December 6: Jesse Rogers of ESPN followed up with Manfred about the golden at-bat idea. The commissioner emphasized that there’s “a very long road” from an idea being considered before it can be implemented and that he’s not personally in favor of the change, though he does encourage things like this to be discussed.
December 2: MLB hasn’t shied away from considering rule changes over the past few seasons. The league has unilaterally implemented a pitch clock, a three-batter minimum for pitchers (barring injury), shift limitations, and incentivized base stealing with pickoff limits and larger bases. MLB and the Players Association also agreed to implement a universal designated hitter in the 2022 collective bargaining agreement.
That hasn’t dissuaded commissioner Rob Manfred from considering other changes. Perhaps the most extreme suggestion that the commissioner has publicly floated would be the possibility of implementing a “golden at-bat” rule. Jayson Stark of The Athletic published a lengthy piece on Monday detailing potential variations of that concept.
At its core, the golden at-bat idea is to allow a team one opportunity to call upon a hitter who is in the lineup but not due for the upcoming at-bat. It’d be somewhat akin to pinch hitting with a player who is already in the game. As Stark notes, the rule could be narrowed to limit when teams could use the golden at-bat (e.g. after a certain inning, only when they’re trailing, etc.)
In October, Manfred suggested there could be some support within the league for exploring that concept. In an appearance on The Varsity podcast with Puck’s John Ourand (X link), Manfred said at the time “there was a little buzz around” the concept at a recent owners meeting. The commissioner said that idea is “in the conversation-only stage right now.”
It’s worth stressing that there’s nothing to suggest MLB has any plans to test this idea. There’s a significant gap between it surfacing in casual conversation and its appearance in any of Spring Training, the minors, or at the All-Star Game — much less in meaningful MLB contests.
The purpose would be to increase the number of high-leverage plate appearances that go to top hitters. That’d create more drama in close games, but it’d be a radical change to the sport. The fixed nature of the batting order often leaves huge at-bats in the hands of less heralded players. One could argue that’s a flaw in comparison to other sports where teams can choose to turn the ball to their stars when games are on the line. At the same time, many of baseball’s most magical moments come when players at the bottom of the order rise to the occasion with key hits.
While implementing one golden at-bat wouldn’t entirely eliminate those opportunities, it’d reduce them. It’s also an inherently artificial measure that’d represent a fundamental change from the way baseball has been played throughout its history. That’s arguably true of some other recent rule adjustments, but the golden at-bat would probably have a much bigger effect than any of the other changes.
Stark’s column goes into much more detail about the strategy implications that would be at play, as well as concerns about tradition and inflated record totals that’d come with allowing teams to give their best hitter an extra at-bat every game. Stark speaks with players, front office personnel, and longtime skipper Joe Maddon (many of whom express their disapproval for the concept) about the idea in a piece that’s worth a full read.
good vibes only
What a freaking joke.
I’m going to bed.
towinagain
The “Ohtani” rule.
Come on MLB?!
Can you be anymore obvious?!
deweybelongsinthehall
Is it April Fool’s Day already? Winter wasn’t so bad and who signed Soto?
BPax
Here’s how it could be implemented. The Golden at Bat hitter would have to have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. Plus, he must have had a minimum of 15 at bats in the previous 5 games unless one of those games was a double header due to a rainout. He will be chosen by putting no less than five players numbers in a hat to be drawn by the Homeplate umpire. The hitter then starts with a 1 ball-1 strike count unless the bases are loaded and then he starts with 3 ball-0 strike count. The defense must shift with all 7 fielders standing no less that 7 feet from third base. (Or first if the hitter bats left-handed.) For a fee, spectators will have a betting device in their hands. If you bet that the hitter gets a hit, strikes out, etc. and you win, there will be a brief ceremony on the field where the fan gets his/her logo windbreaker or hat and their face on the Jumbotron. This all designed to create excitement!
(Addendum: Manfred, bad idea. Leave the game alone.)
Pete'sView
BPax — Right you are!
Manfred is a clown who only cares about money, has no heart or respect for the game. This new idea of his is gross, has nothing at all to do with the history or beauty of the game.
His (and the Owners’) shamelessness is on display and it’s disgusting.
BlueSkies_LA
I am shocked — shocked! to find capitalism going on in baseball!
Arnold Ziffel
This is just stupid, what is next a 2 platoon system? Leave the game alone idiots,
VegasSDfan
Ohtani looked like a statue during the playoffs.
LA Deferrals
Ohtani’s 3 run HR off Cease potentially prevented a SD sweep over the Dodgers. There is no Freddie Freeman walkoff HR if Ohtani doesn’t hit a double off Kahnle in the 8th and gets to 3B with heads up baserunning to tie the game on a Betts sac fly.
The only statue I saw was 24 innings of 0 runs for the Padres.
Dumpster Divin Theo
A statue perhaps but of unlimitations
MLBtheSho(hei)
Came here to say the same LA Deferrals. Well said, I’ll take Ohtani’s “statue” over the choke job the Padres pulled. Couldn’t score a run in a Dodger bullpen game. Manny Machoke and the boys didn’t do anything when they had the Dodgers on the ropes
Dumpster Divin Theo
The Dodgers should erect a 24 inning of 0 runs statue honoring the Padres and erecting it over the 5 or 405 facing San Diego. Could be like the Statue of Liberty with an amended logo: “give me your tired, your poor, your 0 for 4s”
Padre Rob
LA Deferrals: I’ve got to agree on all points.
thrasher77
@LA Deferrals….shoulda woulda coulda. ✌️
Bivouac-Sal
A statue with a world championship.
DODGER JR
Yet he will get something your Pudres didn’t and that’s a WS Championship ring. Remind us Vegas how many rings the Puds have over 55 plus years? It won’t take long.
Arnold Ziffel
To quote the late Pete Rose: “I wish I had an interpreter.”
Fever Pitch Guy
Tow – When Manfred finally retires he will pull off his mask to reveal he is actually Vince McMahon.
Dogbone
Yep, the rich and well off franchises, will get richer! Money and greed, sure has a way of surfacing, sooner or later.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Fever
Vince McMahaon has more respect for the traditions and history of pro wrestling than Manfred has for baseball.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Or Ed McMahon
SoCalBrave
Hi-yo!
LordShade
McMahon literally made his career breaking every pro wrestling tradition ever.
Fred2023
Got that right. How many more stupid ideas can Manfred float before the owners find someone who likes baseball to replace him?
good vibes only
Pretty sure the owners are where all these dumb ideas come from. It’s not Manfred himself would be my guess.
dasit
that why it’s a funny post
Ragnarok
Yeah. Manfred is the public figure that takes a beating while collecting his fat salary to do the owner’s bidding.
He’s not suggesting what the majority of owners don’t want
unpaidobserver
Vince McMahon has more respect for women than Manfred has for the traditions of baseball.
17dizzy
What an Idiot!!!
For the Head of MLB to propose or even consider anything such as this is CRAZY!!!
uvmfiji
One guy is allowed to place a bet at the end of every game?
twentyfivemanroster
Sponsored by the New York Yankees and the Los Angeles Angels
Low IQ Angels Management
@twentyfive – Nahhh, the Angels don’t have one batter, that I could think of, in their organization that would qualify for the “Golden at Bat”. And don’t say Trout, we know he’s done. Put a fork in that entire roster until the team is sold to a competent owner who hires competent management.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Completely agree good vibes
This rule would do nothing good and only make teams that should’ve won games lose games because the Yankees call up Aaron judge or the dodgers call up shohei ohtani for the last at bat
Dogbone
I definitely remember when boob Manfred, err I mean Rob Manfred was first named commissioner. He said as long as he’s commissioner that robo ump would never happen in baseball.
Guess what?
Arnold Ziffel
To quote John McEnroe , “You cannot be serious!!!” Whoever came up wit this must be on crack.
RyanD44
No. Absolutely not.
I’d rather they shorten the lineup to 7-8 hitters instead of this dumb concept.
mahalkita
I actually like that. Get rid of the DH and just have no batter for the pitcher’s spot.
bigalcathey
I think the players union might argue against that.
dm867
You know, I’ve never thought of that. Interesting….
Damn Yankee$
How about they also adopt the old MTV softball game eight ball?
Goku the Knowledgable One
It’s a terrible idea , but I guess it could be OK for extra innings only
I’d rather for something like this be one pinch hit at-bat where the the replaced player isn’t removed from the game.
So instead of this drastic shenanigans, it could help get guys ABs and give more starts to fielding specialists who could get spotted one AB from the bench
unpaidobserver
Is rather they just leave the game of baseball alone and do what makes more sense like contracting to 24 teams and making working up through the minor leagues something that pays instead of costs players.
Goku the Knowledgable One
I agree with the first part, which is why the change I suggested was pretty minimal to get the bench bats some extra swings and cause some excitement when (the fans think a crappy catcher or SS is coming up to bat and) the free pinch hit is cashed-in.
Could see that being cool without changing a ton like the proposed golden at bat would
I personally like the new extra innings rule and the pitch clock. A lot actually. Not all change is bad.
On your second point.
