lets not forget Flaherty is expected to sign 5years for 120M which is inline with Castillo and there’s a QO on Flaherty… so you lose your 1st round Pick along with the fact we all remember how well he pitched in Baltimore last time there… good luck if you lose the Burnes Sweepstakes… Mariners aren’t panicing to move Pitching… Baltimore is Panicing to GET Pitching…. and if they lose out on Burnes get ready to PONY up.. Castillo or Flaherty…
danumd87 2
In your ongoing efforts to demonstrate you don’t have a clue…flaherty does NOT have a QO. he was ineligible, dummy
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
There’s 30 teams in MLB and for you O’s fans to think Castillo isn’t a #2 at least is ridiculous
VTMarinersAA
Dipoto needs to be realistic in assessing Castillo’s ‘value’ to other clubs and to the Mariners. I’d still like to see him pursue a deal with the Cubs and he might need to involve his frequent trade partner the Rays.
Seattle sends out Castillo to Chicago and #27 Prospect Ashton Izzi to Tampa.
Cubs deal Hoerner to M’s and #2 Owen Caissie, #7 Jefferson Rojas and #30 Caleb Kilian to Tampa
Tampa sends Yandy Diaz to Seattle and Brandon Lowe to Chicago.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Absolutely NOT!!!
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Castillo is a #2 on most MLB teams… his value is way higher than people think it is… they try to down play his 18 quality starts for 4years straight simply because he’s in Seattle… which has a starting 5 that is a complete ANOMALY… which team in the past had all 5 starters with 18quality starts or more and ALL 5 starting pitchers with a 3.60ERA or LOWER? ILL WAIT ✋️
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Hoerner and Yancy Diaz for Castillo basically… but why? Yancy makes all the money… Mari ers better off resigning JT and using the 36M+ of Haniger/Garver next year to go shopping instead of being locked in a Yandy deal no?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Yandy Diaz hit what 14HRs last year? Jt is a better signing them him, Veteran wise and RISP wose..wise… is Yandy going to be worth what 15M next year for .270 and 15HRs at first base? I DONT SEE IT… 1st base is the bar far the easiest position in Baseball to Fill…
bloomquist4hof
If they can leverage Castillo to shed Haniger or Garver, that could suddenly be a bit of money to play with. There’s versions of that kind of deal that make a ton of sense. It would depend on how they leveraged the savings and what other returns they got back. I do think the Mariners can get more for Castillo than what it looked like earlier in the off-season, due to pitcher contracts being given out this off-season, so exploring deals to capitalize on that makes a sense. Plus there’s a precedent of pitchers like him fetching a bit more than just marginal trade value, and there are creative ways to improve the return like eating some cash, adding prospects or other players, involving a third team, etc.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Yeah, Dipoto just needs to wait until the Burnes Sweepstakes is over and someone overpays for Flaherty and loses their 1st. Round to pick to do it… if not let’s keep him and wait for the Hani/Garver mo ey to fa off next year… Mariners pitching is Controlled for the next 4years… no reason for M’s to Panic…
VTMarinersAA
These two bats are exactly what Jerry should be looking for in a deal–infielders who don’t need platoon partners, are gap ball spray hitters, low strikeout rates and one with a better batting avg, one with really good baserunning skills.
We won’t be acquiring any real power hitters this winter and I think we have thump enough already, with Cal-Julio-Luke but we struggle to sustain rallies. And gap ball is the key in the early third of the season in Seattle.
The money lines up well. The next two years Hoerner is owed $11.5M and $12M, Diaz $10M and $12M.
