Dec. 16: Bruce Levine of 670 The Score said in an appearance on the Mully & Haugh show this morning that the Cubs and Marlins have been working on a potential Luzardo deal for some time now (audio link, Luzardo talk at 7:37am mark). Levine adds that a trade for Luzardo is something the Cubs “would really like to get done … in the next few days.”
That, of course, doesn’t necessarily indicate that a trade is close at the moment, but it’s nevertheless notable that the two parties are in ongoing discussions and that the Cubs feel strongly about trying to push something across the finish line.
Dec. 14: The Cubs already added Matthew Boyd to their rotation this winter but remain interested in adding another prominent name (if not someone at the top of the free agent market) to a starter group that already includes Shota Imanaga, Justin Steele, and Jameson Taillon as the top three. Such trade and free agent targets as Luis Castillo and Walker Buehler have been linked to Chicago already, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports that the Cubs have also shown interest in Marlins left-hander Jesus Luzardo.
Reports surfaced during the Winter Meetings about some teams checking in on Luzardo’s services, as it could be that teams were investigating a buy-low possibility. Luzardo has been mentioned as a potential trade candidate even before the Marlins entered their latest teardown, and had he been healthy in 2024, it is quite possible he would’ve already been shipped off to a different team prior to the last trade deadline. Unfortunately for Luzardo and the Marlins, he was limited to 12 starts and 66 2/3 innings due to elbow problems and repeated back problems, including as a stress reaction in his lower back.
Injuries have essentially been the story of Luzardo’s career over his six Major League seasons with the A’s and Marlins. He has 512 innings pitched across parts of those six seasons, with 178 2/3 of those frames coming in 2023. Luzardo’s career 4.29 ERA includes a lot of peaks and valleys, with struggles in 2021 and 2024 undermining his otherwise above-average numbers.
The inconsistency resulted in lowering Luzardo’s price tag as he entered his arbitration years, and MLBTR projects him to earn $6MM this winter in his second of three arb-eligible seasons. If he can replicate his 2023 form, his 2025-26 salaries will be a significant bargain for the Marlins or whatever team Luzardo is pitching for, and he is only entering his age-27 season.
The upside here is obvious, except the obvious concern for any interested teams is that they don’t know what version of Luzardo will show up in 2025. This could make it hard for Miami to land on an acceptable trade package with the Cubs or any other team, simply because the Marlins naturally want to get as much as they can in return for one of their top trade chips. Waiting until the deadline might be the wiser tack for Peter Bendix’s front office, as while Luzardo runs the risk of getting hurt again, a healthy and effective first half would restore his trade value.
670 The Score’s Bruce Levine reports that Miami is looking for a “young controllable bat back” in a Luzardo deal, and suggests that the Cubs would have to give up a top prospect like Owen Caissie or James Triantos. Considering those two are both within the top 55 of MLB Pipeline’s rankings of the top minor leaguers in all of baseball, it would be bold on Chicago’s part to move Caissie or Triantos for an injury-prone pitcher coming off a 5.00 ERA season.
Then again, the Marlins scored a nice trade package for another oft-injured, inconsistent pitcher at the last deadline when they got Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers from the Orioles for Trevor Rogers. While the deal raised eyebrows at the time, it underscored the value that teams put on controllable pitching. Of course, the fact that Rogers heavily struggled after the trade to Baltimore also highlights the risk involved in such trades. The Cubs have already shown their aggression this winter by trading for Kyle Tucker, and might be willing to dip into their deep farm system again in order to make a potentially huge rotation upgrade. Assuming that the likes of Caissie or Triandos are even on the table in potential trades, Chicago might prefer to opt to move those kinds of prospects only for a more reliable pitcher.
mike127
Can someone do a wellness check on Blackpink?
All this biased Cubs coverage and not even a single dumb statement about the Cardinals to be found.
It’s the holiday season, we wish no ill will on anybody.
Please let everyone know you’re ok Blackpink.
FartJesus
There’s probably a new kpop group of young girls that just came out and he needs uninterrupted time to goon over them.
BITA
They sell a lot of records Fart. Someone is buying them. Have you heard any of their songs? I bet you haven’t. Open up your mind.
Unclemike1526
Quite frankly I’m petrified at what Hoyer is capable of the rest of this off season.
Rexhudler86
@unclemike. I thought you fired him already.
Cubby 2025
@unclemike….thus far he has traded for a legit top ten bat in the sport, gotten a potentially fair number 5 starter, added depth to the bullpen….and more importantly to you probably gotten rid of that bad portion of the bench (wisdom, etc).
I’d be petrified too….it’s been perfect up through today….completing a perfect bingo card is tough to do….but they seem to be doing well so far.
FartJesus
I have. Lived in SK for a number of years. Heard more than my fair share of Kpop. Just not a creeper like blackpink is.
Unclemike1526
Rex- If I only could.
Unclemike1526
Cubby-He traded 3 nice pieces for 1 year of that bat. That only makes sense if you think the Cubs are WS contenders in 2025. Do you think that? Then you need to see a neurologist.
batteryoutlet
uncle – its clear this move makes no sense if its the only move being made this off season. more needs to be done.
Rexhudler86
@unclemike. Tucker is tier 1 in defense, and Tier 2 in offense. I agree they need to make more moves to make sense.
