December 20: The Cubs are going to be meeting with Sasaki today, reports Bruce Levine of 670 The Score.
December 19: The Mets had a meeting with Roki Sasaki on Thursday, reports Andy Martino of SNY. They’re the second team that has been publicly revealed to meet with the NPB star. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told reporters (including MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch) on Wednesday that Sasaki had scheduled an in-person meeting with the club. It’s not clear when that will take place.
Virtually every team would love to land Sasaki. It stands to reason that most, if not all, clubs have at least prepared a pitch they can make to the 23-year-old righty. Sasaki and his representatives at Wasserman presumably don’t intend to meet with every team over the next few weeks, though.
Agent Joel Wolfe spoke with media (including MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes and Steve Adams) at the Winter Meetings. Wolfe indicated that Sasaki would speak with teams in person at a central location in the United States throughout this week. He’s slated to return to Japan for the holidays but could come back to the U.S. to view the cities of the finalists thereafter.
This is only the first run of presentations. Many people consider the Dodgers or (to a lesser extent) the Padres to be the favorites, though Wolfe vehemently denied last month that there was any kind of handshake agreement with Los Angeles already in place. Wolfe suggested at the Winter Meetings that Sasaki could benefit from landing in a city that doesn’t have a large media contingent, though he stressed that was solely his opinion and that he and Sasaki had yet to discuss that in great detail.
Sasaki’s posting window opened on December 9. He must sign with an MLB team by January 23 but cannot sign until after next year’s international amateur period opens on January 15. He could reach an unofficial verbal agreement before that point, however. Sasaki’s bonus will be hard capped by MLB’s amateur signing limitations.
Teams can acquire up to 60% of their bonus allotment via trade. Those trades cannot begin until the 15th. Sasaki’s maximum potential bonus would be $12.0888MM. He’ll likely sign for a fair bit less than that, since it’d require a team with the highest initial pool (one of Milwaukee, Seattle, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Miami, Cincinnati, Detroit, or the Athletics) to trade for the maximum amount and commit their entire pool to Sasaki. The Yankees and Mets each have just under $6.2616MM in their starting pool. If they traded for 60% more space, they’d be able to offer just over $10MM.
Baseballisthebest
Getting the teams he won’t be signing with out of the way first.
Pads Fans
Who do you think he will be signing with and why?
Baseballisthebest
He’s coming to the Red Sox, of course.
Pads Fans
If you say so. The Red Sox are close to the top of the list in terms of total number of Japanese players to sign with them in FA so they are a possibility.
He certainly is not ruling big market teams out. Both NY teams and now the Cubs have come to California to meet with him.
driftwood bat
Detroit
alproof
I’d love to see him on the Tigers or Mets. The Tigers already have a much better total staff than the Mets’.
metsin4
Or he’s signaling what market he wants to be in by meeting with both New York teams.
VermonsterSD
Or maybe it’s, you know more convenient to meet with both teams in the same city, back to back, so, you know, you dont have to keep going back and forth across the country????
metz247
Hes not in NYC, that would be round 2. After the holidays
avenger65
Vermonster: He’s meeting with teams in a central location. Probably Nebraska.
Pads Fans
Avenger, central for Sasaki, not the teams. They are meeting near his agent’s offices in California.
ReyDay
Central location doesn’t mean literally in central of America. It just means where all meetings will take place this round, and I believe it’s somewhere in California.
rocknwell
I’m pretty sure he was joking. And even if not, why does everyone on here assume the worst about people and either put them down and/or name call everyone? Yikes. I’m pretty sure everyone knows Nebraska is NOT where he’s meeting with teams. But it would be hilarious!
ReyDay
@Rock
Nobody calling him names, but I also don’t underestimate the stupidity of people on the internet anymore. It’s also very difficult to read sarcasm through text without knowing the person.
towinagain
Sasaki is not coming to SD.
So, Padres fans get prepared, barring AJ pulling a Houdini for a very miserable offseason.
Spend some money, please, Kutsenda.
Gwynning
The usual post from Eeyore… I mean towinagain. The sky is falling, towin! Quick, find your tinfoil helmet to protect you!
Longtimecoming
He started early this year!
towinagain
Funding is key. If this team fils to get funding then it’s going to be a long year.
To bank solely on Sasaki is foolhardy.
Now I trust Preller but Kutsenda needs to loosen the purse strings.
towinagain
Wondering if Kutsenda really wants to see the Padres win a WS.
Gwynning
No, I’d remind you that PATIENCE is key. Cheers towin
Gwynning
New year, same 2 posts from us two!
Seems like a decade straight…
Lol
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Roki sasakis top to contenders are the dodg- *cough* RAYS and the padr- I MEAN ATHLETICS!!!
Jake1972
I know you are joking about the A’s, but if the A’s could get this kid, he could be the face of the franchise when they move to Vegas.
I am a Cubs fan and wish they get him.
Miken31
Baseball is the best:
We’re all entitled to our opinion, but you have no idea what this guy wants in a team. If he wants the West Coast, well, then nobody can change geography. However, if he wants to lead a pitching staff of an up-and-coming team with an owner who will give him a huge NEXT contract and an organization that can develop him, the Mets are not a bad choice. I’m not saying he will go there, but I wouldn’t entirely discount it.
