Over the weekend, The Boston Globe’s Alex Speier reported that the Mariners were willing to entertain offers on Luis Castillo. Trade chatter has picked up in the few days since then. Daniel Kramer of MLB.com writes that the M’s have received a higher volume of trade calls since Max Fried agreed to an eight-year deal with the Yankees on Tuesday.
Castillo, who turns 32 today, seems to be the one member of the Seattle rotation who’ll be available. President of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has continuously shot down the idea of trading from his young quartet of Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryan Woo and Bryce Miller. The M’s reportedly rebuffed the Red Sox when Boston floated a framework of Triston Casas for one of their young starters.
Jon Morosi of the MLB Network suggested yesterday that the Red Sox and Mariners remained in conversations about Seattle’s starting pitching. Boston is probably unwilling to give up Casas for Castillo, however. To that end, Speier relayed last night that a source informed him there was no traction on a deal that would involve those two players.
While Castillo is a less appealing target than Seattle’s controllable arms, he should have positive trade value in his own right. He’s coming off another productive season. Castillo started 30 times and worked to a 3.64 earned run average over 175 1/3 innings. He punched out 24.3% of batters faced against a solid 6.5% walk percentage.
That’s a slight step back from his typical production, as he combined for a 3.47 ERA with a 26% strikeout rate over the preceding three seasons. Even if this wasn’t his best year, Castillo looks the part of a mid-rotation starter. He has topped 150 innings in each of the last six full seasons. Castillo’s fastball sits in the 95-96 MPH range. He still has a better than average strikeout and walk profile.
The differentiators between Castillo and his rotation mates are his contract and age. He’s signed for three more seasons at $22.75MM annually. The deal contains a ’28 vesting option valued at $25MM if Castillo reaches 180 innings in 2027 and finishes that year healthy. There’s some protection for the team in the event he suffers a significant arm injury. If Castillo requires surgery to repair the UCL in his throwing elbow and misses more than 130 days, there’d be a conditional $5MM club option for 2028.
Leaving the options aside, the contract has $68.25MM in guarantees for his age 32-34 seasons. That’s probably a little less than what he’d make if he were a free agent this offseason. Castillo is more consistent than Yusei Kikuchi, who got $63MM going into his age-34 season. He has similar numbers to Nathan Eovaldi, who just inked a $75MM deal for ages 35-37.
One complicating factor: Castillo’s deal includes a full no-trade clause through the end of next season. The trade protection goes away at the end of the year (though he would receive a $1MM assignment bonus if he’s traded after 2025). Kramer writes that the Mariners have informed the righty that they’re fielding more interest. The report doesn’t shed any light to which teams, if any, Castillo would approve a trade.
If he’s amenable to moving, the Mariners should be able to offload most or all of the contract while netting a legitimate return. A potential cornerstone bat like Casas is a stretch, but it’s reasonable to expect some kind of immediate lineup help. It’d also open budgetary space for the front office to add to the offense in free agency. Ryan Divish and Adam Jude of the Seattle Times have reported that the M’s are working with around $15-20MM in payroll room; Kramer suggests the same in today’s report at MLB.com. Pushing that closer to $40MM would open a lot more opportunities for Dipoto and his staff to strengthen the corner infield.
It would be a notable hit to their rotation. Much is made of Seattle’s young starting pitching, deservedly so. The talent at the top does obscure a general lack of depth beyond their excellent front five, however. Emerson Hancock hasn’t shown much at the MLB level despite his billing as a former sixth overall pick. He has a 4.71 ERA with a 14.3% strikeout rate in 15 big league starts.
Hancock and soft-tossing lefty Jhonathan Diaz are the top depth options on the 40-man roster. The Mariners didn’t need to rely on either pitcher much in 2024. Their front five combined for all but 13 starts all season. Even if they bring back their entire rotation, it’s unlikely they’ll be quite so fortunate from an injury perspective. Trading Castillo would almost certainly necessitate a rotation acquisition, either in that trade or via subsequent free agent pickup. One need only look at how quickly the Marlins’ starting pitching has been depleted over the past two seasons as an example of the risk for teams in believing they have a rotation surplus. That’s no doubt a factor in Seattle’s general unwillingness to listen on their younger arms.
Gwynning
Can we finally bring our boy home, AJ?
Gwynning
And Happy Birthday Luis!
C Us Sink
What does he want for his birthday? A trade to a winning team!
