The Cubs and Astros announced that they have made a trade that will send outfielder Kyle Tucker to Chicago, with infielder Isaac Paredes, right-hander Hayden Wesneski and prospect Cam Smith heading to Houston.
It’s a move that would have been completely shocking as recently as a few weeks ago. Tucker has been a key part of the Astros dynasty and one of the best players in baseball in recent seasons. But over the past few weeks, reports emerged that the Astros were willing to listen to offers on Tucker as they looked to balance their desire to compete with some financial concerns. It appears that talks ramped up quickly and Houston found an offer they considered too good to pass up.
Tucker, 28 in January, was one of many high profile draft picks that went on to be part of the championship nucleus in Houston. The club aggressively tanked last decade, using high draft picks to select players like George Springer, Carlos Correa, Lance McCullers Jr. and others. After failing to sign Brady Aiken, their top pick in 2014, they received a compensation pick in the 2015 draft. That gave them two of the top five picks in 2015, using the second overall pick to draft Alex Bregman and the fifth overall selection on Tucker.
Both picks were big successes, as Bregman and Tucker each established themselves as All-Star capable big leaguers. This deal now officially ends Tucker’s tenure in Houston and might poetically point to the end of Bregman’s as well. Houston decision makers have long pointed to re-signing Bregman, who is currently a free agent, as a top offseason priority. However, the two sides have reportedly remained far apart in negotiations and the pivot to Paredes might signal that Bregman won’t be coming back to Houston after all.
Tucker, 28 in January, hit 89 home runs over the 2021 to 2023 seasons. He hit exactly 30 in the first two of those campaigns and then 29 in the third. He also stole 69 bases in that time, had above average walk and strikeout rates and strong defense. His combined line in that time was .278/.353/.517, which led to a 138 wRC+, indicating he was 38% better than league average. In 2024, he missed about three months due to a shin fracture but his limited performance was even stronger. He hit 23 home runs in just 78 games and his .289/.408/.585 line led to a 180 wRC+.
Putting all of those traits together, Tucker was worth about five wins above replacement in each of the 2021-2023 seasons, per FanGraphs. In 2024, he racked up 4.2 fWAR even though he missed roughly half the year. His 19.1 fWAR over the 2021-2024 stretch puts him 13th among MLB position players, though he played fewer games than everyone ahead of him, thanks to that injury absence.
Unlike some other clubs, the Astros have shown a willingness to let their star players go get paid elsewhere. They did that with Correa, Springer and Gerrit Cole, who went on to sign with the Twins, Blue Jays and Yankees, respectively. That has aligned with a general reluctance to give out massive deals or pay the competitive balance tax. As shown in MLBTR’s Contract Tracker, Jose Altuve’s 2018 extension worth $157.5MM over six years is the biggest deal in franchise history, both in terms of years and dollars. The Astros went over the CBT line in 2020 but didn’t pay any taxes as the system was put on hold in the shortened season. 2024 was the first time they went over the line and actually had to pay the tax.
Coming into this winter, general manager Dana Brown suggested the club needed needed to “get a little bit creative” with the budget. Owner Jim Crane later pushed back on that stance a bit, but it appears the financial constraints are real. Reporting has indicated that the Astros made an offer to Bregman of $156MM but that he is looking for something closer to $200MM.
Tucker’s earning power next winter is likely to be even higher than Bregman’s is now. Bregman is going into his age-31 season now whereas Tucker will be going into his age-29 campaign next winter.
It’s possible the Astros decided they weren’t likely to get a long-term deal done with either player and explored trade talks with Tucker, with this offer ticking a lot of boxes for them. It clears Tucker’s salary, which MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects for $15.8MM, off the 2025 books. Redirecting those savings to Bregman is still possible but they’ve also found themselves a potential replacement in Paredes.
Over the past three years, Paredes has hit 70 home runs and slashed .234/.338/.437 for a 123 wRC+. He’s also bounced around the infield, though has been at third base more than anywhere else. His defense at the hot corner has been close to average but it’s still made him roughly a 3-4 fWAR player recently. He is projected to make $6.9MM via arbitration next year and can be controlled for two more seasons beyond that.
Going to Houston might be an especially good fit for him, given that most of his home run power comes via pulling the ball towards the field foul pole. As pointed out by Sarah Langs of MLB.com, his home run total of 19 in 2024 would have been 26 if he played all his games in Houston and could take advantage of the Crawford Boxes.
It’s still possible that Houston could re-sign Bregman and move Paredes over to first base, since the club is also looking for help there, but time will tell how viable that is. Houston could find cheaper solutions at first base and leave Paredes at third for the next few seasons.
The acquisition of Smith also provides the Astros with a potential third baseman for the future. He was just drafted by the Cubs with the 14th overall pick a few months ago and slashed .313/.396/.609 in his professional debut, getting into 32 games across three different levels, finishing at Double-A. If the Astros stick with Paredes at third, Smith could push him for the job in the coming years, with Paredes eventually getting moved across the diamond.
The Astros also add a bit of pitching depth in the deal via Wesneski. The 27-year-old has decent underlying rates thus far in his career but problems with the long ball have pushed lots of runs across the plate. In 190 innings thus far in his career, he has a 23% strikeout rate, 7.6% walk rate and 43% ground ball rate. But 35 home runs, a rate of 16.7% per fly ball, have led to a 3.93 ERA. If the Astros can help him keep the ball in the park, he can be a part of their pitching staff for years to come. He has less than two years of service time and can therefore be retained for another five seasons.
The club has plenty of question marks with its pitching right now. Each of McCullers, Luis Garcia, Cristian Javier and J.P. France missed all or part of 2024 due to notable arm surgeries, so each of those guys is a question mark heading into 2025. Framber Valdez is also a trade candidate in the same vein as Tucker, since he’s set to make an eight-figure salary and is one year away from free agency. Hunter Brown had an uneven season this year. Ronel Blanco was huge for Houston but is fairly limited in terms of starting experience. Spencer Arrighetti was decent in his rookie year but it’s hard to bank on him at this point.
In the bullpen, Ryan Pressly is another trade candidate. He’s set to make $14MM next year, the final season of his deal. Wesneski has worked both as a starter and as a reliever in his career, so he can help Houston in either department.
For the Cubs, it’s a lot to give up, and that’s especially true when looking back to their acquisition of Paredes. They just sent Christopher Morel, Hunter Bigge and Ty Johnson to the Rays a few months ago, getting Paredes ahead of the summer deadline. In a sense, they have given up those three players plus Smith and Wesneski in order to get just one season of Tucker.
But there are good reasons why they have paid such a price. The club has been hovering around .500 in recent years, having a squad full of good players but lacking in truly elite ones. They also possess a very strong pipeline of prospects, several of whom are pushing for major league playing time. They have shown a reluctance to pay top dollar for free agents, so a big trade has seemed like the best way for them to upgrade the roster.
Tucker certainly qualifies. As mentioned, he has been one of the best position players in the majors recently and immediately becomes the best player for the Cubbies. Perhaps the Cubs will look to work out an extension with Tucker but that would require a very notable contract, the kind they haven’t given out recently. Even if Tucker is only at Wrigley for one year, the Cubs will at least be able to recoup draft pick compensation by issuing him the qualifying offer after 2025.
In addition to that, president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer is in the final year of his contract. With the Cardinals taking their foot of the gas pedal next year and the Reds and Pirates still struggling to come out of rebuilds, there’s a window for the Cubs to take a step forward, push the Brewers for the division and get Hoyer some extra job security.
It’s also possible that they won’t miss any of the pieces they gave up too much, even though they make a lot of sense for Houston. As mentioned, the Cubs have an excellent farm system. On Baseball America’s Top 100, they currently have six players on the list, which doesn’t even include Smith. Though it surely hurts to give up their most recent first round pick, the farm is still in good shape overall.
That farm might also be able to provide an immediate Paredes replacement. One of the club’s top prospects is Matt Shaw, who has played a bit of middle infield but a bit more at third. He split last season between Double-A and Triple-A, slashing .284/.379/.488 for a 146 wRC+. If the Cubs feel Shaw is ready to make the jump to the majors, that may have made Paredes expendable. Wesneski is also a talented pitcher but he’s been squeezed from the rotation plans in Chicago and largely kept in a swing role.
It’s a huge move for both clubs and will surely lead to more, especially for the Cubs. They already had a crowded outfield mix even before adding Tucker into it. They also have Pete Crow-Armstrong, Ian Happ, Seiya Suzuki and Cody Bellinger, not to mention prospects Alexander Canario, Kevin Alcántara and Owen Caissie. They have reportedly been trying to work out a deal involving Bellinger or, to a lesser extent, Suzuki. Happ and Suzuki both have no-trade clauses, making them difficult to move. Bellinger has an opt-out after 2025, which also makes him a tricky trade candidate.
One way or another, a move from that group feels inevitable. The Yankees have been connected to both Tucker and Bellinger, so perhaps they will now focus more on the latter now that they didn’t get Tucker.
For the Astros, what’s still unknown is if the door is totally closed to Bregman. It certainly feels like that may be the case, though it’s not impossible to see a path back to Houston. RosterResource estimates their competitive balance tax number at $225MM, which is $16MM shy of next year’s $241MM base threshold. Signing Bregman would certainly push them over, though not by as much now that Tucker’s gone. They could also theoretically lower their number by trading Valdez or Pressly. Then again, they’ve been talking about signing a new deal with Bregman for two years without it happening, so perhaps this is the door finally closing.
It’s also unknown if Houston is content with its Tucker-less outfield. Yordan Alvarez is a strong hitter but often relegated to DH duties due to ongoing knee issues. Jake Meyers, Chas McCormick and Taylor Trammell are other options on the roster, along with utility types like Mauricio Dubón and Shay Whitcomb. The group obviously looks weaker without Tucker in it, so perhaps the Astros will look to bolster the group in the coming weeks and months.
Time will tell how the move plays out in the full offseason for both clubs. But for today, the Cubs have added a huge talent to the roster without giving up anything truly heartbreaking. The Astros have lost that huge talent but could have made up a decent amount of his value in the short term while clearly helping themselves in the long term.
Bruce Levine of 670 The Score reported this morning that the Cubs and Astros were “circling” on a deal involving Tucker, Paredes and Smith. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first mentioned Wesneski’s inclusion. Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported that the deal was done.
nicksc10
Great move for the Cubbies. Gonna be a battle with MIL in that division.
kozy21
Don’t sleep on the Pirates.
nicksc10
Very true. They are gonna be a problem.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Pirates are far from a complete team at this point.
alwaysgo4two
Just one good bat, and some better years from those that had terrible years. Of course, being the Pirates they won’t find that bat because they go for the leftovers.
Troutahni
Prayed have big problems on offense, but they could possibly have the third or fourth beast pitching staff based on talent in the NL.
ellisd19830
The 2025 season us far from complete.
Blah blah blah
I’ll stop sleeping on the Pirates if they stop sleeping
thebirds
You can sleep on the Cardinals this year.
JCL10
Pirates have one good player. They need an offense before they can expect to win the division.
kozy21
No, the Pirates have one generational player and about a dozen good players. Even without Ortiz, they still have the best starting rotation the division.
case
Been sleeping on them for over half a century, think I just missed 1 wildcard game win?
Robertguyette
Reds are a bigger concern than the Pirates.. Injuries derailed that team last year, that can’t be expected to happen again.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Eh it’s a bad deal unless the cubs either get salary relief or they win the world series
rondon
Couldn’t disagree more. They’ve been a team full of ‘complementary players’ for several seasons, stuck at .500. This is a bold trade that needed to happen. He’s not Soto, but he’s the stud bat they haven’t had and badly needed. Paredes was never gonna be that guy. Wesnewski hasn’t taken the step forward they thought he’d take. Smith may end up being a star but he’s not one yet and they needed a big bump now.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Rondon: Couldn’t agree more.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
If the Phillies or Yankees acquired Tucker than it would be a good deal since he would be the last piece to help their World Series
But the cubs have a gazillion problems and Tucker isn’t that final piece that makes the cubs a World Series team
AND they lost their starting third baseman
Elon’sDOGEbag
Couldn’t agree more with your disagreement, I mean.
robert-5
Rondon, completely agree. But will still hurt to watch him leave and sign a $500M contract with LAD in a year…
fearthecub
Yep. This team desperately needed an impact player. They’ve been living on the fringes for far too long. Tucker makes this lineup WAY more formidable, I just hope it’s for more than one season.
Led Hoyer
The cubs definitely have work to do. It’s a good start.
Baseball Purist
Paredes was blocking their #1 draft pick Matt Shaw who has more upside potential. Have to give the rookie a shot at some point. He has did everything he can do in the minors.
bigjonliljon
I wonder if this wasn’t a Jed needed a big deal to save his job type of trade.
BarNone
i disagree on that analysis. the cubs were a couple bullpen pieces and a consistent hitter away from really competing. this gives them that powerful outfielder they need. It frees up a 40 man spot, they will likely trade bellinger either for pitching help or 3b help. this likely signals that they are going to give shaw a shot at the hot corner.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I think the Cubs know what it will take to sign Tucker. $45M AAV present value, some sort of opt-out/escalator like they did with Imanaga and like the Mets did with Soto, and a contract that lasts until he is 37 or 38.