Miken31
Ham Christ:
Huh?
Miken31
Ham Christ:
So I’m referring to the fact that the Mets helped some pitchers last year who have not had recent success have some success. That’s called development. Jeremy Hefner and their pitching lab are developing a reputation. You may or may not know about that.
Miken31
Ham Christ:
So take into account that Steve Cohen has more money than anyone and is probably investing incredible resources into that pitching lab. So if you don’t think it’s different, then that’s on you. You’ll learn. And in case you don’t pay attention, which apparently you don’t, the Mets turned around Sean Manaea, Luis Severino, and David Peterson to name a few.
Miken31
Ham Christ:
His second half from the Giants? They put Manaea in the bullpen and nobody wanted him. So you’re just speaking nonsense at this point. Severino stayed healthy all year and performed solidly and then pitched well in the playoffs, more than he had done in years with the Yankees. And yes, Peterson was always with the Mets, but we were talking about since Cohen and Sterns got involved with the pitching lab, which is recent. You’re trying to make a point to fit your narrative . But it’s not working.
Pads Fans
Stearns is one of the best at developing pitchers. His time in Milwaukee speaks for itself. Now he is the POBO of the Mets. Sasaki would do well to work with Stearns staff and in his pitching lab.
That said,. he would do just as well with the Padrs under Niebla and Darvish’s tutelage and in the Padres pitching and biomechanics lab.
coocoo20
Turned around severino he hasn’t done any better he is just not injured
Poolhalljunkies
I would think stearns hires people well who develope pitchers…hes not involved in the real work on the field every day working with them..so lets pump the brakes a little on what he personally brings to the table in that regard…his staff and “pitching lab” deserve any credit
Salzilla
The thing is all of the guys who pitched for the Mets last year didn’t do anything they haven’t done before. Severino, Manea, Quintana, Peterson, etc, weren’t lights out per se, they just were healthy throughout the year. Severino only really had one bad year with the Yanks in 23, but that was injury riddled as has been all his time after TJ. Quintana pitched to his norms. Manea finally got a full go again. Peterson pitching to potential. I think the proper pitching coach and philosophy helps, probably for Sean especially, but I wouldn’t throw caution to the wind and just get anyone. This offseason feels sorta that. Sasaki would be an upgrade if they could land him, but it’s a matter of convincing him this Lab isn’t anything more than marketing, as Ham stated, to go cheap on pitching. Personally I didn’t see anything spectacular in what was done in 24, but let’s see it keep working and they can possibly convince me.
Boodge106
He had an ERA over 6 in 2023, and a sub 4 ERA in 2024.
Salzilla
Yeah and had multiple injuries in 2023 and the preciding seasons. And he has been very good before, better than 2024. Do you think I don’t know Luis’ history as a Yankees fan? I’ll give full health credit before anything.
User 3240017344
Ham
That was impressively uninformed.
metz247
Theres a bunch of jokers in here, apparently that dont actually follow baseball. Its not your job to enlighten them.
Miken31
Coocoo2o:
Wrong. Severino pitched horribly in 2023.
Miken31
Salzilla:
The expectations for this pitching staff last year were very very low. I think it’s becoming a bit of revisionist history where people are looking at it as though these guys were successful in the past so it’s not surprising. They were successful last year. That was not the perception going into the season. So I just feel like credit has to be given where it’s due. I don’t know if it’s the pitching lab or what but their starting pitching performed better than I and most people expected it to. I have no idea if the Mets have a shot at Sasaki or not, but I would certainly use this as an angle to try and sell him on the team.
Boodge106
He also was tipping his pitches in 2023 which was widely known but the Yankees were unable to fix it. He did fix it for 2024 with the Mets. It’s ok to admit that the Mets have a great pitching coach and pitching lab. That doesn’t mean they are better than the Yankees or any other team. It just means we should generally give the benefit of the doubt to them when they sign guys that they believe they can get the best out of with some modifications.
nacb55
He is actually correct, so are you kind of. Sean dropped the 4 seam the second half of the year with the giants and was highly successful (though not starting much).
2024 was a continuation of moving to the sinker like he did most of his career. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/sean-manaea-6…
That being said- I would still expect regression with Manaea this year and wouldn’t point to the Mets being magical and the only reason why he was good in 2024. I’d also say moving from the terrible giants fielding team of 2023 to a very good Mets team was a nice net gain for him.
Miken31
nacb55:
I never used the term magical in terms of the Mets with helping correct pitchers lol. As far as Manaea’s second half with the Giants, nobody was banging the door down to sign the guy so he may have pitched better in the bullpen and the second half, but ultimately his improvements as a starter came this year with the Mets, which you are acknowledging. Again, it’s all anecdotal evidence, but I’m just talking about supporting evidence for Sasaki to want to sign with the Mets. I never said this is a hard and fast science.
Salzilla
I didn’t see last year’s staff as anything more than what it was supposed to be. Plugs to get through what ownership deemed a season where they weren’t supposed to compete. Their eyes were on 2025. So, absolutely, no one thought oh great acquisitions or even, the Pitching Lab’s got this. No one even uttered the words Pitching Lab at all. It wasn’t until halfway through and seeing the results, that that started coming into focus. The only pitcher I thought was a good signing for the price was Sev, because I thought he indeed could get back to it with good health and I’ve personally watched him for years. But all those guys do indeed have a history, so that should be taken to account. So it’s hard to give credit just yet which such a small sample size, but like I said keep that going and I may become a believer.
