The Giants already made one big infield addition by signing Willy Adames, and kept Matt Chapman off the free agent market entirely by signing the third baseman to a six-year, $151MM extension back in September. With the Giants still weighing big moves, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that “Pete Alonso is on their radar” as a significant upgrade to the first base/DH mix.
As it stands, LaMonte Wade Jr. will be getting the bulk of first base at-bats, as the left-handed hitting side of what will likely be a platoon situation. That said, reports have suggested San Francisco is open to moving Wade, and that the Giants had some interest in signing Paul Goldschmidt before Goldschmidt landed with the Yankees. Top prospect Bryce Eldridge is viewed as the long-term answer at first base, and with Eldridge making his Triple-A debut in 2024, a shorter-term signing like Goldschmidt made sense as a bridge at the position.
Adding Alonso would only somewhat change that direction. If Alonso took over the everyday first base role, Wade could be shifted into the part-time DH role, and Wade is a free agent next winter so he might not remain part of the Giants’ future plans. Eldridge played some outfield in 2023 but is largely viewed as a first baseman going forward, so he and Alonso could form a powerful first base/DH combo even if such an arrangement would lock down both positions for years to come.
There’s also a possibility that Eldridge could become a big trade chip the Giants can dangle to address other needs, or that Alonso wouldn’t necessarily be a long-term addition. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand hears from various executives around the league that Alonso’s next contract might involve an opt-out clause or two, thus allowing Alonso to re-enter the market potentially as early as the 2025-26 offseason. Alonso’s agent Scott Boras has included such opt-out provisions in several of his clients’ deals in recent years, in some cases creating an extra level of flexibility for teams and for players coming off less-than-ideal platform years.
It could be argued Alonso is coming off two relative down years, as he has a solid but unspectacular 121 wRC+ since the start of the 2023 season. The first baseman slugged 80 homers and hit .229/.324/.480 in 1353 plate appearances over that span, while providing little value with his glove or on the basepaths. Clubs are increasingly wary about committing big money to first base-only players in general, and Alonso’s increasingly homer-heavy approach raises questions about his overall offensive value.
Oracle Park may not exactly be the best ballpark for a right-handed hitting slugger to re-establish his value, though Alonso’s options may be increasingly limited. The Yankees (Goldschmidt), Astros (Christian Walker), Diamondbacks (Josh Naylor), and Nationals (Nathaniel Lowe) have all addressed their needs at first base. MLBTR’s Leo Morgenstern recently looked at Alonso’s market and cited the Giants along with the Reds, Tigers, Blue Jays, as possible darkhorse candidates for the slugger, along with the more obvious possibility that Alonso just re-signs with the Mets.
Indeed, most of the executives who spoke with Feinsand “believe an Alonso/Mets reunion is inevitable,” even if such a deal involves opt-out clauses. The Mets remain linked to both Alonso and Alex Bregman, leaving the team with an interesting choice of top-tier corner infielders since Mark Vientos can play first or third base depending on who is signed. (Or, it isn’t entirely out of the question that the aggressive Mets could sign both Bregman and Alonso, with Vientos moving to DH.) Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that “a sizable gap” remains between Alonso and the Mets in their current negotiations.
Because both Adames and Alonso rejected qualifying offers, the Giants would have to surrender two more draft picks and another $1MM in international bonus pool money if they brought Alonso into the fold to join their new shortstop. This might not necessarily be an obstacle since the Giants already gave up two picks and $1MM to sign Chapman and Blake Snell (two other qualified free agents) last offseason. RosterResource estimates San Francisco for roughly a $167.1MM payroll and $207.5MM luxury tax number in 2025, so adding Alonso is feasible even if it remains unclear how much ownership is willing to spend on next year’s roster.
The Giants’ pursuit of Corbin Burnes signaled that the club was willing to make another splurge, though Slusser notes that they didn’t offer Burnes more than the $210MM over six years than the righty received from the Diamondbacks. Indeed, Slusser frames the Giants’ courtship of Burnes as fairly limited, writing that “San Francisco’s pursuit never advanced much beyond initial talks at the general manager meetings…and an offer made at that point did not get things off the ground.”
President of baseball operations Buster Posey addressed the Giants’ next steps in a text to The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly, with Posey writing “We believe in our young arms, and feel like they are in a position to take some big steps forward. [We] will continue to look on the offensive side for players that give us a chance to score runs in multiple ways.”
tom brunanskys black sock
I’m considering housing 3 McRibs
retire21
I can find nothing wrong with this plan.
deweybelongsinthehall
One McRib is one too many. Disgusting meat compost slithered in BBQ sauce and onions to hide the mystery meat.
tom brunanskys black sock
@dwight
Your loss! More for me.
youngliam
It’s not mystery meat, it’s pork shoulder aka “butt” and cushion meat. McDonalds brings back the McRib when the pork market is on a downturn so they can buy it cheap and the sheer quantity they buy brings the market back up. As a butcher I enjoy watching the prices fluctuate during McRib season.
damancash
Blasphemy !! What lies will be spread next? Santa Claus isn’t real?
McRib has actually been improved nutritionally recently, why else would McDonald’s have increased the price?
Jon Heyman even reported that it wasn’t the 800 million
that convinced Soto to sign with the Mets it was uncle Steve agreeing to stock Soto’s suite with McRibs
so there! Lol
tom brunanskys black sock
@ $
oldgfan
As a death row inmate when asked for your last meal menu, always go with the McRib and a shamrock shake. The two are rarely on the menu at the same time… It might just buy you some time.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Alonso and Oracle are a horrible fit. Eldridge looks solid. Sure, Giants might consider a one or two year deal, but Nets and Nationals – even the mariners – make more sense.
tom brunanskys black sock
Extra pickles, baby!
deweybelongsinthehall
Forgot it had pickles too …
CFS77
McVommit extra green please.
Ma4170
Not really. Citi Field is a pitchers park. He has a career 910 ops and 610 SLG w 7 HR in 75 PA at oracle. He can hit HR anywhere.
Pete'sView
About a third of his HRs in 2024 were to the opposite field (right field). So imagine that many of those HRs will NOT translate to dingers when playing at Oracle Park.