The Cubs need success, at least an NLCS run, in the next three years to keep the Ricketts’ real estate empire rolling. I think they will spend the money, and I won’t be surprised if regardless of Tucker’s protestations that they sign an extension before the Japan trip.
cubfanforever
Shaw will prove to be a better third basemen. Hits with power, hits to all fields. Paredes basically gave away two thirds of the field as a dead pull hitter.
brood550
Shaw is not good enough defensively to stick at 3rd. He’s going to play second when they trade Horner.
cubfanforever
They may, but I hope not. Love guys like Hoerner who don’t strike out often, have terrific bat to ball skills, pop one occasionally and are terrific base runners.
Sadface
True maybe they sign Bregman and trade Bellinger to the Yankees.
wwnw
They gain an All-Star Gold Glove OF for a #7 prospect. The other two players are not even ranked. Yeah, the Cubs got fleeced. Right. LOL
brood550
The Cubs are focused on payroll cutting. A Bregman deal doesn’t fit that narrative. Bregman should be looking for a $28 million+/year deal for 6 years or more @ 5 years or less I’d put him @ $31 million minimum. The Cubs aren’t touching that.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
An arrow up #7 prospect
He will be in the top 100 prospects(I would go as far to say top 50)
brood550
I’d bet the Cubs go after Nick Senzel just like the Trey Mancini signing. Maybe they’ll be smart this time and do a 1 year deal with a club or mutual option.
pt57
A bump now to compete with the small market Brewers for the opportunity to get beat by the Dodgers, Phillies, Braves, or Mets in the playoffs. I‘m whelmed.
old elpaso
Astros will be back in tank mode by 2027. Tucker is only going to get better
earmbrister
Shaw doesn’t have the arm for 3B. He’s a 2Bman with a wonderful hit tool.
Gator50
Totally agree that the ultimate value of this trade for the Cubs will come down to whether or not they extend Tucker, make the NLCS or better, or both.
Giving up Paredes was a no brainer though. They have top prospects at AAA knocking at the door, Shaw at the top, and had to find a place for them to play. They could all be flops, or one or more could be a star, but you never know until they get consistent and prolonged play in the bigs.
For Love of the Game
Mariner, it is indeed a bad deal unless the Cubbies win the World Series OR extend Tucker.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I would be shocked if the cubs handed Tucker over 500 million because with Soto getting 765 Tucker is already at at least 500
Elon’sDOGEbag
Mariner and For Love:
Yes, trades are usually a gamble.
However, better to do something than nothing when sitting in limbo hell like the Cubs have been (will they or won’t they contend? Neither!) the past few years.
One thing that’s good is to unload Paredes while he still has value- I’ve always thought he’ll fizzle out fast.
And that’s trading for you. Knee-jerk, high-risk, feelings-laced moves that are usually really good or really bad. Rarely in between.
robert-5
I agree I dont see the Cubs offering Tucker a deal that will keep him, but I have believe Ricketts told Jed Hoyer he’d be willing to try or this deal really makes no sense at all.
The Cubs even with Tucker and Sasaki or whoever else they could hope to sign this winter are still far from locks to compete w LAD
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
He turns 28 next month. So a contract will be from age 29-38, so 10 years. Present value AAV will be between Judge and Ohtani, so let’s call it $45M. So that’s 10/450 in terms of present value. Creatively, his agent can structure escalators and deferrals to take the total over $500M the way that Soto’s deal can escalate to $805M.
revolver
Or they extend him
Greensoxbaseball
why would they need salary relief? (i’m not a cubs fan)
Robertguyette
This is an overpay for one year by a desperate front office. The reason their competitive window closed so soon last time is because they make short sighted moves like this.
bigjonliljon
It’s a great one year win now trade. They gave up an awful lot of the future for him though. They would need to sign him to an extension to
Make it a good trade. And every report says he’s not interested in signing an extension.
Bobcastelliniscat
Don’t forget the Reds, we picked a solid Rule 5 infielder who will be converted an outfielder.
TBJowers
The Brewers just traded their closer for Nestor Cortes they’re going in the wrong direction
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I am happy for Cubs to give Asterisks Paredes and Hayden. Cam Smith looked good but if Cubs keep Shaw, Caissie and Hoerner than I can live with it, even like it.
The Cubs still need a late inning reliever, maybe two.
Degaz
Massive overpay…
JackStrawb
“Great move”? To pick up one or two wins for one year over what Paredes would have given them each of the next three years, plus giving up Wesneski, plus Smith?
The difference bt Tucker in 2024 and Paredes in 2023 was all of 0 point 4 fWAR. Houston has to be delighted with this return.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Tucker was playing like an mvp last year and could have a huge walk year if he’s healthy
bootsday29
Cub fans have to stop falling in love with players and overstating how good they are. Wesneski was going nowhere, Paredes was disappointing and who knows about Smith. Remember all the prospects who were going to be the next great Cub and never panned out.Tucker is a proven talent.
thefallensoldier
Overpay for one year but Tucker is a stud
Blah blah blah
can you acquire any star player without overpaying these days? whether in trade or free agency?
thefallensoldier
True, just the price of doing business
bigjonliljon
Cubs actually gave up more than the Yankees did for Soto.
robert-5
I think there’s an argument that Tucker is actually a better ballplayer than Soto. Soto has more bat, but it’s at least comparable and Tucker’s defense and base running far surpass Soto’s.
bigdaddyt
Robert using that argument I would say that Dalton Varsho is a better player than Soto because of his defence.
Signed-Ross Atkins
BobinTexas
Tucker had a better OPS than Soto last year, is far better on defense, and steals bases. He is Soto-light. His WAR in 2024 was a hair below Soto even though Tucker missed significant injury time.
And Soto-light is damn good. Since Tucker has been in the league, only guys with names like Betts, Ohtani, Judge, etc. have a better OPS. The numbers don’t like.
BobinTexas
Yes sir, 58 years. And just look at the numbers. Tucker is Soto-lite. By almost any comparitive statistic over his career.
Look at 2024 as an example
Soto / Tucker
Batting Average .288 / .289
On Base Pct .419 / .408
Slugging Pct .569 / .585
OPS .989 / .993
Pads Fans
Soto through age 25 – 36.4 WAR .285/.421/.532/.953 in 936 games
Tucker through age 27- .23.0 WAR 274/.353/.516/.870 in 633 games
Both have played 7 seasons in the majors.
Tucker will get paid after 2025. 10/300 easily. Just not in the same realm as Soto.
BobinTexas
Exactly, Soto-lite. I think that with a good year in Wrigley, he will pull 12/$450. Again, Soto-lite. And waaay to rich for the Astros. Cubs can pau it, but probably will get outbid.
roob
I’m not saying that Tucker is better than Soto but you could certainly have a reasonable debate about it. Tucker is one of the very best outfielders in baseball, clearly.
YourDreamGM
Disappointing return. SD did way better. 2 years of King and a prospect capable of headlining a Cease deal. Houston got a nice prospect. Cubs will get one too with QO. Not as nice but not bad. Paredes is solid but nothing special. Reliever is ok but not much value unless you can out develop the Cubs and Yankees. SD turned Soto who cost much more $ than Tucker into 2 years of 2 top rotation arms.
WadeBoggsWildRide
The Padres got and Ace for Soto
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Big John
I disagree.
Thorpe was ranked higher than Cam Smith. He was not injured at time.
King is more valuable than Paredes.
Hish more useful than Hayden.
PutPeteinthehall
Yeah a pitcher that gives up an average of 2hr per game that can’t stay healthy and a third baseman whose game doesn’t play in Chicago.
JackStrawb
@Pads Fans There isn’t a competent projection system in the world that cares what players did five, six, and seven years ago, and the good ones routinely ignores four years back or at most weight them at around 10% of projections.
In any case forget Tucker if you want to go that route. Wrt Soto since 2018 Matt Chapman is 1.2 bWAR worse than Soto, Marcus Semien is 1.0 bWAR better than Soto.
But he’s “generational”? Sure he is.
JackStrawb
Anyone paying $450m for a 5 WAR RFer turning 29 his first FA year is an imbecile. Tucker would have to put up 50 WAR for that deal to begin to show a profit. 40 if you assume a high inflation rate, 35 if you’re feeling especially generous.
That last figure would make Tucker a borderline HOFer—does anyone, ANYONE see him that way?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Bigliljon, They gave up far less than the Yankees. The Padres got an Ace out of that deal then flipped the other piece for another Ace.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If FA Tucker is 10/300, Cubs might be players. If it is 12/420, I just don’t see it happening. How Tucker plays in 2025 will be huge anyway, so too early to accurately speculate.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Soto is obviously a better hitter than Tucker, but when you factor in defense and base-running, the amount separating them is lessened.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yes, which is why it seems very unlikely to me that the Padres will flip Cease this off-season, I think Cease stays even if he is not extended.
Robertguyette
You are forgetting about defense, in which Tucker is far better than Soto
Led Hoyer
You have to factor in age too. Tucker prime years vs Soto prime years also drives that AAV. 10 for 375 would be my guess. It’s a lot but the cubs can certainly afford one dang contract.
outinleftfield
2025 will be Tucker’s age 28 season. The 1st year of his FA deal he will be 29. He won’t get 12 years. 10 years at $30 million AAV or maybe a little more is realistic unless he puts up a 7 WAR season in 2025. Either way he will not be returning to the Cubs.
For one year of Tucker they gave up 3 years of Paredes at about 3 WAR per, 5 years of Wesneski, and 6 years of Smith.
outinleftfield
Roob, no you can’t. I posted this earlier but it bears reposting. Tucker is not in the same class as Soto.
Soto through age 25 – 36.4 WAR .285/.421/.532/.953 in 936 games
Tucker through age 27 – .23.0 WAR 274/.353/.516/.870 in 633 games
Both have played 7 seasons in the majors.
outinleftfield
Thorpe was ranked #85 by MLB pre-season 2024
Cam Smith is ranked #73 and should rise in updates prior to the season.
I agree about King being more valuable than Paredes, but at the time of the trade he had just 9 starts with the Yankees and no one knew how well he would transition to full time starter.
The Padres got a HUGE return for Soto that propelled them into the playoffs.
The Astros got a huge return for Tucker filling 2 needs and getting a top prospect that is moving so fast that he could be their starter at 3B by the beginning of 2026.
Wesneski is basically one of the guys the Padres got, Jhony Brito. A swing man with an ERA around 4.
outinleftfield
Its not close. Through 1st 7 seasons in the majors 36.4 WAR vs 23.0 WAR.
outinleftfield
I think that if Morosi was right about what they want for Cease, that he will definitely stay with them. If someone gives that much up, they would be fools not to trade him.
outinleftfield
WAR takes defense into account. Soto is heads and shoulders better than Tucker. It’s not even close.
YourDreamGM
I knew. Obviously
Gator50
Meh. Hurts a bit to give up on Cam Smith so soon, but he’s really the only significant piece the Cubs gave up. Paredes was a player in waiting to be replaced, and Wesneski represented some redundancy.
Pads Fans
In MLB being 2/3 of the players does not equal 2/3 the money. I could see someone giving Tucker another 2 years and $400 million if he puts up another 5+ WAR season in Chicago. I have seen multiple projections and all have been between $330-352 million. With all the contracts going above the projections this offseason, I can see $400 million for him.
I think that Swanson at 7 years and $177 million was the largest contract the Ricketts have ever given out. Maybe Heyward, but I don’t remember if they were the owners yet then. I don’t believe they will go much beyond that for anyone.
Pads Fans
Paredes was the Cubs starting 3B. Once Cam Smith came up he might have been traded, but that was still at least a year off.
Never Remember
Yes the Yankees just did by stealing Williams from the cheap ass Brewers
JackStrawb
If you’re overpaying like this, it’s the game telling you something.
RussianFemboy
@thefallen
I forget how good Tucker is sometimes, I have to go look at his stats every once in a while.
YourDreamGM
They absolutely won’t pay 450m for a 5 war player unless it’s deferred a ton. But he is projected to be a 7 8 war player.
Ma4170
Last year tucker had 4.2 fwar in 339PA.. he def has the capability
outinleftfield
By whom? Tucker has been very consistent between 4.7 WAR last season and his peak of 5.7 WAR in 2021. He is a very good player. Just not a 7 WAR player yet.
chemfinancing
Smith seems pretty desirable but Paredes and Wesneski are pure duds esp Wesneski
RussianFemboy
@chem
I wouldn’t say they are duds.
Isaac is a pretty good hitter, and is only 25 years old.
wesneski is 27 and if he stays healthy, I think he can be good as well.
Cam smith I agree, he’s a great hitter and defender.
robert-5
I think Wesneski probably tops out as a solid setup guy if he lets that 4-seamer fly in the upper 90s like he’s capable w that frisbee sweeper.
He has the arsenal to be a starter but seems to fall in love with low-90s sinkers/cutters and has issues locating w all his pitches. The fastball/slider combo are legit.
dpotempa68
I agree…They give up Parades (which was known to be the plan after the traded for him, but then trade away another infielder?). What happen to all the talk about them having a plethora of outfielders to use as trade bait…
rondon
They needed to make room for Shaw. Barring another move, I’ll bet he gets first shot at 3rd base in the spring.
JoeBrady
They give up Parades (which was known to be the plan after the traded for him,
=======================
But then what was the point of trading for him.