Miken31
Salzilla:
Hold on a minute here. The year before Severino was injured as he’s been for years and had an ERA over six. He pitched a ton of innings last year with a sub 4 ERA. You expected that? Manaea had an excellent season and was pitching like an ace in the second half. You expected that? Quintana was unhittable in August and September. You expected that? David Peterson had an ERA under 3. You expected that? I keep saying it’s anecdotal evidence, but let’s not go too far the other way either and act like there weren’t some interesting transformations last year. And I keep saying I agree that the proof will be over time not from one season. But all I have at this point is this one season to go on with Sterns in charge.
Salzilla
I did NOT think that, but I do firmly believe a player who has a track record of being decent (none of them pitched above their best career norms btw) can get back to that with full health, help with mechanics, etc., which they got. It’s not like Hefner and Stearns reinvented the wheel here, though. Plenty, most?, pitching coaches are there for a reason. Some are just more successful with certain players than others. And any pitcher on any team of any quality can have great stretches. Like I said too small of a sample size. Let’s see what he does with this crop, which should be more challenging.
Miken31
As I said… Anecdotal evidence.
By the way, Montas does have a track record of success as well. I know Yankee fans don’t like to hear that because of how he pitched there. But there is something there in the tank. How much I don’t know.
nacb55
Sometimes people use words in statements that aren’t echoing your exact thoughts. But you definitely dismissed Ham’s thoughts without really providing much in return.
Manaea’s first half 2023 ERA was 5.49 2nd half 3.43. Pitch usage was dramatically different. He was well on his way to the 2024 numbers.
Start of 2024 was good- then he did dip his throwing angle to mimic Chris Sale- perhaps the Met’s pitching dev team’s ideas or not- then his stuff took off more.
The biggest thing that teams do to new pitchers is adjust what pitches they are throwing- especially when the pitch is getting lit up by hitters. I don’t see anything special or different that Met’s did last year comparatively to other teams.
Perhaps we should consider the Pirates because they have success with reclamation projects as well?
Salzilla
He does, though a bit more of an up and down career overall.
Miken31
Nacb55:
Are you considering the fact that Manaea pitched out of the bullpen in the second half? You don’t think that maybe that was a factor and something that teams were considering when signing him in the off-season? Who’s to say that same success would’ve happened in the starting rotation? I can’t say what would’ve happened if he were starting, but the fact that you’re leaving that out would seem fairly dismissive to me as well. That’s a basic point you didn’t provide in return. But a pretty big one.
nacb55
Do you know how the Giants used their bullpen in 2023? He pitched more innings the 2nd half vs the first half. The giants would use bullpen games and their traditional starter would come in in the 2nd or 3rd inning.
I honestly just piped in here because you were quick to quiet Ham down without really taking a deeper look at the point.
I’m sure we can point to a million statistics and argue in circles. I’m sure Cohen is spending $ in creating good support systems for players- I’d say that we just aren’t seeing the fruits of the labor at this point. The players who you used in your example weren’t great- if we wanted use the inverse of your point would we provide the pitching development team with credit for making Verlander and Scherzer less effective the year before?
None of this matters in terms of the actual topic. Sasaki isn’t choosing his location because of a strong pitching analytics team. He has his reasoning and rational that I don’t think any of us can speculate on because he just gave up a metric ton of career earnings to come over 2 years early.
Miken31
Nacb55:
It’s still different coming out of the bullpen as opposed to knowing you’re going to be starting every fifth day. And incidentally Manaea wasn’t that amazing in the first half of the season with the Mets. So obviously he didn’t have everything figured out in that second half of the season with the Giants. He really came on majorly in the second half of the season for the Mets. And I’m focused more on last year because this is the first year that Stearns was involved with the organization. Anything before last year wouldn’t have his imprint on it. And I wasn’t saying this is why Sasaki will choose the Mets. I was just giving some supporting points. But quite honestly, neither of us can say what will make Sasaki choose his next team, and I wouldn’t dismiss these items because neither of us knows what’s in his head. There was actually a report that his agents very much like Jeremy Hefner, and think that a strong pitching lab can help him in terms of getting to another level and then making big money in this next contract. Who knows if it’s true, but I would say that these factors could be bigger than anyone might realize.
dasit
sasaki is an ace. he doesn’t need developing. any pitching coach who tries to tinker with him should be fired
Pads Fans
CEO’s usually are not training frontline employees, but they are still responsible for them doing the job well.
If Stearns brought in people to the Mets organization that are great at developing pitchers like he did with the Brewers he is still great at developing pitchers.
ReyDay
Keeping him healthy is turning him around ? That’s part of the process
Pads Fans
nac, his FIP and xFIP didn’t change much from Giants to Mets so it had little to do with the defense behind him.
Pete'sView
Ham Christ — No, having watched Manaea with the Giants (including his better second half), I can tell you that whatever the Mets did with Manaea made a difference.
