The Giants already made one big infield addition by signing Willy Adames, and kept Matt Chapman off the free agent market entirely by signing the third baseman to a six-year, $151MM extension back in September. With the Giants still weighing big moves, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that “Pete Alonso is on their radar” as a significant upgrade to the first base/DH mix.
As it stands, LaMonte Wade Jr. will be getting the bulk of first base at-bats, as the left-handed hitting side of what will likely be a platoon situation. That said, reports have suggested San Francisco is open to moving Wade, and that the Giants had some interest in signing Paul Goldschmidt before Goldschmidt landed with the Yankees. Top prospect Bryce Eldridge is viewed as the long-term answer at first base, and with Eldridge making his Triple-A debut in 2024, a shorter-term signing like Goldschmidt made sense as a bridge at the position.
Adding Alonso would only somewhat change that direction. If Alonso took over the everyday first base role, Wade could be shifted into the part-time DH role, and Wade is a free agent next winter so he might not remain part of the Giants’ future plans. Eldridge played some outfield in 2023 but is largely viewed as a first baseman going forward, so he and Alonso could form a powerful first base/DH combo even if such an arrangement would lock down both positions for years to come.
There’s also a possibility that Eldridge could become a big trade chip the Giants can dangle to address other needs, or that Alonso wouldn’t necessarily be a long-term addition. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand hears from various executives around the league that Alonso’s next contract might involve an opt-out clause or two, thus allowing Alonso to re-enter the market potentially as early as the 2025-26 offseason. Alonso’s agent Scott Boras has included such opt-out provisions in several of his clients’ deals in recent years, in some cases creating an extra level of flexibility for teams and for players coming off less-than-ideal platform years.
It could be argued Alonso is coming off two relative down years, as he has a solid but unspectacular 121 wRC+ since the start of the 2023 season. The first baseman slugged 80 homers and hit .229/.324/.480 in 1353 plate appearances over that span, while providing little value with his glove or on the basepaths. Clubs are increasingly wary about committing big money to first base-only players in general, and Alonso’s increasingly homer-heavy approach raises questions about his overall offensive value.
Oracle Park may not exactly be the best ballpark for a right-handed hitting slugger to re-establish his value, though Alonso’s options may be increasingly limited. The Yankees (Goldschmidt), Astros (Christian Walker), Diamondbacks (Josh Naylor), and Nationals (Nathaniel Lowe) have all addressed their needs at first base. MLBTR’s Leo Morgenstern recently looked at Alonso’s market and cited the Giants along with the Reds, Tigers, Blue Jays, as possible darkhorse candidates for the slugger, along with the more obvious possibility that Alonso just re-signs with the Mets.
Indeed, most of the executives who spoke with Feinsand “believe an Alonso/Mets reunion is inevitable,” even if such a deal involves opt-out clauses. The Mets remain linked to both Alonso and Alex Bregman, leaving the team with an interesting choice of top-tier corner infielders since Mark Vientos can play first or third base depending on who is signed. (Or, it isn’t entirely out of the question that the aggressive Mets could sign both Bregman and Alonso, with Vientos moving to DH.) Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that “a sizable gap” remains between Alonso and the Mets in their current negotiations.
Because both Adames and Alonso rejected qualifying offers, the Giants would have to surrender two more draft picks and another $1MM in international bonus pool money if they brought Alonso into the fold to join their new shortstop. This might not necessarily be an obstacle since the Giants already gave up two picks and $1MM to sign Chapman and Blake Snell (two other qualified free agents) last offseason. RosterResource estimates San Francisco for roughly a $167.1MM payroll and $207.5MM luxury tax number in 2025, so adding Alonso is feasible even if it remains unclear how much ownership is willing to spend on next year’s roster.
The Giants’ pursuit of Corbin Burnes signaled that the club was willing to make another splurge, though Slusser notes that they didn’t offer Burnes more than the $210MM over six years than the righty received from the Diamondbacks. Indeed, Slusser frames the Giants’ courtship of Burnes as fairly limited, writing that “San Francisco’s pursuit never advanced much beyond initial talks at the general manager meetings…and an offer made at that point did not get things off the ground.”
President of baseball operations Buster Posey addressed the Giants’ next steps in a text to The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly, with Posey writing “We believe in our young arms, and feel like they are in a position to take some big steps forward. [We] will continue to look on the offensive side for players that give us a chance to score runs in multiple ways.”
tom brunanskys black sock
I’m considering housing 3 McRibs
retire21
I can find nothing wrong with this plan.
deweybelongsinthehall
One McRib is one too many. Disgusting meat compost slithered in BBQ sauce and onions to hide the mystery meat.
tom brunanskys black sock
@dwight
Your loss! More for me.
youngliam
It’s not mystery meat, it’s pork shoulder aka “butt” and cushion meat. McDonalds brings back the McRib when the pork market is on a downturn so they can buy it cheap and the sheer quantity they buy brings the market back up. As a butcher I enjoy watching the prices fluctuate during McRib season.
Cash-Man-NY
Blasphemy !! What lies will be spread next? Santa Claus isn’t real?
McRib has actually been improved nutritionally recently, why else would McDonald’s have increased the price?
Jon Heyman even reported that it wasn’t the 800 million
that convinced Soto to sign with the Mets it was uncle Steve agreeing to stock Soto’s suite with McRibs
so there! Lol
tom brunanskys black sock
@ $
oldgfan
As a death row inmate when asked for your last meal menu, always go with the McRib and a shamrock shake. The two are rarely on the menu at the same time… It might just buy you some time.
Paleobros
And a pickle!
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@damandash
So Soto is going to have a bunch of McRibs? Oh man, that sounds like Soto will be a good candidate to eat himself into a decline…if he doesn’t die from those McRibs.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Alonso and Oracle are a horrible fit. Eldridge looks solid. Sure, Giants might consider a one or two year deal, but Nets and Nationals – even the mariners – make more sense.
tom brunanskys black sock
Extra pickles, baby!
deweybelongsinthehall
Forgot it had pickles too …
CFS77
McVommit extra green please.
Ma4170
Not really. Citi Field is a pitchers park. He has a career 910 ops and 610 SLG w 7 HR in 75 PA at oracle. He can hit HR anywhere.
Pete'sView
About a third of his HRs in 2024 were to the opposite field (right field). So imagine that many of those HRs will NOT translate to dingers when playing at Oracle Park.
I don’t think signing Alonso is a smart move for the Giants, especially with first baseman Bryce Eldridge not far off.
Jean Matrac
Pete, I agree, though handedness is a moot point. Oracle is almost as bad for LHHs (77 HR PF) as it is for RHHs (79 PF) for HRs. I’d rather they get a more complete hitter. Like someone with more 2Bs, instead of a guy that swings for the fences.
Fred
Ramos did well last year to the right field arcade for the Giants, and that left field fence plays well for right handed power hitters. You just gotta be strong enough to get it up above the 25 foot fence in right.
Ma4170
It wasn’t a third, I just went through them all. Remember, 16 of the 34 HR were on the road and he has 123 HR on the road for his career. Of all the HR I just watched last year, maybe 2 at most wouldn’t have gone out of Oracle, and they would have been XBH anyway. He would do fine as a Giant. His average exit velo may not be elite, but when he hits them hard, they go a long way.
youngliam
Half of the games are played on the road, he may lose a few to Oracle but I would wager it is less than 5.
Balk
I actually don’t mind this approach, Alonso could DH when Eldridge is ready. Oracle is a big park. Lock up good players now while you can. Might entice others to join
Ma4170
24 of his 34 HR were 400 feet plus. I agree, less than 5 at most, and like I said, MAYBE two last year wouldn’t have cleared the wall. Matt Chapman hit 27 last year, and 18 were on the road. Alonso can hit 35+ as a Giant without a problem.
Jean Matrac
Balk, The trouble with that is they’re spending a ton of money for a DH only guy, and robbing the team of the flexibility to cycle other players through the DH position.
Jean Matrac
I looked at Statcast’s Expected Home Runs by Park, for Alonso. They show him hitting 33 at Oracle. According to them he’d do best signing with the Reds, or Phillies, where they have him hitting 46 in each.
But I don’t really like they way they do it, since it’s based on all games played at each park. For instance, even though he hit 38 HRs in 2024, they have him hitting only 36 playing all games at Citi Field.
