The Mariners have “expressed willingness” to listen to offers on veteran right-hander Luis Castillo, according to a report from Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. The report comes on the heels of Mariners president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto referring to dealing from the rotation as the club’s “Plan Z” for the offseason back in October. Indeed, it seems as though the club still isn’t necessarily enthused about the idea of parting with one of its starters, as Adam Jude of The Seattle Times reported this evening that while “anything is possible,” the club’s “public and private” stance entering the Winter Meetings is that they don’t want to trade from their rotation.
Even so, that the club is at least somewhat open to offers on Castillo is fairly notable. The right-hander, 32 next week, has three more guaranteed years on the extension he signed with the Mariners prior to the 2023 season. He’ll earn a $24.15MM salary each year from 2025 to 2027, and the contract also includes a possible option for the 2028 season. If Castillo misses more than 130 days due to a UCL procedure in 2025-2027, the contract includes a $5MM team option for the 2028 campaign. Otherwise, the contract includes a $25MM vesting option for 2028 that vests if Castillo throws at 180 innings during the 2027 season and receives confirmation from an independent physician after the season that he hasn’t suffered an injury that’d require him to begin the following year on the injured list.
In short, that somewhat complex deal guarantees Castillo $72.45MM over the next three seasons which could rise to $97.45MM over four years if his option vests. Notably, Castillo’s contract also included a full no-trade clause for the first three years of the deal that will remain in place through the end of the 2025 season, meaning the righty would have to approve of any trade he’s involved in. It’s unclear whether Castillo would be willing to entertain a trade out of Seattle or what his preferences might be, and it’s possible that the right-hander’s no-trade clause could render any trade talks moot if he’s unwilling to leave the Mariners.
Should Castillo and the Mariners both be open to a trade, however, it’s easy to see why he might be of interest to rival clubs. The righty’s $72.45MM guarantee over the next three years isn’t much more than what left-hander Yusei Kikuchi received from the Angels this winter, and Castillo compares quite well to the veteran lefty. Not only is he a year and a half younger than Kikuchi, but the right-hander has also roundly outperformed him on the field. Kikuchi’s pitched to a 3.96 ERA with a 3.78 FIP in 64 starts for the Astros and Blue Jays over the past two years, while Castillo has posted an excellent 3.43 ERA and 3.72 FIP in 74 starts since he first donned a Mariners uniform following the 2022 trade deadline. Given the ever-escalating prices on the starting pitching market and the hesitance many teams have shown engaging on pitchers encumbered by the Qualifying Offer, Castillo could be an attractive alternative to mid-market players like Sean Manaea and Nick Pivetta who remain available in free agency.
That’s not to say there are no causes for concern in Castillo’s profile, of course. Castillo has lost nearly two ticks of velocity off his fastball since his peak with the Reds, and since arriving in Seattle his once-superb groundball rate has fallen off to a more pedestrian 39.1% over the past two years. His strikeout rate dipped similarly this year, settling in at just 24.3% in 2024. That left him as a more-or-less league average starter by both results and peripherals this year, as he pitched to a 3.64 ERA with a 3.91 FIP and a 3.79 SIERA in 175 1/3 innings of work. That said, Castillo helps to make up for his diminishing results with volume. He’s been something of a workhorse throughout his career, pitching at least 150 innings in every wire-to-wire, 162-game season of his career while averaging nearly 178 innings per season since the start of the 2021 campaign.
Overall, Castillo is a solid, durable arm who can slot cleanly into the front or middle of virtually any club’s rotation. That should make him an attractive piece in a hot market for starting pitching, and if Castillo is open to a trade it wouldn’t be a shock to see the Mariners leverage their excellent rotation to help address other areas of the roster, even as they express reluctance to do so. After all, it’s worth noting that the club may face a budget crunch this winter that makes dealing Castillo and the $24.15MM he’s owed more palatable. While the Mariners are expected to enter 2025 with a payroll higher than their 2024 figure, that’s a point they’ve already reached: RosterResource projects Seattle for a $146MM payroll in 2025, and their year-end payroll this year was $144MM. Even with a small increase to payroll expected, that seemingly leaves very little room for the club to add salary.