Still, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him regress to the #4 or #5 pitcher he’s been throughout his career until last season in NY.
rct
“Manaea wasn’t turned around. He continued his performance from the second half with the giants.”
He started a grand total of four games in the second half of 2023 with the Giants. They were good, but not giving the Mets credit for keeping him on track and healthy for the entire 2024 season just seems like needless hating. If you’re giving the Giants credit for four starts, you have to give the Mets credit for 32 of them.
nacb55
Good to know. I’m honestly surprised, I obviously didn’t take a deep look at those stats as the Giants in 2023 were honestly a terribly fielding team so I made an incorrect assumption there.
Raymond Flagstaff
The biggest credit seems to be chris sale period
Pads Fans
2021-2023
Manaea – 4.41 ERA
Severino – 4.65 ERA
2024
Manaea – 3.47 ERA
Severino – 3.91 ERA
Manaea said that he started throwing more sinkers after the All Star break in 2023 at the suggestion of
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Jeremy Hefner, Mets pitching coach, who told him that a sinker/slider combo would play better than the 4 seam/changeup combo he had been using. That they tunneled better. He pretty much stopped throwing that change. A pitch that didn’t play at all because its 85 mph speed was too close to his FB. Niebla tried to get him to do that while he was with the Padres in 2022, but he refused.
Pads Fans
Nac, Manaea had 6 starts in the first half, all but one as an opener, vs 4 in the 2nd half, all of which that went 5+ IP. He closed out the season as a starter the last month. He also had another game as the piggyback where he went 5+ innings in the 2nd half.
One of the things that Wolfe said was that Sasaki wanted to visit the teams training facilities, meaning he does care about the team’s pitching analytics/pitching lab.
nacb55
@ RCT
He was healthy with the Giants. You ran into two teams with two different different pitching philosophies. Alex Cobb, Logan Webb and DeSclafani were the only true starters for them that year.
Junis was used as an opener more than not and they went with Manaea as a swing person who would come in after the opener.
padam
Manaea was turned around quite a bit. He changed his motion and release, which resulted in a serious uptick up. Severino, while he’s always been talented, flourished under Hefner as well.
Raymond Flagstaff
Lmao they developed degrom among many others, if u wanna troll try to be slightly coherent more people will listen to your nonsense
Miken31
An ace? The guy hasn’t even pitched in major-league baseball yet. Obviously he has huge upside, but to proclaim him ann ace already is a bit ridiculous.
Poolhalljunkies
So yea thats hiring the right people to do the developing…hes not doing that job
Pads Fans
No, he is smart enough to be able to develop the STAFF than can develop the players. Without him, the staff is not hired and the development doesn’t happen.
nacb55
This staff hasn’t developed deGrom. Plus I’d venture to say for elite pitchers there is a balance of development vs star out of their way and enjoy.
Would you say the pirates developed Skenes?
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m still shocked that Sasaki decided to come to MLB this year. He’s limiting his earnings over the next 6 seasons considerably and risking $100’s of millions of dollars by doing so. If he stayed in Japan for two more seasons, he’d be a lock for a $300M+ contract (health dependent of course). Instead, he’s signing up for a small signing bonus ($6-$8M), 3 seasons of league minimum salaries and 3 seasons of arbitratio salaries..If he’s a star in MLB, he could potentially earn $50M-$60M over these six seasons and risking an arm injury that could lose him $200M+ in career earnings.
I’m not sure if this is legal, but perhaps he’s asking teams if they’d be open to an early contract extension to buy out his arbitration years and some free agent years if he performs well in 2025? If he’s as dominant as we think he is, he could get a $200M contract extension after 1-2 seasons in MLB and still become a free agent in his early 30’s. That would make a lot more sense than playing out his first 6 years with standard salaries. Unlike Ohtani, he doesn’t have dominant offensive skills to fall back on where two major arm surgeries won’t limit his free agent earnings.
Wire to wire 2024
It was said in previous articles the league can veto extensions if they feel it’s circumventing the rules around international signings etc
Pads Fans
After 1 year, the team can sign him to an extension without incurring the wrath of Manfred. I would think that if they signed him to a $300 million extension at that point that MLB might still balk at approving the contract.
Rexhudler86
@pads fan you probably have to wait atleast two years. Maybe it’s passable if he gets rookie of the year.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Dorothy_Mantooth
Some players just want to compete. If one excels, the money will come.
KhaluChris
I don’t believe you’re able to promise additional compensation or extensions when negotiating under these circumstances. You’re also not even allowed to guarantee playing time. Weird process.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@KhaluChris
Because any handshake future extension jeopardizes the integrity of NPB’s posting system and undermines their league. MLB does not want to ruin that relationship with Japan.
LongTimeFan1
@Dorothy_Mantooth,
Sasaki’s had a lot of tragedy and heartache in his life – like losing his family in the tsunami when he was a boy – and so life to him is short, bad things can happen at any time and thus he doesn’t want to wait or risk blowing an opportunity that could be taken away while waiting.
joe_roc
hence why he is meeting with big market teams like the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Padres etc. He is looking tongontona place where he has value in being marketed to supplement his earnings.
thecheddahbob
RA Dickey, Matt Harvey, Zach Wheeler, Noah Syndergaard, Jacob DeGrom, Steven Matz, David Peterson, Sean Manea, and Luis Severino all disagree with you. But nice try
zootus
It hasn’t always worked great. There’s also been guys like Montero, Perez and Gsellman.
