The Guardians made a splash over the weekend by signing first baseman Carlos Santana to a one-year deal worth $12MM, bringing the long-time Cleveland staple back into the fold for the third time in his career. With that being said, however, it wasn’t the only contract offer Santana received during his free agency. According to a report from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic this morning, the Mariners extended an offer to Santana that came with more guaranteed money than the one he landed in Cleveland. Rosenthal also cited the Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Diamondbacks, and Rangers, and Padres among clubs that had interest in the switch-hitter before he ultimately landed in Cleveland.
Regarding Seattle’s offer, Rosenthal specifies that not only did the deal come with more guaranteed money, but it actually involved a player option for the 2026 season, allowing Santana to either opt out and return to free agency or remain with the club. It’s somewhat surprising to hear that a club was willing to guarantee a second guaranteed year to Santana, who will celebrate his 39th birthday in early April. Rosenthal describes the Mariners as Santana’s “initial priority” until the Guardians realized that they could trade Josh Naylor to another Santana suitor, the Diamondbacks. At that point, the Guardians offered Santana (who had coincidentally just sold his Cleveland area home) the one-year deal he went on to sign.
The Mariners briefly acquired Santana from the Phillies during the 2018-19 offseason but flipped him to Cleveland shortly thereafter, before he ever suited up for the club. He eventually returned to the organization in 2022 after being traded there by the Royals, and this time his stay lasted 79 games. In 294 trips to the plate for Seattle, Santana hit .192/.293/.400. Despite that sub-Mendoza Line batting average, Santana’s performance was actually good for an above-average 103 wRC+ thanks to a strong 11.9% walk rate and the 15 home runs he clobbered down the stretch for the club.
That half-season stint evidently made enough of an impression with the Mariners that they were interested in a reunion as they searched for first base help this winter. Earlier this winter, the Mariners were reportedly pursuing a reunion with either Carlos Santana or Justin Turner at first base. Turner is still available, though it’s unclear whether that interest on Seattle’s end has persisted as the first base market has shifted in recent days. Of the six teams besides Cleveland that Rosenthal noted had interest in Santana’s services, three of them have found solutions in the days since: the Rangers replaced Nathaniel Lowe with Joc Pederson, the Yankees signed Paul Goldschmidt, and of course the Diamondbacks traded for Naylor and opened the door for Santana to re-sign in Cleveland.
For the Mariners, Mets, and Padres, there’s still a number of interesting first base options available. Turner has been a reliably above average hitter 11 consecutive seasons now but celebrated his 40th birthday last month, a reality that could give some teams pause about committing to him as a regular option if they can’t offer significant time at DH as well. Pete Alonso is of course the top free agent available at first base, though barring a sudden change in plans by the Padres or Mariners it seems unlikely he would fit the budgets rumored to be in play for San Diego and Seattle. Anthony Rizzo, Mark Canha, Josh Bell, and Yuli Gurriel are among a number of veteran options at the position who could likely be had on a low-cost deal, and the trade market offers the possibility that the Giants could part ways with LaMonte Wade Jr. or perhaps even a deal with the Rays involving Yandy Diaz, who hasn’t been the subject of many trade rumors this winter but appeared to be available prior to this summer’s trade deadline.
uvmfiji
Could’ve had Lowe for a journeyman.
Can we please get a DH?
Doubt the Rangers would’ve traded in the division. M’s look like they are going to be stuck with Turner (but could easily see another team outbidding us).
Big whiffa
Then they could have had Naylor
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m not saying dealing for Casas is their best move but sometimes it has to hurt with what you give up (does anyone really think Boston wanted to part with those four prospects when they dealt with Chicago?).
Big whiffa
I do ! The price tag for the white sox pitcher was a blue chip prospect, which Boston had 3 of, and still do ! Breslow should be beside himself !
johncoltrane
How bad is seattle that he turned down millions of $ and a 2nd yr of playing time ?
Reynaldo's
The allure of returning “home” to Cleveland was more appealing.
SteamyNipsMcCronk
He had a home in the Cleveland area. Probably more about a better team and maintaining some normalcy for his family.
Cleveland as a city doesn’t even compare to Seattle. But, they do run a better baseball team.
sufferforsnakes
Cleveland as a city doesn’t even compare to Seattle? I’d rather spend time there (which I have, being a Buckeye) than in the toilet known as Seattle.
SteamyNipsMcCronk
I’ve been to both. You’re biased and that’s okay. But objectively, Seattle is streets ahead of Cleveland.