Gwynning
Well then it’s settled, welcome back again to San Diego Luis!
momTurphy
He’s played on winning teams each of the last five seasons.
C Us Sink
Winning means playoffs and a championship.
Gwynning
Well, shoot… we’re out then.
Too.
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BronxBombers23
So he doesn’t wanna be traded to the Red Sox
Gwynning
Shots fired! Lol
deepseamonster32
That apparently doesn’t even include Texas, as playoffs is plural
Ziskmania
The M’s want to win….54% of the time.
Jbigz12
Preller wanted to sell this guy for peanuts at every turn!
deweybelongsinthehall
It depends. Since he was drafted, the Sox won in 28. He has yet to see the Yankees win a WS.
deweybelongsinthehall
’18.
Dbird777
Think the Pads are trying to get rid of salary, not take it on. Luis can come back to his real home, though, Cincy
Gwynning
We’ll see. I think AJ might rob Peter to pay Paul… Pads will be close to if not over the CBT line by the end of it. But we’ll see. There’s not much fat to trim.
kgcubs
Aloha Gwynning, I was confused for a moment! I remember my Giants friends so upset with the trade of Luis to Miami. But I remember there was that botched trade between Miami and your Padres. Good luck if SD can get him, workhorse type! Mahalo Nui!
Gwynning
Colin freaking Rea’s elbow popped and we had to trade Castillo back to South Beach…
Cheehoooo, what coulda been! Aloha kanaka
VegasSDfan
For 24 Million a year. With 3 years guaranteed NOPE…..
Braves_saints_celts
For the way he pitches and the contracts pitchers are getting, and you think it’s too much? I hope my braves go after him!
Selah Rick 2
You were hoping 3 years non-guaranteed?
JoeBrady
Can we finally bring our boy home, AJ?
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He’s $24 large. I don’t want him, so you can have him, but I see no way it happens.
bseblfevr
Give us a good hitter and he’s yours!
BronxBombers23
Castillo for Duran
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
In our dreams
Gwynning
Roberto Duran?
“¡No más!”
C Us Sink
Duran Duran
FatChance65
Only in an ordinary world
strange faces
I don’t understand why the Mariners don’t just keep him, other than he’s 32 and they have those younger arms. There are still some guys with power available on the free agent market.
metsin4
Do the twins need a starter? I guess the Twins could be upgraded to prevent the Yankees from making the playoffs.
momTurphy
Twins are too much of a financial mess to consider a contract like that right now.
ryrockak
Duran has more value than Casas
rondon
Castillo for Bellinger. A win for Seattle and Chicago.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Castillo has more value since Bellinger was an average player with a higher contract while Castillo was a slightly above average player with a slightly lower contract
But I would like to see Castillo and Bellinger (or hoerner) in a Chicago-Seattle trade
Led Hoyer
This makes so much sense for Chicago. Bellinger + for Castillo. Why they are trying to flip him to the Yankees for an another fringe pitcher, no clue.
hllywdjff
The mariners wish! But I’ll take it…
letitbelowenstein
More like Castillo and Woo for Duran.
Poolhalljunkies
Castillo for judge
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I’m all for trading Castillo so that we have a chance at walker or Alonso
No mention of Logan Evans? He’s not going to be ready by opening day of course but he could debut in September or if there’s an injury
C Us Sink
They are trading Castillo for salary relief, not to sign any other worthwhile players lol!
yeasties
The catch-22: The Mariners have to overpay to attract free agent hitters, but they aren’t willing to overpay on a free agent contract.
C Us Sink
Cano. That worked out well, shesh…
SodoMojo90
No, because they’re not gonna trade him for nothing. You would trade him for prospects for salary relief. That is not what they’ll be trading him for. He’ll only be moved if an impactful and proven bat is coming back.
C Us Sink
Maybe, but is Casas really that impactful?
BronxBombers23
Is Casas an impactful and proven bat?
SodoMojo90
I don’t see where I said Casas. And if multiple teams are calling, that means there might be a bidding war and I’m sure it’ll be a better bat than Casas coming back if that’s the case.