Baseballisthebest
It was a joke. Don’t get your panties all in a bunch.
Miken31
Baseball is the best:
If this is in reference to me, I have my panties firmly pressed and completely unbunched. I assure you.
Rexhudler86
@mike. I don’t think he said it was official. He was asked and obviously he’s a fan of the red sox. He could pick Colorado because he likes to snowboard who knows.
Niekro floater
Just building up the drama … where will he sign ? He wants to be part of something special. Go Dodgers !
cooperhill
Baseball desperately needs a salary cap!
Blue Baron
Which will never happen.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@coop
he’s going to be earning near nothing, so the Pirates can sign them too.
Pads Fans
Sasaki’s signing won’t impact any teams MLB payroll much. He will sign a minor league deal and get a signing bonus. Then if he is assigned to the majors he will get paid MLB minimum in 2025.
metsin4
What would having a salary cap do in this situation? Nothing.
Bill M
The mention of the word, “Dodgers” brings up the phrase, “salary cap.”
Enrico Pallazzo
Every single time. It’s hilarious. They’re don’t even have the highest payroll. Of but if the Mets sign someone for 800M that’s fine. Everything is good. No salary cap needed in that case.
settledownitsjustagame
If you build it like the dodgers, the fans will come. Most owners don’t have that desire to build a winner. They blame the fans for not coming but spend more and you’ll get more.
Biggie22
Word is he’s a big fan of Terry Francona & the Reds are a legit dark horse with their international pool dollars…
cooperhill
Baldi Francona!
Wire to wire 2024
A man can dream, him and hunter would be a fun 1-2 to watch
Low IQ Angels Management
Say Halo to the new Angels ace!!! Perry has this wrapped up.
Blue Baron
Biggie22: Whose word, yours?
toycannon
Get him signed, Mr Dipoto. Then, and only then, you can trade one of the current starting pitchers for an infield bat. Or 2 bats.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I wish it would be awesome for sasaki to replace Castillo (and be able to get rid of Hancock and trade other starting prospects)
We have more selling points than most teams but ichiro isn’t enough
Blue Baron
No “you” don’t.
Sorry, but you being a fan isn’t a selling point. It just means you’re biased.
BronxBombers23
Yankees will meet with Sasaki in Cal. Remember what Cash did say about the meeting with Yamamoto in Cal…
CNichols
What did Cash say about meeting with Yamamoto in Cal? I feel like I remember him saying something about how when Yamamoto came to New York for his meeting it was rainy/bad weather and it seemed like he was implying that was the reason he signed somewhere else
BronxBombers23
“ I remember sitting out in Beverly Hills me Boonie and Blake we’re sitting up on the penthouse waiting for our slot to go over and make our presentation and it was such a beautiful environment the weather was perfect and I said this is what we‘re competing with right now“ and then the weather in New York…
Citizen1
Dodgers have only $5 mil in bonus pool money. Id like to see the Braves sign him. Probably going to be the mariners though.
Pads Fans
One of the most overlooked things here is that Sasaki is already making more off the field than he will be paid by whatever team signs him right now.
Before he signed with the Marines when he was drafted in Japan, Dentsu had already given him a 300 million Yen or $2 million USD endorsement deal That was in 2019. In 2024 he earned about 1.5 billion yen or $10 million USD per year.
Whatever the signing bonus that a major league team gives him, it won’t approach what he will make in endorsements for several years. As soon as he signs with an MLB team, those endorsements will grow as well.
Unlike Ohtani, Sasaki had a team of advisers around him before he even signed with the Marines. MLB is just the next step in his plan for generational wealth. He is already well on his way with career endorsement earnings over the past 5 years exceeding 3 billion yen.
To me, the way he has handled his career both on and off the field points to him signing with a big market team, but in his agent’s comments at the Winter Meetings and several interviews with Sasaki himself, we find that Sasaki seems to resent the relentless nature of the Japanese press.
Maybe the Padres get lucky and he wants to play with his mentor and one of his heros, Yu Darvish, and also one of his Team Japan teammates Yuki Matsui in a slightly smaller market and be less in the media’s eye. As a Padres fan, I hope that is the case.
Bivouac-Sal
@pads
It is no doubt also attractive to Sasaki to become part of the longest running non-championship streak in ML baseball.
Pads Fans
1st person that I have ever muted after seeing their first post.
JudgementDay
Brewers are the same as the Padres. So technically Padres tied for 1st for longest running non-championship. Mariners are third by a few years.
zootus
Don’t forget the guard(ind)ians haven’t won since 1948.