The team that might want a better return than what I proposed is Tampa.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Problem with that is you lose Castillo and ANY injury to one of the other 4 and you’re a Sub .500 club bro… Yandy over rated and we get that with JT… why Yandy for Izzi? Why not JT/Locklear split until you’re partially into the season? I like Hoerner but I’d rather send them Evans, Tai Peete, and maybe 20-30rated reliever from us…
Yes, we had too many HR chasers last 3years but that was our OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY and thank God it’s OUT and Edgar is in… hit it up the middle and take HRs as a Bonus… Im sock of 1st and 3rd woth ZERO outs and getting ZERO runs… why are always last in sacrifices and sac-Flys when runs are a premium in seattle..Seattle… Servais, that’s why… thank god he’s gone… and that get out in front to PULL everything even woth 2 strikes mentality!!! Go M’s
coachdit
O’s fan here. Thoughts on Grayson Mounty for Castillo? Do you think this is fair or O’s need to add in some prospect capital or vice versa? Sadly I’m too late to add this but I’m curious what you think
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
I honestly don’t think a deal gets done with Baltimore at All unfortunately for Y’all… because Castillo won’t waive no trade for Baltimore and if he did I do t think Baltimore would do the Overpay it’ll take to get Castillo… Seattle has no reason to move Pitching in reality as they’re all Controlled for 4years and Dipoto has always been a pitching over hitting GM… it’ll only happen if it makes Seattle better at 2 on field positions even if Seattle has to throw in someone like Tai Peete or a younger Pitcher with a 2027+ arrival time… DoubleAA players like Young, Emerson, Arroyo won’t be included because Seattle has always over paid trying to find a 2nd baseman and Failed miserably… they’re building that position from within this time…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
There’s no panic in Seattle to go for it with the controllable pitching for the next 4years and an ownership ok with winning 54% of the time while being a top3 Net Earnings team in MLB… they make PLENTY of money woth what they have and life’s good for their pockets… Seattle doesn’t have the Media pressure they have in L.A. Boston or New York… they’re content being one of the most PROFITABLE teams in MLB every year…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Fact of the matter is theyre not giving away Castillo, they won’t even trade him if it’s fair, it’ll take an OVERPAY to get Castillo out of Seattle or the Ownership goes about business as usual collecting their 100M profit a year… Sorry O’s Fans…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You O’s Fan are defintely NOT aware of the Forbes list and how Profitable the Mariners are on their bottom line… keeping their 5starters and playing just above .500 ball is very HEALTHY for the ownership groups pocket and they have time for Young,Emerson,Ford, and Co. To make their way UP in the next 4years while those 5 starters are LOCKED in Seattle… shoot even Cal and Gilbert have what 3years left of ARB and theyre loaded with Starters in the minors… they have arguably the Best Minors in all of Baseball by a wide margin and just landed the 3rd pick… and ZERO media pressure to improve this team… gates will still turn and fans will still show up at record attendance to watch that historic rotation… Goodluck with your search for pitching but I suggest your Media turn up the Heat on Y’all ownership to get Burnes back in the fold with what’s available on the market… I think Burnes is gone to one of the Big Boys TBH and it’s too late for Baltimore as he chases the Big Endorsement money NY Cubs or Boston provides… Good luck next year as I am a fan of the young core Y’all have… just not against us… plus I HATE the Yankees… ✌️
coachdit
I’d prefer pick 32 then Burnes. I want starters I can rely on to go 6 and stay healthy all season. I’m GM, Grayson is available. And I want Gibson. He’s so undervalued. I’m not really sure what this Forbes list is but it’s rumored for financial reasons the M’s are open to moving Castillo’s salary.. And I want to part with Grayson cause he’s only healthy for 20 some games a season yet he has so much hype. I’m a fan of you for being anti evil empire. I think Grayson Mounty for Castillo is relatively fair.
JackStrawb
Acuna has never played a single game at 3B in pro ball, not even with the Mets in trouble at the position the last two years. He’s not a 3Bman.
Castillo’s a fine pitcher, but one who appears to be in decline. Stearns would have to be completely allergic to long deals for starters to trade significant prospects for a 3/72m // 4/97m 32-34 //35 yo starter. Hard to think why you’d do this with Cohen’s money rather than sign Fried or Burnes, or even Manaea who’ll get roughly the same money but without giving up prospects.
mariners4life
Embarrassing with the pitching staff the M’s have that ownership refuses to just go add talent. Mariners ownership is one of the stingiest in payroll vs revenue.
Mal W.
Wish I were that worried about our fifth starter……