It has been about two weeks since Nolan Arenado used his no-trade clause to veto a proposed deal that would’ve seen the veteran third baseman go from the Cardinals to the Astros. The next step in the Cards’ efforts to trade Arenado remain unclear, as The Athletic’s Will Sammon and Katie Woo report that “there has been minimal traction on Arenado’s front since the Astros deal fell through.”
The lack of activity isn’t exactly surprising given how many factors complicate any potential deal. The Rockies are covering $10MM of the remaining $74MM owed to Arenado over the last three years of his contract, and some deferred money involved in the contract reportedly makes Arenado’s remaining salary worth $60MM in present-day money. That’s still a big chunk of change that the Cardinals are looking to mostly shed from their payroll, leaving a fairly limited number of possible suitors who have both payroll space and a need at third base.
To the latter point, Arenado has indicated a willingness to change positions, as his agent Joel Wolfe told reporters during the Winter Meetings. Arenado is ultimately in the driver’s seat in these negotiations due to his no-trade protection, and past reports have indicated that he would okay a deal to the Phillies, Mets, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, or Padres, though it appears this list of preferred destinations is somewhat fluid.
In fact, Houston was on an initial version of that list, as Woo and Chandler Rome wrote earlier this month. The Astros’ trade of Kyle Tucker just a few days before the proposed Arenado trade reportedly gave him pause about going to Houston, which is why he invoked his no-trade clause at the time. However, the door wasn’t entirely closed on a potential deal, as Sammon and Woo write that Arenado “was willing to revisit the Astros after further clarity developed in his market (namely, Alex Bregman signing).”
The Astros ended up moving on from both Arenado and Bregman, as they instead signed Christian Walker as their new everyday first baseman, thus pushing Isaac Paredes (acquired in the Tucker deal with the Cubs) across the diamond as the new regular third baseman. Even with his former team now out of the running, Bregman is still garnering plenty of interest, as such clubs as the Tigers, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Phillies, and Mets have all been linked to him this winter. Reports have been somewhat mixed about the Yankees’ interest in either Arenado or Bregman, as the primary hold-up in Arenado’s case being New York’s unwillingness to take on the bulk of his remaining salary.
The overlap between Bregman’s market and Arenado’s reported trade preference list is likely why Arenado’s situation hasn’t much changed in the last couple of weeks, as it might take Bregman signing to spark renewed interest in teams returning to trade talks with the Cardinals. If Arenado can’t be traded at all, St. Louis could simply bring him back for the coming season and perhaps explore deals later — even as early as the trade deadline, as a hot start from Arenado could help erase any worries a suitor might have about his average offensive numbers from the last two seasons.
Keeping Arenado even for the short term doesn’t solve the Cardinals’ desire to cut payroll, however, so Sammon and Woo write the Cards would then likely put a better emphasis on trading a starting pitcher to save some money. Sonny Gray has indicated he isn’t going to waive his own no-trade protection and Andre Pallante is still in his arbitration-eligible years, leaving Miles Mikolas (owed $16MM in 2025), Steven Matz ($12.5MM) or Erick Fedde ($7.5MM) as the top trade chips. It seems likely that St. Louis would be open to moving Mikolas or Matz with or without an Arenado trade, though Sammon and Woo note that the Cardinals would prefer to keep Fedde until closer to the deadline, if they move him at all.
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Simm (and othe SD fans) – how about taking on Arenado at $10/AAv trading from middle of top 30 prospects. Putting him at 1b and middle of order, frees up trade of Arreaz which saves approx $4 mil in 24 for somewhat comparable prospect coming back.
Overall netting a negative on prospect but savings that helps pay for a back up C or Solano / Peralta.
D at 1b improves, Cro at 2b and Bog at SS.
Just have to sign JP for LF and wait for Roki to decide to come and pretty much set with some young guys filling it out.
With limited funds, no plan is perfect but this avoids decimating remaining prospects and keeps $ in line (at least as close as possible).
You’re dreaming on Arenado at $10 million AAV. St. Louis will keep him rather than pay him that much to play elsewhere.
I don’t understand why they aren’t willing to eat a larger portion for a solid prospect return.
Payne, I’ll assume CardsFan knows more about his team than I do for this particular player but yes, a typical scenario involving a high salary player is the better the prospect return, the more the team is paying down and vice versa. It’s considered almost like purchasing a prospect.