Pads Fans
Alonso is a dead pull hitter. If he had played in Oracle, Statcast said he would have hit one less HR. Other than increasing the number of doubles he hits, I don’t think playing there will impact his line much.
There are other reasons it might not be a good fit but power is not one of them. If he was a LHB it would be a different story.
Balk
Jean, Yeah I get it, but we have to start getting some guys in there with some pop. They have the cash. Spend it!
Jean Matrac
Balk, I have no problem with spending money on guys with some pop. I just think Alonso is not the guy. I’d like to see that pop in the form of hard contact with more XBHs, instead of all or nothing guys.
Ma4170
Well, the last four seasons he has 67, 67, 69, 65 XBH. Thats pretty consistent and solid.
Jean Matrac
Those XBH numbers are significantly lower minus the HRs. In every year of those 4 seasons the HRs outnumbered the combined total of 2Bs and 3Bs. He’s totaled 157 HRs and 111 2Bs and 3Bs in those 4 seasons. Which was the point I was trying to make, that it’s an all or nothing approach.
Ma4170
Yes but he has reached those numbers consistently playing home games in a pitchers park. Unless you think his HR will tail off considerably the next three years, which is a diff story.
Also last year he had his career high in 2b w 31, so less of the all or nothing.
'Tang It
Don’t forget the ball carries different there too. You can’t just layer his home runs over the park and call it a day.
Jean Matrac
Ma4170, Alonso might be the answer if the Giants had a black hole at 1B with no help on the way. Neither of those is the case. I wrote in another post, that the Wade/Flores platoon scored more runs in the last 4 seasons than Alonso did. That’s counting 2024 with little contribution from Flores with 19.
In 2023, when Flores was healthy, the Giants had the 4th highest WAR by position at 1B. The Mets were 5th. Alonso will cost 3x what Wade/Flores will. I don’t think he’s worth that for the Giants..
Last season their worst WAR by position was SP, SS, and 2B. Signing Adames looks to help with the MI spots. I’d rather see them spend on pitching, and not unnecessarily on 1B, with Eldridge on the way.
Ma4170
From 2021-2024, Alonso has a higher WAR than both combined, and more RBI than both combined, which is because he has a 911 career OPS with RISP. He’s a proven run producer. He may be on the decline, totally understand, and you don’t want to block Eldridge. But at 33, Wilmer definitely is and Wade may be starting as well. I get there are bigger positions of need so that makes sense. But short term, maybe a 2-3 year deal shifting to DH toward the end of it, he would make the team better.
Jean Matrac
The difference in WAR those years is 3.6. That’s an average of 0.9 per seas0n, and last year Flores had a -0.6.
I think runs are more important than RBI. Alonso’s a flyball hitter, and with the park effects of Oracle, 79, compared to 103 at Citi, I see his HR as well as RBI numbers dropping in SF.
I think he’s too expensive for a DH only guy. But, I wouldn’t gripe too much if they got him for 2 or 3 years, would prefer 2, but I’m sure he’s looking for more years than that.
nahnvrmnd
In 2021 Flores pinch hit 39 times and was dh 4 games, He started 51 games at 3b and 22 at 2b; He only started 21 at 1b. In 2022 he started 31 games at 1b and played in 45 total there and played, 95 games between 2b and 3b and was dh in 26; in 2023 he started 45 at first and played a total of 61 there., played 28 games between 2b and 3b.and was dh 41 games.and in 2024 he started 42 at first and played 56 total there,,2 at 3b and was dh 8. He also pinch hit a total of 64 times in that 3 year span. Similarly, Wade pinch hit 50 times in that span and was dh 19 times. In those 4 years Alonso scored 359 runs, Wade has scored 190 runs and. Flores 199 the last 4 for a total of 389 between them. I’m not gonna go any deeper but considering Wilmer started a total of 139 games at 1b and 174 at second or third, I would suggest their 1b platoon did not score more runs than Alonso. Too late at night to dig deeper but I’m gonna guess it’s not even close and Alonso is far ahead as he’s almost exclusively played 1b in those years. And really the numbers in every offensive category are not even close.Pete has 226 homeruns and Wilmer and Wade have 203 together in gtheir career and Wilmer has playes 12 years. Their slash lines over the last four are not remotely comparable etc…
Jean Matrac
nahnvrmnd, You’re correct that I missed the difference in PAs,. Wade/Flores had more PAs in the last 4 seasons than Alonso. Comparing them in R/PA, Alonso scores a run about every 7.4 PA. That is better than Wade/Flores at about 1 every 8.4 PAs.
I’ve never disputed that Alonso isn’t the better hitter, and has more power. The question for me is whether it’s worth it for the Giants to pay Alonso, whose approximate salary is worth 3x the combined salary of Wade and Flores, with Wade/Flores already in house. Especially with the Giants’ top prospect being near MLB-ready, playing the same position as Alonso, with Alonso lacking positional flexibility.
I just don’t see Alonso as a fit for the Giants, especially with the QO penalties attached, despite him being the better hitter.
nahnvrmnd
The qo penalties is the main reason teams paying the luxury tax are not offering alonso a deal. The yankees would probably offered him six years just to piss cohen off. The qo penalty is also the reason stearn offered the qo and why every single fo does the same with players like alonso. The qo is a flat fee for everyone, this year its just over 20 mil. Alonso already played atjust over 20 last year after arb, If he takes the qo he has to stay another year at basically the same money. But now every team that has the money for a decent contrfact for guys like alonso or bregman is going to wait to sign anyone unless they want to lose 3 picks and 1 million in international bonus pool cash. Everyone and their granny is waiting on Roki Sasaki before they decide to blow up their pool money even though he’s prob going to the dodgers. Mets are also waiting on that to sign anyone, which is why they started talking to Tanner Scott now that they intl date is coming up and will prob pivot there if roki isnt an option for them. Bregman is in the same boat as Pete, nobody is going to committ to 5 or 6 at 25-28 per until that happens. Pete also gave up leverage by making clear he wants to be a Met and went so far, apparently as telling the fo he would give them a chance to match whatever offer he got. Whether he ends up doing that or not is the gamble the Mets are taking The other big hold up is waiting to see if Vladdy resigns. If he does teams will rush to sign bregman and pete. Personally I trhink Vladdy is overrated and inconsistent but given the state of baseball salaries today teams will fight to sign him for 500+ just based on his age despite the fact he’s averaged 29 hrs the last 3 years and his second highest total is 32 (26 in 2023). Even with the high avg last year his power numbershave been in free fall since 2o21 which is why i dont think the Jays will find anyone who wants to give up whatever theyre asking ion a potential trade (unless he agrees to a sign and trade. Ultimately, as a Mets fan of 50 years, I would like to see Pete stay and have zero interest in bregman. Much better to sign Tanner Scott and let Vientos grow at third. And please, no Arenado.We’ll see how it shakes out in a coup[le of weeks. Also, I love Wilmer, literally saw him grow up here, cry on the fiield standing at third base when he thought he’d been traded in the middle of a game, get huge clutch hrs for us and generally be a great guy beyond his on field skills, He was a solid player for us and has been solid for the Giants; every Mets fan was sad to see him leave. But he will be 33 before the end of the season. And Wade has potential but still needs to develop. Hell in 3 years he might be hitting 30+ and 290…
Ma4170
Really? I value RBI much more than runs, but it depends on the role of the player. Runs you’re dependent on others driving you in. For his role in an offense, he needs to be the one driving people in more often. And until last year he was excellent at it. Yeah, I think a lot of teams would like him for that 2-3 year window, but he’s looking for 6, which is a hard pass. He’s actually much better at first than the defensive metrics show, which is why I have gripes with those metrics. He’s very sure handed, he saves so many errors on throws from infielders. His range is poor, but at first, that really doesn’t come into play much at all if you watch the games regularly. His throws are bad, that’s an issue.
Jean Matrac
Good players will be among the leaders in both categories. Runs might be dependent on others driving the guy in, but RBI is dependent on guys getting on base in front of the hitter. If a guy scores a lot of runs, it means he’s on base a lot, and is in scoring position a lot, i.e. there on XBHs, and SBs.
RBI seems to me to be linked more to the concept of clutch. I’m someone that doesn’t believe in clutch. If someone can get a hit when a hit is needed, why can’t he get hits all the time? Plus guys who are thought of as clutch are always the better hitters. It’s no surprise that a guy like Tony Gwynn is regarded as clutch. but is it a surprise he got hits more often in clutch situations than other guys?
