The Mariners and Red Sox have been linked together in trade rumors for the better part of a year, including reports from earlier this winter that Seattle turned down Boston’s offer of Triston Casas for either Bryan Woo or Bryce Miller. Another intriguing deal involving Casas was at least discussed between the two sides, as MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reports that the Sox weren’t willing to agree to a deal that would’ve seen Casas swapped in exchange for Luis Castillo. The Red Sox were only open to such a trade if Masataka Yoshida was included along with Casas.
Yoshida signed a five-year, $90MM deal with the Red Sox in December 2022, back when Chaim Bloom was still Boston’s chief baseball officer. The contract greatly exceeded what Yoshida was expected to land in his entry into North American baseball, and once Craig Breslow took over Boston’s front office last winter, it didn’t take long before Yoshida’s name began to surface in trade rumors. Yoshida is still owed $54MM over the final three seasons of that deal, plus he underwent shoulder surgery in October, though he is expected to be recovered in time for Opening Day.
Since Yoshida’s contract has become the central talking point of his MLB career, his salary tends to obscure the fact that he has posted decent numbers over his two seasons in the Show. Yoshida has hit .285/.343/.433 and 25 home runs over 1001 plate appearances, translating to a 112 wRC+. That production has ticked upwards against right-handed pitching, as the lefty-swinging Yoshida naturally has better splits against righties (.810 OPS in 749 PA) than lefties (252 PA). Known for being a very disciplined hitter during his time in Japan, Yoshida has been one of baseball’s toughest batters to strike out during his time with the Red Sox.
For all of Yoshida’s contact, however, he hasn’t delivered much in the way of hard contact or power numbers. He has also posted subpar walk rates, and public defensive metrics didn’t like his glovework over 713 1/3 innings as a left fielder in 2023. The Red Sox responded to the fielding struggles by limiting Yoshida almost exclusively to DH duty in 2024, a decision that reportedly didn’t please the 31-year-old.
Since the Mariners could use a left-handed bat and basically hitting help of any kind, Yoshida might have some appeal on paper to Seattle. That said, Randy Arozarena is set to play left field and Mitch Haniger is already slated to take on the bulk of DH at-bats, so Yoshida would again likely be limited to a platoon DH role in the Mariners’ lineup. It is also easy to imagine what the M’s had little to no interest in taking Yoshida’s contract off Boston’s hands, as reports have indicated that the Mariners might only be open to moving Castillo in order to clear his salary from the books.
Castillo is owed $68.25MM in guaranteed money from 2025-27, plus a $25MM vesting option for 2028 that becomes guaranteed based on health, and if Castillo tosses at least 180 innings during the 2027 season. Trading Castillo and taking back Yoshida would represent only $39.25MM of savings for the Mariners’ payroll, which the M’s probably didn’t view as worthwhile even with the bigger benefit of obtaining a controllable young slugger like Casas. Seattle president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has publicly stated that trading from the rotation is a “Plan Z” option given how much the Mariners value their elite pitching staff, and if the M’s did budge on moving a starter, taking back an unwanted contract as salary offset is surely not on Dipoto’s radar.
It seems increasingly clear that the Sox are ready to move on from Yoshida, yet naturally it will be tricky in getting another team to absorb anything more than a fraction of his $54MM remaining salary. Attaching Casas or another young player to Yoshida in a trade package would be a significant sweetener, even it could also be viewed as something of a waste of a trade asset to give up young talent as part of a salary dump. While $54MM obviously isn’t a drop in the bucket, Yoshida’s contract isn’t all that onerous for a big-market club and a traditional big spender like the Red Sox, plus their estimated $212MM luxury tax number for 2025 is well under the $241MM tax threshold.
That said, the Red Sox have also exceeded the tax line just once in the last five years, as ownership has made a clear mandate to scale back the team’s spending. This hasn’t stopped Breslow from making some significant moves, though Boston’s pitching acquisitions this winter (i.e. trading for Garrett Crochet and signing Walker Buehler and Patrick Sandoval) came with a pretty limited financial cost. The Sox have also been linked to such major free agent names as Juan Soto, Max Fried, Corbin Burnes, Teoscar Hernandez, even if those players ultimately ended up signing elsewhere.
The Mariners and Red Sox have been seen as natural trade partners, as Seattle’s pitching depth and need for hitting dovetails with Boston’s rotation needs and surplus of position players. Considering the quality of the Mariners’ arms, it is safe to guess the Sox would still be open to adding a Seattle starter if an acceptable deal could be lined up, but the two clubs have been unable to find a match after at least a year of on-and-off trade talks.
30 Parks
Sox should trade for Arenado. Move Devers off third – it’s time.
bouyons141
This scenario makes a lot of sense and probably would be done if Chaim Bloom weren’t involved. He’s always been difficult to trade with, and if he’s involved in negotiating with his former bosses he will likely be looking to “win” this trade and probably asking too much, which is my guess why it hasn’t happened already.
Devlsh
I would actually think the opposite. Bloom drafted some of the Red Sox prospects and may be more partial to them than other clubs.
RunDMC
Would Arenado waive his NTC for BOS? Are they really in much better position to win now in AL East than HOU at the risk of displacing Devers (though he needs to be moved, if even kicking-and-screaming)?
bouyons141
It was reported here two weeks ago that he’d waive NTC for Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, or Red Sox.
RunDMC
Ah, yes. Forgot about that list.
kingbum
He wants to be on the coast….East or California
ghostofmookiebetts
30 parks – moving Devers off 3b is not happening
seamaholic 2
Oh yeah it is. Whether it’s this year or not depends on whether they sign Bregman or acquire Arenado. Story and Arenado btw are very close.
ghostofmookiebetts
seam- he was speaking for this season and that’s what I was responding to. It’s just a waste of time to think that they’re going to move him this season. Of course he’s eventually going to move but not until henry has his cost controlled rookie to take his place.
redsoxu571
Moving Devers makes sense, but not for an expensive guy whose performance is dropping off hard exactly at the point in his career such a drop would be expected. Maybe there is some rebound in him, but most likely he’s just a former name brand.
Bryc3 Harp3r
Former name brand? He was still top 10 in MLB in WAR at the position even with his diminished numbers in a pitcher’s park. Give him the green monster to hit into and he’s a definite upgrade for your team.
hllywdjff
Castillo/Locklear for Casas….Raley Haniger/Garver left right combo at DH
rememberthecoop
People keep suggesting Castillo, but it’s clear that Boston doesn’t want him. They want one of their younger guys. This is an example of how hard it is to make trades sometimes.
hllywdjff
Everything is for sale for the right price. The Mariners just have to throw in the right player with Castillo…
seamaholic 2
I think the problem is on the other side: Seattle doesn’t rate Casas very high (I wouldn’t either, that dude is gonna be hurt a LOT in his career, you can just tell, and fairly soon will be a DH). They want the salary savings too as part of the compensation for Castillo, and if they have to take Yoshida that’s mostly gone.
Maybe a three way where they route Yoshida and a prospect somewhere for a decent reliever or something.
Mollysdad15
He has literally had ONE injury
rocky7
Hey, only Boston and their fans would think that Casas can headline as a single, a trade for either a controllable pitcher/pitchers …LOL….or Castillo from Seattle……what a joke…..
O'sSayCanYouSee
One injury…a fastball to his ribs. Yeah, this ‘injuered’ dialogue is off base.
Also dunno why peeps are down on Casas…he’s got a 40-50 HR year in him.
Mark Grant HOF
Kirby to Boston
Casas to Seattle
Bohm to Seattle
Abreu + 1 to Philly
Kirby won’t sign a long term deal so he might be the one to go as much as it would hurt. M’s get their corner infielders, Philly gets a outfielder.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Kirby is team controlled for what 4years.. long time before talking about moving him…
seamaholic 2
Yup and it’s the kind that just keeps coming back. And he’s already a poor fielder restricted to 1B, where they desperately need to put Devers. Other teams aren’t dumb; they know this.
seamaholic 2
There was no HBP involved. He fouled a pitch off and tore a muscle.
MiGs
2022 – High Ankle sprain missed 2 months.
2023 – Shoulder Inflammation, shut down for season
2024 – Fractured Ribs, he is still dealing with this injury.
Dude has consistently had issues every year of his short professional career
MiGs
Gilbert and Kirby are controllable and walk into any team in baseball as the ace of a staff. This trade is so woefully short on value, I doubt the words finish coming out before phones are hung up.
martevious
The report says that we just have to take the right player along with Casas. They want to unload Yoshida. Castillo for those two? The M’s should have jumped on that
MiGs
And people thought Dustin Ackley was going to be to be a perennial all-star when he came up. The reality is he has been hurt every year of his professional career, he has yet to show his potential and for damn sure doesnt makes the Ms better at the cost of any starter out of that rotation.
debubba
In that case, I’ll take Judge. Please.
Mark Grant HOF
I’d rather put Castillio in that proposed trade but teams don’t seem to be biting ……yet. They may need to do something bold at some point.
Misty Moobs
How does bohm have more value than Wilyer?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Absolutely not.. 2 defensively horrible players for Castillo who’s a legit #2 on a 4year deal at a 10Milly discount to FA’s…
mynameisjeff253
Bro…. that trade is LAUGHABLE. if you’re talking Kirby or Gilbert, you’re talking Duran + just to get started.