Cubby 2025
Uncle…so NOW Wesneski is a nice piece? He wasn’t one of their best seven or eight starters, didn’t help anchor their bullpen issues last season and now he’s a nice piece? Cam Smith was playing college baseball six months ago and may very well be really good.
Parades, albeit, poor with the Cubs is a nice piece but they got a top ten bat in baseball in the deal.
Remember when Jed got Aroldis Chapman for three months for that Hall of Famer??? What’s his name? Oh yeah, my neurologist just reminded me…Gleybar Torres.
Worry about who have, not about those you don’t.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fart’s old heh
Dumpster Divin Theo
86 wins or bust. Or make that 86 wins then bust
FartJesus
I am pretty old. But, I think the majority of posters are past their early 30s, so they are older than me. I mean I’m at least younger than the 3 stooges guy or the weirdo that uses the old timey riddler as his picture.
frankiegxiii
@UncleMike The DBacks were just in the World Series a year ago and the Tigers just overcame a 0.2% chance of making the postseason. WS contenders or not, it’s great to see a team actually trying to get the pieces needed to win.
earmbrister
The Cubs better win the WS this year or you’ll be one of the villagers bearing a pitchfork a year from now. That was a lot to give up for one year of Tucker.
Unclemike1526
Let me put it in simple terms since you are all graduates of hooked on phonics. Hoyer just traded 3 guys for a one year rental. I don’t care how good he is. He has already stated he’s going to FA. Ricketts has shown he has no interest in playing the 400 million dollar zone. So now you have year of a guy. If all the sudden Ricketts DOES decide to play in the 400 million dollar zone it looks even stupider. Now you’ve given up 3 guys, AND 400 million for a guy who if Hoyer could KEEP IT IN HIS PANTS, They could have had for just the money in one year. Is this thing on? Anybody speak English? Ahh what’s the use.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Playoffs first. Baby steps
Unclemike1526
If it takes 3 players to get a 1 year rental every year to make the Playoffs it ain’t gonna last very long. is it? LOL
mike127
Uncle—glad you covered your bases just in case the Cubs extend Tucker.
However, that’s not my point here. Even though it is actually a word, you using “stupider” in your post that starts with a “Hooked on Phonics” reference really ties everything together just perfectly.
And why no tribute or good riddance posts today to Wisdom and his Korean contract???
Unclemike1526
Really? I didn’t notice that’s why. Hooray! He should have been playing there the last 3 years. I did see my guy David Bote hooked on with the Dodgers. Loved that.
Unclemike1526
And it was obvious nobody was thinking about the Tucker implications. If the hooked on phonics thing was over the top my apologies. Everybody is so giggly about having a guy for 1 year I couldn’t help but point it out in simpler terms. But most of them still won’t get it. And if he gets hurt………well than it will be another Hoyer disaster.
mike127
Uncle—there are no implications on Tucker that you nor I nor anyone else on this string can do anything about.
Friendly hint—you need to take things a little less personal and don’t tie everything to a Jed agenda. Fact is Jed has multiple championships and I’m guessing he wouldn’t know you nor I if he walked by us in our seats at Wrigley.
Finally, no need to apologize on the Hooked on Phonics line—I love using it frequently. I just got a kick out of you asking asking the world if they spoke English, referenced Hooked on Phonics and in the same text used the word “stupider”.
Willing to bet here that 99.9% of the English writing world would have used “more stupid” instead of “stupider”.
Even though “stupider” is a word—it’s somewhat funny that using it makes one sound “more stupid.”
Just calm down, walk to the fridge, grab your beverage and use whatever sentence you want and use “stupider” one time and “more stupid” the next. Repeat about three or four times and you will see the light bulb go on!
Post with you tomorrow—there has to be a Cubs story or two on this biased site. Have a good rest of the night.
Unclemike1526
There’s already one about Hoerner. That’s what scares me is Hoyer is starting to think. And that can only be bad. As for my favorite beverage it’s soda. I quit drinking about 8 years ago. But I might start again if Hoyer keeps it up.
BITA
Calm down Mike. Cubs got a stud in Tucker. It’s a good thing…..
chemfinancing
Yea uncle Mike did u refer to Wesneski as a nice piece? I’m sorry but u need to see a neurologist especially considering your age
batteryoutlet
stay away from the kids uncle mike
Unclemike1526
Wesneski was a nice piece. He could start or relieve in a pinch. He was a quality arm for the Cubs. Is he irreplaceable? Well no. But he was more than as a throw in on a stupid trade for a 1 year rental you have no chance at signing
Cubby 2025
Uncle….in terms of WAR…of players that pitched for the Cubs last year…Wesneski ranked #29 on that list. Sure, it’s quiet a bit deceiving but even Patrick Wisdom had a better pitching WAR than Wesneski.
There were actually 28 guys that outpitched his value last season.
Piece, yes. Nice piece, stretch.
kgcubs
Aloha Cubby, I hear your points. Wesneski was a throw away piece. Uncle Mike has a point though, Hoyer has done nothing major the past 3-4 yrs. I give him credit for overseeing the rebuilding of the farm system. Trading away the old core and salvaging something for them when Theo held onto them to tightly.