If they don’t pay down to 10/aav, they won’t get a very high return and well, maybe they are ok with that. I think SD can afford prospects they would likely have to give to get that done. I don’t think they are a player at 15/20 AAV even though they would lose a lot less prospects.
Actually, doing it at 10/AAV likely only works by simultaneously shedding Arreaz’s salary.
The question is likely to be answered in the coming weeks.
@Payne Train
Because the Astros want to trim payroll. If it was about getting the best prospect while eating a chunk of salary, Arenado would’ve been traded already.
Long- this is all true. I could see the padres possibly doing something like that. For the cards it would be about freeing up 10m and getting prospects back.
It’s not looking all that great that Arenado can be traded and his full contract. Though we do know the number one reason they want to love him is to save money. Probably can find a team that will take on more than 10m. Of course he also has to approve a trade and he may not to that team.
From the padres side the downfall is how long is the 10m? One year all 3 years? I don’t really see the cards eating 30m. Perhaps they would eat 10m for the first season. Though for tax purposes the aav would be more.
It’s an interesting thought but seems rather complicated. Which means a not likely. Padres could just trade cronenworth to the card for him. Play Arraez at second even if he does suck a little there. This would add payroll but they could still trade Arraez. Could sign the new hsk to play short and move Xander to second. 20m Arenado – 11m cron, -15m Arraez, plus 6m padres…sign new HSK…even again. HSK, Xander, Arenado vs Xander, cron, Arenado or Xander cron Arraez. Anyways none of them are likely.
We don’t know that. It’s December. Holidays and such, plus waiting for Bregman to sign, making Arenado the top 3B. Still way early.
Cards seem to be looking for something similar to the Bellinger trade. New team takes on the majority of the money while sending back outright organizational depth. Problem is Nolan has 3 years left and is getting old while Belli had 1, maybe 2, remaining and is still in his prime years
Oh – that’s is a fair comp and why I think Cards have to eat a larger chunk just to get middle of road prospects. Also, his no trade rights will severely limit their options as well.
Maybe they end up sitting on him hoping for rebound for trade deadline.
In the end it’s about saving money and they alone can determine if saving 10 mil / year (for example) for 3 years is worth it.
I don’t think SD makes the trade unless it’s that much though. Yes, other teams have ability to ask for less but, he may not accept that trade.
It’s a conundrum for them for sure.
Never happen.1-St Louis is on hook for $60 for 3 and you want St Louis to pay that down to $30 and take a top 30 minor leaguer? Why would they do that.. Top 30 minor leaguer doesn’t help rebuild and give $30 mill. What team would do that. 2- With all the money thrown around, You don’t think he’s NOT ASKING FOR AN EXTENTION. 3-If St Louis was going to pay to $10 avv the Yankees and Mets would offer a top 10 minor leaguer. 4- Arreaz has to be moved 1st and SD hasn’t had many offers.
Met – if you haven’t read my original post “from the middle of top 30 prospects” – allows for more than 1 and not just a top 30 but maybe a top 12-15 or 2 of them.
Why do it? Save 30 mil as opposed to paying 40 mil for last 2 years of a declining player. That is incentive enough.
Extension – he can want it but he is older, declining and has 3 years on current contract. No one get an extension like that.
As for Mets / Yankees top 10 – maybe theh would and maybe that is enough. However, not all teams farms are the same so a 12 on team A might be as good as a 10 on Team B.
You don’t move Arreaz first, but you do get it lined up.
How would you know what they have or have not been offered for any player?
1-Well per MLB, minor leaguer rankings METS #6, YANKEES #7 & SD #26. So the Yankees or Mets #10 is considered a better prospect then 12-15 on SD. 2-if any team picks up half ($30) they’re not taking #12-15 from #26 rank. That’s not rebuilding. Cub are just paying $5 million of Bellinger contract but you think St Louis will pay $30. 3-How is He an upgrade at 1B over a 3 time batting champ and more then double the cost because he’s never played 1B. 4- If you don’t move Arreaz first then you’ll get nothing for a 3 time batting winner. 5-if he ok at deal only NY, LA, Boston, big market teams because he’s going to want an extension BUT WAIT, you said he can’t expect that because “Older and Declining” but an upgrade over a batting champ the last 3 years and on the rise. If he leaves St Louis it’s to a big market.
Met – you will just have to figure it out without me. I can’t keep up with you.
