Corbin Burnes is the remaining headliner of the free agent class. The top starting pitcher is still unsigned despite the generally robust and quick-moving rotation market.
Most of the recent chatter regarding Burnes has centered on some combination of the Blue Jays, Giants, Red Sox and Orioles (albeit to a lesser extent in Baltimore’s case). Mark Feinsand of MLB.com writes that San Francisco has had a standing offer on the table, though he notes that the Giants could elect to move on to other targets if there continues to be no resolution on Burnes’ part.
Terms of San Francisco’s proposal are not clear. However, Feinsand reports that the former Cy Young winner is looking for a deal that would at least match the $245MM guarantee which Stephen Strasburg received from the Nationals over the 2019-20 offseason. (The net present value of Strasburg’s contract actually checked in around $229MM after accounting for deferrals.) The pre-deferral guarantee is the third-largest pitching investment in MLB history, trailing Yoshinobu Yamamoto’s $325MM contract with the Dodgers and the $324MM Gerrit Cole deal with the Yankees.
It’s unsurprising that Burnes and agent Scott Boras are shooting for Strasburg money in this market. MLBTR predicted Burnes to land seven years and $200MM in early November. Essentially every starter who has signed so far has equalled or beaten those (and most other) predictions. Max Fried was the biggest beneficiary. He landed an eight-year, $218MM contract at the Winter Meetings. That beat MLBTR’s prediction by two years and $62MM. Fried landed an extra season and $43MM than Aaron Nola received last winter.
Virtually every prognostication had Burnes above Fried. That makes something in the $220MM range feel like the former’s floor. Creating a notable separation would push Burnes close to or beyond Strasburg money. Burnes is nine months younger than Fried. He hasn’t had any injuries of note. That differentiates him from Fried, who missed three months in 2023 because of a muscular flexor strain in his forearm. Burnes has also reached bigger heights, winning the National League ERA title and Cy Young in 2022.
The one question has been a recent dip in swing-and-miss. Burnes fanned upwards of 35% of batters faced between 2020-21. That dropped to roughly 30% in 2022. It has continued to trend down over the past two seasons, falling to a slightly above-average 23.1% rate this year. Even the “diminished” strikeout rate essentially matched Fried’s 23.2% rate, though, so Burnes isn’t at a disadvantage in that regard.
That’ll be weighed against the question of which teams still have the willingness to offer a deal well north of $200MM. The Yankees would’ve been an obvious Burnes suitor if they hadn’t landed Fried. They’re probably out of the mix now. The Mets seem unlikely to make a massive commitment to a starting pitcher. The Sox have already acquired Garrett Crochet and agreed to terms with Walker Buehler on a one-year deal, adding significant upside to their rotation. They might have the payroll room to remain involved on Burnes, but they’re no longer facing the same sense of urgency to add an impact arm.
San Francisco might offer the best blend of spending capacity and need for an ace. Logan Webb is a legitimate #1, but the Giants haven’t replaced the production they lost when Blake Snell walked. Beyond Webb, San Francisco’s rotation consists of upside plays with questions about their durability and/or performance track records (i.e. Robbie Ray, Jordan Hicks, Kyle Harrison, Hayden Birdsong).
The Giants have made two nine-figure investments in recent months. They extended Matt Chapman for $151MM in September before adding Willy Adames on a seven-year, $182MM free agent deal. RosterResource calculates their luxury tax number at approximately $208MM, which puts them around $33MM shy of the base threshold. Their actual salary commitments sit around $167MM. That puts them almost $40MM below last year’s spending level. It’s not clear if ownership is willing to again push beyond $200MM in Opening Day payroll, but they could theoretically add Adames and Burnes without a significant spike in relative spending.
The Giants relinquished their second- and fifth-highest draft picks and $1MM from their ’26 international amateur bonus pool to sign Adames. They’d surrender their third- and sixth-highest selections and another $500K from the international pool if they were to land Burnes, who declined a qualifying offer from Baltimore.
gorav114
Great price, go get him back Os!
gr81t2
Wouldn’t call it a great price but the orioles better sign him
YourDreamGM
Awful price to me. And a draft pick. Rather have fried for cheaper and at least he is a lefty. Like Burnes strike out numbers that price needs to be going down.
chemfinancing
You like his strike out numbers? He was under a K per 9 innings last season the numbers are going down. With that being said, Burnes deserves every bit of that $245 mil (he will have to go to LAA to get that figure)
YourDreamGM
No one likes his strike out numbers. Why he is still a free agent. That and the ridiculous asking price he thinks anyone actually cares about.
gorav114
Wouldn’t cost the Orioles a draft pick
juggernaut
YourNightmareGM doesn’t seem to get it or understand much. Burnes was pitching to get outs so he could last longer within each game, which is what SP should be doing in the first place. And if you sign your own FA, it doesn’t cost you any draft picks, like someone said above. The Orioles need a front of the rotation SP to go with the young Grayson Rodriguez and Burnes is it. Orioles have money and young prospects/players to build around. Now step up and do it Orioles!
bigjonliljon
He only is worth what someone will pay him. What others have signed for is irrelevant. He can want whatever he wants. If a team doesn’t match that, that’s his worth.
JoeBrady
urnes was pitching to get outs so he could last longer
===========================
For 4 straight years? To me, that usually indicates an underlying arm injury.
Phree4u
He only struck out 1 batter per 9 innings?
You need to correct yourself.
Phree4u
Pitched for 4 straight years and you correlate that with an injury?
Dunce comment
geotheo
They do get a draft pick if he signs elsewhere so they would lose a pick. Not that it affects their strategy.
geotheo
And what is Gunner Henderson going to get? He’s not making minimum wage forever. After 2025 he hits arbitration. The Orioles might want to keep Jordan Westburg around for a long time also. Not to mention Cowser, Grayson Rodriguez, and Holliday ( know he struggled in 2024 but if he is as good as advertised he won’t be cheap). If the Orioles are going to give out a mega contract it’s probably better to give it to a player who plays every day rather than someone who only plays once every five days.
letitbelowenstein
Holliday will be fine, but not the mega-superstar they built him up to be.
gbs42
Burned has faced 2,365 batters over the last three seasons, and the team has some control over when and how he is deployed in the regular season and playoffs.
No batter has nearly that many plate appearances during the same time period, and they bat once out of every nine times.
The everyday-player-vs-every-five-days argument is weak, at best, and possibly completely wrong-sided.
JoeBrady
possibly completely wrong-sided.
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Completely wrong-sided. A RF can get 4 ABs and catch a couple of pop-ups, and some folks compare that to facing 30 batters in a game.