I have no clue what you mean by reducing to 24 and am not aware of the minor league costs, but I do know a lot of minor league rosters are filled out with guys making 60k with the mutual understanding that they’re probably not going to get a call up to bigs.
junior25
Dumbest idea ever
C Yards Jeff
Under this regime, to me, it’s just the next dumb idea floated out there that will probably become reality. Sad.
This business should change it’s name from MLB to HMLB (Hybrid Major League Baseball)
Fever Pitch Guy
Jeff – Quite possibly Theo came up with the idea, he’s been involved in rules changes and I believe is credited with the pitch clock.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Question,
Do you not like the pitch clock and extra innings rules?
I personally like both a lot
Manfred messed up playoffs really bad. That everyone agrees.
but for the heat he’s taken, he’s made some solid (and necessary changes) to pacing and game length
Fever Pitch Guy
Gok – I am neutral on the pitch clock. It’s nice to have the faster pace, but I wouldn’t want big games to be decided by rules violations.
I absolutely hate the ghost runner. The fact it’s used only in the regular season but not in the postseason is all you need to know.
You know Manfred can’t pass any rule changes without ownership support, right?
Goku the Knowledgable One
The ghost runner is exactly like the shootout in hockey , which also isn’t in effect for playoffs
I see no issue with it.
Doc666
Dumbest idea so far
sufferforsnakes
Nah, him be elected commissioner in the first place is the dumbest idea.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Other than playoff format, I like most of his changes.
Fixed pacing, brought upon the universal DH and revamped the minor league stadiums
This golden at bat idea is horrendous tho, but there could be a variant of it that’s cool and increases run support.
Redstitch108* 2
Horrible idea from a horrible Commissioner.
Blue Baron
Bud Selig was much worse just for inciting the 1994-95 strike and trying to bust the MLBPA.
RedFraggle
Cool. That has no bearing on Manfred sucking.
chiefnocahoma1
Manfred is worse.
Not a clever name
@ blue baron, Thanks for commenting Rob, please read all the other comments and see what we all think of your golden bat rule.
Blue Baron
Not a clever name: Trust me, Manfred isn’t coming on here.
Raymond Flagstaff
Yet he knows what we’re saying
bootsday29
Blame that on The Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf
VegasSDfan
Babseball is doing well in markets that spend.
Giants 2024
The Mets haven’t won a WS since 1986. The Yankees have one WS win since 2000. Angels spend a ton and can’t even get a winning season. Not a true statement
Blue Baron
Giants 2024: Thanks Captain Obvious.
Dogbone
And what should we call the Marlins and Tampa and A’s – teams like that? Maybe lump them in a division called ‘Washington Generals’?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Babseball, you referring to softball?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Great innovation. Also the five run HR shot but only after the 7th inning like the MTV rock n jock special ball.
halosfan5710
Or anything over 475 feet. Or if you call the shot you get an extra run added on
Dumpster Divin Theo
But an automatic end of inning if you call it and it goes the wrong direction over a different wall. Like dirty pool, can’t have it both ways.
Fever Pitch Guy
Halos – Don’t forget the name change from MLB to XBL .. Extreme Baseball League, coming to a major stadium or AAA park near you!
mahalkita
Maybe for expansion they can add the Savannah Bananas as an MLB team.
Bobcastelliniscat
I wonder what “He Hate Me” is doing these days?
YourDreamGM
I love it. For dramatics though the bat should be painted gold. Maybe even have to wear a gold helmet and cape. Play some music with light show.
They can do something with pitching as well. Uh oh. Here comes the money ball. Just a single strike and it counts as 3!
No more extra innings. Games will be decided by hr derby!
Skyrider123
So basically the Savannah Bananas!!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Gold helmet and cape? That’s Flash Gordon. The world is becoming more like Ted every moment.
DS1
Leave the game alone!!
orange2001
Too late. Manfred has done too much damage.
BlueSkies_LA
Too late, the DH and analytics did already.
Braves_saints_celts
Aren’t you a dodger fan? You think the universal dh has done too much damage to baseball? If that was the case ohtani wouldn’t be able to dh. He’s too important as a pitcher and a hitter to limit him to one or the other. I personally like the universal dh even though a lot don’t for some reason. Even as a braves fan, I’d rather watch ohtani hit 40-50 bombs a year than watch a non-hitting pitcher have like 1 or 2 hits and strike out 100 times a year. Plus it limits a pitcher coming down with a freak injury while hitting or on the base paths. I will admit though that I’ll always remember Huascar ynoa’s couple of home runs he hit a few years ago and Max fried’s walk off hit the last year of pitchers hitting in the NL. And who can ever forget bartolo Colon’s home run in San Diego? But that’s my point he finally hit that home run after over a decade of nothing but striking out.
BlueSkies_LA
I’m a baseball fan. I see this “golden at-bat” idea as simply the sad but logical extension of the DH, and you haven’t exactly proven me wrong.
Braves_saints_celts
Im against the golden at bat rule, I think it is utterly stupid. and nothing I said was trying to “prove you wrong” I didn’t realize I was getting argumentative with you, merely conversating. And it isn’t an extension of the dh, it’s basically eliminating the pinch hitter. Which I’m also against. I’m also against the ghost runner. I’m against robot umpires too. If they want to implement something like that, just allow replays on balls and strikes, but it can only be allowed in crucial times of the game like 7th inning and up when the difference of the game is only like one run, or up to 3 runs if runners are on base and the challenging team is behind. I like human interaction in the game and it’s always been like that and shouldn’t change in my opinion. The one rule I am happy with is the universal dh. That’s about the only rule I like. Base running rules I’m 50/50 on. I do like the limited pick off attempts because who likes watching a pitcher throw over 5 times during an at bat? But the bigger bases I don’t like. Speedy players will steal bases regardless and I don’t like the fact that catchers have to be dang near elite to throw out if they’re even lucky 20% of base stealers. back in 2023 Freddie Freeman had no business stealing 23 bases and would have never done so had the bases not been bigger which Gave him and others an advantage over catchers the game has never seen before.
THEY LIVE!!!
I used to be against the DH in the National League. I still think pitchers should hit for themselves. As a compromise I’d suggest the DH hit for any other player but the pitcher. Fans shouldn’t have to watch players like Austin Barnes or Chris Taylor or Kevin Kiermaier waste at bats. The strategy of pinch hitting has been removed from the game.
Ben T
So the answer is watching pitchers hit? It’s miserable. The game is better with the DH.
PhilliesBob1980
Thank you.
THEY LIVE!!!
You’re welcome PhilliesBob
revolver
CardsFan57
I was against the DH but wanted it in both leagues if it was going to exist.
Giants 2024
Hopefully the trend to not rely on analytics so much builds steam. It nearly killed the game
BlueSkies_LA
So the answer is seeing a light-hitting infielder come to the plate in a game-critical AB? By your own argument, the game would be better with the golden AB.
You are welcome to try to make a consist argument for the DH and against the golden AB. Good luck!
Braves_saints_celts
The difference between that light hitting infielder and a pitcher is the light hitting infielder can still hit .230 have a few home runs and 20-30 RBIs this meanwhile the pitcher comes to the plate and 9 times out of 10 strikes out. The pitcher would hit .090 on the year with 2 RBIs and 100 strikeouts. Considering pitchers haven’t hit in 3 years now it would be stupid to make them try to learn to do it again. The results would be even worse than before they got rid of it. There is the consistent argument you were asking for. now say something that actually makes sense.
BlueSkies_LA
A distinction without a difference. The purpose of the DH and the golden AB is to increase offense, pure and simple. They have absolutely no other purpose that you or anyone else can name. I also never saw a pitcher with a 90% strikeout rate, so this is just a fabricated argument. Lots of pitchers could hit just as well as any defensive specialist, and they also worked on their productive out skills. Further, pitchers when they still batted, typically came to the plate, at most, three times in game. I also said nothing about reinstating pitcher batting, so that’s another irrelevant argument.
Well, you failed, but at least you tried.
Braves_saints_celts
See now you are flip flopping. You say how the universal dh damaged baseball, and you argue for every reason not to have it and to let pitchers hit, then say you aren’t arguing for it to be reinstated. Well nothing you said indicates that, and as much as you try to stay neutral you’ve chosen the side you want to represent. There isn’t anything wrong with that, but to say that pitchers can hit as well defensive specialists who still have to practice to hit everyday while pitchers do not, is asinine. I’d rather have a .230 defensive specialist hit over a .090 pitcher. And late in the game replace that defensive specialist with a pinch hitter. No need for a golden at bat, which again is not and will never be an extension of the dh just because it makes for more excitement and offense. What it will do is replace the pinch hitter and that is something that I have said I’m not at all in favor of.
BlueSkies_LA
No, I am being perfectly consistent. I have not argued word one against allowing pitchers to hit. In fact, just the opposite. I can hardly imagine how you missed that. I also argued that loving the DH and hating this proposed golden AB is logically inconsistent, which obviously it is since they both serve exactly the same purpose. Deal with that, why don’t you?
Now you are just spitting out words. I liked it better when you were trying.
THEY LIVE!!!
The Golden Bat idea is the result of hypoxia and “long Covid”. It came from golden bats from China.
THEY LIVE!!!
@BlueSkies Who are you responding to?
