With Max Fried joining the Yankees and Garrett Crochet landing with the Red Sox, all eyes are on Corbin Burnes. The 2021 NL Cy Young winner was always, arguably, the best starter up for grabs this winter on either the free agent market or the trade block. Now, he might be the only ace-level pitcher left available.
On Wednesday, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand suggested the Blue Jays and Giants would be the two most “aggressive” teams in pursuit of Burnes, though he described the Blue Jays as the favorites. His sources were “skeptical” that San Francisco could beat Toronto in a bidding war, given that the Giants already signed Willy Adames to a seven-year, $182MM contract earlier this month. This morning, however, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported that the Giants, not the Blue Jays, are the “heavy favorites” to sign the All-Star right-hander.
On a similar note, Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that Giants president of baseball operations Buster Posey met with agent Scott Boras late on Tuesday evening, presumably to discuss his client Burnes. Yet, Heyman does not categorize the Giants as the clear favorites, writing that both Toronto and San Francisco are making a “strong push” for the ace. He adds that four more teams are still in the mix for Burnes’s services, including his former team, the Orioles. As Heyman mentions, the Yankees and Red Sox are also thought to be interested, at least to some degree, even after adding Fried and Crochet, respectively. However, it’s not clear who the sixth team Heyman refers to could be. The Mets might have seemed like another potential landing spot, especially before they signed Juan Soto, but Tim Healey of Newsday Sports reported on Tuesday that the Mets are not expected to sign Burnes.
Turning back to the Giants, this is a team that could certainly use another top-of-the-rotation pitcher. Their starters finished 18th in ERA and 29th in innings pitched this past season. Some of their underlying numbers were more promising, such as the ninth-best SIERA in MLB, but after losing Blake Snell, it’s hard to imagine the Giants rotation, as currently constructed, could perform better in 2025. Other than ace Logan Webb, no Giants starter threw more than 125 innings in 2024. Robbie Ray is a huge question mark after missing much of the past two seasons with injuries. Jordan Hicks ran out of gas down the stretch and ultimately had to move back to the bullpen. He also dealt with shoulder issues in August and September. Kyle Harrison and Hayden Birdsong are promising young arms but have yet to prove themselves at the MLB level. Neither have Landen Roupp, Keaton Winn, or Mason Black.
At the Winter Meetings, Posey told reporters (including Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area) that he has “a lot of belief” in his young pitchers and expressed hope they will “take a big step forward” in 2025. Still, the Giants could use another arm to depend on at the top of the rotation. Other than Webb, it’s not clear who on this team could start in a postseason series. Needless to say, Burnes could fill that role. If not Burnes, Pavlovic suggests the Giants are “likely” to sign another veteran starter. They haven’t been linked to many others yet, although they expressed interest in NPB ace Tomoyuki Sugano earlier this winter. According to Pavlociv, they were also in on Shane Bieber before he re-signed with the Guardians.
Hexbreaker
Jon Heyman is a hack.
jdgoat
All these guys “reporting” who the new favorite is every 6 hours really makes you appreciate a guy who reports actual news like Passan. Pretty much everybody else are just used as pawns by agents and teams for leverage.
Raymond Flagstaff
And from their leaks we glean information, what did u expect
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Without Burnes, Giants look like fourth in the division. With Burnes, maybe a small chance of a wild card, but still a long shot.
Gmen777
Can’t really disagree with your take. If they got Burns I still think they should go and sign a stopgap 1B to lengthen the lineup a bit (Goldy or Santana seem the most realistic) for a year or two to keep the seat warm for Eldridge
agnes gooch
MLB Top 100- because randos in the comments section are always accurate prognosticators