Sunday Lasagna
@JoeBrady, if 30 GM’s were starting a new team from scratch and they had a choice between Gerrit Cole facing 30 batters every 5 days or Aaron Judge getting 4 at bats every day and catching a couple of pop ups, I believe that all 30 would choose Aaron.
gbs42
@Lasagna,
That’s an unequal comparison. Judge is likely the best hitter in baseball, possibly the best of this century, while Cole is one of the best pitchers currently in the game.
How about Cole/Burnes vs. Schwarber? Vs. Joc Pederson? Comparing apples and oranges isn’t very helpful.
Dickiesox
But Judge would actually need to catch those pop ups.
Too soon?
geotheo
Burnes is 30 years old. Even if completely healthy there are 130 games a year where he is a spectator. Henderson can help you every game. Even if he doesn’t start he can pinch hit later. If you are the Orioles you are not a large market team like the Yankees,Mets, and Dodgers. They drew 2.281 million in 2024, 18th in MLB. Not bad but still not enough to sustain a 200+ million payroll. They have to be careful who they give mega contracts too. Paying a 38 year old Burnes 35 million in 2032 isn’t prudent if you end up losing Henderson, Cowser and Westburg among others. If Juan Soto can get 51 million what will Henderson command in 2028? Henderson is a Boras client also and plays a more demanding position. I would think at a minimum we are talking 40 million annual average. For a mid market team tying up 75 million in payroll isn’t the best use of funds. When the Orioles acquired Burnes they were under no illusions that he would be more than a 1 year rental. New owner or not that’s probably still the case
Sunday Lasagna
Fair enough @gbs42. It all depends on the matchup. If the matchup was of similar talent, the position player potentially impacting 162 games to me is more valuable than a similar level talent SP that will take the mound 32 times
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I predict Corbin Burnes will take Fried’s exact deal in less than 7 days:
8 years and $218 million.
Nationals will replace one Corbin with another.
O'sSayCanYouSee
MLB Top — Nationals huh? Don’t think the Learner’s are going to try and sell again now that the new Orioles ownership has come in and pledged to move the MASN dispute along?
yeasties
I thought the Nats were willing to spend like madmen because they were trying to win a World Series before Ted Lerner died. Target met, but he’s gone now, so the imperative is no longer there. I just don’t see the Lerners spending like that ever again.
920falcon
You nailed it, brother.
chemfinancing
Haha he isn’t going to the Nats I would so much rather have Burnes than Fried. My prediction is Baltimore or Los Angeles Angeles
BaseballGuy1
Ridiculous price, way too long a contract. Pass.
This one belongs to the Reds
Good luck with that ambition. Let’s see if you feel the same way in March when you are still sitting.
chemfinancing
Besides Skenes, Burnes is arguably the best pitcher in baseball. If I were an MLB GM I would be the team signing Burnes and he ought the most coveted FA this season (not Mr overrated evil soto)
rondon
This has the same overreaching stink of the Boras 4 from last season- Asking for too much for too long. Teams will wait he and Bregman out and they’ll both end up with 3 year deals with opt outs.
17dizzy
The O’s need him back as their Ace!!
Go get him!
bucsfan0004
1yr, $35M… back to the O’s
rottenboyfriend
Anything longer than 5 years on a pitcher is insanity! Either they get hurt or their stuff falls off….
gbs42
The market must be insane, now if they can do something really crazy like getting the pre-free agency players paid a lot more.
SFBay314
Giants really have no choice, need to sign him.
Good for him, the ownership has beers at $17.50. At least some of it will go to a good pitcher! Get it?!
bigdaddyt
Jeeze I must be getting old AF cause in Toronto it’s less than that and in Canadian that’s 25.50 for a beer
Chrome
$25,50 CA is the same as $17.50 US ( $17.76 today ) — Says the Canadian expat
JoeBrady
You guys should have to pay more since you have better beer. The US runs the world and we have almost no master brewers.
YourDreamGM
They can choose to get a much much cheaper obviously lesser pitcher. Or 2 if need be. Or better yet trade for one.
SFBay314
who are we trading for a #2? Can you list a few of the #2’s you think are available for trade?
No one even close to Burnes is available in trade, moreover we were .500 with Snell and he is now in LA. We need burnes to even sniff the playoffs
YourDreamGM
I’d much rather had Crochet Snell. Rather had Fried Luzardo if healthy. Yusei. Many of the 20 some million guys will be under 4 era.
Right now much rather have Cease. Castillo would be alright if not quite Burnes. Saving 200m I’d rather go as low as Perez Quintana. I’d call Rich Hill before giving this guy 245m.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Oh man Rich Hill. That is a hard ask at this point. Morton still unsigned?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
SFBay
Luis Castillo is the only number two possibly available for a trade. While the Giants got the better of the Robbie Ray for Mitch Hanuger deal IMHO, the Giants are not going to make a trade for Luis Castillo. It might cost Fitzgerald or Tibbs and that is not happening. I consider Keller a number four and Stroman a number four that no one seems to want. I could see the Giants acquiring Keller for someone like Luciano and/or Matos, two prospects who have fallen out of favor but still have real potential.
Buffett
If you go by ERA for a SP you are the rookie.
Edcheffsfungo
Technically the gmen only need 6 wins and 105 innings to replace Snell
RedFraggle
Fried Luzardo sounds delicious
Chrome
Only other real choice for them would be Flaherty.
Flaherty is a solid #3 possible number 2. Not an ace.. And injury history.
BUT no QO so no draft pick loses and would probably be something in the lines of 5 years maybe $140M
He was projected 3 years $72M so add 2 years and a bump up to $28M AAV from $24
Chrome
Luciano is not going anywhere except for someone named Bichette or better.
And yea the Giants could pay Bichette at 2nd.
Matzos won’t be traded for a pitcher, they would more likely use hi as the final piece for something blockbuster too.
Castillo was rumored to be straight up for Tristan Casas — .855 OPS for a 1Bman is not that impressive and is about what Luciano would be ( yea Casas is 24 but Luciano is 2 years younger and Matzos is 21.
Seriously — “Fall out of favor” at ages 21 and 22? Any organization that gives up on 21 and 22 year olds deserves to be the worst record in baseball forever.
2 cases in point.
Everyone was saying they should trade Heliot Ramos last year. Posey refused to trade a 24 year old, needed just a little more time.
Posey was right.
Faidi gave up on Joey Bart ( the draft just months before Faidi came in and Faidi worked HARD to get rid of all Giants bfore him ).
Bart went nuts in Pittsburgh — Posey was pissed. Faidi was fired.
Posey won’t give up on youth unless he gets youth in return, any suggestion he should will have that executive fired.
JoeBrady
.855 OPS for a 1Bman is not that impressive and is about what Luciano would be
=========================
I seriously doubt it. Luciano looks like an easy 200-K guy without enough power to make up for it.
Phree4u
Trevor Bauer is available for league minimum.