Braves_saints_celts
You literally bring nothing to the table except starting an argument that you can’t finish. You talk about me “trying” but do nothing more than a bad troll job indicating the dh damaged baseball, and argued for pitchers to hit and why they should, then say you don’t want it to change back to the way it was. Then you try to say it’s an extension of the dh and try to make it seem like I am in favor of it when I said numerous times I am not. Stop trolling and either have a productive argument, one that I didn’t even start, but called me out for no reason other than trying to conversate. And stop flip flopping. Either you want the dh or you don’t. If you don’t then no reason to argue for every reason a pitcher should hit and how it damaged baseball. And I will say it again, again for those deaf ears of yours… I am against the golden at bat, and it is not an extension of the dh just because it may add more offense to a game. What it will do is eliminate the pinch hitter late in games. And do the math dumb dumb, who is better, a defensive specialist hitting .230 on the year with 3-5 home runs and 25-30 RBIs or a pitcher batting .090 with a 75% strikeout rate with maybe 2-3 RBIs per year? It’s not that hard to do, so don’t question if I’m trying or not when you brought nothing to the table, and then flip flop your stance on certain baseball related issues
Ragnarok
Do you hate when teams decide to change ballpark dimensions? Because Moving walls in closer is a way to increase offense too. You can certainly hate one change and like another.
A DH gets a set slot in the lineup. Obviously being able to tag in a superstar for another AB isn’t quite the same.
BlueSkies_LA
You are welcome to try to respond to what actually said. It’s really quite simple and entirely straightforward. I don’t honestly think you can, which is why you resorted to this massively convoluted, and almost comical over complication. Good luck!
Braves_saints_celts
Exactly my point, once again you bring nothing to the table except attacking what I said. You are useless. You need more luck than me, that much I do know. Go have fun rooting for your dodger’s and ohtani the dh while trying to tell everyone else the dh ruined baseball. F’ing dummy!
unpaidobserver
Light hitting infielders only exist in a league with too many teams and a talent base negatively impacted by guys that could have made it taking a job that pays instead of languishing in the minor leagues.
BlueSkies_LA
The game has always featured players whose main value is defense. They are in the game more for their ability to prevent runs than to score runs.
Raymond Flagstaff
Sadly it is too late unless they reverse it all which they wont
Bustedstuff88
ok boomer
Ben T
“ok boomer”?!? Good lord, that’s stale as hell. It’s like 15 years old. If “ok boomer” is supposed to deride someone for being out of touch, you just owned yourself.
Cincyfan85
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I might stop watching if they implement this.
ohyeadam
Same. Even worse than the ghost runner
408inthe619
Ghost runner still pisses me off
Raymond Flagstaff
Theyre all terrible. Only one im forced to agree with is ending the shift. Players never adapted and the game was far worse with 3 true outcomes. But it is arbitrary and id gladly get rid of it to be rid of the others
unpaidobserver
Thats what we wall said the last time and we didnt so they kept going with random bs.
Dumpster Divin Theo
For double headers why not do something else innovative. Lot of knuckle heads sitting around doing nothing in the dugout. How’s about 2 games at once. Just turn the diamond sideways and have home plates at opposite sides of an equilateral triangle? Pretty zippy with both teams on defense simultaneously. Free defensive sub in when your fielders at bat on the other diamond. Who says no? Zippy way to get through the long 162 schedule. Shorten the season from Memorial day to Labor day when weather nice and kids and teachers are out. World Series over before football starts.
bcjd
Holy crap I want to see this! I mean, not for 162 games a season, but some exhibition chaos would be a lot of fun!
Dogbone
Enjoy chaos – watch the t rump administration.
dshires4
Living life like this must be exhausting.
shark stitches
No, that’s going to be brilliant.
halosfan5710
Stupid
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So let me get this straight- a team could have a guy hit a home run and then he allowed to bat again immediately after?
I also hear they want to get rid of the intentional walk.
At that point how is it even a game?
metsin4
Even worse is he hits a double. Who runs for him?
itsmeheyhii
A fan from the crowd.
halosfan5710
Stupid. Next will be a team on defense can take back 1 pitch
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What a gross gimmick, would taint the game. Whomever came up with this idea needs to quit baseball and go back to working at Chuck E. Cheese.
Stevil
Hey now, Shannon Drayer worked for Chck E. Cheese!
Luis_Fazenda
Please don’t. This commissioner, and the owners pulling his strings, have done enough damage for one lifetime.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
This is worse than Manfred Ball (ghost runner in extras)
oldgfan
And exactly when it will be used the most.
Stop messing with the game. No matter what crap you come up with the short attention span generations will still rather scroll on Tic Tok.
BronxBombers23
Step by step to Blernsball
Rsox
Rob, seriously, the game isn’t broken, stop trying to break it
dshires4
Hopefully the “little buzz” was the boubon they were drinking when formulating this awful idea. Dude just makes up rules like it’s the Savannah Bananas.
mazbilleroski
Has anyone checked to see what Meghan Markle thinks of this?
SteveFinleyEnthusiast
Forget Meghan. What does Ja think?!
kzw
We definitely need a Ja’s Rule in baseball.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Rather watch an entire lineup of pitchers batting 1-9
Extra innings we can have regular batting orders
PiazzaParty
If the official MLB video highlight gets 100 likes they get an additional run!!!!
bjhaas1977
Manfred needs to go!
BlueSkies_LA
Yeah, it’s a wonder how the team owners keep employing him when it so obvious he’s doing a terrible job for them.
Butter Biscuits
I only read one paragraph cuz I found it absurd to keep reading that nonsense lol
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Dumbest idea of manfraud’s yet. What an embarrassment to the game…
smuzqwpdmx
I like the golden batter rule in Banana Ball. Works great there. Leave it there, not in MLB.
If we’re going to import a Banana Ball rule, I’d rather have the designated runner. Almost any MLB hitter has enough of a chance to be interesting to watch, and we all have our favorites who aren’t necessarily the stars, but it’s not very interesting watching a Rowdy Tellez take his lead off first base. Put somebody in there who has the ability to steal. As a bonus, it’ll really annoy Rickey Henderson when a pinch runner breaks his record.
Mattimeo09
It’s pretty telling that Manfred is getting all his ideas for rule changes from watching the Savannah Bananas
panj341
He is jealous that they pack the place while most MLB cities have loads of empty seats
Skell 2
Here’s an idea- get a new golden commisioner. Manfred is clearly well past his best before date.
Unclemike1526
Skell 2- Here’s a better idea. Have Manfred call Bob Kraft and find out where he can get a Golden Shower.
Bivouac-Sal
Such a contrived and artificial proposed rule. Ridiculous.
twentyfivemanroster
Baseball is the only sport that I have left to enjoy and their stupidity is about to take that from me too.
BlueSkies_LA
This idea sucks, but then, so does the DH. To lovers of the DH, good luck explaining how this idea isn’t a natural next step.
Patriot12992
One of the best aspects of baseball is that the big spot can belong to guys like Bucky Dent or raji Davis. I hate this idea, the lack of control makes baseball unique in comparison to other sports. If this was basketball Betts would always get the at bat but in baseball Edman gets the chance to etch himself into the history books.
kzw
Aaron Boone, Jim Leyritz are two other guys that instantly popped in my head. Would those two guys have had those at bats on those Yankee teams? Nope…
IronBallsMcGinty
A golden at bat grand slam shall hereby be referred to as a golden shower.
SocoComfort
If you strike out then it should be called the golden crapper.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
I have an idea… I know it’s going to sound nuts… but how about… RE-WORK the competitive angle to keep the game interesting for more than just the elite squads that can spend the money needed to be regularly relevant. Half the league’s fanbase loses interest by July 1st because they know they typically can’t compete with the spending that the elite squads get away with. This isn’t about who wins the World Series. That’s a short term, invite only tournament where anyone can get hot/cold and anything can happen. This is leaning more towards the likely hood for teams to win their own division. NL West has been a one team show for how long? Same for AL East and AL West. Sure, wildcard teams can get hot in the playoffs… but they rarely stick. The top spenders regularly win their division year in and year out. The competitive balance is incredibly OUT OF BALANCE.
Miles-
Question for you, what’s your rework? What do you have in mind besides crying about it. I’m sick of hearing this lame argument. We get it, teams are spending too much and you don’t like it. Neither of us have a chance at actually fixing things but lets hear it, what’s your solution?
The NL West has 4 teams in the top half of the entire MLB that are spending the most money. They are just trying to win. That’s it, they are spending in way that they feel best can get them to the dance. Which, as you say, is all you need if you’re getting hot at the right time. The Diamondbacks of 2023 are a prime example. And by the way, of those 4, the Dodgers weren’t even the top spender of 2024.
The AL East has been won by 4 different teams in the last 6 years. The Rays, the Yankees, the O’s and the Red Sox. Only 2 of which are considered big market teams. Clearly showing that smart management and hiring can get you anywhere.
You need ownership that’s willing to spend and management that knows how to spend it the right way. Seems simple when you write it down.