I don’t think signing Alonso is a smart move for the Giants, especially with first baseman Bryce Eldridge not far off.
Jean Matrac
Pete, I agree, though handedness is a moot point. Oracle is almost as bad for LHHs (77 HR PF) as it is for RHHs (79 PF) for HRs. I’d rather they get a more complete hitter. Like someone with more 2Bs, instead of a guy that swings for the fences.
Fred
Ramos did well last year to the right field arcade for the Giants, and that left field fence plays well for right handed power hitters. You just gotta be strong enough to get it up above the 25 foot fence in right.
Ma4170
It wasn’t a third, I just went through them all. Remember, 16 of the 34 HR were on the road and he has 123 HR on the road for his career. Of all the HR I just watched last year, maybe 2 at most wouldn’t have gone out of Oracle, and they would have been XBH anyway. He would do fine as a Giant. His average exit velo may not be elite, but when he hits them hard, they go a long way.
youngliam
Half of the games are played on the road, he may lose a few to Oracle but I would wager it is less than 5.
Balk
I actually don’t mind this approach, Alonso could DH when Eldridge is ready. Oracle is a big park. Lock up good players now while you can. Might entice others to join
Ma4170
24 of his 34 HR were 400 feet plus. I agree, less than 5 at most, and like I said, MAYBE two last year wouldn’t have cleared the wall. Matt Chapman hit 27 last year, and 18 were on the road. Alonso can hit 35+ as a Giant without a problem.
Jean Matrac
Balk, The trouble with that is they’re spending a ton of money for a DH only guy, and robbing the team of the flexibility to cycle other players through the DH position.
Jean Matrac
I looked at Statcast’s Expected Home Runs by Park, for Alonso. They show him hitting 33 at Oracle. According to them he’d do best signing with the Reds, or Phillies, where they have him hitting 46 in each.
But I don’t really like they way they do it, since it’s based on all games played at each park. For instance, even though he hit 38 HRs in 2024, they have him hitting only 36 playing all games at Citi Field.
Pads Fans
Alonso is a dead pull hitter. If he had played in Oracle, Statcast said he would have hit one less HR. Other than increasing the number of doubles he hits, I don’t think playing there will impact his line much.
There are other reasons it might not be a good fit but power is not one of them. If he was a LHB it would be a different story.
Balk
Jean, Yeah I get it, but we have to start getting some guys in there with some pop. They have the cash. Spend it!
Jean Matrac
Balk, I have no problem with spending money on guys with some pop. I just think Alonso is not the guy. I’d like to see that pop in the form of hard contact with more XBHs, instead of all or nothing guys.
Ma4170
Well, the last four seasons he has 67, 67, 69, 65 XBH. Thats pretty consistent and solid.
Blue Baron
Top 100: Why do you keep mentioning the Nationals now that they acquired Nathaniel Lowe?
Pickle_Britches
He is clueless that’s why
deweybelongsinthehall
At the right price, if Casas is dealt, I would love to see him in Boston. Living in NY, I’ve seen his defense and it’s not as bad as metrics suggest.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Blue Baron
I assume that James Wood will play outfield rather than DH. Room for Lowe and Alonso. Am I mistaken?
Blue Baron
Probably. I seriously doubt they would invest that much in another first baseman.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Again, I am assuming 3 yrs/90 or 4 yrs/100 with multiple opt-outs.
Abrams SS
Garcia 2B
Lowe 1B
Alonso/Bell DH
Wood OF
Crews OF
Tena/House 3B
C Ruiz
OF Young
If they don’t sign a DH, maybe Wood is the DH and Call is the next OF
I still have the Mets as the most likely destination
Blue Baron
They don’t have anyone named Bell on their 40-man.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pete Alonso and Josh Bell are free agents. If no one is signed to be a DH, than maybe Call becomes the third outfielder and Wood the DH.
377194
Alonso turned down $90/3 with opt outs.
377194
Go ahead Alonso. You’ll hit 20 HR’s a year there.
letitbelowenstein
I’m considering the gorgeous blonde at my dentist’s office.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Why can’t the gorgeous blonde BE the dentist?
Inside Out
Sounds like Boras trying to create a market that does not exist. Alonso definitely regrets turning down deal from Mets previously.
Miken31
My thoughts exactly
holycow16
All these guys should self represent and cut out this Boras crap!
Blue Baron
holycow16: Why? Boras is the best agent in the business.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
Best is subjective. He is highly effective and his client list dwarfs Wasserman and Levinson. Maybe someday Rimas/Bad Bunny will take a big cut of the action, but that day has not yet come.
I don’t like some of Boras’ tone deaf comments, but you can’t argue with the results, at least if you are an elite player.
Blue Baron
Agreed, and I also have had enough of the ignorant comments from people who act like he’s some kind of agent of evil when he’s just doing his job.
Swingandamiss
Boras is only good for moving the market on elite players. Boras is also the king of players on bad deals. The past several years Boras’s tactics have backfired for players exactly like Alonso.
Blue Baron
And yet his clients continue to vote with their feet by hiring him and his agency. I seriously doubt he concerns himself with comments like yours and others on here.
Pads Fans
Well that comment about Boras sure was a swingandamiss.
nahnvrmnd
I doubt it, 22.5 per no opt outs? Boras wasn’t his agent then btw. Mets already offered him 90 for 3 years. He;s going into his age 30 season not his age 34. I’m confident he can make more than 158 over the next 7, hell the Giants just gave Chapman 155 for 6 and he’s two years older, his career numbers are all lower. Alonso will make out just fine.
Miken31
nahnvrmnd:
We are talking about a first basemen who is not very athletic with showing some signs of decline. What you’re saying is just not reality.
jerseyjohn
Nahmvrmd: You sound like Boras. Alonso has zero value beyond hitting. He’s slipping there as well. I wouldn’t commit more than 3 years at 25 mil or 2 at 30. I don’t see him in the league in 5 more years.
CleaverGreene
Chapman is a gold glove 3B, not a 1B/DH.
DarkSide830
Giants once again competing to be the best team to not make the playoffs.
mlbnyyfan
Does anyone really think if Pete is leaving New York? I doubt that very much.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
I do, I’m sure they would rather sign Vladdy next off season
Blue Baron
Mystery: How do you know that?
