Alec Bohm’s availability on the trade market isn’t exactly a secret. The former No. 3 overall pick and current Phillies third baseman has been a regular in Philadelphia since 2020, but the Phils are looking for ways to augment a group of position players that hasn’t performed as hoped. They’ve reportedly shown interest in both Alex Bregman and Willy Adames in free agency. They’ll surely be tied to Nolan Arenado on the trade market at next week’s Winter Meetings.
Bohm, 28, certainly isn’t a bad player or even a sub-par hitter. However, he’s only been a bit better than average over the past three years (106 wRC+), and while his 2024 campaign looked early on like a potential breakout, he cooled after a dominant April and hit .258/.303/.410 down the stretch (96 wRC+). He made some strides with the glove this year but had graded as a poor defender in each of his prior MLB campaigns.
More vital to Bohm’s trade candidacy is the simple fact that he’s tradeable in a way that many of the Phillies’ other hitters are not. No one is taking the final two years and $40MM on Nick Castellanos’ contract unless the Phillies take back a similarly unenviable contract. Bryce Harper and Trea Turner aren’t going anywhere — not when both of their massive contracts contain full no-trade protection (and when both are important lineup cogs as well). Kyle Schwarber and J.T. Realmuto don’t have that same no-trade protection, but they’re both in the final seasons of weighty multi-year deals. Schwarber was the team’s second-best hitter behind Harper. Realmuto offers a good bat at a thin position where the market offers little to no way of replacing his production.
Bohm isn’t the only Phillie who’s likely being discussed in trades. Any of Brandon Marsh, Johan Rojas, Bryson Stott or Ranger Suarez could be of appeal to other clubs. None of the group is signed long-term. But Bohm best checks the combination of boxes that make him a trade candidate: dwindling club control (arb-eligible through 2026), productive output, plays a position that Philadelphia can fill with financial resources that some interested partners lack. Bohm alone probably isn’t going to net the Phillies the high-end closer they covet, but he could be moved for some degree of bullpen help or controllable/optionable rotation depth — another area in which the Phillies are lacking.
Let’s run through some speculative fits based on rival clubs’ roster needs and payroll situations:
Clear Fits
Angels: The Halos are paying Anthony Rendon for another two years but can’t count on him to stay in the lineup or produce at this point. Bohm gives them a more dependable and likely more productive option. He could also platoon with Nolan Schanuel at first base when the Angels face a tough lefty, or even step over there full-time if Rendon is healthy but Schanuel experiences growing pains. The Angels’ farm system isn’t a good one, but they have plenty of optionable, unproven young starters on a 40-man roster that has added veterans Yusei Kikuchi and Kyle Hendricks in free agency this offseason.
Astros: The priority is Bregman, but the Astros will need to go to lengths they’ve never approached under owner Jim Crane in order to retain their longtime third baseman. If Bregman ends up signing elsewhere, Houston could turn its focus to Willy Adames … unless he signs before Bregman, of course. They’ve considered a variety of contingencies, reportedly including an outside-the-box option in veteran second baseman Jorge Polanco. Bohm is a more straightforward fit. The Astros have some rotation depth and outfield depth to spare, both in the form of young players with MLB experience and upper-minors names who could debut in 2025.
Blue Jays: The Jays are in the Juan Soto hunt, but they’re more broadly just looking to beef up an offense that lacked depth and quality bats last season. If Bohm is Toronto’s primary acquisition toward that end, it’d be a disappointment for Jays fans. If he’s one of two or three newcomers, it looks more palatable. Toronto has toyed with the idea of giving Vladimir Guerrero Jr. more time at third base next year and has been linked to both Bregman and Adames. They’re clearly open to upgrades in the infield. Ernie Clement and prospects Orelvis Martinez, Will Wagner and Addison Barger are the primary options at the hot corner right now. Toronto is light on expendable rotation and bullpen depth, which could be a roadblock here.
Brewers: The Brewers aren’t going to re-sign Adames at market value. They’re fortunate to have two shortstop-caliber infielders elsewhere on the diamond in third baseman Joey Ortiz and Platinum Glove winner Brice Turang. Moving Turang to another position after that Platinum Glove might be a reach, but Ortiz could slide from third base to shortstop and give the Brewers the freedom to look for more offense at third base. Bohm’s salary is modest enough for the Brewers to stomach. There will be natural Bohm/Devin Williams speculation with both being trade candidates, but the Brewers have some younger arms they could dangle if they prefer not to deal from the big league roster.
Mariners: The Mariners are working on a limited budget this offseason and looking to add at first base and one of third base or second base (likely the former). Bohm isn’t the big power bat the M’s would probably prefer, but that might not be available to them if the front office is unwilling to trade from a vaunted big league rotation and if ownership indeed isn’t willing to increase last year’s payroll much. Bohm would at least accomplish the team’s ongoing goal of reducing its strikeout rate. There’s probably good reason to be wary of the Mariners acquiring a good-not-great hitter and hoping he can sustain or improve his production at T-Mobile Park, though. Nearly every veteran bat the Mariners have acquired/signed in recent years has gone on to have a career-worst season (e.g. Jorge Polanco, Mitch Garver, Kolten Wong, Teoscar Hernandez, Jesse Winker).
Royals: The Royals moved quickly to re-sign Michael Wacha and have since turned the focus to upgrading the lineup. Shipping Brady Singer to Cincinnati in exchange for Jonathan India gave them a contact- and OBP-driven leadoff option to put atop the lineup. Bohm is in many ways similar to India as a contact-heavy hitter with a mixed-bag defensive track reputation and average power. He’s not necessarily the impact bat the Royals are seeking, but he’d add another solid veteran to a lineup that’s built around putting the ball in play. They’ve reportedly expressed interest in Bohm already. Kansas City lines up nicely as a trade partner, given that they could offer the Phils some much-needed option rotation depth. Current third baseman Maikel Garcia is a light hitter but plus defender who could thrive in a utility role (or hold appeal to teams looking for affordable shortstop help).
