The Blue Jays are taking trade calls on Bo Bichette, writes Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic. While Rosenthal cautions that Toronto is not actively shopping their shortstop, he reports that the Jays are willing to deal Bichette if another club meets a lofty asking price.
That’s a change from last month. At the GM Meetings in early November, general manager Ross Atkins told Jon Morosi of the MLB Network that any trade calls regarding Bichette would be “an easy no.” When a GM publicly shoots down trade rumors regarding a player to that extent, they rarely reverse course.
The biggest exception in recent years came when Juan Soto was a National. Washington GM Mike Rizzo said in June 2022 that the team was “not trading” the outfielder. Two months later, Soto was a Padre. Circumstances changed in the interim, as Soto rejected a $440MM extension offer a couple weeks before the deadline. (That decision proved wise considering the amount of money he landed in free agency two and a half years later.)
Toronto’s circumstances have also changed since Atkins said he wouldn’t consider a Bichette deal. The Jays acquired Andrés Giménez from the Guardians last week, taking on nearly $100MM on his five-year contract to do so. Giménez is the game’s best defensive second baseman. He has won the AL Gold Glove award at the keystone three years running. He came up as a shortstop prospect and didn’t fully move off that position until 2023.
Giménez has elite range, sure hands, and above-average arm strength. He could probably handle shortstop and may well remain a plus defender there. That seemed like Toronto’s long-term plan when they acquired him. Giménez would play second base for his first season with the Jays, then kick over to shortstop once Bichette hit free agency next winter.
That still seems the likeliest outcome. However, Rosenthal notes that the Jays could deal Bichette while signing Alex Bregman to pair with Giménez on the left side of the infield. Toronto has come up empty on its pursuit of top-tier free agents thus far. They’re among four to six teams that are reportedly in the mix on Bregman, who is easily the best unsigned position player. To be clear, Rosenthal didn’t characterize a Bichette trade as being conditional on the Jays signing Bregman. He simply floated that as one potential sequence of outcomes.
The Jays have Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Giménez, and Bichette lined up at three infield spots. Third base is less settled. Toronto has a collection of upper level infielders who are either light on MLB experience or project as utility types. Ernie Clement would probably get the bulk of the playing time. Orelvis Martinez, Addison Barger, Will Wagner and Leo Jiménez could also vie for reps.
That’s not a group that’d stop the Jays from adding Bregman. They’d have room on the roster for the star third baseman even if they hold Bichette. Dealing their shortstop would open spending room for the upcoming season while potentially bringing back MLB-ready outfield or pitching talent. Bichette is under contract for $16.5MM in his final year of club control.
At the same time, teams could be reluctant to package significant talent after the worst season of Bichette’s career. He’s coming off a dismal .225/.277/.322 showing over 336 plate appearances. He landed on the injured list three times and only appeared in half the team’s games. A pair of right calf strains were the biggest issue. He also broke his right middle finger late in the year and required minor surgery.
That terrible season came out of nowhere. Bichette has otherwise been one of the league’s best middle infielders since he debuted in 2019. He’d hit above .290 and reached 20 homers in each of his first three full seasons. Bichette went into the ’24 campaign with a career .299/.340/.487 slash line in more than 2300 plate appearances. He garnered down ballot MVP votes each year between 2021-23.
Teams don’t know which version of Bichette they’ll get in 2025. That’s also true of the Jays, who are wary of selling low on a star talent. Toronto has never seemed optimistic about their chance of signing him beyond next season, but they’re going into ’25 with the hope of competing. Trading a potential All-Star shortstop for prospects wouldn’t align with that goal. If they fall out of the race, they could market him at the deadline. The best scenario (short of an extension) would be a rebound year from Bichette that helps to keep Toronto in contention and allows them to make a qualifying offer next winter.
The Jays’ willingness to hear teams out on Bichette — even if an offseason trade remains unlikely — boosts a very thin shortstop market. Willy Adames was the top free agent. He went to the Giants, the team with the clearest combination of positional need and payroll flexibility. Ha-Seong Kim, who is recovering from labrum surgery that’ll force him to begin the season on the injured list, is the only other potential regular on the open market. There aren’t many obvious trade candidates. The Braves stand out as the contender with the biggest question at shortstop. The Tigers, Angels, Mariners, Padres and Pirates could also stand to upgrade at least one middle infield position (though the final three clubs might each balk at the $16.5MM price point).
Low IQ Angels Management
Because you’re a femboy.
NYCityRiddler
Biggio is now practicing in front of the mirror for his next profession (exact change only please) & Bichette isn’t far behind him. Maybe Guerrero can tack on another 10-15lbs this year so he can move juuuuuust a little bit slower, perhaps they can even bring 1st base to him. Atkins & Shapiro aren’t qualified to manage a coffee shop much less an MLB team, other than that the future looks bright in Toronto. Ahahahahaha!