There was a study done that revealed that guys, that were considered clutch, had very similar numbers in clutch situations, as they did for their careers as a whole.
And I trust defensive metrics much more than the eye test. Most of the guys that get to the ML level are good athletes, and have good hand/eye coordination. They make the play most of the time, with the occasional impressive one. But defensive metrics take into account range, how hard a ball is hit, the speed of the runner, etc. What might look like a clean hit, where the defender seems to have no chance, could be lack of range, where another player is able to make the play. Defensive metrics use computer analysis to look at range, factoring in the other factors, and I think that tells me more than some really good play a guy made while I was watching.
Blue Baron
Top 100: Why do you keep mentioning the Nationals now that they acquired Nathaniel Lowe?
Pickle_Britches
He is clueless that’s why
deweybelongsinthehall
At the right price, if Casas is dealt, I would love to see him in Boston. Living in NY, I’ve seen his defense and it’s not as bad as metrics suggest.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Blue Baron
I assume that James Wood will play outfield rather than DH. Room for Lowe and Alonso. Am I mistaken?
Blue Baron
Probably. I seriously doubt they would invest that much in another first baseman.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Again, I am assuming 3 yrs/90 or 4 yrs/100 with multiple opt-outs.
Abrams SS
Garcia 2B
Lowe 1B
Alonso/Bell DH
Wood OF
Crews OF
Tena/House 3B
C Ruiz
OF Young
If they don’t sign a DH, maybe Wood is the DH and Call is the next OF
I still have the Mets as the most likely destination
Blue Baron
They don’t have anyone named Bell on their 40-man.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pete Alonso and Josh Bell are free agents. If no one is signed to be a DH, than maybe Call becomes the third outfielder and Wood the DH.
377194
Alonso turned down $90/3 with opt outs.
Bill M
Mistake on his part
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
Re: Bell
They do now!
Blue Baron
Indeed!
377194
Go ahead Alonso. You’ll hit 20 HR’s a year there.
Paleobros
Top 100, Pete to the Nets like you suggest would be highly entertaining!
letitbelowenstein
I’m considering the gorgeous blonde at my dentist’s office.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Why can’t the gorgeous blonde BE the dentist?
Never Remember
Sounds like Boras trying to create a market that does not exist. Alonso definitely regrets turning down deal from Mets previously.
Miken31
My thoughts exactly
holycow16
All these guys should self represent and cut out this Boras crap!
Blue Baron
holycow16: Why? Boras is the best agent in the business.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
Best is subjective. He is highly effective and his client list dwarfs Wasserman and Levinson. Maybe someday Rimas/Bad Bunny will take a big cut of the action, but that day has not yet come.
I don’t like some of Boras’ tone deaf comments, but you can’t argue with the results, at least if you are an elite player.
Blue Baron
Agreed, and I also have had enough of the ignorant comments from people who act like he’s some kind of agent of evil when he’s just doing his job.
Swingandamiss
Boras is only good for moving the market on elite players. Boras is also the king of players on bad deals. The past several years Boras’s tactics have backfired for players exactly like Alonso.
Blue Baron
And yet his clients continue to vote with their feet by hiring him and his agency. I seriously doubt he concerns himself with comments like yours and others on here.
Pads Fans
Well that comment about Boras sure was a swingandamiss.
nahnvrmnd
I doubt it, 22.5 per no opt outs? Boras wasn’t his agent then btw. Mets already offered him 90 for 3 years. He;s going into his age 30 season not his age 34. I’m confident he can make more than 158 over the next 7, hell the Giants just gave Chapman 155 for 6 and he’s two years older, his career numbers are all lower. Alonso will make out just fine.
Miken31
nahnvrmnd:
We are talking about a first basemen who is not very athletic with showing some signs of decline. What you’re saying is just not reality.
jerseyjohn
Nahmvrmd: You sound like Boras. Alonso has zero value beyond hitting. He’s slipping there as well. I wouldn’t commit more than 3 years at 25 mil or 2 at 30. I don’t see him in the league in 5 more years.
CleaverGreene
Chapman is a gold glove 3B, not a 1B/DH.
nahnvrmnd
Dude, again two years older and 6/155. Gold Gloves are popularity awards that barely consider stats. He’s a good fielder but he’s a career 241/329/462/790 hitter whose numbers have plummetted since 2019, hit more than 27 hrs only once, never drove in more than 91 runs and had 78 or less rbi every year except one in 8 years.. That’s reality.
ThatsIT?
Classic boras. Drag it out and complain about the rules in late Jan feb
DarkSide830
Giants once again competing to be the best team to not make the playoffs.
mlbnyyfan
Does anyone really think if Pete is leaving New York? I doubt that very much.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
I do, I’m sure they would rather sign Vladdy next off season
Blue Baron
Mystery: How do you know that?
Pickle_Britches
Vladdy will be another pipe dream that the Giants can’t make happen.
Jean Matrac
Pickle_Britches, You do realize he was referring to the Met’s signing Vlad next season, not the Giants.
dankyank
There’s a lot of logic to moving on from Alonso. Doing so allows them to move Vientos and his subpar defense off of third. The Mets get to take a longer look at Baty and Mauricio. The draft pick, combined with the one received for Severino, further offsets the penalty for signing Soto (the picks will be slightly lower on the whole).
I get that Alonso is a strong community presence and clubhouse leader but Stearns doesn’t strike me as the sentimental type. One way or another, he will find ways to get the youngsters playing time.
padam
Yes. But it’s not a matter if he’s leaving, but rather do they want him back. I can see them pivoting to Bregman who is a much better defensive player and place Vientos at 1B for a year before going after Vladdy, and if successful, moving Vientos to DH and spelling a day off coverage for the corners.
dankyank
They don’t want him back. The lack of rumors between the Mets and Alonso make it clear. I get that he’s a clubhouse leader and and community figure but he both leaves them with a suboptimal defensive alignment and blocks a number of youngsters. Personally, I think Bregman is a foolish investment and the 3 QOs are a sign Stearns values a strong prospect pipeline.
The Soto signing should be viewed as the exception, not the rule. Every other free agent they signed is for 3 years or less. The front office has made it clear that they will find ways to preserve payroll flexibility for the next big splash.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Dankyank- agree with much of what you say but based on my observations of the Mets over the past few years Pete is not seen as a clubhouse leader. The players meeting that was convened after the dreadful start in 23 was led by Lindor, Nimmo and Marte. In post game interviews players frequently acknowledge the leadership of Lindor and Nimmo; they rarely if ever mention Pete. As a Met fan I’ve seen Pete’s stunning decline over the past couple of years and am surprised that there has not been more discussion in the media about it. I would not be unhappy if the Mets don’t sign him and would frankly be surprised if they did. I agree with your take on Bregman who has already walked away from a lengthy extension-like Pete. No way Stearns offers Bregman a lengthy contract
padam
@agree – Pete has been the opposite regarding leadership (agreeing with you). His whining and temper tantrums are a bit overdone. I’m not exactly a fan of signing a player like Bregman, but Conen is also a fan (not just an owner) and if a move on the field had to be made, that would be the one. Defense and flexibility along with some decent offense sides up that left side for 3-5 years. And with his market drying up, I can see the Mets getting a decent deal with a one-two year opt out while they go after Vladdy.
Simm
They fail short of that last season. Dbacks took that honor.
kylegocougs
M’s are tough competition there
mlb fan
Pete Alonso’s market is drying up faster than quick drying paint.
Ma4170
Why? He already plays in a pitchers park. He has a career 910 ops and 610 SLG w 7 HR in 75 PA at oracle. Its not like he plays home games in Cincinnati, plus he’s always had a strong road OPS.
flyingblindsquirrel
Because he’s not Vladdy and he’s looking to get paid lie he is.
This one belongs to the Reds
I wouldn’t mind if he played home games in Cincinnati.
johncoltrane
I still cant comprehend chapmans 6/151 deal
Sabean Wannabe
Why? If you look at estimates of cost per WAR, he probably needs to get somewhere between 15-20 WAR over the life of the contract to have it pay off for the Giants. Per Baseball Reference he just got 7.1 WAR this season (6.1 career average per year) and Fangraphs says 5.5 for this year (approx 5.5 WAR per year career). I think he can hit those numbers easily.