Tigers: Detroit isn’t set at either infield corner. The hope is that former No. 1 pick Spencer Torkelson can yet solidify himself as a consistent power threat at first base, but that hasn’t happened yet. At third base, the Tigers are looking at a combination of Matt Vierling, Zach McKinstry, Andy Ibanez and top prospect Jace Jung. That last option, in particular, comes with high hopes but isn’t a sure thing by any means. The Tigers could acquire Bohm both as a solid option at third base but also a first base fallback in the event of continued struggles from Torkelson. Adding him would also theoretically make it easier to trade Jung in a package for a significant at another area of need, such as in the rotation or in left field.
Yankees: Assuming the plan is to move Jazz Chisholm Jr. back to second base, the Yankees don’t have a clear answer at third base next year. DJ LeMahieu isn’t aging well. Younger players like Oswald Peraza, Oswaldo Cabrera and Jorbit Vivas have yet to establish themselves. Bohm’s salary would be an affordable addition — of extra importance if the Yankees ultimately re-sign Soto — and his contact skills would differentiate from a Yankees roster that has a lot of swing-and-miss in the middle of the order.
Longer Shots
It’s plenty feasible that other trade options will become available as additional offseason dominos fall. There’s been plenty of speculation about the Red Sox dealing Triston Casas to add some pitching and also facilitate a move from third base to first base for Rafael Devers. In that scenario, Bohm could emerge as a third base option for Boston. The Pirates could consider Bohm if they miss on other targets at first base. If the Phils are willing to deal within their own division — perhaps a long shot for that very reason — the Mets could make sense if Pete Alonso leaves and Mark Vientos slides to first base. The Nats could view Bohm as an affordable candidate to keep third base warm for prospect Brady House before sliding over to first base. If the A’s strike out on free agents, they could feasibly look to the trade market as a way to add some payroll and ensure their ability to retain their status as a revenue-sharing recipient. The Reds have a crowded mix of young infielder but are lacking in established contributors. Bohm could fit there in the wake of Cincinnati’s Jonathan India-for-Brady Singer swap, but an outfield bat seems like a cleaner fit.
Arenado and Helsley for Bohm and a prospect.
That’s not bad. I doubt the Phils will want to pay Arenado’s salary, but the basic idea of Helsley for Bohm seems about right. If the Phils can stomach the dollars and they don’t consider Arenado’s contract to be TOO far underwater, it works. The prospect would go the other way btw, unless the Cards are sending some bucks. Arenado is definitely a negative asset.
@thebirds $64m for Arenado when he projects to have maybe one useful year left? Figure his deal is $48m underwater.
$48m + Bohm + $10m arb award for Helsely + the prospect you mention… for one year of a closer, no matter how great, is sick—and not in the good way.
You can even pretend Arenado projects to two 2 fWAR seasons at 3B and it’s still a brutal overpay.
@Jack
You arbitrarily insist he had 1 good year left. His give still takes top 3 and his bat, while not elite, is still capable of 20 hrs and a modest K rate. In a better lineup on a championship competitor, maybe he can be revitalized? At an average of $21 x 3, I don’t think it’s a bad deal for a major market team.
Arenado had one down year. Easy. It would be a perfect trade and could potentially happen. Please don’t throw assumptions around. You’re not a GM and this is a “rumor” site. Either you’re a fan of the scenario or not.
I seriously doubt it happens.
1-Bohm was better last year and is 5 years younger. But let’s say they are even over the next two years. If Bohm gets paid $17M, then you are in the hole for $32M. Add in the overpay for 2027, and now you are down $37M. And that mostly assumes Arenado doesn’t age.
2-With $37M in your pocket, then it only cost you an extra $19M to sign for 4 years. That’s the range of values that we are considering.
3-And it has nothing to do with value, but Philly cannot add Arenado & Helsley without adding another ~$25M to their CBT.
Never happen. Both Card players are significantly better than Bohm despite Arenado’s heavier contract.
I’d take Bohm over Arenado. He’s washed.
Arenado is not washed up but Bohm is a good player. This idea that the Phillies should trade Bohm is silly.
They really seem to not like him.
That’s fake news. Think about it. Teams don’t want to devalue their trade pieces. He’s well liked. He’s simply being shipped because he’s one of the few assets that’s actually tradeable. 2 years of control with a good 3B prospect coming up.
I guess that I am too old school. Not in love with Bohm, but he is at least average plus as a 3B, controlled reasonably for two years and still might have some upside. Therefore, I am not trading two years of a solid position player for a year of a closer. Nope. Arenado is fading badly and expensive and a negative trade value.
I am having a hard time seeing a deal making sense for Bohm, unless they roll the dice on some high end prospect return and then spend big for Bregman…and that opens up another can of worms.
Unless a team pays more than MLBTR seems to think he is worth, just keep Bohm for two more years and let him walk.
Your view is off. Bohm is significantly better then both players mentioned, in fact pieces would be needed to be added by the cardinals for the Phillies to consider a deal. Cardinals would need to eat much of arenandos odious contract also…. In my opinion.
Bohm had a better year last year and is $20M more expensive.
I don’t see Arenado helping the Phils. They’re better off with Bohm. Helsley is nice, but Phils are still looking to compete now. So if Bohm gets traded, it likely won’t be for a 3rd baseman. They’d sign a FA to fill that role better than Arenado IMO.
Neither are your solution, that’s for sure
Agree von
@ von purple
Other than Bregman, who be these other FA 3B who are better?
No one. Which is why I think a Bohm trade is unlikely.
Helsey won’t get traded for ML talent it would be all prospects
I doubt it, That adds about $30M and pushes them to the 110% threshold, and they’d still need a low-end SP, probably an OF, and probably another RP.
This could work and Arenado may fit really well as a supplemental player, not the main bat. He still brings the great defense but is just not a 3/4 hole hitter anymore. Could be a very dangerous bat hitting 6/7 in that lineup. Cardinals lose the salary and gain a decent prospect. Add Bohm to our collection of underachieving draft picks along with Gorman & Walker. At least one of of them may turn out ok.