Met- I could argue against almost everything said. The one I will waste my time doing so is the Arraez trade part. If the padres acquired Arenado first that wouldn’t hurt arraez’s value at all. The padres currently have no DH and that’s where Arraez played most of last year. They would still be better off keeping him.
Also the difference between a 10th and 12th org ranked prospect isn’t much. Most all of their value will come down to the teams view on them. The rankings are not the same with each front office and they definitely aren’t the same as some sites ranking. Especially the lower you get into a teams system. Also team prospects rankings change pretty quickly.
Once again in the end I don’t see the padres as a real fit.
Hope the Padres make that deal so that I don’t have to hear from Dodger fans how much they want Arenado. But I doubt the Cards are going to eat that munch money for a lottery ticket.
Update: Arenado is my 3B right now on my dynasty team. If he gains 1B eligibility I can slide him there opening up 3rd for Matt Shaw (if he’s ready) .
Update: No one cares about your fantasy team other than you. It’s OK to love it, but don’t expect the same from others. That is why it is YOUR fantasy.
with an Arenado/Shaw combination you’ve got a lock on the basement, again
It’s not his fantasy team, it’s his dynasty team.
Completely different.
@ Simm. Exactly!
The lack of news is itself news when it comes to a team actively shopping a well known player.
Looks like they’ll have to keep him and hope he does well enough to make a trade at the deadline possible.
show – Yes that is the logical approach, just like the Red Sox with Yoshida. Give them a chance to re-establish their value, if they do then teams will be willing to take on much more of the contract.. A team would have to be crazy to take a chance right now on Arenado having a bounce-back with that contract of his.
Breslow insisted again yesterday that Devers is the starting 3B, so the Sox trading for Arenado seems highly unlikely.
Fever, I take lightly what any GM says as it would hurt their leverage to state otherwise until another move is made. I pray they don’t keep Devers at third. As for Yoshida, he hit well just not with power due to his injury and I expect he’ll be fine. Unfortunately, his speed and range can’t be fixed with another procedure…
dewey – Normally I agree we can’t trust what the Red Sox FO says, but to say Devers is their 3B and then immediately move him? That would rightfully set him off.
He’s not a rookie, a fringe player or a guy on an expiring contract. They can’t publicly lie to him about his role next year. Sorry but moving Devers now is a pipe dream, unless he is physically unable to play the position and he is in on the lie. Highly unlikely though.
Unless they’re idiots (no comment needed), the discussion has already been held. He’s being paid to be a two way superstar which he is not and never was. He just needs to act like a leader in his own way. Such means to understand the team is better if he is not playing third.
dewey – So you think Devers is in on the lie, okay that’s fair.
Time will tell.
does that suggest they’re out on bregman?
I bet Houston was going to give a quality package for him ! They were going to get him for less than 15 per as StL was going to eat a ton of money. So they were sending atleast 2 quality prospects back.
Arenados value is established and StL has the right of it getting prospects back, he just needs to be willing to accept a trade
The problem with that suggestion is that he will still have the no trade clause at the deadline. It’s very limiting on the Cardinals options. Their only solution is to go into 100% complete rebuild mode and PUBLICLY let it be known that they are going to be rebuilding for the remainder of Arenado’s contract. He has proven that he will whine his way out of town at that point. Then after he is traded, you can either rebuild or not. It won’t matter because he will be gone.
I still can’t believe the Astros would rather have Christian Walker and Isaac Paredes, than Kyle Tucker, Alex Bregman and Nolan Arenado. What is wrong with Dana Brown and Jim Crane?
Tally up the payroll on each of those alternatives, and I think you’ll see their reasoning – whether or not you agree with it.
They r trying to sustain there winning ways but realize doing so includes staying within self imposed payroll constraints. Tricky.
They didn’t prefer that.They tried to re-sign Bregman, tried to acquire Arenado (he used his no-trade clause), and they certainly tried to extend Tucker.
But budgets play a role and the players have a say in their long-term plans.
You sound like a 3 year old who doesn’t understand why their parents don’t live in a mansion.
Snap!
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I still can’t believe the Astros would rather have Christian Walker and Isaac Paredes, than Kyle Tucker, Alex Bregman and Nolan Arenado.
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Why would the Astros rather have Bregman and Arenado? They both play the same position.
Once Bregman signs his market will open up.