I hope someone signs him. He was railroaded and if he doesn’t get signed he should sue Mlb for a billion dollars.
danumd87 2
The only reason the pirates would trade Keller is if they were to receive a very strong return. You’re seeing these Castillo, Lopez, Keller types hitting the market entirely based upon the huge demand for SP and the teams floating those names looking for a corresponding overpay. Keller would require a substantially higher return.
Sunday Lasagna
@Buffett per a 2022 Stanford University study, in correlating various stats to winning games, ERA had the 2nd highest rank.
samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2022/MLB-Winning…
rottenboyfriend
Sonny Gray is available from Cincinnati! He’s 25M per year for another 6 years way cheaper than Burns and it’s a salary relief deal for Cincinnati so no major prospects lost!
Braves Butt-Head
There’s always a choice it’s not like Corbin’s agent has a gun to anyone. Does the name Stephen Strausburg mean anything how about Johan Santana, Jacob deGrom isn’t looking like a good deal right now. Point being is pitchers especially once they get in their 30s is like investing in Cryptocurrency they may hit or they may wind up like the Hawk Tuah girls coin (which if you invested your money in that woman’s coin you deserve to lose everything sorry but you literally won the Darwin award of finance)
chemfinancing
$18 beers? America is really an interesting place. I don’t think he will end up in SF. I can’t imagine them being the highest bidder and I also don’t know how motivated he his to play for the team. Picturing Baltimore to chase World Series or Angeles to ink the contract he wants
talking baseball
He went to college in the Bay Area and grew up in Bakersfield California !!!!
SF is his desired location and team. Numerous sports reporters and fans have stated this in 100’s of previous posts.
17dizzy
Burns would look Great in a Padres Uniform!
Plus —— Burns would love playing for Manager Mike Schildt!!!!!
17dizzy
(Burnes, not Burns —- sorry ‘bout that.)
BucksPackersBrewersWow!
Just spotted Burnes on a plane to Toronto. With Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
SFBay314
Heard he is going to be on the next episode of Shark Tank…hahah
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bucks
Morgan Fairchild is 74 years old and wouldn’t she be heading to Dallas?
paddyo furnichuh
I think Bucks was doing an old Jon Lovitz character.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Padd
What a relief, I thought “Bucks” was a pathological liar, like say, Tommy Flanagan.
Morgan Fairchild briefly played Jenna Krebbs (Wade) in the TV show “Dallas”.
letitbelowenstein
And she doesn’t call Corbin “Mr. Burnes”.
JoeBrady
Morgan Fairchild is 74 years old and wouldn’t she be heading to Dallas?
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I have no idea why they cannot do a re-run of Dallas. And Morgan Fairchild would make a pretty good family matriarch.
Redwolves3
Don’t forget John “Arson” Heyman’s on the plane too!
KnicksFanCavsFan
Boras has to recognize that his market is not what he thought it would be.
O'sSayCanYouSee
…cause it’s been better than expected so far??
KnicksFanCavsFan
@o’s
I don’t understand your point? I’m saying that Boras had to realize that the market he thought would be there for Burnes isn’t their anymore. Yanks, Dodgers, and Sox went in a different direction. They’re aren’t too many teams left that fish in that side of the pond.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Kinks — Ah, I get you. I was commenting more on price of pitching and speed of off-season market.
But yeah, loosing NYY and LAD reduces the market. But BOS, TOR and SF got those types of pockets, and theoretically, so does BAL with virtually 100 million till the first tax threshold. The money is out there, I think.
Pads Fans
Because all the pitching has signed for much more than anyone thought it would? Its December.
Redwolves3
Boras appears to be taking the same playbook with Burnes that was taken with Snell last offseason. Trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. How did that turn out for Snell?
The longer Burnes (Boras) takes to sign teams may go in another direction. If Burnes doesn’t sign soon Boras will drag his FA out until at least Spring Training.
Giants fans want Burnes. Burnes appears to want to be a Giant. Hopefully Burnes will tell Boras (like Chapman did) get the deal done & not continue dragging FA out any longer
billwood23
Angels will sneak in and get their ace
Rothbard
I really hope you’re right, the Angels haven’t given away a stupid contract in a few years so the world doesn’t quite feel right.
Burnes will be a 3.85-4.25 ERA guy making sick money somewhere.
Pads Fans
Burnes is coming off a 2.92 ERA season and his worst ever is 3.39. He is a top 5 SP in MLB. fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&lg… Get a grip.
gbs42
Burnes’ worst ERA ever is 8.82.
I know it was only 49 IP and back in 2019, but I was stunned by his turnaround the next year, posting an ERA (2.11) less than 1/4 of the prior season.
Reminds me of Roy Halladay, who had a 10.64 ERA in 2000 before becoming an ace for the next decade.
Phree4u
Look up Greg Maddux rookie year stats while you’re at it.
JoeBrady
the Angels haven’t given away a stupid contract in a few years so the world doesn’t quite feel right.
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They gave Stephenson $33M/3 because he had 16 good innings with TB, after 7 years of mediocrity.
Canuckleball
“Burnes and agent Scott Boras are shooting for Strasburg money”
I’m sure organizations are salivating at the opportunity to sign him to a Strasburg contract. Because that worked out well for the Nats. I know it’s just a comp, but that’s a terrible image to put in the heads of GM’s.
seamaholic 2
They won a World Series?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
That was before the contract. Sometimes you have to walk away from the table.
Pads Fans
Sometimes you have to realize that to win consistently you need to have the best pitching available. Burnes is better through this stage in his career than Cole was. He is one year older. So an 8 year deal with a similar AAV is common sense. What isn’t common sense is people saying GM’s should walk away from the table.
claude raymond
cmon Franco. can’t you guys get your facts straight. Signing Burnes WILL NOT cost an additional $500k. it’s just the 2 picks. The writers here only need to Google Qualifying Offer penalties. Cmon!
claude raymond
Competitive Balance Tax payors: A team that exceeded the CBT threshold in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year’s Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest picks as well.
rickoppelt
All he has done is prove that he is getting old. I’d be pissed if my team signed him. Is a contract for a rich team…. And stupid.
YourDreamGM
Unfortunately the rich teams aren’t nearly as stupid as they used to be. NY LA in world series so obviously know something and they went with better options. Mets git Stearns now so they shouldn’t be stupid and judging by their pitcher signings past 2 years they aren’t.