But ask yourself, would you prefer an owner that made billions of dollars to buy a team, continue to use those other channels to make money (which they all have), and to not take any profit from their baseball team? Like a Steve Cohen. Spending out of his other businesses to fund his dream of giving NYC Mets a title? Or your owner? lol
All I say to you Baby, is grow up. Learn to understand the business side of the game. As it is very much a business. I wish it wasn’t but still, it is what it is. Ask your owner to spend more money. Money that they are pocketing for their own benefit.
Tymlb1990
How can you watch players like Ohtani sign $700 million contracts and not see that there needs to be a major change to the competitive balance of the league. It’s depressing to see your teams best player traded because baseball economics make it impossible for a small market team to sign them back.
You can say that owners are cheap but there’s no possible way for them to compete with the likes of LA, New York, or Chicago.
They should just make the mlb a 12 team league I guess. Because people outside the bigger cities don’t want to see a team that’s irrelevant.
The reason why football is so popular isn’t just because it’s a better product on the field, it’s because that every single team has the exact same chance to win. Organizations only loss because they’re mismanaged.
Look at the most popular teams in the NFL compared to the MLB. Some how Pittsburgh isn’t small market nor is Green Bay. Kansas City Royals only have a small window of competition, but somehow the Chiefs are the standard their league.
Keep talking about people whining about competive balance. This sport is irrelevant to the majority of the country now a days. Somehow the Reds had one of the best lineups of all time in 75 and 76. You think they would be able to replicate that again? Hell no! Manford and MLB players union are so short sighted. How about paying minor leaguers better instead of one player making $700 million.
ghostofmookiebetts
@Ty- Contract the league. Get rid of all small market teams. Problem solved.
los_leebos
or go like English Football, split MLB into a Premier League 1st tier and a Championship League 2nd tier. Bottom teams in 1st tier get relegated, and top teams in 2nd tier get promoted. Why not? Nothing means anything anymore anyway.
ghostofmookiebetts
That sounds like a fair solution, los_leebos. That way there smaller markets get to keep their teams and fans can stop whining about it.
kzw
When making that argument, for or against the cap, a lot of people don’t even consider what you said. I know I never really did until you mentioned teams specifically. Some of your NFL teams that are perennial contenders (Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Kansas City, Baltimore, Cincinnati) are considered “small” markets in the MLB.
Bivouac-Sal
well said Miles
Miles-
This is dumb. Flat No.
HatlessPete
How bout no!
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Video game
BlooperDisbeliever
I hate this. Please reply if you think it’s a good idea and why, as well as how long you’ve been watching baseball for. (15 years for me).
bcjd
My earliest baseball memories are of the 1986 World Series. I don’t think the idea is bad in the abstract. It’s a perfectly workable variation on the game of baseball.
The badness comes from the change itself. If this was some new league, I’d support it. But it’s too different from how MLB has always worked, so it shouldn’t be done in MLB.
BlooperDisbeliever
I’d agree in the same way that I think tiebreaker penalty kicks are cool in soccer, but I don’t think it should be part of the main game at any point. One of the integral parts of BB to me is that you need a full team (even if great players pull more than their weight); giving greater opportunity to any one person on a team seems off to me.
Luke Strong
Maximizing monetization of MLB is Manfred’s top priority. He doesnt care who he sells out, he has already shown he doesn’t truly care about the history of the game. It’s a long season and he wants more eyeballs on every single game, and if that means turning the game into a circus if it’ll put more money in owners pockets, he intends to do it. Since these things take time, and he knows it, he starts floating the idea, soon there will be minor league trials, and then the inevitable implementation in MLB.
Smacky
4 fingers
2183281
Baseball is the only sport you can’t decide who gets the ball, who’s hitting, etc. It’s a pure game that you gotta play the cards (lineup) you’re dealt. This is a bad idea and clearly a way to get certain players more opportunities for big moments. These are t-ball rules, not big league rules.
kzw
That’s the funny thing…even in tee ball on up to college ball, this isn’t even a rule and would get laughed at if ever brought up during a committee meeting. Manfred is an absolute joke.
2183281
So true. This would completely ruin the game.
Eric Olson 2
Pass…
Niekro floater
Please stop destroying the game I love n grew-up with. It’s perfect the way it is. Stop trying to make it the nba.
Niekro floater
I’ll tell ya where Manfred can stick his golden @bat !
Skute23
How about let’s start with a salary cap like every other professional sport, before we start implementing garbage like this.
wileycoyote56
I’d rather see them implement a 45 man roster with a 30 man active roster where you keep 4 starters inactive on off days that they don’t pitch. Maybe that would combat the rash of arm injuries in baseball by having more pitchers available. The amount of TJ surgeries is an epidemic, they need to figure a way to either reduce innings pitched or make it harder to throw 100 mph. More rest should help them combat these issues.
bcjd
No no no! I don’t want MORE churn in pitching! I want starters who go 7+ innings. I’d rather see them find a way to let starters ease off a little.
I’d propose a rule that a starter who is pulled before the sixth and given up five or fewer runs has to spend 10 days on the IL. Teams would then have an incentive to condition starters for durability. If that affects performance, I’d support tinkering with the mound to compensate.
MontrealRays
Can this loser just retire and leave already , we all know he’s gonna screw up expansion too before he leaves ,
buns cherington
why is this even on the table
Loud Noises!
Just when I thought nothing could be as stupid as the runner on second in extra innings rule
kzw
The runner on second rule seems like absolute brilliance compared to this
hiflew
If I EVER see that in an MLB game, it will be the last game I ever watch. And I will spend the rest of my life hoping for MLB’s final demise. I am not kidding. This is not baseball and if it happens i will never support it with a single dollar of my money. There are enough hobbies out there, that I can find something else to do with my time.
mpguy
Manfred thinks the idea has gotten “a little buzz?”
Let me correct that. The person who came up with this silly idea was a little buzzed., Because no sober person would propose anything this ridiculous.
If Manfred doesn’t like what baseball is, why doesn’t he go off somewhere and invent a new game employing this kind of nonsense.
El Kabong
A better rule would be allowing a team one opportunity per game to skip a weak hitter’s turn at bat. Don’t remove the player from the game. Just enable the team to avoid letting him bat that one time. Call it the Austin Hedges Rule.
kzw
They already did that by implementing the DH
HEHEHATE
Wait a second. Manfred isn’t threatened by younger fans congregating to minor league stadiums over mlb ball parks? What’s next buster posey going out as an emergency catcher or heck even an opener? or throwing Luciano to the bench for at bats on him in frustration. How far are you willing to take this baseball. Welcome to banana ball buddy it’s here.
alproof
Every change made to baseball has been horrific to the game, and this golden AB would be the worst, along with interleague play, the runner on second in extra innings, and the seven-inning games in doubleheaders. What a joke, golden AB.
THEY LIVE!!!
Just when you thought they couldn’t possibly muck it up worse with ghost runners in extra inning games (except in the playoffs) some baseball heritage hater comes up with something else to ruin the integrity of the game. Might as well call ground rule doubles home runs again.
MLB should focus on changing the things that need changing like moving the Rays to a location that isn’t in hurricane alley. Or moving the A’s to Portland Oregon to be closer to Seattle. Las Vegas is for degenerate gamblers & should never be the home of a Major League team.
GabeOfThrones
One outfielder should be allowed to use a pogo stick.
GabeOfThrones
Designated runner in extra innings has to be the team mascot.
GabeOfThrones
Teams are allowed to bring back a player that has retired to pinch hit on their birthday.
GabeOfThrones
Batting team is allowed to change one strike to a ball, and pitching team is allowed to turn one ball to a strike per inning. Option cannot be exercised on the same pitch to reverse the option of the other team.
GabeOfThrones
Pitchers are required to toss underhand after the 11th inning.
GabeOfThrones
If a team breaks up a no-hitter with their last-at bat they automatically win.
GabeOfThrones
Put random automotive sponsor vehicles in the outfield during special events like Toyotathon.
GabeOfThrones
A team can trade a run in exchange for relocating each base.
GabeOfThrones
Each team can pick a designated opposing player to chug a beer between innings.
kzw
@Gabe…Paul Skenes better like alcohol!!!
letitbelowenstein
Runners picked off or caught stealing must play the remainder of the game nude.
GabeOfThrones
Bunt singles are automatically awarded an extra base.
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
I hope they implement the change where the batter can have the option to run either from the batters box to first, or alternatively they can run to third.
TheOtherMikeD
Do you know why I know who Buddy Biancalana is? Because a scrub had a big World Series not because George Brett hit for him in the middle of a game.
hiflew
Same with Francisco Cordero or Bucky Dent or Pat Borders or 100 different other guys. We don’t need baseball to become basketball where everyone knows that the game is going to end with the ball in Jordan’s hands or LeBron’s hands and the other four guys are basically just space fillers.
azcm2511
why not make the Savannah Bananas a MLB team while your at it….SMFH
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
Pittsburgh needs a team.
anotherdamncardinalfan
Oh F…
DarkSide830
unserious proposal, and anyone supporting it should be banned from employment by anyone in the league ever again
machurucuto
This “rule change” will be harmful and will negatively affect small teams. On the other hand, the player who gets replaced will obviously be very upset, and this will create a bad atmosphere in the clubhouse. I don’t see anything positive about this proposal.
Domingo111
To avoid the stat distortion thing you could make the team skip a prior at bat of the star player. So to be eligible to golden at bat your turn has to be skipped once.