That could pose a problem for the Mariners, given their reported interest in adding two infielders this winter. The club has a reported preference to add at the infield corners but has also been connected to middle infielders in the rumor mill, such as Cubs second baseman Nico Hoerner and KBO infielder Hyeseong Kim. Cubs first baseman Cody Bellinger and Phillies third baseman Alec Bohm are among the other players the Mariners have reportedly considered on the trade market, and the club also reportedly has interest in reuniting with either Justin Turner or Carlos Santana in free agency.
Of course, adding any of those players would cost money, and without a more substantial increase to the budget than expected it could be a tall order to add two of them. The Mariners would surely love to move on from the final year of either Mitch Haniger’s or Mitch Garver’s contract, but both sluggers have negative trade value coming off rough seasons. A Castillo trade, by contrast, likely could bring back a notable return while also clearing plenty of money off the club’s books to afford additional financial flexibility this winter to either dabble in free agency or take on salary on the trade market.
Yankee Clipper
Please don’t screw this up….again, Cashman.
The_M4N
@Clip, my friend, that’s like saying “water, please don’t be wet.”
Yankee Clipper
lol…. So true.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Ain’t happening unless the Yankees let him keep his dreadlocks.
Yankee Clipper
There’s nothing that prohibits dreadlocks. He’s just got to trim them up a bit.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
LOL I bet my left nut he still rejects the trade.
Yankee Clipper
But I know a good barber!
bloomquist4hof
Wouldn’t the middle nut make more sense?
Brettlez
Yankees have nothing the Ms want
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
I’d like that shortstop they have but that’s really it. Could move JP to 2B to make room. Upgrades 2 spots.
rocky7
You don’t know unless you ask……
TB Sox NY
Maybe for Spencer Jones.Jones might have enough power to hit in Safeco.
Brettlez
Obviously the Mariners want a proven big leaguer
Can we please get a DH?
Mariners don’t want Spencer Jones. They already have Laz Montes in a similar mode and Jones K’d at a 37% clip in AA…
SodoMojo90
37%? Yikes. No thanks. Though he’d fit right on in with that hitting profile.
KingKen
Dipoto, if you’re going to be serious about acquiring difference making offensive players you’re going to have to get serious about who you’re willing to trade. Castillo isn’t going to get you what you need. It’s gonna take Gilbert or Kirby. Until you’re willing to consider one of those 2 don’t bother.
bwmiller79
Miller or Woo both would bring back a couple nice prospects from the Orioles. Could probably get Westburg.
Samuel
bwmiller79;
LOL
Where do you come up with this stuff?
bwmiller79
I don’t know. It’s pretty simple really. Westburg is a decent IF prospect, he ain’t nearly what the Orioles fans think he is. Woo is a good pitcher but Mariners could stand to add a couple nice prospects to their offense. Orioles could add one or two other position players to make it a good trade. Mariners should keep Castillo and trade one of the two young pitchers, they will get a nice return.
Brettlez
Why would they trade their youngest pitchers, especially when the Ms are money conscious. Miller or Woo would certainly get Westburg + quite a bit more.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
The main thing is that a Castillo trade saves them money which then can be rolled into a difference maker free agent signing. They could get an average player in return for Castillo to fill one of their holes, and then put money towards a possible deal for Alex Bregman or Anthony Santander. Highly unlikely it happens, given everything we know about the Mariners and how the like to run themselves, but it’s still an idea that they’re probably looking into and imo is a better idea than trading Gilbert/Kirby.