Simm
Nobody really loves war that comes from defense. A lot of people think war metrics on defense are flawed.
Sabean Wannabe
I understand many people felt like that in the early days of the Analytical Era, but everyone has had 20+ years to refine those numbers. And its not like he is defense only. His career OPS+ is 118.
JackStrawb
@Simm That pretends “nobody really loves” defensive statistics, which isn’t remotely the case.
AndyWarpath
I think you mean that you don’t really like WAR
JackStrawb
@AndyWarpath I wonder how many who ‘don’t like WAR’ don’t understand it’s effectively composed of stats they otherwise like: BA, OBP, SLG, SB/CS, OAA or DRS, and so on?
carlos15
He’s not as good as his WAR suggests, it weighs too heavily things that don’t actually matter.
tom brunanskys black sock
Like what?
JackStrawb
@carlos15 Right, like hitting and defense for position players.
stymeedone
The Flaw of War is it is not revenue based. It is fantasy baseball based. If a team invests in a player, how much revenue will he bring back? That’s really all the owners care about.
CleaverGreene
Hypothetically. if the Mets lose 90 games in 2025/26 how much revenue will Soto’s 50M bring in ?
I’m not predicting that at all, but WAR is based on production with the bat and the glove. Revenue is not in any equation.
Pete'sView
johncoltrane — That’s because you obviously didn’t see him play day in and day out last season. The guy is a gamer on both sides of the ball.
JackStrawb
@johncoltrane 2018-2024
Matt Chapman: 35.2 bWAR
Juan Soto: 36.4 bWAR
The frowny face is the one you make when you’re thinking.
padam
Overrated stat.
Simm
Now find one gm that would prefer Chapman during that stretch. Too much war value is added to defense. Obviously defense has value but defense is much easier than offense. There is a million minor leaguers right now that can play great defense that will never touch the mlb…because they can’t hit.
If you can hit they will find a spot and not only DH over the years. So more value should be added to the hardest thing there is to do…hitting.
JackStrawb
@Simm Understood:: “Comprehensive stat disagrees with me and has the gall to include the tools my guy only possesses in negative quantities, therefore it must be bad!”
foppert3
Ha ha.
“Quick Susan, let the fans know we are after Alonso”
THEY LIVE!!!
Must really suck to be a Giants fan
foppert3
Nope. Providing you are in the normal range of self entitlement, it’s all good.
oldgfan
Nah.
It’s a good gig.
Don’t get your hopes up on overhyped players. Be patient with the farm, and know there are far worse teams who don’t even try to better their roster yearly.
flyingblindsquirrel
I’d think winning 3 of the last 15 World Series was pretty nice.
JackStrawb
Only if the Giants go to even just 4/$100m for at most a one-win upgrade for 2025 over Lamonte.
2023-24, Pete v LaMonte: 3.2, 2.6 bWAR v 2.7, 2.1 bWAR.
Someone tell me they’re not that foolish.
— As for player opt-outs, who would be fool enough to give Alonso even one player opt-out when the problem is he’s in steep decline and is a solid bet to decline again in 2025?
If even 1/30m rates to be a poor deal, why would you want him for 2/55m when he has another down year and decides to hang around for the 25m option in 2026.
1/30m for a 1-win upgrade, Even the Giants FO can’t be this silly. Pete’s a one-dimensional player whose calling card, slugging, is already down to .459.
1/25m or 2/40, maybe, if you can pick up a useful prospect for LaMonte’s 2025 season.
AndyWarpath
Alonso wouldn’t replace Wade. Alonso would go to 1b and Wade/flores would fill the black hole that is the dh spot on the Giants roster
JackStrawb
@AndyWarpath Maybe so, Andy, but that doesn’t make a ton of sense. Pete’s already just about the worst 1Bman in baseball, according to Statcast and every other defensive stat and he’s only getting older, slower, and even less limber (if such a thing is possible).
If anything you’d put Alonso at DH—it’s not as if you need the carrot of putting him in the field to entice him to sign a multiyear deal.
CleaverGreene
The Mets will meet any reasonable contract that Alonso is offered. Pete is the Don Quixote of MLB..
JackStrawb
@CleaverGreene Cervantes would slap your face.
Btw, what Pete means by ‘reasonable’ is going to leave him on the couch come March.
fred-3
AT&T is a graveyard for low average, right-handed power hitters
MLB Top 100 Commenter
AT&T is about as obsolete as your land phone.
TheBoatmen
He meant Candlestick.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Boat
That was funny
talking baseball
AT&T ??
JackStrawb
@fred-3 Pete Alonso’s post-29 career is a graveyard for low average, right-handed power hitters.
Pads Fans
Hasn’t been AT&T in quite a while.
Alonso has hit .273/.347/.563/.910 there for his career and hit .280/.333/.560/.893 last season so definitely not a graveyard for him. More like home sweet home.
fred-3
He won’t be facing Giants pitching anymore, though
Jean Matrac
For his career, which is all of 17 games with 16 GS. The problem with most of those park stats is they’re small samples.
Pads Fans
You discount his career stats, his home and away stats, quote small sample size stats then try to discount small sample size stats. You don’t get it both ways.
For the time frame of his career only 1 player has more home runs than Alonso.
He has hit incredibly well in Oracle. Both Oracle and CitiField have a 97 park factor via StatCast
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…
If he had played his home games in Oracle he would have hit only 2-3 less HR per season per StatCast. Oracle at 104 park factor is a much, much better park for doubles than Citi at 86 so those 2-3 HR he lost would have likely been doubles.
Jean Matrac
Where did I discount his career stats? Where did I quote stats from small samples? I did none of those things. Feel free to quote from my posts to prove me wrong.
In multiple posts I’ve listed his last 4 seasons as a basis for my opinion. I do think that 6 years ago is not germane to who a player is now. though.
Unless a player is with one team for a 5+ years, and has racked up a considerable amount of ABs, stats for players in particular parks are always small samples.
Your link to Statcast is general and doesn’t really apply very specifically to Alonso at Oracle. This is the PF Statcast has for RHHs and HRs. (You have to click on HRs to see that Citi has a 103 PF and Oracle has a 79.)
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-f…
Look at his hit trajectory, he’s below league average for GBs and LDs and above average for FBs. Those balls that don’t go out at oracle are probably FB outs, not 2Bs.
thecrown24
Pete’s Power Numbers would drop immensely playing half his games in that ball park.
Jean Matrac
Nope. Would probably be the same or similar, since both Citi Field and Oracle Park have the same 97 PF.
CleaverGreene
According to Statcast: Oracle is last in MLB for RHH and Citifild is 15th.
Jean Matrac
They’re both 97 for all hitters. Overall for RHHs Oracle is 97, Citi 98.
But Citi is much better for HRs for RHHs, with a 103, while Oracle is a woeful 79. So I am clearly wrong that his power numbers would not drop.
SteveNVegas
Can he pitch?
JackStrawb
Worst 1Bman’s arm in the game, so probably not.
Watching him ‘throw’ even to 2B under duress is excruciating.
Pads Fans
Alonso has hit .273/.347/.563/.910 at Oracle Park over his career and hit .280/.333/.560/.893 there last season.
Both are better than what he hit overall or in Citi field.
TheGr8One
Pete (or agent at least) will want an opt out and it appears SF isn’t keen on these things anymore. I doubt he lands there unless his market is crap.
5/130 opt out after two to Seattle
Just a guess. It’s an overpay a little but Seattle has to do that to get FA’s
fred-3
The Mariners don’t even have $30 M to offer anyone, let alone $130 M
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Yeah we have to fill a bunch of holes with only 10 million
I’m so angry that we aren’t even named as a possibility for Alonso since we say that we are contending but have a gaping hole at first base (and third but no link to Alex bregman)
Looking like it’s gonna be Justin turner and yoan moncada
drdback
Alonso will sign with the Mets. He doesn’t want to go to the Giants.
PhilliesFan91
Somebody will overpay for Alonso but it’s not gonna be the mets. I think he goes to Seattle or Cubs.
Jean Matrac
Not the Cubs. They are apparently very happy with Busch at 1B.
PhilliesFan91
Seattle needs offense
Jean Matrac
Unless they have a near MLB-ready 1B like Giants, I think he’s better fit in Seattle than he is in SF.
JackStrawb
If Pete wanted to sign with the Mets AND wasn’t a greedhead, they’d be stuck with him already for the 6/135m left on their 7/158m offer.