Burnes will have to depend on the next tier. Angels fit stupid but never spent mega on pitchers. Toronto is hungry for position player star but pitcher not so much. Boston traded for their arm. Giants I guess? Who knows what new management is. But ownership did approve that historical awful Correa contract.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yourdream
One can argue that setting financial limits or using year restrictions on who you sign is the worst use of the Mets’ greatest tool, which is Cohen’s cash. The Mets can afford to sign Burnes to an 8 year contract expecting the last 3 or 4 years to bring back diminished returns. Mets, like the Yanks, can absorb a bad contract and keep it moving. They know dang well that Soto’s last 5 years are going to be nowhere near the first 10, shoot they can exorcist a decline after just 7 or 8 likely. The Mets need to maximize the years before Soto’s opt out. Go for it and sign top SP instead of shopping in the dented items section. To me, aside from the Soto signing, he looks like Tarzan but fights like Jane. Can he honestly tell his fanbase they’ll be handicapped by a bad contract, especially after basically indicating to Boras that he had an open check book for Soto?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Very good point
YourDreamGM
He signed Soto because his marketing expert probably told him ticket sales will increase 200 to 300 thousand. And once you get those ticket holders they keep them unless given a reason not to. And with Cohen spending and having Stearns they probably won’t have a reason to leave. They aren’t worried about the opt out at all. They might want him to and sign a new exciting player or they simply pay him 4m or whatever it is to keep him. Like you said what’s 4m a year for Cohen.
Burnes era should go up. So Manaea Montas maybe even Holmes won’t be too far off from him. And for less years. Mets know what they are doing with pitchers. If they wanted to muscle Cohens $ Snell Fried were the pitchers to do it with. Even Cohen has a budget. You don’t want to put too much into a hobby. He might not even care about winning. Soto should already take care of ticket sales. Burnes isn’t filling many seats. Neither is Pete. He’s old news. Fans would like him back but Soto already filled the seats. Hopefully they get him back at a lesser number because I want to see him cry.
WadeBoggsWildRide
I also enjoyed this comment. I think Flaherty is the guy most teams should want.
YourDreamGM
Flaherty is political warrior. I personally don’t want someone turning off half the fans. If your fans are 80 90 percent one way than fine. Sign him. It’s a business though. The goal is to make $. That’s all that really matters. Curt Schilling was really good. But if he was as vocal and famous then as he has been after baseball would you want him if your goal is to make $? Flaherty might not be too bad yet but who’s knows after he gets a lifetime guarantee. He will be able to say anything without worrying about getting paid in future.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Didn’t know Flaherty was political beyond the players union snafu. He a commie?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yourdream
Here’s the funny thing. Holmes and Montas will be 32 by the start of the season, and Manaea will be 33. Corbin doesn’t turn 31 until October, which means he’ll be 30 for the majority of the season. I’m willing to bet that he’ll likely outperform all 3 for the next 3- 5 years. I’d rather gamble on 3-5 years of top-of-rotation production vs. what those 3 will likely do over the next 3-5 years. I just don’t understand how the Mets fanbase can be cool with them spending good money on scratch and dent guys rather than paying much more for a guy who’s likely to give you better production. Of course, injuries can happen to anyone, but the Mets can absorb that worst case scenario and keep it moving. If you’re going to flex, then dang it flex. Putting pressure on your GM to turn reclamation projects into a WS rotation is ridiculous. You just dropped $800 mil on one guy. Yeezus. And yes you need to replace Alonzo’s bat too.
YourDreamGM
I don’t know if he is a commie. Just know he runs his mouth and I want my pitchers to just keep their mouth shut and throw the ball. I am selling a product and don’t want any distractions or turning off potential customers. I’m all for freedom of speech but not when I am paying you to sell my product.
YourDreamGM
@KnicksFanCavsFan If you can’t improve pitchers then you pay for sure things. Mets aren’t worried about 5 years. Just 1 to 3 years. 245m buys a lot of reclamation projects. Mets may have wanted him. Cohen probably has some stopping point though. If not why he stop. Take it to a billion.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
You’re missing my point. You have the money to pay for sure things. It doesn’t mean you stop the efforts to find diamonds in the ruff but do so for the backend of the rotation and the bullpen. But the Mets need a bonafide ace like Burnes.
YourDreamGM
@KnicksFanCavsFan I didn’t miss your point. And I agree. Sign Burnes Snell and Fried instead of Holmes Manaea Montas if you can. Why not. But maybe Cohen has a stopping point. Maybe he doesn’t want to spend $ if he doesn’t have to. Maybe he doesn’t care about winning. Soto will sell my tickets. This rotation is good enough to make playoffs.
TheGr8One
Sotos opt out isn’t really and opt out mets can cancel it if he triggers it by adding 4 million per year to his remaining years. What’s 55 when you’re at 51? He’s a met this entire deal.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@TheGr8
I agree. But let’s use that $805 number going fwd.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
Then Mets fans have been duped. If he has the GM on a budget, then splurging on Soto wasn’t about building a winning team it was about the thrill of obtaining that next Picasso in an auction and saying “look at me. See what I just bought. “
Pads Fans
So old. He is 29 and is coming off a season with a 2.92 ERA. He is a top 5 SP the last 3 seasons and has been better through the same point in his career than Gerrit Cole.
What is stupid is not realizing those facts.
Chrome
Only drop was in striek out rate..
ERA stayed the same.
So strike outs was not his game, it was a bonus.
SO he actually proved he is better than people thought.
Send him to a park with gold glove infielders and watch what he does.
San Francisco would be a good fit for him there, especially since as a right hander the park effect against left handed hitters will help his long ball too.
Still I could see if he is obstinate, going for Flaherty at 5 years $140M
Old York
More greedy players.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Who are only outdone by greedy owners.
dpsmith22
and we keep paying to see them ..
Bart Harley Jarvis
It’s those greedy fans that really grind my gears.
letitbelowenstein
MLB, so Wal-Mart cashiers should make $75 an hour because the owner has a lot of money? What a generation.
SFBay314
ya those greedy players who live in penthouses and live like kings for 3-7 years to maybe get 20 at-bats in the majors one day.
Patriot12992
Or perhaps both sides are just playing in a free market charging prices and setting salaries that people are willing to pay?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Patriot- Not quite a free market. MLB is a monopoly and actually has permission to be one from the Government. Hence minor league contracts etc.
SFBay314
there is nothing free about the labor market for baseball players. See Qualifying offers, arbitration and super 2. It’s a market, but it is not free by any means.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Libertarians unite!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Boggs
Librarians unite! And free the bound periodicals.
(There I fixed your spelling for you.)
WadeBoggsWildRide
Libertybarons, Flibertyarians
twopitchmix
Great point
Chrome 8550
Judgement day is coming in December 2026. Baseball cba will end and l looking for a 2 year strike to wake up both sides. Some type salary cap or floor is needed before we have only 10 teams in mlb baseball. No matter what happens baseball fans always gets screwed in the end.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Chrome
I could not disagree more. Fans enjoy baseball. All aspects of life involve inequality. People inherit wealth rather than earn it on their own merits. The military protects the wealth of billionaires but the poor serve in the infantry. Big city teams have an edge in baseball, get over it and don’t sound excited about a strike cuz you feel bad for billionaires.
