The Giants continue to view Jordan Hicks as a starting pitcher, baseball operations president Buster Posey said this afternoon (X link via Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area). The 28-year-old righty finished this past season in the bullpen.
San Francisco signed Hicks to a four-year, $44MM free agent contract last winter. They gave the hard-throwing sinkerballer a starting job. That was Hicks’ first extended rotation work. He had started eight games for the Cardinals in 2022 but moved back to the bullpen relatively early in that year. He was a full-time reliever in ’23 before getting the rotation spot with the Giants.
Hicks showed early promise as a starter. He posted a 2.70 earned run average over 12 starts through the end of May. It looked as if Hicks would be a reliever-to-rotation success story in the Seth Lugo or Michael King mold, but things went off the rails midway through the year. Hicks’ velocity trended down each month. While he averaged 95.6 MPH on his sinker in April, that was down to 93.4 MPH by July. The results sharply dropped with it, as he posted a 5.24 ERA in June and allowed nearly a run per inning in July.
San Francisco kicked Hicks to the bullpen by the end of that month. He pitched well in the more familiar one-inning role but battled shoulder inflammation late in the year. Hicks finished the season with a 4.10 ERA in a career-high 109 2/3 innings. The rate production was around average when all was said and done, but it was an up-and-down year.
Given the way Hicks wore down physically, it was fair to wonder if the Giants would move him back to relief for good. Posey also wasn’t responsible for signing him as a starter, a move that came under previous front office leader Farhan Zaidi. Nevertheless, it seems they’ll give Hicks another shot at a rotation spot.
Logan Webb, Robbie Ray and Kyle Harrison are locked into rotation roles going into camp. If Hicks takes the fourth spot, that’d leave one job up for grabs. That’ll probably be an external acquisition of some kind. The Giants have been linked to Corbin Burnes, though that reported interest predated their $182MM agreement with Willy Adames. It’s not clear if they’re still willing to play at the top of the rotation market. There are a number of more affordable possibilities in the middle tiers of free agency. Mason Black, Hayden Birdsong and Landen Roupp are the top internal candidates for the fifth starter role. They each have options and could open next season in Triple-A if San Francisco makes an addition.
In other pitching news, Posey downplayed the possibility of trading former closer Camilo Doval (relayed on X by Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle). The Giants have gotten interest in the one-time All-Star, who struggled to a 4.88 ERA as his command deteriorated this year. Trading Doval this winter would be selling low, though, and the Giants are already a bit thin at the back of the bullpen. Ryan Walker had a breakout season to take the ninth inning, while Taylor Rogers and Tyler Rogers are in potential leverage roles. Doval, whom MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects to make $4.6MM in his first season of arbitration eligibility, represents a volatile middle innings option.
tikiagedola
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cwsOverhaul
Ok. In what category?
tikiagedola
diversity,lack of crime,economics,caring for people,etc
Yankee Clipper
I think Hicks may be a really good comp for Clay Holmes as a starter.
TheGr8One
Agreed. Mets fans should expect something similar in the first year.
SFGRab
In the sense that he will start out really well, wear his arm down and falter?
TheGr8One
He would probably rather you say “bumps in the road while being stretched out” but your phrasing works as well
SFGRab
Hicks was dominant in some of those early starts. If he is able to stretch out he could be a top of the rotation guy. Definitely worth continuing the experiment.
TheGr8One
Agree with you they’ve gone this far should absolutely keep going same the Mets will do in year two with Holmes.
Pete'sView
Don’t know about “top of the rotation guy,” but he certainly could be a #2 if his arm can take the innings. I still think the Giants go after Corbin Burnes.
SFGRab
I hope so. Guess #2 is close enough to the top for me. Burnes would be awesome, but I do wonder if the bidding will get too crazy.
DarkSide830
Madness
YankeesBleacherCreature
Hicks made 20 starts so no need to stop now.
davemlaw
Hicks was dominant last April, good in May then went downhill in June.
Now that he and the team know his limitations they should manage him better.
An IL stint for “Tired Arm” or whatever would have let him reset mid-season. But someone was trying to save his job so Hicks got run into the ground.
norcalblue
Come on man, show a little class. You got rid of the guy.
You have no evidence that the front office was the reason why Hicks’ performance declined or that he didn’t go on the IL when you, in hindsight, think he should have been stashed there. I’m sure it’s now going to all work out for you. Be happy, don’t take cheap shots..
sfjackcoke
This post is 100% uninformed, clearly you don’t have a baseball background. Thank you for your support of what I consider of one of the best websites on the internet. I’ll leave it at that
davemlaw
Thank goodness you’re here to enlighten us with your keen acumen. I always appreciate when someone’s only outlet is to mock others. Your mom must be so proud.
sfjackcoke
I commented on the content of your post, that it was “baseball uninformed”. Specifically what it takes to stretch out a former RP to a SP workload. That you took my reply as a personal attack about you is on you.
The rest was actually sincere, this is one of the best websites on the internet, I wish MLBTR success and hope more people subscribe so they thrive.
davemlaw
Hey buddy! All good. You’re the smart guy.
Non Roster Invitee
I like how he was “kicked to the bullpen” by the writer.
oldgfan
Not really seeing the “thin” bullpen either.
There are plenty of good options there.
Jean Matrac
I’m glad to hear that. He was dominant until he got into uncharted waters in IP. The article mentions his first 12 GS, but it was GS #16 when the wheels fell off. At that point he’d pitched 76.2 innings, with a 2.82 ERA, and a 3.70 FIP. That was 11 more IP than the previous season, which was more than the average number for his career, which was 48.2
He should be able to adapt to the additional innings as he’s being stretched out. I could see him being productive for maybe 90-100 IP next season. With the young pitchers that will probably be on limited innings it could work out okay.
sfjackcoke
Taylor Rogers was used almost exclusively in low everage situations by Melvin in 2024 and was put on recall waivers, MLBTR even documented it here mlbtraderumors.com/2024/08/giants-place-thairo-est… that he’s all of the sudden a high leverage guy again I highly doubt.
Best alignment is Doval gets clean 9th innings and Walker who has no split issues AND is great at coming with guys on base takes the high leverage spots in front of the 9th with Hicks staying in the rotation.
100% agree with this call. If not for all the early season injuries that hit the SF rotation in 2024 (Cobb, Snell, Harrison, Winn) I think they would have found spots earlier on to skip a start and.or get him extra rest. It just didn’t go that way, at one point there were multiple turns thru the rotation I believe of just Webb, Hicks and bullpen games. That was a big jump in innings that he mostly got through with no serious injury is a win and something to build on.
Giants fans are a little spoiled at the durability of Logan Webb. If SF can find someone to slot along side Webb/Ray near the top of the rotation, the teams rotational depth could be used to continue to manage the build in workload for Harrison/Hicks/Birdsong/Beck. You can never have enough starting pitching.
gbs42
Anthony,
Every relief appearance is a leverage role.
The question is whether it’s a high-, medium -, or low-leverage appearance.
oldgfan
I wonder if SFG would entertain going to a six man rotation. They could stretch out Hicks and Birdsong/Roupp at a slower pace.
Still would need Burnes or another TOR arm to pull it off IMO.
jimmy ray hart
maybe soon all teams will be going to a six man rotation…
Teams have been trying to figure out how to limit TJSurgery … and limited pitch count doesn’t seem to help
So perhaps pitchers pitching once a week can extend their careers and limit the time on the IL
JayRyder
Possible Trade Bait. Trade him as a Starter first. With the Money.
Edcheffsfungo
Losing 10 mph on his fastball is alarming for any reason.