C Us Sink
Other than Casas, who would you like to see in return from Sox?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Would love to get wilyer abreu back from the Red Sox, Boston has a lot of outfielders and if abreu was in Seattle then he could platoon well with Robles (assuming Robles doesn’t play like a starter anymore and falls off)
SodoMojo90
Nobody. That’s why I wouldn’t trade with the Red Sox. Who said he hast to go to the Red Sox? He also has to waive his no trade clause. I don’t know who would waive it to go to the Red Sox. Also, the article clearly says that the Red Sox would likely not trade Casas for Castillo, so it might be a moot point anyways.
stymeedone
Since money is the issue, how about 2B Hao-Yu Lee and 3B Jace Jung for Castillo. Detroit can use a reliable starter to go with Skubal, and afford his contract. Neither going to Seattle is “proven”, but they would have almost the entirety of Castillo’s salary for upgrades as well.
Poolhalljunkies
Hes like judge lite
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Detroit already has a lot of capable starters
momTurphy
The pattern with Gilbert, Kirby, Hancock, Miller has been they dominate double A then come up in late April or early may the next year. As soon as there’s space then, I think Evans would be up.
chaneyb
Yep. The Mariners do not expose their best pitching prospects to the PCL, and it’s been that way for a while.
SodoMojo90
Smart. They don’t want them getting crushed and losing confidence. You send the hitters there though so they can work up some confidence.
proton
I am confused. You can’t hit in Seattle because of the marine layer. You can hit in Tacoma because the marine layer skips that BP? The marine layer is April and May then late Sept. A lot of the hitters that struggled here had their K rate go up walks go down. The marine layer does not affect that. I am not sure why the non existent marine layer would affect the ball in the summer months.
JoeBrady
I’m all for trading Castillo so that we have a chance at walker or Alonso
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I’ve been saying this all along. It makes no difference what anyone thinks of Castillo. He makes $24M and is basically their #5 pitcher.
Even if he is the best #5 in BB, you need the $24M for hitting. A big lumbering slugger in the middle of your lineup is exactly what you need.
just_thinkin
Orioles
SodoMojo90
Just let these teams get even more desperate and into a bidding war.
Gwynning
There’s a fine line this time of year since teams can pivot to a FA if a trade is proving difficult-ish…
SodoMojo90
if you’re willing to pay that amount and that player chooses to you. Available pitchers won’t be available the entire off-season so like I said you let them get more desperate. I don’t understand what’s hard to grasp about that. You wait until they’re signed and then the teams that missed out get desperate and offer more.
Gwynning
All true, I get it, just saying if you keep holding out then maybe all the chips are already off the table. It’s a fine line, Sodo!
SodoMojo90
There will be teams that need pitching always. It is true though that maybe those teams that need pitching at the end don’t have any player you want.
JoeBrady
You wait until they’re signed and then the teams that missed out get desperate and offer more.
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That’s a fine line. In my experience, players get slightly more desperate than owners do. Just for my RS, had they not traded for Crochet, Burnes would have a ton of leverage. Now the RS can sit back and wait. That will hurt his value.
proton
You won’t find a SP equal Castillo for talent and price in FA. Look at what they are getting for SPs. We also have a supplemental pick around 25 I think. Castillo and that pick could bring back a good player. Not that I would want to give up that pick. Would Castillo and that pick be enough for Casas?
momTurphy
35th(ish) pick. They’ve said they won’t trade that though. The combination of 3 and 35 makes both picks much more valuable.
Armaments216
Problem is the Mariners are trying to address immediate needs of their own – either as part of the trade return or by freeing up money. They’re as desperate as anyone else.
BronxBombers23
Mariners should ask for a lot, Red Sox are desperate.
C Us Sink
So are we. We still need almost an entire infield…yay for JP!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
If we were a functional franchise JP would also be gone too
I know he is by far not part of the problem but would he be a starter on the dodgers or Mets?
C Us Sink
He has a good glove but really struggled with the bat again. Hard to say. 2 years ago yes, last year no.
SodoMojo90
If last year’s JP shows back up, then it’s his last year here I think.
BronxBombers23
I think the Mariners have more options than the Red Sox.
C Us Sink
The Yankees.
Poolhalljunkies
Yes send them judge
azcm2511
Not any more….Crochet takes the desperation away. Castillo would be a nice pickup for the Sox but only if the return is reasonable. Abreu is a reasonable return straight up.
JoeBrady
Bronxbombers is just trolling. Castillo is okay, but he had an ERA+ of 101 last year. Bello was the worst of our starters, and he had an ERA+ of 95.
I agree we need a #2 type, but I’d rather use our farm for that.
I’d be surprised of Castillo was acquired for anything short of some lottery tickets.
proton
Abreu are you serious? You have no clue or being sarcastic.
azcm2511
and you are overrating Castillo. 32 Yrs old and declining numbers….what are you expecting in return…Soto? Get a clue.