The Mets dodged a bullet, though I wonder what the highest offier for Petey is? … 4/100m? Even that’s absurd. People know he’s down to a 2.1 fWAR and it’s dropping fast. Why would you assume he’s going to necessarily have even one more year where he’s worth a lineup slot?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
The new fangled Giants front office does seem to like the idea of short term high AAV contracts, which Alonso might be at the mercy of at this point.
2 years/$60M or something would likely get it done if he’s feeling desperate enough- and lets face it- if all these guys rejecting 6 years/$150M-ish deals are doing so because they actually think they are worth more per season than that and will be worth more per season over the life of these contracts, shouldn’t they be confident in proving the teams wrong and over performing and forcing the market to offer them 5 years/$160M or something like that after a 1-2 year “prove it” deal, so that guys like Alonso turn down 5 years/$140M only to basically secure themselves the equivalent of 6 years/$190M to 7 years/$220M?
It essentially worked out perfectly in this manner for Blake Snell. He couldn’t get better than 2 year offers last off season and then turned that into what is effectively a 6 years/$214M overall deal.
Unless…. some of these guys, like Pete Alonso, don’t think they’ll get that type of deal a year or two from now and are annoyed that teams are valuing them reasonably already?
Carter86
Why would he take 2 for 60 when the Mets already offered 3 for 90 with opt outs each year?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Last I read from just a couple days back, he’d turned down 6 years/$158M or so from the Mets. Have not heard of 3 years/$90M and my point is that at some point there is no offer from a team that feels like they’ve put forth a fair offer.
Plus it’s possible the kind of offer he’d turn down from the Mets might be for more than he’d accept from a different team in order to re-establish his market and get a nice guaranteed “insurance deal” aka a 2 year deal he could opt out of after the first season.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So I googled this / looked up all Pete Alonso articles on MLBTR and it’s an unsubstantiated rumor started by a former player- it’s pure hearsay and conjecture and nothing substantial.
The last substantial report on Alonso and the Mets was that they offered Alonso 7 years/$158M, which would have essentially been 1 year/$18M followed by 6 years/$140M or something along those lines.
Why would they or he consider 3 years/$90M deal if they were floating a 6 year/$140M deal for him and he’s seeking closer to 6-8 years/$200M?
Pads Fans
The last substantiated report was the Mets offering him a 5/125 extension prior to the 2023 season. There have been no confirmed offers since Stearns became the POBO.
That rumor came from Joel Sherman and he said it happened during the 2023 season. No one else corroborated his report according to this site. Even then the actual numbers he floated were for six free-agent years at $132 million. According to Sherman’s rumor, the Mets were willing to allow Alonso to go into arbitration that final time and start the contract with his first FA year.
Alonso was a client of Apex sports at the time that offer was supposedly made and they denied that Alonso ever received any offer over 5/125.
Since Alonso changed representation to Boras after the 2023 season we have heard only that they feel Alonso is worth more than the rumors.
“The market for consistent 40-homer, durable, infield-capable, true middle-of-the-lineup sluggers is the question,” Boras said. “Note there are none available in free agency and none coming [in the next few years]. Plus, he’s New York proven, which is an unanswered question for many others — not Pete. It’s elite-level durability and production at a prime age, which is simply something most MLB teams do not possess.”
JackStrawb
Alonso’s already in steep decline. His offseason is a beautiful lesson in ignorance and greed.
Rsox
Giants came out of nowhere and pounced on deals for Snell and Chapman as spring training was already underway, maybe they are hoping Pete is still sitting at home in March to get a bargain
GarryHarris
Spencer Torkelson is worth a go in SF.
Pete'sView
OR Posey.
GiantAttitude#24
Yawn! Even though I now live in Hawaii, It’s rough being a Bay Area Sports Fan these days!
Jean Matrac
You sound more like an A’s fan.
THEY LIVE!!!
D-Bags will make Pete an offer that he can’t refuse. Then they either trade Naylor or make Pete the DH.
Jackalopal
Alonso to San Diego seems like such a good fit to me. Makes more sense than this.
3 finger split
The only Polar Bear you will see in San Diego is at the San Diego Zoo or Sea World
HARD PASS
empirejim
Well, since the Pads are currently attempting to reduce their payroll I cant see them forking over the mulah for Pete…
Pads Fans
Padres have multiple guys that can play 1B. What they need is a catcher, a LF, and a SP, none of which Alonso plays.
settledownitsjustagame
The headline tomorrow will read “Giants considered Pete Alonso”
THEY LIVE!!!
Giants are considering bringing Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent back along with MadBum and Brian Wilson.
CravenMoorehead
And a juiced up Matt Williams just for posterity
5TUNT1N
Williams is already the 3rd base coach.
CravenMoorehead
Well juice him up again and get em some Nelson Cruz testosterone lozenges so he can flex his muscles every time he waves a runner rounding 3rd home.
THEY LIVE!!!
Barry Zito too.
Gumby82
After seeing what Texas got for Lowe, I’m pissed the Giants didn’t swipe him up
3 finger split
Who aren’t the Giants interested in?
Gumby82
Apparently Nathaniel Lowe
Brew’88
As soon as mlbtr rides with a “Giants show interest in…..”, that player soon signs with another team
dasit
here for the “failing liberal city with poop-covered sidewalks” posts
SteamyNipsMcCronk
Every time SF gets mentioned. I’m sure their villages built around the local Walmart are fighting off free agent professional sports athletes with a stick. Also, they don’t have sidewalks to poop on, they have to drive 30 minutes each way just to find a sidewalk suitable for pooping
Red Sox Restoration Project
I’m a conservative and I actually liked visiting San Fran. It has its issues but it was far better than Los Angeles as a visitor
THEY LIVE!!!
In the last 40 years the state has been turned into a cesspool. Only the central coast and the valley are livable.
CravenMoorehead
Everyone wants to talk about how bad LA and SF are when the city of Oakland still exists
Pads Fans
When the city of St Louis and Baltimore and Detroit and Las Vegas and Cleveland and Kansas City and Milwaukee still exist.
Bucsfan4ever
KC is a very nice town. Agree with you on the rest, though Detroit is trying hard to turn it around but hard to do when it was almost like Berlin at the end of WW2
Red Sox Restoration Project
Ever been to New York? Not as glamorous as it seems
CleaverGreene
A reasonable conservative! you’re like a Dodo bird. I can’t believe I found one!
Red Sox Restoration Project
I don’t know if I would be considered “reasonable” but I’ll take it. Most baseball fans don’t think I’m reasonable when it comes to baseball. As a politician, I respect all views but clearly have mine. I won’t force them on you. I did like SF a lot though, but I did only see the good parts I suppose.
Reynaldo's
Boras clients signed up for this, and now they get to panic.
Pads Fans
Why in the world would they panic? They are all getting paid big time this offseason.
Humm bumms
Alonso and Flaherty at this point and that’s pretty good!
Jean Matrac
I hope this is just due diligence.
oldgfan
Ya, throw out 1 year 18M to say we tried..
JackStrawb
Hey, he might just take it.
SteamyNipsMcCronk
Rather have Wade than Alonso when comparing production for price. Plus Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years, and won’t be worth his contract as soon as he puts pen to paper.
nahnvrmnd
Absurd take, in 2-3 years Alonso will still be hitting 30+ and playing a solid 1b no matter where he plays. Wade is older and his career average is even lower than Alonso’s. His career ops is nearly 100 points lower. Sounds like some hateful wishful thinking on your part. Good luck with that
Jean Matrac
nahnvrmnd, Yeah, just ignore the time commitment and financial aspects comparing the 2. Wade will cost the Giants about $21M less in 2025, and is a bridge to their number 1 prospect, expected to be called up in 2026 at the latest.
Sure Alonso is the better hitter, but Wade is the far better fielder. An OAA of -9 is not playing a solid 1B. Not to mention that the age difference is less than one year.
nahnvrmnd
Wade is not a far better fielder, even using the bogus defensive metrics used today you’d have to cherry pick those and even then it’s certainly not far better. Wade’s ops is pathetic. There is no comparison here and bringing up a prospect that might never pan out all is ridiculous. But sure, go with Wade.
nahnvrmnd
Notg to mention, i didn’t compare the contracts or the time committment. You’re the one that that said Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years and won’t be worth his contract the moment he signs it.If you want to talk production, in 4 years Wade has given ther Giants a total of 51 hrs and 161 rbi hitting 248 with a 767 ops just in his rookie year and making 555,000 Alonso gave the Mets 53 hrs 120 rbi hit 260 358 obp and 941 ops.But yeah, you’re getting great value for Wade’s production lol
Jean Matrac
First off, I never said Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years. You’re confused. Another poster said that, not me.