Jbigz12
Presumably they valued him more than the prospects they gave up and morel. He was an odd fit for them from the jump but Houston probably wouldn’t have taken the package the rays got for Paredes instead of Paredes
Phree4u
To trade him to a team that needs him
Damn Yankee$
Jed Hoyer’s job is seriously in question right now. This was a CYA trade in my opinion.
Tigers3232
He’s the 3rd GM in last few yrs to have dealt Paredes. It seems teams are a bit leery of him. I’d guess he outproduced his talent in 2023 and they see it’s unsustainable.
Wesneski going into his age 27 season has to look all that inspiring.
The big question that won’t b answered til this fall or years from now is Smith. If Cubs make some noise and advance to NLCS or WS it ll be a clear win. If they fall short of that who won this trade won’t be known til years from now and likely come down to what Smith becomes.
All things considered though I don’t see Hoyer’s job being in question at all right now.
choof
Gadzooks
Samuel
Astros did the right thing.
Cubs did the wrong thing.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Life is short, Cubs fans are mostly happy, Houston fans are disappointed. Can’t fully assess the deal until hot stove is over, but it seems to make sense for both sides.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Not just making a splash. Taking over the. Central Division pond if they add a couple more pieces. Dodgers looked primed for three more years, no reason for a large market team to wait for the Dodgers to age when they will reboot anyway. The key is picking the right prospects to retain, which were Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros.
JackStrawb
This is making a splash for the sake of making a splash. “Look busy!!”
Robertguyette
This is a move to keep sports talk radio off of their back. Which seems to be a very Chicago thing to do.. Bulls, and Bears have been using the same script lately too.
Unclemike1526
Well I posted this before but the censors decided to delete it but I’ll try again. Anybody who thinks this is a good trade needs to wake up. The only way this trade makes ANY sense is if you think the Cubs are World Series contenders in 2025. Otherwise it’s what I think it is. A pitiful flail by an executive who’s on his last year and desperate to look like he knows what he’s doing. He doesn’t. He makes me sick.
User 1939973770
right-hander Cam Smith and prospect Cam Smith
Dotnet22
2 Cam Smiths?
clubberlang
Double Cam Smiths!
seth
They like Cam Smith so much, they got him twice.
differentbears
His name is Cam Smith, but it’s pronounced Hayden Wesneski.
kcmark
No Cam Do
Larry D.
*Hayden Wesneski
Acoss1331
Hoyer got it done. I’m shocked, the man finally used those prospects. Very surprised and pleased with this move.
mike127
Not “those” prospects—“a” prospect. You know what Wesneski and Parades are.
SODOMOJO
Wesneski, I would not sleep on that kid. He’s done nothing but strike guys out his whole life. I bet we’ll see him plugged right into the rotation and I will have many shares of him for fantasy come March.
bigjonliljon
Except the left handed hitters that continually pound him for home runs.
revolver
He’s been hit hard and is quite average in the k dept.
robert-5
I havent looked at the starter vs relief stats but from watching him, I think he’d be better off focusing on his fastball/slider as a reliever.
Led Hoyer
He doesn’t have the stuff to be a top of the rotation arm. Hes a backend/ swingman/Middle relief. He did great for the cubs in stretches.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
And the Cubs only gave up Scott Effross who almost immediately needed TJS once he was with the Yankees.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If you are convinced buy his baseball cards cheap because very few people agree with you. I followed him carefully for a while and he did not impress me. But maybe a pitching coach can help him figure how to avoid giving up so many home runs.
Tigers3232
Wesneski in college only once averaged a K per 9 innings. That was his brief 28 inning Senior yr where he got 30 Ks. The 3 years prior to that he was well under.
He was a little above a K per 9 across different levels of MiLB. In 3 yrs and 190 MLB innings he’s just under 1 K per 9(188 K’s) not bad but nothing spectacular.
The big issue is he’s going into age 27 season and has not been all that effective as a MLB starting pitcher. Just not seeing any reason one would be so excited about him. Nor do I see how you came up with “He’s done nothing but strikeout guys his whole life.” Unless you were making an assumption or just thought it sounded good. Im reality though that claim is utterly false. The guy went to Sam Houston State and was well below average as far as Ks.
Robertguyette
Put a real defense behind him and let him play in a real ball park for half his games, he might just be a legit pitcher.
SODOMOJO
I was not aware that a k per inning was not sufficient for me to call him a strikeout guy.
After your careful analysis of my simple passing statement, I can assure. you that I don’t feel any different. I looked at his stats before I made this post. I saw that he has averaged a strikeout per inning, for just about his entire career. I’m looking at the same stats you are, recognizing that a k per inning is a good marker. I’m not sure in what world that ISN’T good, but I am truly fascinated by your well thought out diatribe, trying to tear down such a simple ball talk statement.
A statement, which I stand by. He fits the profile of a possible late bloomer. Ignore him, do whatever you will; I simply propose that he’s a possible candidate to show more than what he’s done so far.
And I will stand by this til the cows come home: if you’re striking out 1 per 9 in the major leagues; you’re doing something right. Enough right that one of the great analytical teams in the history of the game wants to take a flier on you.
Tigers3232
@Sodo You did not say his entire career, you stated his entire life. 3 years of his college career he was far from a K per inning pitcher.
I will stand by my original redponde,he had not been striking out opposing batters his while life.
SODOMOJO
Sure. His k numbers are slightly worse in college.
That slight hyperbole really put a lump of coal in your wheaties, eh?
Pads Fans
Wesneski allowed a .219/.282/.377/.660 line against LHB last season with 4 HR in 124 PA against him. If that is getting pounded, can the Padres get 2 of him?
Pads Fans
Tigers, Wesneski was drafted after his junior year at Sam Houston State. He was almost exactly average in college with a 7.0 K/9. NCAA average from 2017-2019 was 6.9 K/9. His 3.56 ERA was much better than the 4.33 NCAA D1 average for starting pitchers.
In the Majors he is just above average at striking out people with a 23.7% K rate vs the MLB average of 22.6%. His 3.93 ERA is better than the MLB average of 4.11 ERA over that time frame. Being just better than average is a good thing, not a bad thing.
He is coming home. He was born in Houston and went to college close by in Huntsville, Tx.
YourDreamGM
I don’t know how good Jed is but he is freaking lucky. I have no idea why teams massively overpaid for his selloffs. No idea why Houston let him off this easy. Guy has killed it in trades. Now just waiting for someone to take Bellinger off his hands.
Dogbone
@dreamgm
You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about, do you? You just like to comment on everything. Give it a rest.
YourDreamGM
@Dog My record speaks for itself. Easy to know this since I comment on everything.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I have Hoyer somewhere in the middle. Ownership has kept them from spending like a huge city franchise. I think they should have got a top catcher and an established closer. The emergence of Shaw and Ballesteros made Cam Smith expendable. I like the deal for Tucker but I still only rate Hoyer middle of the pack.
YourDreamGM
Probably same for me. Selling off is easy but he got some wow returns. Buying is much harder but he did great here. Only thing that really matters is player development. Gotta hire the right people.
Gmen777
Great move for the Cubs. With the Brewers trading Williams and losing Adames the time to make moves is now.
Wire to wire 2024
I wish the reds felt the same way
Bobcastelliniscat
Sir, You are forgetting about Rule 5 pick Cooper Bowman.
PutPeteinthehall
Bowman will get a chance. Bellinger plays first. I can see Busch sliding over to either second or third as well. He was a second/ third baseman in the minors. Hoyer is trying to get impact players to add to the “nice” players the team already has. A team of nice players won 83 games last two seasons. Bowman has power and speed. Also plays the hot corner. It’s easy to see why they took him. Rare combination for a third baseman. Bowman or Busch at third. No reason to move Bellinger. He’s the first baseman. Suzuki is mostly a DH. With the new catcher other than who’s on third the defense is great.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Cooper is on a Cooperstown trajectory? Bob’s Cat has that one right.
rotofool
I don’t say this often, but wow that is a great trade for the Cubs! Tucker fits their needs EXACTLY. They now have an inside track to resign Tucker long term without having given up a ton, plus can be compensated in 2026 if Tucker were to sign elsewhere.
Lanidrac
Not exactly, since they currently have a log jam in the OF. We still need to see how they trade one of their extra OFers before we can fully analyze this deal. If they have to dump Bellinger for mostly just salary relief, that puts a damper on this first deal.
rondon
Why? They just upgraded RF with a player who’s better all around than Bellinger and Seiya. If they move Bellinger’s salary they have payroll space to upgrade that bullpen and/or another starter. I see no damper in that.
Lanidrac
Then they’ll have just wasted all the extra value they could’ve gotten for Bellinger instead if they weren’t forced into dumping him. It’s not just about what helps them but the price that the help costs.
Bellinger is easily worth some decent prospects and/or MLB pieces under normal circumstances, even if the Cubs have to throw in a few million, but the Cubs have lost most of their leverage now that everyone knows they have to trade one of their outfielders.
If all they can get for Bellinger is dumping most of his salary and a lottery ticker or two in return, that means that the overall cost of upgrading from Bellinger to Tucker + some extra money (while opening up a hole at 3rd base) is basically Bellinger + Paredes + Wesneski + a decent prospect, which is a HUGE overpay!
chiefnocahoma1
So Bellinger is dealt next?
Wagner>Cobb
Yankee fans will be so salty with Bellinger going to them this way.
bronxbombers
Not really, didn’t really expect Houston to trade with us.
Bucket Number Six
Nah, they’ll be glad to have him. Cubs had the prospect the Astros wanted.
larkraxm
Yankees did too, but they were not going to give up Gil.
Salzilla
No salt when he’s on most of our wish lists.
Big whiffa
It’s a lock now. This is a better trade for the Yankees then either of these teams as they’ll acquire bellinger for nothing since he’s due 32.5 and is guaranteed to opt out
yukz
As well as Suzuki…
Wire to wire 2024
You think they’re getting bellinger and seiya?
king beas
Great haul for the Astros
Big whiffa
Great haul ! This is how competent teams trade ! High floor, proven mlb talent and high ceiling proven prospects.
Getz shoulda let Astros gm negotiate for his team lol
Moneyballer
Proven prospects?! Uhhh.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“Proven prospect” who is yet to play above AA….yeah right.
earmbrister
He’s already in AA, rising 3 levels, after being drafted this year. Proven? No. Top prospect? Oh yeah.
amk1920
Astros just intentionally closed their window
metsin4
It was already closed.
Big whiffa
Def closed to more WS rings. A few more trades like this and they’ll be back soon ! And still the darling of the AL West
YourDreamGM
They needed a 1b and got one. Maybe they trade Valdez for Tucker replacement. This pitcher takes rotation spot. There’s still a few outfielders out there. Lots of pitchers.
I would have just kept Tucker if this was best I could do. But theoretically they could still contend.
Footjoyboi
Tucker has actually sucked in the playoffs in his career, so not missing anything as long as they make the playoffs.
Senioreditor
Hardly, their division is WEAK.
Armaments216
If nothing else this does seem to firmly close the door on Bregman.
CamFrost
He may not return, but I feel this helps keep him more than anything. Trade Tucker bc you know you can’t afford him and use the money to keep Bregman.
Armaments216
Paredes and Smith are now the 3B of the present and future. Bregman is the ghost of 3B past.
Motor City Beach Bum
Looks like Bregman is bound for the Tigers or Yankees.
Jean Matrac
CamFrost, But does this discourage Bregman from wanting to re-sign? They’re less of a contender now?
Led Hoyer
They probably already pulled the Bergman offer.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I was thinking the same thing. This move does not portend on Bergman one way or the other. If they offer enough money, Bregman is not going to leave because Tucker is gone. The question is whether another team will push Bregman past what Houston will pay.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
If I put on my Mariners cap I say Yay I’m glad Tucker is out of the AL West. Tired of looking at his unsmiling mug. But if I put on my Fan of Baseball cap I say boo, this is bad for baseball because Tucker is the type of player you build around, not trade away.
Footjoyboi
They wouldn’t have been able to build around him because they were going to lose him in free agency. As long as he doesn’t have a down year in 2025, he’s probably getting a 12 year $500 million deal next offseason.
BobinTexas
Only a few teams have the resources to “build around” a guy that will cost you $500+ million and $45-%50 million annually.
This is the type of player that rich teams (like the Cubs) should build around.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Sacramento A’s chances just got better!
Damn Yankee$
Question is who are they going to trade him to at the deadline?
xXTheFETTXx
IF Isaac Paredes. RHP Hayden Wesneski and 3B prospect Cam Smith
xXTheFETTXx
Cam Smith is highly regarded, but not THAT highly regarded.
mpwr2
Smith is a stud. He’s going to win multiple gold gloves at 3B
robert-5
He’s a bat-first player who’s unlikely to stick at 3B from what Ive read.
averagejoe15
Multiple gold gloves based on what? Certainly not scouting reports or pedigree.
WestVillageTiger
Maybe. But he might not be MLB-ready just yet…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I read that Cam Smith is a bat first 3B who probably could stick there but could end up as a 1B or DH. No gold glove prognostications from anyone. Ballesteros would be a better DH.
Led Hoyer
I was listening to a cubs podcast. They said Ballesteros is probably the best bat in the minors. He looks like Kirk from Toronto. I really hope he can figure out how to play passable catcher. It’s such an advantage to have a catcher that isn’t an absolute black hole in the lineup.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Based on what, exactly ? He has done nothing and has only just got to AA level.