Pickle_Britches
Vladdy will be another pipe dream that the Giants can’t make happen.
Jean Matrac
Pickle_Britches, You do realize he was referring to the Met’s signing Vlad next season, not the Giants.
dankyank
There’s a lot of logic to moving on from Alonso. Doing so allows them to move Vientos and his subpar defense off of third. The Mets get to take a longer look at Baty and Mauricio. The draft pick, combined with the one received for Severino, further offsets the penalty for signing Soto (the picks will be slightly lower on the whole).
I get that Alonso is a strong community presence and clubhouse leader but Stearns doesn’t strike me as the sentimental type. One way or another, he will find ways to get the youngsters playing time.
padam
Yes. But it’s not a matter if he’s leaving, but rather do they want him back. I can see them pivoting to Bregman who is a much better defensive player and place Vientos at 1B for a year before going after Vladdy, and if successful, moving Vientos to DH and spelling a day off coverage for the corners.
dankyank
They don’t want him back. The lack of rumors between the Mets and Alonso make it clear. I get that he’s a clubhouse leader and and community figure but he both leaves them with a suboptimal defensive alignment and blocks a number of youngsters. Personally, I think Bregman is a foolish investment and the 3 QOs are a sign Stearns values a strong prospect pipeline.
The Soto signing should be viewed as the exception, not the rule. Every other free agent they signed is for 3 years or less. The front office has made it clear that they will find ways to preserve payroll flexibility for the next big splash.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Dankyank- agree with much of what you say but based on my observations of the Mets over the past few years Pete is not seen as a clubhouse leader. The players meeting that was convened after the dreadful start in 23 was led by Lindor, Nimmo and Marte. In post game interviews players frequently acknowledge the leadership of Lindor and Nimmo; they rarely if ever mention Pete. As a Met fan I’ve seen Pete’s stunning decline over the past couple of years and am surprised that there has not been more discussion in the media about it. I would not be unhappy if the Mets don’t sign him and would frankly be surprised if they did. I agree with your take on Bregman who has already walked away from a lengthy extension-like Pete. No way Stearns offers Bregman a lengthy contract
padam
@agree – Pete has been the opposite regarding leadership (agreeing with you). His whining and temper tantrums are a bit overdone. I’m not exactly a fan of signing a player like Bregman, but Conen is also a fan (not just an owner) and if a move on the field had to be made, that would be the one. Defense and flexibility along with some decent offense sides up that left side for 3-5 years. And with his market drying up, I can see the Mets getting a decent deal with a one-two year opt out while they go after Vladdy.
Simm
They fail short of that last season. Dbacks took that honor.
kylegocougs
M’s are tough competition there
mlb fan
Pete Alonso’s market is drying up faster than quick drying paint.
Ma4170
Why? He already plays in a pitchers park. He has a career 910 ops and 610 SLG w 7 HR in 75 PA at oracle. Its not like he plays home games in Cincinnati, plus he’s always had a strong road OPS.
flyingblindsquirrel
Because he’s not Vladdy and he’s looking to get paid lie he is.
This one belongs to the Reds
I wouldn’t mind if he played home games in Cincinnati.
johncoltrane
I still cant comprehend chapmans 6/151 deal
Sabean Wannabe
Why? If you look at estimates of cost per WAR, he probably needs to get somewhere between 15-20 WAR over the life of the contract to have it pay off for the Giants. Per Baseball Reference he just got 7.1 WAR this season (6.1 career average per year) and Fangraphs says 5.5 for this year (approx 5.5 WAR per year career). I think he can hit those numbers easily.
Simm
Nobody really loves war that comes from defense. A lot of people think war metrics on defense are flawed.
Sabean Wannabe
I understand many people felt like that in the early days of the Analytical Era, but everyone has had 20+ years to refine those numbers. And its not like he is defense only. His career OPS+ is 118.
JackStrawb
@Simm That pretends “nobody really loves” defensive statistics, which isn’t remotely the case.
AndyWarpath
I think you mean that you don’t really like WAR
carlos15
He’s not as good as his WAR suggests, it weighs too heavily things that don’t actually matter.
tom brunanskys black sock
Like what?
JackStrawb
@carlos15 Right, like hitting and defense for position players.
stymeedone
The Flaw of War is it is not revenue based. It is fantasy baseball based. If a team invests in a player, how much revenue will he bring back? That’s really all the owners care about.
CleaverGreene
Hypothetically. if the Mets lose 90 games in 2025/26 how much revenue will Soto’s 50M bring in ?
I’m not predicting that at all, but WAR is based on production with the bat and the glove. Revenue is not in any equation.
Pete'sView
johncoltrane — That’s because you obviously didn’t see him play day in and day out last season. The guy is a gamer on both sides of the ball.
tikiagedola
“gamer” dumbest comment ever. Just say you are ignorant
JackStrawb
@johncoltrane 2018-2024
Matt Chapman: 35.2 bWAR
Juan Soto: 36.4 bWAR
The frowny face is the one you make when you’re thinking.
padam
Overrated stat.
foppert3
Ha ha.
“Quick Susan, let the fans know we are after Alonso”
THEY LIVE!!!
Must really suck to be a Giants fan
foppert3
Nope. Providing you are in the normal range of self entitlement, it’s all good.
oldgfan
Nah.
It’s a good gig.
Don’t get your hopes up on overhyped players. Be patient with the farm, and know there are far worse teams who don’t even try to better their roster yearly.
flyingblindsquirrel
I’d think winning 3 of the last 15 World Series was pretty nice.
JackStrawb
Only if the Giants go to even just 4/$100m for at most a one-win upgrade for 2025 over Lamonte.
2023-24, Pete v LaMonte: 3.2, 2.6 bWAR v 2.7, 2.1 bWAR.
Someone tell me they’re not that foolish.
— As for player opt-outs, who would be fool enough to give Alonso even one player opt-out when the problem is he’s in steep decline and is a solid bet to decline again in 2025?
If even 1/30m rates to be a poor deal, why would you want him for 2/55m when he has another down year and decides to hang around for the 25m option in 2026.