Samuel
Jarred Kelenic’s Beer Can;
The fact that it saves the Mariners money is why they may be floating his name out there. But that means the team trading for him will have to take on that salary, and that’ll affect what they’re willing to give up in trade.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Right, but the Mariners only need one major difference maker, and my preference is that they hang onto the younger starters since they’re the reasons the Mariners are even remotely sniffing the playoffs. Castillo and a little bit of money for some team’s decent player, then go spend big on the remaining free agents.
hoof hearted
Bingo.
McGrundle
One difference maker? What about the other 6 lineup slots that don’t have the names Raleigh and Rodriguez written on them? In this lineup, Dan Wilson’s 1996 stats would have him hitting cleanup.
noproblempablo
But they don’t have the budget. Even if they could allocate Castillo’s entire salary to Bergman it’s not enough.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
It’s about how much money Ownership is going to allow him to spend. Getting legit starters with real bats is likely still gonna cost you. Trading Gilbert or Kirby but brining a $20 mil player will make ownership wet their pants. Keep the younger, cheaper pitchers and get rid of the more expensive pitchers so you can reallocate that money. That’s all that’s happening here.
Randall Charles
Mariners have enough prospects or money to make upgrades if they want.
sillywabbit
Then he won’t bother. The 4 youngsters aren’t available.
ayrbhoy
KingKen – just a friendly reminder, one of the best hitters in the 2024 lineup was picked up off the scrapheap for peanuts in June then signed to a 2 year extension in August. …..Victor Robles! The M’s just need Christian Walker or a Luke Raley/J Turner platoon and a half decent 3B.
They don’t have to trade away a Rotation piece to find a good hitter….they have plenty of valuable prospects
Bobcastelliniscat
Send him back to Cincinnati please.
This one belongs to the Reds
For sure! Make that deal before midnight.
PrincessYuki
Basically means they’re going to go after Roki Sasaki. Otherwise trading a pitcher makes zero sense.
KingKen
Everyone is going after Sasaki. But Sasaki has ideas where he wants to land even before teams start to try and woo him.
Can we please get a DH?
Or they see trading for Crochet is easier than trading for hitting.
dannycore
Three young starters are ready to fill the 5 spot. Evans, Garcia and Morales. With Hancock also there to give some innings if these guys don’t pan out
ayrbhoy
B Garcia will be a power lefty out of the Pen next yr. Morales and Evans are 2 yrs away imo
CheapBloom
Breslow, go get your man. Boston has the pieces.
JoeBrady
I don’t think Castillo is the man any more.
hllywdjff
Castillo and Ford will get us Hoerner and Bellinger…
B1G City
Might even get Garver off your books too…
Baseball dude
Bellinger will be Jesse Winker 2.0
No thank you!!!
hoof hearted
@ hlly -NO it won’t. Taking on $35m+ for Belli and nico. AND trade a top prospect? Only in fantasy baseball
hllywdjff
Cubs will have to eat at least half of that money…
KhaluChris
You can get Hoerner & Bellinger for Castillo straight up. No need to include Ford. And then sign Alex Bregman and that would be one helluva offseason for the M’s
twozero6ix
Felt like a matter of time with their restricted payroll.. With how stacked the pitching is, I could see them getting a haul for him. A solid bat or 2 plus low end starter.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
How can you see that? He’s not cheap. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.
Samuel
twozero6ix;
Dipoto can’t plan a budget’s outyears for spit. He’s backed himself into a corner and he’s not getting a “haul” for Castillo.
Dipoto traded cheap position-playing prospects with years of control for a starter. Almost immediately gave the guy a contract extension. Now he wants to trade the guy for position players….the guy is older and owed decent money for possibly 4 years. Sure, someone will be willing to trade. But don’t expect a couple of solid position players under reasonable contracts back.
Dipoto continues in circles. I wrote all this would happen the day he made the trade for Castillo. The man is so predictable. Am now waiting to see how he convinces ownership in the next 2 years that he needs to do yet another ‘tear-it-down and build-it-up-quickly’ exercise.