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Agnes
1. I have a lot of respect for the Giants and their three championships in 2010, 2012 and 2014.
2. I am not some “rando” (you apparently think it’s cool to truncate the spelling of random), I am a “Top 100 MLB Commenter”. LOL
3. My prognostication is based on the fact that the Giants were bad down the stretch, they lost an ace pitcher in Blake Snell which off-sets the acquisition of Wily Adames. Harrison and Birdsong were declining toward the end of the year, Whisenhunt is an unknown. The lineup is presently headed by Adames and Chappie. Compare that to Ohtani, Betts and Freeman. Or to Tatis, Merrill and Machado. Maybe comparable to Ketel Marte and Corbin Carroll. Fitzie and Ramos have decent bats but slight regression to the mean is due as they both strike out a lot. Luciano fields even worse than Fitzie. Lee and Yaz are both quality fourth outfielders on an elite team. After Webb, the rotation is “giant” questionmarks, pun intended. Ray might bounce back, I hope so. Hicks belongs in the pen. Doval is in the doghouse so late innings are on Walker and Miller. Eldridge won’t be ready in 2025 and Late Night is nearing the end of the road. If the Giants want to compete for a wild card, Corbin Burnes and Christian Walker might do it. Right now, they are a sub-0.500 team IMHO. Now if the Snakes roll with Pavin Smith to replce Christian Walker, maybe third place will be in play, but I doubt it.
– MLB Top 100 Commenter
danumd87
Top 100 MLB commenter was gold. Well done.
Balk
You think that if Snell was actually healthy last year they still would have been a .500 team? A lot went wrong for the Giants. The plan was to have Cobb back early, with Snell, Webb riding with the youngsters for a few weeks, and Ray after the break. Had those things panned out I believe they would’ve been in contention for WC.
metsin4
With Burnes I think they are still looking at 4th in the division.
Patriot12992
Are the orioles just not gonna make a move for a top flight pitcher? They really should have been more aggressive
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1st of all Burnes is not perfect, I mean no one is, but still Burnes is not perfect
Plus, Burnes never said, hey I love Baltimore and want to stay here for the rest of my career
He did his job and was professional, but anything above that, you had to squint really hard!
Patriot12992
That is all well and good but I meant in general, every top flight pitcher is gonna slip by them and they didn’t seem all that aggressive on anyone.
Raymond Flagstaff
Probably trade market i would guess. H
danumd87
They’re one of the top 5 suitors for a guy who hasn’t signed yet and is testing the FA market. That’s aggressive. If they don’t get him after losing out on Fried, let Santander walk, and don’t make any other significant pitching moves (like trading for Castillo) or signing multiple top bullpen arms (like Hoffman and Estevez) then yeah, you can say they’re not being aggressive enough. But frankly, given the price on starting pitching, it might make more sense to stick with the in-house options (Grayson, Efflin, Kremer, Suarez, Wells, Povich, returning Bradish, etc.) and sign 2-3 bullpen arms to have a shut down pen than spend hundreds of millions on an sp. Signing – even if you have to slightly overpay them – a few guys from among Scott, Hoffman, Yates, Estevez, Minter, Sewald, etc. and adding them to the existing strong bullpen of Felix, Cano, Akin, Suarez, Perez, etc. would give the O’s potentially the best bullpen in the sport. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. And I think adding say Hoffman, Yates, and Sewald to the existing pen for $30 million a year for 2-3 years (plus gaining a high end draft pick) might be a significantly better option than adding Burnes for $30 million a year for 7-8 years. We’ve seen what utterly dominant bullpens can do for small-mid market teams (like when the O’s and Royals met in the ALCS the year the Royals won the WS when they had at best average rotations but the best two bullpens in baseball by a mile).
Thornton Mellon
Lots of patchwork
Bradish – won’t be back until 2nd half of season at best.
Rodriguez and Eflin – should be solidly above average. I don’t think either can put up #’s that Burnes or another ace caliber pitcher the Orioles have failed to obtain.
Suarez – I will put zero dollars that he can put up another league average season. Back end guy if he possibly repeated it.
Kremer – there was more Bad Kremer than Good Kremer. He’s at best a #5 only if Suarez does not pan out.
Povich and McDermitt – need to show more than AAA promise. Povich did close the year with 4 solid to very good starts out of his last 5. That’s encouraging. But even Daniel Cabrera put together a few good starts so that’s not saying much.
Rogers would need to rediscover how to pitch. Looked lost last year.
Again, the Orioles rotation is always full of ifs and hopes and dreams instead of quality starters. If they want to be the division favorites, they should really have a question maybe about who’s the #5 or the backup if there’s an injury. Right now, the AL East team that can say that is the NYY. The Orioles have 2, and one’s coming off a pretty serious injury.
An ace does so much to solidify the rest of the staff, and Burnes in 2024 was the first time the Orioles had that feeling of stability since Mussina. As I’ve said hundreds of times on this board through the years, acquiring a true #1 makes the entire rotation better (old #1 is now a better #2, old #2 a better #3, etc.)
letitbelowenstein
I’ve heard on-and-off that the O’s are “in on” Burnes, but somehow I don’t see him returning.