Unclemike1526
Femboy- If you’re a Winnipeg Jets fan you are OK. You didn’t specify. Your loss is being on ” I came in second for every FA” Blue Jays.
bucsfan0004
Believe it or not, the Jays outbid Uncle Stevie a few years back for a player
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So basically they think Bo Bichette’s terrible performance last year wasn’t a fluke or bad luck and though he will likely bounceback somewhat, he is not the 1-2 punch with Vlad, Jr. that they initially had hoped and he’s better off as a reclamation project in new surroundings and he will be lucky to get any kind of long term deal sometimes down the line rather than being a guy you try to lock up long term at a relative discount like they are trying with Vlad, Jr. or like the Nats tried with Soto.
TheBoatmen
I think it is more that they couldn’t get free agents to sign this year and it would be running it back out there with lesser players than last year when the playoffs were missed. Makes sense to get what you can now to accelerate a rebuild. The Jays don’t have much in the upper farm system to start a rebuild with. When Vladdy and Bo are gone there is not much left.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
They’d be selling as low as possible on Bichette, which they appear to be open to, which speaks volumes about how low his stock is, how little faith the Jays- who know him best-have in Bichette to not only rebound next year, but be worth signing long term beyond 2025z
MoneyBallJustWorks
I’m not sure this team does know their players best. they have an incompetent front office and manager.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I know what you mean, but I mean the medical records, the observations of their training staff, their medical staff, etc. provides more info than any raw numbers do- which is often why a well paid player might have a very good walk year and the team will not pursue any kind of a reunion, the player signs elsewhere- and magically loses their power, their average craters, etc. and what looked like a slam dunk re-signing at top dollar becomes a sage move to let that player go.
CFS77
Nothing shows that to be true @Trill. He had 3 strong years and 3 injuries at 26 derailed him.
He will be 28 as a F/A and they are looking to sell his last year of control. They most likely are looking at Vlad Jr and want to invest that direction and move their 2B over to SS as that is a stronger D option.
They need to change some stuff up.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
True, nothing shows that to be true, except for the 2024 season. Other than that, no evidence whatsoever and a seamless, perfect track record of healthy productivity and reliability- same as Byron Buxton.
Pete'sView
TrillionaireTeamOperator —
Plus Bo will need to play at 2b from here on out because his glove’s no longer SS material. I believe his bat will bounce back, but thinking of him as a one-year rental at second base means the Jays should lower their trade sights a bit. My guess is they hold on to him and hope for a bounce back—with him at second.
rennick
I think they kinda have to consider trading their guys since they haven’t been able to sign marquee free agents the past few years. They always seem to miss out
bestone
rennick….and they can’t draft either…
SHARKmapiro
They’ve signed Springer, Gausman and Bassitt in free agency the past few years. Those were big free agents. Stick to the facts.
FanDan
Luis Arraez, Robert Suarez, Eguy Rosario and Isaiah Lowe for Bichette.
Salzilla
That’s way too much after last season…
KnicksFanCavsFan
Why in the world works your trade Arraez for Bo?
I get it… batting average…old timey. Don’t care. The only players with higher batting average than him in the last 75 years are Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn, and Rod Carew. This guy’s hitting talent and bat to ball eyes are extremely undervalued.
Ducey
Less of a concern than your support of Russian Femboy Sports
I’m looking forward to the collection of light hitting infielders Atkins will bring back for Bo.
enteluj88
“We brought back 144 years of team control.”
thegreatgoodbye
Mets-BlueJays need to make an insane deal. Bichette-Vlad for Acuna/Jet Williams/Batty/C Scott/M Allan
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@thegreatgoodbye as much as I would love to have both players, that is just way too much to give for 1 year of team control for each player. I feel that a package of Acuna, Ryan Clifford, and Baty for those 2 would be fair but I don’t see the BlueJays accepting it
thegreatgoodbye
I hear. TOR wants pitching. Maybe flip Clifford for C Scott and add in a McNeil or Maurico and it should work. I’m just thinking as a Yankee fan, if the Mets won’t sign Alonso, if you have Soto, you have to win. Yankees made the mistake by acquiring no one at the deadline.
scissormetimbers
Also, Ross Atkins isn’t rebuilding this team, it’s his last year as an mlb GM. He’s desperate for win now moves.
Old York
@RussianFemboySportsFan!
Winnipeg Jets fan?
Unclemike1526
Oh. Then that’s bad. Their owner makes trades based on Madden ratings.
Big whiffa
Choose ?!? The heart wants what the heart wants lol
just_thinkin
Jays are starting to realize that no one wants to sign there this off-season, and hopefully they make the correct call to blow it up.