Selah Rick 2
Your comments are more predictable than Dipito ever will be!
JoeBrady
I thought it was an overpay as well, but the prospects aren’t yet doing anything.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Red Sox, orioles, cubs, tigers, I know you want an all star, perennial cy young candidate starter that is the best since Nathan eovaldi!!!
Alright guys don’t pile up too fast we want Roman Anthony and Coby mayo, Owen caissie, Jackson jobe
Bird4Life
Why would a team want a league average pitcher the past 1-2 years and trending downward (with another guaranteed 3 years at $72 mil) if it’s going to cost a top prospect? I’d offer you something like Beavers and Urias.. Definitely not Mayo
sillywabbit
Because that is how scarce TOR pitching is. After seeing what Kikuchi signed for, he’s a bargain. Starters are exponentially getting more expensive every year.
KhaluChris
You’re really bad at sensing blatant sarcasm huh
O’sfan222
Mike Elias please get in the phone mountcastle and beavers are ready for a change of scenery
bwmiller79
Probably as good as the M’s could do, they’d be asking for Mateo though.
Bird4Life
I wouldn’t even do that unless they pay at least $5m off that contract each year. Mounty and lower prospect or Urias and Beavers
bwmiller79
Mateo blows, he strikes out a ton.
The Orioles can send all there trash back if they take that contract on.
Ma4170
Mateo is terrible
terry g
There’s no going after Sasaki. Teams can only offer bonus money. He’ll very much decide where he goes.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
That’s true for every free agent. Shouldn’t stop teams from trying to sell him on the idea of signing with them though.
crazybaseballgal
And TMobile is a pitchers park, best in league. Which could set Sasaki up nicely for a big pay day after contract with Mariners is over
bwmiller79
The Mets will trade you Starling Marte and Jeff McNeil.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Don’t quit your day job, because comedy isn’t your calling.
bwmiller79
I thought it was funny, that 20M dollar hambone Marte is chewing on. That is until I read about what Soto will be getting paid in 2039.
Motor City Beach Bum
Castillo to the Tigers!
Tigers in Oakland
No sir. I agree we need pitching but unless he can hit for tork or baez it’s a waste.
good vibes only
Ya’ll know better than to be posting like the M’s are going to acquire any real talent here. If Castillo gets traded, it’s gonna be a salary dump.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
100% fact
rickoppelt
You don’t think Boston would give up casas if the M’s pay down some of castillos salary?
Blueberry
Not for Castillo, no.
Big whiffa
lol. Thats ridiculous. His contract is team friendly with tons of value !
BPG86
God, I hate our ownership.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
They’d rather buy a dying RSN than actually put together a team worth watching.
hoof hearted
Pick another team
BPG86
Wish it was that easy. I’ve been emotionally invested for almost 30 years.
Primitive Screwhead
Changing your team is a sign of poor character.
Happyfoolsteve
Orioles should be in on this. Mountcastle, McDermott and Beavers or Fabian would be a good conversation starter.
Samuel
LOL
Big whiffa
I thinks it’s gonna cost WAY more than that
Bird4Life
Did you read the article? He’s a league avg pitcher at this point trending downward the last 3 years. That’s a lot of guaranteed money.. which is okay in free agency, but not at the cost of giving up a bunch of players too
Big whiffa
I’m not high on crochet at all but his salary and production will demand way more than a montcastle headliner. There’s several other teams offering much better packages than that
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
League avg is 3.40ERA for Multiple years… with ZERO Injury Hjstory… what Leaghe are you watching? Because it’s definitely not MLB…
Bird4Life
Did you just try to insult me without actually negating anything I said? Yes, league average AND trending downward. Again that’s fine, but not at $24m AAV and the cost of giving up multiple decent players. Gotta eat some money if that’s the case. Orioles need a TOR starter and that’s not really Castillo moving forward. O’s have depth
johns-11
LOL of course. They had him a few years and now see a decline. Who wouldn’t try and trade him.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
It’s because he costs money and they need to upgrade… and are too cheap to spend more.