That would add another tactical aspect of when to skip which player to make him eligible and avoid players getting another extra 162 at bats that distort stats.
El Kabong
Rob Manfred is a genius. It took one nutty proposal for him to get baseball fans to stop obsessing over Juan Soto’s free agency.
kzw
Narcissists must always have the spotlight on them
El Kabong
No politics!
kzw
Huh?
This one belongs to the Reds
Chase the bee out of the room and forget about it.
I thought I’d never hear anything stupider than the ghost runner.
I was wrong.
phillyphanatic819
how about a bat painted gold and if anyone hits a home run on it MLB donates money to the players charity of his choice.
letitbelowenstein
youtu.be/_B0CyOAO8y0?si=qpqNJsCq0s7Pv-i2
DionJameskilledmyparakeet
I would rather watch a game with Joe Buck and John Smoltz announcing while the camera man focuses on Derek Jeter and Taylor Swift’s reactions between every pitch. Probably.
30 Parks
Terrible idea.
Sadface
What a stupid idea. Next there will be a golden pitching opportunity. Then liberal substution (players can come back in the game after being pinch hit for and pitchers can come back too at anytime). Then if the Dodgers only want Ohtani to hit, he will be allowed to take all the at bats even when he is already on base.Then managers can choose to rewind an inning, say if the other team scored like 5 runs the opposing manager can call for a rewind and they have to play it again! But only if they are a big market team…
WestVillageTiger
Well at least we won’t have to worry about streaming anymore when the product becomes unwatchable…
Fred McGriff HR
Your ‘Golden at Bat’ should take a massive golden shower.
VegasSDfan
Every rule change comes with resistance. I say, give it a try.
dclivejazz
No. Way. In. Hell.
IHLgulls
Nerds ruined baseball so we might as well have some fun now.
TheFuzzofKing
Author gets an F- for failing to mention that banana ball already does this.
I love banana ball but banana ball is where this idea belongs.
Also, the commish is having fun here. The
MLB will not be doing this.
Carter86
Get this man away from the game. This is absolutely insane.
Simm
I generally like the rules that have been added but this idea is terrible. I get it might sound and even be exciting but you take away from needing a deep team. The DH already does this to a certain extent.
This would be a terrible idea.
Old York
MLB is competing against the Savannah Bananas.
gr81t2
What a stupid idea. It give even less incentive for crap teams and teams who refuse to spend to improve their rosters
chiefnocahoma1
Karensjer
That’s it. If this idea somehow comes to fruition, I’m done following the ‘sport’.
Old York
@Karensjer
It’s a pastime.
dodgers32
That’s it. Manfred has to go. Institute an impeachment process on his ass. If we let him go on any further, there will be the “mulligan rule” to allow a do-over on one strike three call or cancel a fly out where a hitter just go under a pitch and flied out. I don’t understand his constant need to change the game. When one tries to perfect a beautiful game, it gets ruined.
BlueSkies_LA
Hilarious. You think the commissioner works for the fans. So here’s a bit of reality therapy for you: When the commissioner open his mouth, the voice of the owners comes out.
wbz41
Boo that man.
RegularEd 2
Isn’t this Savannah Bananas level stuff? I believe they already do this in their “league”.
Stormintazz
Yes MLB and Fumbledor Manfred has sunk to the Savannah Bananas level. Why not have fans bid on pinch hitting. That way teams generate revenue and fans try to pay even more than they already do to come to a game. But they can see a fan or someone they know hit. But this can only happen when the bases are loaded with less than two outs during the 8th inning!!!!
Outfieldflyrule??
Wtf?? Bucky f’ing Dent would have never happened with this stupid rule. Someone lay off the anchovies before bedtime…..
Hego Damask
Please stop destroying baseball!!!
Old York
MLB needs to implement the rule where the home fans catch the ball, it’s an automatic out for the visiting team. This would get fans more involved. Have some music blasting all the time to get people moving. North American baseball is too quiet compared to Asia.
JTSmith Reds
Leave the game alone already. The idea of no longer having the unsung hero hitting the game winning HR in the bottom of the 9th. Manfred is crazy.
Gwynning
“…has gotten a little buzz…”
With 4 year olds?!?!?!
alwaysgo4two
Baseball is the only sport where players don’t freely exit and enter the game at the will of the manager/coach. Heck, let’s just go all the way and use every player as an interchangeable part. Need a better defense later in the game? No problem. Slide in defense first players who can’t hit, but when their turn comes up, put back in the bat first player.
Can they screw up the game even more? I have complete confidence in them.
Old York
@alwaysgo4two
Maybe the MLB needs to be like the NFL and have an offensive and defensive teams along with special teams.
whyhayzee
Oooh. Outfielders could call a fair catch and the runners can’t advance. Golly, this stupid rule thing is super easy.
alwaysgo4two
Ha…ha. That one doesn’t seem as crazy at first look. Look at how many jobs it’ll create for thousands of glove first, no hit players. Nine DH’ers and nine D first. Just a matter of time.
jswanny41
It’s gotten buzz bc it’s stupid af. Want to make the game better Manny? Make it more accessible, lift fkn blackouts. Quit changing the rules.
Guarded Indian
We are all now dumber for having read this. Manfred needs to go!
wvsteve
The best to do is to change the bat. Create some sort of composite bat to be used. Have you ever hit with a wooden bat? If kids were required to do it, baseball would be horrible to play and watch. The ball wouldn’t get past the dirt
soxygen
How about instead the offense gets to choose which player on the other team pitches to the next batter? Has to get behind the plate and catch? I mean, c’mon, this is so effing stupid.
thatdudetg
No. Just no.
just_thinkin
Truly horrendous.
mikemcsaudi
Checking the calendar to see if it’s April 1st.
tjb6
Can you impeach a Commissioner?
In nurse follars
Idle hands doing the devil’s work. There is something seriously wrong with the MBA’s who run a sport that they clearly despise.
Sabermetric Acolyte
In other news, trampolines will be added to the warning track and extra runs will be award to outfielders based on how stylish they can be when stealing a home run.
Also, the shortstop will have to be dressed like a clown.
whyhayzee
How about a golden fan rule. The one fan who shows up gets to sit anywhere in the stadium. Manfred will be the death of baseball.
baseballfan90
Absolutely not. This idea needs to be left on the drawing board.
slimeecito
This is for real??? I thought it was just a dumb social media rumour. I’d rather bring back legal steroids. Dumbest F’Ing thing I’ve ever heard
bcjd
“an inherently artificial measure “
The whole game is artificial. There’s nothing objectively wrong with the proposed rule. It would be a perfectly fun and exciting and workable variation on the game of baseball. It would give the manager some strategic decision making options, not unlike the pre-DH shuffling of pitchers, or pinch hitting and shuffling position players.
My objection is that it’s too big of a change to something that has never changed in the history of the game. This is as big, if not bigger, than when the DH was introduced. I had forgotten that the bases were sized up until I read this column, and being reminded kind of takes the luster off Ohtani’s 50/50 season a little bit. Well, this would have the same effect on the next great clutch hitting performance.
bcjd
Let’s ask the ghost of Bobby Thompson what he thinks about this rule. Aaron Boone would be working the desk at the Miami Sheraton right now if this rule had been around in 2003.
On the other hand, Jackie Bradley Jr. might still be patrolling center field. Big Papi’s clutch career would be even more impressive.
Pros and cons. But this is a solution in search of a problem. If it had always been this way, then fine. But change just for the sake of change isn’t the way to go.
Mikenmn
When I started reading this I was thinking “I’m just another old guy yelling get off my lawn,” Then, went to the comments and realized that there are some ideas so bad that it doesn’t matter how old you are.
sacko
Yeah just finished my morning coffee and I come across this.
bootsday29
Why not? He’s pretty much ruined the history of the game with his changes. What’s next, no National and American League, 1-2 count on hitters in extra innings? Come on Manfred.
RockinRobin
This makes the game seem childish and more like a video game.
Stop it already.
BigGargamel
Man, I love baseball, but the powers at be are sure trying to change that for me. Just LEAVE THINGS ALONE.
Outfieldflyrule??
That’s over 850 plate appearances per year for Ohtani, Soto, Harper, etc. Talk about distorting the record books!?? Might have to renegotiate their contracts too..they would become more valuable. DUMB!!
slowcurve
If the golden bat is unsuccessful they have to decapitate the hitter by guillotine.
los_leebos
Move Fast and Break Things.
bhambrave
This is a terrible idea.
CO Guardening
Dumbest idea ever.
bcjd
How about they change the standings to be based on run differential, instead of wins/losses? That means that it doesn’t matter which team has more runs after nine innings. All that matters is that cumulatively you rack up more runs, and give up fewer, across the whole season.
That means no more extra inning games, because tie games don’t matter. It also means that you don’t put in the scrubs in blowout games, because every run counts. You have an incentive right through the last pitch of the night to remain competitive.
Too radical a change? Yep. But not any crazier than this current proposal.
Shoechewer
Next up: adding an extra base that no one can find, running the bases backwards after the second inning, pitchers throwing underhanded in even innings, players parking personal vehicles on the field, and Hard Liquor and Handgun Wednesdays. You can thank me later.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Cool.