I wouldn’t call Tucker a top ten bat per his overall numbers, that’s superstar in the WAR of 6+ folks. But Tucker is a top 20 hitter, still very good and too give up so much for a 1 year rental, do you have confidence in this Ricketts ownership that they will give him a $500mil contract next off season? He’s going to be one of the main top FA’s after the 2025 season. I’m happy to have him as a Cub for a year. But Jed is not good at wheeling and dealing, meaning outside of our Cubs, who was the other major suitor for Tucker…the Yankees. Houston told NYY they wanted Gil and the Yankees said no, that should have sent a big positive message to Jed, only offer Paredes and maybe two out of three of Alcantara, Rojas and Triantos. Still give them Wesneski, fine. Play the waiting game not the desperation one. Houston went after Paredes this past July and lost to our Cubs, they don’t want to pay Bregman. It’s called using your head, “reading the room,” understanding what’s before you. Hoyer clearly doesn’t. My suggestion still would have been a nice haul for Houston and our Cubs get a rental star for 2025. I bet Houston couldn’t believe that Jed agreed to include our #1 draft pick from this year, with such a high ceiling. Now he’s going after Luzardo, he’s a risk. Watch Jed give Miami Caissie or Shaw! Maybe Triantos but after the Houston trade, watch Jed give up 2 high tier prospects. I want our Cubs to win and ask that the FO thinks about their moves not just for today but the future too. And I’m not against trading higher prospects but there better be a plan in place. The past 4 years Jed’s been hammered for doing nothing, not building a team, sharing a plan, then all of a sudden boom! If our Cubs don’t win the championship this year and Tucker walks away, Cub fans better remember this and Jed better be gone. And the Ricketts need to sell the team too. Mahalo
Classicfinder
You make it seem like the 3 guys Hoyer gave up are Mays, Aaron, and the next Ruth. Paredes was barely replacement level in 50+ games with the Cubs last year which was actually better than Morel provided the Rays. Wesneski is just an arm which are valuable but replaceable. Smith while a well-regarded prospect, is still a prospect that is a few years away. Tucker is an offensive/defensive stud who was in the early MVP conversation until getting injured. When you get the far and away best player in a deal you usually win it. It should be a great season to watch Tucker play. The benefit of getting him to Chicago now is the advantage of him seeing if he loves Chicago and you have all season to work him on a long-term deal versus just the free agent season.
Unclemike1526
You know you people just refuse to get it. I’ll try it again. it’s not that the 3 guys will be Ruth , Aaron and Mays. It’s the fact that they were wasted for 1 year of a guy who has already said he’s going to FA. The ONLY way this trade makes sense is if you think the Cubs are WS material in 2025. And again if YOU think that you need to go see a Neurologist ASAP! This team isn’t beating the Dodgers, Phillies, or probably the Mets when it’s over. Heck they can’t even beat the D Backs because they run circles around them. THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE A CLOSER and if I know Jed Hodge is it with no back up plan at all. See last year. THAT’S THE POINT. There is NO PLAN. It is and always has been no plan with Jed. I guess I’ll keep trying but I sense everyone here loves throw crap at the wall and pray. So be it.
Led Hoyer
I am willing to see this play out. This was supposed to be a re-tool and has turned into everlasting rebuild. Cam smith is the 76 the ranked prospect, hardly a sure thing. Wesneski got absolutely hammered last year and was the cubs 9th starter/‘middle relief. Paredes was not good and punting instead of rolling him out another year might have been the best move. Jed doesn’t win the central he is probably gone. I haven’t been excited about a cubs season since 2018. I hope they win a ton of games.
brood550
LOL, as a Cubs fan I’m watching him trade away the future for peanuts. Its the Cease trade on perpetual repeat. The Cubs are at least 2-3 years from the opening of a window. And there are a lot of holes on this roster. Given that Tucker is a rental they gave up too much for and signing Boyd who hasn’t pitched 100 innings since 2019 for 2 years is wild. If he’s going to be slotted into the rotation they better have a long relief guy saved for those days since Boyd hasn’t averaged over 5 innings a start since 21.
tikiagedola
I still can’t believe he has a screename of a teenager Asian group. And he is a grown man. Also, that he called African Americans “colored”
mike127
But—you can probably believe he’s a Cardinal fan with the Cubs living rent free in his head. That is the reason for my worry…all this Tucker stuff going on, Cubs news after Cubs news and nothing but crickets. I hope he’s OK. He makes things amusing here some days.
BITA
They aren’t teenagers fella. Although they do look young. Perhaps thats the appeal……
Unclemike1526
mike127- Be curious as to what you would say if Hoyer traded Caissie for a LH P who is injured more than he pitches? You on board for that? Hoyer seems to be shooting for an all LH starting staff. When 75% of the hitters are RH. That would make Hoyer from the planet Stupider. There,I used it in a sentence. LOL
MLB Top 100 Commenter
No way they trade Caissie for Luzardo. Alcantara for Luzardo maybe. Triantos for Luzardo maybe. Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros should be off limits.
More importantly, how about signing Kittridge and Minter for bullpen.
Unclemike1526
I stupidly assumed Smith was off limits. No such thing with Jed.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Smith on a deal for Kyle Tucker is ok if you are really confident that Shaw is your 3B of the future.
Alcantara is Ok if you are confident in PCA.
Caissie will be a corner OF in 2026 and Ballesteros might be DH on 2026.
Now, you can argue it would have been better trade Cam Smith for a young pitcher with five years of control, rather than one year of Tucker, but moving him seemed ok. I will consider it an acceptable deal if they can win the division. Hayden barely counts. I like keeping Hoerner over Paredes.