ScoBoe
Really???
Castillo is younger and better than Yusei Kikuchi and Eovaldi.. Has a better track record then either..
Castillo $68.25MM in guarantees for his age 32-34 seasons. That’s probably a little less than what he’d make if he were a free agent this offseason. Castillo is more consistent than Yusei Kikuchi, who got $63MM going into his age-34 season. He has similar numbers to Nathan Eovaldi, who just inked a $75MM deal for ages 35-37.
Copy paste from previous MLBTR posting..
danumd87
Abreu is a platoon player with a limited skill set. He would be a reasonable second piece but certainly not the headliner. Red Sox fans are getting pretty funny on these pages, falling in love with every player in the organization regardless of reality.
azcm2511
Abreu was a second year player, won a gold glove and had limited ABs against lefties. He will improve with experience. Seems to me Ms fans are the ones overrating Castillo….he was great once, now he is a middle rotation guy on the downside of his career. Expecting a big haul is pretty unrealistic.
BadCo
Good luck because desperate ended two days ago.
Randall Charles
Castillo , Garver, Cole young
For
Isaac Paredes and Nico Hoerner
Sign Christian Walker
Arozerena for Wyler Abreu, and a #5-6 starter
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Uhh no young is our second baseman of the future and the cubs have zero reason to trade paredes
It would also be weird to move on from a cheap outfielder like Randy
Randall Charles
Uhh were you Impressed with Adam Frazier. Sounds similar to Cole young.Toolsy second baseman with little pop
Randy is almost not worth his contract. Next year he’ll be owed a lot more money and he would benefit from Fenway. Finish already mentioned he might get traded for salary relief
SodoMojo90
Doubtful they’re gonna trade Parades after they just acquired him and he does not profile well at T mobile. Too pull happy. Reportedly, that was the reason they didn’t make an offer for him during the trade deadline and went for Randy instead.
deepseamonster32
Willing to trade Castillo because Roki’s already got a deal worked out with Seattle.
Gwynning
Y’all gotta trade for Darvish first!
😉
deepseamonster32
Trade for Darvish, sign Roki, trade Darvish back
Gwynning
Did we just get rickrolled? Lol, good luck with Roki and in ’25 Seattle!
JoeBrady
Trade for Darvish, sign Roki, trade Darvish back
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Darvish will demand an extension before going back to SD.
deepseamonster32
Joe, that’s their problem
Gwynning
Oh you two… lol
BronxBombers23
Roki said to Keuchel that he wanna pitch for the Yankees…
Gwynning
…while he was wearing San Diego gear. The Roki Sweepstakes are real, and I have no idea where he’s going but I’m excited about SD’s possibility!
BronxBombers23
While he was wearing Yankees underwear.
Gwynning
Lol! I’m going to assume that is true as well?! Cheers BB
BronxBombers23
Tbh I think Padres chances are pretty good while Yankees chances aren’t. Would you really trade Cease if you land Sasaki?
Gwynning
No sir I would not, unless blown away by an offer that is! Rock a rotation with King, Cease, Darvish, Roki as your top 4 and I think the Pads are fine for ’25. The depth beyond the top 4 is almost sufficient now, but procuring one more arm is ideal. Love Vasquez, still warming to Brito. Live arm! Darkhorse for the 5 spot… people will say Waldron but I’m saying Hoeing. Longershot for the 5 spot, but think he’d do great- Morejon.
BronxBombers23
Yeah I wouldn’t trade Cease, even if I get Sasaki. Padres rotation would be great with Darvish, Sasaki, King and Cease. That Bogaerts contract scks.
stymeedone
Covering his Old English D butt tattoo!
JoeBrady
I’m excited about SD’s possibility!
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Anyone but the Yankees is okay with me.
proton
In a few years when I get too old and crap my pants regularly I want Yankees undies. Only thing they would be good for is to crap in.
TennVol
Hmm, what would a trade between the Jays and Mariners look like for Castillo? Barger, Loperfido and Perez from the minors? Perez is a fast moving Starting Pitcher who will be ready come 26.
SodoMojo90
He’s not gonna be traded for prospects/unproven bats.
BronxBombers23
I’m sure Mariners would trade him to the Red Sox for Mayer…
kylegocougs
Loperfido would probably interest them for sure. Maybe Loperfido and Bichette
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I told Jerry not to trade with the Jays to make them better. Jays are one of our arch-rivals. We came into the league together and their fans come down and invade Seattle every summer when the Jays play here. They even make us sing the Canadian national anthem which is not easy.