No it won’t, Mozeliak has already shown they care about moving as much of that contract as he can and there are no takers. As a Tiger fan do you want it.
Hard no on that. Arenado is a good player but if the Tigers miss on Bregman I hope they shoot for Kim instead.
Arenado is only going somewhere where left field plays to his advantage. That’s not Saint Louis and it’s not surely not Detroit. Houston would have been perfect for him to rebound with Lee home runs at the expense of average. Boston and San Diego would be two other good options for him.
How’s the market going to open up when there’s only 6 teams on his list in the first place ?
Sone of those teams are supposedly still in on Bregman on paper. Some are looking at Santander as well which could impact taking on another big contract.
The Red Sox continue to insist that they are comfortable with Devers at 3B (even if their fans aren’t always), which pretty much rules out Arenado or Bergman as options. Neither makes sense for the Red Sox at second base (where they have Campbell pushing Grissom) and they would be much less valuable at 1B or DH.
Possible that the Red Sox are blowing smoke to avoid driving up the price, but it is possible that they truly have no interest in moving Devers. The rumors surrounding Casas earlier this season seem to suggest otherwise, but maybe things have changed? Also possible that they were considering a variety of options that would have pushed Devers off 3B but decided that none of them make sense for the team – and thus they are doing their best to express confidence in the only option remaining.
Raffy is our 3B, Casas is our 1B and the roster is pretty much set. I wouldn’t expect many more move to the ML roster. They might add some reclamation project to the staff, but they have enough cheap lotto tickets to head to Ft Myers.
If they could have moved casas for a worthwhile package- they would have moved devers to 1st and prob signed Bregman. Ship sailed with all these pitchers they signed thou. Their roster is set
Yeah, that’s kind of how I’m seeing it. The problem is that the roster as set is less than ideal. They don’t have a corner infielder on the bench (Casas and Devers are the only legit 1B/3B in the entire system) and they have a shortage of RHH power. They could easily end up with RHH at C, 2B, SS, and CF, which might seem to be a reasonably balanced lineup, but Wong and Rafaela are bottom-third hitters, Story is at best a #6, and Campbell/Grissom are more tablesetters than sluggers. Try turning that roster into a lineup, and either you stack the lefties or you end up with some RHH in the heart of the lineup who are badly out of place.
No disrespect but the roster better not be set as the pitchers need defense to save their arms. How many extra pitches have been thrown the last few seasons because Boston had the worst infield defense in the league? If Story can stay healthy, that would be a huge start but that is also a huge if.
The Sox have in-house options to fill 3B as well should they decide Devers can’t continue at 3rd. I do believe they will start the season with Devers at 3B. If he falters badly, they have multiple options, including sliding Story over to 3B and using either Rafaela or Mayer at SS. Also, Kristian Campbell has played some 3B as well.
Even if the Sox end up signing Bregman, I can see them going with Devers at 3B & Bregman at 2B to open the season. Then they could slide Bregman over to 3B should Raffy falter and fill in 2B with a multitude of players (Grissom, Campbell, Hamilton, Rafaela, etc). I really don’t believe Boston has much interest at all in Arenado at this point in time.
Thr Rockies are still paying part of the Arenado deal SMH…… And they gave Kris Bryant that deal after crying poor for having to trade Arenado if I’m a Rockies fan I personally would place flaming bags of dog crap under the front door of every executive and owner responsible.
Really they should be the Miami Marlin’s and have their fans not attend their games for crap moves like that.
In a league with a handful of completely ineptly lead teams, the Rockies still manage to surprise.
I had to look up Rockies attendance, it’s shocking they average more fans then the freaking Mets last 3-4 years.
They have a nice ballpark in a great area downtown.
Pirates to do too but they get a lot less fans.
@Reyday They have very loyal fans in Colorado.
But the problem is that they are usually loyal to the other team. Quite often Coors Field sounds like a road game for the Rockies. Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, Cardinals, Braves fans all love traveling to Colorado.
Lol. Monfort doesn’t care. Keep maintaining a good experience for ALL fans.
Agreed. Doesn’t make it fun for the REAL fans, but it is still absolutely correct.
Their money is just as green as Colorado fans’ money.
Only when their team is in town. You always want to go after the home fans because that team is ALWAYS playing.
I’m no fan of the Rockies front office, but they did not trade Arenado because they were crying poor. Arenado basically demanded to be traded. Was upset that the team was not spending more money to build a winner around him, for example by letting Trevor Story walk.