Rexhudler86
@mike127. Blackpink has 10 accounts he’s around. Follow the stupid comments.
Blue Baron
Rexhudler86: Just like in The Wizard of Oz, lol.
Follow the stupid comments, follow the stupid comments. Follow, follow, follow, follow the stupid comments!
towinagain
Padres have shown interest in international phenom Sa Ving Mauny.
Sa Ving stands a t 6’4 with a plus mid to late 90s four seam fastball, a late breaking slider and a sweeper.
Sa Ving hails from Indonesia, not known as a baseball hot bed per se but more for cricket.
Sa Ving began following baseball in his younger years when MLB sent an assortment of ex MLB talent on a goodwill tour.
The great Pedro Martinez made the trip and showed a 6yr old Sa Ving a slider grip and the basics of pitching.
The impression that Pedro made on a young Sa Ving left an indelible impression.
When Sa Ving entered his early teens he entered several MLB run clinics geared towards raising awareness of the sport in neighboring Malaysia.
Sa Ving was stood out and MLB offered him a scholarship of sorts to continue with its MLB run clinics.
Sa Ving progressed quickly and at the tender age of 17 has become an international stand out.
Tha Padres have sent scouts and are on the verge of signing, if it fits within the financial paramaeters of their budget, Sa Ving Mauny.
FartJesus
@towinagain. I heard Sa Ving learned the famous football slider I invented.
NewSliderBeshens
Roger Beshens was contacted in Nov 2018 by a Major League SR Data Architect Tangotiger. The reason MLB contacted Roger and not Driveline and Tread because Roger Beshens invented it. Notice since the beginning of baseball nobody has the cues, on center grip, throw like a football, stiff wrist. If someone did the Roger Beshens Football Slider revolution would have began then,
FartJesus
Sorry Roger, I have proof I invented it. In my second grade journal I wrote about it in great detail. And guess who my second grade teacher at the time was? That’s right, John Baseball, the inventor/ceo of Baseball.
NewSliderBeshens
If any ML pitchers since the beginning of baseball, said On center grip, throw like football, stiff wrist the Football Slider revolution would have started then. Roger Beshens has proof MLB contacted him in Novemeber 2018, It’s on his twitter now. @rbeshens. MLB didn’t contact, driveline or Tread for because they knew Roger Beshens is the reason for the Football Slider which now is Sweeper and Gyro.
bwmiller79
Draft them, trade them, dig more out of the jungle in South East Asia.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Tow…Naw, Seattle has an inside track on Sa Ving…our international district has delicacies from everywhere.
Blue Baron
towinagain: How is that relevant to this thread?
BITA
I dont know who this blackpink guy is but I bet he could kick your………
FartJesus
@BITA. Also called Blackpink In The Area. You’re so weird creating another username that’s obviously you, and white knighting for yourself.
BITA
White knighting?
Dude your name is fart Jesus. Just saying…..
FartJesus
It’s apparent you don’t know what “white knighting” means. I know my name. You created a new screen name to defend your old screen name. Just saying….
BITA
Wow it’s apparent huh. Glad you figured that one out.
You have no idea why I created a new screen name. Fartjesus……
FartJesus
I know why you created a new screen name. It was to defend yourself after your old screen name became associated with being a complete moron. But, since you are still a complete moron, your new name was way too obvious from the start.
Praise be to Fart Jesus.
Wire to wire 2024
How about that
spillthatwine
Get him and a couple more guys and I’m really into it. Ppl don’t respect her enough. Dude tries his best in the offseason
This one belongs to the Reds
I believe this rumor was out there last time too and nothing happened.
spillthatwine
If they did Luis Castillo instead it’d be wild. Brett Taylor suggested that on bn
robert-5
I like Castillo’s track record and being a RH, but he definitely appears to be trending downward and is owed quite a bit of money on that contract. Basically Bellinger money for 3yrs instead of 2.
Luzardo has a great arm but his injury history and being LH have me less than excited. Jed better not give up much in return. Alcantara or Canario and an A-ball arm or two would be about my limit.
I wonder if Jed would be looking at him as the LH reliever we desperately need. That could be interesting.
mike127
Since he’s no longer part of the organization, would Patrick Wisdom to Korea qualify as Cubs news??
Waiting for the MLBTR story.
Acoss1331
Wisdom is going to be singing in Korean to his new teammates at his first meeting with them!
10centBeerNight
Good to see Cubbies wheelin & dealin
RobblyDobs
Cubs interested in [pitcher]
This one belongs to the Reds
I need to get my 82mph heater ready to show them.
ray1
4.29 career ERA and that injury history? Pass.
rondon
I seriously doubt Cassie or even Triantos would be part of a deal for such an unreliable return.
Acoss1331
Go after Castillo instead, or Roki Sasaki.
rondon
How about both? I know the odds are slim for Sasaki, but hey, nobody picked them to get Suzuki or Imanaga either. I get that Sasaki is a bigger fish, but I still think it’s too soon to say the Dodgers are a lock.
ElectricEddie
Caissie is our DH next year
He’s not getting traded
Jiggs
I hope you’re right.
robert-5
Caissie is a better defender than Suzuki. Assuming Seiya will be traded?
Led Hoyer
Has an all lefty rotation been tried in the mlb. Let’s see it!