Van Lingle Mungo
You’ve never even been to either place. Stop believing right-wing talking points.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I don’t know a ton about Cleveland but what I do know is Seattle has been horrible in all the years I’ve lived there
When I go to say New Orleans or even San Diego they are a lot more enjoyable
CleaverGreene
Seattle is a toilet and that makes Cleveland a ??…..cesspool?Let me guess your main news source is Breitbart?
sfes
Let me guess what your next sentence was… are they eating the pets too?
tikiagedola
I bet you don’t believe left wing talking points
rct
“When I go to say New Orleans”
This is funny because any time I have been there it’s been worse than Seattle as far as crime and so many people there will tell you the same thing.
adb65
Sounds like someone has never even been to Seattle
the roche
I live in Seattle and it stinks. No culture, every fun is bought and branded or outlawed. Joy is a zero sum game to the old white landowners. A good time is an inconvenience to someone else. The lack of sun causes epidemic depression. Ask around.
Plus the Mariners are among MLBs worst teams. Horrible hitters park and stingy owners. They run the team for the margins, I worked for them.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
ESPN recently said we’re the 2nd worst franchise in baseball behind the angels
I personally think the pirates or marlins are worse since at least Moreno tries to spend (even though Moreno has no idea what he’s doing because he wants to be Jerry jones in Dallas)
NickTheDev
Not really, he sold the house the day before this happened.
getrealgone2
I’ve been to both and I am not from either city. Cleveland is pretty lame. Seattle is much cooler.
SteamyNipsMcCronk
@getgone same. Major cities that area very redlined (Cleveland, St. Louis, Pittsburgh) have downtowns that are just M-F 9-5 areas, that become ghost towns when work gets out. Also makes for a city you can’t really explore. Plus, public transport is basically non-existent.
Chester Copperpot
Seattle has buses that run all night! One of our bus drivers was just stabbed, but I’m sure it’s still a nice ride. Free second-hand meth too!
hockeyjohn
I was just in downtown Pittsburgh a few days ago and downtown at night was booming.
Pads Fans
Some people like snow that you measure in feet every winter.
Although I think Carlos probably goes back to the DR when baseball season is over.
Melchez17
Guardians have a much hitter friendlier park, easier path to the playoffs, and he has a longer history there.
longjuansilvers
The Athletic reported this morning that the day before he signed with Cleveland he actually signed the papers to sell his Cleveland home. Wonder how that’s sitting with him lol
kylegocougs
I’m sure it was like 8 in the first year and 10 in the second so a lesser offer
C Us Sink
Must be pretty bad…
rct
Seattle the city or Seattle the team? Santana is 39 and if he wants to compete for a World Series, Cleveland is probably the better option. He’s played in both places and could make an informed decision.
SODOMOJO
Yeah it’s really not rocket science. If Naylor stays in CLE, I bet you he comes back to Seattle. Alas, the market played out and he got his preferred destination that has more sentimental and competitive value right now.
GO1962
If I were a player and I had a choice between Cleveland and Seattle, I would choose Cleveland hands down unless Seattle offered a massive overpay. The travel to and from Cleveland to other MLB cities is what gives Cleveland the advantage. Seattle is at least a 2 hour flight from their closest MLB city, Sacramento. I believe that is a reason the Mariners have yet to appear in a World Series, despite being in existence since the 1977 season.
CO Guardening
Ooh! I’ve been to Cleveland AND Seattle. Can I chime in too?
Tom the ray fan
WHOSE FABIO
SODOMOJO
Good lookin kid, good face
Bill M
Who’s High Pitch?
Dorn’s Contract
This is Kelly Clarkson
Rsox
A Shortstop, a Shortstop with Seattle…
Reynaldo's
Ehh, nobody should lose sleep over this. Santana’s 2 months in Seattle in 2022 was abysmal, and I’d rather see Tyler Locklear get a chance there. Time for Seattle to spend that money elsewhere on another target.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I think he simply wanted to go back to Cleveland. He had a house there that he apparently sold RIGHT before the Guardians hit him up and broached the subject but the house has been empty for over 5 years. Maybe they’ve offered him an in- house position one he decides to retire. I have to think the Yanks and others have made good offers that were just as good if not better than the Guardians.
Salzilla
I think the dude most likely just wants to end his career where it began. Can’t fault him for that. Unless he keeps playing, but I mean it’s gotta be close either way.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I wonder how @dankyank feels about this revelation. Maybe the Yabkees should’ve offered Santana three years. /s
Salzilla
I try not to wonder about dank at all…
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I wonder how much it was for or if he just disliked playing in Seattle so much that no deal was worth it unless it was insane money- which I doubt this offer was.
Probably like 2 years/$18M or something like that.
Gwynning
Probably something like that, and probably with the bulk of it in the Player Option.