1/30m for a 1-win upgrade, Even the Giants FO can’t be this silly. Pete’s a one-dimensional player whose calling card, slugging, is already down to .459.
1/25m or 2/40, maybe, if you can pick up a useful prospect for LaMonte’s 2025 season.
AndyWarpath
Alonso wouldn’t replace Wade. Alonso would go to 1b and Wade/flores would fill the black hole that is the dh spot on the Giants roster
CleaverGreene
The Mets will meet any reasonable contract that Alonso is offered. Pete is the Don Quixote of MLB..
fred-3
AT&T is a graveyard for low average, right-handed power hitters
MLB Top 100 Commenter
AT&T is about as obsolete as your land phone.
TheBoatmen
He meant Candlestick.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Boat
That was funny
talking baseball
AT&T ??
JackStrawb
@fred-3 Pete Alonso’s post-29 career is a graveyard for low average, right-handed power hitters.
Pads Fans
Hasn’t been AT&T in quite a while.
Alonso has hit .273/.347/.563/.910 there for his career and hit .280/.333/.560/.893 last season so definitely not a graveyard for him. More like home sweet home.
thecrown24
Pete’s Power Numbers would drop immensely playing half his games in that ball park.
Jean Matrac
Nope. Would probably be the same or similar, since both Citi Field and Oracle Park have the same 97 PF.
CleaverGreene
According to Statcast: Oracle is last in MLB for RHH and Citifild is 15th.
SteveNVegas
Can he pitch?
Pads Fans
Alonso has hit .273/.347/.563/.910 at Oracle Park over his career and hit .280/.333/.560/.893 there last season.
Both are better than what he hit overall or in Citi field.
The McNasty1
Pete wants nothing to do with San Fran … which is understandable since that city has been driven into the ground.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Beautiful city, fourth place team with park dimensions adverse to his declining game.
(Don’t get me wrong, every big city does have a small scummy part.)
Pads Fans
Beautiful city where Alonso has hit .273/.347/.563/.910 over his career and hit .280/.333/.560/.893 there last season.
Tomas7
SF is a cesspool of drugs, homeless, feces on the sidewalks(I used to have to dodge it every morning) it’s a city that has declined, used to be a very beautiful city, I wouldn’t take my wife to a ball game there, not safe with the crime there.
foppert3
Watch the Adames presser. Get the word from an actual participant who had numerous living options available to him. He articulates very well why SF is an attractive option for a man. If you couldn’t be bothered, I’ll summarise it for you. More diversity and less hate. Sounds like a great place for a modern thinking, intelligent man interested in doing the best thing for his fam.
tikiagedola
Haha. I’m sure you live in a diverse place. Gated community^
foppert3
Ha ha. Whatever suits your narrative, champ.
tikiagedola
It is true. When white libs have a choice, they move to white/Asian areas.
claude raymond
tiki, on a previous post you said Pete’s View was ignorant. Webster says “ignorant. Someone with “tiki” in their name.” Seriously, it says that. Look it up!
BITA
I do think white people sometimes underestimate how important diversity is in where someone might choose to live. The Midwest, for example, is lacking diversity in a lot of places.
tikiagedola
Oh really? White flight always happens. No white libs chooses diversity with options
foppert3
The problem is that baseball fandom seems a little devoid of modern thinking intelligent men. It’s all very much dominated by….ummm…traditional thinking.
THEY LIVE!!!
Men seeking men is your idea of diiverse then SF is your place. I avoid SF for all the reasons you claim and I live just 180 mi away where sensible people raise families.
foppert3
For most of the world, men being with men has risen above diverse. It is now just good people with different preferences living and letting live with no problem whatsoever. The fact you even go there indicates how stuck in the past people can get.
The McNasty1
A true Dem.
foppert3
Ha ha…..the weak as piss go to I was expecting. So McNasty !
Cmon man…..fire up that grey matter and do better.
Lindor's Bodyguard
He’s busy smoothing his brain. Let him be.
AndyWarpath
Imagine hating a city of a million people just because you’ve decided your ridiculous political allegiances are better than someone else’s ridiculous political allegiances.
TheGr8One
Pete (or agent at least) will want an opt out and it appears SF isn’t keen on these things anymore. I doubt he lands there unless his market is crap.
5/130 opt out after two to Seattle
Just a guess. It’s an overpay a little but Seattle has to do that to get FA’s
fred-3
The Mariners don’t even have $30 M to offer anyone, let alone $130 M
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Yeah we have to fill a bunch of holes with only 10 million
I’m so angry that we aren’t even named as a possibility for Alonso since we say that we are contending but have a gaping hole at first base (and third but no link to Alex bregman)
Looking like it’s gonna be Justin turner and yoan moncada
drdback
Alonso will sign with the Mets. He doesn’t want to go to the Giants.
PhilliesFan91
Somebody will overpay for Alonso but it’s not gonna be the mets. I think he goes to Seattle or Cubs.
Jean Matrac
Not the Cubs. They are apparently very happy with Busch at 1B.
PhilliesFan91
Seattle needs offense
Jean Matrac
Unless they have a near MLB-ready 1B like Giants, I think he’s better fit in Seattle than he is in SF.
JackStrawb
If Pete wanted to sign with the Mets AND wasn’t a greedhead, they’d be stuck with him already for the 6/135m left on their 7/158m offer.
The Mets dodged a bullet, though I wonder what the highest offier for Petey is? … 4/100m? Even that’s absurd. People know he’s down to a 2.1 fWAR and it’s dropping fast. Why would you assume he’s going to necessarily have even one more year where he’s worth a lineup slot?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
The new fangled Giants front office does seem to like the idea of short term high AAV contracts, which Alonso might be at the mercy of at this point.
2 years/$60M or something would likely get it done if he’s feeling desperate enough- and lets face it- if all these guys rejecting 6 years/$150M-ish deals are doing so because they actually think they are worth more per season than that and will be worth more per season over the life of these contracts, shouldn’t they be confident in proving the teams wrong and over performing and forcing the market to offer them 5 years/$160M or something like that after a 1-2 year “prove it” deal, so that guys like Alonso turn down 5 years/$140M only to basically secure themselves the equivalent of 6 years/$190M to 7 years/$220M?