ReyDay
Dodgers had four in 2017 – Kershaw, Ryu, Hill and Wood. Won 104 games that year. White Sox during the Sale-Rondo-Quintana-Danks day but didn’t work out as well.
muskie73
According to a reddit post, only four teams in MLB history had four left-handed pitchers make at least 20 starts in a season. Those four teams:
▪ The 2017 Los Angeles Dodgers (Rich Hill, Clayton Kershaw, Hyun Jin Ryu and Alex Wood)
▪ The 2015 Chicago White Sox (John Danks, Jose Quintana, Carlos Rodon and Chris Sale)
▪ The 2013 White Sox (Danks, Quintana, Sale and Hector Santiago)
▪ The 1954 Washington Senators (Mickey McDermott, Johnny Schmitz, Chuck Stobbs, Dean Stone)
reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1bm5gmc/how_rare_is…
Wire to wire 2024
I forgot John danks ever existed
Dumpster Divin Theo
What about Danks
danumd87
I hope his mother doesn’t read these comments
jimmyjames
You’re Dwelcome…
BITA
Yeah I am wondering how many lefty relievers the Cubs need.
johncal25
You still have Taillon but yeah I don’t get pursuing yet another lefty. If I am trading w the Marlins I want Alcantara.
robert-5
I like Taillon as a 4-5 starter but he pitched quite well for the Cubbies last season and if the Cubs landed someone like Sasaki, Jameson would be easy to trade, his contract is quite reasonable (from what I recall).
Blue Baron
The 1976 Mets had Koosman, Lolich, and Matlack behind Seaver, though he, of course, was a righty.
tikiagedola
Do you believe in je$us?
C Yards Jeff
Not with “elbow problems”.
solaris602
I wouldn’t take the risk. Yeah, the price tag salary wise is attractive, but his health issues and general inconsistency make him a crap shoot.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Hey zeus
Dumpster Divin Theo
Jesus built my hotrod
jimmyjames
Duane Denison liked this comment…
cwsOverhaul
Caissie does not seem expendable until/unless Cubs throw out a guaranteed $ figure that compels Tucker to say yes to a massive contract extension. Even then, he could headline a deal that gets them a player way more reliable than Luzardo.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
And even then he shouldn’t be the.first expendable OF. Canario and Alcantara should be first. Canario is out of options though. That’s a tougher sell
Led Hoyer
I’ve seen Alcantara higher rated than Caissie in some rankings. I think it depends on who the front office likes more. Hoyer is in a tough spot but he put himself in that spot.
CFS77
Pass
Oldguy58
Cubs President of Baseball Jed Hoyer does close to nothing for four seasons and now in the last year of his contract he makes an effort trying to get an extension
920falcon
Yeah really. He is “in” on more players than Preller, this off-season.
xpensivewinos
Preller ran out of other people’s money to spend……..
Swingandamiss
Preller was empowered by a dying owner who was trying to buy a title. The owner was all in and sadly didn’t get to see it. RIP.
leftcoaster
Trading Caissie would ultimately prove to be a big mistake.
solaris602
Especially if it’s for Luzardo. If they’re gonna trade Caissie, it should be for more of a sure thing like any of Seattle’s starters.
robert-5
The only one they are interested in trading is starting to decline and owed @ $75M over the next 3 seasons…
I would NOT trade a bat like Caissie’s for that, but I would certainly take Castillo in a salary-dump trade for Canario or something less valuable.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
My do not trade list is Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros. I’d like to see Shaw succeed before trading Triantos. How about Kevin Alcantara straight up for Jesus Luzardo. Fish should like Alcantara in that he can play all three outfield positions. High upside guy with a bit of swing and miss.
CFS77
Why? He is not a better option than Boyd.
I would rather trade Caissie and Alàcantara if I am getting a legit TOR. Like Cease. At least he is proven to be capable of being on a contender.
Trading prospects for bottom of the rotation is folly. Jed is better off sitting on Assad much less Brown.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Assad will be in the rotation whether or not they add one starting pitcher. Shota, Steele, Taillon, Assad. Brown is probably in the bullpen, but I am open to Brown or Horton as the 5th starter over Wicks.
No, I would not trade Caissie and Alcantara for one year of Cease.
Yes, I would trade Alcantara for two years of Luzardo.
If the Cubs trade Belli or Suzuki they can keep all of their prospects and sign a free agent like Quintana on a one year deal.
ElectricEddie
Where have you been ??
They signed Boyd for the rotation !!
CFS77
Well Jed deemed that Tucker was worth Paredes, Smith and Wesneski. And you deem that Cease is not worth 2 OF prospects that are blocked on AAA?
Sounds about right.
Squirrel hoarding the nuts 101
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Eddie
Thanks, left Boyd out. I would slot him 4th ahead of Assad unless he sucks in spring training.
I want them to sign Minter and Kittridge.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I have no problem trading Cam Smith. I was unhappy when the Cubs traded Ferris and Hope for Busch. Unless he has a major injury, Jackson Ferris alone will be worth more than Busch.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Save Ferris
Blue Baron
Dumpster: Walker Buehler’s day off.
CFS77
Time will tell. Busch is a bit old for a rookie. But he took to 1B and put up solid rookie numbers
Feris is still a prospect and that means gamble. Brown, Wicks and Horton have not broken into the rotation and all were higher rated prospects.