SodoMojo90
I’ve been to tons of games against the Jays here and never have been made once to sing the Canadian anthem. You can just sit your ass down during it if you want. No one makes you do anything. T-Mobile also accepts Canadian currency so they’re just literally inviting them down. They don’t even have to exchange their money. Ridiculous that it’s allowed.
BronxBombers23
Casas for one of Gilbert, Woo, Kirby or Miller is a pretty disrespectful offer…..
El Kabong
If Casas is the best Boston can offer for one of those starters, then the two teams aren’t a trade match.
JoeBrady
BB23 is just trolling. Casas for one of the core four is too little, but not off the charts.
The RS should move Casas or Abreu, and a good prospect that is below the level of the Elite Three.
azcm2511
Casas for Kirby or Gilbert is a stretch, but him even up for Miller or Woo is reasonable. Last season was lost for Casas because of the rib injury.
Zippy the Pinhead
Castillo, Haniger, Raley, the #30 draft choice (which is tradeable), and $12 million (to help offset the Haniger contract) to the Cubs for Matt Shaw (3B), Michael Busch (1B), and as much international pool money as you can get. Then use the cash to sign one of the Kims to play 2B and write the biggest check you can to Sasaki. If the Cubs make you take Bellinger instead of Busch for payroll reasons, that’s ok. Still ahead of the money game. But honestly, Jerry, your team shouldn’t have to penny-pinch when the profits are so huge.
SodoMojo90
I think every team is going offer Roki as much money as they can considering he can only make a certain amount and it’s not that much. He pretty much will get to choose wherever he wants to go. Let’s hope he loves Ichiro and it’s enough to get him. Huge Japanese community here in Seattle too. Would be a great city for him to choose.
Randall Charles
With mariners budget at $150million you can’t risk Castillo getting hurt. 23 million would be sunk limiting your budget to $127 million
Especially not with a great young pitching staff and a leader in Logan Gilbert
He’s better off with a team willing to spend more
Randall Charles
I’d rather roll out switch hitting great defense and had speed in 1B Tyler Locklear. at minimum as a platoon with Raley rather than trade for casas who’s injured with poor defense
Ziskmania
Locklear is a RH bat who has as much speed as Cal Raleigh
SodoMojo90
Where did you hear this nonsense?
Randall Charles
I watched every game with him on the mariners last year. He’s fast and has good speed fora big man similar to cal Raleigh
His defense was better than France or Turner in the short time it seen him he made great plays diving to his left. Good picks at 1st
Randall Charles
You’re right he’s a rhb. Wow I missed that. My apologies.
Well that’s even more reason to part with him then. He’s got easy power.
Also why does everyone thing cal Raleigh is slow. Our big men can move. Raley, Raleigh , Locklear for bed men can move
Remember when you were saying he could have Alonso power just last year? Funny how everyone changes tune once the player touches the big leagues. Prospects are like backup Quarterbacks
SodoMojo90
Trying to compare Raley’s speed with either of them is laughable. Not even close. If you watch Mariners games, you need to watch more closely. Raley has actual speed. Baseball savant shows Cal’s “speed”.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/cal-raleigh-6…
bloomquist4hof
What would Castillo get in this market? 4/100?
kylegocougs
I’d think that is the floor, especially without a QO. Maybe 5/150 max. He’s really healthy and dependable and it always looks like there should be some small tweak to put him on a CY path but it also feels like he’s healthy cause he’s cruising at 80% effort so he’s not really gonna suddenly explode.
Randall Charles
Sounds right to me
Gwynning
5/120? Somewhere close
JoeBrady
5 years at age 32?
Braves_saints_celts
Have you not seen the contracts being handed out?
BITA
Castillo has some value but it’s not a lot considering his contract. Similar to Andres Giminez they can get something for him and some salary relief.
Hackmanjones
Castillo for Casas, Payton Tolle, and Nelly Taylor.
Canzone, Locklear and Bliss for Arraez and Kash Mayfield
Emerson Hancock for Maikel Garcia
1st, 2nd, and 3rd taken care of and you should have plenty to sign Santana to DH and make a run at Sasaki and possibly a 6th starter on a short term deal. They add some more young arms for when they lose some in free agency. Get some club control at the corners and a guy that doesn’t strike out and can flat out hit
1. Robles RF
2. Arraez 2B
3. Julio CF
4. Raleigh C
5. Santana DH
6. Casas 1B
7. Arozarena LF
8. Garcia 3B
9. Crawford SS
SodoMojo90
I actually like this quite a bit.