The Phillies don’t need more old overpaid players. Hard pass.
Only deal I’m potentially making is Bohm for one of Seattle’s young SP. How much more would the Phillies need to add for one of said players?
Clearly you ain’t making a deal then, because that’s not happening.
Agree, mariners are a small market team that will always be a pretender.
They’re a mid-market team that behaves like a small-market team.
Which “young SP”? If it’s one of the depth guys like Emerson Hancock, sure. If it’s one of the current starters, fuhgettaboutit. Mariners have already come out and said they ain’t trading any of them, and they all have way more value than two years of Bohm.
Sure, you can have him for Emerson Hancock.
We might need Hancock if we trade Castillo…
Sorry to dog pile but Seattle is not giving up one of those young pitchers unless they are getting a great young player back that fills a need.
Great ? Ahhh ok.
Right, they’d be lucky get bottom-30 prospect..
Probably Aidan Miller and another prospect.
I’m not sure why everyone is jumping down your throat when you asked how much the Phillies would need to add. Depends on which starter. Gilbert, Miller, Woo, or Kirby would probably need a boatload of prospects because none are FAs for a while so you have years of control. They’d probably cost far more than the Phillies would reasonably depart with.
He’s not quite “young” but I could see a scenario where Seattle would part with Castillo. They’ve gotten good value in the first two years of his deal and if they want to cut costs (like they’ve done in recent years), maybe they’d move on from the back part of Castillo’s deal? Castillo’s numbers dipped a bit last year and Seattle has the talent to replace him. Not sure what a package would look like and Seattle of all places should be wary of a guy who struggled with the bat in the second half of the season.
Yeah i would even say its likely castillo gets traded if only to shed the payroll, which for some reason, seattle wants to keep lower than it prob needs to be.
Idk why many talk about woo in the same breath as gilbert kirby and miller, who are much more proven. Woo has years of control w upside, but has had trouble staying healthy so far.
I literally said “who else needs to be in the deal”. Seattle wouldn’t take Painter and Bohm for Woo? Not saying I would either, but they supposedly want a 3B and have a lot of controllable SP. I can’t rationalize why it would be absurd to suggest a match. Genuinely, if we can’t get a player near that calibre for a package even INVOLVING Bohm, what’s the point in moving him?
Painter?
Painter is off limits that dude is the next degrom
It was a joke. Bohm has so little value that any of the Mariners top young pitchers it will take a couple of top prospects that are close to MLB ready.
If not Bohm plus Painter alone then Bohm plus Crawford and Abel?.
Anybody Think He Would Be a Good Fit for the Yanks?
Idk man… good bat, poor defense. If he’s cheap, maybe, but otherwise no thx I would say.
His bat’s not particularly good.
Can’t see teams offering that much for Bohm. At best he’s only passable defensively at 3B. And his offense has likely benefitted a bit from the lineup he’s had around him.
He did hit .280, .274, .280 over the last 3 seasons with a solid K%. For Yankees standards that’s pretty good
Bohm’s defense isn’t poor now. He has improved quite a bit.
Average bat (105 OPS+), bad defense.
He’d absolutely be. I thought maybe Holmes and something else, but now Holmes wants to be a starter.
Holmes is a free agent
Yes. You’re right. Forgot about that.
Not any more better than Verdugo was. Stats look good on paper but hits showed up rarely in important games or came in bunches in a very few games that offset his value.
Maybe the Phils would take Stroman or Nestor for him
@TheYankeesFan99
Given game 5 of the WS, Yanks need to look themselves in the mirror and realize they need some defense. If your pitcher can’t be bothered to do a drill they do in spring training or your CF can’t secure the ball before checking on runners, getting another bat first guy isn’t going to help.
The Yankees ranked 12th on defense. Above average.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&qua…
One game doesn’t change that fact.
@Pads Fans
Yankees sucked the whole year. They got lucky playing McHappy meal teams.
In the AL Playoffs?
Wow. You just don’t understand baseball at all. I guess that is why you choose to be a troll.
Detmers for Bohm. Seems like a good deal for both sides.
That seems interesting, but what would Philadelphia do with Detmers?
He’d be their 4th or 5th starter. Detmers isn’t enough, but with a little sweetener I think that’s about what Philly can expect.
Angels arent selling low on a pitcher they need to be in their 5 next year.
Ty and Koy Detmer? Sorry, the dad in me had to ask.
Phillies fan here. Bohm is a natural first baseman and after several years at third, he’d field well at first. I favor moving Harper back to right for one season, Bohm to first, Castellanos to left, platoon Marsh and Rojas in center. Sign Bregman or Adames for third. Add a fifth starter, two bullpen arms and this is a damn good team.
Bohm has parts of 5 seasons at 1B and has never once been even league average on defense. He is 58th among 1B in DRS and 50th in FRV.
As a 3B no one has been worse over that same time period in DRS and only Devers and Riley have been worse in Statcast’s FRV.
Bohm is just bad with the glove.
He’s never had solid PT at first, but my point is if the Phillies do just what I suggest they improve.
It’s a creative solution to the problem the Phillies have which is outfield stability. The challenge is I doubt Harper moves back to the OF and the asking price for Breg and Adames is too high.
Imagine Bohm stays at 3rd and they sign Christian Walker. Better use of funds and they can spend on BP arms.
The Mariners are unlikely to trade one of the four young, cost-controlled starters for quantity over equal quality (which Alec Bohm does not represent).
I Agree plus the mariners are pretenders.
Pretenders? They have missed the playoffs by 1 game the last two years. Top 2 rotations in MLB, best hitting catcher, good bullpen and a young potential super star in J-Rod. . What the hell are you talkin about????
Still going with the “top 2 rotation”? I’m with you, the M’s aren’t pretenders, but i do feel their rotation is overvalued
Absolutely. Woo and Miller both took steps forward last year and will likely be better, I also believe Kirby will be much better than he showed in 2024. Only real regression will come from Castillo.