YourDreamGM
Cap would be better for the sport and fans of middle small markets. Won’t be in it. No one who matters wants it. Obviously fans don’t matter. Large markets have no interest in sharing their $. Players have no interest in a cap.
No baseball means a lot of lost $. Neither owners nor players want to lose $. It will be ugly. But they likely come to another agreement vs losing $.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
if neither side wants to lose money then why would either side go on strike? fans seem more upset about the situation than they do.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It depends how you define better for the sport. Each team could be owned by the fans in the city and every January 16th local fans could vote online for who to acquire with a roto draft of all players. It might be magical. But I would prefer not to tamper with pretty good, I like the game the way that it is.
YourDreamGM
@KnicksFanCavsFan strike lockout is a last resort. Everyone is doing fine right now. Only if one side is so stubborn would they stop baseball. Sure they done it in the past. But look what owners made back then. Look what franchises were worth. Most importantly look what players made. Until 1997 or so a player could get a real job that paid the same or close enough or at least half of what player minimum wage was. And many players make the minimum wage. Even the best of players were only making millions not tens of millions. It’s easier to strike if you are making 50 or 100 grand vs 700 grand. Good luck finding a 700k year job. Stoppage would no doubt hurt the owners. Would hurt the players even more. Owners have other investments and stash away a lot of $. More important they can own a baseball team until age 70 80 90 100. Baseball players a decade or 2 if lucky. First 2 3 in minors making little. Next 6 minimum wage. 2 year work stoppage you were going to hit free agency at 28 and now it’s 30. Yikes.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
I’m not suggesting that they should or would strike at all.
YourDreamGM
@KnicksFanCavsFan I know. If they never play baseball again I wouldn’t care. I have no idea what they will do. I would guess they work something out because it seems to be in their best interest. At worst I would agree to same exact thing instead of losing $. As a heel I might support the owners because majority will be with players. No one wants to pay to see fat okd owners play! I personally don’t care who the owners or players are. They are both easily replaced. Like the health crisis shutdown, I will just find something else to do and likely either more productive and or entertaining.
JoeBrady
fans seem more upset about the situation than they do.
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That’s because they are insane. I never once think about the money I spend on beer, once the money has left my hands. Both sides get paid billions.
Yet no small amount of fans think this is like real life with workers in sub-standard conditions, or owners trying to stay afloat against competitors in Malaysia with 20% of the labor cost.
Viveleempireevil
“People inherit wealth rather than earn it on their own merits”.
Really?
Got two words for you: Elon Musk.
gbs42
Vive,
It’s a broad generalization that’s largely accurate.
Did Musk start with nothing or money from his dad’s mining?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@chrome
Baseball is healthy, owners are making money and players are getting paid. Last I checked the Yanks and Dodgers have only been in the WS twice each in the last 20 years. Kansas City has been to the WS the same amount of times as either team. Get over it.
fred-3
Dodgers have been to 4 World Series, Yankees have been to 2, Red Sox (the third highest spender) have won 4. That’s 10 World Series right there in two decades.
Rsox
In those 2 decades you mention things have been fairly spread out rather than one or two teams dominating the game like the decade prior.
Teams to reach the World Series the last 2 Decades:
Astros 5 (2-3)
Braves 1 (1-0)
Cardinals 4 (2-2)
Cubs 1 (1-0)
Diamondbacks 1 (0-1)
Dodgers 4 (2-2)
Giants 3 (3-0)
Guardians 1 (0-1)
Mets 1 (0-1)
Nationals 1 (1-0)
Phillies 3 (1-2)
Rangers 3 (1-2)
Rays 2 (0-2)
Red Sox 4 (4-0)
Rockies 1 (0-1)
Royals 2 (1-1)
Tigers 2 (0-2)
White Sox 1 (1-0)
Yankees 2 (1-1)
If you go back to the start of the Wild Card era you can add the Angels, Marlins, and Padres to the mix. So 19 teams the past 20 years and 22 since 1995 means only 8 teams haven’t played in the World Series in the Wild Card era. That’s as close to an even playing as MLB has ever had
Jean Matrac
Interesting list. I think the problem with it is that it’s limited to WS appearances. I’m not going to look at PS appearances for every team on that list, but took two at random, one a team that spends, the NYYs, and one that doesn’t, the Brewers.
In the past 2 decades the Yankees have made the PS 15 times, the Brewers 8 times. The Yankees have 2 WS titles to zero for the Brewers. If the number of PS appearances were switched, it’s possible the Yankee might have zero to the Brewers 2, since the Brewers would have had more opportunities. Pure conjecture I know.
That said, I don’t believe the playing field is level, but I don’t see it greatly tilted either. The system is what it is. Every team has a chance, though some teams have somewhat better chances than others. It’s not going to change anytime soon.
Rsox
Yankees actually only have one championship in the last 20 years, which is the exact same amount as the Royals. Every MLB team has made the playoffs in the Wild Card era and only the Pirates have failed to reach at least one LCS in that time. The playoffs are a random tournament at this point, anyone can win and it’s usually whoever goes in hot rides the movement to the end
YourDreamGM
2 decades is irrelevant. Used to be rare for a team to go over luxury tax. Rare over 200m. Basically just Dodgers Yankees. Now every large city pretty much over 200m. Yeah inflation. Business growth. But no small market has spent above 130 or so ever. Same teams between 70 and 120 million 10 years ago are there now. Mid markets that were 120 to 180 are 10 years ago still there. If they are just pocketing the $ maybe force them to spend. If not more revenue sharing to force them to spend. Sure they can still win spending hundreds of millions less. It’s just much harder. 300m vs 100m isn’t fair. If I was a large market I wouldn’t want to give away my $ to the smaller markets. If I was a player I wouldn’t want a cap until the owners stopped spending. I don’t want NY LA to be limited. But the small markets would spend more. Not on me mr star player. They will just do “team friendly” extensions. Sign more average players. I want to be Soto! Not everyone can but that’s the thinking when you dream. But yeah as a small market if you become top 5 player development you can reach the world series. Heck KC even won 1. Good luck but it’s possible.
danumd87 2
That’s the weakest argument you can possibly make. The financial disparity is still what buys generally poorly run but rich teams like the Yankees the playoff opportunities they need to try and get to the World Series. It doesn’t but you championships but it buys you a ticket to being 1 of the 12 teams who get to play for a World Series opportunity each fall.
swtnes34
to add, MLB needs to do something about deferred monies. Several teams have deferred language in the contracts with their stars, while most have chosen (or restricted financially) to go down that road. But the Dodgers have over $1 B deferred with projected 2025 payroll of $282M, while teams like the Pirates, Rays, White Sox, etc, flounder at the bottom of team payrolls (~$60M) for the season, is competitively unbalanced., seemingly unchecked, and inherently unfair
WadeBoggsWildRide
So kind of like life?