Pads Fans
Backup catcher and 1B/DH the rest of the time? That is really valuable when they can rake.
Pads Fans
He was drafted in July. You can count on your fingers the number of players that are drafted in July and are in AA in September. Prospects have to be really good to do that or play for an organization totally bereft of good prospects. The Cubs are not one of those organizations.
Watch for the MLB Pipeline prospect updates in January and if you subscribe look at the Baseball America updates that are starting to come out on a team by team basis now. Cam Smith will be somewhere between 40-50 overall on MLB Pipeline based on what Baseball America has said about him.
His initial scouting grades prior to playing in pro ball were Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 45 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55.
Baseball America has him graded higher in all of those except Run in the prospect updates following the season.
If you are an Astros fan, you should be excited about him being involved in the trade.
orbitsbrother
Tough to lose him, but better than losing him for nothing. The market is so messed up right now zero chance he was signing an extension.
tico8
Astros really punting this year
orbitsbrother
He was out half the season last year and they still easily won the division.
jhonny
It’s not going to happen again this year. I think every team in the division will be better besides the Astros. Even the A’s and Angels will be more competitive. The Rangers and Mariners will at least be pretty good.
YourDreamGM
If they were punting then Paredes is a awful move. Looks like contending to me. Trying to at least.
Bryc3 Harp3r
They cloned Cam Smith?! Great deal!
marrtho
Sad day for anyone who thought a cam smith jersey hoping one of them would work out
Armaments216
Future outlook may be better for a “Smith” jersey versus one that says “Wesneski”
CamFrost
Good deal for both sides. Houston gets a bat that fits their lineup/ballpark perfectly, likely their new top prospect and a sold pitcher they can hope to get right (like they’ve done well with in the past). They weren’t gonna sign Tuck so I get it. Hope he continues to ball out in Chicago!
rondon
Absolutely!
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Love this trade for the Cubs!
ForDoingNothing
Pretty light package but on a one year deal do the Cubs have anywhere near what they need to win a World Series? Can’t imagine anybody thinks yes right now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think that Cubs in 2025 could easily be the Diamondbacks of 2023, but they need some back end bullpen pieces. I still like the Dodger team best in MLB if their rotation stays healthy.
Led Hoyer
Dodgers are the team to beat for next several years, probably will not be close. If they get Roki, yikes.
HiredGun23
Oh Darragh, you are a nut! Ya slay me with your lil comedic tid bits…hahaha!
13Morgs13
Phillies are just sitting the off season out when it comes to OF bats
Cambo
We must protect every PROSPECT we have at all costs!!!!!!
-Signed
DD
SteveC
That’s usually the opposite of what ppl say about him
Heels On The Field
The Phillies are “taking a step back” and as usual they “forgot” to tell their fans (their attendance is terrific) so they too could “take a step back from CBP” and spend their summer money elsewhere.
El Kabong
That is fantastic news for Cubs fans. Other moves are likely to follow. It’ll be interesting to see what they do next.
Led Hoyer
They better get to work trading some outfielders. They have 8 now.
El Kabong
Be patient. Everything doesn’t have to happen in one day.
Big whiffa
It probably will all happen today lol
Senioreditor
LA looking………
NashvilleJeff
@Led Hoyer: Braves on line 1………….
solaris602
Once again they have a hole at 3B. Do they get a rental as a bridge to Shaw?
yogineely
2 cam smiths?!
KnicksFanCavsFan
Can anyone gleam into the thinking on the Cubs? Are they planning on competing this year ? They could flip him for prosp at the deadline but they wound be had pressed to get better than what they have with half of a season left.
rotofool
The Cubs are risking very little imo.
We could probably all agree that Tucker is easily worth more than both Paredes & Wisniewski for one season. The loss of Cam Smith is balanced by receiving a 2026 1st round Comp pick if Tucker signs elsewhere. The difference between a 2024 #1 (14) and 2026 #1Comp pick is worth the risk!
YourDreamGM
Every central team should be trying to contend. Cubs certainly are and after this gift they should go all in (not trading the farm but filling out roster).
Big whiffa
If you are in the NL Central, you always have a chance to compete.
And cubs can afford to pay tucked 400 mil if he’s interested in staying there. So great acquisition and it didn’t cost them much in perspective of their overall system depth
averagejoe15
What do you mean? They are clearly ‘trying’ to compete. Their division isn’t strong, it’s not long ago they signed Dansby, they made the move for Paredes last deadline, re-signed Belli last year, signed Imanaga last year. While they could really use another front-line pitcher, they’ve clearly been trying to consolidate offensive talent to improve the overall potential of the roster. They probably should be in on Burnes, Cease, and Castillo but the offense was a clear, and likely less costly, priority.
rotofool
I think their SP target is Roki Sasaki.
Armaments216
Chicago’s goong with a 3-4 defense this year. 3 IF-4OF.
Simm
Guess they will trade two outfielders now.
solaris602
Ideally for a 3B
Classicfinder
Looks like a great deal for the Cubs especially if they can sign him to a new deal.
ryrockak
Since the Cubs didn’t trade Belli to the Yankees first, the Yankees now have clear leverage in trade talks. Maybe they will get lucky and a mystery team will call and try to trade for Belli to get a better deal
El Kabong
There is no change in leverage because the Cubs don’t have to trade Bellinger to the Yankees. What’s clear is that Hoyer has a plan to improve his team.
ryrockak
I’ve been reading that the Yankees were the only team to engage the Cubs for Belli so far. I hope other teams join the convo now
fathead0507
Rangers and Braves have engaged as well
YourDreamGM
No such thing as leverage. Only weak negotiators.
Led Hoyer
If I am the cubs I am trying to swing a deal with Seattle for Castillo. They have 5 Will Warrens and just traded one to Houston.
Tiger22matt
Yankees have very little prospect and have zero leverage.
Salzilla
Yanks have plenty of prospects that are wanted. See Durbin in today’s deal for example. And they do have leverage in a deal now, because the Cubs have to trade Bellinger. Any team trying does.
Tiger22matt
The Yankees have exactly 1 top 100 prospect. The rest are overrated trash.
Salzilla
That’s an opinion many do not share. Top 100 and good prospects are not necessarily synonymous. Cashman has constantly traded prospects during his tenure. This trash sentiment cones from fans and not other gms.
Tiger22matt
Name a prospect the Yankees have sent out that has been worth the player they got. You won’t be able to.
Salzilla
You do not get it, do you? It does not matter, worth and value are subjective to the eyes of the beholder. Cashman has consistently and confidently traded every offseason, so the proof is in the pudding.
Tiger22matt
None of the players going to the other teams have had any value.
Salzilla
And here we are in a world where those prospects netted us Soto last season and Devin Williams this offseason so far. Sorry, but we done here. I gotta go enjoy celebrating one of the best closers in baseball our trash netted us. Peace!
cwsOverhaul
They do, but he’s guaranteed 32.5mil this year for a “decent” player after adding the buyout. Can dump probably 20-25 of that and say hello to 3B Shaw now that deal official.
Salzilla
Ding ding ding! Yanks have all the leverage on Belli deal right now.
Tiger22matt
No they dont
Salzilla
We shall see, right?
Led Hoyer
There are plenty of teams that are looking for a LH bat. It’s just going to come down to money. The Cubs are cheap, so the Yankees are probably the best fit.
Jbigz12
Bellinger isn’t going to require a return at all. Yankees system is weak but he’ll be a salary dump.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Giants would like Belli, Dbacks would like Belli, not just Yankees. Maybe even Mariners. It all depends how much cash is in deal. The team that can send black a Kate inning reliever or a solid starter has an edge, it no return is required if the Cubs only have to chip in a couple millions. The leverage situation favors the Cubs. They could even keep Belli and trade Suzuki, but the price for Suzuki will be much higher.
Jean Matrac
The Giants don’t need Bellinger, especially if he opts in next season. He might be a fit at $10M less, but he’s still not the answer to a need. Another OF wouldn’t be bad for them to get, but they could address that a lot cheaper, without giving up prospect capital.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I am thinking the Cubs will chip in more like $5 million and expect an irrelevant player in return. I am guessing Eldridge will be ready in 2026. But Belli is also an upgrade on Lee and Yaz. No evidence that Matos or Luciano are ready this April. The question here is money, not prospect capital. Same for Yankees and Dbacks. Now in the case of Mariners, the question is would the Cubs send a couple prospects with Belli and/or Hoerner to net Castillo.
Jean Matrac
Bellinger is only worth about $15M per year. $5M wouldn’t cut it. He isn’t really an upgrade on Lee, because Bellinger isn’t a CF anymore, especially with that field at Oracle. Not that he was ever great there.
Based on last season he isn’t even much of an upgrade on Yaz.
Bellinger, 111 OPS+, 2.2 bWAR.
Yastrzemski, 110 OPS+, 2.1 bWAR.
For the production they’d get, for what Bellinger would cost, isn’t worth it. The money would be better spent elsewhere.
Plus, they need to get Matos playing time. He won’t turn 23 until January. People were ready to give up on Ramos prior to last year, and he’s 2 years older than Matos. They need to see what they have in him.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I hope Matos succeeds, but I don’t think the Giants will have him on the Opening Day roster.
Belli OPS+ to Yaz OPS+ in 2023 was 139 to 114, so Belli has more upside, but maybe the Yankees are a better fit, due to Belli’s ability to play 1B or all three outfield spots. I agree hat CF at Oracle is tougher.
Jean Matrac
Bellinger does have more upside, but over their last 3 seasons Bellinger’s OPS+ was 111, and Yastrzemski’s was 105. My point being that that upside isn’t worth the difference in salary. Bellinger is set to make $18.25M more than the projected arb raise for Yaz. I’m not sure it would be worth it even if the Cubs ate $10M. And if they ate that much, they’d want something in return.
Matos could make the opening day roster if he has a great spring, but probably not if they acquire another OF. It will be interesting to see if they do, or don’t. What they do will be indicative of how they feel about Matos I think.
batteryoutlet
Great move by the Cubs, fair deal all around
kgcubs
Aloha folks, this isn’t a great move by a desperate Hoyer. Cubs gave away a current 3rd baseman and a future 3rd baseman for a rental that this ownership will not pay for in free agency. I thought the Cubs had too many outfielders then this happens and Future talent is sacrificed. Not to mention the Cubs draft order isn’t the best next year. Well, have to see how it works out. Mahalo
JerseyShoreScore
Suzuki is a DH.
yukz
He already said that he hates being DH, meaning he won’t be a good bat there
Cmurphy
He doesn’t like it but that didn’t stop his bat from being the best during the time he was DH.
Led Hoyer
His bat was just fine there last year.
YourDreamGM
Easy grade A win for Cubs. Tucker is elite top 10 player. QO draft pick get another 3b prospect. Trade lesser player get 3b prospect. Paredes is just above average. They have a plan to replace him. See if it works. Doesn’t matter because you can’t turn around a winning trade like this. Too good to say no to.
YourDreamGM
Watched some clips. Looks like Shaw is ready for a look and can be at 3b this season at least. Smith looks like a better fit for Houstons small LF than 3b.
batteryoutlet
cubs fans who wanted the same 2024 team on the field in 2025 is insane to me
kgcubs
Aloha Jersey, I’m all for bold moves. But not sacrificing young talent that they should have kept, evaluated a little more and for a rental? I would have been okay if it were Paredes and say Alcantara, Triantos just not Shaw or Cam. Then Shaw can start at 3rd next year and in the near future Cam comes up and Shaw moves to 2nd. Cubs aren’t going to resign Tucker under this current ownership, largest deal given so far is JHeys $184mil. Tucker will want $400+ not happening by the Ricketts. Now we see what happens with Cody. Mahalo
El Kabong
The Cubs should always be looking to improve, especially considering the division they play in. The Cardinals are in disarray, and the other three teams are trying to figure out a path. Now is the perfect time for the Cubs to pounce.
RussianFemboy
I agree with you.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Paredes was an expensive utility player who was only obtained because Morel was an even worse fit.
kgcubs
Aloha 100, as I have said to many, no problem at all in trading Paredes. But I thought if he was moved, than Shaw would start there, then move to 2nd when Nico goes, hoping that Cam Smith would be ready to take over at 3rd. This is so much capital to spend on a one year rental. This Cubs ownership’s largest contract was to JHey for $184mil. I don’t see them spending $400+ mil to keep Tucker around. No issue with Tucker’s worth. But this is a type of move made when a team is close to competing for a championship like the 2015 was. This current Cubs team isn’t close and for Hoyer who hasn’t made many moves, this seems desperate. But I hope for the best and await the FO’s upcoming moves. Mahalo!
stymeedone
Evidently, Bregman won’t be back. Who’s playing 3B in Chicago now? I don’t think they will get in the bidding.
robert-5
I wouldn’t expect Cubs to pursue Bregman. They have Shaw and some young players to try. If all else fails, there’s always the trade deadline. Of course more deals to be made w Belli and possibly Seiya. Not crazy to think they could still target a Bohm or someone to take the position, but it further blocks prospects.
I think Cubs need to trade some OFers for pitching depth and maybe a closer or LH RP.
revolver
Shaw
That’s the point of this trade. To open up space forprospects.