TheGr8One
Ok you saw the part where Castillo for Casas was a non starter one for one right? You’ve chosen the wrong side that needs to add to it. Castillo is older with less control and costs more than “the big 4”. The mariners are adding to make that work.
Hackmanjones
I’ve heard that on both sides so what’s the actual truth? Castillo while i feel everyone is freaking out he’s 31 is still putting up fantastic numbers. Although his WAR a little less his numbers are very comparable to Crochet.
Bruin1012
From a Red Sox point of view lol. The Red Sox aren’t trading Casas straight up for Castillo let alone adding kickers.
Hackmanjones
Casas has only played 1 full season he’s not Ted Williams. Crochet and Castillo is a nice 1-2 at the top. FA pitching market is inflated. He’s better than most in the league much less anyone else available. Throw in Locklear and Luke Raley?
Randall Charles
Luke with Tyler Locklear? Luke has two great years and costs nothing why we trading him too.
Bruin1012
I’m not sayin Casas is Ted Williams but the reality is despite injuries despite uneven playing time due to injury he has slashed .250/..357/.473 for 125 wrc+. He has hit 42 homers in 717 career at bats this is despite the uneven playing time. We also saw what his peak can be when in 2023 he simply one of the best hitters in all of baseball in the second half.
We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if he was healthy last year and the only way I see the Red Sox trading him is for young cost controlled pitching. The Mariners aren’t getting him for Castillo who is a good but he’s not exactly cheap and while he does have soon extra value it’s not a ton. Casas has a lot of value. If he stays healthy which is my only concern with him a lot of teams are going to be kicking themselves to not get this guy when he was available. If he doesn’t stay healthy then his value will take a huge hit I’m willing to bet he stays healthy and puts up monster numbers this season. If I’m Breslow I only move Casas if someone is willing to part with controllable cost controlled young pitching otherwise nope.
Hackmanjones
For a sub 4 era and 200 innings he’s cheap. Peter Gammons basically just said Breslow is working tirelessly to get Castillo. However the Mariners are turning their attention to Cristian Walker. So if Boston is preparing to take his contract on it’s probably a debate over mlb ready prospects maybe some bullpen pieces? I don’t see anyone else Seattle could aquire from Boston realistically. I’d much rather see Walker on Seattle he profiles more what they value his defense is fantastic Casas is a butcher over there. I really want them to land Arraez offensively he’s what they’ve been wanting at the top of the order
JoeBrady
You won’t get Casas for Castillo.
bloomquist4hof
I think everyone is overestimating his actual trade value. It’s that he’s not good it’s that he already costs quite a bit relative to his value. I think the Mariners can get something but I really don’t think it’s a young cost controlled regular. If they can fetch thaf kind of value, then serious props to Jerry.
rottenboyfriend
I agree! Castillo is basically a 3 year free agent at over 70M and his performance will only diminish as the contract ages! Maybe worth a couple B level prospects but that would be it! Sign a FA pitcher and keep all your prospects!
bloomquist4hof
Desperation from another team might get them a little more than that at some point this off-season but it would still likely underwhelm the fan base. They could trade for another major leaguer that’s not quite as good but cheaper who and use the savings toward another player, or add prospects and involved a third team, or just keep Castillo and go another way to add.
Hackmanjones
33rd in all baseball in ERA 31st in innings pitched nearly 4 to 1 strikeout ratio. I think every team in baseball would take those diminished numbers. Especially if he was slotted in the middle of the rotation. He’s in the top 20% of MLB pitchers.
Hackmanjones
I’d prefer they didn’t get Casas. I’d rather they spend money and get Alonzo but their track record shows they prefer guys that are on rookie deals with years of club control
ColoradoRider
I don’t completely understand the fixation with Casas, so I just did a little shallow research on his injury history. Since turning pro in 2018, Casas has had four distinct trips onto the IR list:
2018 – Torn Ulnar Collateral Ligament
2022 – High Ankle Sprain
2023 – Right Shoulder Inflammation
2024 – Fractured Rib
While I believe that there is no central theme to these injuries, and that by and large they don’t really pose as indicators of future trips to the IL, I do believe that these are hallmarks of a player who regularly plays beyond his bodies ability to absorb the forces involved.