There is a somewhat concerning trend developing with Arenado now though, and I wonder how many teams are seeing it.
His forced departure from Colorado was understandable. He was unhappy with the teams direction so he forced his way out. Fine.
He went to the Cards who were a competitive team and he was going to be a big part of their next title. The first few years were promising, although no title to show for it. But the last two years, he’s played really poorly (the worst 2 year stretch of his career) and the team has missed the playoffs both years. Now he wants out again, but only to a select group of teams that set him up nicely for a title run (or like the Angels, are near home)?
Is Arenado a frontrunner where, when things are good, he’s good, but when things get rocky, he takes his ball and goes home?
Is that a player that a championship hopeful wants on their roster?
Arenado never said he wanted out of St. Louis. Mozeliak came to him after the Cards decided they were going to rebuild and Arenado told him that his preference was to stay in St. Louis. But if it came down to it, he would accept a trade to a small number of teams.
His play did the asking for him. If he had played well the last few years, they may have seen enough value to keep him.
Maybe. But the Cards wanted to trade Contreras and Gray too, and they were both excellent last year. It’s more about cutting payroll than on field performance.
Say what you want but Arenado earned the right to dictate where he plays. St. Louis agreed with the extension.
Same article, different day.
Arenado needs to play like an all star to make himself appealing. A hot start and some positive storylines would greatly increase his chances of getting his wishes.
Absent them paying down significant money, I don’t see him moving. His decline is concerning.
I want him over Bergman. Just gotta find a taker for Yoshida.
Funny cgallant but I agree with you. Both will in my view hit well in Fenway but I worry about the last few years of a deal with Bregman given it will be likely three more years at least.
Nobody wants Arenado, why would they? Not even his own team the Cardinals want anything to do with him? He’s a 64 million black hole they’re desperately trying to get rid of him.
Above league average hitter (albeit slightly) with power who still plays an elite 3B? Finished 2nd in MVP two years ago? I mean, he has plenty of value, it’s just that it’s less than what he makes. If they pay him down there would be plenty of takers.
I wish more posters could analyze things like this. Seems like everyone is a star or a bum. I think the Cards would have to show some money, but I also think Arenado is a viable players.
If the RS were to move Yoshi or Casas, I think Arenado at $14-15M per would be pretty reasonable.
Joe, totally agree. If you look at saberstats, playing 81 games in Fenway and it may look like he rebounded yet it could be basically the same contact. With that glove, he’s still worth it to me but Yoshida who I still believe in as a hitter has to be traded.
Arrenado doesn’t fit for the Cardinals anymore. He’s being shopped by the team because of his salary, and because they have Walker and Gorman who both fit better at 3B. He has not asked to be traded, but is cooperating with the team, if he gets moved to a team of his preference, which St.Louis gave him the right to do.
If you squint you can see Arenado as a moderately better version of Gio Urshela in terms of overall value – and Urshela just signed a deal for $1.5mm.
He’s definitely not worth $20mm a year, and he’s almost certainly not worth even half of that.
Delusional
You can dislike Arenado but your comment doesn’t reflect reality.
Delusional? Nah. Nuts is more like it
If they are willing to take Walker and a couple mid level prospects, Alec Bohm better get used to LF.
They want to shed money not take on dead money in walker too
$64 million is greater than $36 million
3 years is longer than 2 years.
Arenado has more value than taking on that much dead money from Walker. Cards don’t have any room in the rotation to see if Walker has anything left either. I think they’d rather just dump $50MM+ and get little to nothing back. Doesn’t make sense for them.
TL;DR: He’s cooked.
I’ll sign him to a 3 year $175 dollar contract. He can wash the dishes every night and help the kids with their math homework.
He feels destined to Boston if they can move Casas for an arm.
As a Yankee fan I enthusiastically hope you’re right.
The Red Sox were trying for something like that at one point, but the Buehler signing closed the door on that possibility. Giolito is saying he’ll be ready for a full spring training, which at this point gives them six quality starters fighting for a job. Last thing they need to do is to trade away a 1B they can’t replace for a seventh SP they don’t need.
The moves Boston has made with pitching is short-term. They would consider moving Casas for a pitcher like him with several years of control.
Has anyone heard what the payroll target is for the Cardinals for 2025? They are now an estimated 147 million, down from 183 million with Arenado. It appears from all of the articles I have read that everyone is available so the target must be considerably lower.