Given the injury history to LA starting rotation I give Seattle the slight nod over the Dodgers. That is until LA signs Roki.
How much do you allow for the fact that half of their games are in a pitchers’ ball park.? Does that give them a 10% edge ? 15% ? 20% ?
And how long is Rodriguez going to carry the “potential superstar” tag ? A fine player, no doubt, but not there yet.
What we are talking about is it doesn’t matter if we don’t make the playoffs by one game or 100, what matters is making the playoffs in the first place
There’s a difference between an above average team and a playoff team
Phillies got a damn good rotation… and that’s with Aaron Nola not being as dominant and ranger suarez falling off
Sorry, they aren’t even pretenders.
I think because they blew a 10 game lead not being to hit their way out of a paper bag. Until they can fix that lineup, they’ll be pretenders
This year the Seattle Mariners posted a team wRC+ of 104, including a league-leading wRC+ of 118 after August 15.
The Mariners have undertaken an ongoing effort to fix the lineup.
I’m a Mets fan but I see this guy becoming a superstar if he ends up in the Bronx.
Put down the pipe,
He’s not “becoming” anything. He’s 28 with two years of control. What you see is what you get: A little above average hitter with a bat-to-ball strength, combined with a below average fielder, sometimes well below average.
Agreed. He almost certainly just had his best career year—and it wasn’t all that great. Still, at least he’s 28, not 30. He might be worth a lineup spot until he hits FA.
Thanks seam the scout.
My top 3 teams for Bohm are:
Astros (if they don’t keep Bregman and opt to extend Tucker)
Royals (could push Garcia into utility role)
Mariners (obvious 3B hole)
Who are the royals or Astros trading?
A couple of Tacos and a Pepsi, but No thanks.
Taylor Ward for Bohm?
I don’t think a trade happens. Phils are openly shopping him because he’s one of the few pieces they can trade, but I really don’t see a fit.
Phils have a 2-3 year window. They need Bohm. Bregman would be an upgrade, but not for the years he wants. It makes more sense to keep Bohm and improve the OF.
Yeah i don’t understand how the Phillies trading a guy who is cheap with 2 years of control left and plays a position of need makes any sense at all.
How about the fact that Bohm really isn’t that great? Aside from a couple games where he tore the cap off, he’s nothing special. Was a complete void on my fantasy team aside from a few games last year
He’s good, not great. But you trade him you create a hole. It makes no sense.
It’s obviously dependent on them signing Bregman or Adames. I would guess when Adames’ agent mentioned he was willing to play 3rd, he was thinking of the Phils or Yanks.
So the Phillies are going to trade a 3 win 3b so they can sign a 3 win shortstop to play 3b and pay him more money?
Bregman wants too many years. Phils have a 3 year win-now window. One of their best prospects plays 3rd base. Bregman makes no sense.
Yeah not only does Miller play 3b his arrival time lines up perfectly with Bohms departure time.
Everything you stated is absolutely correct. I hope D D doesn’t trade Bohm.
The author of this piece ( Steve Adams), and a number of the commenters don’t understand
Bohm’s true value. He is now in his ” dead prime”, and is one of the better all around third basemen in the big leagues. Bohm has improved his defense enough to now be an average fielding third baseman.
That’s just funny.
Statcast likes his defense, but lord is Bohm slow.
Still, all of one season when he was actually worth a starting gig? Ugh.
Put down the crack pipe. Bohm, who averaged just 1.4 WAR from 2022-2024, is not in the top 10 3B.
He barely cracked the top 10 in 2024. Even that was only because a few that have been substantially better in 2022-2023 were injured in 2024. fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…
FG had him rated #8 last year. I think what people are missing is two things.
1-He was the overall #1/3 pick in the country. That means he has a resume.
2-He’s gotten better. And is only 28. It is more likely, imho, that Bohm will get better rather than worse.
Joe, the list of 1/1 that never amounted to anything is long. Last time I checked maybe 1 in 4 ever did. That Bohm went 1/3 means very little. Baseball is not the NFL or NBA where draftees go straight to the big league team.
Bohm has gotten better. He just had a career year at 3.0 WAR. He has a 0.7 WAR average in the 4 full seasons he has played. He’s not a good player. His peak is average or a little better.
Only problem is the top 2 OF behind Soto are Santander and Teoscar and the last thing this team needs is more swing and chase guys. You could trade Bohm to improve the outfield and then roll the dice with Bregman or Adames.
Castellanos a far better bat than Bohm, you can say his contract is unenviable but I’d much rather have Castellanos in my lineup. He hits a ton when he’s got it going.
Castellanos is a very poor defender and inconsistent hitter. Bohm is 100% the better player.
I don’t know, I listened to some Phillies games, Castellanos always raking.
Bohm looks like he doesn’t want to play, anyways that’s intangibles. Castellanos is a gamer.
Bohm has good numbers, good build, good pedigree, so why are the Phillies considering trading him when they have nobody to cover third in their pipeline? Clemens covering third? Edmundo Sosa?
Yeah that is the right question. They appear to really dislike him as a player, or maybe in the clubhouse.
They fill said hole with an insane addition like arenado
Bohm is also a subpar defender. I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as you make it.
Bohm was a subpar defender prior to 2024. In 2024 he was much much better.
Yeah I know. I watched every inning. He’s still a subpar defender. An improvement over terrible doesn’t mean good.
I keep seeing these comments about Caste
llanos being a “bad defender”. Yet, in pennant races, the playoffs and the World Series all Castellanos does in RF is dive, leap and make spectacular plays.
I think he gets a bad rap and that his defense is better than what many think.
And, the guy hits and hits in the clutch for that Phillies team.
20M per year seems like a reasonable salary for a player with his offensive and defensive production.
Casty just has no range. So when you watch him make diving plays you need to realize that’s a routine catch for most OFers.
Casty plays every game. No errors. I’ll take him anytime. Bohm is a head case.
Candelario for Bohm in a minute.