SodoMojo90
What are you on? Kirby’s value is much higher than that.
SodoMojo90
That’s literally wrong.
kyredsox17
“You can just tell.” SMH
danumd87 2
I sincerely believe that Casas may very well be the most overrated player on the game by his own team/fans. There’s no player I hear more aggressively and more aspirationally shopped than this guy.
danumd87 2
That’s maybe a Miller return but not Kirby
danumd87 2
Why? Castillo isn’t a negative value on his contract while Yoshida definitely is. And only the Red Sox and their fans are this high on Casas. His value is clearly much lower on the market than Red Sox fans believe. There’s no reason at all the mariners should consider such a deal.
danumd87 2
There’s absolutely no discount baked into Castillo right now. He’s in clear decline and profiles as a 3.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Miller is BETTER than Kirby and a Cy Young Candidate 2025… SMH
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
He has t declined… his 3 prior years are all the same and great he’ll be better managed this year by Wilson and a Fresh/healthy Bullpen
Kevin 23
I can’t wait to come back to this post after Casas puts up a .270ba, .380ob, 30hr 95rbi line this season.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Okay, and I’ll comeback when MILLER is top5 in Cy Young voting… he has the most upside on our staff and is Just learning to PITCH without over using his Fastball… he’s higher than Woo and Kirby…
muskie73
Steamer projects Triston Casas with 28 home runs, 86 RBI, a wRC+ of 124, 2.4 WAR and a line of .245/.352/.459/.811 in 146 games playing his home games at Fenway Park.
Just as a move away from T-Mobile Park would hurt the stats of current Seattle pitchers, a move to Seattle would suppress Casas’ production.
luckyh
I’m not down on him. Would rather trade him and hang on to Abreu.
danumd87 2
Miller is definitely not better at this juncture than Kirby. Ms fans are among the most deluded in the sport.
Claydagoat
24 years old with a career .830 OPS.
High Ceiling. High floor.
kingbum
@hllywdjff It’s about contracts more than it is about talent. Boston might eventually settle for a $70 million pitcher in a couple weeks but right now they want a controllable contract in exchange for the controllable contract of Casas. Castillo is in his 30s, they want someone in their 20s ideally.
BITA
I think the Red Sox would take Castillo they just don’t want to give up a young asset like Casas in the process and I don’t blame them.
Poolhalljunkies
Agree seems like boston said ok fine we will take your bad contract if you take ours but that is the only you are getting our kid(casas) without parting with a younger pitcher..
Dunno
What bad contract? Castillo’s contract is, if anything, on the low side considering what everyone is paying for comparable or lesser free agent pitchers this offseason.
SodoMojo90
Except there’s no bad contract that Boston would be taking on.
danumd87 2
Castillo’s contract is about right. Not bad but not as asset either. Whereas yoshidas is just obviously negative value
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Its market value this year but will be undervalued in 2027 2028 if healthy for sure…
Poolhalljunkies
Bad is relative in this case ..most teams have no issue with the contract..however..currently the mariners are short on funds and long on young controllable arms..similar to boston with young hitters ..so moving that “bad” contract frees them to spend offense as well as add something they dont posess good controllable hitters…and yea yoshidas deal is bad all around but boston can afford to sign free agents..why am i having to explain..seems obvious
Poolhalljunkies
Seattle cant afford castillo and a fee agent slugger..so they need help by someone willing to pay for them
Wire to wire 2024
A big chunk of the article is about how the red Sox wanted Castillo
Poolhalljunkies
I have read alot of others basically saying they want what all other 29 teams want ..one of the 4 younger guys..they only discussed castillo when seattle took the others off the table ..and lets be honest based on the crochet deal and financial flexibility to give bhuler 21 mil..if they really wanted castillo they would get him since seattle seems willing to move him
BITA
Contracts matter. Casas and Yoshida for Castillo makes sense. Just Casas for Castillo doesn’t.
Poolhalljunkies
The first paragraph literally states the red sox wanted miller or woo for casas and when seattle offerd castillo that is when boston insisted on them taking yoshida as boston does value casas as highly as seattle does miller or woo ..as hard as that is for non boston fans to believe..yes hes had injuries but with 4 years of control a keen eye and 40 hr potential they arent giving him away
BITA
Yes Miller or Woo for Casas makes sense too.
It sounds like Seattle was being unreasonable. They wanted out of Castillos salary and wanted young cheap talent in return and that wasn’t realistic.
muskie73
Five years of a proven starting pitcher such as Bryce Miller or Bryan Woo is worth far more than four years of a largely unproven, defensively challenged player in Triston Casas.
Check out Baseball Trade Values: baseballtradevalues.com/trades
Chester Copperpot
Contracts do matter. Casas isn’t worth Castillo straight up, then you attach a negative value contract like yoshida? Laughable. but I’m sure this is why a deal isn’t done yet.
BITA
What has Miller or Woo proven?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
At a NON-PREMIUM position on top of that… they act like he’s a 3rd baseman… ANYONE and I will repeat Anyone can play 1st base in MLB.. thats where athletes go to Die… hahahha
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
That they’re top10 in baseball in number of Quality starts… you defintely don’t know baseball…
danumd87 2
It makes no sense at all. Both assets are substantially more valuable than Casas. Casas has been the most floated name in the game this offseason by his club and Boston seems desperate to trade him for an arm. They’ve gotten no takers. Boston fans are radically overvaluing Casas is all
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
They want him but don’t want to PAY for hjm… Castillo will remain in Seattle on a deal that averages 10M LESS than what FA pitchers are getting and HALF the Length…
Poolhalljunkies
Thats awesome i hope seattle enjoys the status quo..it seems to work well for them..sox have made thier pitching moves they appear fine with how things went too.
Wire to wire 2024
How is castillos contract bad?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Sox are dead in the AL East with that rotation… and injuries they won’t even make a WC… Baltimore, Yanks, and a comeback by Bichette and Vlady they may jump Boston…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
It isn’t it’s cheap TBH
WadeBoggsWildRide
Mariners could have filled two holes with this trade. If Boston sent some cash would it happen?
Mystic Rhythms
Yeah, they could have added 2 DH’s, what a great move..
rocky7
Are you kidding….Casas “a young asset”…that they’re dying to trade valuable…..and their $$90 Million dollar mistake….LOL
Poolhalljunkies
What makes you think casas isnt a young asset? And nobody wants to trade him but when you have a 300 million dollar player at 3b that should be at 1b ..it happens
all in the suit that you wear
Rocky will not have a good answer. He is a Yankee fan here trolling.
yeasties
There’s a good point in what Rocky is saying. It’s a big big red flag when teams are trying to trade a young talented player who they normally would be making room to keep. You usually hear the rationalizations of the team being deep at that position, but then everyone realizes that the dude’s a bust a year or two after the guy is traded, and then everyone promptly forgets because the player was so forgettable. Speaking of the Yankees, Jesus Montero immediately comes to mind.
Casas sure looks like he’s in this category.
all in the suit that you wear
Yeasties: Rocky was trolling and I think you are missing what happened. If these rumors are true, the Red Sox were not trying to dump Cases because they don’t like him. They were only willing to trade Casas if they got a lot of value in return. The Red Sox reportedly proposed to trade Casas for a young Mariners starter. They were not willing to trade Casas for Castillo unless the Red Sox got the added value of the Mariners also taking on Yoshida’s contract. If the Red Sox trade Casas in the near future for a lesser return, then I think you will be proven right. In the absence of Casas being traded, I’m not viewing these rumors as a red flag and I am happy they still have Casas. If the Red Sox really think Cases is a bust, wouldn’t they have jumped at Casas for Castillo even up? I would if I thought he was a bust.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners never offered Castillo straight UP for Casas… they want CASAS PLUS+ probably youre 2nd base prospect that’s ready… Seattle laughs at Castillo for Casas straight up
all in the suit that you wear
Fine. If the Red Sox were overvaluing Casas, that still supports that the Red Sox do not view Casas as a bust as Yeasties was saying…and the Red Sox apparently laughed at the Mariners’ ask for Castillo.
all in the suit that you wear
StrandedM’sFan: Please post your source for the M’s wanting “CASAS PLUS+ probably youre 2nd base prospect that’s ready” for Castillo.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Dipoto has came out and said that teams are NO WHERE near what we asked or expected for Castillon and felt insulted… look it up
all in the suit that you wear
I searched and found no quotes from Dipoto about Castillo. I will post from the Mark Feinsand article linked in this MLBTR article.
“Boston remained in the market for another starter, with Seattle’s Luis Castillo among its targets, but according to sources, the Mariners wanted Triston Casas back in a trade, something the Red Sox were unwilling to do unless Seattle took back Masataka Yoshida, who has three years and $55.8 million remaining on his contract.”
mlb.com/news/red-sox-deepened-rotation-with-croche…
This supports that the Red Sox were not looking to dump Casas and do not view him as a bust which was my point to Yeasties.
danumd87 2
Red Sox fans are desperate to trade him. He’s the most floated name in baseball right now – but it’s all by his own org.
all in the suit that you wear
I don’t see Red Sox fans wanting to trade Casas. Moreover, it doesn’t matter what Red Sox fans want and you have no way of knowing who has been discussed the most in trades.