The plan is there is no plan. The Mo middle finger to the fans tour is coming to an end.
I don’t think it’s a target. It’s an opportunity to free up 3rd for Gorman or Walker and free up some salary in the process. Just kind of makes sense with the current roster. The team is trying to go young, not rebuild.
I still think Dombrowski has one more move to make. I still don’t think he is happy with the lineup. I can see Arenado / Bregman (unlikely on Bregman though unless Castellanos and Walker are moved) playing 3B.
If the Phillies could move Castellanos / Bohm / Walker. / Suarez ..and pick up Bregman / Arenado / Maybe Ward from the Angels / Spencer Turnbull…some combination of all of the above…. I think he makes the move. Crawford / Miller / Painter are all off limits though…. I think the longer Bregman holds out, the Phillies have a shot. I know everyone wants the team set by January, but it doesn’t work that way. And I’m sure Dombrowski has a plan, but timing needs to be right. Either way, I think that lineup is changing more than just by adding Kepler.
I wouldn’t move Suarez and don’t want Arenado or Bregman. Hopefully Miller and Crawford are ready by 2026.. They certainly need some of their young players to step up and not have to pay $20M a year to get players. I love the kind of player Stott is but he took quite a step back last year in his offensive game. Let’s hope he can be a .280/.340/.430 guy with around 15 HRs.
I like Suarez but there is no way we are signing him long term next year with Boras as an agent now. Can’t let him walk for nothing. I think his value is at its highest point right now as team’s look to finalize their staff. You won’t get much for him as a rental in July.
I could see Arenado replacing Bohm and strengthening the left side defense to shore up that side and stabilize the right hand hitting platoon. He’ll play just long enough to mentor new guys coming up and has a great work ethic. I really like the want to win attitude. And whatever he can teach and bring to the table is warrantable at this point.
If STL can get a decent return on Matz, Fedde or Mikolas they’ll probably jump at it in a hot pitchers market. All of those guys have had good seasons in the past but many more bad years and I’d bet Fedde regresses to his career norms and Mikolas continues with his high 4 low 5 ERA’s. Mikolas might be worth the Cards starting and seeing if he can rebuild value and deal him at the break since he’s coming off a bad year but Fedde they’d be better off dealing now since he’s likely to lose value once he starts to actually pitch.
Even with the cost of pitching, Matz has no value. I haven’t seen enough of either of the others to comment but their best bet seems to be to wait and showcase them in spring training.
They need to pay down more or hope for a rebound and a chance to trade him at the deadline.
I am so grateful that Arenado turned down the Astros. Thank you Nolan. Happy New Year and I hope this works out as well for you as it will for Astro fans.
So Bregman’s agent is Boras. Arenado used to be represented by Boras but now by Wasserman. Do they “work” together? Collusion to get Bregman the best deal before NA is traded?
Could this be happening?
Player agencies do cooperate at times. Players also have unions.
JUST KEEP HIM
I know other fans hate stories like this (with virtually nothing to report).
As a Cardinals fan, I have been refreshing the MLBTR Cardinals team page at least 20 times a day for week. I appreciate an updated nothing story.
Keeping Arenado is the best option for Cards. Nothing good is going to happen until Mo is gone. If he rebounds the salary will be in line and the return will be much better. What’s the rush.
What contract would Arenado get if he was a free agent right now?
Who needs a 3b who carried a 101 OPS+ in 2024, and is in obvious decline?
Nobody is giving Arenado 3 years, so the delusional Mozeliak needs get freaking real.
He would sign a pillow one year deal. Based on the going rate for swill talent 20M wouldn’t be out of line.
Third base is a plus defensive position, comparable to 2B (and harder to fill), and Arenado is strong defensively there. His offensive/defensive profile is very different from somebody like Teoscar Hernandez, but I see him as having similar overall value over the next few years. That is *if* the team needs a good fielding 3B who is a pure pull hitter. Bad fit for the Yankees due to the dimensions of their park. Good fit for the Red Sox in the right deal.
Him and Walker are the same age. There’s value in him with even average defense at 3B. Arenado can hit RHP which Walker doesn’t do well. I can see two years plus a vesting option.
I’d say he’d top off at ~$42-45M/3. He is not in extreme decline. His ’24 bWAR was almost identical to ’23. And his 2nd half was better than his first half.
great organization that made bad choices. they are getting what they deserve now.