Samuel
They’re not “cheap”.
They have a PoBO that doesn’t know how to work with a budget so he keeps going in circles.
yeasties
@Samuel, everyone accepts that they are cheap. Ownership promised that payroll would increase when the competitive window was opened but instead has cut the budget a few times after Castillo was extended. The problem is above Dipoto’s paygrade.
Primitive Screwhead
They are very much cheap. Payroll is 40% of revenue: they have a lot of room to increase while still being profitable. They will not.
No GM will be right 100% of the time. Jerry and Justin have no financial flexibility to not be punished for any mistake. That’s on ownership being chiselers.
Stevil
The Mariners will listen to offers on pretty much anyone other than Julio.
hllywdjff
Castillo Ford and Young for Casas and Mayer..
rickoppelt
Young not included and the mariners pay one year of Castillo salary
hoof hearted
With the cost of SP and contracts just handed out; NO Ford or young. Castillo for Casas and Mayer, or abreu
hllywdjff
Mayer could be a poor man’s Bobby Witt…Amazing minor league nunbers…
JoeBrady
Not even remotely close. It feels like none of the Seattle fans realize that Castillo had a 101 ERA+ last year, good for a bWAR of 1.8, and is due $72M/3+.
He’s probably tradable, but I wouldn’t expect much more than salary relief.
hllywdjff
Somebody will overpay for Castillo…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
His war Is hurt by lack of offense…
Big whiffa
The Red Sox won’t do that but that’s my price if I’m trading Castillo. A sure fire young controllable bat like cases
Can we please get a DH?
I could see Castillo for Casas plus Giolito. Red Sox avoid adding payroll in the trade (can use that money to sign Bregman with Devers moving to 1B). Mariners land impact controllable bat and a 5th starter to have in the mix while they wait to see which of Evans, Morales and Garcia will make the jump.
Ma4170
I think youre all overestimating what Castillo can bring back. For a team to take on his whole contract the return wont be much. Wilyer abreu maybe… casas maybe… but im not even sure boston does either
GeronimoSon
Luis Castillo is exactly what the Phillies & Dave Dombrowski gravitate towards in a trade.. The Phillies & M’s match up pretty well, but, may need a third team to provide specifically what both clubs are on record to need..
We’ll see…
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Phillies get Castillo and enough cash to cover one of his years, Mariners get Bohm and Crochet, White Sox get their pick of prospects from both.
Ma4170
Bohm for castillo
JoeBrady
They have four SPs as good or better than Castillo, and then Painter when he gets promoted. And they don’t have the payroll for it.
What they need is a low-end #5 to pitch .500 until Painter is available.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
The ONLY reason they’re willing is because Castillo costs them and they’d like to get out of it and then try and reallocate their funds. Should’ve thought about that with Julio’s deal when you had him cheap for at least 3-4 seasons but instead you gave him an expensive extension. Wish Stanton and his stooges would just sell to an owner who prioritized winning and thus building a successful and lucrative brand that makes way more money than they make now.
GB2
Get rid of this bum!
ms since 77
Couple different packages for Castillo. which do you prefer. Ms may need to add a top 5-15 prospect to make equal…
Brandon Donavan and Jordon Walker (STL)
Tristan Casas and Wyler Abreu (BOS)
One yr of Bichette and 2B/1B S. Horwitz (TOR)
Top prospects Coby Mayo and Beavers (BAL)
hoof hearted
I’d take Boston, then Sea can move Arozarena
Stealing Signs
This Jays fan would do the Toronto trade in a heartbeat.
Big whiffa
How bout to Cleveland for both hitters they have on the market ? Only 1 year of control for both I think but frees up money for next season and boosts this lineup!
sillywabbit
All three are too light. Castillo’s contract has plus value & available TOR starters are SCARCE!