Thornton Mellon
Lowenstein – I’m now equating “in on” to “legitimate interest”. Meaning that as I’ve explained I had “legitimate interest” in Anna Kournikova about 22 years ago but I had about as much chance at dating her as the Orioles are getting at these big name pitchers.
We’ve heard “legitimate interest” many other winters with the old owner unfortunately, so at the moment it appears status quo carrying the day.
VermonsterSD
Theyre gonna let Burnes slip away, then the Padres will swoop in an get Cowser/Kjersted for Cease…….;)
jdgoat
I’m torn on signing Burnes. He should have at least a few more elite seasons in him, but I really don’t want to have to lock him up for 8 years. But that’s the game you play with the top names.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Valid concerns, JD. I’m more on the “give him what he wants” boat (well 70/30 sign/don’t).
And 8 year deal w/ Boras has a/some Opt-Outs (yr 2-5). It has a no-trade clause, and pays the most-ish for SP.
I think it’s funny with Boras and the Opt-Outs; it becomes a shorter deal w/ high AAV. Why do clubs not like that?? I jump at an Opt-Out 8-10 year deal. He ain’t staying that long (prices for players has exploded…and 3 years from now the 8 year deal is cheaper…so easy player Opt-Out…and short term deal for the club).
Honestly, it’s a no brained to me. These deals even w/ a No-Trade provision get moved/dealt all the time too. From a $$ perspective, bleeping-sign the dude and get it done.
Of course…Mike Elias got Corbin outta nowhere, so maybe a move like that happens again. (But Baltimore’s stock pile of prospects is not what it was w/ bunches of guys MLB ready. The fruit on the farm is still not MLB ripe, so maybe it’s harder to trade.
agnes gooch
jdgoat—I agree, it’s the game you play with top names but other franchises that sign these monster contracts either realize that the player is about to turn into a pumpkin and trade them before that happens or they just eat the contract when it gets ugly, and chalk it up to the price of doing business. The Giants ownership does neither. They rarely eat contracts, so that player will be trotted out there to the end no matter the performance
Fred
The Giants need to curate the young arms and sign veterans looking to rehab their careers. Smell was a disaster last year despite the last 10 games. Bieber was the guy I thought they’d go for but Buehler makes sense too.
AndyWarpath
He gave them 100 innings of overall elite pitching (accounting for both his highs and lows) on what was effectively a one year deal. Certainly not a disaster.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I can’t understand why the Yanks would be in on Burnes unless they are intent on acquiring Tucker, sending Gil to Houston. I hate that idea. I’d rather they trade for Belli and sign Profar and see about Arraez in a trade to play 2b.
Wagner>Cobb
At that point just have Durbin play 3B, Jazz at 2B, and Arraez at 1B. Belli in the OF. No need for Profar.
Blue Baron
Wagner: No guarantee that Durbin will perform at MLB level.
Wagner>Cobb
Offensively, I agree. But I think the defense is more reliable with him at 3B, Jazz at 2B, and Arraez at 1B than it is with Arraez at 2B and Jazz at 3B.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Wag
I think there’s a resin why Durbin is at second and not third. Jazz looks good there
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Wagner
I’ve never seen Durbin play 3b, so I’m not sure if he can, but I’ve seen Jazz there, and he was pretty decent for it being his first time ever. With a full off-season and ST, I’m sure he can handle it. I would prefer Arraez at 2b, where his bat plays better there than at 1b, which is usually a power position. I’d prefer Belli at 1b to save him from the wear and tear of the OF. Having Profar in LF, with the other mentioned additions, give the Yanks two new left-handed bats and a switch-hitter all more of the bat to ball profile as opposed to high k rate guys.
Joe says...
Heyman is contractually obligated by Boras to say the Yankees are in on everyone.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I don’t know where Arraez would play with Stanton in DH.
Wagner>Cobb
1B
KnicksFanCavsFan
2b?
SupremeZeus
In Free Agency if you aren’t willing to overpay, you aren’t going to land the top FAs.
Raymond Flagstaff
Then its not an overpay, its you not understanding baseball finance and inflation
tikiagedola
Who wouldn’t want to go to SF? Best city.Best Ballpark. Top Fans. Solid Team.Great p0lotics
bestone
Yeah…but you have to wear flowers in your hair….
tikiagedola
??