I’ll have whatever you’re on.
astros rotation depth???? lol
A team that nobody has said would be good fit would be Boston. He could spell Devers at 3b, Casas at 1B and DH. Bohm’s bat would be great addition to Bostons lineup. Especially with if they got Soto.
No, it wouldn’t.
Read a couple articles that had the RSOX getting Gallen and Keitle Marte from the D’Backs for Abreu, and a couple top 10 prospects. Don’t know how factual but you never know in the land of Hot Stove.
Seems a Royals kinda player but I think KC wants to go bigger and I think they should.
Bohm just isn’t an exciting player on either side of the ball. I believe he’ll get dealt to a mediocre team with salary limitations.
The Pirates cuz Ke’Bryan Hayes is not the answer at 3b?
Maybe the Tigers because—despite last year’s showing—they have mostly sketchy players, especially at 3b?
Hayes has back problems and that’s issue number one. But even when healthy, he’s shown that he’s a solid glove but will never be more than a middle of the road hitter with line drive type of power, at best. He’s still a sucker for a spin pitch off the outside corner and plays like he’d rather be anyplace else
How the Pirates signed him to a lengthy contract and called him the cornerstone of the franchise is mind numbing
He’s a clear fit for the A’s too. If they’re truly intending to add payroll and major league players, trades will be a better option for them. Signing FAs will be challenging with their current situation.
Their 3B depth chart is a pu pu platter of replacement players, so adding a solid everyday bat there would be a plus. Bonus if the apparent defensive improvements last year are real.
He’s an ideal fit here but trading prospects is the last thing the Angels need to do right now.
Keep adding minor league talent and wait for the Anderson and Rendon contracts to fall off the books. That’s over $50 million in spending capacity.
And pray that Moreno sells?
Every day
Give him spring training and a full season with Perry Hill and he will be a gold glove candidate at 3B. This is a fact.
Bohm’s stats are misleading. They look good on paper but amount to much ado about nothing, especially in the second half. He had one or two excellent games that ballooned his average. Phillies are smart to trade him, but I’m not sure who’s going to be a taker.
He had a hand injury in the 2nd half. Bohm is a very solid hitter, but lacking in power. He’s a subpar defender. All Star caliber bat without power and a subpar glove. Kind of a weird mix.
The Phillies are in clear win now mode. Trading a good player who is cheap doesn’t make sense. Trading an expensive player who isn’t good is what makes sense. Castellanos or Walker with prospects for something makes sense. But Trading Bohm makes no sense.
@Blackpink,
Especially considering the Phillies’ unfavorable payroll situation.
Yeah they have other needs why spend more at 3b when they need pen help and outfield help i don’t get it.
They’re further hamstrung by Wheeler’s three-year extension kicking in, with his AAV rising from $23M to $42M. Fantastic pitcher, but it’s like another FA salary with no additional production. Put this way: They now pay $60M annually for Wheeler and Walker.
As a Cardinals fan, are there any Phillies prospects that would interest you in exchange for Helsley?
I really dont think the Cardinals are trading Helsley until midseason if the team is out of it.
Miller. The Cardinals need a long term 3b. He’s worth more than Helsley is know that but thats who I would want.
The Phillies have one of the best rotations in baseball, they are not trading an All Star third baseman for 4-5 starter type. Especially with Painter working his way back. They are looking for starting outfielders and possibly a closer.
Very clearly let me say this: they will not deal Bohm for a prospect package, they are a WS contending team they are not going backwards,, they won’t deal Bohm for some 4/5 starter type.
They would deal him if they can find a right handed hitting outfielder on par with Bohm who isn’t 35yrs old and isn’t being severely overpaid.
This is one of those good old fashion baseball trades. We will upgrade your LF or CF for you upgrading our 3rd base. If not they are gonna keep him another year. They are not giving him away as most of these Trade rumors suggest. By the end of 2025 they will have a better idea on Miller or Otto Kemp as a replacement. They could trade Bohm before 2026 and get something then
Nah. They’re gonna dump him. They appear to be determined for some reason.
You listen to too much Philly radio which is pure gossip. Phils have no interest in trading Bohm to “dump” him. They just let teams know he’s available because they’re open to being creative and Bohm is one of the few valuable trade assets. That doesn’t mean he gets traded at all. He’s extremely well-liked in the clubhouse.
They’re selling high is what they’re doing, and just as Bohm’s salary is maturing—about $8m for 2025. He’s had one good year as of age 27. That’s it.
The acquiring team shouldn’t be surprised if they get one 1-2 WAR year, and one year that’s worse than that. Fielding stats are notoriously fickle, as reliable as 1/3 of a season at the plate, and they tend to peak in a player’s early 20s. Did Bohm suddenly get a lot better in the field at 27 for some reason, or did he just get lucky? He’s too slow to have done it all on his own hook. Call it 2/3rds luck.
I wouldn’t deal anything of significance for him.
If that’s the case, they should just sign Profar.
Fans that don’t see Bohm play everday don’t seem to have much understanding at all of his value. Like you said, D D isn’t trading Bohm for any kind of prospect package. If he is traded it will be for a starting right handed hitting lf, or a very good reliever.
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Most fans that post here don’t see any MLB games. Maybe some highlights. But most look at spreadsheets…..
And most that do watch some games don’t understand fundamental baseball: What defenders and baserunners are supposed to do on each play. They understand the pitcher throws the ball, the batter hitting (or not) the ball, and the defender doing something with the ball if it’s hot to him. One guy told me that 2B was an easy position because all the 2B did was catch a grounder and make a short throw to the 1B. They like to bander about WAR because that makes reading the spreadsheet easy.
He really isn’t an all star third baseman. It most likely will never happen again. He was extremely hot for an extremely hot team for two months. I would rank NL third baseman
1 Austin Riley
2.Mark Vientos
3. Manny Machado
4. Matt Chapman
5. Max Muncey
6. Nolan Arenado
7. Alec Bohm
Lol. No Mets bias here.
Ar you saying you wouldn’t take. Vientos all day every day over Bohm?
Vientos ahead of Chapman, whose 2018-2024 sums to 35.2 bWAR versus Soto’s 36.4 bWAR?