JoeBrady
Based on what Castillo did in 2024, what makes you think he is a TOP? He’s more like a good #3.
King Floch
Orioles should be all over this. It would solve the issue of trying to outbid teams with way more money to spend in free agency and won’t cost as much in prospect capital as Crochet.
Ryan Mountcastle or Ryan O’Hearn and a couple of good prospects for Castillo? Or Ramon Urias if they’d prefer a 3B instead of a 1B as the MLB piece.
hoof hearted
Don’t want mountcastle or O’hearn or prospects- period! Young, Mlb ready player. Castillo+$5m for Westburg AND a prospect. With SP contract handed out, Castillo has more value.
Bird4Life
You’re out of your mind. Westburg is a “current” all star who plays every day and cost league minimum. You can keep your aging league avg starter if it’s going to cost that. I’d explore it if the Ms want to be reasonable
King Floch
Gonna have to pass on that offer, not even remotely interested in trading a young all star with 5 years of control for an aging, expensive Luis Castillo.
Big whiffa
I agree. I think that’s best trade match and a fair offer.
monroe_says
“it’s worth noting that the club may face a budget crunch” …. The most important budget item for the Ms ownership is that they line their pockets each year with a $75 million profit
Joe S
“Throw in Harry Ford and we will give you Alec Bohm” Dave D
hoof hearted
Comparison of Castillo to kukuchi? Not even close. 1 good season for YK vs LC’s several years to top performance.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
The comparison begins and ends with how much money they’re currently signed for. Yusei’s making north of 20 million a year now.
bloomquist4hof
They could definitely move Castillo as is, except maybe for the NTC. He might want that vesting guaranteed or something like that to waive it, in which case his trade value goes from very little to likely having to eat money or include someone else. If he didn’t require that, they could get someone for him, but probably not much unless they added money or included a prospect, possibly involving a third team. Then they would need another starting pitcher, and would need to reinvest that money to be worth it. If they could use that money toward someone decent, and get at least another #4 type starter, could see them being slightly better overall, but that seems like a long shot. It would likely be a lateral move at best, and a salary dump at worst.
The_Porcupine
How bout castillo for jung and torkelson? Could see detroit picking up bregman for 3b in that scenario
muskie73
Blake Snell and Luis Castillo, who were born eight days apart, have each made 211 starts in their MLB careers.
Snell has posted 24.5 fWAR and 23.4 bWAR over 1,096.2 innings while Castillo has posted 23.9 fWAR and 24.0 bWAR over 1,230 innings. Over the past four seasons Snell has made 103 starts while Castillo has made 121 starts.
The disparity in their 2024 production cannot be ignored but at what point does recency bias enter the equation? Over the three previous seasons, including Snell’s 2023 Cy Young campaign, Snell posted 9.9 fWAR and 9.7 bWAR in 83 starts while Castillo posted 10.9 fWAR and 11.5 bWAR in 91 starts.