Blue Baron
bestone: Not if you’re bald.
dasit
something something poop on the sidewalks something
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
And great ice cream and Chinese food
Raymond Flagstaff
Gonna jack the minimum prosecutable theft limits to 5k to keep up with inflation?
Fever Pitch Guy
tik – Let me guess, that line was stolen from someone. Hahaha!!
NashvilleJeff
@Fever: That’s gonna go way over his head Fever. He’ll never catch it…………………
yomamaspimp
Best city? Obviously you have not spent 10 minutes in SF in the last 5 years.
claude raymond
I have and obviously you haven’t yomama. And based on your call name, that basement you live in is probably locked from the outside. This bashing of the City just indicates ignorance by the posters.
Raymond Flagstaff
Lol keep telling yourself that claude.
letitbelowenstein
Considering you said “polotics”, I’m writing this off as bunk.
jmaa
Posey has this annoying habit of succeeding. I’d bet he gets burnes.
Raymond Flagstaff
Is this supposed to be a joke?
PTkirk
Posey is him.
Raymond Flagstaff
Posey gets burne(d) is the joke he called for
dasit
at this point everyone knows heyman is just a stenographer for boras so he shouldn’t be included in any discussion of a boras client
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I knew it’d be Burnes to the Giants. He fits them like a glove.
agnes gooch
Trillion—fits in some ways but he’s an anti-vaxxer so yeah, not in all ways
TrillionaireTeamOperator
At this point it’s whatever to me. I’m pro science and have friends and family who are epidemiologists etc but we are talking about baseball- a sport mostly filled with middle America heartland guys who are of a certain spiritual and political persuasion and that doesn’t stop me from enjoying the game.
If I let our differences in those areas dictate my love of the game I wouldn’t be able to watch it.
tikiagedola
There is a large group of far left people that are anti-vaxxers
Raymond Flagstaff
And center and right. Not everyone wants experimental poorly tested gene thrapies foisted upon them. Look at all the people they destroyed for heavans sake. Open yall eyes. Gov destroys your money, health, foreign nations, and our own. Get wiser or this cuntry is f-ed
tikiagedola
What countries are better?
Raymond Flagstaff
My opinions of better run countries is irrelevant. You are trying to make it seem like it is ok to run your cuntry into the ground, if others are too. It is not
dclivejazz
The vaccines did not “destroy” lots of people, but saved millions of lives around the world. Is it still necessary to deal with such anti-vax disinformation in a random comment section?
Raymond Flagstaff
Lol u need to do a lot more research. But your statement is even dumb om the surface. Open your eyes
Raymond Flagstaff
Plenty of reports available but i would highly recommend you go get boosted
Raymond Flagstaff
@agnee You should really do more research.
This one belongs to the Reds
I’m sure there is a “mystery team” somewhere.
agnes gooch
This one—totally agree
Raymond Flagstaff
Not going out on a limb saying other teams might want the best available picher
John Bird
When I hear ‘mystery team” I think Padres.
This one belongs to the Reds
I think cartoon kids amd a big dog in a green van…
deweybelongsinthehall
What’s so misleading about ranking team’s starting pitching is I don’t believe they take lengths of starts into enough consideration if at all. If your starters are going only about five innings per, you will burn your relievers out by July. Ask Red Sox fans.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – I totally agree, which is precisely why I nearly spit out my Fruit Loops® when I read the article here proclaiming Crochet had a “dominant season” this year.
He pitched more than 4 innings in literally only half (16) of his 32 games.
That’s not a dominant starting pitcher.
That’s a glorified opener.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Fever
pitch count.
Fever Pitch Guy
Knicks – I understand the reason why, coming back from surgery and pitching more than 54 innings for the first time in his career. But a dominant SEASON doesn’t include going 4 innings or less for half their starts.
It would be far more appropriate to write he had 10-11 dominant starts during the first half of the season …. and even that is being generous.
TheBoatmen
Hoping the Jays, but if the Jays miss out on him too I hope they start tearing it down. Get some decent prospects for Vlad, Bo and Gaussman.
Blue Baron
Gausman is on the decline. He looks cooked.
TheBoatmen
He had 1 bad outing in has last 10 starts and that was giving up 4 runs in 4.2IP. I don’t get why he is cooked. Still gets decent K’s as well.