It essentially worked out perfectly in this manner for Blake Snell. He couldn’t get better than 2 year offers last off season and then turned that into what is effectively a 6 years/$214M overall deal.
Unless…. some of these guys, like Pete Alonso, don’t think they’ll get that type of deal a year or two from now and are annoyed that teams are valuing them reasonably already?
Carter86
Why would he take 2 for 60 when the Mets already offered 3 for 90 with opt outs each year?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Last I read from just a couple days back, he’d turned down 6 years/$158M or so from the Mets. Have not heard of 3 years/$90M and my point is that at some point there is no offer from a team that feels like they’ve put forth a fair offer.
Plus it’s possible the kind of offer he’d turn down from the Mets might be for more than he’d accept from a different team in order to re-establish his market and get a nice guaranteed “insurance deal” aka a 2 year deal he could opt out of after the first season.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So I googled this / looked up all Pete Alonso articles on MLBTR and it’s an unsubstantiated rumor started by a former player- it’s pure hearsay and conjecture and nothing substantial.
The last substantial report on Alonso and the Mets was that they offered Alonso 7 years/$158M, which would have essentially been 1 year/$18M followed by 6 years/$140M or something along those lines.
Why would they or he consider 3 years/$90M deal if they were floating a 6 year/$140M deal for him and he’s seeking closer to 6-8 years/$200M?
Pads Fans
The last substantiated report was the Mets offering him a 5/125 extension prior to the 2023 season. There have been no confirmed offers since Stearns became the POBO.
That rumor came from Joel Sherman and he said it happened during the 2023 season. No one else corroborated his report according to this site. Even then the actual numbers he floated were for six free-agent years at $132 million. According to Sherman’s rumor, the Mets were willing to allow Alonso to go into arbitration that final time and start the contract with his first FA year.
Alonso was a client of Apex sports at the time that offer was supposedly made and they denied that Alonso ever received any offer over 5/125.
Since Alonso changed representation to Boras after the 2023 season we have heard only that they feel Alonso is worth more than the rumors.
“The market for consistent 40-homer, durable, infield-capable, true middle-of-the-lineup sluggers is the question,” Boras said. “Note there are none available in free agency and none coming [in the next few years]. Plus, he’s New York proven, which is an unanswered question for many others — not Pete. It’s elite-level durability and production at a prime age, which is simply something most MLB teams do not possess.”
JackStrawb
Alonso’s already in steep decline. His offseason is a beautiful lesson in ignorance and greed.
Rsox
Giants came out of nowhere and pounced on deals for Snell and Chapman as spring training was already underway, maybe they are hoping Pete is still sitting at home in March to get a bargain
tikiagedola
Top city, great diversity, best politics and future president. He should come
braveshomer
No Thanks, Atlanta already has a good first baseman and DH
Bucsfan4ever
Would not want Alonso in ATL anyhow as he is a major DH and I DON’T mean designated hitter
stingray23
Ha!
GarryHarris
Spencer Torkelson is worth a go in SF.
tikiagedola
Hahah.good thing you aren’t Harris
Pete'sView
OR Posey.
GiantAttitude#24
Yawn! Even though I now live in Hawaii, It’s rough being a Bay Area Sports Fan these days!
Jean Matrac
You sound more like an A’s fan.
THEY LIVE!!!
D-Bags will make Pete an offer that he can’t refuse. Then they either trade Naylor or make Pete the DH.
Jackalopal
Alonso to San Diego seems like such a good fit to me. Makes more sense than this.
3 finger split
The only Polar Bear you will see in San Diego is at the San Diego Zoo or Sea World
HARD PASS
empirejim
Well, since the Pads are currently attempting to reduce their payroll I cant see them forking over the mulah for Pete…
settledownitsjustagame
The headline tomorrow will read “Giants considered Pete Alonso”
THEY LIVE!!!
Giants are considering bringing Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent back along with MadBum and Brian Wilson.
CravenMoorehead
And a juiced up Matt Williams just for posterity
5TUNT1N
Williams is already the 3rd base coach.
CravenMoorehead
Well juice him up again and get em some Nelson Cruz testosterone lozenges so he can flex his muscles every time he waves a runner rounding 3rd home.
THEY LIVE!!!
Barry Zito too.
Gumby82
After seeing what Texas got for Lowe, I’m pissed the Giants didn’t swipe him up
3 finger split
Who aren’t the Giants interested in?
Gumby82
Apparently Nathaniel Lowe
Brew’88
As soon as mlbtr rides with a “Giants show interest in…..”, that player soon signs with another team
dasit
here for the “failing liberal city with poop-covered sidewalks” posts
SteamyNipsMcCronk
Every time SF gets mentioned. I’m sure their villages built around the local Walmart are fighting off free agent professional sports athletes with a stick. Also, they don’t have sidewalks to poop on, they have to drive 30 minutes each way just to find a sidewalk suitable for pooping
Red Sox Restoration Project
I’m a conservative and I actually liked visiting San Fran. It has its issues but it was far better than Los Angeles as a visitor
THEY LIVE!!!
In the last 40 years the state has been turned into a cesspool. Only the central coast and the valley are livable.
CravenMoorehead
Everyone wants to talk about how bad LA and SF are when the city of Oakland still exists
Pads Fans
When the city of St Louis and Baltimore and Detroit and Las Vegas and Cleveland and Kansas City and Milwaukee still exist.
Bucsfan4ever
KC is a very nice town. Agree with you on the rest, though Detroit is trying hard to turn it around but hard to do when it was almost like Berlin at the end of WW2
Red Sox Restoration Project
Ever been to New York? Not as glamorous as it seems
Reynaldo's
Boras clients signed up for this, and now they get to panic.
Pads Fans
Why in the world would they panic? They are all getting paid big time this offseason.
Humm bumms
Alonso and Flaherty at this point and that’s pretty good!
Jean Matrac
I hope this is just due diligence.
oldgfan
Ya, throw out 1 year 18M to say we tried..
JackStrawb
Hey, he might just take it.