How about a rule there they put the ball on a tee but then the batter is blindfolded and while he’s swinging the opposing team can have a guy standing there blowing on the ball trying to knock it off the tee before he hits it.
Figure out whichever fielding player has the most V02 max and statcast the wind speed.
Give the best “blower” a gold glove.
King Floch
Did Manfred recently watch the Blernsball episode of Futurama?
Because this idea sounds like something out of Blernsball.
Joemo
The pitch clock I dislike, but I can see the reasoning behind it.
The “ghost runner” extra inning rule I dislike, but as long as it stays out of the playoffs I am ok with it.
Universal DH I was ok with, I liked having the slightly tweaked rules between the leagues. But I am thankful to not watch pitchers hit.
This Golden At Bat rule is so insane that it would drive fans away from the sport. They’re just trying to cram more Ohtani/Judge ABs down fans throats. Baseball isn’t about just feeding your superstars ABs, it truly is a team sport. Sometimes your worst hitter is up at the most impactful moment. Either pinch hit for them with a player off the bench, or let it ride.
Maybe the defense needs a Golden Mound Visit where they can bring in any pitcher for the 1 AB, but they get the full time to warm up. That is any pitcher on their roster, doesn’t matter if they already pitched. They can be pulled after the 1 AB (and reenter later) or stay in the game.
Flanster
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
Not a clever name
This is just stupid. What makes seeing a star player in a high leverage situation something like Bonds coming up in the bottom of the 9th down two with runners on the corner against a top end closer is that it’s not manufactured, there are 8 and a half innings of variables involved. Manfred thinks he’s the commissioner in BASEket ball.
kzw
In the words of Manfred…”I swear…if you guys rip on me 13 or 14 more times, I’m outta here “
sufferforsnakes
How friggin’ stupid can MLB get? Here’s your answer.
ClevelandSteelEngines
I will genuinely quit watching if this happens. My patience has worn thin from numerous silly changes like ghost runners in extra innings. This is tacky and not what baseball is. Manfred is garbage, from the rules changes to messing up Oakland, the the Atlanta all-star debacle. His leadership is terrible.
YankeesBleacherCreature
2024’s MLB average slash line was .243/.312/.399.
The idea is to try to increase overall offense without drastically increasing game times. Not sure how that is going to be achieved when pitching changes will be made for “golden at-bat” hitters.
dsid
Hell No
RWH 2
Worst idea I’ve ever heard. Tell me what this adds to the game because I can tell you what it takes away: the very idea of a batting order. Who needs a batting order if you can bring up Othani or Judge every time? And it makes the competitive imbalance ever worse between the haves and have nots in free agency. So, it must be an agent idea to increase the market value of aging DH types by making them PHs too.
Jimmy Garbagebag
Absurd. Yeah how about during the 7th inning stretch, there’s a hot dog eating contest between the two managers and the loser gets dunked in a beer tank.
Poke56
For the love of God can we get this man outta office before he screws up the game more then he already has?? What’s next?? The whole team bats every inning? Hitting off a tee??
corrosive23
Screw it, lets go all in like football and have a defensive team and an offensive team. Only fielders and only batters. 9 DHs!
wallabeechamp
Lame
Acoss1331
As others have said, this is one of the dumbest ideas Lord Manfred has floated. Here’s an idea, why don’t you introduce some reforms to the umpires union and implement a system with some freaking accountability? I’m tired of umpires having unchecked power in the game…
Old York
@Acoss1331
Sorry, that’s not going to help your White Sox win more games… 😀
Acoss1331
Hank Aaron and Willie Mays resurrecting from the grave couldn’t help the White Sox win more games lol
reakin1
manfred is on a one man crusade to ruin baseball! Must have been cut from his little league team and swore revenge on the game, ghost runners, bigger bases, gold at bats , straight out of the movie “ Sandlot “ fire him now before it gets any worse.
bmann300
No!!!! Just let your top 4 hitters lead off every inning! Just as dumb as a Golden Rule!!
bcjd
How about we just start every inning with the top of the order? Then your superstars can have a plate appearance every inning, and the guys at the bottom of the order can be defense-first because they’ll rarely come up to the plate.
baseballtradition
Get rid of Manfred before he ruins the game we all love. This isn’t a video game, it’s America’s pastime.
Yankeesforever
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FatChance65
Looks like I will be spending my summers playing more golf than watching this travesty called MLB. Hey, Manfred! Way to alienate the fans!
enteluj88
No. Just no.
dirtbagbaseball427
If Manfred’s goal is to destroy the game, this oughta do it…
You wouldn’t allow this rule in a game of backyard wiffle ball. I can’t even begin to explain how much is wrong with this
Salzilla
Haha I love it just because it makes everyone bananas. Make it 9th inning only and you got a deal. Seriously though how can you not like that added drama?
dasit
it’s also dramatic when the #9 hitter comes through in the clutch
Salzilla
That drama isn’t as much of a given though, with the advantage usually to the pitcher. This also makes the closer more important than ever. A lot of teams have used their best reliever elsewhere lately, this would ensure your best vs their best to close the game.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
STOP CHANGING THE RULES.
Manfred should be happy his most recent set of rule changes were widely lauded, and leave it at that.
fox471 Dave
Not the runner on second to begin an extra inning game
Guybird
No No and No
jesseglaubitz
A believe this is a concept borrowed from Blernsball.
jhanley108
Rob Manfred and his Golden Showers ideas. JFC
JoeBrady
Extremely stupid idea. Eventually this will morph into Judge and Ohtani getting every at-bat.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The best part about MLB was that they rarely messed with traditions and rules. Now that’s all they do. ever since Manfred took over.
Bud Selig must be rolling in his grave.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Bud is still alive…
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Man I didn’t think anyone could be worse than Selig…I hate Manfred.
Karensjer
I feel the same way. I thought Selig was bad, but Manfraud makes me want to write a letter of apology to Selig and beg him to come back.
fox471 Dave
Manfred or his 10 year old daughter come up with dumber ideas every year. How much longer are we stuck with this guy (or her)?
Not the real Sports Pope
Let’s not worry about the fact that you have 2 teams that have no stadium to play in in the next 3 years. No No we need to discuss non sense rules that aren’t even used in T BALL!!! I mean enough already. I mean this guy Manfred is so bad he makes Goodell look like he knows what he’s doing. What’s next? A tournament in the middle of the season? You like that idea? So you can sell dumb uniforms like the NBA?
semut
The City Connect Classic
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
They’re already selling dumb uniforms like the NBA….
numberoneslayerfan
this is dumb
semut
I just threw up in my mouth
Thornton Mellon
Baseball Simulator 1.000 for the SNES was a lot more fun and starting to seem a lot more realistic than some of the stuff coming from Manfred.
Clayton Russell
I’d rather see them add a 2nd dh (so have an additional fielder that wouldn’t have to hit). It would be interesting to see some of these players who are exceptional in the field but can’t hit, get a chance to play.
CarolinaCubsandKush
When did Manfred say he was retiring? Hopefully soon before these radical ideas make any significant waves.
Darthyen
A HARD NO!!!
What’s next having players on the DL being allowed to take a “virtual” pinch hit….{shudder}. Just stop with this foolishness.
phenomenalajs
The article said the MLB had “no plans to test it.” The MLB has agreements with independent leagues, like the Atlantic League, for testing rule changes. So I’d expect to see it in a game like the Long Island Ducks vs the Staten Island FerryHawks before it’s even entertained at the minor league or MLB level.
Otto371
I am one of the few people here who actually liked the ghost runner in extras rule, but this is just ridiculous. This is laughable.
carlos15
Manfred is a clown charged with ruining the game.
larkraxm
I think that once per game, a random generator should select a seat number and the fan in that seat should get to bat, but the pitcher has to throw underhand, and the infielders can only use their gloves to field, no bare hand throws. I’m hearing a lot of “buzz” for this idea.
queenie
Is Manfred working for the Savannah Bannana’s now?
jaash5
This just proves that Manfred is the biggest POS that baseball has ever seen, just go start a new sport and leave baseball alone. There has never been a more harmful person in charge of the game
BarNone
Is MLB just working its way towards the peewee league rule of everyone hits regardless of whether they are currently in the field?
dasit
manfred: the unuseful idiot
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
What’s gonna happen if Dave Roberts wants to use Ohtani for this garbage rule when he just got intentionally walked to load the bases. For this scenario Betts is on the IL. Freddie is on 2nd and Muncy is on 3rd. Will Dave Roberts be able to pr for Ohtani but the use the “golden AB” and have Ohtani have two PAs in a row.
It would be like Mr. Baseball where the umpire calls strike but tells him nah its cool keep batting… then strike 4 , strike 5 and strike 6 are called.
WestVillageTiger
Grudgingly, I admit this idea will be hugely beneficial to me personally. Since I’ll no long be watching “traditional baseball”, I’ll save at least $50/month by dumping my MLB package on Amazon Prime and Bally/Fan Dual ($300/season!), another $1200 or so on going to games, another $500 on parking and concessions…I’ll be able to afford an extra vacation per year once they’ve destroyed a pastime I’ve enjoyed for 60 years.