Claydagoat
Dude who isn’t a Red Sox fan tells Red Sox fan what Red Sox fans think,
WaitTil2026
The Red Sox have completed their rotation, so I doubt they have any interest in Castillo at this time.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
That’s a rumor and I’ll go by Exactly what cane out of the mouth of DIPOTO himself…
WaitTil2026
And when did DiPoto say that the Red Sox were asking about Castillo? Was that before or after they signed Buehler?
Not sure there was ever a fit between the two teams (likely why nothing happened), but Castillo would have been a nice acquisition for the Red Sox at the Winter Meetings. Since then they’ve signed Sandoval (out for most/all of the year) and Buehler (expected to be their #3 starter). A trade that might have worked for the Red Sox two weeks ago might not work for them now.
And again, nothing happened. Just some idle talk with both sides tossing around silly proposals. I doubt there was ever a deal that would have worked for both sides.
all in the suit that you wear
What came out of Dipoto’s mouth? Can you post the quotes please and a link to the article or video?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Yeah, how about 80% of Yoshida Contract… that may work
timmygee
Throw in some cash and we’ll throw in a Mitch or two!
HotDogWater
The thing that is clear with all these rumors is that it’s the Mariners who are aggressively tying to pry Casas from the Red Sox, and the Sox have put a high price on him.
KingKen
How exactly is that clear when the initial attempt at a trade is stated to be the Sox offering Casas for either Bryce Miller or Bryan Woo and Seattle turning them down? That sounds like an attempt from the Sox side.
seamaholic 2
No it’s quite obvious to me it’s the opposite. Among other things, 1B/DH types are a lot easier to find than mid-rotation stalwarts.
redsoxu571
This is the problem with the constant microanalysis of these rumors and reports – way too much guessing at things without much basis. Most likely, Boston and Seattle hooked up to start because the supply and demand for each lines up. Then Boston perhaps goes “hey, you’ve got a lot of controllable young MLB starting pitching, how about swapping for controllable young MLB hitting (Casas)?” We don’t even know that Boston pushed for 1-for-1, as it easily could have been a suggestion to BUILD a deal around Casas for a pitcher; then Seattle makes it clear that it doesn’t see Casas as enough of a centerpiece for a deal for one of those arms. Then it floats Castillo as a replacement, and Boston makes it clear that it views that as a totally different deal (no longer controllable youth on each side) and so that only appeals if Seattle takes Yoshida back, that doesn’t line up for Seattle, and that’s that.
Doesn’t require one side as the “pusher”, nor does it require that either side have a set target. Maybe Seattle likes Casas and asked for him but still drew a value line there, or maybe Boston was the one motivated to keep that name in the center. Maybe Boston had serious interest in Castillo, or maybe that was mostly Seattle’s suggestion and Boston had limited interest at best. Tough to say, as the “pieces” fit for any of these sets of reports.
debubba
Look at you using big words like microanalysis.
KingKen
Great post. I think a lot of this all started at the beginning of the off-season because so many looked at both teams and saw Seattle as having a lot of starting pitching and desperately needing offense and Boston as having an excess of offense considering the prospects on the way and desperately needing starting pitching and thinking there has to be a deal to be worked out there somehow. But it appears now that each team values their current players higher than the other team does for whatever reasons so a deal is unlikely.
all in the suit that you wear
redsoxu571: Good points and these rumors may not even be true. We just heard that the rumor of the Yankees offering Stroman for Arenado was not true.
MLB-1971
Allin – Agree 100%. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe was ask if the Red Sox were trying to trade Casa. His answer was a resounding NO.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You want OUR pitching, the Mariners Cheap Owners are completely content on keeping the rotation, win 54% of their games, and Owners make 80M net profit… you’re defintely not a Mariners fan!!!
whyhayzee
.Don’t touch the stove.
muskie73
This year Seattle matched Boston’s team wRC+ of 104, including a league-leading wRC+ of 118 after August 15 when the Red Sox slumped to a wRC+ of 83.
The Red Six probably need Masataka Yoshida’s bat more than the Mariners do, especially after losing Tyler O’Neill. The Mariners look to improve after losing only the likes of Jorge Polanco, Josh Rojas, Luis Urias and mid season acquisition Justin Turner.
BITA
The Red Sox have 3 hitting prospects in the top 10 overall prospect list in all of baseball. They will be fine. The Mariners need offense and don’t have the same type of help coming.
hllywdjff
Well that part I disagree with the Mariners have the #1 rated farm system and 90% of the top rated guys are hitters…
BITA
I don’t think the Mariners have the best farm system in baseball. And most of their guys are not going to be ready in 2025 which is the point. The Red Sox have Mayer and Anthony who are both top prospects and both will be ready in 2025. And Campbell might be ready too.
good vibes only
I agree the M’s farm is very good and very deep, and in a years time we may have the impact guys at the top of the overall rankings like Boston and others have. But our wave of prospect reinforcements are all a year or more away.
I havent seen any org rankings that state the M’s have the top system.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@good vibes here is one outlets farm system rankings. bleacherreport.com/articles/10136313-final-mlb-far…
hllywdjff
Bleacher report broke down all 30 farm systems and had the Mariners #1 as of a few months ago
muskie73
Baseball America podcasters recently called the Seattle farm system “elite”:
youtube.com/watch?v=rXSA4zumBt0&t=272s
The Call Up podcast offered another positive assessment of the Seattle farm system:
youtube.com/watch?v=-8DhFJJjo3A
BITA
WHO CARES HOW GOOD SEATTLES FARM SYSTEM IS????
WHO?????
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Joel, of course you wouldn’t care, being a fan of the Cardinals. And of course Mariners fans would think it’s pretty cool. So none of this should be shocking and the ALLS-CAPS a bit much.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners are stacked 4years deep even after trading a couple and alot of their 15-20 prospects are top10 in other systems…
BITA
Hey as a Mariners fan go ahead and be excited. But what does that have to do with the topic or the discussion? What i said was the Red Sox have top prospects ready to play soon thats why they are trying to trade hitters. Which is true. I don’t care how good Colt Emerson is.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
And that was BEFORE they landed the #3 Pick which I hope is the Lefty College Pitcher…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
LIGHT hitting SS and 2nd Baseman don’t COUNT…
SodoMojo90
Flat out wrong. #1 farm system is the Mariners.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
By FAR and we haven’t added the #3 Pick yet hahahaha
BITA
Even if it is, and it’s not, that’s not the point at all. The Red Sox have 3 hitters ranked higher than any of the Mariners prospects and they are all nearly big league ready.
muskie73
Over the past three seasons, three current Seattle Mariners rank among the top 20 pitchers in fWAR and two current Mariners rank among the top 20 hitters in fWAR.
The Red Sox have no current players on either Top 20 list.
The Mariners have strong core.
BITA
What is Devers 21st?
muskie73
Over the past three seasons Rafael Devers ranks 28th among all hitters in fWAR:
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
But BOSTON has trash Below those 3 and Boston Prospects always over rated almkst as bad as the Yankees…
BITA
The Mariners have a good team. But ownership won’t spend and they have 1 playoff appearance in the last 20 plus years. That’s a problem. I hope the Mariners get it together I always root for teams who have never won a championship before. But they are the ones who need to make a change.
seamaholic 2
Red Sox probably want to dump Yoshida so they can grab a better hitting OF. Santander is their guy I bet. Either that or they move their 3B to 1B after dumping Casas and grab Bregman. They have a LOT more plans to spend and want to sweep out some dead wood.
BITA
As I said 3 of the top 10 overall prospects in baseball are Red Sox. And 2 of those guys have the ability to play outfield.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Emerson may be the #1 prospect in MLB next year and he’s a SS 2nd baseman… Young may even break camp with the Club this year so we aren’t interested in you’re SS or 2nd baseman… OF look intriguing but with Julio, Robles, Rozy, and Raley(if we get 1st baseman) he’s blocked on our squad… trade for 3rd baseman and come back to us…
Bookbook
I hope the M’s don’t rush Emerson to the majors this year. He hasn’t even played AA yet. Cole Young may be in Seattle by July, as might Locklear. Ford and Emerson (and Arroyo and Montes) will contribute in 2026 and beyond.
SodoMojo90
Cole Young is not making the team out of ST. Did you look at those numbers in AA? That’s not an MLB ready hitter. It’s laughable that people think he could break camp with the team.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Because they’re older but as a WHOLE our system is Miles ahead of Boston… and No Power infielders aren’t EVER worth an no. #2 Starter without injury issue unless they’re a RENTAL
BITA
Who cares if Boston or Seattle has the better farm system overall?
Who cares???