Wade isn’t great with the glove, -3 OAA over the last 3 seasons. But that’s far better than Alonso, ranked 5th from last among 40 with -9 OAA Wade is -4 OAA for his career. Alonso is -24 OAA for his career. He is a bad fielder, and just about every 1B in MLB is better with the glove than him.
Wade has also played the OF, and has better defensive numbers in the OF than Alonso has at 1B. Any manager would be nuts to put Alonso in the OF.
Wade’s OPS last season was .761, Alonso’s was .788, But sure Wade’s was pathetic. Ridiculous take. Wade will also platoon with Flores. Wade’s splits have him with a career OPS of .790 against RHPs. Flores’ OPS against LHPs is .800.
So if you think Alonso at $25M a year is better than a Wade/Flores platoon, with their higher OPS, at about $7.5M a year, think again, Giants’ fans can celebrate the fact that you’re not the PBO.
Pads Fans
OAA is just range, nothing else.
WAR measures it all. Who was better?
Jean Matrac
Well range is a huge factor in good defense. And, OAA is range based, but isn’t just range. It takes into account the difficulty of the play and how much time and space there is to get to a ball, based on factors like how hard a ball is hit., and in some circumstances the speed of the runner.
But if you want to do dWAR: Alsonso -4.5, Wade -2.7.
Pads Fans
StatCast says the word RANGE next to OAA. Its a measure of range.
Jean Matrac
Statcast say that OAA is “a range-based metric of fielding skill that accounts for the number of plays made and the difficulty of them.”
If you click on the link to further info the short version offered there says OAA is based on:
• How far the fielder has to go to reach the ball (“the intercept point”)
• How much time he has to get there
• How far he then is from the base the runner is heading to
• On force plays, how fast the batter is, on average
They go on to compare Billy Hamilton and Albert Pujols as runners, making it a different play, and how speed is accounted for.
It also explained Tatis Jr’s low OAA as a SS in 2019. 26 SS played more innings than him, but he made more throwing errors than any other SS that season. So it’s not just range.
Let me repeat. OAA is range based, but it’s inaccurate to say it’s range, nothing else. And I’ll also repeat that range is probably the biggest factor in good defense.
Pads Fans
Range. All of that is range.
Jean Matrac
It’s obviously not if Tatis’ throwing errors lowered his OAA.
nahnvrmnd
Seriously, it;s like you want to be wrong, Wade is a career 411 slg 762 ops, Alonso is 514/854 his worst year ops is higher than Wade’s career. They don’t have a higher ops no matter how you wanna talk about splits because Wilmer also plays second and third and dh a lot and you cant just randomly add all hios off stats and say, that’s partv of a 1b platoon, And Wade is an absolutely terrible outfielder.Now tell me what is higher761 or 788? No fo in the league would take Wilmer and Wade over Alonso regardless of aav or years. Youre reaching so bad it’s not even funny but ok, you go with that
Pickle_Britches
Dbacks will regret signing Burnes just like they do signing Madbum and Jordan Montgomery
Red Sox Restoration Project
You might be right about that. We will see
MC Tim C
Maybe but MadBum was already on the decline and Montgomery’s advanced stats suggested serious regression was coming.
Red Sox Restoration Project
Isn’t that saying the same thing? Regression and decline are basically the same thing, are they not?
frugalfarhan
Great article nothing critical to say about it this is fun just keep deleting all those nasty posts I made that werent rainbows and unicorns
Pickle_Britches
Giants should really be trying to get some more pop in the lineup. Alonso will be the best fit player to rid them of a 20 year curse of having a player hit more than 30 HR in a season. Willy Adames might do it but he may fall short. Alonso would be ideal for the Giants
Pickle_Britches
Giants should trade for Pablo Lopez. He’d be perfect for them and is controllable for a few years without giving up draft picks
empirejim
Awesome! Signing Alonso will go a long way towards addressing the team’s biggest need, the rotation.
Red Sox Restoration Project
Huge mistake if Mets don’t sign him in my opinion. They openly sign Soto but won’t sign the guy who has helped them them the past years?
With their frail rotation, they’ll need as much offense as they can get.
Pickle_Britches
Yea relying on a tier rotation is needed when they don’t score runs lol. Giants need HR hitters and run producers. Farm is trash and have Eldridge to look forward to that has a chance.
christopher8002
If only Wade could be a regular outfielder, his market/trade value would expand greatly, given his very desirable on-base percentage.
Jean Matrac
I don’t think so. The biggest knock against Wade is his less than desirable power for a corner position. It would be same if he played LF.
Stone Seal
Not to mention his lack of durability.
Jean Matrac
I think the lack of durability is overstated. Yeah, he’s had some hamstring issues, but he was also used almost exclusively as a platoon player early in his career, and still gets platooned regularly. Averaging 110 games per season for the 4 years in SF is about what you’d expect from a platoon player. Omit 2022 which was the only season where he lost significant time to injury, and he’s averaged 120 games per year for the other 3 seasons.
foppert3
I’m not so sure. That knee seems chronic and his hammy can’t handle it. I would have thought if there was a surgical option it would have been done. I can’t see him getting better. Such a shame. Power was there before the knee became an issue. I think it’s a spend the rest of his career managing pain situation.
Jean Matrac
Admittedly, I don’t really know, but if the knee was as bad as you think, it seems like he would have a procedure to strengthen it. I am counting on Flores bouncing back, and if he does, platooning with him should help keep Wade reasonably healthy. 1B doesn’t require that much movement after all. I’d be happy with 120 games.
foppert3
Yeah. I’m good as it is until the phenom arrives. I’ve just got bad vibes re Wade Jr. ever being 100%.
JackStrawb
He’s been a 2-win player the last two seasons even so, and his salary rates to be under $5m in 2025. He’d bring back a respectable prospect.
braveshomer
No Thanks, Atlanta already has a good first baseman and DH
Bucsfan4ever
Would not want Alonso in ATL anyhow as he is a major DH and I DON’T mean designated hitter
Devlsh
ARE they considering Pete Alonso….or is this just floated by the Alonso camp to give the Mets a nudge?
Lindor's Bodyguard
ARE the Mets considering Bregman… or is the Bregman rumor floated by Scott Boras to give someone a nudge? I can’t follow all the innuendos.
mab51357
Pretty sure Alonso stays with the Mets. Giants should pass on him. Not very good defensively. Wade is much better on defense. I think Wilmer and Wade will hold down 1B for this year just fine. Biggest concern is injury history of Wade.
stingray23
Ha!
Niekro floater
Saying Giants are in on somebody is kiss of death, he’ll now sign w/different team. Same w/Jay’s this offseason.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
Alonso’s best trait is his power. In that ballpark, he’ll be lucky to hit 30hrs. Giants should be focused on developing line drive firstbasemen like a Kevin Loney
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
James Loney*
rocky7
You’re absolutely correct except he might have difficulty hitting 25 HR’s in that ballpark…..he’d be crazy to take a contract to play in SF but his options are disappearing fast……
frugalfarhan
Jeff Kent, Rich Aurelia, Ellis Burks, Pat Burrell, Andres Gallaraga, Buster Posey, and Matt Chapman last year all did fine in that park hitting from the right side. Kevin Elster famously hit 3 in the first game ever there! Problem hasnt been the park it has been the right handed bats. A good right handed hitter can hit 30+ bombs here we just havent had one in a while
Central Valley
I love watching LaMonte Wade work a count, however, I hope the Giants sign Pete Alonso. Alonso is marketable star that would sell a ton of tickets.The Giants need a star.
It would be pretty sweet seeing a Giants uniform in the Home Run Contest.
PhilliesFan91
Giants already lost 2 draft picks for Adames. I think Alonso goes to seattle or Cubs. Seattle needs offense
JackStrawb
@Central Valley Nobody in SF cares about Alonso. He will sell perhaps four season tickets.