SteamyNipsMcCronk
Rather have Wade than Alonso when comparing production for price. Plus Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years, and won’t be worth his contract as soon as he puts pen to paper.
nahnvrmnd
Absurd take, in 2-3 years Alonso will still be hitting 30+ and playing a solid 1b no matter where he plays. Wade is older and his career average is even lower than Alonso’s. His career ops is nearly 100 points lower. Sounds like some hateful wishful thinking on your part. Good luck with that
Jean Matrac
nahnvrmnd, Yeah, just ignore the time commitment and financial aspects comparing the 2. Wade will cost the Giants about $21M less in 2025, and is a bridge to their number 1 prospect, expected to be called up in 2026 at the latest.
Sure Alonso is the better hitter, but Wade is the far better fielder. An OAA of -9 is not playing a solid 1B. Not to mention that the age difference is less than one year.
nahnvrmnd
Wade is not a far better fielder, even using the bogus defensive metrics used today you’d have to cherry pick those and even then it’s certainly not far better. Wade’s ops is pathetic. There is no comparison here and bringing up a prospect that might never pan out all is ridiculous. But sure, go with Wade.
nahnvrmnd
Notg to mention, i didn’t compare the contracts or the time committment. You’re the one that that said Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years and won’t be worth his contract the moment he signs it.If you want to talk production, in 4 years Wade has given ther Giants a total of 51 hrs and 161 rbi hitting 248 with a 767 ops just in his rookie year and making 555,000 Alonso gave the Mets 53 hrs 120 rbi hit 260 358 obp and 941 ops.But yeah, you’re getting great value for Wade’s production lol
Jean Matrac
First off, I never said Alonso will be garbage in 2-3 years. You’re confused. Another poster said that, not me.
Wade isn’t great with the glove, -3 OAA over the last 3 seasons. But that’s far better than Alonso, ranked 5th from last among 40 with -9 OAA Wade is -4 OAA for his career. Alonso is -24 OAA for his career. He is a bad fielder, and just about every 1B in MLB is better with the glove than him.
Wade has also played the OF, and has better defensive numbers in the OF than Alonso has at 1B. Any manager would be nuts to put Alonso in the OF.
Wade’s OPS last season was .761, Alonso’s was .788, But sure Wade’s was pathetic. Ridiculous take. Wade will also platoon with Flores. Wade’s splits have him with a career OPS of .790 against RHPs. Flores’ OPS against LHPs is .800.
So if you think Alonso at $25M a year is better than a Wade/Flores platoon, with their higher OPS, at about $7.5M a year, think again, Giants’ fans can celebrate the fact that you’re not the PBO.
Pads Fans
OAA is just range, nothing else.
WAR measures it all. Who was better?
Jean Matrac
Well range is a huge factor in good defense. And, OAA is range based, but isn’t just range. It takes into account the difficulty of the play and how much time and space there is to get to a ball, based on factors like how hard a ball is hit., and in some circumstances the speed of the runner.
But if you want to do dWAR: Alsonso -4.5, Wade -2.7.
Pads Fans
StatCast says the word RANGE next to OAA. Its a measure of range.
Pickle_Britches
Dbacks will regret signing Burnes just like they do signing Madbum and Jordan Montgomery
Red Sox Restoration Project
You might be right about that. We will see
MC Tim C
Maybe but MadBum was already on the decline and Montgomery’s advanced stats suggested serious regression was coming.
Red Sox Restoration Project
Isn’t that saying the same thing? Regression and decline are basically the same thing, are they not?
frugalfarhan
Great article nothing critical to say about it this is fun just keep deleting all those nasty posts I made that werent rainbows and unicorns
Pickle_Britches
Giants should really be trying to get some more pop in the lineup. Alonso will be the best fit player to rid them of a 20 year curse of having a player hit more than 30 HR in a season. Willy Adames might do it but he may fall short. Alonso would be ideal for the Giants
Pickle_Britches
Giants should trade for Pablo Lopez. He’d be perfect for them and is controllable for a few years without giving up draft picks
empirejim
Awesome! Signing Alonso will go a long way towards addressing the team’s biggest need, the rotation.
Red Sox Restoration Project
Huge mistake if Mets don’t sign him in my opinion. They openly sign Soto but won’t sign the guy who has helped them them the past years?
With their frail rotation, they’ll need as much offense as they can get.
christopher8002
If only Wade could be a regular outfielder, his market/trade value would expand greatly, given his very desirable on-base percentage.
Jean Matrac
I don’t think so. The biggest knock against Wade is his less than desirable power for a corner position. It would be same if he played LF.
Stone Seal
Not to mention his lack of durability.
Jean Matrac
I think the lack of durability is overstated. Yeah, he’s had some hamstring issues, but he was also used almost exclusively as a platoon player early in his career, and still gets platooned regularly. Averaging 110 games per season for the 4 years in SF is about what you’d expect from a platoon player. Omit 2022 which was the only season where he lost significant time to injury, and he’s averaged 120 games per year for the other 3 seasons.
foppert3
I’m not so sure. That knee seems chronic and his hammy can’t handle it. I would have thought if there was a surgical option it would have been done. I can’t see him getting better. Such a shame. Power was there before the knee became an issue. I think it’s a spend the rest of his career managing pain situation.
Jean Matrac
Admittedly, I don’t really know, but if the knee was as bad as you think, it seems like he would have a procedure to strengthen it. I am counting on Flores bouncing back, and if he does, platooning with him should help keep Wade reasonably healthy. 1B doesn’t require that much movement after all. I’d be happy with 120 games.
foppert3
Yeah. I’m good as it is until the phenom arrives. I’ve just got bad vibes re Wade Jr. ever being 100%.
JackStrawb
He’s been a 2-win player the last two seasons even so, and his salary rates to be under $5m in 2025. He’d bring back a respectable prospect.
Devlsh
ARE they considering Pete Alonso….or is this just floated by the Alonso camp to give the Mets a nudge?
Lindor's Bodyguard
ARE the Mets considering Bregman… or is the Bregman rumor floated by Scott Boras to give someone a nudge? I can’t follow all the innuendos.
mab51357
Pretty sure Alonso stays with the Mets. Giants should pass on him. Not very good defensively. Wade is much better on defense. I think Wilmer and Wade will hold down 1B for this year just fine. Biggest concern is injury history of Wade.