That has nothing to do with anything homer
Castillo hasn’t pitched like a number 2 starter in years.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
.271 with .370 OBP is fine in AA .250 and .325 OBP plays at 2nd base with our OF and Raley 1st base with Cal but need production from DH
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Actually he has, as he’s averaged 18 quality starts for 3years+ in a ROW which is top15 in Baseball Sir… and until last year when Servais left him in too long his ERA is what 3.00… keep smoking that Fenway Monster and get some Nachos…
Can’t wait till we go into Fenway and take 2 of 3 from Y’all next year with that rotation you have hahahahha
BITA
Not a Red Sox fan knucklehead. The only homer here is you.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Cole Young just hit .271 with a almkst .370 OBP .245 and .325 plays at second base for the Mariners in the 8Hole… you can bank on that…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You dont understand a HEALTHY reliable #2 is much harder TO FIND than a Non-Healthy unathletic 1st baseman and a Overpaid DH
Motor City Beach Bum
Take your meds and go for a nap Joel. People only respond to you to watch you get worked up and lose your mind when they disagree with you and you can never admit you are wrong. And then you mute them when they call you on it. Grab a Snickers or maybe some Valium and chill dude.
redsoxu571
Yoshida and O’Neill have nothing to do with each other. O’Neill was a right-handed bat with pretty quality defense, while Yoshida has very limited defense and is part of Boston’s glut of LHH outfielders. I’d wager the main reason the team wants to move him is not because they think he’s totally sunk but rather because it needs more OF flexibility and he’s the logical one to move if it can be done.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Nobody Taking that contract for essentially a DH… maybe if he was a defense first CF with those numbers but not when he’s a liabilty…
BITA
Stranded Ms fan you sound like a homer. Casas and Yoshida for Castillo makes sense.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Absolutely NOT, Yoshida is a DH at best and under ZERO circumstance does he put on a Mariners uniform with that Contract length… and why woukd we trade for Another OF that woukd be our WORST DEFNEDER?
BITA
Who’s the Mariners DH right now? Yoshida is better than him right?
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
If he was making 4M a year it would be okay but he isn’t so trading a GOOD Castillo Contract for a BAD Yoshida isn’t going to happen… and he can’t DH for us because Dipoto dumb decision has us playing Garver/Haniger there…
BITA
Castillo contract is barely good
Casas has a lot of value
The Mariners would get 2 new hitters and save money which they could use to sign a back end starter.
danumd87 2
I’ve got no skin in this game but it absolutely makes no sense at all. Great for the Red Sox but awful for the mariners. Casas isn’t a sufficient talent to warrant them taking on that awful yoshida K. If he can be had for so little then they might as well trade him to the orioles for Mountcastle and a low level prospect and have a platoon solid player they need who is relatively cheap while accomplishing their goal of shedding salary. And that’s only one potential deal which would be much much better. I’m sure a dozen teams could easily provide a much better deal at minimal cost to acquire a legit plus 3 like Castillo
danumd87 2
Your argument makes sense until you present Castillo as a good contract. He’s fine but there’s no plus value in that contract at all. That’s a really bad argument tainting the otherwise good arguments you’re making
WaitTil2026
If the Mariners feel that Castillo is an ace, then he is underpaid and they should keep him. You don’t go around trying to trade players you like better than everybody else does. You trade players who others value more than you do!
It is clear from the above discussion that there is no trade to be had between the Mariners and Red Sox. Even if the Red Sox didn’t already have a full rotation, the Mariners value their pitching more than the Red Sox do. Thus the Red Sox make a stupid offer, the Mariners turn around and make another stupid offer, and the two sides remain miles apart.
No deal. Let’s see how the season plays out?
Motor City Beach Bum
Maybe Boston should send Casas and Yoshida to Joel’s team for Sonny Gray if it is such a good deal. Sounds like he is a fan of both players and St Louis needs a 1B and OF.
And then the Tigers can work a deal for Castillo centered around a package including Jung and Torkelson. Jung can hit and won a gold glove at 2B in the minors and Tork can platoon with Raley at 1B.
WaitTil2026
I suspect anybody can have Yoshida for the asking. The Red Sox might even be willing to eat part of the contract.
Casas is tougher to replace, as there is nobody else in the system who fits at first base. While fans of other teams might want to move Devers across the diamond, there’s no certainty that would work. Devers is best suited as a DH.
Not saying Casas couldn’t be traded, but the price would be much higher than it would make sense for another team to pay. They would need to either be very high on Casas or to be desperate. So sure, the Red Sox would be willing to trade Casas for Woo. Wouldn’t anybody?!? But I haven’t seen a proposed deal around Casas that has any hope of happening.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
How about Castillo for Yoshida, Casas, and Abreu ?
WaitTil2026
The Red Sox don’t have space for Castillo now that they’ve signed Buehler, and they would need to add two offensive starters if they were to trade those three. I don’t think it is possible at this point.
Zonedeads
How the hell is Haniger slotted for the DH spot. Dude is terrible and will have some outrageous injury
rickoppelt
Castillo and Haniger for casas and yoshida with Boston throwing a little cash to Seattle.
seamaholic 2
How does that help either team? Sox have zero use for Haniger. They’d just cut him.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Under ZERO circumstances do Mariners take back Yoshida in ANY deal, Haniger has 1year left…
junior25
Red Sox want to add to Yoshida in deal so they can free up money and sign Bregman
seamaholic 2
Ding ding ding. Him or Santander, or maybe both tbh.
Stevil
The mistake I see repeatedly is the belief that Seattle has pitching depth, so trading from that for a bat makes sense.
They lack pitching depth. They have 6 legitimate starters. Most teams use 10+. The Dodgers used 17 different starters last season.
This report also contradicts previous reports that suggested Seattle and was never asking for Casas, but was asking for pitching instead.
BITA
Nobody says they have tons of depth they just have 5 really good pitchers. They can trade a good pitcher but they would need to get one back in the deal or sign another. This would also allow them to acquire a lefty starter which they currently don’t have.
wayneroo
Who’s the sixth? Hancock is OK in a pinch, but he’s no better than a #5 at best.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Our first round picks are Pitchers and we have pitching depth… Evans is ready for his cup of Tea and Hancock is suffice for a #5 but Boston doesn’t have an Infielder 3rd baseman… and we have 2 SS 2nd baseman in Young and Emerson a Year out… not to mention Arroyo and Peete 2 years away… Boston doesn’t have that BIG 1st base or 3rd Base prospect to make a deal…
Stevil
Evans isn’t ready and the draft picks are even further out.
Having depth on the farm isn’t the same as having MLB-ready depth.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Of course he is, you defintely don’t know what a #5 starter in MLB is… he spent the whole year in AA basically… wait until Spring training… a #5 starter is someone who has the ability to have a 4.50ERA
Stevil
Lose the arrogance, dude. Evans had a 9.4% walk rate, struck out few, and only logged 107 inning from 22 starts and 10 relief appearances.
He’s almost certainly going to start the season in AA to work on his command.. Last season was his first full season of pro-ball.
He may be able to serve as SP depth at some point in 2025, but Seattle isn’t going to start the clock prematurely.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
They tried to convert him to a reliever to PROMOTE him LAST YEAR that’s why his innings are that low… His Fastball plays and if we trade a starter him and Hancock fight it out… the Mariners have no problem bringing up a starter early… how many years was Woo in the System? And he’s survived on ONLY a fastball… are you really a Mariners Fan?
Stevil
They tried the conversion because they were hopeful his FB would play up and because his command was a work in progress that wouldn’t have been as concerning in a relief role. That experiment lasted 10 games.
The command still needs work. When he returned to the rotation in July, he made 12 more starts, had a 11.1 BB%, with a 4.76 ERA; 4.05 FIP.
He’s a talented pitcher. He’s going to get there, but he isn’t MLB-ready right now. That’s the point.
By the way, Woo had a season and a half before his promotion, and he didn’t have the same command issues. He had a K9 north of 12.
Far different profile.
WaitTil2026
You aren’t trading a starter because you love the guys you have. That’s fine, Evans will get his chance soon enough one way or another.
Stevil
From the post…
“The Mariners and Red Sox have been seen as natural trade partners, as Seattle’s pitching depth and need for hitting dovetails with Boston’s rotation needs and surplus of position players”
This sentiment has been echoed many times.
BITA
Depth simply isn’t the word to use. The Mariners have 5 really good starters which most teams don’t want or have because come playoff time you only need 3 or 4. That’s the reason the Mariners are always brought up when it comes to trading pitching. But they would need to replace the traded away starter with another starter they don’t have depth in that sense.
Stevil
It is the wrong word, because they indeed lack depth, and that’s the entire point.
I know people think they can afford to move someone because they have an excellent 1-5 and a solid number 6, but they need more as things stand right now. Subtract one and the need only rises.
BITA
But just because they lack depth doesn’t mean they shouldn’t consider trading a starter for a hitter. They still should they just need to go get another starter in the deal or afterwards. If your number 5 starter can get you a big bat in a trade and you need a big bat, which both are true, then you probably need to do that.
Stevil
They need starter depth now. If they subtract one, they need even more than they do already.
Yes, of course they have to consider everything, but given the price of pitching, it’s not as simple as ‘just trade one and find another’. If they use Hancock, who comes with just as many health concerns as Woo, they’d really be taking a risk.
If we see Seattle move a starter, I would almost bet that a SP would be in the return.