JoeBrady
That has nothing to do with deferred salary. Anyone can do that. It is the equivalent of paying a player the going rate, and then borrowing the money back at 4.4%.
terry g
Get over it. No floor or salary cap. The players and the owner don’t want either of them.. They have other issues.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@terry
I feel they’re should certainly should be a salary floor, especially for teams that receive. revenue sharing from the bigger markets. Force them to put that money back on the field and not just in their pockets.
Pads Fans
The players want a floor and the owners want a cap.
The owners refuse to open their books so that the players know how much they are making, so there can never be a cap.
The players won’t allow a cap so the owners will always say no to a floor.
Although the players compromised by allowing a CBT with fines and the owners compromised by allowing a requirement for teams spending 150% of revenue sharing on CBT payroll.
Dash 2
I would like to see Yanks, Dodgers, Mets and all the other big-money teams moved to a league-or at least-division of their own.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Thanks but no thanks!
I’m glad the Dodgers won’t be overpaying for him.
Balk
Bahaha, while the Dodgers paid $180mill for a player who’s been healthy for two seasons out of his career?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Dodgers will make up for it with Roki next month.
Balk
Dodgers will make up for the terrible contracts by signing Roki next month? Haha! And if they don’t?
WadeBoggsWildRide
At some point you have to ask whether any contract can be terrible when you are working with a seemingly endless budget. They also signed Glasnow. And will resign Kershaw. If the money is meaningless does it matter how much they spend?
YourDreamGM
A better pitcher. LHP. Who strikes a lot of people out.
Balk
When he’s healthy for a half a season bahahaha
YourDreamGM
Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t even have to be half a season. Just October is only month that matters in LA.
WadeBoggsWildRide
If only they could get the entire starting staff healthy for October. How do you pick a guy not to pitch with that rotation?
YourDreamGM
Bullpen
Balk
What bullpen? There’s only 26 man roster, with that starting rotation, nearly all of them coming off injury riddled seasons, how do you hold on to them all? Snell, Kershaw, Yamamoto, Glasnow, Roki(maybe), May, Gonsolin, Miller, Knack, etc…going to be tough if options aren’t there.
Reynaldo's
Did he learn nothing from Blake Snell? They share the same agent too, tsk tsk tsk.
Pads Fans
You mean Snell who entered FA 2 years older than Burnes is now and that made $32 million last season and got a $36.4 million AAV and $182 million in his new deal? The one that will have made $214 million since becoming a FA when his deal is up at age 36? The one that is being paid more than double the $16.6 million he made in his final year with the Padres? That Snell?
thickiedon
Why aren’t the Cubs in pursuit? For a contending team making serious moves this offseason, they seem the most in need of an ace.
mad1
Cubs are a contending team
YourDreamGM
Who wants to pay 200m for declining strike outs. Lots of teams aren’t interested.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Jed is typically pretty quiet about his pursuit of exactly who he is going after. They may be going after him. My uneducated guess is he is pursuing Roki Sasaki.
Prunella Vulgaris
Cubs need an ace.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cubs have aces in Steele and Shota. What they need are guys for the 8th and 9th inning. Tanner Scott and Minter would be lots cheap than Burnes.
O'sSayCanYouSee
“San Francisco might offer the best blend of spending capacity and need for an ace.”
I mean, Orioles are further below the Tax threshold than SF, and Webb is probably a stronger pitcher than Grayson Rodriguez or Zach Efflin.
Come on Cal Ripken Jr., flex those new ownership muscles and get Burnes. If the Giants buy nice things for Buster… shouldn’t the Orioles buy nice things for the Iron Man?!
(Yes, I have a crocked-pot of cooked noodles, and will use wall space accordingly)
cwsOverhaul
SFG: Seriously, pull your offer. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes to Burnes and Boras. He can sign for a big market team or Balt at tens of millions less guaranteed. He wants no part of last place Toronto. Sometimes the high bidder isn’t who you want it most to be.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
At this point that’s a pretty standard AAV price point for a guy in Burnes’ position, it’s just a matter of years.
As for all y’all calling players greedy- that’s just the reality of the money in the industry. If you’re jealous or can’t comprehend it, that’s your problem.
I know people who think $60k a year is a king’s ransom.
I know people who think $1 million a year is an amount they can figure a way to manage if they’re creative and flexible.
I know people who think $100M is an okay amount but nothing special
It’s all relative.
A professional baseball player with Burnes’ track record has earned $35M per season end of story. Now-for 2 or 3 of 7 years, etc. is the real question.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
*$35M per for 2 or 3 or 7 years is the question.
Balk
I’m sure the Giants or Toronto will make an agreement with him in the next few days.
chaudk
Strasburg’s contract was 200m+ for one year of productivity and no positive war for the remainder of the contract….
WadeBoggsWildRide
Woof…
BITA
I agree Burnes probably goes to the Giants if not the Jays. If the Giants don’t sign Burnes I think they sign Flaherty. If the Jays dont sign Burnes I think they sign Bregman.
I would like to see an article about the gaps in spending between the coastal divisions and the central divisions. Only central team for AL or NL that seems to have improved is the Cubs and they still had to dump salary in Bellinger.
whitesoxsadness
I doubt he takes a pillow deal. If he gets hurt, he will lose a ton of money.
who is really in the race for him? That is the question. I can somewhat see the orioles doing it because they wont trade prospects and that division is tough. why would the giants do it? the only chance they have is a WC. could cohen get crazy again? a lot of unknowns and not many teams willing to do it.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Jays and SF are always 2nd tier spenders. I could see them going $220m. Red Sox have less need now so they should be at $200m. Orioles are a question mark but I don’t see them topping $200m, probably more like $180m. That doesn’t leave many teams. At that point it could be a 1 year pillow contract for just about any team. I’m rooting for the A’s!
bucsfan0004
Jays are the only team in MLB history to outbid Cohen for a player
fred-3
People want to blame the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers, but baseball would be dead without these teams. Only a few other teams other than them does what it takes to sign good players.
YourDreamGM
Not only that. Rooting against is a thing. Good to have villain.
nice pickup
Gotta admit, would be a nice pickup…
swtnes34
The problem players, most represented by Boras, have waiting for their deal is that teams are spending money…so what’s left in their till…
sfjackcoke
Needless to say Burnes makes any staff better, that said the SFG don’t “need” him. I suspect Burnes doesn’t sign until we find out where Roki Sasaki ends up going where SF is supposedly one of the teams he’s met with.
If the outlay for Burnes can get SFG Jack Flaherty + Ha-Seong Kim (2nd), neither whom have QO attached + play 2025 season as 29yo, I much prefer that. Adames will also play next year as a 29yo, so for a team that had been “old and slow” they’ve gotten younger, more athletic with what would be really talented infield. Kick Fitzgerald to the OF which makes for a quality defensive OF as well.