I have no other data to compare and contrast this information against, just a gut feel. Knowing this, I think that I can get behind some variation of a Castillo for Casas trade.
nasrd
Santana a much better defender than Casas who I extremely overrated on these discussions
Stevil
You would be taking out a bat that gave Seattle a 181 wRC+ the last two months of the season (129 on the year), putting a Gold-Glove first baseman at DH (who struggled against RHPs), and expecting a contending team to give up their third baseman for a starting pitcher reserve they don’t really need.
Hackmanjones
Fortunately my ideas aren’t etched in stone like the 10 commandments keep Raley input a player of your liking. If they land Walker having Santana is a bonus for days off and in case of injury. I suggested Garcia because he’s young and cheap just how the M’s prefer it and he’s athletic. Him, Robles, Arozarena, Julio would be a nightmare for other teams. He’s supposedly available since they acquired India and they need pitching. Hancock may not win a Cy Young award but I’m sure there’s plenty of teams that would take him as their number 5
Stevil
KC likely acquired India as an upgrade over Massey. He (India) hasn’t played 3B in 5 years. There was some talk about one of the two playing some left field as well. And I’d add that the Royals traded pitching to get him. They traded pitching because they had pitching to spare. I don’t think they’re shopping for rotation help.
I’m not buying the Walker rumors. They’d have to outbid teams like the Yankees, Astros, Nationals, etc. It doesn’t make sense when they have an in-house option that can give them 450 PAs. and have glaring holes elsewhere. I suppose Seattle could attempt to move Raley with the Mitches like the Kelenic/White/Gonzales trade last year, but that seems unlikely (and unwise).
Seattle isn’t keen on trading any single starter, yet alone two. They may end up moving Castillo to clear some salary, but if they do, they’ll need a replacement. They only have 6 legitimate starters. Most teams need 8-10 to get through a season.. Hancock has value as a legitimate starter who has options and can be stashed in Tacoma.
Santana is a fit as a platoon partner at 1B to face LHPs. But he probably wants a regular role and his value is limited facing RHPs. DHing just doesn’t make sense. Turner would be a better fit for that.
There’s a lot of work to do. Creating unnecessary holes by moving regulars and important depth pieces would only complicate things further, though we can probably expect surprises. with this front office.
TheGr8One
Luis Castillo will make approximately 400k more per year for the next 3 years than Luis Severino
Marinate a minute on that I’ll wait lol
Yes Seattle needs payroll flexibility but anyone thinking Castillo is on a “bad” contract is just flat out wrong based on the market. Making 2 million per less than Evoldi and I take Castillo over him and Severino all day twice a day 3 times on Sunday
stymeedone
Its not what he would go for compared to the market. Its that he’s too expensive for Seattle. They are the ones moving him because of his salary. Its not like moving an underwater contract, but it still limits the return, because everyone is aware.
TheGr8One
Read the headline of the article. Seattle TAKING calls. We don’t “need” to trade him at all but people calling about pitching and he’s the one available. Zero problem keeping him. He’s a number 1 on 8-10 teams in the league. Just happens that’s a number 3 in Seattle. Not taking any diminished returns for that.
Hackmanjones
It’s not that he’s got a bad contract but potentially the best one to move because it frees up money to add offense
nasrd
Agreed
First comment I’ve heard that is measured and reasonable
SadMsFan
Just watch Dipoto make a move worse than the one’s already suggested. Horrible GM. And for those of you who are Mariners fans and think that the Mariners trading one of our more controllable arms is a good idea are just stupid. I can live with trading Castillo, although he comes with a high price, but trading Gilbert, Kirby, Miller, or Woo, and then also trading Young or Montes who are going to be star players, is just ridiculous.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I’d like you for once to give us your evidence for why Jerry is such a horrible GM. You have an irrational hatred for the Mariners yet you call yourself a fan. You should think about changing your moniker. It is misleading and inaccurate like your knowledge of baseball.
rottenboyfriend
The bottom line is expecting to win the West with a combined payroll of 150M is not gonna get it done! Texas 240m, Houston 235M, Angels 230M, Oakland 125M. The Mariners would need to be at a minimum of 190M to compete and with arbitration for Kirby, Gilbert and Raleigh payroll will be over 200M to remain competitive 2026! Ownership either wants to win or they don’t? 150M is a pipe dream!
Stevil
None of those numbers are correct.
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total…
Stevil
What’s up with the insults? I hate the idea of trading a starter, but I can understand why fans are speculating. That’s half the fun during the offseason.