No guarantee that he would have been a rotation piece even Cease got traded prior. Steele has been the exception vs the rule under this management team
Poopscab13
Like the strikeout upside, but it’s not worth it if Caissie is the ask
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Please no. Not for Owen Caissie. Don’t need 4 lefties in the rotation. If Caissie is involved it’s gotta be for Sandy Alcantara. And ONKC should not be moved even for Sandy
Acoss1331
Hoyer should get some more bullpen arms. Unless it’s Sandy Alcantara, Luis Castillo or Roki Sasaki, pass.
robert-5
Have to agree, the Cubs need a power RH to slot in #2 between Steele and Imanaga.
Maybe Horton can be that guy, but not holding my breath there. Snag Castillo and some $ for expendable parts and Jed is well on his way to an A+ offseason. Just need some late inning bullpen reinforcements.
I don’t see what Luzardo offers unless they need help hitting their PPO deductible.
NewSliderBeshens
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
As you can tell the rich elite teams are stocking up on them.
MLB Sr data architect Tangotiger contacted Roger Beshens in Nov 2018 cause of all the pitchers Roger Beshens influenced. That message is currently on @rbeshens Twitter along with video of Roger teaching his football slider to Brent Strom in the Dbacks Clubhouse. Roger Beshens football slider guy on Feb 29, 2024 had a 6 minute chat with 10 Dback pitchers and pitching coaches on video and a 48 minute invite to show his techniques to Strom in the Dbacks Clubhouse.
Tigers3232
We ve already established your timeliness is bunk. This sweeperslineage is traced back to guys like Ottavino and Cone. Well before your claims.
Nobody is going to credit you with creating something that already existed.
nytimes.com/2023/04/12/sports/baseball/sweeper-pit…
NewSliderBeshens
Roger Beshens never said he created any kind of pitch, he said he caused the MLB Slider revolution in 2018, seems like you’re battling something that doesn’t exist.
Creating and causing something are two different things.
May 2018 Roger Beshens bombarded MLB MILB NCAA pitchers with his famous Grip, Tilt and Wrist action, On center grip, throw like Football Stiff Wrist. The great thing with that is he has a video with Strom acknowledging it and Strom even invited Roger Beshens in the Dbcacks Clubhouse to teach him. That’s forever and powerful.
That was the 1st year in MLB more K”s than Strikeouts and it was because of Roger Beshens’s Football Slider. Anybody with baseball knowledge knows this.
Everyone knows Glasnow and many of his teammates Taillon, Musgrove, Kuhl, Crick, T Williams learned and started throwing the Roger Beshens Football Slider in Pittsburgh May 2018. That’s documented. Taillon was Reds May 22, or 23, he later called it a Whirly in NY.
Changing the Roger Beshens Football Slider to Sweeper and Gyro, Whirly etc doesn’t change the fact Roger Beshens CAUSED the MLB Slider revolution.
NewSliderBeshens
Roger Beshens always said Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton threw the football slider, so you saying Roger Beshens created his football slider makes you look very ignorant and out of touch.
If ANY ML pitcher with a great slider since the beginning of baseball said he threw it on center, football, stiff wrist, the “Football slider” revolution would have started then.
Roger Beshens decided to do so and that’s why every MLB team uses his football slider as the blueprint.
You can’t even defend anything I said above. Nobody can.
Strom inviting Roger Beshens to teach him the Roger Beshens Football Slider in the Dbacks clubhouse with video is very powerful. Smart move to document. Good for Roger Beshens. That’s not going away.
NewSliderBeshens
You can go back as far as you want, a pitcher needs to know how to throw that football slider. For some reason, just maybe they didn’t want anyone else throwing it better than them so they are the best on the team, best in the league.
There’s ZERO technology needed to learn, throw or improve his football slider. If a pitcher doesn’t know how to shape the pitch technology can only show the result not how to shape it, that’s why Brent Strom MLB, MILB NCAA pitchers listen to Roger Beshens.
Rsox
Marlins need help in many areas.
Amaya, Mervis and a prospect?
rememberthecoop
No way in hell do I give up a top 100 prospect for Luzardo. I’d rather have Castillo, especially if trying to win now because Cubs only have Tucker one year, so you need more certainty out of your rotation. Luzardo may have a bigger ceiling, but the floor is more stable with Castillo.
Aaron Sapoznik
Not to mention Lazardo would give the Cubs 4 southpaws in their rotation while Castillo helps balance it out with a second RHP.
NewSliderBeshens
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
Many have been copying the Roger Beshens Football Slider, anything even altered is still copying it.
Indianfan
So, you’ve gone from the Mets being interested in everybody to the Cubs being interested everybody. No matter the team, it’s still just worthless BS. Hard news or nothing, please.
JoeBrady
Indianfan
it’s still just worthless BS. Hard news or nothing, please.
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Do you know what the “RE” in MLBR stands for?
Blue Baron
There’s no E.
ElectricEddie
It’s Castillo and Haniger for Bellinger and Suzuki
They are working on the dollars
Drasco0366
That’s a terrible trade and no they are not
JoeBrady
I have no dog in this race, but that sounds like an intriguing offer both ways. Who do you think is getting the better of the deal and why?
robert-5
Haniger will be selling insurance in 3 years. Castillo’s contract is not great.
Belli and Castillo may roughly equal out, but no way in he// Suzuki for Haniger makes any sense whatsoever. A 33yo with an 84 OPS+ and another OF we dont need.