I don’t have a vibe for where this org is on Teoscar Hernandez or Anthony Santander. Obviously talented hitters, their gloves don’t profile well for Oracle park and both QO’s attached, my gut says they’ll pay the QO price for Burnes, likely though not anyone else.
WadeBoggsWildRide
SFG do need some kind of pitching. SD and Arizona are both as good or better teams as they stand now. I would definitely go the Flaherty/Kim road though. I am pretty surprised Flaherty hasn’t signed yet. Maybe the rest of the upper level of pitching is all waiting on the Dodgers to sign Roki.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@wade @sfjack
It makes ZERO sense for any team to wait and see what happens to Roki. Roki isn’t going to demand anything prohibitive and no position players at going to wait for those waiting on Roki to make their move, either. Consider Roki a bonus. Don’t count on it, but if you get him, then you’re in a great position. If you spend $230 mil on Burnes and you add Roki for a tiny fraction of that then you’ve had yourself an amazing winter. And certainly Burned isn’t going to wait either. He’s the proven commodity not Roki.
sfjackcoke
It’s not the teams waiting for Roki to clear, it’s the agents. It’s unusual to know a player is coming off the board on a specific date.
ColoradoSox
Question: would 3 years at $50m a year get his attention?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Yes but I doubt it is being offered.
Bivouac-Sal
sfjack
you’re talking about giving a guy 250 mill and you think the teams are worried about losing draft choices?
sfjackcoke
What I am saying is given a choice of Burnes @ Strasburg $$$ OR Jack Flaherty + Ha-Seong Kim, I choose the latter as there’s likely $$$ left over + you retain your picks.
It’s not draft choices in a vacuum, if they were to sign Burnes, that would make consecutive seasons SFG have signed 2 players with QO’s, in 2024 they went over the CBT as well so there’s the additional penalties associated with that.
Beyond the picks I was surprised just how much Burnes stuff has ticked down. Yeah he’s shown himself to be durable but the 3yr trend of decline in his advanced pitching metrics is troubling for the years/$’s he’s asking. If Burnes was the missing piece to the roster to contend for the NL West, a deep postseason run, I’d be all for signing him. Giants are not which is why IMO allocating those $$$’s to Flaherty/Kim gets SF two quality players in their prime, no QO.
YourDreamGM
Seriously. Are there really awful negotiators in the world other than in sports and sports journalism? I won’t make fun of you. I just want to know if they exist.
Because I don’t give a it what your asking price is. I will make you a offee with some wiggle room and if you don’t want to move I will move on. No idea why a team would care what a player and agent want. I’m the one writing the check. Only price that matters is mine.
FloridaSportsGuy
Now that is something that my dream GM would say.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Hahahaha! It is though isn’t it?
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
You’re literally living in a dream state. Every GM can take that stance. But it only takes 1 to say yes. If you’re a top FA, then it’s a sellers market. The trick is to hand a form grip on the market and to know when you’ve hit a wall. Teams aren’t going to wait you out of they have other options, even if they’re less than your client in terms of ability or stature.
YourDreamGM
Good. The best move of any team any gm was Cashman bidding up Soto. For the Mets Soto will see 200k more tickets. They have a tv deal to negotiate in 10 years. Takes more than a few years to build a brand and consumer base. But NYY has their deal. Ticket sales are great. It’s a good thing to make your competition over spend.
Even in your response it doesn’t matter what the player agent wants. If you really want someone and have to have them you just need to outbid what another team is willing to pay them. What the player agent wants doesn’t matter the slightest. They will take the best offer available even if it falls short. What did all Boras clients want last year? Don’t think many got anywhere close to what they wanted.
I would laugh at him when he told me what he wanted. And he would smile ear to ear at every press conference. Him and his players aren’t taking less $ no matter how I treat them. If you give me a ridiculous number I will just throw one in the other direction back at you to let you know what I think of yours. I hope someone makes massive mistake and gives you everything you want. If they don’t call me me when you are desperate and ready to take a fair price.
foppert3
Geez. It’s all so easy here on the internet.
YourDreamGM
It’s easy in real life. Obviously I am exaggerating how honestly I’d tell them what I think of their price. I negotiate all day everyday. Not only for my career but I am a unhealthy collector of many things.
1. Their asking price doesn’t matter. You only have to pay more than the 2nd best offer.
2. Research. Know what the thing you want to buy is worth. Never give your absolute final offer early. People enjoy negotiating. Go back and forth a little to make them feel like they won. Here’s maybe my best tip. Say you were more than willing to pay a grand and they say 800. Counter back with 700. You will get it cheaper and they won’t have sellers remorse. You may deal with them again.
3 Don’t get fomo. You did your research. You know the value. If someone wants to over pay let them. There’s always another. Fomo is what gets most people. They want it and right now. It’s difficult in baseball and art because it may be the only 1 available. You just need to pass and find a different piece that catches your eye.
Research and no fomo. That’s about it. I can give you a master class if need be but really that’s all you need.
Reyday
Oh gee Mr. Negotiator does this for a living like the GMs that have way more experience in this area don’t. Your comment is literally laughable, good luck signing future free agents with that style. There are 29 other GMs that will sacrifice their pride and ego to get the best players. I wouldn’t see you lasting long at all as a GM LOL.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
That’s not how it works in the real world. Not even close. Literally, keep dreaming.
TellItGoodbye
No way Soto equates to 200k more tickets. People don’t pay to see someone take walks, not run, and play dreadful defense. Most. Overrated. Player. Of. Any. Sport. In. History.
YourDreamGM
I do just fine. Fantastic even. Get everything I want and happy with the deal. Baseball gm is much easier. Simply whoever pays the most $ gets the player. It’s that simple most the time. Obviously if you are a loser team or player doesn’t like your city you can’t do much other than overpay or move on to someone else. And a desperate player looking to turn around career you need to sell them on why you are their best bet to help them. Burnes Bregman are going wherever they can make the most $. If that offer falls drastically short of their “asking” price like Bellinger Snell Chapman Montgomery they will still go to the best offer.
YourDreamGM
The baseball gms mostly do it just like I do. Look at how many players don’t get what they are asking. So gms don’t give a it what they are asking. Agents don’t worry about having a asking price unless the market is weak for their player. I have no idea what Soto asking price was because he just sat back and let teams bid like crazy for him. Problem with Burnes he isn’t impressed with the bid amounts.
YourDreamGM
I don’t find Soto that interesting personally. Mets fans seemed to have been excited. And if anything they think he makes team better which should sell tickets right? Hey I didn’t analyze it but I can see someone coming up with some figure on how much more revenue. I will predict ticket sales go up and won’t be surprised at all if it’s 200k. Zero research though so don’t bet any $ on it because of my opinion.