Hugogo
If his plan was generational wealth, then after seeing Yamamoto get over $300 million why not wait? if he waited just one more year then baring injury he probably shatters that $300 million dollar deal. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure generational wealth isn’t NOT part of his plan but it sounds like this guy just wants to play.
stymeedone
Why not wait? You answered your own question: “barring injury”
VermonsterSD
The endorsement issue could work actually against the Dodgers too. There was talk a month or so ago that Yamameatballs only made about $5 million his year in endorsements, finding it hard to scratch up any behind Ohtani. The $$$ pool could be more wide open elsewhere.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Nonsense on endorsements. Worked against Yamamoto? Ohtani is by FAR the most followed baseball player in the world and it’s not close. His market is much larger than any other MLB player, Japanese or not. So it makes perfect sense as to why he’d be the most endorsed player. I don’t think the Japanese media goes hold on here too much money on Dodger players. If anything, it’s the opposite. Any other Japanese player on the Dodgers will get more Japanese advertising attention due to Ohtani.
Not even sure on the credibility of those numbers but Yoshi’s $5mm in endorsements would put him on par with Mike Trout and only behind Shohei, Judge and Harper. More than Juan Soto. More than Mookie Betts. Not a bad list for a “neglected” guy.
Pads Fans
Sasaki has the 2nd highest amount of endorsements for a baseball player in the world behind Ohtani. At the same point in their careers when Ohtani came to the US after his age 22 season in Japan, he had not yet crossed 500 million yen mark. Sasaki is at 1.5 billion. Yes, Ohtani is at over 3 billion yen today, but he was not at age 23.
Yamamoto is not close. 470 million yen in 2024. There are other MLB players that make more. Maybe a lack of endorsement money is why he waited to come to the US. Or maybe he was unable to work into his contracts with the Buffalos that he cold buy them out of the rest of his deal to come to the US early like Sasaki did with the Marines
Rexhudler86
@pads fans. I never looked at the numbers. Figured he wasn’t broke or motivated solely by money. The thing is he’s in position in to pick his team, and his price. I don’t see him signing until it’s atleast 8 million since that’s around the max for most teams. Like you said he has a team behind him they won’t be telling him to sign for 1 million to help the team sign more international free agents. As far as bidding war. that’s not possible I don’t understand why writer’s keep posting false narratives when the wiggle room is 8 -13. Definitely new york is a put off with media, but luckily he can have a interpretor to handle it as he smiles. Not sure if media matters to foreign players as much. The only problem is the fans will boo when he has a rough outing. I can see him selecting somewhere in the middle as far as market San Diego, and angels work if likes the west coast.
Baseballisthebest
Rex, do you happen to know what the most international free agent pool any team has been able to trade for since they started this system in MLB?
I can remember a couple of teams adding $1 million, but not much more.
Rexhudler86
@baseball. Angels did for Jim Johnson it was 1.2. Almost positive the cap was 3 million before they change the rules. That’s why I believe it will take atleast 8. Paul skenes bonus was 9. So it’s relatively close to market price.
Baseballisthebest
Someone who gets it. Dentsu is projecting that Sasaki’s endorsements will surpass $60 million annually within 5 years of him moving to the US. He would never earn as much playing baseball as he does in endorsements whether he stayed in Japan or came to the US. Of course he has to keep playing baseball at a high level to keep that endorsements money flowing in. If he plays well he will get an extension if he wants it.
Pads Fans
best, I read something to that effect too. I think Jim Allen reported on that too. Even if its just the same percentage jump that Ohtani saw when he came to the Angels, its going from $10 million to $40 million in endorsements by the time he is a FA.
Jbigz12
Could you have at least done a different style avatar before agreeing with yourself again.
Pads Fans
Who are you talking to? My avatar is a shot of a surfer in the ocean. His looks like some kind of plant in the desert. They couldn’t possibly be more different.
I would guess you are saying that because you have multiple accounts. Projection. Is Ragnarok another Ryan account?
Pads Fans
Come to think of it, Rally Goose, Harambe, Fernando Ringworm, LFGSD19, myhowtheturnshavetabled, and most of your other accounts have not been very active lately.
So Ragnarok IS the new Ryan account. Glad I caught that.
Bivouac-Sal
Facts are hard
KhaluChris
Based on what I’ve read about Roki Sasaki, I would guess his most likely suitors (in order) to be the Padres, Athletics, Rays, Giants, Angels, Diamondbacks, Pirates, Tigers, Orioles & Reds. I know I just named half the league but, I would bet that it won’t be any of the big dogs like the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets or any bigger market team.
Bivouac-Sal
Chris
Clearly you know what you are talking about.
KhaluChris
@bivouac-sal clearly you’re sarcasm doesn’t offer much to the conversation, maybe you could offer where you think he’ll go. But either way, we will see.
Bivouac-Sal
Khalu:
“Based on what I’ve read about Roki Sasaki,”
About 50 weeks ago we all read that Ohtani was on a plane, pen in hand, ready to sign with Toronto.
So regardless of what you have read, it’s all BS until he announces his choice. Naming 10 teams as his likely suitors is a joke. At this point 30 teams want him. Again, meaningless. Just as meaningless as the poll from 30 big league execs who, all but one, said Saaski is going to the Padres or the Dodgers.
Asking me to name where I think Roki will go…also pointless. I root for the World Champs so naturally I hope they get him. But this exercise in prognostication is just so much wasted energy. We will all find out what he wants in mid January. Until then as you yourself said “we will see.”
Obviously lots of fans enjoy this mental masturbation and it’s harmless so knock yourself out. And count me out.