YourDreamGM
2nd shaw at 3b
rhandome
Are the Astros tanking?
The_Porcupine
No. They have a budget crunch and couldnt make any substantial moves without moving out payroll. There was no chance they were going to resign tucker. Not with the way the market evolved this year. And i dont think tucker was ever really interested in resigning. The astros picked up a solid 1b/3b and a first rounder from last year who absolutely raked in the minors in exchange for a rental player.
Lankster19
Yesssss!!! Jed you have totally redeemed yourself!! Now trade Cody to the yanks and use his money to get Alonso. That will win the division
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Cubs don’t need Pete Alonso. How about Tanner Scott, AJ Minter and Jose Quintana?
johncal25
I don’t want yet another lefty in this rotation.
Led Hoyer
Tanner scott would be fantastic. I haven’t heard his name mentioned once with Cubs. They need a closer. Honestly, I’d love to see Ben brown in that role for a year. Limit his innings and ramp him up next year.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If Ben Brown is healthy, I could definitely see him in inning 8 or 9.
But if I get to choose, a more established arm would be nice.
tigerdoc616
Love and hate this for the Astros. Hate it as they likely are losing Bregman and two big bats out of their line up and will struggle some now competing in the AL West. Love it from the fact that they got Parades to replace Bregman at 3B and he is under team control for another 3 seasons. I get it from the Cubs standpoint, they are in a division that is up for grabs and this should help them against their competition.
El Kabong
From an AL West, it has to please the Rangers. It should also tell the Mariners to seize the moment by improving their offense.
drprofkevin
As a Rangers FAN, I LOVE THIS TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Sacramento A’s concur
SupremeZeus
Cubs just got a lot better for the 2025 season.
Moneyballer
I see the opposite. They have no 3rdbaseman!
CFS77
They have Shaw. He has been primarily a 3B for a year now.
Ptizzy
That’s a crowded outfield. Curious to see where Bellinger and Suzuki will be fitting/traded.
yukz
Probably both get traded soon… SP, RP and 3B are still holes they need to fill up
fathead0507
Move Busch to 3rd , Belli at 1st
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Happ can play better 3B defense than Busch, more likely Shaw or Hoerner at 3B
CFS77
It is going to be Shaw. Jed is not the type to sell his current and long term option and pull his pants down for the world to see.
Shaw is ready and a top 25 prospect.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Shaw will be at 3B or 2B on Opening Day unless he falls flat in spring training
revolver
They ain’t trading Suzuki
FenwayFanatic
Great deal. Wish my team could do deals like this
Correction: Would do deals like this
SODOMOJO
GOOD RIDDANCE!!
Thankful to get a Mariner killer out of our hair
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Yordan says Hello.
Larry D.
Bellinger trade to the Yankees in 3-2-1..
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Bucket Number Six
That’s a big price for the Cubs, but 5 WAR players aren’t available everyday. Who will play at 3B? Shaw will probably hit, but I don’t know about the arm or glove. Maybe they sign a pillow with someone after they trade Bellinger.
YourDreamGM
If he is healthy he will be worth more than 5.
Phree4u
Paredes was not good for the Cubs. His swing is not good for Wrigley. His defense is easily replaceable, and his bat is easily replaceable.
He is, however, a good fit for minute maid Park.
settledownitsjustagame
Parades never looked comfortable at Wrigley. Hayden was more miss than hit. Cam is a prospect that may or may not develop. This is a great move.
Led Hoyer
I agree. An extreme pull hitter and mediocre defense. Despite is poor showing in Wrigley he had a great approach at the plate. I bet he does well in Houston. Wesneski was probably going to be a middle relief bullpen arm. It all comes down to Cam. If he’s a stud and Tucker walks it will be a kick in the nards.
YourDreamGM
Cam looks to be fine with bat. Gotta tap into raw power potential. Defensive value is his problem.
kevinb
I just hope after trading Smith, the Cubs can get a decent return for Seiya and/or Bellinger
YourDreamGM
Jed traded older lesser players for incredible returns. Should be able to handle decent especially with these gms going crazy this year.
Datashark
LF: Happ
CF: PCA
RF: Tucker
Bellinger/Suzuki DH/OF platoon is 4D chess
Cubs just raised their priority for all teams that they need to move a player — their return will be lessened.
ryrockak
That’s my logic as well. Cubs have to hope that multiple teams become desperate to get Belli to up the return
Big whiffa
No one but the Yankees need and can afford bellinger. Cubs could not trade him prior bc they needed his bat in the lineup. Now the bats replaced and they’ll let him go for next to nothing.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Who in their right mind would be desperate to get Bellinger ?
Swingandamiss
Don’t forget, Bellinger can play 1B and Busch can play 3B at a no worse rate than Christopher Morel.
El Kabong
Busch cannot play 3B. Trust a Dodgers fan on this.
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El K
If you have seen Morel play 3B, his comment is plausible on that neither Morel nor Busch can play a competent 3B at the professional level
Datashark
They put him at 2B yet still lacked range (minors) – made less errors there, but 3B he is a huge liability even worse than Morel. face it – Cubs knew this at left at 1B
averagejoe15
Everyone saying Cubs need to trade Belli is ignoring that Busch was hardly better than Belli last year. Cubs can afford to go into 2025 with all the current OFs on the roster and split time. They would certainly be better served moving one of their OFs for an SP or replacement IF at 2nd or 3rd but they don’t need to.
Led Hoyer
If they keep Caissie and Alcantara in the minors, maybe. They have Canario too. They need to trade some guys.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Caissie, Ballesteros and Horton should be kept. Alcantara and Canario could be dangled for pitching
ron_karate
Suzuki to Dodgers next. Bye Teo!
Bucket Number Six
Then Roki will 100% sign with LA. Cubs wouldn’t do that.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Dodgers already have Yamamoto and Ohtani on LT deals. If it’s about most influential Japanese players on the team Sasaki is already going to the Dodgers. Having Suzuki would be a factor but still don’t know what Sasaki actually wants from his future team.
Suzuki is a nice option for the Dodgers if Teo doesn’t work out. Injury prone but a solid and consistent RH OF bat. Less pop than Teo but higher OBP. Hopefully this Tucker deal pushes Cubs to trade Suzuki.
El Kabong
As a Dodgers fan, I am uncomfortable with the idea of a multi-year deal for Teoscar. Pages, Rushing, and Suzuki sharing time in the corner OF spots would be my preference.
dkhits20
Hmm… Interesting. You might be right about that.
yukz
To the Tokio Dodgers?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If Suzuki goes to Dodgers, Cubs should insist on Jackson Ferris as part of the return
El Kabong
The Dodgers would walk away. They are not giving Ferris back to the Cubs.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dalton Rushing and Jackson Ferris for Suzuki and Hoerner and Alcantara
El Kabong
No thanks. I’d hang onto Rushing and Ferris. Hoerner and Alcantara aren’t needed and the other two are too much to pay for Suzuki.
angryyankeesfan1
Bellinger’s a Yankee. I’m cool with that. We probably weren’t giving up Gil, especially not after the WIlliams trade. Hopefully Tucker doesn’t sign an extension so we can get him next year.
Big whiffa
That will be cashmans golden moment of his career if it all plays out that way
Lalo says show me
I keep hearing bellinger to the yanks like it’s a given
What is cashman giving up
He doesn’t want to pay off any of the salary and cubs don’t have to move him
In fact, I wouldn’t move him after getting Tucker
Play him at 1b instead
angryyankeesfan1
The Cubs kinda do have to move Bellinger because where will he play? Busch is your 1b, and they reported wanted to trade him before acquiring Tucker.
Led Hoyer
Will Warren is likely who is coming back. I don’t get the move at all. Get creative and get something you actually need, like somebody who can close a baseball game.
ortsacnilrats
Personally don’t like this trade with no extension in hand. Cubs have a ways to go to be playoff relevant and this is more a move you make when you’re a serious contender. Which sadly I dont believe they are. Now I have no idea who plays third. That was a black hole last year as well.
BITA
Trade Bellinger for Castillo get a couple relievers and the Cubs are a legit contender.
YourDreamGM
Anyone can contend in central. Few more moves they could run away with it.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Seriously, would you give up Castillo for Bellinger ? Of course not, and neither would the Mariners.
BITA
Why would you think Castillo is so much better than Bellinger?
revolver
Shaw. That’s the entire point from the cubs perspective. Open up room for Shaw. Hoerner or Paredes were guaranteed to be moved this year. Astros just happened to make Tucker available.
Mikel Grady
Cubs are allowed to continue to trade and add free agents . Maybe wait and see how it ends
sultan of swat
Hopefully Tucker doesn’t miss 3 months again because of a bruised shin.
BITA
I saw the play where he got hurt. It was about as freak of an accident as you will ever see.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
It was a broken bone actually, but don’t let the facts get in your way.
HalosHeavenJJ
Cubs added an outfielder and payroll after saying they wanted to trade an outfielder to clear payroll.
I’m high on Cam Smith so I see this as a steal for Houston, but time will tell.
Rexhudler86
@halosheavenjj. I bet bellinger will be moved today. I’m hoping the angels get on it. Trade a couple relievers.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
What has Smith ever done to make you so excited ?
HalosHeavenJJ
He absolutely destroyed the ACC last year. Great control of the strike zone to go along with a quick swing with big power.
He was the guy I most wanted the Angels to draft last year as third base is a perpetual problem here.
We shall see, but Smith looks like a middle of the order bat for years to come. At least to me and many people I follow.
CubsAreMidButTheresAlwaysHope
Nice move by the Cubs. Paredes was nothing special, Wesnewski showed flashes of both brilliance and uselessness. But he’s still got time to figure it out, plus he’s a Houston native. Smith is the wild-card; will he turn out to be Mike Schmidt, or Gary Scott? Time will tell. Now the deck is cleared for Gabe Workman/Miles Mastrobuoni to be the opening day 3b while Matt Shaw gets a soft landing for the month of April. And, I’m betting that Hoyer has a deal in place for Bellinger with the Yankees that will be announced within hours.
BITA
Yeah I like the deal for the Cubs. They do have to sort out their outfield but they had the young talent to make a deal like this without selling the farm. Tucker is a really really good player he makes the Cubs favorites in the NL central.
YourDreamGM
Smith doesn’t look like much of a defender. Needs to tap into power. Someone you like to keep unless you can get a Tucker.
swanhenge
Omg, Gary Scott…!
Well played sir.
CubsAreMidButTheresAlwaysHope
Lol…I love to make me some obscure MLB player references!
holecamels35
I will get laughed at but why can’t the Pirates make a move like this? Actually acquire a very good hitter, not an old guy or someone on a rebound. Just go for it while you have the pitchers. Instead of spending 20m on garbage, just get a good player.
averagejoe15
Because acquiring 1 year of a very good hitter in a trade requires giving up talent and doesn’t make sense for them. They aren’t 1 hitter away from contention in 2025 and they have several spots they can improve on without making a consolidation trade like this one represents for the Cubs.
Cubs have a lot of 2-4 win players and needed a ceiling raiser. Pirates have a lot of 1-2 win players and need those players to either improve or be replace with better talent before a 1 year rental like Tucker would make sense.
Just look at the standings. The Cubs were 7 games better than the Pirates last year with some underperformance on the roster. They also had a +67 run differential to the Pirates -74. These rosters are in very different spots competitively. Just getting a good player for 1 year isn’t going to move the needle for the Pirates outside of some jersey sales.
holecamels35
Very well said.
Now while I do wish they would spend more, even to 100m dollars to get a nice core, I was entirely confused with Tucker. For some reason, I thought he was under a long term deal and the Astros just needed to shed payroll. Had no idea he’s on his last year. I agree, would not be optimal to trade for a player like that. Cubs are closer than the Pirates but they hung around last year with a bad offense and great pitching. If their pitching regresses a little, and they have even an average offense and bullpen, no reason they can’t hang around for the wild card.
YourDreamGM
Pirates can’t afford to extend Tucker and he likely won’t extend. Pirates don’t have a mlb 3b something Houston needs. Even if they had a 3b the prospect equivalent would be TJ and Ashcraft.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
For the Pirates, I like many years of Horwitz over one year of Tucker
Pirates could try to trade Keller for Bellinger, try to get Cubs to throw in some bucks (no pun intended)
Django
Astros probably needed to do this, but really gonna miss Tucker in Houston. And it looks like Bregman is gone, too.
YourDreamGM
Get a Paredes jersey.
northsidez
Looks like Gage Workman might have just gone from AA to starting 3rd base for the 2025 NL champs.
Tshelton
Terrible overpay for 1 year. Cubbies will not spend the money to lock him up, what a waste.
robert-5
Definitely my concern but none of those pieces looked to be particularly helpful to the Cubs in ‘25. They weren’t developing Wesneski and Paredes was terrible as a Cub.
If they manage to get an extension or if this gives them the inside track to match the best FA offer and they’re willing to spend big to keep him, it will be completely worth it.
Curious to see what’s next now that the Cubs will have 3 All-Star caliber RFs on the roster.
Big whiffa
Idk. How far do they have to go to make it worth it ? Plus they been drafting well so will pick at end of round 1 when he signs elsewhere. Plus Cubs have the 400 mil to pay Tucker.