Snell may well have the higher ceiling but Castillo has been more durable and reliable. Each quality provides value. Given the deals landed by Snell and other starters this offseason, Castillo’s contract is not underwater.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Ya, alot of these guys forget that Scherzer and Verlander are coming off what, 45M Salaries… Kikuchi getting 22… BOYD getting15M and SNELL just breaking the Bank… Castillo is playing on a 10M dollar discount with a team friendly Option…
First off Castillo isn’t waiving his no trade for Detroit… so it’s got to be Cubs, Boston, either NY club. DODGERS… Castillo isn’t stupid and he’ll only waive it for a MASS market Team with a top5 offense and perennial winner lmao
Smokey the bear
I’m fine with trading him, BUT it can’t be to save money. Extend Gilbert and Kirby at a minimum with some of the savings. Hopefully they can fill one of the infield position with the trade and do another trade to fill one of the other. I’m not holding my breath that ownership will do the right thing.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
No need to talk extension yet and they won’t sign one until an Offense is in place, besides they’re both CONTROLLED for YEARS still…SMH
good vibes only
I agree they shouldn’t trade him just to save money. But there is zero reason to give extensions to Gilbert and Kirby. Or any pitchers that aren’t impending FA, for that matter. Way too much risk.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
YEP, I remember a 1st baseman we did that with
Captain K-Midd
All these Mitches on the Mariners and they ain’t done nothing
Philliesin4
They want Alec Bohm, and the Phillies want pitching in return. They obviously aren’t trading Gilbert/Kirby like Philly asked, but if they countered with Castillo for Bohm straight up it should be an easy yes
BigRedMachine
Pitching is so valuable. The Mariners are NOT trading Luis Castillo for Alec Bohm, straight up. Please put away the pipe.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Yeah, the Phillies Fans smoking some good stuff… trading Castillo for a a 7 WAR Career player on 1 good year makes Alot of sense… hahaha
Ma4170
Then theyre not trading castillo. His contract hurts his trade value. Theres a difference between overpaying a FA SP and trading for an overpaid SP.
BigRedMachine
I hope that we don’t trade Castillo. Keep our pitching staff intact and spend some dang money and trade prospects to get Two-Three Really good bats and a back end reliever.
CoachSantoni
Actually think the Phillies unload Walker and money as well in this trade. Perhaps they throw in putting prospect Abel
Ma4170
Defeats the purpose for Seattle, which is to cut salary. They won’t take back Walker.
Big whiffa
Must be raining in Seattle. Their fans are grumpy !
bloomquist4hof
The fans are always grumpy
Zippy the Pinhead
The only team never to have appeared in a World Series…1 playoff appearance in the last 21 years…almost 50 seasons and only a handful of playoff games…still talking about 1995 because what else is there…cheap, money grubbing ownership… Yeah, you might say we’re grumpy, but we have good reason.
good vibes only
We’re always grumpy lol
Astros_fan_in_Aus
I really like watching Castillo pitch, and I would love to see him in an Astros uniform, but I don’t think we have anyone to trade that would make a deal palatable for the Mariners.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Only way Mariners trade Castillo is if they’re overpaid for him… otherwise they keep him and sign Justin Turner…
Can’t be Castillo/ garver for Hoerner and Bellinger because that still leaves you no 3rd base… maybe if you tried JP at 3rd and Hoerner at SS but ARM a Problem…
Baltimore signed O’Neil and O’s Need pitching so maybe Westburg and Mountcastle… throw in Ford or 5Million maybe works?
Mets may lineup but who do the send back?
Yankees ain’t got anything we’d want…
Boston I guess could work amd they need Pitching…
I’d be suprised if he doesn’t just put it out there and then sit pat until spring training unless somebody gets AGRESSIVE… Castillo doesn’t have injury issues… and he’s signed to a team friendly deal for what 4 years compared to what #1 and #2 pitchers are getting in Free Agency…
Can we please get a DH?
Castillo + Garver for Hoerner + Bellinger is pretty close to salary neutral, so the Mariners would still have a bit of flexibility to address 3B, 5th starter and back up catcher.
yeasties
Castillo has a no trade clause. That depresses his value and limits the timing of a trade to around now, enough time to give his family time to adjust to new surroundings.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
His no trade clause is only until next year… then the Mariners can trade him ANYWHERE…
Randall Charles
What are these owners waiting for? A better opportunity to make the playoffs? We got 3 years left with this core group
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Worst part is Dumb Ass DIPOTO gave Suarez away for free playing on 12M team friendly Contract and nkw he Panic mode for a 3rd baseman when he had one… coukdve kept him and passed on Garver and had Geno DH a couple days while Lopez filled in at 3rd base… stupid, stupid, stupid… now even a decent 3rd baseman costs you 30M in FA!!!