BITA
Starter depth is important for making the playoffs and less important once you get there. And their depth hasn’t helped them much in recent years anyways.
Hey easy solution is go spend money to fill needs. But the Mariners are cheap and they aren’t doing that.
Yes Seattle could deal a starter and get one back in return like I said. And the starter they get back in return will be worse than the one they trade away I would definitely bet on that.
Stevil
You’re talking in circles now.
It’s all good, though. Have a nice night.
BITA
No i am not. Feel free to ask questions if you can’t comprehend.
Stevil
My point, from the beginning, which you responded to, was that there is a misconception about Seattle having pitching depth. You literally said “Nobody says they have tons of depth….” That’s I why I responded with the quote from this post. People do think Seattle has pitching depth.
You went on to say “They can trade a good pitcher but they would need to get one back in the deal or sign another.”.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough, but I stated that Seattle needs depth as-is. So, they’re already short. It wouldn’t just be a subtract one, add one.. They need more, and a Castillo trade wouldn’t necessarily be for a bat, which was another point. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe stated that this may be the case… “There’s been speculation about a trade that would send Castillo to Boston and send first baseman Triston Casas to Seattle, sources said Casas hadn’t been involved in the conversations. Instead, the Mariners were targeting pitching.”
You repeated the same bit about trading one, adding one, three times. The last time prompted my comment about talking in circles. Deflections, pivots, whatever. But you’re going on mute now. I don’t tolerate crap like that last sentence.
BITA
You can interpret the word depth in different ways. Come postseason time, which the Mariners aren’t too familiar with, they would have depth.
If they need more depth right now so be it. They can trade away a starter and sign or trade for 2 more. Whats your point?
timmygee
Stanton needs to open his damn wallet and spend! Damn stingy multi-millionaire…… We need to get busy and sign Sasaki (which should be easier for us than any other team) and that allows us to trade either Castillo, Woo, or Hancock….. preferably Castillo since his contract would free up some money, and he’s probably pissed at this point since we’ve been dangling him!
Motor City Beach Bum
Joel argues until he falls asleep from rage overload. He will mute you eventually if you don’t agree with him.
Motor City Beach Bum
I think his point was that you don’t listen Joel.
seamaholic 2
Casas isn’t much of a prize, yeah.
ellisburks
125 OPS+, 42 HR in 717AB, 14.2BB rate. how many Mariners have those stats? Casas would immediately be the second best hitter on that Mariners team.
muskie73
Roster Resource currently lists Luke Raley as the Seattle first baseman.
Over the past two seasons Raley has posted a 127 OPS+ and 6.0 bWAR in 861 plate appearances while Triston Casas has posted a 126 OPS+ and only 2.8 bWAR in 745 plate appearanes.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
This right here, and Raley fits our stadium and CHEAP… Only hit on Raley is Defense… if he gets better defensively at 1st base no sense in getting Casas especially with their dumb arses thinking we taking their failed Signing in the deal… along with giving away a Quality #2 Starter that’s averaged 18 quality starts 4 years in a row on team friendly deal for the next 4 years in comparison to what FA’s are getting… 6yrs/35M per…
muskie73
Is Luke Raley any worse defensively than Triston Casas?
At least Raley has more position versatility than Casas.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You can’t explain that to them, Boston fans only know their Players… and the Value of a Cost controlled Raley goes over their Heads…
SodoMojo90
Raley can run too.
Chester Copperpot
You don’t need that many pitchers and the Dodgers are PROOF. Some of those 17 starters threw only a couple games, and it was really bad baseball. They still won the World Series. Having a position player play 80 games will always be supremely important over a pitcher that throws 4-5 starts. Besides, if your 7th or 8th starter has to throw more than a couple games, did you have much of a chance anyways? If you did, it was due to the strength of your offense, and not the strength of your 7th starter.
Stevil
Chester, the Dodgers using that many pitchers to get to a World Series is proof that depth IS important.
But this isn’t a discussion about trading a depth arm for a bat. It’s about the notion of trading a key part of the rotation for a bad (and at a position where Seattle already has a decent option).
By the way, Seattle doesn’t have a clear number 7 or 8 starter right now. Diaz would be a candidate, but they still need to add arms as well as bats.
TJ5960
According to Statcast, the 3-year rolling Park Factors for LH hitters are 110 for Fenway Park (second only to Coors Field’s 111), and 91 for T-Mobile Park (lowest in MLB).
I’m sure the Mariners are aware that the production numbers for Casas and Yoshida would likely be significantly reduced if they went to Seattle.
ellisburks
Any players stats would be worse in that park, however Casas has power anywhere, 21 home hr and 21 away hr. His other numbers are better at home but same with every other player in the majors. Casas is capable of 260/360/480 in Seattle and that would make him top 2 hitter on that team.
redsoxu571
Yoshida yes, but the appeal of a Casas is a skill set that can overcome such park factors. When one has a home park that skews to one hitting side, one shouldn’t want to abandon the other but rather develop a sense which what profile of hitter from that side can still succeed in said home park. Balance is still needed for road games and to avoid getting exploited in bullpen matchups.
Stevil
It’s 92 for RHHs at T-Mobile.
They should probably target players prone to get hit by pitches.
Kidding.
PhilPlantiersPeanuts
Opened this article hoping to see traction on a Casas & Yoshida package for Woo. That’s about the only Seattle trade I’m interested in.
mynameisjeff253
People have to get it through their heads, Yoshi isn’t a valuable trade asset. he’s a negative value right now. you’re going to need to throw in Casas + someone else (most likely MLB player) to get Woo. Stop using Yoshi as a throw-in like he’s actually worth something.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Casas isn’t worth Woo, why would we take back a Horrible contract in Yoshida for a possible No#1 starter?
Can we please get a DH?
Mariners and Red Sox should do a simple Haniger for Yoshida trade. The Red Sox have a looming 26 man crunch and already have need to rotate DH more than having Yoshida allows. On the other hand, the Mariners limited payroll this year means adding a true DH is next to impossible if Haniger stays on the roster.
This trade solves both teams issues. The Red Sox would be able to DFA Haniger when needed with no post-2025 baggage. The Mariners flip a negative value player for a useful, but overpaid player on a longer deal while adding very little salary this year.
wayneroo
Seattle is trying to dump salary, not add to it.
Can we please get a DH?
It only adds $500K for next year, but replaces a player who should not see any action with a solid DH.
Stevil
Yoshida’s owed 55.8m. (18.6m AAV) over the next three years. Haniger is due 15.5m.
Seattle would be adding a lot more than 500K.
Chester Copperpot
Hard no to that financial commitment.
muskie73
According to Baseball Trade Values, Boston righthander Lucas Giolito and Seattle outfielder Mitch Haniger have identical negative trade values of $15.5 million.
Now that’s a trade that would fly in the face of the narrative that the Red Sox need pitching and the Mariners need hitting.
Giolito could provide needed depth behind Seattle’s touted five-man starting rotation and Haniger could provide Boston a needed righthand bat, perhaps as a platoon partner with Wilyer Abreu to counter the latter’s concerning splits.
But it ain’t happening.;-)
Optimistic M's Guy
This doesn’t solve an issue for the M’s. Hanigers contract sucks but theres only one year left and we are free and clear of it. Yoshi has 3 years left, sucks, doesn’t hit home runs and is a crap contract. So basically the Bosox come out smelling like roses and the M’s extend a horrible contract by an additional 3 years. How does that make sense again?
Can we please get a DH?
Yoshida is a flawed played, but a career .341 OBP is very good. Yes you take back to more expensive years, but unless you are OK punting 2025 by burning $16M on Haniger this is the one move you can do to get some value now without sacrificing a top 5 prospect.
I’d rather have Yoshida next year over paying $12M for Turner.
Stevil
If it was a single year, the conversation would be different. But you’d be getting three years of Yoshida.
Motor City Beach Bum
Seems like the Tigers would be a fit as they have lots of young depth starters who could be part of a deal along with 2B Jace Jung and Torkelson who could platoon with Raley. The Tigers need right handed hitting and could give Hanger at bats at DH/OF, especially if it’s only one year left on his deal.
Can we please get a DH?
If it was only one year of Yoshida, the Red Sox would be able to move him very easily while barely needing to eat any money. The extra length is why they might be willing to take the Haniger sunk cost.
brinxsoxcelts
Casas is without a doubt the smartest hitter
on the team and they need more hitters like
him.
Sky14
Casas just doesn’t have that much value. His prospect hype has worn off, not sure why a team would trade a legitimate starting pitcher for him straight up.
mynameisjeff253
AMEN. His numbers likely wouldn’t translate for 81 games in Seattle anyways. They want Miller? How about we start with Duran and see where that convo goes.
hllywdjff
How about Mayer and Abreu?
mynameisjeff253
Not enough. Miller arguably was better than Gilbert and Kirby. I put Miller in the same category as Gilbert and Kirby to which… the price is SKY HIGH. Abreu is a good player though. What people don’t understand, is that this trade needs to HURT both sides. It would gut the Ms to lose one of their coveted starters, ergo it needs to be a gut punch like losing Duran and possibly more to acquire a bonafide cornerstone ace.