Great haul by Houston but I still think cubs got off light
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If the Cubs win the division and get knocked out by a better team, I am still ok with the deal. If Shaw is at 3B, the Cubs still have lots of candidates for 1B and DH. I prefer Ballesteros 0r Caissie as the DH over Cam Smith.
The only question is whether trading Cam Smith for a young but not elite pitcher with multiple years of control would have been a better move.
Moonlight Graham
Unless the Astros see Paredes as a 1B, this would seem to telegraph that Bregman isn’t coming back.
BITA
That and getting Smith who is also a 3b all but guarantees Bregman is gone.
SeanStL
Smith will likely move to the OF at some point. Might work out long term for Houston.
YourDreamGM
Bregman never had much chance of coming back.
Big whiffa
He ain’t been coming back the whole time
good vibes only
Not an overpay. Cubs still have moves to make, don’t think they’re done here.
Tshelton
I would flip Tucker now.
Swingandamiss
Now go get Bregman, dump out on Bellinger for Luis Castillo and contend.
rmullig2
You need your head examined if you think Seattle is trading Castillo for Bellinger.
Led Hoyer
I think the cubs would have to sweeten the pot for sure. Offsetting contracts, it makes a lot sense. Bellinger is a really good player and sprays the ball.
YourDreamGM
There’s a trade to be made. Won’t be 1 for 1 but close enough to get talks going.
averagejoe15
I think they’d be better off going hard after Burnes and finding a 2b or 3b on the trade market. Nico could play either.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Nico and Belli for Castillo ?
Ma4170
That seems like a bad return for the Astros. Paredes is just okay. Lot of faith in Wisniewski and Smith I guess. Doesn’t compare to the Soto return last year.
YourDreamGM
It’s weak for sure
ryrockak
Uncle Mike is going to cry
Bucket Number Six
He is hugging all the other prospects right now
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Uncle Mike is already at the bar crying in his beer
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I don’t see why. Shaw is the 3B. Caissie is a corner outfielder in 2026. Ballesteros is the DH in 2026. Cam Smith was insurance if Shaw or Busch flop.
I had far greater regret in trading Jackson Ferris for Michael Busch. And at the time, I did not realize how good the guy was that the Cubs sent along with Ferris.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Uncle Mike really hated this trade for some reason. I don’t think he understands who Kyle Tucker is exactly. He’s the difference maker that gets them to the postseason.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They will have Caissie ready in 2026 to replace Tucker. They will have Shaw at 3B. As long as Busch or PCA do not regress, they do not need Cam Smith. Ballesteros can DH when Suzuki and Belli are both gone. Catcher and closer are the weak links remaining.
Mynameisnoname
Yankees chose to go with a Cortes base for Devin instead of a Gil base for Tucker from the SP surplus. We’ll see how that shakes out.
Cubbies kept Shaw and still have Suzuki as a trade chip. Solid job for the rental, outstanding if they can somehow pull an extension.
Salzilla
In light of said Williams deal, I’m good with it. I was all for Gil + for Tucker, but once Cortes went I knew we must have been out on Tucker and I’m fine with that. Keeping the ROY with control and more upside is a win–though who knows if something else will be in the works.
For now though, all good.
Uhh ok
When the Astros have to ‘right size the business’ you know baseball is broken.
onthebucks
Looks like the Phils blew a golden opportunity by not signing Tucker. It also looks like the Cubs are flush with outfielders and ready to deal a few. The Cubs should consider trading Bellinger and Suzuki to the Phils for Schwarber and Walker. This would upgrade the Cubs’ DH and provide a quality starter who may just need a change of scenery to get his game back on track. It would solve the Phils’ outfield problems and possibly open up an additional line of communication to facilitate the acquisition of free agent pitcher Sasaki.
BITA
That’s probably a fair trade and makes sense for both teams.
Bucket Number Six
You just want to get rid of Walker.
onthebucks
bucket, The Phils will have no problem trading Walker. He’s still a quality starter who only needs a change of scenery and more gratitude than the Phils have shown him. I would like to see Schwarber traded because the Phils would be much better with a DH-by-committee (Harper, Realmuto, Turner, Castellanos, Bohm, Sosa, etc.) than they are with a $20 million-a-year player who can’t play any defensive position reliably, thwarts their running game when he gets on base, always has a low batting average, strikes out more than 99% of the players in MLB, and is a free agent after 2025. Schwartber began his career with the Cubs and undoubtedly still has a following that would like to see him return to Chicago. I paired Schwarber with Walker because the salaries sort of match those of Bellinger and Suzuki.
BITA
Yeah I think it makes a ton of sense. Suzuki doesn’t want to DH that’s not a problem with Schwarber that’s where he belongs. Bellinfer can play some center for the Phillies which is a need. The Cubs need another starter too.
onthebucks
bita, I’ve got to wonder if the Astros know something about Tucker’s health the other teams don’t. I always wanted to see the Phils acquire him, but there’s been something strange about the way the Astro’s have handled his trade availability. I’ve got to think other teams offered the Astros more than they’ll be receiving from the Cubs. But who knows? Maybe everything is on the level and the Astros are just trying to pinch pennies in hopes of outbidding everyone else for Bregman.
BITA
I think the Cubs offer is unique and therefore would have been tough to match.
As for what the Astros are thinking it’s hard to say right now. This clearly decreases their chances of winning in 2025. I can’t believe they are worried Tucker won’t get back to 100%.
onthebucks
bita, Good point about the Cubs needing another starter. Walker makes perfect sense for them, and trading him now makes perfect sense for the Phillies. The Phils can replace Walker with Painter right now or, if they acquire Suzuki and he helps with recruiting, they may able to acquire Sasaki who, after Soto, may represent the biggest prize in the current offseason.
revolver
Lol.
johncal25
If the Cubs would even consider taking on Walkers albatross of a contract the Phillies would need to include a significant amount of money and a prospect
MLB Top 100 Commenter
On the bucks
Hate that trade for Cubs. Don’t want Walker and Ballesteros can DH in 2026.
onthebucks
Top 100, There’s not much to really like about a one-year rental, especially when it costs as many players as the Cubs traded. But who knows? Tucker may learn to like deep-dish pizza and decide to settle in Chicago, and the players moving to Houston may make the Astros stronger. Walker has a lot more in the tank than people realize. Philly’s not the town for him, especially since he was embarrassed by not being used a single time in the 2023 playoffs. Ballesteros may be able to DH in 2026, but the Cubs don’t have anybody better than Schwarber to DH in 2025.
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Onthebucks
No, I was not saying that I hate the trade for Tucker. I like that trade.
What I hate was your proposal of Belli and Suzuki for Schwarber and Walker.
capone14
Good deal for the cubs ??? Nope stupid giving up Cam will come back to bite them
Big whiffa
Not if they are able to keep Tucker long term
mike127
Capone—-sooner or later that is going to happen, but we sit here seven years later and more and still waiting on Gleybar, or Cease, or Eloy to prepare their induction speeches. Any first round (or any) pick can come back to bite them….but usually, almost never do.
Jake1972
No, this was a great trade for the Cubs.
Cam had no place to play with Shaw.
YourDreamGM
Cam might not stick at 3b. Might not stick in outfield. Might be 1b
.
Jump 84
Buckle up Cubs nation gonna be a fun summer and October. Probably not done.
I Want to Believe
So if Houston has Paredes for 3B, they won’t be needing Bregman’s services any longer. Welcome to Detroit, Alex!
larkraxm
I hope he goes to Detroit. I would hate it if the Yankees added that little idiot.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Yes, he doesn’t make enough errors to fit in the Yankees infield.
larkraxm
He is also a cheater who will be pelted with D batteries in Yankee Stadium daily, and those are expensive.
Pads Fans
Hoyer didn’t value Smith as much as Cubs fans did in sending him to the Astros for Tucker who has already said he will not sign an extension.
Led Hoyer
Theo and now Hoyer are great at finding value Bats in the draft. They suck at finding pitching.
YourDreamGM
Hoyer smarter than Cubs fans although I seen a lot of Cubs fans happy with this trade.
dasit
not sure why people keep mentioning an extension. after the soto sweepstakes tucker would be insane not to go to free agency
Led Hoyer
The cubs know the market now. If they offer a good enough deal, I bet he strongly considers it. He’s not getting Soto aav.
Pads Fans
People are mentioning it because its relevant. Tucker has already said he wont sign one.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It depends on the money. If the Nationals had offered Soto 15 years and 600K, he would have taken it. Soto was lucky that the market got better for him.
unglar
If there isn’t a follow up trade of Tucker and Bellinger to the Yankees, Cashman really screwed up losing the best bat available.
Moneyballer
Incredible deal!!!…..for the astros.
dano62
No concerns about tucker’s injury? Sure hope it doesn’t turn into boxjackson disease…
NoNeckWilliams
This will only be a good deal for the Cubs if they extend Tucker.
Salzilla
Congratulations to the Cubs, they had what Houston needed and weren’t afraid to use those assets.
I wonder though who plays 3b for the Cubs now, though? Could the Yanks possibly get them to take by DJLM for taking Bellinger’s full salary.
Salzilla
***I somehow forgot about Matt Shaw, still they’ll need a handcuff if he can’t cut it.
revolver
Shaw. That’s why they offered Paredes. Had to clear ab’s for him somehow.
alwaysgo4two
That’s probably the end of Bregmans time with the Astros. Paredes is a 3rd, or second baseman and we know who’s at 2nd. Paredes swing is built for that park.
KamKid
Great move by the Cubs.
Astros? Paredes is a Bregman clone. Does this close the door on that reunion too?
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
The Cubs had 7 position players in the top 10 prospects, most of them at AAA and AA. They can’t find room on the 13 position player roster for all of them in the next two years. Meanwhile, Paredes is replaceable because he’s useless at Wrigley when the wind is blowing in. Give Shaw the everyday job at 3B and bat him 7th and get going.
The Natural
Many posters here dontrealize how Wrigley played last year; and who is to say it won’t continue to?
Only T-Mobile was friendlier to pitchers in 2024. Paredes’ game plays perfectly in Houston, but not in last year’s Wrigley. Give me line drive hitters like Tucker and Shaw to marry with Seiya and Hoerner.
Don’t be shocked to see Yoan Moncada sign a pillow contract to pair with Shaw. They also snagged Gage Workman in the rule 5 as a lefty who plays 3B and runs very well.
Hoyer isn’t done yet. It will be interesting to see how much they pay down Bellinger’s contract to improve the return from the Yankees.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I would be stunned to see Moncada. Whether it was some sort of illness or not, he looked like he just didn’t give a bleep the last two years and I don’t think they want that in their clubhouse.
bwmiller79
Great trade for the Astros, they solved both their high dollar free agency dilemmas, sending Tucker out of town and adding a pair of third baseman, all but guaranteeing Bregman won’t be resigned.
Unsure what there plans will be to resolve their outfield, it was soft with Tucker in the fold. Altuve, Alvarez, Parades, Diaz and Pena is a decent group but don’t see much production coming from the bottom half of the Astros lineup.
The pitching looks good, Valdez/Brown/Garcia/Verlander/McCullers Jr., can move both Arrighetti and Blanco to the pen if you resign JV and McCullers finds a way back from injury.
Astros look a little choppy in ’25 but likely a good move for them passing on a long term deal with both Tucker and Bregman.
YourDreamGM
Smith perfect for Houston LF. Might not stick at 3b.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He is in AA for heaven’s sake. He is a couple of years away from the majors…if he even makes it.
BigGargamel
Cubs basically turned Christopher Morel and a prospect into Kyle Tucker. Hard to be mad at that as a Cubs fan. The Central is wide open.
Led Hoyer
I agree. This deal wouldn’t get done if it was Morel instead of Paredes.
Bucket Number Six
Cam Smith should be a good player in three years. He’s the wild card in this trade.
YourDreamGM
QO pick will kinda replace Smith. Will have to go HS instead of college.
Baseball Babe
Don’t forget about the nationals! After all, they signed Konnor Pilkington today. World Series or bust!
Outfieldflyrule??
One and done for Tucker. Cubs need to make something happen in ’25. Good move for the Astros. I guess Valdez is next.
Begottenson
I love tucker maybe too much , I always wanted him to be an Yankee
SFGRab
Wait one year and he probably will be.
TAKERDBACKS
Definitely like Issac on Houston.
yick04
It’s a hefty price tag but Tucker is a top 10 player in the league. If they can extend him, this is an easy win for the Cubs. Otherwise, time will tell.
brood550
Barring a QO return when Tucker hits FA the Cubs could’ve DFA’d all players involved on their side of the trade and been in the same shape for 2026. This trade does nothing for the Cubs but unload a top prospect and players with multiple years of team control.
SeanStL
Good for both teams. Cubs better keep Bellinger. They will get to start PCA and Shaw, and now have established hitters with solid defense. Pitching is better than average. Should be a competitive team and have $20 million to spend, I believe.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Where exactly is Bellinger going to play?