Trashcan
And by July last year you would’ve wanted tard and feathered and ran out of town long before he ever got hot and ended the year on fire.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“tard” ??? What ?
bwood
The construction of The Great Firewall of China must be visible on the outskirts of your bush hut.
Primitive Screwhead
Dealing Suarez looked like genius in the first half of last year. I love Geno, but he’s unlikely to repeat his second half. Dealing Geno was not the problem.
Ownership is the problem. Jerry has no room to make the slightest mistake without the club paying dearly for it.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Dealing Geno was STUPID because there’s really only 15 3rd baseman in ALL of baseball ⚾️ the rest don’t have the power or the defense to play the position…
Braves_saints_celts
I wonder if the braves would try to swing a deal. His money would be cheaper than fried he’s already locked up on an extension something the braves like doing, and he won’t cost as much as crotchet as far as prospect Capitol and major league ready players. Something like maybe nacho alveraz one of waldrop or shawver and a couple throw in prospects, Owen Murphy maybe?
Rsox
Casas, Abreu, Campbell and at least one more high end prospect for Castillo?
BigRedMachine
As a Mariners fan, I love that, but that might be over paying for the Sox.
Rsox
It might be, but it also might be necessarily for the Sox to land an ace caliber starter with a proven track record, rather than gambling on Crochet that will cost about the same
JoeBrady
LOL!
Ma4170
Casas alone should bring back Castillo if Boston is absorbing that whole contract.
Zippy the Pinhead
I just don’t see it happening. You can’t have enough pitching and Castillo is one of the leaders on the team. Ultimately, I can see them among the leaders to get Sasaki, but that’s no guarantee of a trade. My guess, as it’s been since the start, is that they’ll try to get the two Kims, get just one of them, put him at 3B, and Bliss/Moore it until Cole Young is ready to come up. The cheaper version, always a distinct possibility, is Shenton at 3B, no Kims, and one of the 40 year olds at 1B until Locklear is ready. All this and they’ll have an expensive backup catcher, an underperforming but spunky infield, and an expensive 5th (6th?) outfielder that they’ll put on the 60-day IL at the first hangnail so they can collect insurance.
Biggie22
Reds give them back Marte, Stoudt & Moore who were all part of the original trade and then add in Candelario instead of Arroyo to help offset some of the money as well as his diminished value while also giving the Mariners another 3b option…
CoachSantoni
Phillies trade Bohm and Walker and 5 million for Castillo. This lowers Seattles payout by 5 million and they pickup a young 3rd baseman and hopefully fix Walkers delivery and he can slide into #5 spot.
houkenflouken
M’s say no way. Walker’s contract is an albatross and wouldn’t trade 3 years of Castillo for 2 years of Bohm straight up
Primitive Screwhead
M’s pitching depth falls off a cliff after their amazing top-5. One injury without a trade and they’re already handing starts to Emerson Hancock, which is sub-optimal. An injury after a trade gets even worse, unless they can bring in a starter better than Hancock.
Remember: this is all a deal because our owners are cheapskates, very happy to let this incredible window for winning just completely pass by. Payroll is 40% of revenue currently, meaning they have a lot of headroom to up it and still be profitable. They won’t do it, because they’re just profit-taking.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
We have plenty of young kids that sooner later need an audition… amd they’ll slot in the 5 spot… do you want enough offense for 1-4 Starters to win or ALL 5 to LOSE… to protect a No.5 Starter?
Primitive Screwhead
We do not have plenty of pitchers in need of MLB time. We have a couple of minor league pitchers that *might* be able to contribute in a couple years.
If you want the M’s to get better, that does not happen without a way to replace one of our starters with a starter as valuable. You can keep the rotation and need to fill one or two offensive holes, or deal one and need to fill 3 or 4 offensive holes as well as put much greater emphasis on a couple new high leverage bullpen arms.
hllywdjff
Casas Mayer and Giolito for Gilbert and Bliss