Sorinotsori
…. Clase will have his work cut out for him in the bottom of the 9th,a 1 run lead and the Yankees’ big bats due up with Soto, judge, and judge looming
randothecommando
If they implement this rule i will officially be done with watching MLB. They need to implement a Fire and Ban Manfred from ever sticking his face in this sport again. Ruining the sport.
Raymond Flagstaff
Manfred will stop at nothing to make baseball about himself. Pathetic. They’ve already turned me from a huge fan of 35 years into a casaual fan. They do this and I’m done. I’m not concerned what goldfish like and if they insist on marketing only to goldfish I’ve got other things I can do with my time. Spare me the propaganda in spring training like they did with the last set of stupid rules
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Not sure who his successor will be but Manfred has taken him under his wing so his replacement will probably just as bad.
BlueSkies_LA
His replacement will be just as employed by the owners as every other commissioner has been.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I know but Dan Halem has already by hand picked by Manfred to succeed him
Not if be was actually hand picked. Wouldn’t doubt it.
BlueSkies_LA
The commissioner does not get to pick his own successor.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Maybe not but his successor as already been chosen so Mob Ranfred definitely had a say in who it was. Whomever the hell Dan Halem is will be the next commissioner
BlueSkies_LA
He has no say at all. He can bring someone on who if the owners like what they see will be well-positioned as a candidate, but the hiring is still decided by the 30 owners and nobody else. Another useful factoid is whomever the owners pick as commissioner, he or she will be voice of the owners, and nobody else.
Ezpkns34
Stugotz about to sue for credit on this one
basquiat
Are the owners trying to turn baseball into LIV Golf or WWE? Manfred speaks for the owners. They have decided to dumb down the game for cash.
coyote521
Just when you thought they couldn’t cheapen the game any further.
Frank Reid
Manfred is checking with the Savannah Bananas to get ideas for next season. He’s considering their rule if a spectator catches a foul ball, it’s considered an out.
Baseball Babe
Go away Manfred. Just no to this idea and just go to you.
zlee
Burn it with fire.
JScottG
Only a moron and a non athlete who has never played the game at any meaningful level would even consider a video game rule that mocks baseball history and rules.
He can’t leave his post quick enough!
rond-2
Yep, let’s have MLB teams play in minor league parks, let’s have disparity with teams due to how much money they can spend, let’s have runners magically appear on 2nd base. Yep, all we need is another gimmick that bastardizes baseball ⚾
Raymond Flagstaff
Its already a joke, but some people have gotten over it. Too much more and the core fans are gone completely
Oldguy58
F’ing ridiculous. Would it be too much to ask to find a commissioner who doesn’t hate the sport of baseball?
Expos The Manfraud
What if revenue sharing recipients could use it against the tax payers? It would be an amazing mechanism for Manfred to depress salaries.
John Bird
This only exacerbates this divide between big market/small market. If you’ve got a Soto, Ohtani, or Judge in your lineup you probably love the idea. If you don’t then probably not so much.
semut
It’s such an abomination to the game though that I doubt even big market players want to win like that. Imagine a team down by a run, 2 outs in the 9th, the ninth place hitter coming up, and they move Soto up 3 spots in the lineup, and he walks it off? It’s such a crap move that I really can’t see any players at all getting behind it
Mantle536
I understand your comment from a small market viewpoint, but I’m a Yankees fan of 65+ years & I HATE THIS MORONIC IDEA!
So, I think this idea is Universally Hated.
dasit
per manfred, win or lose all players will go to shakey’s for pizza after the game
semut
“…In October, Manfred suggested there could be some support within the league for exploring that concept…” – lmao I’ll bet there isn’t, you dolt
Mantle536
The owners should FIRE that idiot Rob Manfred for even “floating” this MORONIC rule change.
Manfred seems intent on making a mockery of the game. I was fine with implementing a reasonable pitch clock because too many batters & pitchers took a coffee break in between pitches.
But Manfred overreacted with the 15 & 20 second, now 15 & 18 second rule.
Pitchers are throwing all out on virtually every pitch nowadays, with more pitchers than ever consistently throwing 97-103 mph, so 15 & 18 seconds between pitches places an Entirely Unreasonable Risk of Injury on all pitchers.
The human body was not designed to sustain throwing 3 pitches in roughly 60 seconds at speeds of 95-100+ mph. That’s a recipe for destroying a pitcher’s arm over time.
kzw
I agree with you totally. I don’t hate the rules he’s implemented thus far. However, if this stupid a** idea comes to pass…I will still watch because baseball is my sport, but I’ll hate every second that this stupid idea happens.
MacGromit
Manfred turning MLB into MTV Rock ‘n Jock. Just a matter of time before a big MTV (or Google) logo out there in the field that is in play like the Rays’ catwalks.
kzw
This is absolutely insane. Give me a freaking break.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
After all these recent rule changes, personally don’t care anymore. Like whatever….
energel
Oh F+ck no. Oh god no. Please. This aint wiffleball this the mf-ing god d+mn MLB!!!!!
bcjd
How about we increase offense and solve the problem of starting pitchers who only pitch 5 innings with a rule that only changes roster management? Here’s the idea: a pitcher who starts the game must go on a 10 day restricted list unless he either (a) completes 6 innings, or (b) gives up more than 5 runs, or (c) suffers an injury and is placed on the IL. It counts as a “start” for the purpose of this rule if he gets the final out of the first inning.
The 10-day restricted list is intended to make that starter unavailable for his next start. Basically, if you”re going to remove him it should be for injury and he should go on the IL. So team loses the pitcher for one start if he’s pulled early, with three exceptions to allow for three legit reasons to pull a pitcher early:
(1) to protect against aggravating a minor injury a pitcher may be pulled in the first without losing him for his next start. If a starter is pulled in the first, he doesn’t go on the RL. But the pitcher who relieves him must pitch through the sixth.
(2) if a pitcher is genuinely ineffective he can be pulled. I picked 5 runs in six innings, but that’s just a stab in the dark. I’d be open to refining the definition of “ineffective.”
(3) that leaves only injury as a legitimate reason to pull a pitcher before 6, and it has to be an injury that actually puts him on the IL, which has functionally the same effect on the team roster.
Significantly, strategy is not a legitimate basis to pull a starter u def this rule. There’s a cost to pulling a starter for a matchup, or on a pitch count, or before the third time through the lineup.
The player is entitled to pay during his time on the list. It is not intended to be a penalty for the player. It is intended to encourage teams to condition starters for durability, which should have the effect of dialing back intensity and increasing offense marginally.
kzw
I think what you have here is a really good idea, but not completely practical. You definitely have to account for some kind of pitch limit or (just using him as a recent example) Paul Skenes would’ve had several starts skipped. Guys coming back from injury, or coming up from the minors need some kind of pitch limit or TJ surgeries will be more prevalent than they already are. And you could argue that they could come out of the bullpen, which is true, but it also completely alters their pregame preparation. So…I do think you’re onto something that I truly like…minor tweaks would be needed.
bcjd
Right, but the point of the rule is to force teams to condition and train starters to be more durable, and thereby reduce the amount of TJ surgery, etc. I think it’s pretty well established that modern pitching mechanics are at the root of the problem, and teams could be training and conditioning pitchers with different strategies which would improve durability, but which would sacrifice effectiveness in the form of velocity, spin rate, etc.
So yes, as he has been trained now, it would have significantly impacted Skenes’ season. But what if he had been trained to pitch like Maddux instead of like Sale? That’s the goal.
kzw
So your endgame is to pigeonhole every starter into the Greg Maddox style of finesse? That simply won’t work. Not only was Maddox an absolute master of spin and control, but he was an absolute genius. He wasn’t who he was just because of his ability to move the ball with pinpoint control, but because he was smarter than damn near every major league hitter. I do understand where you are coming from, but some guys are just built differently than others. Some guys have natural abilities that others don’t and trying to train guys to be like someone else simply isn’t the answer. Say what you will, but this influx TJ surgery starts when kids are very very young. Year round travel ball for 13-14 years is what’s ruining arms. I guarantee you Greg Maddox, Tom Glavine, Nolan Ryan, Bob Gibson, etc. didn’t play baseball year round.
noquarter89
The ability to throw 100 MPH is far more common than the ability to throw as accurately as Maddux. The people who want every pitcher to emulate Maddux don’t understand this.
extreme113
This is less absurd than the Golden AB.
Daryl Pauley
Just say NO!
atlas bunts
Stupid is as stupid does-
Otto371
Dogfight football from Top Gun: Maverick but for baseball.
Yankeesforever
Hallow records, especially season records, would fall like trees in a hurricane,
Even in blowouts in either direction, why would you not give Ohtani or Judge the extra plate appearance for record’s sakes?
We would have players getting 125 or more PA, how could records stand against the onslaught of players with 800+ PAs
Somebody wants this?
AgentF
gtfoh
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Thanks, I hate it.
DarkSide830
OK Manfred
THEY LIVE!!!