8 yrs worth of bad moves. The cleanse begins with Mo and the trust fund deuche owner D3. As long as D3 lingers like a bad fart the stadium will be half full.
Doesn’t Mikolas have a no-trade clause and didn’t he indicate that he was not going to waive it?
That is correct. He’s from Jupiter, Fla. – where the Cardinals and Marlins share a spring training site. He might accept a trade to Miami, but I doubt it.
If he happens to have a good season, I could see the Cardinals asking if he wants to be traded to a contender at the deadline.
If nothing else, he takes the ball every five days. The only positive he provides is the ability to hold a spot until a suitable replacement is ready in Memphis. Once that happens, I could see the Cardinals designating Mikolas for assignment.
The Arenado/St Louis situation is why, when the years/$$$contract dollars are so high and long, no trade clauses should be a big red flag and a “no go” as far as signing a player is concerned by MLB teams…..pretty obvious that St. Louis is obviously moved on team wise from him being in their longer term plans and is in danger of them being over as well from their current plans…..how would you like to play for a team that would trade you for anything based on your contract vs performance……..bad Karma man……
Demand and supply. It’s what a team has to offer to sign a desired free agent. I don’t see a problem with a star player wanting to control where he plays. Players understand that it’s a business. Arenado was already informed at the season’s end that the Cards were looking to trade him and he was OK with it.
For Arenado’s sake, I hope he is traded soon, and to an organization that has ownership that puts fans and winning, before profits. The Cardinals aren’t going anywhere for 3 or 4 years because of a greedy billionaire owner, Bill Dewallet.
So you’re saying the Mets. Every other team puts profits first. If you think otherwise, you’re fooling yourself.
Relax. We have Liberatore and Thompson in Memphis. Nootbaar, Carlson, Walker, Gorman…bring on the kids!!!
Carlson got traded and is now a free agent.
It’s not a given that Rafael Devers can play 1B. Carlos Guillen was a good but not great defensive SS. He was an awful 1B.
It is a given that Devers can’t play 3B. If he was good somewhere on the diamond, that’s where they would play him. He should DH and thank them for the paycheck. They know that won’t happen, so a move to 1B is a compromise. Amazingly, if he gets pushed to 1B or DH for the betterment of the team, the fans will back the crybaby, and say how nasty Boston was to do that to their star player.
Where has Alex Bregman been linked to the Phillies? That goes against everything DUMBroski has said and done this winter.
Fedde is the one with actual surplus value. The cards figure to be a middling team. I’m surprised he’s not the one being shopped.
Every team should be in on this guy.
I think the Cardinals are waiting until the trade deadline, thinking they can get more in return.
Doesn’t make a ton of sense. Pitching prices have been high. Trading team can QO him if acquired now and the Cards don’t have to assume injury/performance risk.
He would be a clear cut trade for me.
Me too.
Mo likes to wait and wait and wait for the best return. I don’t know if that always works.
Like most Cardinals fans, I’ll be glad when he’s gone.
Instead of focusing on trading Arenado, the Cardinals should be focusing on dumping Mikolas and Matz. Let the young guys pitch—(Hence, Matthews, McGreevy, Roby, Liberatore etc.) surely they can match or improve upon the over 5.00 ERAs from those two. Then take the money saved there and get an outfielder who can hit. Santander is probably too costly but perhaps Grichuck could add some pop and cost very little. Arenado is no longer a 3 or 4 hitter, but he still has value. The departure of Goldschmidt alone should fund their reinvestment in their minors. Teams with worse records last season are trying to compete. The Giants aren’t giving up just because they are in the same Division as the Dodgers and Padres.
The Cardinals let their minor league structure fall completely apart during the pandemic, trying to save costs. Not only did they fall behind current technology (prior to the pandemic), they cut coaching costs to the bare minimum (during the pandemic).
They handled their TV deal poorly as well. Instead of creating their own network this winter, they took a 25% cut.
Hopefully, they’ll work on their own network during this current contract, but I’m not holding my breath. They’d rather accept $1 from a random TV company for nothing than spend the time and money to make $2 (or even $1.50) themselves.
In the NL West, the four other teams don’t even spend as much time thinking about themselves as they spend obsessing over the Dodgers.
IIMO, the Cardinals need to rid themselves of their current manager. Nothing is ever going to change with him at the helm.