KhaluChris
Wow, that was a pretty big and useless rant from someone who prefers to be “counted out”. My God, you are a miserable person. You have my sympathy.
Bivouac-Sal
oh good. now I can go on.
Motor City Beach Bum
Half the fun of being on here is playing armchair GM. There is a mute button if you dont want to read someones posts or you coukd just scroll on by. I expect you have experienced it before. Or..you could just post a half a page on why you are not going to post about where Sasaki is going 😉
Bivouac-Sal
I’m just gonna let you pass,
Yes, and I’ll go last.
Then time will tell who fell
And who’s been left behind,
When you go your way and I go mine.
Motor City Beach Bum
Very Dr Seuss’ish. I like it. Cheersdude.
Bivouac-Sal
actually Dylan. Peace bro.
Boodge106
The Giants are not a big market team?
KhaluChris
@boodge106 I’d say they’re probably middle of the pack. They’re certainly not the Dodgers but, I included them because I do believe that west coast teams definitely have an edge on selling Sasaki.
EricM8
The dodgers, yankees, mets, giants all signed QO players, so they do lose some of their pool money.
As of now, both SF & NYM have 2 of the top 3 IFA candidates on their radar prior to Sasaki.
So it’ll be interesting how much money Sasaki commands vs a team potentially passing up on a highly touted IFA player of the ’25 class.
CNichols
He’s valuable enough that a team would break off their other deals to pay him.
Interestingly though the Padres and Dodgers don’t have anyone near the top of the 2025 class and they usually invest heavily in IFA.
Simm
The padres have signed the top IFA guy the last two years. Aren’t connected to any of the top guys this year but are again next season.
Feels like they have been planning for this for a while.
differentbears
Who did the Dodgers sign that had a QO?
llokokokok
I don’t think they did.
Bivouac-Sal
they didn’t sign any QO FA this year so far
Simm
It’s for last years signings. The penalty is delayed.
differentbears
But Sasaki is signing after January 15, when the international pools reset, I thought. Unless I’m missing something.
Simm
Ohtani counts against the 2025 bonus pool. Anyone this year will count against the 2026 pool. If it counted the same year you could sign a roki on the 15th with the full pool then sign a QO guy the next day.
Simm
Ohtani
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I have never liked the international draft system.
After all these years, and all that money = each and every year, the Tigers have Ibanez. That’s it.
The system is lousy.
Spend money in Latin America…or else. If you don’t, you lose it.
Hundreds of pointless signings each year. WHY?
They are distributing money, Lording it over disadvantaged people and making some individuals powerful people in less than savory situations.
You KNOW, it’s got to be dirtyier than mud….
Almost a 1/4 of a billion dollars transfered OUT of the US, every year…..
Who thinks this is a good system?
Raymond Flagstaff
So in your opinion they shouldnt be giving out contracts because theyre poor over there?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
That would be insane, but only slightly more insane than thinking someone would be as insane as to be thinking someone would be insane enough to be thinking something like that. Because that would be insane.
Really.
Jpenglish
jpenglish
just hoping and praying he lands in Cleveland. If he wants the the best pitching team around him there’s no better place than CLE. Some have gotten better but CLE and TB are elite. The situation in TB facilities could hamper their position.
Raymond Flagstaff
Why would he want best pitching around him? Pitchers want best hitting and a good catcher… maybe a reliever or 2
Hugogo
If he was all about the money, he’d wait a year. He’s likely signing with a team on the west coast he likes who’s going to trade for some bonus pool money and throw him 5-6 million dollars. Tops, but this east coast fan can dream.
pepenas34
It is 2 years if Sasaki wants to be a FA.
seamaholic 2
He can be traded and extended before then. He can’t be extended immediately, but after a year or two the league will approve it. This “why didn’t he wait two years” meme is meaningless.
pepenas34
I don’t know if he is having the same treatment that Ohtani, where the commissioner prohibited clubs to give any contract extensions talks before he reached FA 6 years later.
C4Luke
It would be legendary if he goes to the White Sox. A smaller market and a terrible team, but he would easily be the best player.
Raymond Flagstaff
If by legendary u mean stupid
cubfanforever
It’s not going to be one of the New York teams. I’m betting the Cubs.
Raymond Flagstaff
Ok cub fan forever. Everyone loves murder capitol usa
cubfanforever
That would be East St. Louis, Illinois Mr. Flagstaff.
Raymond Flagstaff
Guess it depends how u gerrymander it. Either way chicago is no place to raise a family
mystateline.com/news/chicago-named-murder-capital-…
“Chicago had 697 total homicides in 2022, higher than Philadelphia (516), New York City (438), Houston (435), and Los Angeles (382). Chicago has led the nation for the 11th straight year, the report concluded”
Pads Fans
Chicago is not in the top 30 in violent crime per capita. Bad is St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland, and Milwaukee among cities with MLB teams. Nashville is in that group too if MLB puts a team there. So is Las Vegas.
Chicago metro had 26.3% of the violent crimes per capita that St Louis metro had.
Raymond Flagstaff
Lol i know chicago fans wanna make this about stl, but face it who cares, chicago is a war zone. Vote better, protest better, move out, get over it, u can still like the cubs
Pads Fans
Per capita is how you measure war zone. You are nearly 4 times as likely to be involved in a violent crime in St Louis than in Chicago. More likely there than in Mexico City.