BITA
Miller has terrible home road splits. You talk about Casas’ numbers not translating but then ignore that Miller sucks unless he’s pitching in Seattle.
Big whiffa
Miller and casas are both proven big league commodities who have struggled some in their short careers
BITA
Casas doesn’t need Boston to be a good hitter. Miller does need Seattle to be a good pitcher. Look at his splits it’s concerning. Miller’s best fit appears to he right where he is.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
His new curve is the best off speed stuff on the staff… they don’t watch Mariner Games so they don’t know… we M’s Fans Do…
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Really, 2nd half I think he was pretty good no matter where he pitched
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Miller has struggled? How many quality starts he have last year? How many starts did he MISS? Where did he finish ERA wise? Doesn’t look like a struggle to me… but what do I know, I’m just a Mariners Fan… that watched his every start…
BITA
Miller has a career ERA at home of 2.69. He’s elite in Seattles park.
On the road his career ERA is 4.52. He’s a back end starter anywhere else.
Why would this be concerning to a team acquiring him? You figure it out…
ellisburks
You are delusional. Duran for Gilbert then maybe we talk.
danumd87 2
Duran for miller is a perfectly reasonable ask by the Ms given the market. You guys aren’t going to get anything of note for Casas no matter how desperate you are to move him for a legit starter.
WaitTil2026
There’s no world in which trading Duran for Miller or Gilbert makes the Red Sox better. They’ve already completed their rotation, and it is both strong and deep – easily a top ten rotation at this point. The Red Sox lineup lacks star talent, a problem that would only be worse if they were to trade their best offensive player.
I’m not saying it is a ridiculous ask for the Mariners or anything like that – there’s simply no fit with the Red Sox at this time.
ellisburks
he’s past prospect hype. 125OPS+, 14%walk rate, 42hr in 840 PA, 830OPS. One of the smartest hitters in the league. He is amazing and I hope The Sox keep him. Any team would be lucky to have him.
redsoxu571
Right, his “prospect hype” has worn off, to be replaced by actual MLB success. People are right to point out that limitations in his profile means his proven floor (with plenty of remaining upside) bat isn’t a slam dunk desire for everyone, but it’s asinine to pretend that he “doesn’t have much value”. The proper way to view it is that teams understand how much trade value is expected for a piece like him and there is a limited (but very much existing) market of teams for whom he could fit *at that price*.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
You considered THAT an intriguing deal?
Big whiffa
Moves my needle ! Seattle is stubborn or broke
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
The Sox have been desperately trying to dump Yoshida since last year. Sounds more like Seattle isn’t the broke team
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners are fine running it back with the roster we have per ownership and the Meat smoking local Media…. the PRESSURE is ZERO from Local Media on Seattle Ownership and theyre just happy to be on their Knees in the same room with them… unfortunately
Big whiffa
Controlled media. Mlb won’t have it any other way
tbonenats
I wonder if the Nats could build an offer around Gore for Casas? They could take back Yoshida. Granted Gore is not on the level of Miller or Woo.
Armaments216
The Nats need to add pitching, not subtract it. How about Luis Castillo for Luis Garcia?
This one belongs to the Reds
Reds should be in on Castillo. Should but you know they won’t.
Enrico Pallazzo
You know your team is in trouble when Mitch Haniger is your DH
rmullig2
He’s not the DH, he’s the right fielder. Garver is the DH. Shoddy reporting.
Mystic Rhythms
Robles, Arozarena, and Julio are the Mariner’s OF.
Haniger gets nowhere near the field if things don’t fall apart.
ellisburks
Shoddy offence.
wayneroo
Robles is the right fielder, not Haniger. Do some homework before you start typing.
Chester Copperpot
Robles is the RF. Haniger will DH a lot.
SodoMojo90
He’s not the right fielder. Where’d you hear this? Shoddy attempt to sound smart.
Chester Copperpot
Okay. Robles just got an extension last year and Haniger is desperately being shopped. Not to mention Haniger had a horrible year and is older than Robles who had a great year. Haniger wasn’t even the starter last season after May. Why would you think he’s the starter now? Just weird.
SodoMojo90
Because he is speaking out his back end without doing a quick Google search. The amount of misinformation that is thrown around here that could be fixed with a simple Google search astonishes me.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
They don’t know anything about the Mariners, don’t sweat jt… and Haniger isn’t being shopped because there’s no market for him… he’s dead weight just waiting for the sands of the Hourglass to finish falling once the seasons completed…
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Still say
Red Sox get Cease and Arraez Padres
Padres get Casas, Yoshida, Perales, Romero, and Dobbins (7,12,16)
Makes sense
Red Sox pitch up a TOR arm in Cease
Can put 2B in Arraez
Allows them to put Devers over to 1B
Go out and do something at 3B
Padres pick up Casas to play 1B
pick up Yoshida to replace Profar in OF or Arraez at DH
put cronenworth at 2B
put Bogaerts at ss.
Plus pick up some prospects for taking the remainder of Yoshidas contract (18.6 in 25 and 18.6 in 26) and losing out on the QO Cease would probably command.
nolesfan75
Your problem here is it makes too much sense haha. Would love to see this deal.
Bruin1012
The problem that everyone doesn’t seem to understand is Devers doesn’t want to play first and what makes you think he would be any good at first where he will have to handle a bunch more balls in the dirt. Devers should be the DH as a Red Sox fan I don’t want any part of him at first base.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Ok. So put him at DH instead of Yoshida and go get Arenado to play 3B for his defense and go pick up someone like Bell or Rizzo on the cheap or pay Alonso. Or give Blaze Jordan a look.
You could also stick Arraez at 1B if Mayer Campbell show they’re ready in spring training then put one of them at 2B.
Either way you have options.
Bruin1012
Honestly I don’t think the Red Sox want to trade Casas and add another lefty hitter especially one with no power and poor defense. Breslow has already don’t the heavy lifting on the rotation and I can’t see them trading 4 years of control of Casas for one year of Cease. I just don’t see it.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
You’re commenting on an article about SEA/BOS using Casas in a deal to acquire Woo or Miller or try to use Casas Yoshida to get Castillo and his 100 mill contract the next 4 years
And yet you’re saying Boston doesn’t want to trade Casas
And somehow 1 year of Cease (extension or QO) and Arraez who posted 4.9 war last time he played 2B full time for the marlins isn’t enough for Casas and the padres to take Yoshidas contract. Riiiiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhht.
“ Seattle turned down Boston’s offer of Triston Casas for either Bryan Woo or Bryce Miller. Another intriguing deal involving Casas was at least discussed between the two sides, as MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reports that the Sox weren’t willing to agree to a deal that would’ve seen Casas swapped in exchange for Luis Castillo. The Red Sox were only open to such a trade if Masataka Yoshida was included along with Casas.”
nolesfan75
Sox need Ortiz to have a chat and explain why it is in Dever’s best interest, and the teams, for him to be a permanent DH.
RotiniRick
You can’t blame Boston for turning down Castillo and his 22 million straight up for Casas. I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask but I’d be surprised if that ask was done with a straight face.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Mariners ask woukd be MORE than Casas you can bet on that… they probably wanted the 2nd baseman too…
stymeedone
Since Harris has no plan for Torkelson, send him to Seattle with Matt Manning for Castillo, and Detroit takes the full contract. Don’t want to give up either player, but Harris doesn’t seem to care for Avila’s acquisitions.
Motor City Beach Bum
I agree the Tigers should look at acquiring Cadtillo. Why not give Tork and Manning up for a #2-3 Starter that the Tigers need. Neither one has shown enough to be guaranteed a spot so far. That has nothing to do with them being “Avila’s acquisitions” as you keep saying, it has to do with them not playing up to their potential which is not Harris’ fault. Besides which, I highly doubt those two underachievers will get the Tigers Castillo.
Randall Charles
Arozerena, Locklear(maybe add Garver/+ 7mil cash) for Casas and a RP
Opens Sox up for Alonso
Mariners sign lefty Santander for 4/84million
RF R Robles
CF R Julio
C S Cal
DH S Santander
1B L Casas
LF L Raley
3B R Dylan Moore
2B L Adam Frazier
SS L Jp Crawford
hllywdjff
Omg what a horrible 2b/3b combo!
ellisburks
Sox will say no immediately. That deal doesn’t help them at all.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Adam Frazier will NEVER put on a Mariners Uniform ever again… you aren’t a Mariner fan evidently
SodoMojo90
Santander isn’t a lefty. He’s a switch hitter. And Cal will never hit third. You can’t hit third with that strike out rate. And Adam Frazier? Hahahahahahaha. That’s a good one man. Mariner’s also gave up an infielder that’s probably gonna turn into a stud for Randy.
Yaz'sOldBattingGloves
If the Sox trade Casas, it will be the Jeff Bagwell trade all over again. You wait Casas will hit 40 homers and close to .300 this year.
ellisburks
Agreed. He is a damn stud.
MiGs
The whole problem around this discussion is the “just you wait” has been getting said simce his first sniff in 2022. And he has been hurt every year since. There are too many question marks, and while he does still have potential it for damn sure isnt enough to warrant trading a proven starter with multiple years of control. Even Castillo straight up isnt right as he is still better than every arm not named Crochett in that Boston rotation and has yeeeears of success. These talks are a joke unless they start with Durran
BITA
Castillo makes huge money. Casas makes league minimum. That’s the part you don’t seem to understand.