Think I’ll stick with Chapman for a few more years over Saggy D.
Definitely not what I said. I’d take Vientos over Bohm next season, but Machado and Chapman? Come on.
No way I would take either one of those mid 30’s declining players over a 24 year old Vientos.
I’m a Mets fan and wouldn’t put Vientos up there. One year of offense and bad D. I’d put Henderson, Devers, and Jung over him alone. And Muncy in the top 5? That’s comical.
I absolutely wouldn’t.
Well Henderson, Devers and Jung are all in the America. League.
I said in a season. Obviously, you take a 24 year old long term. You had Vientos ranked higher than them now. That’s insanity.
Insanity? I would bet he has a better year next year than they do. He was the best offensive 3b in the National league.
You overrate Vientos, who also got hot for a couple of months. All of the players you list after him have better track records.
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You overrate Vientos, who also got hot for a couple of months.
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His OPS was > .800 every month but September.
No way. He had high .900 OPS seasons all through the high minors too. The Mets were the fifth worst team in baseball before he got called up and the best after. He had the highest OPS in the National League for 3b and is going to keep getting better at 24.
Nolan Arenado is toast.
Lmao! What?! Manny Machado is MUCH better than Vientos both with the bat, and the glove. (I’d put Manny ahead of Riley too).
They had the same WAR with Vientos being called up in the middle of May. I would take a 24 year old Vientos over Machado at this stage of their careers.
Of Machado’s 151 starts, 51 were at DH. Machado still had a slightly higher WAR as a 3B than Vientos who has 8 more starts at the position.
Machado is better.
Mets, you ranked him 3 positions too high.
Well, vientos did have the third best WRC+ of all mlb 3b. And watching him, his defense wasnt that bad. Limited range, but in watching the games, the reality is that had very little impact on game outcomes, but his bat definitely did. And he wasnt that streaky, he was over 800 ops every month except the last one when he still hit 6 HR, just much lower avg and obp. And in playoffs he was a beast.
I don’t get the hate from Padres fans. We heard how great Jackson Merrill is and Vientos had better offensive numbers than him. Vientos has 40-50 hr power will still being an overall really good hitter. He was as clutch or more clutch than anyone in baseball. The Mets went from horrible to the best record in baseball after he arrived.
Because he simply not a better player than Manny Machado, and you claimed he is. You then went on to bring Merrill into the conversation where you claimed that Vientos’ numbers were better..which was also false.
Will Vientos get there soon? Possibly. But what you said was wrong on both counts, and we’re just letting you know that.
Manny Machado isn’t that good. He is lazy and doesn’t run and leads the league in grounding into double plays. I actually was being nice and overrated him. The Padres see this and only played him 100 games at third last year. Vientos OPS was .837 and Merrill’s was .826. I wasn’t wrong about anything.
I dont think WAR is the end all, be all, but vientos, even w his below average defense, had a 2.9 war in 111 games. In 152 games, manny was at 3.6. If vientos had come up earlier and had the 200 extra PA machado had, his war would’ve been over 4 at that pace. So by that measure, he was better.
Vientos had an 838 ops in one of the worst hitters parks in baseball.
Bwar had them both at 3.1 for the year.
Offense is only half the game. Defense matters.
4.4 WAR and .292/.326/.500/.826
vs
3.1 WAR and .266/.322/.516/.837
.255/.314/.422/.735 with RISP and .194/.214/.463/.677 Late and Close
High leverage was not so good either .246/.286/.508/.793
You may have read that Merrill set a record all time for 21 year old players in HR in the 8th and 9th innings of games. Pretty clutch.
.268/.293/.420/.714 with RISP and .276/.364/.618/.982 Late and Close
High leverage was very good at .275/.318/.608/.926
The Mets record was 13-12 on April 26th and Vientos 1st game was April 27th.
Lindor was hitting .198 with a .626 OPS through that game and went on a tear hitting .292 with a .914 OPS and 152 OPS+, 28 HR, and 25 SB after that. Pretty sure he had more of an effect on the team taking off than a good but not great 3B. Almost forgot. Lindor had 6 of his 12 errors for the season by the end of April.
Ma, Petco is a worse hitters park and Machado had 51 games as a DH. Machado is simply better.
Wrong, but thanks for at least trying.
Another average infielder for the Jays? Makes sense, we don’t have enough.
The starting third baseman for the National league, is now where near an ” average infielder”!! Bohm is also in his dead prime years.
He was elected because the Phillies got off to a crazy start. The Phillies want to move him for a reason.
Again, you’re not dealing with facts. There is no proof that the Phillies are looking to move Bohm any more than they’d be looking to move another player.
History-He was elected because Manny Machado was hurt, and only DH’ing early in the year, and Austin Reilly was also hurt/had a rough start.
Be real.
It may seem harsh to accuse a site with “rumors” in the title as offering click bait but this isn’t the best piece. As a commenter noted, Bohm was an All Star based on his performance in the first half and played with an injured hand for part of the second half. He’ll come back healthy. He replied “yes” when asked if he was confident he’d be back in Philly in ’25. I think that’s based on more than his personal point of view. 2025 could be his last year in Philly depending on what prospect Aidan Miller shows this year.
“Dead prime years.” Yeah, that’s actually sorta true for Bohm, who just had his ‘career year.’
Tigers do not need a LF except when Riley Greene takes a day at DH.
Yes, that was puzzling why they wrote that nonsense.
Bohm isn’t going anywhere. He’s younger and much more affordable than Arenado and Bregman, and his stats are significantly better. Bohm is still learning the game. So, he’s still projecting upwards, whereas Arenado’s best days are behind him and Bregman has already peaked. So, the question is how much is a young, $8 million a year, clutch 280 hitter with 98 RBIs in 2024, solid defender, and NL All-Star starter worth? The answer is – a lot more than he’s getting paid and too much for a team like the Phillies to part with. The only way Bohm will leave the Phillies before they win a championship is by demanding a trade. I don’t see that happening. Schwarber, Realmuto and Suarez are free agents after 2025. They are all replaceable, as is Walker. These are the guys the Phils need to trade – not guys like Bohm, who essentially carried the Phils, offensively and defensively, for most of the 2024 season.