Fat Lever
Actually, although @Your Dream GM is a bit full of himself, what he says about the offer process is EXACTLY how it works in high end buy and sell business dealing.
I’ve brokered NYC commercial real estate-hotels, office bldg, etc–for twenty five years. The smartest buyers do their research, are not controlled by Fear of Missing Out, and only have to top the 2nd best offer. They don’t listen to agents or selling brokers or hyped up fan bases. They stick to their research and common sense. The amateur buyer listens to outside influences, is afraid of FOMO, and usually ends up getting taken.
foppert3
I’ll pass on the masterclass, thanks. I’d think about taking it if you were intelligent enough to recognise the difference in complexity when acquiring a human compared to an inanimate object. (like a collectible)
Just a small point you might need to consider next time you are shamelessly promoting yourself on the internet.
Salzilla
You’d sign no one with that strategy.
YourDreamGM
I’d be just fine. What are they going to take less $ just because they don’t care for me? And I am exaggerating. I would say the same thing but would put it nicely. It’s hard to believe but I am cable of being nice sometimes. 245m? We don’t have the financial flexibility to do that. If Burnes really wants to be a part of what we are doing here and willing to work with us I am confident we can work something out in the future. How’s that? That’s the nice way of saying we see that plummeting strike out rate and 245m is ridiculous but if you can’t find another team stupid enough to pay you feel free to come crawling back to us.
bjhaas1977
Enjoy Canada!
MagicOriole
Baltimore needs him the most and Corbin Burnes fits there the best but they’re too smart to give him what he wants. It’s a catch 22.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Great book.
WadeBoggsWildRide
You’ve got flies in your eyes if you think Baltimore is meeting that price Mr. Burns.
fred-3
Baltimore needs a vet in their line-up to help out their vanishing postseason offense
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Anthony,
Why is Corbin Burnes the “remaining headliner in the free agent class” if Alex Bregman is also still unsigned?
ThonolansGhost
Burnes will certainly get more money.
foppert3
My guess is Corbin wants to be a Giant and the Giants are playing hardball because of that. Probably brought about by losing money last year.
Emphasis on “guess”
oldgfan
I see SFG sitting at 6/225 with the years being the issue. Burnes wants to play there and Boras is trying to wait it out for more years. Stick to your offer Buster.
claude raymond
The rumor for some time has been Burnes wants an opt out in his contract and SF does not. I believe that’s the hold up.
Butter Biscuits
Giants are hoping Roki gets them off the hook overpaying for Burnes salary demand.
Pads Fans
Slightly less than I thought. I was thinking he was asking for Snell’s $36.4 million AAV and 8 years or $252 million.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
AA has been quiet so far. Is Burnes the dark horse?
braveshomer
When Derek Lowe is the highest FA pitcher signing in Braves history i doubt it lol (i may be wrong but pretty sure it’s Lowe)…I’d argue of all the “Contenders” Braves need him the most. Lost more talent with a bunch of questions marks everywhere else. But no highly doubt it’ll happen, hopefully I’m wrong.
TellItGoodbye
Hoping the Giants let someone else overpay. We don’t need him.
Pads Fans
You are right. The Giants can finish in 4th place in the NL West without Burnes.
scottn59c
Quite possibly with him, even.
Candlestoked
Satisfaction
came in a chain reaction
Nosferatu Zodd
I have Orioles bias mind you. The Orioles need him. Ownership needs to prove that its not just Angelos 2.0(I take exception to this because Peter did spend at first.) Still the fan base believes it. The need is there. Red Soxes are on rise, and the Yanks are still the Yanks. The most important thing is to show the young core that the Orioles are serious.
geotheo
You mention the young core. They will need to be taken care of in the not too distant future. Some of the pending free agents in future years
2025-Eflin, Mullins, Dominguez
2026-Mountcastle
2027-Rutschman, Bautista
2028-Henderson Bradish
2029-Grayson Rodriguez, Cowser, Westburg
Obviously the Orioles can’t sign everyone and there are potential replacements in the system ( Basillo for Rutschman, Bradfield for Mullins, Mayo for Mountcastle). But giving a 7 year or so contract to Burnes will make it more difficult to retain the young core. Better to use the 245 million on a everyday player than someone who only plays 32 times a year out of 162
4thinfsgt 2
Blake Snell? Who’s that? You mean Snake Blell?
BronxBombers23
Glade that the Yankees signed Fried and will sign Sasaki! Cole Fried Sasaki Rodon Gil
hyraxwithaflamethrower
If he gets it, it’ll just be more evidence that pitching salaries are out of control. His K rate is down each year since 2021 and his WHIP rate is up each year. His FIP is good at 3.81 and 3.55 the last two years, but not elite. All this has led to his fWAR going from 7.5 in 2021 to 3.4 and 3.7 the last two years. Again, good, but not elite.
He appears to be showing signs of fading and I think this contract will be an albatross long before it’s done. A smart team would try to sign him to a higher AAV, but on a shorter deal. If he won’t accept that, then go elsewhere, whether via trade or lesser options or pivoting to addressing offensive holes.
RickEO
Never sign a pitcher for more than 5 years in their 30s
Rww59
Bluejays 8yr270m
Human Being
I’ll take $20.
Salzilla
I didn’t comment directly on this last night, because I was a little incredulous on what I was reading in the comments and tired, but if you don’t think Burnes should get more than Fried, that’s nuts. Because his K’s declined??? He still struck out 180 and a lot of his stats were in line with his career. Pretty much all of it better than Max. This guy has also been a workhorse ace, what are we talking about? I hope the dude gets paid, whether it be the Giants, Jay’s, or O’s. I’m glad the O’s fans who saw him all year last year value him.
JoeBrady
Because his K’s declined???
====================
They haven’t just ‘declined’. They declined consistently and precipitously.
13.3/9>10.8>9.3>8.4.
And K%-BB% is also a pretty good indicator of success and Burnes was #24 last year.
dubinsky
some team or other will pay $245M
as usual, it’ll be a question of whether the player desires top dollar more than likelihood of immediate team success
jaysfan77
Rumour is the jays have had the highest bid, and the Burnes camp is waiting on SF to match. He’d prefer the west coast.
Wrian Washman
Yankees should’ve just coughed up an extra 30M then. 218-245 is not a massive gap in AAV.
Whyme
Burnes said it just isn’t about $ but also Farm system so Toronto is out 100%.
LFGSD619
It’s a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for him.
Gmen777
Giants should just bite. Burned asking for $245M when Fried got $218M really isn’t a ridiculous ask.
johncoltrane
$245+ for 30yr old probly in decline
No thanks
Yossi Ronnen
To quote the dead guy from Taken: “Good luck”.