As a Phillies fan, I’d be ok with the Phillies trading Alec Bohm and acquiring Nolan Arenado. I know the roster would be older as a result BUT – the idea of having another general on the diamond with Bryce Harper and JT Realmuto. Arenado is one of the smartest players in the game and still plays GG defense at 3B. That would help the pitching staff out too. I’m of the belief DD & Co. should ask for a lot in exchange for Bohm. You cannot list the top 10 3B in baseball without mentioning Bohmer. The only scenario I see him getting traded, is part of a package for Arenado & Ryan Helsley – or Emmanuel Clase, Mason Miller, Andres Munoz or Camilo Doval (if the Giants wanted to use Bohm as a 1B). It’s a bonafide closer, or Bohm is the opening day 3B for the Phillies.
If Alec Bohm is a top ten 3B, keep him. There’s no need to trade him away.
I’d offer the DBacks a fraction of the equivalent of those bonafide closers for Eugenio Suarez and end up with a better 3B than Bohm, or at bare minimum an equivalent
Errr, no. I have no issue with Bohm. He’s a good transition to Aiden Miller, But no way he gets you an elite closer.
Wouldn’t want Arenado or Bregman at 3B for me based on their contracts (or preseumed contract in Bregman’s case). Paying for what they’ve done instead of what they’ll do
I will preface this by saying I *seriously* doubt this happens.
But if the Cards simply want to get rid of the contract, the Nationals can (theoretically) afford Aranado.
The problem for Washington would be, what would Aranado want to approve a trade? The Nats have 3B Brady House and Cayden Wallace in the minors already, and Ethan Holliday may be the #1 pick in 2025.. Lowe is controlled via arbitraton through the 2026 season, I don’t think the Nats would be interested in giving Aranado an extension to his current deal immediately.
I don’t think that an extension is a prerequisite for him. The Cards understandably don’t want to salary dump him (bc he can still play defense) like the Braves did with Soler. Giancarlo Stanton vetoed early offseason trades to the Giants and Cards and it’s worked out pretty good for him.
Exactly. He wants to win a World Series.
He’s going to use his no-trade until the Dodgers and Yankees are definitely, completely out. After that, he’ll consider the Phillies, Mets, Red Sox, and Padres (whatever his order). His hometown Angels are his final fallback team.
I could see another team getting into the picture, but they’d have to be a really secure playoff contender instead of just throwing cash.
I’m sure the Cardinals would have zero interest in trading within the division, but the Reds could use Arenado for sure. Especially if StL eats some of the cost and it would only require a mid-tier prospect.
Cards fans: Let’s just gang up on the Cubs. We’ll get you back in a few years. Cool?
Without great conviction, I offer:
to the Cardinals – 3B Alec Bohm. P Ranger Suarez, P Taijuan Walker, OF Gabriel Rincones Jr.
to the Phils – 3B Nolan Arenado, P Ryan Helsley, OF Lars Nootbaar
Cards get a little break on salary. Phils finish their off-season shopping spending less than they otherwise might.
Why on Earth would you minimize Arenados skills at 3B by signing him and moving him off the base at this point.
That Nolan for Stroman is looking mighty good as the cost of pitching materializes as does the price of aging vets sets.
IMVHO, the Cards should’ve done that. Stroman has a 3.38/3.63 ERA/FIP over the 5 previous years. He could easily revert to a sub-4.00 again.
Tink Hence CAN move the Arenado contract to the Tigers.
So it’s Southern California (home) or the few teams that are consistently trying to win & are willing to spend to do so. Seems reasonable at this stage of his career. He nixed Houston when they made a deal indicating a rebuild. Again, makes sense. If he wanted to lose, St. Louis is a nicer place to do it than Houston.
WHO CARES??? NOBODY WANTS ARENADO AND HIS .700 OPS AND HE DONT WANT TO LEAVE OR WAIVE HIS NO TRADE CLAUSE WITH ST,LOUIS.
WHATS TO TALK ABOUT????
Who cares? He said he won’t waive his NO TRADE clause and he has a .700OPS the last 2 seasons. Nobody wants him, nobody can have him, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS!????
How about Mickey Mantle? I think we could sign Ted Williams if he were still alive… let’s get an update on that too. And Willie Mays and Hank Aaron too because those are all as possible as this one, but you found a way to write an entire BS article and keep your job….. WOW the stupidity is killing me…