Seamaholic
Heh, I was about to say the Mariners wouldn’t touch that deal with a ten foot pole. Belli is a negative asset and there are plenty of 1B on the market who are as least as good a hitter (or better). Suzuki is a fine player (better than Bellinger) but the Mariners don’t really need a RF. They need a 3B or 2B and their GM has repeatedly said that’s what they’re shooting for. Unless his name is Freddie Freakin’ Freeman, they’re not trading one of the SP’s for a 1B.
Take out Bellinger and add Hoerner and you might have something. You might even get a prospect from the Mariners.
robert-5
If Belli is a negative asset, then Castillo is also. Cody has out WAR’d him 2 years in a row. Luis is still good but clearly declining and is owed a lot more money than Bellinger for up to the next 4 years.
Cody is overpaid based on his ‘24 results but was very good in ‘23, and may well earn it again in ‘25.
Cubs are trying to win in ‘25, they just traded for a star player in his final year of arbitration. Trading guys like Suzuki and Hoerner don’t make sense now. Trading Belli would be for salary relief and to clear the RF logjam. If Cubs acquired Castillo it would include cash from Seattle in exchange for prospects, or swapping contracts like Bellinger.
Jiggs
I probably believe too much in the Cubs youth. But most people with back pain know, you’re never the same after. Rizzo good example. Trading youth for a player with Back Problem history, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh. Jesus is just allright allright
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Rare to see any of these, “interested in” articles for the Dodgers.
It’s usually, Dodgers sign so and so…
Red Sox, Cubs and Blue Jays must be thrilled…..
UKPhil
Marlins pitchers of potential value need to show what they can do before they can be traded for players of real value.
The Marlins have no business trading any Starter before May
Jeremy320
Cubs are an interesting team. Look great on paper but there is just something wrong with this team. It’s hard to explain but their record helps.
BITA
It’s the Cubs. It’s kind of their brand. Don’t read too much into it.
Wagner>Cobb
Luis Castillo would be a much better addition.
mbart33
Pass- walker would be much better
mad1
Number 4 starter..maybe
Ma4170
Not sure why they would sell low on Luzardo. No chance they get a prospect like Caissie or Triantos back now.
FourTfour
Can someone please explain to me why they need yet another left handed starter? Especially one with questionable at best health history?
Salzilla
If I were the Cubs I’d get Castillo and have a legitish ace. I’d also keep Bellinger and move Busch to 3rd and hope the extra thump negates any defensive woes.
You got Tucker this year, don’t do what the Yankees did last year with Soto and not get enough to support him. Make another big move and contend THIS year. Don’t wait till Tucker is out the door!
Wagner>Cobb
Can Busch play 3B adequately?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Busch cannot play 3B on the field, probably not even 2B. Moving Cam Smith was all about the emergence of Shaw.
The Yankees made the correct moves. They made it to the WS against a Dodgers team that was so good they could overcome pitching injuries.
A large market team does not rebuild 80% of the time to snag a WS championship like the Marlins did. Trading for Tucker was great, but no reason to go overboard in trading prospects. Just go sign a couple backend relievers and let’s play ball.
Wagner>Cobb
They do still need to trade Bellinger or Suzuki though. Its a waste of resources to carry them both along with the addition of Tucker. Either player could be turned into an upgrade elsewhere or for future depth.
They could extend their window by signing Tucker long-term when the time comes as well. Being free of Bellinger and Suzuki’s salaries will help with that.
Drasco0366
My opinion is trade Bellinger. Trade Hoerner (and I love Nico Hoerner), trade Taillon, sign Bregman, sign Yates, do a back flip if Sasaki signs here.
Cubs are about 30 million under, +27 in Bellinger, 18 in Taillon, 11 in Nico. Bellinger and Bregman AAV wise would be a wash, Yate and Nico would be pretty close as well. That gives you 48 million. Go sign Buehler for a season and roll with what you have. Then you’re clear Buehler and Yates for 26 if you want to swim in big boy waters and re- sign Tuck.
Salzilla
And if they had signed Snell and not Stroman, maybe they would have won. I mean it’s not even debatable that they did not in fact make the right moves after acquiring Soto. (Jazz at the deadline notwithstanding)
Also, giving the keys to Shaw when you have a window this season to contend is another move that would not be the correct one.
Drasco0366
Shaw over Paredes absolutely is the right move.
Tucker/Shaw/Bregman > Bellinger/Hoerner/Wesneski
And it’s not even close.
Seamaholic
Seems fairly obvious that you’d get better on the field if you acquire two of the biggest names on the market in an off-season.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Drasco
Keep Hoerner to play at 2B for 2025. Keep Suzuki to DH for 2025.
Trade Belli to Yankees, pay down what you must, no need to get a prospect back. Use the money saved on Belli to sign Kittridge and Minter for the bullpen. Ready for Opening Day!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Shaw at 3B is NOT more risky than Paredes or the former Morel.
Drasco0366
Top 100,
Porter Hodge-3 options
Tyson Miller- 0
Nate Pearson- 1
Keegan Thompson- 0
Eli Morgan- 1
Luke Little- 2
Julian Merryweather- 0
Rob Z- 0
Which two are you replacing and who are you removing from the 40 man roster AND what are you doing with Ben Brown and Jordan Wicks?