VonPurpleHayes
That’s a decent haul for 1 season of Tucker.
dasit
that’s a great haul. yankees never had a chance
brood550
No kidding. For being drafted in 2024, Smith had already climbed to AA. And was on pace to possibly start 2025 at AAA already. Stats show he has a good feel for the strike zone, just hasn’t gotten to his power.
dasit
6’3” 220lbs + crawford boxes = he’ll be fine 😉
brood550
Yeah, I don’t doubt it. Cubs s#%t the bed on this trade.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He won’t be seeing the Crawford boxes any time soon.
bagofballs
Yankee fans thought they were going to get him. Maybe the Cubbies can dump Bellinger on them now.
dasit
ex-yankee wesneski in the deal (insert lion king circle of life gif)
Schlootle
So as an Astros fan I absolutely hate to see Tucker leave. But if we are to be honest, there is no WAY the Astros were going to keep Tucker after next year. He will get at least $300 million and absolutely deserve it. Now the Astros have Paredes who is a pull hitter akin to Bregman with 3 years of control and also is considerably cheap all things considered. The pitcher they got was widely in the talks of having the best potential “stuff” in their pitching department, and also getting a top 100 prospect is something the Astros haven’t had in a while. Short term I am sad, but I know in the long run it will overall be better
SeanStL
Wesneski is not good. He will look good and then blow the game. Constantly letting the team down. Good luck!
Seamaholic
He’s a throw in. Cubs just gave away their highest ceiling prospect so they can have a better right fielder for one year.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Houston pitching coaches have fixed more pitchers than you can imagine. Kikuchi was their most recent success.
YourDreamGM
D for Houston. Lost elite player. I like Smith but they could have got a comp pick that would be close enough. Got a well above average 3b for few years. Upside arm. Already ok but could be better with right coach. Better off rolling with Tucker give him QO. Sign a reliever. It’s a fair trade. D is a win. D for disappointing return. Needed to get lil better prospect or ditch reliever for a another prospect.
A Chicago. They got a stud. And gave up nothing that’s not easily replaced. Should have cost a better prospect. Wesneski wasn’t doing it for them so little value other than trade chip.
Schlootle
I think this is actually good for Houston, not for 2025 obviously though. Astros were put into a very bad spot with the Montero and Abreu contracts basically putting them $30 million down in wasted money. Paredes is a good 3B who can also potentially play 1B should the Astros resign Bregman. This will free up $10 million. Astros also have a dogshit farm system so getting a top 100 is a big plus. The pitcher has potential, and the Astros are a franchise known for pitching development so we will have to see. Paredes has 3 years of team control left which is the biggest thing.
YourDreamGM
For Mookie Sox got Verdugo who similar value to Paredes and I believe 2 more years so more value actually. Top 100 as well. And Wong. But Mookie cost more $ and a big and dumped David Price on them. Soto got King who was much more valuable than Paredes. And a prospect some gms believed good enough to headline a Cease trade. Again Soto more $. Tucker just as good and cheaper. And it’s a much more expensive market. Never been a better time to be a seller than the year 2024. Houston did just well enough to make the trade. Solid 3b for 3 years. Ok reliever with ability to be better. A mid 1st round pick. It’s enough to make the trade. Just a lil light to me.
Seamaholic
Tucker is only a Cub for one year most likely. He’ll be the #1 free agent on the market next year (or second to Vladdy).
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He is way more valuable than Vlad.
DrDick
But the Cubs don’t need an outfielder. They need pitching and now a 3B.
ClevelandSteelEngines
isn’t that what they’ll get from a Bellinger or Suzuki trade?
CFS77
They have Shaw. He has been playing 3B for a year now and on team USA.
I still believe they should trade Suzuki to SD for Cease. Flip them a prospect and be done with it. Then get into Pete Alonso’s market for a DH after kicking Cody to the Curb
Seamaholic
That would have to be a helluva prospect.
CFS77
I would put any prospect except Shaw. PCA no touchy
I would push Wicks but would go up to Horton.
YourDreamGM
Cfs is on Shaw. I agree. Doesn’t even have to be good. Tucker production will carry him.
CFS77
Happ LF
Shaw 3B
Tucker RF
Suzuki DH
Busch 1B
Swanson SS
PCA CF
Hoerner 2B
Kelly/Amaya C
Hoerner was great batting behind PCA. Contact plus speed sells.
Shaw has a high ceiling and you really want to protect him in his first year.
Led Hoyer
Cubs needed a super star. Matt Shaw to third
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
They need to give Luis Vazquez a chance at 3rd. He’s an elite defender.
johncoltrane
Houston got fleeced
Seamaholic
Hardly. Tucker has one year left and has said repeatedly he wants to test the market. Cubs cannot outbid the superteams. They’ll have him for one season and he’s maybe — maybe — two wins better than Paredes.
Captain K-Midd
Chicago better start selling some more chewing gum if they don’t want to get outbid next year
YourDreamGM
Is he only 2 wins better or so much better there is a bidding war cubs can’t compete in. Guy looks like a 40 40 guy about to get 500m. Paredes just a guy.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Two wins better than Paredes ?? Are you kidding.? His numbers are comparable to Soto plus he is a gold glove fielder with a strong arm.
Bobcastelliniscat
The Reds might as well start their next rebuild. Elly Del La Cruz anyone?
Jake1972
Wow!
Great trade for both teams…
I love this trade!
Jake1972
Shaw is their 3rd Baseman.
I agree about pitching.
mbart33
Who is going to play third for cubbies- shaw?
fred-3
Houston got fleeced like Boston did for Mookie
SadMsFan
Great move for the Cubs! An absolute steal! I’m so glad Tucker is out of the American League West! Thank you Houston! lol
Baseball_dude
Anybody could have acquired Tucker for that return.. yikes
Schlootle
Its only 1 year for Tucker. Not actually a bad return for someone they werent going to keep anyways.
Seamaholic
It’s a fantastic return. Cam’s ceiling is perennial all-star. He’s that talented. And Paredes is a damn fine player too. Perfectly suited to Houston, many years of control, only 25.
This is a HUGE win for Houston unless Chicago outbids the world to keep Tucker next year, which they won’t and would reduce his marginal value to below zero if they did.
YourDreamGM
Anybody doesn’t have a spare above average 3b to trade.
hopper15
Only having to give up one top prospect for Tucker is a win for the Cubs.
Seamaholic
For one year of Tucker.
hopper15
You don’t know that. He could like it there and end up staying.
Seamaholic
He’s said repeatedly he wants to test the market. They’ll have to outbid everyone looking for a middle of the order bat next year. That could include the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers easily.
hopper15
The Cubs are in a big market last time I checked. If they want to spend they easily can.
Moneyballer
The pressure to win in chicago must be pretty high right now for Jed. He’s in “burns the ships” mode with this deal. Quick question…aside from a corresponding move…who plays 3rd for the Cubs?!
Seamaholic
Matt Shaw. They must think he’s ready.
Moneyballer
If it was always going to be Matt Shaw – why did they deal Morel for Paredes? Then draft Cam Smith?! Makes not sense. Well good luck to them cuz if this is a 1 year smell ya later Kyle Tucker arrangement then the next trade they should make is Jed Hoyer for a box of mint meltaways!
Ma4170
Well they could trade tucker at deadline if theyre only borderline in the playoff chase
YourDreamGM
Jed should be safe. Built the farm system up. Easily won this trade.
Jake1972
Shaw
Led Hoyer
Burn the ship? He traded one prospect. Matt Shaw was getting into the lineup one way or another. It was Paredes or Nico gone. This is probably going to work out better. Paredes wasn’t great at third.
Moneyballer
Admit that the Morel trade and Cam Smith selection now make no sense. Jed is garbage and he’s just winging it at this point!
Led Hoyer
Morel was a dh. They traded him for a young controllable third baseman and flipped him for a super star. I have my gripes with hoyer. This certainly isn’t one of them.
Ma4170
Exactly, they traded one of their 7 top 100s. Plenty of talent left
bigdaddyyardstick
I think the yanks dropped the ball here.. Gil had an insane first half and his second half again imo is probably closer to what he actually is as a player.. hard thrower with no regard for location or accuracy .. in a year and a half he’ll prob be dealt for junk and no one will remember him.. remember angular and Sanchez were nearly ROY and look what happened.. injuries and the league caught up.. Gil won ROY in a weak rookie class .: I don’t foresee this being the right trade for the yanks .. again no guarantee Tucker stays long term.. but you know what Tucker is and he would be a good Soto replacement in the outfield.. better defender and base runner .. less home runs and obp.. we don’t know what Gil is and with the Yankees track record of not being able to develop pitchers .. a non proven commodity is a high risk on a win now team trying to bounce back from an embarrassing World Series loss
DroppedThirdStrike
Years of control of a starting pitcher is worth way more than 1 year of almost anybody
BronxBombers23
It’s probably safe to say that the Yankees will acquire Bellinger and maybe Hoerner.
WSnotAstros2017
Sad to see Tucker go but I understand the move. On Bregman will be hard to see him go but he is older. Tucker will command a huge salary after this year. Crane is not one that wants to go over the Luxury Tax lines. Not a lot of teams can. Yankees, Boston, Mets, Dodgers seem to be strong ones that do.
But outfield now for Houston is a disaster. Yordan is not great in outfield. Yes he can play but those great plays Meyers can make them but no offense. Chas not good either. He had one decent season. Houston needs to look for outfield. This pitcher not sure on him even with all our unknowns with starters. Brown, Blanco, Arrighetti. If Framber is up for grabs and McCullers, Javier, France, Garcia are all still hurt as Javier and France probably would be late in Season. McCullers need to dump. Garcia has not started anything yet to work his arm up or anything. So if Framber goes
Also this Brice Matthews is he outfield I forgot but doubt is ready yet.
First base not sure what we do. Caratini and Singleton and Dezenzo. think may be our mix.
But we shall see if any other moves for Astros between now and February when have to report to Florida. But I do wish Tucker well for this year in Chicago.
I still think Bregman is gone with this move.
I also wonder if Astros will send Pressly out.
But hope Tucker is good for the Cubs and to the Cubbie fans take care of him.
cooperhill
Framber is headed to Baltimore.
BITA
How about this
Bellinger
Suzuki
Wicks
For
Castillo
Haniger
Robles
radhippo
Doubt cubs are dealing both Bellinger and Suzuki. 1 I can see for sure.
Maybe Bellinger and Wicks for Castillo.
BITA
They would get 2 outfielders back. Robles is a good fit as a 4th outfielder and Haniger can take up space until Cassie or Alcantara is ready.
kenly0
Where are those Astros fans that said the Cubs would have to give 3 of their top 5 prospects? I do hate that they gave both of Smith and Parades. I would have preferred one of the OF prospects instead of one of them.
mlbnyyfan
Very underwhelming return for houston. Gil is better than Hayden and Spencer Jones better than the other two.
YankeesAreDodgersEast
Laughable take. Astros got a top prospect, guy had an ops of 1.000 and was first round pick, for 1 year rental that they weren’t re signing anyway.
Ma4170
Not a fan of paredes. He’s produced decent numbers so far, but the underlying contact rates are weak. I could see him be very underwhelming. Smith is a nice get. Wesneski is.. okay
radhippo
Paredes is nothing special. The Cubs destroyed the Azzfuqs in this deal!
Raymond Flagstaff
Astros headed back to being a trash team after all the high picks from sandbagging and cheating their way to the top
radhippo
I hope so! May they rot for the next century!
Lindor's Bodyguard
The entire franchise or just the cheaters?
cooperhill
The Michigan Wolverine way!!!
GangGreen23
“The club aggressively tanked last decade, using high draft picks to select players like George Springer, Carlos Correa, Lance McCullers Jr. and others.”
Others being Stanford RHP Mark Appel, first pick in the 2013 Draft.
extreme113
Springer, Correa and McCullers were drafted by Bobby Heck before Lenhow started to tank. But Lenhow did draft Appel.
Degaz
Wow…..massive overpay for 1 year of Tucker. Paredes alone could be just as good as Tucker next year and is controlled for 3 years. then you a dd a solid arm and a former First Round draft pick??? Wow…LOL Cubs
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Paredes as good as Tucker ? You obviously haven’t checked his numbers. Tucker has a better OPS than Soto and is a Gold Glove fielder.
YourDreamGM
Where do they find these guys?
radhippo
Hahahahahahahaha! Paredes is not Tucker, not even remotely close!!
cinredsfan
Win now trade.
This one comes back to haunt the Cubs if Tucker leaves as a FA after only 1 season.
Massive overpay I’d say in the long run.
ATLbravos
thats alot for a one year rental, which makes absolutley no sense for a team that needs a rebuild and if not mistaken had a losing season
Baseball Purist
Cubs were 83-79 the past two seasons. They have a lineup full of “good” hitters, but lacked star power. Tucker in the middle of the already “good” lineup, makes them very formidable in the NL Central.
The Brewers have lost Adames, and Devin Williams.. Cardinals are in a rebuild, and Pirates have potential but plenty of wholes. Not sure what to expect from the Reds again.
Led Hoyer
A rebuild? They missed the playoffs two years in a row by a couple games. They have a top 5 farm. They have no horrible contracts. They have a very good rotation. I think the plan is to start winning now.
radhippo
You really think that’s all they’re going to do? Good lort, relax
warnbeeb
Isaac Paredes was given away for Austin Meadows who made $8-9 million from the Tigers, and maybe, played 50 games.
Paredes should be the Tiger’s 3rd baseman these days. Just another great Al Avila move….a gift that just keeps on giving.
radhippo
And he’d be an avg at best 3b. Why are you crying over this? He’s nothing special
sgtschultz
They are still going to suck like every year
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I think the Cubs payed very steeply for one year of Tucker who will likely be a $400m player next year.