MiGs
I definitely understand how arbitration, team control and “league minimum” work lol. The problem has never been Castillo money, nor were the Ms moving him as a salary dump.
Castillo actually makes less than the market value of better pitchers. His remaining 3 years give the Ms a significant discount then comparable pitchers on the market. Eovaldi and Severino made more with worse performances.
There was no desperation for a move and despite talks happening neither team was serious about any of this.
In fact its very likely Sox leaked offers to put pressure on the Ms organization through the fan base.
Ita okay for you to like Casas but it is also okay to underatand other people can view both sides more objectively andnunderatand both sides dont line up well at all.
BITA
The Severino and Eovaldi contracts suck those were overpays.
The 2 teams line up well for a trade. That’s why the 2 teams were discussing a trade.
MiGs
Neither team is willing to part with what the other team wants purely on principle lol
Pretty sure that is the definition of not being a fit
Just because you have something someone else wants doesnt mean you’re willing to part with it.
Or that the other guy is entitlted to it for pennies on the dollar
BITA
That’s the definition of both teams wanting to “win the deal”. And that’s their right. At least the Red Sox have had some success in recent years. The Mariners have 1 playoff appearance in their last 20 plus seasons. What the Mariners are doing isnt working.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Castillo is cheap compared to 200+M you’re going to spend on a FA and it’s only a 3year deal if he’s hurt 2027… he’s underpaid for 2027 and 2028 if he’s healthy…
BITA
The Diamondbacks just signed Burnes for 200 million
We agree he’s better than Castillo right?
sillywabbit
The Severino & Eovaldi contracts are market rate. Stop being a homer.
RickEO
Casas will be an allstar
Zippy the Pinhead
This rumor is such a nothingburger. Casas isn’t worth a starter, even if the M’s somehow landed Sasaki. The M’s starting 5 is good, but there’s nobody behind it.
rocky7
Absolutely…Casas as a headliner is a big joke…….
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Evans is ready to start in the 5slot.. absolutely even over Hancock which is serviceable #5 any team in baseball would take… onlybreason he didn’t on our team ks because of our rotation depth and they stayed healthy…
Big whiffa
What is funny is how high Seattle fans value pitching. Y’all have a sub 2 team era yet can’t win 90 games lol
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Thats temporary and won’t be the case with a Healthy Robles leading off and a FULL year of Rozy in the 5Hole… unless we get a nice 3rd baseman
Big whiffa
So Robles, who’s coming off a short stent of career numbers in an otherwise long mlb career is your answer ? Seattle still needs to add 2 more bats to compete. I like Robles and think Randy will bounce back but yall are still 2 bats short
Zippy the Pinhead
You’re right, but this FO and ownership insists on keeping its lies straight. “We’ll spend money when it’s time” turned into high profits for them (#1 in MLB) and no championships for the fans or players. The easy answer is to overpay for Alonso, but they just won’t. So the M’s will end up with an infield of Shenton, Crawford, Bliss and Raley; Raleigh at catcher; an outfield of Arozarena, Rodriguez, and Robles; and Haniger at DH. The 4-man bench would be Garver, Moore, Canzone or Marlowe, and Rivas or Taylor.
Not a championship squad. Another year of wasted pitching, even if they again avoid the IL the way they did in 2024. Maybe a wild card team if things line up perfectly and the batters have career years.
Sad, really. Seattle deserves better.
Big whiffa
I like Alonso there. His contact is really good even after his power has dipped. That should play well enough in Seattle to pay the man what he wants
DBH1969
Trading away a large chunck of youth just to dump Yoshi (who isn’t a bad player) is reminiscent of the Price dump costing us Betts.
How did that work out?
This is just stupid baseball planning.
Bookbook
No one will ever confuse Yoshida or Casas for Betts.
BPG86
Mariners could have had a legit #2 hitter and a dude who projects to be a thumper at 1B/DH AND saved money, but chose to do not that because they…
*checks notes*
Wouldn’t save enough money.
Poverty franchise from poverty ownership. Sell the team.
MiGs
They didn’t do it because the headline on the Sox side is an unproven, “just you wait” limited 1B/DH who while showing flashes has no sustainded or consistent success. There is no universe where that matches the value of a rotation arm with sustained proven success.
Even though Castillo was the 5th best starter in that rotation, he is still more productive than everyone not named Crochet in that Boston rotation and is on a deal cheaper than the going rate for lesser pitchers (Eovaldi, Severino)
Ms may have been open to gaining flexibility but were at no point looking at trading castillo as a salary dump lol
Especially for a prayer of an injury free season, and sudden emergence that still hasnt happened in a good hitters park.
Big whiffa
Amen ! Took me forever to find the likes of this comment. Seattle fans should be in an uproar ! 2 bats with 3+ years of control and the knock of yoshi is he can’t hit it out of the park ? Well, who can in Seattle ?? This was a no brainer for the M’s imo and as good as return as they’ll get for any of their pitching. They blew it !!!
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
A #2 hole hitter doesn’t strike out like Casas and can RUN… what lineup are you putting together… a double play machine that’s what with a Negative War Defensively player on top of it… no thanks
BPG86
Yoshida being the #2 hitter.
GeorgeK
Upgrade absolutely needed for the entire infield, so sox need either Arenado or Bregman at 3rd, Story at SS and not discussed is why get rid of Casas? They also need his offense too so I suggest make Devers the permanent DH (aka HOF- Big Papi) and send Yoshida to the PawSox until they can work out a deal of some type or keep as insurance. Lets remember that Nomar was traded mid-season in 2004 because his defense was a liability, why make Devers a liability at 1st base?
wwfinn
Yes, Devers should DH. Reduce the strain on his knee/shoulder and let him concentrate on hitting – because he’s not being paid for his defense. The Sox have been defensively deficient for a number of years now. They’ve admitted as much but the infield holes continue at 3rd, SS and 2nd. If Story can remain healthy that will help of course, but I’m not holding my breath.
Bruin1012
The ship has sailed on this trade scenario Boston has their rotation set now for better or worse. They also have a lot of AAA depth in pitching and a lot more coming Breslow is putting a lot of energy and effort into the pitching development.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
AAA pitching when you don’t have a respectable starting 3 in NASTY work… hahahaha
C Us Sink
Typical Mariners. All talk and no action. Still need a 1B, 2B, 3B. Jerry should’ve been fired in August with Servais.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Dmo, Young, and Bliss audition for 2nd base… one of them will stick. Need a 3rd baseman because you’re playing Raley at 1st base with Rozy, Julio, and Robles in the OF… Locklear will get a chance as RHH 1st base because you can’t block him forever… need a 3rd baseman and you can always try to get a 2nd baseman and RHH 1st baseman at the trade deadline if you’re still in it…
hllywdjff
Any of those as a 2b answer is an absolute joke!
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Young hit .271 with a 370 OBP which is fine at 2nd base for the 8Hole… you don’t need HRs you need baserunning and SB and Plus Defense… thank god you’re not our GM
Big whiffa
How can it be on Jerry? He’d spend with the green light 100% ! I wish he ran the reds lol
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
Raley is your first baseman unless one of Robels, Rozy, and Julio go down…
swanhenge
If the worst case scenario is that Boston is left w Casas at 1B, I’m 100% fine w that. He’s gonna put up big numbers and will only improve with glove/footwork.
I personally think the Sox roster as is can compete. Would definitely like to see more dependability at the back of the bullpen. The need for a RH power bat is evident, but I don’t see anything worth moving on. Bregman would be a nice add, but he would present an abstract roster make up by shifting guys out of their normal positions (looking at you Raffy. If you could only field…!). Casas would get squeezed if they added Bregman, which is not great.
Best scenario is Yosh gets moved (!), Raffy swallows some pride and goes full time DH, add Bregman and a closer. That’s a nice team there.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
With a starting 2 rotation in the AL East… thats a long season of 9-5 losses…
KamKid
How underwater does Seattle feel the Castillo contract is? Is it simply that they’d like to repurpose the money? I don’t get all these trade proposals where the Mariners are subtracting from their rotation. The top five is great, but are there enough guys beyond them that could reliably cover in case of injury? Why not just trade some of the many good prospects to address the offence? That rotation is ready to help them win now.
MiGs
This is really part of the problem. This is also why Polanco took so long last year too. Teams are trying to pressure the Mariners into trading from the rotation and not willing to talk unless they do.
Dipoto/Hollander have made it clear trading from the rotation is “plan Z” and from their own admission are very willing to trade from the farm to make additions.
It takes two to make a move and they cant make other teams listen on prospects, even when they seem to be willing to from other teams(Naylor, Bellinger..)
Castillo came up, not as a salary dump, but as the most likely of the arms they might listen on. Dipoto has made it clear in the past he will always at least listen.