Salzilla
Pleeeease let this happen. I want see how the Mets and their fans spin this. To me, this should have been a priority 1 signing for their fanbase or at least 2, as I get Soto didn’t want to wait. But this would be a massive mistake for the Mets and a great upgrade for the Giants.
padrepapi
It could turn out to be a prudent move if the Mets don’t retain Alonso. A 804 OPS 1b in his 30’s that likely won’t age amazingly isn’t the kind of player that is irreplaceable. Imagine if he puts up a .770 OPS followed by a .750 OPS these next two years and is still signed for 3 or 4 more years. That is not an asset.
Not to mention keeping him on a longterm deal likely takes them out of pursuing Vlad who will be 5 or so years younger then Alonso is with a ton more upside. Lindor, Soto & Vlad would be a potent trio for the offense.
A short term deal, say 2 years with an opt out in 1 year would be a different story.
JackStrawb
@padrepapi How do you get an .804 OPS from Pete’s 2024 .788 OPS (and a dismal .459 SLG when that’s his calling card), friend?
SLG is the one thing Pete has to sell and he’s, what… about 40th in MLB for SLG? He barely pipped Iglesias in slugging in 2024.
Nor should the Mets even THINK of giving Pete an opt-out when even more decline is likely in 2025, all but guaranteeing he’ll take the opt-out.
3.8, 2.8, 2.1 fWAR, 2022-2024. Why would anyone be surprised by that 2.1 becoming 1.4, 0.7, then 0.0 in 2027? We should be surprised if that ISN’T his trajectory given the fate of R-R 1Bmen who, like Pete are already in steep decline, making any offer likely to be catastrophic.
Hard to see what the Mets plan is at the corner IF positions, though.
It’s easy to see some beknighted team offering Alonso more than the Mets are willing to pay, so it’s difficult to imagine with most FAs off the board that the Mets are actually in on Alonso and that he’s anything other than a Plan Z pillow contract if he falls into their laps at 1/20m.
And they clearly weren’t interested in a one-year stopgap at 3B and moving Vientos to 1B, since the stopgaps are off the board.
—That leaves moving Vientos to 1B which means the Mets are content with their internal options at 3B, and that means Mauricio since they’ve never played Acuna even one inning at 3B, and they’ve moved McNeil off 3B since 2021, even in emergencies.
Lindor's Bodyguard
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metvibes
I believe Alonso would make a great addition for the Giants. They should give him a 8 year 240 million contract.
Old York
Acquiring Alonso would likely result in diminished returns, both in terms of on-field performance and the opportunity cost of losing financial flexibility and prospect capital. The Giants would be better served targeting more versatile offensive threats who can thrive in Oracle Park’s challenging conditions or continuing to develop their internal options like Bryce Eldridge.
Acoss1331
Pete’s numbers the last two seasons aren’t pretty. He’s an all or nothing power hitter, and that ballpark will not help his approach. I agree with you, Giants should focus on guys that are more likely to hit doubles over having guys that just swing for the fences.
JackStrawb
Agreed, though Eldridge is at least a year away, a 19 yo in 2024 who had a great season at High A then an impressive 46 PA in the AFL. He held his own in AA at 19, then faltered at AAA but in a sample size so small it hardly matters.
A .270/.325/.460 line for a 19 yo in AA is impressive even if it’s in just 40 PA. He could easily not be a significant contributor before 2027, though.
Even so, forget Alonso. The Giants have Wade Jr for 2025 and can live with a stopgap in 2026, if they have to. That has to be better than paying whatever it happens to take to add Alonso.
Central Valley
What are the Giants plans regarding Marco Luciano? Package him in a trade? Does he still have a lot of value?
JayRyder
Burnes was just to risky. With declining numbers. The G’s voiced this and Boras pivoted to get the 200 mil he promised his Client. Albeit was caveats galore. Which again turned off the G’s.
Young controllable pitching is a Sabean Specialty. And the G’s future lies in this. Probably will take 2-3 seasons to stockpile but if Posey is a Giants throwback then this is the way.
Alonzo would be fun for 5 years banging homers too.
Jean Matrac
Luciano is only 23, 2 years younger than Ramos. 2 years ago people were ready to let Ramos go. Not that Luciano will duplicate what Ramos has, but it’s too soon to give up on him. His trade value is low so they’ll probably just see what progress he can make.
oldgfan
They should probably park him in LF at the AAA level this entire season. Progress at the plate and position. Let Yaz walk next year, move Ramos to RF and hopefully Luciano could be yet another new different starting LF for 2026. If the bat is still uncertain you could see a platoon there with McCray.
Jean Matrac
I see Matos as the replacement for Yaz. Luciano could still wind up in the MI. I’m not entirely sold on Fitzgerald.
oldgfan
Fitz might be better used as the utility guy in the long term. His speed, power, and versatility impresses me.
I’m still thinking they go after HSK for 2B though long term though which is why Luciano might better break the roster on the grass.
Victory Faust
Please, no. Unless Alonso has seen all his options dry up and wants a one year reset deal. He is on a downward trajectory and will block Giants top prospect..
Attystephenadams
Please sign him Buster! I’m a Mets fan and I’ve seen more than enough, even though I personally like the guy. His HRs are mostly mistake fastballs and he’s so screwed up at the plate that he’s lunging at and chasing breaking balls in the dirt constantly, it’s like he can’t help himself, and he’s unwilling to make adjustments. He’s not a good defender and seemed to make a lot of dumb mental mistakes in the field this year. On the positive side he’s a good teammate, he seems to be a good guy, he’s always available for the media, and he’s durable. However, those don’t make up for his quickly declining skills.
I’m not familiar enough with Oracle to know if it will hold down his HR numbers, but CitiField is not a hitters’ park, and most of his dingers clear the wall by quite a bit, so it probably won’t be an issue.
Btw, despite what the writer and others seem to think, there’s no guarantee that Vientos will be an adequate replacement at first for Pete. While he’s played there some in the minors, the vast majority of his experience is on the left side of the infield and he’s only played 14 games at first in the majors. It remains to be seen whether he can play the position adequately.
JackStrawb
@Attystephenadams That’s hardly the case. Vientos has played half a season at 1B in pro ball and appeared competent. To be an improvement and for the move to make sense he only has to be one of:
a) better at 1B than he is at 3B, which is all but a given since 1B is significantly easier and by all accounts GM’s still universally believe everyone can play 1B, or
b) better defending 1B than Alonso, which of course he will be given Pete was one of the worst defensive 1Bmen in MLB.
His bat plays well enough to be an improvement in the overall on Alonso even if his glove is -12 compared with Pete’s dismal -10 and total lack of range.
Anything’s better, really, than paying Pete multiple years at 22m-plus a year. It will be interesting to find out the most he’s been offered to this point. 4/90m?
slider32
Mets are contenders, and contenders need to add top players not average players.
claude raymond
Another trade rumors writers that is clueless about QO penalties. Signing Alonso does NOTCOST ANOTHER $1MILL!!!!! Just 2 more picks. ONLY! 2 picks and 1 mill for the adames signing and 2 more picks for alonso. NOT ANOTHER ONE Mill. Get it straight….please. This makes 3 clueless writers. Franco. Polishuk and already forget the first writer that messed this up.
Non Roster Invitee
No mention of Wilmer Flores in the article. Him and Wade would make a good tandem. Use Alonzo dollars for Sasaki.
LongTimeFan1
@Non Roster Invitee,
Sasaki can only receive a team’s 2025 international pool money because he’s below age 25 Alonso dollars cannot be used for Sasaki.
claude raymond
As usual you have ZERO clue. Sasaki can only sign a minor league deal. Giants are limited to $5+mill for Sasaki.
Irishblade
I feel like this is a stretch. A huge stretch.
LongTimeFan1
Alonso has repeatedly made clear he wants to play first base, not be a DH. Unless he’s changed his mind, the Giants would have same problem as Mets – blocking a high on base, power hitting first base prospect in their system. For the Mets, not until 2026.
claude raymond
FYI, baseball savant site shows Alonso would lose 3.8 hrs a year playing in Oracle. Those are “adjusted” numbers. “adjusted” refers to fence distance and height. And it’s “adjusted” for the environmental factors like wind and weather conditions. in other words, oracle would not be as detrimental to his power numbers as many think.
Pickle_Britches
That would still make him hit 30+ HR something that no giants player has done in 20 years. Bonds was the last 30+ HR guy. They have had several years where they couldn’t have a player hit at least 20 HR.