You must be really dense to think I am a Chicago fan.
Raymond Flagstaff
Youre dense if you think im researching who i respond to here. Chicago = war zone. Get over it
nacb55
I think it’s funny that his agent is saying landing in a city without a large media presence would be good- wouldn’t that hurt his marketability-> earning power-> more $ for agency?
Raymond Flagstaff
I thought the same. I think they know when FAcy comes he will be marktable to large cap teams anyway, so its irelevant
Swingandamiss
The media does a good job of sniffing these out, but given the quietness of this one- I actually think the Cubs could pull away with this one. Padres and Dodgers are getting talked about too much and the Cubs have a good support system in place too.
The Yankees would be a horrible landing spot.
1090198
Would fit perfectly in Pittsburgh
Raymond Flagstaff
U mean fit in obscurity? Maybe. Fact is he fits in on every single team. What matters is what he wants. I cant see pittsburgh offering much of value
whyhayzee
Mets Meet With Roki Sasaki
December 20th, 2024 at 2:15pm CST • By Anthony Franco
December 20: The Cubs are going to be meeting with Sasaki today, reports Bruce Levine of 670 The Score.
rct
Curious they didn’t change the article title after adding that tidbit about the Cubs.
johncoltrane
Roki will go to yanks mets or dodgers
He is looking for big market endorsements
And winning WS
kgcubs
Aloha folks, as a Cub fan and of Japanese heritage, lived there as well and following Roki-san for years. I admit this is my “Christmas wish” for an addition to the team. I’m so happy that Imanaga-san has worked out so far, I wanted him too for the team. Also Shota’s interpreter was a catcher in college, might I add in Hawaii, lol! But I digress. I think he’d do very well in Chicago.
Having said that, relationships are very important in Japanese culture and Roki’s friend and mentor is former Cub Yu-san. If Sasaki-san doesn’t come to Chicago I think he’d be good in San Diego.
Gunbaremasu Chicago FO! Mahalo and Mele Kalikimaka!
Raymond Flagstaff
I know im biased but the mets make the most sense for him without knowing specficaly what he values.
Japanese teammate
Multi cultural city
Ability to knock off the 2 top japanese studs making your mark in the largest market and for the fans at home
6 man rotation
Wealthy owner givng continual chance to win
Top pitching coach and organization known for pitcher development and currently their attention to detail when helping players out
Wouldnt shock me at all
hllywdjff
Mariners…
Motor City Beach Bum
He’s heading to the Tigers. Young team on the upswing with Chris Fetter and their pitching lab to aid his development.
Raymond Flagstaff
If he goes to detroit he might need to be committed
Motor City Beach Bum
You mean Detroit who had the reigning Cy Young winner and pitching coach Chris Fetter who just won Coach of the year? Plus a great manager and young hitters in the rise. They were listed as having g the #1 farm system in baseball today by SI I think. Sounds like a terrible place for a young pitcher to pick 😉
Raymond Flagstaff
Manager of the year is so beyond meaningless. Guys regularly get fired the next ywar
Motor City Beach Bum
Hinch didn’t win manager of the year, he was 3rd.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
“D”etroit.
DigglinDickers
We all know he’s going to be a Dodger.
Raymond Flagstaff
Since you know that i’m assuming you put your wealth on it?
Acoss1331
Uncle Steve can most definitely promise him the moon and stars, but Cubs have a shot at Sasaki too. We got Shota and Imanaga, let’s see if Hoyer convinces him.
16
Shots and Imanaga happen to be the same person…
16
Shota, damn autocorrect
Acoss1331
Shota and Suzuki, thank you!
Kimber1911
At first thought, definitely feel like he will sign with the dodgers to play with ohtani, get a large contract after taking crumbs at first due to pool limitations but he may want to play somewhere where he can fly under the radar and just pitch. In terms of development, Chris Fetter of the Tigers is the best and would help advance his game more so than any other pitching coach. I still vote he goes to a west coast team regardless of initial contract knowing he will cash in sooner than later especially due to his young age.
Pads Fans
I have both a Kimber Custom Shadow Ghost and a Colt Gold Cup Trophy. Not sure which I like best.
My wife loves her Kimber Eclipse. Other than for CCW qualifying and into the range, I don’t think that thing has left her purse since she bought it.
harrycarey
I thought he was signing with the Brewers because they have the best pitching lab. Best in the biz. If you ever watch on Brewer TV old Rock, BA and Jeff tell you that each game
Seaver rules
Of course the Mets have a good chance of signing him. He and his agent knows Cohen will pay top dollar when he’s eligible for it plus he instantly becomes their ace #1 starter by year 2. Senga starts this opening day.
RotiniRick
Maybe he doesn’t want to play in Ohtani’s shadow and he goes to a team where he can be their big star. Although that seems like more of an American player thing to do and less Japanese
DigglinDickers
The same thing was said about Yamamoto not wanting to play in Ohtani’s shadow.
rudymay45
Yanks need to focus on offense. Bellinger doesn’t come close to filling the Soto-sized hole in their lineup. And Gleyber was a significant offensive contributor from about July on, he needs to be replaced too.