The likely source of these rumours are other teams. They know the fan base is fuming and chomping at the bit for news and moves. The angrier the fans get the more pressure on the front office. Thank god they haven’t succumbed to it and repeated the mistakes of Bavassi and Big Z
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
This right here, we aren’t panicing to move Pitching and all we really need is a serviceable 3rd baseman and we can see what we have UNTIL the trade deadline at the All Star break…
MiGs
I would rather see Bliss/Young and Dmo playing 2B/3B than a trade that moves a rotation arm that will ultimately be one step forward two steps back.
There is also plenty of time to work out better deals.
Not to mention some smaller additions like Turner or Canha that can push Raley at 1B.
It sucks that a move hasnt materialized but teams are obviously not willing to match up on moves without talking rotation right now.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
I’m completely agreeing with this take especially since we got lucky woth no injuries to our starting 5 last year… dealing one leaves you with a 3man rotation of we lose one for the season. .
KamKid
That’s interesting. I thought maybe they were guilty of prospect hugging as well as maybe being completely tapped out budget wise. Hence the Castillo trade talk. I kind of want to see a Blue Jays trade with the Mariners but the Jays are still being stubborn and believe they can win this year.
MiGs
The Mariners showed a willingness to talk Harry Ford and others last deadline. I doubt that changes now. Too many teams feel they are just on the cusp to move major leaguers for prospects right now.
Not to mention even obvious selling teams like the Cardinals are still holding out for Woo or Miller.
It’s another waiting game to see if teams rethink their trade strategy with the Ms.
Big whiffa
Castillo contact is a bargain
larkraxm
Is Triston Casas Boston’s Clint Frazier?? They don’t want him, but they think that they can trade him for Bryce Miller? Miller was the best starter for the Mariners down the stretch in a rotation that led the league in ERA. We want your young controllable ace for Triston Casas, and we will throw in Miguel Andujar for good measure!
Bruin1012
Yup he is except for the second half of the 2023 season when he was simply one of the best hitters in baseball.
larkraxm
I think Clint Frazier had a strong two weeks once too, and Andujar set the MLB record for doubles by a rookie.
Lrtexasman
I imagine a trade could be had with the Astros. Astros really need a LH outfield bat and could absorb the salary. We do have a couple RH outfield bats (Myers,McCormick), a former closer (Pressley) and plethora of MLB ready RH hitting prospects outfield (Leon) 3B Dezenzo/Witcomb, so lots of pieces to make a deal work for both clubs in a compete now scenario.
GoGreen
I think The Rangers could pull off a Castillo trade as well. However, I don’t think he will be traded within the division. Castillo won’t be coming to Texas imo.
stymeedone
Who’s the LH OF in your scenario? Since you did specify OF, that excludes Yoshida, who is a DH.
Lrtexasman
Yoshida who is frustrated that he’s not getting to play OF.
PrincessYuki
The Mariners are hanging on to their young core. Considering what they’ve done so far the Mariners could create a dynasty with them.
stymeedone
What have they done so far? They didn’t make the playoffs.
kylegocougs
Can’t say that in such a tough division
BuddyBoy
Haniger is not slated for anything. If they didn’t have all they money owed to him,he would already be gone
kylegocougs
Nonsense, he’s still cheaper than Robbie Ray which was the only goal
good vibes only
I agree, he’s not going to be the everyday DH. Honestly think they are trying to salary dump him right now and they may just cut him if they can’t.
Stevil
Haniger might stick around through spring if they can’t move him this offseason, but it’s hard to see him making the opening day roster.
WaitTil2026
I can’t imagine anybody wanting Haniger at this point.
MiGs
The only way he makes the opening day roster would be an injury to one of the OF. I see him making it to the end of spring and getting cut.
dano62
Yoshida, Casa and a B prospect for Castillo, Haniger & a B- prospect
baseballguru
NO TRADES Involving the Big 3 and Especially Casas, anybody else in the minors or Yoshida, Sogard, Hamilton, Gonzales, Refsnyder is plenty for Castillo or one of their other arms. Go get Scott to close and Bregman for 5/6 yrs 175/ 185mill
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
You’ve lost your mind… Yoshida horrible ass isn’t worth Castillo… and Yoshida contract yall can Die Holding… and then complain about not getting Bregman because of Yoshida contract… enjoy the bottom of your division with that rotation Y’all have… Castillo would be worth way more then even him on a 1year rental and Castillo Cheap for 4years… as a FA nextbyear he’d get a 30M+ for 5/6year deal with no injury issues… you Boston fans are absolutely Lunatics hahahaha
kylegocougs
Hey didn’t the Red Sox just sign Soto and Burnes?
Bevan
I think the Red Sox pivot their efforts to Sandy Alcantara. They also need another bullpen arm so Duran from the Twins should be another target.
Bevan
Thinking the Kutter Crawford for Vazquez and Doran trade makes sense. Also would trade Mayer and a B prospect for Sandy. Could be Casas for Sandy but I am in the prefer to not trade Casas camp.
Rsox
Casas and Yoshida for Castillo and Haniger could actually have worked if the M’s were willing to send cash or a minor leaguer back as well. The Sox could have either eaten Haniger’s contract or let him come to spring training and went from there
sillywabbit
The Sox would have had to to add cash covering the last two years of Yoshida’s contract to even CONSIDER that trade.
Old York
The Mariners and Red Sox’s obsession with overvaluing minor trade pieces and bloated contracts is utterly baffling. Yoshida, despite his decent contact skills, has shown nothing but limited power and below-average defense, yet his overpriced contract has somehow become the centerpiece of trade talks, as if teams are falling over themselves to absorb his financial burden. The Mariners’ refusal to part with Castillo, despite the fact that his own contract is just as loaded, underscores the absurdity of a market that continues to prioritize saving a few million dollars over making the right moves to strengthen a roster. This is a textbook case of teams spinning their wheels, trading mediocre assets while pretending to be in a better position than they really are.
WaitTil2026
Has anybody even LOOKED at the Red Sox rotation recently?
First, there isn’t space to slot another starter at this point unless they trade somebody. Crochet, Houck, Buehler, Bello, and Crawford (who is fine as a #5 even if he is stretched as a #2). Giolito at some point. Possible return from Sandoval late in the season. Decent minor league depth in Fitts and Priester, as well as last year’s sixth starter Criswell. That’s ten deep, even if only half of them are really quality. The Red Sox are NOT going to run out of starters in 2025.
Second, while the projected ERA is middle of the road, that’s primarily an artifact of living in a strong hitters park. When you adjust for that, their ERA- matched the Mariners’ last year, tied for third, despite a 43 point gap in their ERA. That’s simply the difference between a great hitters park and a great pitchers park. It doesn’t mean the entire Red Sox rotation is crappy and it doesn’t mean that all the Mariners pitchers are in contention for the Cy Young.
The Red Sox needed to replace Pivetta in the rotation and to add a true ace. They did that already, with Crochet and Buehler, as well as advancing two SP prospects to the point that they can help with depth.
But offensively the Red Sox are mediocre, likely a bottom ten team offensively. Sure, the run totals look better than that, supported by Fenway, but that’s just the flip side of the beating the pitchers take. The Mariners have a better offense than the Red Sox, DESPITE Haniger being a complete waste of space.
It makes sense for the Red Sox to emphasize pitching, because you need strong pitching to survive in a hitters park, but it doesn’t mean they have excess offensive talent. Duran, Devers, and Casas are pretty much it for now. Possible that Campbell or Anthony steps up this year, but you can’t expect too much from rookies. Yoshida is underwhelming, Wong is awful, Abreu contributes as much defensively as offensively, and Rafaela still needs to learn the strike zone. Story is toast.
Thus this deal, however rumored, is not happening. It could have made some sense before the Crochet and Buehler acquisitions, but it makes zero sense at this time. Put it to bed.
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
All you guys quoting Eovaldi and Serevino are crazy… Eovaldi has a Career 4.07ERA and Serevino is 1 year removed from 6.00+ ERA… CASTILLO is a completely different pitcher than those 2 and you dont know Baseball comparing those 2 to CASTILLO…
WaitTil2026
Speaking as an outsider who is NOT interested in trying to acquire Castillo, I think you are ignoring his decline over the last two years. His fastball is off a tick and a half, his K rate is down, and his HR rate is up. While Castillo was once a GB pitcher, he has changed into a FB pitcher, just 40% GB and a lot fewer strikeouts than in past years.
That plays really well in the Mariners’ home park, but a lot less well in an offense-friendly park. I believe Castillo is most valuable to the Mariners and thus should not be traded.
Pretty sure the Rangers are perfectly happy with Eovaldi and are not pining for Castillo. So everybody is happy?
WaitTil2026
And park effects… The Red Sox played the Mariners seven times last year, four games in Seattle and three games in Boston. The series split 4-3, as you might expect for two evenly matched teams. Some good games…
In the four Seattle games, the two teams scored a grand total of 24 runs combined. In the three Fenway games, they scored 42 runs. It is a vastly different offensive environment, and styles that work in Seattle are simply not effective in Fenway.
Believe it or not, the Mariners have the stronger top-to-bottom offense. If they played in a more favorable home park, you would see much bigger offensive numbers – though of course it would also be harder on the pitchers.
You have no understanding what it takes for a pitching staff to succeed in Fenway where every inning is a grind. You need a ton of depth to make it through 162 games.