2022-2024
Bregman 13.6 WAR
Bohm 4.3 WAR
2024
Bregman 4.1 WAR
Bohm 3.0 WAR
Who was better?
Who was better for their dollar value should be the question.
The question should be who was better, period. When you ask which guy contributed more to his team winning, you don’t ask but what was the dollar value per win. All you want is your team to win. Bregman has contributed more than 3 times as much to his team winning than Bohm has.
Pads, I don’t think there is any question of who is better. Bregman is one of the best in baseball at 3B. Bohm is a mediocre player who has had one halfway decent season out of 5.
The Astros look like the best fit. They’re going to need the remaining cap space for an upgrade at first and more rotation depth. Bohm was actually worth 3 outs above average last season. The infield defense will survive.
Astros don’t have anything to trade to make ‘the best fit’
I’ve defended Rojas and Berti as better values than Polanco, but definitely not Bohm.
The fact that Jim Crane has refused to publicly commit to exceeding the CBT threshold, combined with the exploration of alternatives like the aforementioned Polanco, says to me their goal is to reset the luxury tax burden.
The Astros need a third basemen and the Phillies need a 5 starter so it’s a clear need for need trade. No one ever said it was going to be painless. Dana Brown hasn’t shown the greatest knack for constructing a roster.
No thank you.
OAA only represents the players range, not his defense as a whole. Look at DRS for that.
The Phillies would be wise to hold onto Bohm. I could see them trading Bohm to get a RH OF that is solid. Maybe go get a CF that is more stable that can hit a little and provide plus defense. That is really their big need for position players.
There are plenty of decent veteran arms they could go get to improve their 4th spot in the rotation. Dombrowski hates relievers but I could see moving him for two good young bullpen arms but I don’t see Dombrowski doing that.
@Goose No one’s going to be that kind to Dombo. Some of you wildly overrate Bohm, who just had his best year at 27—his ONLY year, really, where he was deserving of a lineup slot.
0.9 bWAR in 2020-2023. He was barely replacement level. Barely. But now he’s being pitched as a valuable starter, sure to continue at his 2024 level. Even his best case puts him about around $20m in two arb awards and putting up 4-5 WAR. He’s not worth one serious prospect, never mind two, not even two bullpen arms.
The dude has improved every year. He’s likely to continue improving over the next few years before leveling off. I don’t think people are over valuing him. He’s just a weird player. He’s an RBI machine, but has no power. He is a subpar defender with a decent bat, but you don’t get the dingers. It’s hard to find a good trade partner. I think the Phils are better off keeping him. That’s too much talent to give away for free, but not enough talent to warrant a huge return.
Bohm is best suited for Philadelphia. If the Phillies traded him, they would replace him with a more expensive 3B. Why not keep Bohm and spend the money on an outfield masher like Santander? In addition to lengthening the lineup, it would free up money so they can address their bullpen needs.
Bohm hasnt ever liked being in Philly. He is better suited for a small market team. His trade value is decent right now. The Phillies should move on from him.
You don’t know for a fact that Bohm dislikes Philadelphia. He’s more valuable to the Phillies than anyone else on the field. And it’s doubtful he’d bring much of a haul on the trade market. The Phillies should keep him and make roster upgrades in other areas.
Do you get your news from a gossip tabloid? Stick to facts.
I find the logic in the “matches” very confusing. The Phillies do need to replace Hoffman/Estevez in the back of the rotation, and they do need back of the rotation help, but why would they look to fill those gaps in trades when the free agent market has a ton of options? They’re much more likely to resign Hoffman or Estevez (probably Hoffman) and then grab a few guys on minor league deals or a Verlander bounceback candidate type.
It’s much more likely the Phillies look to fill their outfield gap (or replace Bohm) by trading Bohm. So who wants a cheap 3b/1b/DH for two years? Contending clubs with financial limitations. To me, that makes the Mariners, Angels, Tigers, Royals, Guardians, and maybe Padres potential partners. Of those teams, who has an outfielder or 3B who is contact-first (the type of hitter the Phillies are looking for)?
The obvious fit to me is Bohm to the Padres for Luis Arraez. Arraez is not a STELLAR defensive LF or 3B, but the Phils might be willing to do it. Angels sending Taylor Ward to the Phillies for Bohm and a prospect would make sense too.
There are other fits. But this article seems to think the Phillies would move Bohm just for the sake of moving him. If they’re moving on from him, they’re doing it to address their most important needs that can’t be addressed adequately in free agency.
Padres don’t need a 3B that is defensively inept. They have a really, really good one.
Arraez is far too high of a price for a DH like Bohm. Arraez has had a much, much higher WAR (10.1) over the last 3 seasons than Bohm (4.3), has been better on defense, and the only reason Arraez had so low of WAR this season was a torn thumb ligament and playing DH a big chunk of the year. Bohm will be back around 0.4-0.9 WAR with a league average bat once he is moved to 1B/DH full time where he belongs. Arraez is more valuable in trade even if he is expected to make $6 million more than Bohm in arbitration.
Arraez is more of a DH-type than Bohm if DH means mainly hitting singles. Also, Bohm is nowhere near as bad a defender as you make him out to be. I live in the Philly area and have watched him up close quite a bit. I prefer him defensively over whichever position you try to hide Arraez.
Arraez has been roughly league average with a 4 DRS at 2B the last 3 seasons vs Bohm’s -27 DRS at 3B. Bohm IS that bad of a defender. The stats are clear.
Also the difference in value in WAR is clear the last 3 seasons.
10.1 for Arraez vs 4.3 for Bohm.
As a self professed Dodger’s fan, not sure why you are trying to defend Bohm. This is not close. Arraez is far more valuable.
He could be a part of a Garret Crochet trade.
No, he couldn’t.