Seriously , MLB needs to fix the extra inning rule allowing a runner on second base and forget these asinine ideas like the “golden bat”!!!
mad1
Stupid idea
Doc666
Fuqin ridiculous
Raymond Flagstaff
Dont worry there probably wont be another bio weapon to allow them to do whatever they want. Ifbu remember anyone ith any power was literally doing whatever they wanted. Baseball being the entertainment branch of tyrany was sure to twist nickers as well. Heck we ended it canada legalizing euthanasia for poor people and DEI rules for baseball
Evan Siggson
Plus all 1B should wear roller skates.
cjmcg79
I think it’s time for Rob to be put in front of the old staring window with the other “feebs”
CKinSTL
Aside from the extra innings rules, I have liked all the rule changes and they seem pretty effective. Definitely more action and a lot less dead space.
This one seems pretty dumb though and I don’t think this will ever happen.
Raymond Flagstaff
Extra innings is the most absurd. So is free balls and strikes though. So is restricting throw overs. So is not having to throw a pitch to walk someone. Changing the distance to the bases… dont forget the dh and ending league play. I mean theyre almost all stupid tbh. But if the goal was making the game shorter than the average drive time to get there they succeeded
CKinSTL
To each their own. Obviously the actual game time is shortened but each team is still getting 27 outs. Just unnecessary dead space is being removed. If you like watching pitchers hold the ball for 30 seconds between pitches, watching guys adjust their batting gloves and seemingly endless mound meetings.. I guess the rules just aren’t for you. I’m more interested in the game action, opposed to what happens inbetween.
Raymond Flagstaff
Bring a friend to the game then you will have someone to talk to while you watch your favorite sport. Baseball is never just about the action and the fact that you see it that way makes me feel sympathy. I personally dont watch baseball with the hope the game is as short as possible, and catering to such people will only destroy the once great sport. If you dont like it dont watch, but I guess they desire to market to the goldfish community
Omarj
I’m not opposed to a resub, meaning a player subbed out can come back in. Example: down by 1, RISP, pinch runner which then scores, and when pinch runner has AB in extras, use subbed out hitter who was pinch ran for to bat. Only 1 resub allowed
extreme113
They would laugh if someone tried to bring this up in senior softball.
william-2
A room full of suck ups working for the commissioner and shaking their heads up and down at brain farts is not “buzz.”
There are so many reasons why this is dumb, but I’ll just do the most obvious one.
So, if a great, large payroll team is losing a game they can have a super star take an at bat out of turn, potentially batting twice in the last inning if trailing while the other team still has to deal with the 3-batters faced rule upsetting any match up reasons used.
Idiotic.
Tony Cunningham
Why not make it a Golden Arches AB, where one hitter must dress up as Ronald McDonald, complete with the big shoes and make-up. If he hits a single, everyone in the ballpark gets a burger. A double nets people a double burger. A homer warrants a Big Mac. The defense gets to have one player dress up as the Hamburglar. Oh yeah, this idea has great promise.
RazorRamonie
This is by far a more enjoyable idea than the one proposed send it to the Bananas maybe you can get them a McDs sponsorship for some funny gimmick stuff like that
Texas Outlaw
This is just bad comedy.
deeds
How about the team with the highest payroll automatically wins????
Raymond Flagstaff
Oo oo can we stone the loser!? Lol
vtadave
Whomever proposed this idea to him (if it wasn’t his) had to have more than a “little buzz” going on.
Acoss1331
Now he’s saying he doesn’t like the idea, but likes the conversation it has started. Pretty sure he’s trying to deflect the blame for his own dumb idea…
Raymond Flagstaff
Lol dude was smart enough to learn how foolish he looked but not smart enough to realize to just stop
Informed Sportsball Discussion
K, so Commish now says he is not in favor of this rule, and never has been.
Which one, or ones, of the 30 owners wanted Manfred to float this trial balloon? Someone did, clearly.
I would say the balloon has been shot down, run over, re-floated and shot down again, so someone owes Manfred dinner for making him the flak magnet.
bjhaas1977
Remove Manfred!
Seamaholic
He opposes the idea.
hiflew
Then he shouldn’t have brought it up.
Tiberius
I swear to the baseball gods here, now, and every day: if this becomes a thing. I will find Rob Manfred and put him in a sharpshooter on television. No blackouts.
snowsenses
How about every team has just a single hitter who gets pinch-run for every time they hit a non-HR. You could even have the pinch runners standing next to the plate ready to run when they hit the ball
kzw
@Snow…I’d have been more for this than the universal DH. Minus the runner standing there obviously.
James Midway
Padres should bat TAtis 1-9
Never Remember
I think Manfred might be a little buzzed
ronzorn
terrible, terrible idea
TheMan 3
Manfred should leave well enough alone. Changing the dynamics of baseball is a ridiculous move
Next thing he will promote is to games tied after 9 innings would be a draw with no extra innings
Danosaur55
A little buzz, kind of like a Texas inmate.
Raymond Flagstaff
I had always hoped futurama mocking future baseball would be fiction, then there was manfred
iffster
What a joke. Manfred trying to turn baseball into a video game.
hiflew
Nope. He is trying to turn it into basketball with this idea. In basketball in crunch time, you have the superstar and 4 space fillers. Everyone knows where the ball is going, the other guys are just there. To me, the best part about baseball is that ANYONE can be the hero on any given day. We remember Francisco Cordero. We remember Bill Mazeroski. We remember Bucky Dent. We remember David Freese. We remember Bobby Thomson. Under Manfred, we wouldn’t because those guys likely wouldn’t get to the plate.
anotherdamncardinalfan
He’s trying to turn it into wrestling tag team matches. Hey, that’s it, the guy batting runs over to the bench and tags the Golden Hitter. Oh, oh….the catcher tries to tackle him and prevent the tag from being made.
Seamaholic
Manfred opposes the idea.
noquarter89
Found Manfred’s burner account
joegriff
This would be insane.
Have to throw out every record!
This is a negative no brainer
User 1939973770
I’d rather bring in a ‘golden runner’
cbraves
Manfred is about as delusional as a certain person running the United States the last 4 years.
❤️ MuteButton
I like to pretend my opinion matters, so I’ll continue. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
5toolplayer
Maybe we should make the ball bigger and replace the catcher with some sort of net on a pole.
whosehighpitch
Why not have the pitcher pitch on stilts too when he’s facing the golden batter. And before Clase or Diaz come in to close the game out make the sing a song from Hairspray to close it out
stgpd
A little buzz? As in buzz off Rob this is stupid
okiguess
Let’s just do away with the entire sport. Just replace gams with Home Run Derby. All each team will need is 5 sluggers and 5 pitchers. No fielders necessary, it’s a hoe-run or it’s an out. Every team could afford that.
wmurphy24
Literally one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard
ChuckyNJ
Give a golden at-bat to any ballplayer who wins a golden sombrero.
gloves09
If this come to fruitsion, I am gone from this game is haved loved, Manfred is killing this game, so sad
Redwolves3
Why float the “Golden At Bat Rule” idea if “he’s not personally in favor of the change”
Don’t destroy baseball with such a DUMB rule. Hopefully the idea will fall into the deepest crevices of Manfred’s mind
CardsFan57
I read that to say we floated the idea which landed with a very unpleasant thud.
chiefnocahoma1
Flies tend to give turds “a little buzz” too.
frugalfarhan
Better solution if you are trying to give the best players a chance to impact the game late is to start the ninth inning at the top of the order just like the first inning. It’s fair for all teams so doesn’t favor the ones with superstars and guarantees the offense is in the best position possible at the end of the game.
Atlanta Jack
Terrible idea fro a terrible commissioner. It just gives the big payroll, big market teams another advantage.
Seamaholic
Manfred opposes the idea.
anotherdamncardinalfan
Only after the baseball world said it was idiotic.
Niekro floater
Would have to be “buzzed” to think that was good idea. Manfred is a putz !
Bobcastelliniscat
By all means, give Othani another 162 at bats a season maybe he will hit 100 home runs.
anotherdamncardinalfan
I didn’t think I could think less of Manfred, but I was wrong. Now he says he doesn’t like it? What a weenie.
bpskelly
“A little buzz?”
Someone forgot to clean out their bong.
MPrck
This is my last sport, if they screw it up more so be it, I’ll save money from not watching it.
Rally Goose
Happy Arson Judge day Giants fans!
abcrazy4dodgers
Cue the Micheal Jordan “Stop it and get yourself some help” video.
AL B DAMNED
This Idea is about as STUPID As Boise State playing football on a BLUE FIELD! ATTN MANFRED: DO NOT PLAN ON AN EXPANSION TEAM OR RELOCATION TO BOISE IDAHO! “OR”..THE BOISE ST “A’s” and “RAYS”…Alternating Home Games! RAYS BLUE FIELD, AND OAKLAND YELLOWISH GOLD FIELD! PLAY BALL! SPECIAL GUESTS: THE SAVANAH BANANAS! THE BANANAS WILL BE THE ONLY TEAM TO SELLOUT GAMES!
mark68
Manfred’s Mandate: Make Selig look like a good Commissioner. He’s doing a bang-up job of that.
He’s that bad.
noquarter89
In other news, Savannah Bananas to be announced as MLB’s new expansion franchise.
Stan Papi
Well if you hated the golden at bat wait till the golden shower rule.
Sky14
They are dead set on making Blernsball a reality.
Finz420
That’s not baseball