Niekro floater
Saying Giants are in on somebody is kiss of death, he’ll now sign w/different team. Same w/Jay’s this offseason.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
Alonso’s best trait is his power. In that ballpark, he’ll be lucky to hit 30hrs. Giants should be focused on developing line drive firstbasemen like a Kevin Loney
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
James Loney*
rocky7
You’re absolutely correct except he might have difficulty hitting 25 HR’s in that ballpark…..he’d be crazy to take a contract to play in SF but his options are disappearing fast……
frugalfarhan
Jeff Kent, Rich Aurelia, Ellis Burks, Pat Burrell, Andres Gallaraga, Buster Posey, and Matt Chapman last year all did fine in that park hitting from the right side. Kevin Elster famously hit 3 in the first game ever there! Problem hasnt been the park it has been the right handed bats. A good right handed hitter can hit 30+ bombs here we just havent had one in a while
Central Valley
I love watching LaMonte Wade work a count, however, I hope the Giants sign Pete Alonso. Alonso is marketable star that would sell a ton of tickets.The Giants need a star.
It would be pretty sweet seeing a Giants uniform in the Home Run Contest.
PhilliesFan91
Giants already lost 2 draft picks for Adames. I think Alonso goes to seattle or Cubs. Seattle needs offense
JackStrawb
@Central Valley Nobody in SF cares about Alonso. He will sell perhaps four season tickets.
Salzilla
Pleeeease let this happen. I want see how the Mets and their fans spin this. To me, this should have been a priority 1 signing for their fanbase or at least 2, as I get Soto didn’t want to wait. But this would be a massive mistake for the Mets and a great upgrade for the Giants.
padrepapi
It could turn out to be a prudent move if the Mets don’t retain Alonso. A 804 OPS 1b in his 30’s that likely won’t age amazingly isn’t the kind of player that is irreplaceable. Imagine if he puts up a .770 OPS followed by a .750 OPS these next two years and is still signed for 3 or 4 more years. That is not an asset.
Not to mention keeping him on a longterm deal likely takes them out of pursuing Vlad who will be 5 or so years younger then Alonso is with a ton more upside. Lindor, Soto & Vlad would be a potent trio for the offense.
A short term deal, say 2 years with an opt out in 1 year would be a different story.
JackStrawb
@padrepapi How do you get an .804 OPS from Pete’s 2024 .788 OPS (and a dismal .459 SLG when that’s his calling card), friend?
SLG is the one thing Pete has to sell and he’s, what… about 40th in MLB for SLG? He barely pipped Iglesias in slugging in 2024.
Nor should the Mets even THINK of giving Pete an opt-out when even more decline is likely in 2025, all but guaranteeing he’ll take the opt-out.
3.8, 2.8, 2.1 fWAR, 2022-2024. Why would anyone be surprised by that 2.1 becoming 1.4, 0.7, then 0.0 in 2027? We should be surprised if that ISN’T his trajectory given the fate of R-R 1Bmen who, like Pete are already in steep decline, making any offer likely to be catastrophic.
Hard to see what the Mets plan is at the corner IF positions, though.
It’s easy to see some beknighted team offering Alonso more than the Mets are willing to pay, so it’s difficult to imagine with most FAs off the board that the Mets are actually in on Alonso and that he’s anything other than a Plan Z pillow contract if he falls into their laps at 1/20m.
And they clearly weren’t interested in a one-year stopgap at 3B and moving Vientos to 1B, since the stopgaps are off the board.
—That leaves moving Vientos to 1B which means the Mets are content with their internal options at 3B, and that means Mauricio since they’ve never played Acuna even one inning at 3B, and they’ve moved McNeil off 3B since 2021, even in emergencies.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Vientos
Soto
Next!
metvibes
I believe Alonso would make a great addition for the Giants. They should give him a 8 year 240 million contract.
Old York
Acquiring Alonso would likely result in diminished returns, both in terms of on-field performance and the opportunity cost of losing financial flexibility and prospect capital. The Giants would be better served targeting more versatile offensive threats who can thrive in Oracle Park’s challenging conditions or continuing to develop their internal options like Bryce Eldridge.
Acoss1331
Pete’s numbers the last two seasons aren’t pretty. He’s an all or nothing power hitter, and that ballpark will not help his approach. I agree with you, Giants should focus on guys that are more likely to hit doubles over having guys that just swing for the fences.
JackStrawb
Agreed, though Eldridge is at least a year away, a 19 yo in 2024 who had a great season at High A then an impressive 46 PA in the AFL. He held his own in AA at 19, then faltered at AAA but in a sample size so small it hardly matters.
A .270/.325/.460 line for a 19 yo in AA is impressive even if it’s in just 40 PA. He could easily not be a significant contributor before 2027, though.
Even so, forget Alonso. The Giants have Wade Jr for 2025 and can live with a stopgap in 2026, if they have to. That has to be better than paying whatever it happens to take to add Alonso.
Central Valley
What are the Giants plans regarding Marco Luciano? Package him in a trade? Does he still have a lot of value?
JayRyder
Burnes was just to risky. With declining numbers. The G’s voiced this and Boras pivoted to get the 200 mil he promised his Client. Albeit was caveats galore. Which again turned off the G’s.
Young controllable pitching is a Sabean Specialty. And the G’s future lies in this. Probably will take 2-3 seasons to stockpile but if Posey is a Giants throwback then this is the way.
Alonzo would be fun for 5 years banging homers too.
Jean Matrac
Luciano is only 23, 2 years younger than Ramos. 2 years ago people were ready to let Ramos go. Not that Luciano will duplicate what Ramos has, but it’s too soon to give up on him. His trade value is low so they’ll probably just see what progress he can make.
oldgfan
They should probably park him in LF at the AAA level this entire season. Progress at the plate and position. Let Yaz walk next year, move Ramos to RF and hopefully Luciano could be yet another new different starting LF for 2026. If the bat is still uncertain you could see a platoon there with McCray.
Jean Matrac
I see Matos as the replacement for Yaz. Luciano could still wind up in the MI. I’m not entirely sold on Fitzgerald.
oldgfan
Fitz might be better used as the utility guy in the long term. His speed, power, and versatility impresses me.