Sure he could if the Phillies were willing to throw in several top prospects or Andrew Painter and a mid level prospect.
Crawford would be the centerpiece there. While the Phils farm system is not the best, they have a handful of very valuable prospect. Crawford is a beast for example.
After May, he was nothing special.
He doesn’t move the needle for competitive teams.
He should stay put.
2018 was bad draft year in first round.
Shopping him’s fine. They’re selling high. Someone may bite and that frees the Phillies for a significant upgrade.
Caveat emptor
This is going to be a straight up Phillis and Angels trade. John for Ward. Angels then have a 3B and a right handed first baseman if Shuanel struggles. They can then move Trout to Left Field. Phillies get the outfield help they need.
Brewers, Angels & Astros are probably the best fits. I think the Brewers and Phillies should be in talks.
Bohm is a DH that had to play 3B for the Phillies because Harper and Schwarber needed to be a DH more .
Bohm doesn’t hit for enough power to be a DH on any roster.
Keep: Ranger, Stott & Marsh.
Trade (if possible) Castellanos, Walker & Rojas.
I’ve suggested a couple plans of action – trade Taijuan Walker for Myles Straw, Kris Bryant or attach him to the Bohm trade with the Mariners and take back Mitch Haniger or eat some salary.
Honestly, there has never been a better time to trade for Mike Trout. The nostalgia after the disappointing finishes the last few years would rejuvenate the fan base. Not to mention we need big RH OF bat. If the Phillies took on the entirety of that contract, maybe the Angels at least take Walker and Castellanos, who make $37 million combined for each of the next two seasons. Trout makes $37 million per year. At least it would buy the Phillies two more years when JT & Schwarbs are inevitably gone, and we get rid of our two worst contracts. I mean, Walker would be like #3 starter for them and Castellanos would hit cleanup – so it’s not like the Angels are admitting rebuild to their fans and getting a trash return. Plus the Phillies would include some useful players like Johan Rojas, maybe Kody Clemens, Mercado, Abel – just not the top 5 or 6 prospects because it’s not worth the contract of Trout (in most people’s opinions, not mine). There’s a lot of value to long term payroll flexibility though, to the Phillies fab trading partners. Major League Baseball that we all love, would be better because of it too.
If the Angels were to trade Trout, they could do much better than the bloated contracts and table scraps you suggest. General managers from other teams are not sitting around thinking, “Gee. How can I help the Phillies get better?”
Mets would be a Jim Carrey longshot. Vientos is no worse defensively than Brohm and Mauricio is more likely to be playing the position (or BB) than anyone else.
Pirates trade for him sending pitching back. He plays 3B, Hayes plays SS, and IKF is Super U. All that’s left is to sign the Polar Bear, and look out Dodgers!
File this under Pirates Fantasy Baseball.
Seems like a move that would be made in 2009, trade the underwhelming higher upside 3b Bohm for and aging Arenado to keep your injured list comfortable
What about the Cardinals, if they move Arenado? Bohm is not a bad player. And Steve you don’t feel they could get a high-end closer for Bohm? Speaking of the Cards, what about their closer? He only has one year of control vs two for Bohm.
Trout for bohm and 2 prospects – depending on the level of the prospects angels pay some to half pf trouts salary. Thats the way angels can re like and right hand hitting of named trout as everyone knows loves Philly where he and his wife and their families are from and live Aidan miller 2 years away at 3rd. Trea turner is seating to play outfield the last 3-5 years of his career
Seating =destined
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
I really don’t see Bohm being taken out from formidable lineup protection and actually being a better offensive player. I mean you go from having hitters like Bryce Harper, Trea Turner and Schwarber hitting behind you to a lineup like the M’s or Cardinals have and your gonna all of a sudden be a better and more potent hitter? I don’t think so…..
I’d love for the yankees to get him not sure what they’d have to give up but he’s good and a upgrade assuming Torres is gone and I don’t know if yanks will ever play their prospects lol
I’m catching this late, but I’m surprised Bohm’s hand issue from the HBP wasn’t mentioned. It could help explain his struggles down the stretch (once he returned from the IL).
Anyway, he absolutely makes sense for the Mariners if the asking price is rational.
I think Bohm and Walker for Luis Castillo makes sense. Mariners get their 3B and get out of Castillos contract a few years early, while only having to deal with Walkers deal for 2 seasons. Maybe they will get even more creative and add Munoz for a few prospects centered around Mick Abel. He is from the Pacific Northwest, young with great stuff, that I am sure the Mariners could develop.
Mason miller is from PA and grew up a Phillies fan. A’s are in market for 3b help. Possible match there
Not quite. Trout is high priced oft injured superstar the angels need to off load because they aren’t a legit contender. 34 years old with 10 and 5 trade right. Miller is almost none of those things
The Tigers are not offloading their top farm system talent (Jace Jung) at below wholesale value for a couple of years of Alec Bohn.
Not seeing a match there.
If the Astros don’t resign Bregman and actually have interest in Bohm, I’d love to see Philly work something out involving Bohm and Spencer Arrighetti. That dude seems like a rising star
Who has more trade value… Bohm or Brett Baty?
Bohm to the Angels for Taylor Ward..
Angels get 3b and 1b help. They can put Rengifo at SS until Neto is healthy or at 2b full time.
Phillies get to move on from Bohm. Get a decent hitting LF and $$ to sign additional help.
Why do the Tigers need to look at left field when Riley Greene let American League left fielders in Ops and won the Fielding Bible award?
Is Bohm any better than Vierling? Ehhhhh…
Weak analysis
What about a bohm, castellanos and a prospect for arenado and helsley?
Jo Adell and Chase Silseth (or Jack Kochanowicz) for Bohm.
He’s an Omaha guy , he’s bound for KC , Carter Jensen or either Kudnra or Mozzicato , plus maybe two low level guys , River Town , Vaz , Rocoforte , Devin Mann shown get it done
Nick Castellanos (and his full contract), Alec Bohm & Brandon Marsh to the Tigers for Jace Jung, Casey Mize & what else?