Guys like Santander are better off going to an up-and-coming team like the Nats, and his body will appreciate not playing on turf.
And big pitchers would rather sign somewhere with a better chance at winning.
Blow it the hell up man.
bestone
Need to start from the top…first change out the two dudes from Cleveland
cwilcox43
I agree with this. However, the turf isn’t that bad. I’ve played on that stuff before and it’s actually great to play on. It’s very soft landings now. Turf has come a long way even from the field turf used in the mid 2000’s
kbj27
Shatkins missed their window for signing Vladdy longterm. Bo has never been happy with the clowns running the team. They do need to blow it up and start a proper re-build.
The issue is the ownership…. Rogers only cares about money, nothing else. They spent a ton on upgrading the stadium (hence why Shappy was never fired)
Rogers wants the stadium to become an amusement park… they don’t care about winning
JoeBrady
They were #5 in payroll with $258M last year.
CTS4
You cannot believe anything that spews out of shapiro or the lackie atkins mouthes…
Snakes both of them !!!
Rsox
It would seem Toronto waited a year too long and could have pulled in Soto-type hauls for Guerrero and Bichette, now they’d be lucky to get half and will probably only draft pick compensation when they reject qualifying offers next winter
MoneyBallJustWorks
I’m sure if they decide to move Vlad they are getting a top 50 prospect. a guy who can hit 30 and 40 (even at 1st) isn’t common these days.
SHARKmapiro
Nobody saw the terrible year they had last year coming so why would they have moved their best 2 players? This is one of those hindsight comments, “they should have done this because now I know what happened”. Lame.
The_Porcupine
They are in a tough spot. There are only a couple teams (sea, atl, sd) that need ss and have win now players to trade. If the jays are still trying to avoid rebuilding.
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@The_P
I think it’s fair to add the LADs to that mix. I realize they’ve penciled in Mookie for SS again, but that also seems a somewhat flexible plan, should alternatives present themselves…..
nacb55
I agree with the Dodgers. They have lined up with the Jays on a number of trades in the past, love getting players who are about to hit free agency… plus they have a lot of edge players who are good pieces but won’t crack their line up or rotation. A few from the 40 man roster that I can see being moved as they need to make some space:
Position players:
Outman*
Cartaya*
Lux*
Taylor*
Pitchers:
Grove
Hurt
Knack
May*
Miller*
Wrobleski
The * are for the players who have had some high prospect pedigree. I don’t think Taylor can be moved but I imagine the Dodgers wouldn’t mind bundling him into a deal and providing some higher tier prospects to off-load him to bring back Kike.
I’d say a Miller (or Lux), Taylor, Cartaya for Bo could make a good amount of sense. It frees up some roster space while providing better upside for a SS and move Mookie to 2b.
Motor City Beach Bum
The Tigers could use/afford both Bichette and Vlad and dump their incumbents at those positions. If the Jays need a young 2B and pitching the Tigers are stacked at both positions.
Bob Sacamano 310
Makes sense. Play Giménez at SS then
Old York
Jays better hope that Guerrero and Bichette have decent performances this year so they can trade them at the deadline. Seems like a waste to just let them go to FA in hopes of getting a draft pick. If anything, I’d expect them to trade Guerrero, given he would bring back a lot in a trade. I think they should trade him to the Mariners, as they need some help with the offense. However, given that the M’s probably don’t expect to sign him, they probably won’t take that risk.
Mets and Cubs have a decently ranked farm system as well and they both need 1B help, so I could see them being involved in a trade.
SHARKmapiro
It’s funny people make comments like this under the assumption they are going to be a terrible team. They need to add a closer, a couple BP arms and a power bat and they can compete in the ALE if their top guys stay healthy.
Dustyslambchops23
They need a starter, 2-3 bullpen pieces, and 2 impact bats.
Not impossible, but they are not close to competition for the division with the current roster
friesTO
seems they would have to land another hitter to be attractive again. Giménez probably helped with that. But if they’re not attractive enough outside the Jays bubble then they are sellers. But this is Atkins/Shapiro it’s hard to expect actions above mediocrity
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Wouldn’t be surprised if Bo gets traded before the season.
Maybe the Dodgers will package Muncy with some prospects and then target Arenado
johncoltrane
First 4 yrs of his career bo looked like an elite superstar. Not sure if being on the hapless bluejays sucked the life outta him or its injuries but his star faded way too soon. Still young enough to bounceback. But the superstar potential is likely gone for good
SHARKmapiro
It was one bad year where he was basically playing hurt or missing time due to being hurt. Get a grip.
MoneyBallJustWorks
i think this is part of it. they are striking out on plan a-d and know Bo is not signing here long-term so best to try and shop him now because if he has a similar season to last year or is hurt, they get almost nothing at the deadline or are forced to extend a QO which (if he has two down years) could be a risk.