Stevil
It was clear in Rosenthal’s article that Seattle was the priority before Cleveland came calling, and that says more about his history with Cleveland.
all in the suit that you wear
True or False: The M’s need to add offense or 2025 will likely be a repeat of 2024. I think it is true, but I don’t follow the M’s in depth.
bob9988 2
False. Arozarena wasn’t here all year and neither was Robles. Crawford, Julio and Garver are unlikely to be SO bad again. But filling in 1B/3B REALY can raise the floor.
C Us Sink
PASS
Gwynning
D. All the above
Chicken In Philly?
I’d say true. Robles showed a side of him we haven’t seen since his rookie year, and he’s never put it all together over the course of an entire season. Arozarana also had a down year and playing half his games in Seattle isn’t going to bring his power numbers back up. They absolutely need a platoon bat to go with Raley, or they should be signing a power hitter like Alonso.
Big whiffa
Def true ! It takes the right combination of talent to win in their ballpark and Seattle has never had that. Kinda like how it all came together for SD last year and their lineup. Seattle needs that or they’ll never pull ahead in the division
A run prevention park can be a good thing if utilized properly! Seattle needs Alonzo. Low K rate, decent average will play well with dip in homers
momTurphy
The trouble the mariners have in adding is that they also have a group of Cole Young, Colt Emerson, Laz Montes, Harry Ford and Michael Arroyo who are all getting to the point of debuting in the next year or so. So as much as spending on a big name might help, a 7-8 year deal to Bregman (for example) feels silly with Colt Emerson the 3B heir apparent by 2026.
So it’s adding guys cheap enough or short enough that they retain roster flexibility that prioritizes their minor league development. (And also Julio Rodriguez had an OPS of .600 vs teams with a record at or above .500, if he doesn’t start helping instead of just padding stats vs bad teams, they’re in a lot of trouble).
tikiagedola
Bs. Everyone wants to play in Seattle. Best fans, politics, highly diverse
sillywabbit
Wrong; worst hitting ballpark in all of MLB.
sufferforsnakes
That’s an odd way to describe a city whose policies have led to junkies living on the sidewalks.
sillywabbit
And they keep voting in politicians who share the same ideology & expect different results. They will never learn.
kylegocougs
Every American city has junkies living on the side walks
getrealgone2
Sshhhhh stop brining up facts.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Kyle
Miami Beach? I can honestly say you can roam the streets at night and find maybe 10. Miami? They’re are areas where you can find 100 ppl tented up. Miami Beach. Democrats. Miami? Republican. Governor? Republican. So it’s not every area of the confetti that’s blue making bad decisions or poor results. It’s can be any red state too. But the problem isn’t just a Dem/Rep problem. We have a homeless problem as well as a drug problem. Just a matter of are they incarcerated or homeless. Neither is a viable solution.
SodoMojo90
Politics? That’s hilarious.
NYCityRiddler
Why in the hell would Santana -or anyone for that matter- want to play in Seattle? I can’t decide which is worse, the team or the city. Ahahahaha!
sillywabbit
It’s now crime ridden & overrun with homeless encampments. The downtown business have been struggling since COVID remote work & the increase in crime.
kellin
@silly is it? That’s a shame. Was hoping it would have been cleaned up in the last few years since I visited.
Stark difference pre and post-pandemic. City was nice when we were there in 2018, and it was really sad how bad it had gotten when we returned in 2022.
C Us Sink
They conveniently cleaned it up briefly for the All Star Game. Now it’s back to hell on earth…
SodoMojo90
The city really has gone to hell.
Blue Baron
sillywabbit: Have you actually spent time in Seattle? I spent a weekend there in August. I watched a Giants-Mariners series at T-Mobile Park, visited Pike Place Market, and took a harbor tour.
I walked around downtown a lot and felt quite safe.
Don’t judge a place based on media hyperbole.
El Kabong
That hyperbole doesn’t come from legitimate media sources.
yeasties
That view is from long time locals, and is really relative to how Seattle used to be. Seattle used to be very clean and neat compared to other cities. No homeless or graffiti problems, the cops were on the job. Now, it’s just like other cities. Police emasculated. I live in the area and never go downtown anymore, it’s a total mess.
El Kabong
Emasculated? Oh, brother.
Blue Baron
yeasties: I stayed in the middle of downtown and loved it.
sillywabbit
Yes, I lived on Capital Hill. I still visit.
Blue Baron
sillywabbit: Then why are you badmouthing it?
Enrico Pallazzo
Yeah Seattle is a city and it’s for sure got city problems. Same as most of the cities that have an MLB team. Now the team and the ownership, that’s another story. So much wasted potential.
Gwynning
“Hey, it’s Enrico Pallazzo!!!”