As far as trading prospects goes, we heard Dipoto talk-up Young and Locklear. Neither are MLB-ready, so nobody should be surprised if one, or both of them, get traded, and the odds of neither will become a star. Making definitive statements about unproven players is a good way to embarrass yourself.
How many hitters has Seattle developed over the last 10 years? We’ve seen a generational player in Julio. Apart from him there’s Cal, then….
Nobody.
I’m not a huge Dipoto fan, But give him credit for refusing to trade Julio in 2018 when everyone and their mothers were screaming for a deadline trade. He assembled a dominant rotation and the most recent hitter acquisitions have turned out well (Raley, Robles, Turner, and Arozarena). Calling him the worst GM simply isn’t fitting. He has work to do, and I have my reservations, but the situation could definitely be worse.
Why don’t you share some of your ideas like everyone else? Offering criticism is easy. Offering substance requires thought.
prf999
Oh yeah, Dipoto isn’t the GM…..it’s Justin Hollander
bloomquist4hof
He’s operating under Jerry’s direction to while Jerry isn’t the GM, Hollander is operating under Jerry’s plan and suspect Jerry is still directly involved in plenty of the decisions.
nasrd
No one with any baseball understanding would trade the young 4 starters. I quit reading when I see that mentioned
Freddie Morales
See Castillo being traded to Mets or Padres. McNeil, Megill, and a prospect for Castillo if deal with Mets.
Arraez for Castillo if deal with Padres
bloomquist4hof
People would freak if it’s Arraez for Castillo but maybe Arraez and some loose change might be close to his trade value. I think scarcity could work in their favor as pitchers drop off the board and they are holding a solid #2 starter who has been healthy, but they could just as easily overplay that angle.
This one belongs to the Reds
Castillo back home to Cincinnati. Seattle could get some prospects and young players. Both win.
hoof hearted
Don’t want prospect
Motor City Beach Bum
Send him and Arozarena to the Tigers for Tork, Jung (2B), Lee and some minor league pitching. Tork hit 30 HR the year before last.
beyou02215
Baltimore should be all over this. Not sure why they are just sitting on their hands.
letitbelowenstein
The O’s do this every year. Instead of addressing their obvious weakness. Pitching. They continue to sign home run hitters.
nasrd
I agree Baltimore doesn’t move aggressively enough. They could have made a better offer for Crotchett. So could the Mariners.
Randall Charles
Mullins and Mountcastle and a couple of pitching prospects? Not too exciting though. Everybody wants the headliner Mayo or Holliday
I bet Baltimore doesn’t want to chance getting stuck with a 4th year of Castillo too sense their as payroll cautious as the mariners.
Grogan’s Heroes
Casas and Mayer for Castillo and Kirby.
hoof hearted
Duh
sillywabbit
Kirby results in the negotiations ending. The 4 young starters aren’t available for trade.
nasrd
Oh my. I can never tell who is serious or just being goofy
saj
Cmon, Tony. Castillo is way better than Kikuchi, beside the plus consistency. 115 vs. (best case, generously skipping bad year) 105 the last few.
whyhayzee
The guy’s a horse. Not a bad pickup.
VermonsterSD
I say the Pads try to get Big Dumper since they need a catcher, and you know the M’s probably won’t pay him…….
SodoMojo90
It would cost a ton to trade for him.
Randall Charles
I bet we dump Castillo salary only to have the owners sit on most of it haha.
So all of this trade Castillo to reallocate funds is for nothing
Randall Charles
We’re keeping cal until his contract runs out in 3 years. You’ll get him at 31 just be patient.
Actually he has a new agent and will likely sign to age 34/35 with the mariners. He’s kinda a legend/clutch hitter here even though he hits .220
BigRedMachine
Unbelievable. Such an opportunity to have a great 2025 season with this Strong pitching staff if the ownership would just raise the amount they are willing to spend.. There may not be a better time, in a long time, to spend a little more than right now. Then you sign someone like Christian Walker, trade for Nico Hoerner, and spend a little more on a high leverage reliever and you have a pretty darn good team. . Right in front of you John Stanton and Chris larson. I unfortunately, cannot wish either of you a Happy Holidays.
nasrd
Agreed
They have a window and they are going to let it pass
C Us Sink
They have their window open while they pass gas?
hoof hearted
“He’s signed for three more seasons at $22.75MM annually”.
According to fangraph, he’s getting 24m+/yr.
As Jack reacher would say ” details matter “