Jean Matrac
He was about league average last season, 105 ERA+, 0.9 bWAR. It could have been just a down year, and he’ll bounce back, but maybe not. He was overpaid for last season’s production. They owe him a lot of money for 2 more years.
SammyJ
That’s enough of you, Baron. Even if he was missing both arms and an ear, he would still be better than you.
MLBtheSho(hei)
Idk that I’d say cooked. He was terrible at home, but his road numbers were sub 3 ERA. May need to get to a pitchers park so he can continue to pitch well.
Old York
I didn’t know the Yomiuri Giants were in on Burnes. Good to see a superstar MLB pitcher wanting to play in Japan.
jvent
Tidwell, Parada and Marte plus $10 mil to SF for Harrison. Than Mets trade McNeil to the Yanks for Poteet, the Mets should also sign either Sasaki or Buehler.
Raymond Flagstaff
No one can just sign sasaki, its his choice completely and not based on money
PTkirk
Why the heck would the Giants want any of those 3 hahaha.. And for their 23 year old former top prospect no less.
bubba3b
k. harrison and h. birdsong are 23 years old and, imo, are just a step or two from taking that next step next to webb. would like to see them in orange and black when they turn the corner. besides, posey remembers vividly what happened when he went down for the year in ’11 and sabes traded z. wheeler (walks were his issue but was also about to “turn the corner”) for three months of c. beltran… oof
Jean Matrac
Agree that Harrison and Birdsong should progress to solid starters over the next 2 years. TOR is even a possibility.
But disagree that Wheeler was about to turn the corner when traded. He was traded in 2011, but didn’t debut until 2013. His 6 years of team control for the Met’s resulted in 5 years of league average production. He didn’t really become the pitcher he is until he went to the Phillies in 2020, 9 years after the Giants traded him.
John Bird
Marte might have had some interest 3 yrs. ago.
The Giants aren’t trading Harrison and if they did it wouldn’t be for a couple of scrub prospects and a washed up vet.
SammyJ
Woodruff was better than dumb Burnes.
MLBtheSho(hei)
I was ready to disagree…then I compared the 2 and across the board, when healthy, Woodruff is better. Surprised me!
enteluj88
Joke’s on Heyman – if the Jays are :”sticking to their valuations” they won’t panic and up their offer as a result of this news.
MoneyBallJustWorks
good news is with this teams current construction, they won’t need to worry about who else can pitch a post season game this year
Jean Matrac
Exactly what people said about the Royals and Tigers last year.
MoneyBallJustWorks
many did not say that about the royals. tigers I will give you.
Jean Matrac
ESPN had the Royals’ projected record at 72-90, with 6% playoff odds ranked 26th overall.
They were ranked behind Red Sox, Cards, Reds, Giants, Twins, and Jays, among other non-playoff teams.
BaseballClassic1985
Non sequitur, but did anybody notice they didn’t allow comments on their ‘Juan Soto is on a HOF Track’ story? Laughable. God forbid anybody question the anal-ytics gods at Stathead lol Pathetic
Ranger Danger19
Mystery team in Sacramento
cubfanforever
I know a guy, who knows a guy, who says don’t sleep on the Cubs and the Counsel connection.
Wizcards
He’s overrated but no way he doesn’t get at least $250 in this market. Especially considering what Fried got
Mikenmn
Boras is moving fairly quickly now, and he’s got to have a target for Burnes that exceeds what Fried got. I’d argue that the Yankees overpaid with a purpose–they needed to get on the board after Soto and the potential surplus of pitching (potential, in real life probably not) makes for possible trades. But, irrespective of Heyman’s advocacy, while Fried’s deal pushes the price for Burnes in AAV and probably years, I don’t see 6 viable bidders. , particularly if one is the Yankees.
SFBay314
Buster is gonna build the rotation back to where it was when they won the championships. He is gonna get some front line starters that can eat innings and keep the bullpen healthly.
I am interested to see if he keeps the backloaded contracts like he did with Willy Adames.
I think it will take 8 years to lock up Burnes, but its clear you are paying for the first 4 years and then the last 4 year you could salary dump or move him. But maybe he gets a No-trade and it’s like Zito.
Either way we need the pitching and we are going to out hit teams anytime soon
El Kabong
The Raymond Flagstaffs of the world make it easy to reach for the mute button. I come here for baseball, not to engage people like him. Bye, Flaggy.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Is breslow waiting in the weeds nah?I don’t think so