The Astros got an excellent player in Paredes who can play 3rd, a starting pitcher plus the Cubs first round pick in 2024.. Nobody was going to top that.
It is a bold win now move for the Cubbies but they paid a steep price in my opinion.
thomasg1951
Tucker will have a great year before being a free agent.
YourDreamGM
Cubs got off easy. Easy trade to do. Had to say yes.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Interesting take. From an Astros fan point of view, I think the Cubs won this trade easily.
radhippo
If he turns out to be a 400mil player, that means he had a huge year and the cubs destroyed the Astros in the deal. Why are you crying when they’re trying to win?
cooperhill
LMFAO !
Jake1972
The pitcher your team obtained is a AAAA Pitcher, so not a win there.
The 3rd basemen is not the best either but serviceable.
Smith might be the prize in this trade but if Tucker delivers then it is a win for the Cubs.
midway_monster85
I don’t mind paying this or even more than what they paid for Kyle Tucker as long as they re sign him. The cubs organization is a large market financially top 5 in baseball, and have yet to dabble into the 200 million range, so to think they will pay the 3,4,500 million whatever it will take to sign Kyle Tucker is a pipe dream. 4 years of control on Perades and at least 7 on Cam for cubs fans sake I hope this years is when they finally choose to break that mold.
AC Surf Baseball
The Phillies offered them Bohm, Castellanos & Abel for Tucker & Pressly. They shoulda took that deal, woulda saved them approx. 7 million this season, gave them a suitable RF to replace Tucker and the corner INF’er they desperately need. Plus a shot in the arm to their farm system. Oh well ♂️
onthebucks
og, Are you sure the Phillies really made that offer? There’s much in the news that would suggest otherwise. GM Dombrowski has publicly said Bohm was going nowhere and manager Thomson publicly stated the Phils were not trading Bohm. What cinches the deal is the fact the Astros were only trying to trade Tucker to save the money for their planned resigning of Bregman. If they were planning to resign Bregman, why would they need Bohm? What’s more, if they were only trading Tucker as a salary shedding measure, why would they take on Castellanos who will be making $20 million a year for the next two years? There’s little chance the Phils would trade Bohm, Castellanos and Abel in one trade for one player. I seem to recall a recent story online that mentioned this trade as a possibility, rather than a done deal.
CFS77
Sounds like a butt hurt fan pissed.
Lalo says show me
Where did you see that? Also, why would Houston, not looking to add payroll, take on castellanos dead weight contract.
Led Hoyer
Cubs traded them 3 contracts with surplus value. Adding Castellanos makes that a pretty crappy deal. Is Bohm even better than Paredes?
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Why would the Astros want to trade Tucker for Phillies second raters ?
Lindor's Bodyguard
*Overpaid bad contract second raters. Castellanos
YaGottaBelieveAgain
HOU didn’t value those players as much as the players they got in the CUB deal.
HOU is trying to lower payroll, they don’t want Castellanos he would be a short term fix, he is older, below average defensively and has a hefty contract. Bohm is a complementary player who also has defensive issues and he might have a reputation/attitude teams want to stay away from.
I think there is more than a 70% chance HOU trades both Framber and Pressley (with some $ 3M?) now
Probably not together but maybe.
I definitely think HOU has moved on from Bregman and believe he will sign with DET which should work out well for team and player. Alex has to accept $180M or he will have to find another team.
TOR maybe. I don’t think he signs with NYY or NYM.
Possibly PHI if they trade Bohm and Suarez
sportingdissent
Cubs fill a hole they don’t have in the outfield by creating two more holes. I get that Tucker is a good player – better than their current options – but trading for a year of an outfielder when you have your outfield filled makes no sense. It makes less sense when you trade away a young, controllable third baseman and pitcher. It makes absolutely no sense now that you’ve pretty much told the world you have to trade Bellinger to fill your roster holes, when Bellinger already has negative value due to his bloated contract for the next two seasons versus his lack of production. It’ll be interesting to see how much of that deal they’ll have to eat over the next two years just to get a piece back. Probably more than 75%.
radhippo
Tucker is immediately the best player on the cubs and you’re crying??
PutPeteinthehall
They don’t need to eat anything. Suzuki to DH Bellinger mans first. Busch and rule five pickup Bowman on third. All of a sudden there is some firepower.
thomasg1951
Astros finally got something for a player that was going to leave. Not like Correa, Cole and Bregman.
radhippo
They got embarrassed
MPrck
Great deal for Houston.
outinleftfield
I think so too. Smith is going to be a stud and Paredes is Bregman-lite. He will fill in ably until Smith is ready in 2026. Wesneski strengthens the Astros bullpen. Now they need to find an OF because Alvarez will not hold up for a full season out there.
radhippo
Ha!!! No chance! The cubs destroyed the Asscheats in this deal!
outinleftfield
The Cubs received a VERY good OF that: they didn’t need, that will be a FA at the end of 2025, and that was injured more than half of last season for a starting 3B whose stats show he will be even better playing in Houston’s ballpark, a decent swingman/5th starter, and a top 100 prospect that will be the starting 3B in Houston as soon as the start of 2026. The Astros got a huge return for Tucker.
outinleftfield
Tucker is a great player, but the Cubs didn’t have a need in the OF unless they are trading Suzuki. Bellinger didn’t really factor in the OF, so trading him won’t matter much.
Giving up Wesneski was not a big deal, he is a swingman, but Paredes was supposed to be the Cubs starting 3B so that opens up a hole in the roster.
Paredes is a 25 year old Bregman-lite and Cam Smith is going to be Bregman’s long term replacement in Houston once he is called up in late 2025 or early 2026.
I don’t understand this trade from the Cubs end, but Tucker will be great for them and the Astros scored big time with 3 years of Paredes and Smith probably ready to take over for him in 2026.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Paredes will fit quite well but Wesneski will need to prove himself, and I don’t get the Cubs’ excitement in Smith. The guy has barely played a handful of games in AA and each time he has been promoted from A to A+ to AA his numbers have gone down. I don’t see anything special there.
Cubs clearly won this trade, but with Dana Brown as GM we had to expect that.
outinleftfield
If you don’t see what to be excited about, you are not paying attention. He was drafted in JULY of 2024 and got to AA before the end of the minor league season that ended in September. In those 2 months and 115 PA he hit .313/.396/.609/1.004 in the first time he had ever seen professional pitching. He is already the #73 prospect in baseball. YouTube has lots of videos. Go watch a few. You will see why people are excited.
radhippo
Cubs just had their way with the Astros!!! As an Angels fan I love this move!!
outinleftfield
As an Angels fan I am terrified because Paredes has hit .323/.427/.581/1.007 against us and now he plays in a ballpark that fits his pull happy swing perfectly. By comparison Bregman hit .286/.388/.500/.888 against the Angels.
Stop embarrassing Angels fans with comments like the last few.
radhippo
Hahahhahahahahaha!!!
outinleftfield
Good bye. I have no time for idiots.
FartJesus
Sarah Lang with the useless ESPn style stat like he could play all his games in his home stadium by assuming away games don’t exist.
And if he played in a little league stadium for every game, he would have hit 300 HRs.
carlos15
So they chose Bregman over Tucker, despite Tucker being 2 years younger and getting better every year squarely in his prime while Bregman has been clearly in his decline for 2 years and is 2 years older. Doesn’t seem wise.
extreme113
Springer was drafted under the Ed Wade regime.
NYG4246
Why would Houston trade him? Do they think he’s done? I don’t get this. Great for the cubs. They can either leverage bellinger or pair him with Tucker in the OF.
JoeBrady
NYG4246
Why would Houston trade him?
========================
2025 Paredes @ 3rd, Wesneski a #6
2026-27 Paredes @ 1st and Smith @ 3rd, and Wes #6
2028-31
There is some projection involved but that covers a lot of innings in return for one year of an excellent Tucker.
YourDreamGM
You trade players before free agency to reload and keep contending if the return makes sense.
JoeBrady
I like the Houston side a lot. 3 years of a 3 bWAR Paredes for one year of a 5.5 bWAR Tucker, plus 5 years of Wesneski, and 6 years of Smith?
It’s seems pretty difficult to see how the Cubs are going to come out ahead.
In addition, it makes me wonder why they traded for Paredes in the first place. It’s like they threw in two guys that will likely be good RPs or better, for nothing. And how badly did they need another RF to start with? Suzuki had a pretty good year. Not as good as Tucker, but I doubt they are getting 3 more wins, if that.
YourDreamGM
Its much much easier to get 3 war players than 5 war players. And 5 war for Tucker is a weak year. He has mvp contender talent.
outinleftfield
Tucker
2021 – 5.7 WAR
2022 – 5.4 WAR
2023 – 5.4 WAR
2024 – 4.7 WAR
A 5 WAR season is what Tucker produces.
Greenmachinelickitclean
He will sign with cubs his old lady is from Chicago
YourDreamGM
Or he will sign wherever he can make the most $
rememberthecoop
Of course. Cubs won’t sign anyone to a 400M contract. It’s a,one-year move designed to save Hoyer’s job.
ChiSoxCity
Typical Chicago/Cubbie move. Overpay to get a guy with a year left on his current contract. Cubs fans are easy—they’ll get excited. Then Tucker will leave during the offseason next year, and the Cubs will take two steps back. They’d rather rely on young/unproven players than pay proven studs like Tucker long term. If I’m proven wrong, I’ll eat the crow. But I’ve been a Chicago sports fan long enough to know how these teams operate. Winning is not the priority in Chicago-town.
YourDreamGM
No over pay. They easily won. Traded things that are easily replaced. Quantity for quality. Next year they might have prospects ready or simply make another trade.
ChiSoxCity
It is an overpay for a year rental they have no intention of committing to long term. Seen this many times here. It is the nature of reality in this town. All the teams operate like they’re broke and struggling to keep the lights on. It’s ridiculous. Cubs fans need to wake up.
rememberthecoop
Typical Sox fan overreaction. It takes time to judge a trade. Cam Smith might be an all-star someday or a bust. Nobody knows. But it’s a win-now move as Hoyer tries to save his job.
Cottonheadjoe
Could Michael Busch slide over to 3rd, Bellinger at first and have Happ, PCA & Tucker in the OF with Seiya DH? That would be a solid lineup, if Busch could handle third if Shaw isn’t ready.
cooperhill
Don’t forget Bellinger batted .160 just 3 years ago!
whyhayzee
George Scott once batted .171, and hit 3 home runs in 350 at bats, but still won the gold glove.
Citizen1
The rumor was the cubs are going to trade a top outfielder not on the market for an outfielder. Tucker should play well at wrigley, especially in the walk year. Hoyer must be think the cubs can sign Tucker to an extension if not trade at the deadline depending on the standing or put a qo and prospect if Tucker walks however hoyer strikes out as prospects take time to develop, they just traded a good one.
lowtalker1
Doing what they can do to resign Bergman
cooperhill
Bregman, you mean?
cooperhill
Old news AGAIN, they repost these like it’s something new, because they have no real news to report!
gregorydefelice
What year and round were the trash cans drafted? Now coming out of Lowe’s University out of Aisle #11, Hefty Cheats
Captainmike1
The cubs got screwed badly
That’s why they are a loser team with a loser GM
GarryHarris
What?
Citizen1
Hoyer is doing his best to repeat the Lou Brock trade
GarryHarris
The Astros are moving on from Alex Bregman. Isaac Paredes covers 3B-1B while Cam Smith is a hopeful future 3B.
philliesfan215
Bummer. Really thought the Phillies should have/would have been in on this more. He’s exactly who we needed.
JackStrawb
Would have been a great pickup, but the price tag was far too high: three seasons of a 3-4 fWAR 3Bman as the centerpiece for one season of a 4-5 fWAR RFer (4.5-5.5 fWAR is you want to split wars) plus a couple of interesting lottery tickets.
You only do this if 1-2 marginal wins is what you desperately need, and you’re willing to create a hole on your roster for 2026-27.
Phillies were too smart for this.
RWH 2
This deal makes no sense for the Cubs unless there is another deal to get rid of Bellinger. A general comment about recent events and rumors. All these bad contracts are coming home to roost and teams with them are trying to dump them.
JackStrawb
@RWH 2 There’s a strong market for Bellinger, and if they want the Cubs can also easily find taker for Suzuki. 2/38m for a 3.5 bWAR RFer in 2024 who is also under arb control for 2027, according to BB-Ref.
Jean Matrac
JackStrawb, I wouldn’t say there’s a strong market for Bellinger. Multiple teams have some interest, but they have to be wary of his salary as well as the inconsistency. In the current situation, I just don’t see that many teams willing to take on that salary, which the Cubs say they don’t want to eat any of. That could just be posturing of course.
But him being worth only about $15M-$18M, are the Cubs willing to eat almost $9M to over $12M, just to save money? Are other teams willing to give prospects on top of assuming as much as $17M? Plus the opt-out complicates things.
I could be wrong, but I see a trade of Bellinger as being very difficult. I think he stays with the Cubs and they trade Suzuki. Even if they pay down significant salary, I don’t think they’re getting much in return. He’s a fit on a couple of teams, like the Yanks, but the best fit might be back with the Cubs.
tmd
Just so everyone is clear…Tucker is turning 28 in January.