It’s all well and good to throw names against the wall and have the Cubs sign a bunch of relievers but you have roster restrictions and minor league options to consider. Cubs already have to drop two from that list to accommodate Brown and Wicks, that’s likely Rob Z and either Thompson or Merryweather, maybe they option Pearson and try to stretch him out, maybe they start with Brown in AAA to build back up arm strength but no way can the Cubs fit in two relievers, especially two without options.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Wagner
But they don’t need to trade one of them. Injuries happen.
If Belli has a good season, he will opt-out at the end of 2025. Win-win for everyone.
Led Hoyer
I do think if Busch could play any other infield spot he would still be with Dodgers.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Led
Concur
SeanStL
Castillo isn’t close to an ace
Wagner>Cobb
“Legitish”…5th place in the Cy Young in 2023. Coming off a “down” year, but the ERA+ is often there on any given season.
Salzilla
Personally not a fan, but I’ll give him legitish.
holecamels35
I think the Marlins are asking too much for him and his inconsistency and injury history will hurt a team trading for him. I’d go after Alcantara who is “off limits” to a gm who tore the team down to the ground.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Marlins would want much more, but Alcantara for Alcantara would make for a great headline
norcalblue
Cease seems like a much better fit for Cubs than Luzardo. I can’t imagine that Hoyer isn’t also exploring options with Preller and any number of other executives at this point. He needs to move Seiya and a dependable, front of the rotation starter makes the most sense.
Seamaholic
Well he’s a much better pitcher, yeah. And therefore costs a lot more.
robert-5
But Cease only has one year of control left, correct? I don’t see the Cubs making another trade for a star player that will likely walk after the season. Unless Big Tom plans on opening up the purse strings big time! I’m not high on any of these starting pitchers the Cubs are looking at. I’d rather see them focus on the bullpen, maybe 3B.
Seamaholic
Not really the best idea, if we’re honest, to state publicly that you “really want to get a deal done” for a specific player. Since the Marlins could sell Luzardo anywhere if they decide to move him, I’m thinking the Cubs are about to get taken the cleaners.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Caissie for Luzardo would be dumb as rocks for the Cubs. If they can get Luzardo for mid prospects and ship out Taillon, this could be a decent pickup. Otherwise, the Cubs should be going after a Castillo or Cease.
johncal25
You want to get rid of the one right handed starting pitcher we have? I have no interest in fielding a rotation of all lefty pitchers.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Not necessarily, but I think Luzardo has a much higher ceiling and would cost a fraction of Taillon. Would be better as part of a larger move for a real ace tho imo. I don’t love the rumors for Luzardo.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
You need to have six to nine starting pitchers most years, taking into account injuries. Depending upon the readiness of Horton and Brown, as I have doubts about Wicks, adding a solid pitcher like Luzardo is a smart move even if he has to compete for a rotation spot in ST versus pitching bulk innings. Just Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros need to be off limits
Edp007
A Xmas day deal?
formerlyz
Another guy that should have been traded November 2023, and will end up with a much lesser return, but even keeping that in mind, it’s the right call to move these guys, as I’d been saying all year, as a Marlins fan…though they absolutely have to get the best return possible for someone like this
2 of Shaw/triantos + Horton + Alcantara, and probably a 3rd lesser piece
FourTfour
If they trade even one of those prospects for a broken Luzardo, everyone involved should be fired.
Mmm
There are soooo many starters still available for just money I would hate to give up more than like wicks, canario and a low level arm. Like just take back rodon +2 mil a year in a bellinger swap. Offers even more upside.
Lankster19
Could he be used as a bullpen piece? Closer? Seems the rotation is fine with either Ben brown or Assad as your number 5. Depth is good but to give up Caissie seems unnecessary for another starter. Puts more pressure on the front office to lock up Tucker even more into next offseason dealing Caissie away. Lazardo could be a nasty LH setup man
brood550
Cubs might be interested in Luzardo. But, the Marlins should be asking for pre 2024 season value. Luzardo has 2 years of control left and looked like a stud before a back injury this year. I don’t see this deal getting done based on the pieces I believe would be needed to get it done.
If Luzardo bounces back this season he’ll be on the block next winter with the Marlins knowing they won’t resign him. This year with the down performance doesn’t feel like the right time to trade barring an overpay. I have no idea what a Free agent contract would like for Luzardo after the 2026 season, but talent gets paid. Especially talent under 30.
Prunella Vulgaris
Sign Burnes.
frankf
Luzardo would be a sweet reclamation project, but reclamation projects should not cost a Top 100 prospect. I’d be OK with semding over, say, Alexander Canario, Pedro Ramirez, and Caleb Killian.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
If the Cubs are willing to give up ‘Healthy Luzardo value’, then I’m for it. Otherwise, I wait until he pitches and shows he’s healthy so we can get a good return. It makes no sense to take a low ball offer now when, if Luzardo doesn’t pitch too well, we can get a low ball offer later that is still nice considering what teams are willing to give up for SPs at teh trade deadline.
NewSliderBeshens
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
When you read a guy learned a new slider from so and so notice how they don’t mention the Grip, Tilt and Wrist action (all 3) because if they do it’s the Roger Beshens Football Slider. MLB wont talk about it cause it’s still evolving. There is no Matt Blake, Ethan Katz all these coaches that never played in the Majors and many in the minors without Roger Beshens information.
There is no Flaherty, Glasnow, Snell fame without them learning the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
The Rays stank before they learned the Roger Beshens Football Slider in 2018, same for every team!!! Roger Beshens started the football slider revolution.