I’m still thinking they go after HSK for 2B though long term though which is why Luciano might better break the roster on the grass.
Victory Faust
Please, no. Unless Alonso has seen all his options dry up and wants a one year reset deal. He is on a downward trajectory and will block Giants top prospect..
Attystephenadams
Please sign him Buster! I’m a Mets fan and I’ve seen more than enough, even though I personally like the guy. His HRs are mostly mistake fastballs and he’s so screwed up at the plate that he’s lunging at and chasing breaking balls in the dirt constantly, it’s like he can’t help himself, and he’s unwilling to make adjustments. He’s not a good defender and seemed to make a lot of dumb mental mistakes in the field this year. On the positive side he’s a good teammate, he seems to be a good guy, he’s always available for the media, and he’s durable. However, those don’t make up for his quickly declining skills.
I’m not familiar enough with Oracle to know if it will hold down his HR numbers, but CitiField is not a hitters’ park, and most of his dingers clear the wall by quite a bit, so it probably won’t be an issue.
Btw, despite what the writer and others seem to think, there’s no guarantee that Vientos will be an adequate replacement at first for Pete. While he’s played there some in the minors, the vast majority of his experience is on the left side of the infield and he’s only played 14 games at first in the majors. It remains to be seen whether he can play the position adequately.
JackStrawb
@Attystephenadams That’s hardly the case. Vientos has played half a season at 1B in pro ball and appeared competent. To be an improvement and for the move to make sense he only has to be one of:
a) better at 1B than he is at 3B, which is all but a given since 1B is significantly easier and by all accounts GM’s still universally believe everyone can play 1B, or
b) better defending 1B than Alonso, which of course he will be given Pete was one of the worst defensive 1Bmen in MLB.
His bat plays well enough to be an improvement in the overall on Alonso even if his glove is -12 compared with Pete’s dismal -10 and total lack of range.
Anything’s better, really, than paying Pete multiple years at 22m-plus a year. It will be interesting to find out the most he’s been offered to this point. 4/90m?
slider32
Mets are contenders, and contenders need to add top players not average players.
claude raymond
Another trade rumors writers that is clueless about QO penalties. Signing Alonso does NOTCOST ANOTHER $1MILL!!!!! Just 2 more picks. ONLY! 2 picks and 1 mill for the adames signing and 2 more picks for alonso. NOT ANOTHER ONE Mill. Get it straight….please. This makes 3 clueless writers. Franco. Polishuk and already forget the first writer that messed this up.
Non Roster Invitee
No mention of Wilmer Flores in the article. Him and Wade would make a good tandem. Use Alonzo dollars for Sasaki.
LongTimeFan1
@Non Roster Invitee,
Sasaki can only receive a team’s 2025 international pool money because he’s below age 25 Alonso dollars cannot be used for Sasaki.
claude raymond
As usual you have ZERO clue. Sasaki can only sign a minor league deal. Giants are limited to $5+mill for Sasaki.
Irishblade
I feel like this is a stretch. A huge stretch.
LongTimeFan1
Alonso has repeatedly made clear he wants to play first base, not be a DH. Unless he’s changed his mind, the Giants would have same problem as Mets – blocking a high on base, power hitting first base prospect in their system. For the Mets, not until 2026.
claude raymond
FYI, baseball savant site shows Alonso would lose 3.8 hrs a year playing in Oracle. Those are “adjusted” numbers. “adjusted” refers to fence distance and height. And it’s “adjusted” for the environmental factors like wind and weather conditions. in other words, oracle would not be as detrimental to his power numbers as many think.
Pickle_Britches
That would still make him hit 30+ HR something that no giants player has done in 20 years. Bonds was the last 30+ HR guy. They have had several years where they couldn’t have a player hit at least 20 HR.
Redwolves3
Giants showing interest in Alonso. Why? Sounds like another Boras ploy to force Mets to increase their $$$ & contract offer
Unless Posey is truly interested in Alonso why settle for a player who has said he really wants to finish his career as a Met
Definitely feels like Boras is trying to take advantage of Posey (1st time President of Baseball Operations)
Pads Fans
That was my pick of his destination in the FA contest. Would make 7 right for me.
Samuel
Ahhhhh…..
So we’re now at the point in the offseason where just about all the big name FA’s are signed and the smart teams are about to load up on unsexy players that they can make better for reasonable salaries as they prepare for the season.
One can tell when we hit this juncture because there’s one big name FA left standing with no chairs, and the writers suggest the SF Giants are a fit for them by spending paragraphs trying to shoehorn him into a roster in which he doesn’t fit.
Redwolves3
Again, why Alonso now? Boras being Boras.
jasonthebuc
He will want opt outs in his contract and if they weren’t willing to give them to Burnes, they more than likely wouldn’t give them to him.
WadeBoggsWildRide
How does Wade Jr. have almost as much WAR as Alonso last year? Is he a Gold Glover or something I am not seeing on Baseball Reference?
oldgfan
O B P
foppert3
The man has stretches where you feel like he is just about to gain national recognition. Then the knee aches, the compensating hammy breaks under the pressure and back he goes. Loses his power. I feel really sorry for Wade. A victim of failing anatomy. I’m not surprised the trade talk has been just talk. I doubt the knee MRI looks all that good.
Jean Matrac
Not a Gold glover, but still a better defender than Alonso, that and his impressive OBP. He would have tied for 7th best in MLB had he enough PAs
THEY LIVE!!!
This signing might put the D-bags over the Madres, or just ahead of the Gnats.
Swingandamiss
This is a horrible fit. They can have the same production from Josh Bell for half the cost and less commitment.
Tomas7
I agree, a horrible fit for Pete; I think Boras is trying to get as much as he can for Pete, May be another agent would be more realistic at this point; I remember what happened to comforto,I don’t remember his agent, but held off signing and was out of work for awhile. I hope for Pete to sign soon with the Mets.
TellItGoodbye
I’m all for having fun with rumors, that’s why we’re all here, but this is a bit much. Did the writer actually read the original piece by Slusser? It was a lengthy article that had nothing whatsoever to do with Alonso until a tiny remark tossed in at the end. That’s it. Nothing else about him or upgrading 1B or Wade, Jr.