Redwolves3
Giants showing interest in Alonso. Why? Sounds like another Boras ploy to force Mets to increase their $$$ & contract offer
Unless Posey is truly interested in Alonso why settle for a player who has said he really wants to finish his career as a Met
Definitely feels like Boras is trying to take advantage of Posey (1st time President of Baseball Operations)
Pads Fans
That was my pick of his destination in the FA contest. Would make 7 right for me.
Samuel
Ahhhhh…..
So we’re now at the point in the offseason where just about all the big name FA’s are signed and the smart teams are about to load up on unsexy players that they can make better for reasonable salaries as they prepare for the season.
One can tell when we hit this juncture because there’s one big name FA left standing with no chairs, and the writers suggest the SF Giants are a fit for them by spending paragraphs trying to shoehorn him into a roster in which he doesn’t fit.
Redwolves3
Again, why Alonso now? Boras being Boras.
jasonthebuc
He will want opt outs in his contract and if they weren’t willing to give them to Burnes, they more than likely wouldn’t give them to him.
WadeBoggsWildRide
How does Wade Jr. have almost as much WAR as Alonso last year? Is he a Gold Glover or something I am not seeing on Baseball Reference?
oldgfan
O B P
foppert3
The man has stretches where you feel like he is just about to gain national recognition. Then the knee aches, the compensating hammy breaks under the pressure and back he goes. Loses his power. I feel really sorry for Wade. A victim of failing anatomy. I’m not surprised the trade talk has been just talk. I doubt the knee MRI looks all that good.
Jean Matrac
Not a Gold glover, but still a better defender than Alonso, that and his impressive OBP. He would have tied for 7th best in MLB had he enough PAs
Pickle_Britches
That’s the problem. ABs lol. What did Wade hit like 8 hr in 24? WAR under 6 in his career that he’s never played a full season? Alonso had a WAR as good as Wades career on his rookie season lol. Giants need to score runs..Wade isn’t the key to that. Wade is a back up player on any contender in MLB. Alonso is a starter. Just because he draws walks don’t mean anything if he can’t score runs. Wade isn’t starting talent and will never play 160 games.
Jean Matrac
What’s with all the lols? Are you like 12?
You’re citing Alonso’s WAR from 6 years ago? Really? Not germane to who he is now. And since then he’s averaged less than 3 WAR per season.
You’re comparing Alonso to Wade, when you should be comparing Alonso to Wade and Flores because they’re a platoon. Over the last 4 seasons Wade/Flores has a combined 10.6 WAR. to Alonso’s 14.2. That extra 3.6 WAR spread out over 4 seasons is no where near being worth 3x the salary that Alonso will be paid going forward. Had Flores not missed the majority of the 2024 season, their WAR would have been even higher.
You say it’s about scoring runs, and over the last 4 seasons Wade/Flores has scored 389 runs to Alonso’s 359. And again had Flores not missed all that time last season, the margin in runs would have been greater.
Wade/Flores is a much better option for the Giants than Alonso.
Pickle_Britches
If Wade was on a better offensive team his war would be much less just like if Alonso was on the Giants his War would be higher
Jean Matrac
You clearly don’t understand WAR. It’s replacement value, not relative value.
THEY LIVE!!!
This signing might put the D-bags over the Madres, or just ahead of the Gnats.
Swingandamiss
This is a horrible fit. They can have the same production from Josh Bell for half the cost and less commitment.
Tomas7
I agree, a horrible fit for Pete; I think Boras is trying to get as much as he can for Pete, May be another agent would be more realistic at this point; I remember what happened to comforto,I don’t remember his agent, but held off signing and was out of work for awhile. I hope for Pete to sign soon with the Mets.
TellItGoodbye
I’m all for having fun with rumors, that’s why we’re all here, but this is a bit much. Did the writer actually read the original piece by Slusser? It was a lengthy article that had nothing whatsoever to do with Alonso until a tiny remark tossed in at the end. That’s it. Nothing else about him or upgrading 1B or Wade, Jr.
Paleobros
I know there’s obviously more to life than WAR, but most of the other players mentioned in this article had rate-comparable war to Pete, if not slightly better, last year. Can’t help but feel he’s going to not get exactly what he’s looking for from any teams. Maybe I’m wrong
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Giants 2024
I don’t get the “not a good fit” comments. Eldridge is young a mayor may not need a year or more at AAA. Even if he does make an immediate impact, you can always put one or both at DH. Eldridge, so far, has been average with the glove. Why go through another season of Wade who draws walks, but has little power and no speed, and can’t hit lefties.
As far as the ball park, it doesn’t seem to bother visiting players who crank them out.
Pickle_Britches
Wades second half was terrible. 8hr for a 1b? Is a joke. Nobody cares about walks on a team that don’t score runs lol. 1b is a power position something the Giants haven’t had in 20 years. Belt would be better than Wade. Giants need to score runs and Alonso would be a good fit. Eldridge is not a guarantee that he’ll be solid. Could take him a few years. Alonso could DH later
Jean Matrac
Very few LHHs will hit a lot of HRs at Oracle. The PF for LHHS for HRs is 77. And again. you’re talking about half a platoon. No platoon player looked at individually, without his partner’s contribution, is not going to have great counting stats.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
When “or” begins the sentence, there shouldn’t be a comma after it.
LLGiants64
Please, no.
Tomas7
Pete will be very sorry if he chooses SF. Unless he gets the money he wants may be good for him and his family, but he is going to regret playing there, plus the city in its current is a cesspool of drugs, feces and urine in the streets, not to mention personal safety going to and from the games. Anyway, good luck and hope you like the money when you land there, a very bad move.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Um, so he’ll regret that city because of the cesspool of drugs, feces and urine in the streets…and the concerns of personal safety going to and from games? How does that differ from playing in NY?
JackStrawb
Or Kansas City?
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Exactly a helpful point whether you intended it or not. Facts are that every metropolitan city has major flaws. I never understand why people will bash one metropolitan city over another. They all pretty much have the same universal problems.
From my life experience, it’s only the delusional or those that never leave their home area that think that any city is worst than another. All metroplitan cities have the same good and bad things in all of them. All people that live in rural or semi-rural have the same experiences no matter which ones they’re in. All small towns have the same traits. Nothing really differs from one place to another except for cultures, language, weather, and other things that have nothing to do with whether a place is good or bad.
sportsfan117
Take em
semut
Sure, and they’re considering Judge, and Stanton, and Shohei, and XXXXX. The big question though is if Alonso is considering SF. That seems to be their big problem in the past couple years, the whole “mutual interest” thing
JackStrawb
And now we’re hearing idiocy like the Mets are offering 3/90m to Alonso, with player opt-outs.
Because that’s what a smart team really wants: A 30 yo 1-D slugger in steep decline having the option to stick around at 30m a year for two more years after not being worth 30m in the first year of the deal. Whose ONLY calling card is slugging, and he only slugged .459.
3/90m is simply impossible. It’s only possible Stearns made a different offer, such a lowball offer that…
a) Alonso didn’t believe he was serious, and that it was only a matter of time before Stearns came to his senses and saw TEH HRZZZ!!!. This in fact buys the Mets time to make other moves while pretending to give Alonso room “to see what’s out there.”
b) Stearns didn’t believe Alonso could conceivably accept an offer of something like 2/45m, so he was off the hook. If it was more it should have been a conditional offer which the Mets can back out of without incurring obligations or enmity. The alternative is that Stearns has kept the Mets ‘interest’ vague even to the point of not disclosing years or AAV, and has resisted feelers from Boras aimed at pinning the Mets down.
This is what a canny GM / PBOPs does in order not to alienate the 12 year olds who want the Mets to sign Alonso for Judge money, and in order not to get stuck with an aging ‘slugger’ at a 25-30m AAV when for 800k in 2025 they can even stick Baty at 3B and almost certainly match Alonso’s 2025 production with Baty’s fangraphs-projected 1.8 fWAR, plus the additional 0.8 fWAR the Mets would pick up by moving Vientos’ modest defense to 1B.
Teoscar’s coming off a year twice as valuable as Alonso’s 2024. How is it possible the Mets would then offer Alonso an AAV 35% higher than what Teo got?
Or… how is Alonso meaningfully better in the overall than Christian Walker? The Mets would be better off signing Jurickson Profar to play 1B than they would to sign Alonso at double the rumored AAV.