Well said homie, Happy Holidays everybody
PrincessYuki
Maybe Macklemore’s comments turned him off. They made me wonder if Seattle deserves the Mariners anymore. Obviously the Mariners aren’t going anywhere. 4 straight winning seasons. Best starting rotation in baseball. Only need a major ready first baseman and third baseman to make a world series run, so guaranteed to be a 5th straight in 2025.
notagain27
One of the main reasons players don’t like playing in Seattle is the travel. Mariners spend much more time on a plane than the rest of the league, those miles add up.
Big whiffa
Yeah but just think of the travel rewards ; D
dankyank
My questions are:
-What was the dollar amount of the Mariners’ offer? I think there’s a good chance they tried to low-ball him with $15 million or less given their $16 million offseason budget.
– Would Santana be willing to accept two years, $20-22 million from another team?
With all due respect, I think the article furthers the narrative of limited interest in Santana, which has been a trend for the past few offseasons. He had talks with several organizations and a grand total of two reported contract offers, including the one he took.
In any event, Santana as a clubhouse leader for an ascendant seems like a natural. Having him return to break Cleveland’s curse would be a great story for the league.
dankyank
*Ascendant Guardians team.
LDilbert
2/15 million sounds about right. They look for players to come hat in hand
Pads Fans
Just goes to show that winning and not having to hit in T-Mobile Park was more important than money.
top jimmy
I think he knows playing in Seattle hurt his numbers. That is a pitcher’s park. He also had to play a lot of games in Oakland and Anaheim. I expect his power numbers to improve this year.
Melchez17
How long has Carlos Santana been in baseball? He was traded for Casey Blake.
Poolhalljunkies
I would imagine with the bhueler signing any chance of casas to the Ms dried up
RotiniRick
I’m a professional photographer and spent 14 days photographing 3rd street and the characters that roam it. I never felt threatened or endangered necessarily but I also wouldn’t go back and was a bit relieved when the project was over.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
How was it compared to other cities you had to photograph though? I’m glad to hear you weren’t endangered but what were the aspects of the city that make you not want to go back? I’ve lived in the Pacific Northwest my whole life (4 years in Seattle) so this was sad to hear.
Rsox
I think eventually the M’s end up with either Rizzo or Bell with the other going to the Padres
Gwynning
I thought the same to myself earlier… and honestly, I’d welcome either player back to San Diego! I think both would serve well in ’25. We’ll see.
Stevil
Why would they target players that bat left-handed (Bell’s better as a LHH) when they have Raley?
They just need a RHH to platoon with Raley.
Rsox
Bell is a Switch Hitter like Santana and they targeted Santana so they aren’t completely sold on Raley either
Stevil
I know, which is why I noted Bell is better from the left side.
Santana is better from the right side. He made sense as a platoon partner for Raley. Then there’s the defense. Santana has it. Bell…
Neither Rizzo or Bell make much sense for the Mariners. Turner still fits, even Profar fits as a fourth outfielder & DH.
ck420
We’re gonna miss the playoffs by one game again in 2025. It’s groundhog day for Seattle fans.
1999 MLB All Star MVP
Jeff McNeil & Mark Vientos for Masataka Yoshida & Zack Kelly. This would be a win win!
The Red Sox can move Devers to DH, play McNeil at 2B & play Vientos at 3B.
The Mets can resign Pete Alonso (if it’s not broken, why fix it) and then sign Alex Bregman. That lineup can beat the Dodgers in the playoffs!
Rsox
Middle Infielders is the one thing the Sox don’t need so McNeil may not be a fit.
While the Mets did not defer any of Soto’s money they just deferred three quarters of Manaea’s so i don’t know that Alonso AND Bregman are possible, probably either/or is more likely
JackStrawb
Yeah, add to one of the oldest teams in baseball two corner guys in their 30s for 5-7 year deals, one of whom was barely worth a lineup slot in 2024.
What could possibly go wrong?
Gwynning
Here’s hoping my ’24 prediction of a Seattle vs. San Diego WS rings true for ’25… in this case, I wouldn’t be upset being off by a year! To whomever reads this: have a wonderful, safe and happy holiday season.
Rsox
As things stand right now that prediction may be an Eggnog fueled fever dream but nonetheless Happy Holidays Gwynning!
Primitive Screwhead
No one is going to sign in Seattle if they can at all help it. No one on the Mariners will extend with the Mariners if they can at all help it.
The org has a bad rep with players, and the entire world sees what chiselers the owners are. They said they’d spend when the window came, and it’s here, has been here for two years, and they’ve done nothing. Stanton is a liar and I pray he sells the team to someone who wants to win.
DanzigInTheDark
Carlos! Quick! Cancel the sale!