Dustyslambchops23
High end draft pick, strong MiLB performance, 4 straight years of a quality batting, 1 bad year and you think his superstar potential is gone?
Makes absolutely zero sense
johncoltrane
Final 2 months of 2023 bo hit 2 hrs, .250 avg
2024 was more than just bad
It was beyond disastrous
I didnt say his careers over
I said his star has faded
Toronto’s lucky they didnt extend him
Dustyslambchops23
So the last 2 months of 2023 are worth more than than the first half of the season when he batted .317 with 38 XBH?
Just need a sense of these arbitrary rules you are playing with.
30 Parks
Jays front office, in general, has a poor sense of timing.
Salzilla
What is Bichette fetching after that season, though?
MoneyBallJustWorks
maybe still a club’s 4-7 prospect or a 3rd starter.
Motor City Beach Bum
2B Jung and 3rd starter Olson from Detroit.
KamKid
The Jays would have to say yes to that offer. That trade doesn’t just make them better in the future, it makes them better in ‘25. I’d be really upset to hear any news that a package like that was turned down by Atkins.
towinagain
I have a bizarre feeling the Padres are in on this.
Yes, they need a shortstop, but it doesn’t feel like a good fit but this is exactly the kind of move Preller would make.
Blue Jays and Padres match up in an MLB talent for talent blockbuster type deal.
Cronenworth, Cease, Salas, prospects for Bichette and Guerrero.
Crazy but even if it isn’t that combo the Jays and Padres match up.
towinagain
These two teams haven’t matched up in a significant trade since the Joe Carter/Alomar for McGriff/Fernandez deal.
A deal involving Salas has the feel of the Alomar deal.
Both teams would really benefit in a trade.
enteluj88
First thing I thought of, too.
rememberthecoop
Jays aren’t moving Guerrero. At least I don’t think they will.
Doral Silverthorn
of course the Padres would be involved. They trade for every big name in the game and sign the rest and see what sticks. It’s always been that way under Preller yet the Dodgers get the heat here because of deferrals and actually being a successful franchise while doing significantly less than the Padres. Take a look at the names.
Ohtani
Freeman
Betts
Snell
vs
Soto
Machado
Hader
Cease
Bogaerts
Scott
Darvish
Musgrove
They got Pomeranz when he was good
and that’s just off the top of my head
The list is even longer if you add the “once good, let’s try” names like Gary Sanchez and Profar.
It’s always the Padres.
Butter Biscuits
First team I thought of
Catch tha Taste
Jays love to sell low on players and Bo couldn’t have any less value right now, so I’m sure a deal will happen. Any trade news should scare Jays fans, Aitkins has a horrible record of losing trades.
Ducey
I dont like Atkins either but his strength has been making trades for ML players. He did well at the deadline.
His problem is his maths get in the way of drafting properly, trading for prospects and valuing free agents. This is important in TOR as “Canada” scares a lot of players and they do not have an unlimited budget. They need impact prospects coming up all the time.
NoSaint
@Ducey
Gotta disagree with this one. The FO decision making regarding FA’s has been above average while trading, on the other hand has been pretty horrible.
When the FO traded JA Happ they got back Drury and McKinney. When they traded Kikuchi, again the best available LH SP, they got back a collection of forgettable 4A and AAA types. Remember DeJung? 40-summin PA’s before they cut him. It’s a long list of failure when it comes to their trading history.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Anybody think HSK could be a good buy low candidate for at worst a SS/2B/3B backup option for the Cubs? With Shaw at third and Nico coming off surgery, could be a good move depending on HSK’s timeline himself. I’m sure Jed will wait out his market until it’s peanuts.
rybowski
There are a lot of “no one wants to sign in Toronto” comments here. Aside from Soto (who got the biggest contract in MLB history), who have the Jays missed out on this off-season?
Jays_Jen
It’s getting so old. That and that “pLaYeRS gEt pAId in CaNaDiAN $$….aNd tHE tAxEs, oh no!” These people likely know nothing about TO, and probably cannot even point it out on a map.
KamKid
I think there’s something to it. I don’t blame free agents for not knowing what they would be signing up for. There isn’t a lot of clarity about the direction of the club.
KnicksFanCavsFan
If a magic genie appeared from nowhere and dropped a 2/$36 post on the table with a team option for $25/$5 buy out, who reaches for the item first?
Jay’s are in a rough spot. I don’t think teams are scared to acquire him but the Petoskey cost would be low. They would be selling him low. He could rebound and have a great walk year or he can continue to struggle and the Jay get virtually nothing. O would suggest holding on to him and see what he does by trade deadline. Bad thing is, he’s skates to make @ least $17 mil next year.
JoeBrady
Ross Atkins told Jon Morosi of the MLB Network that any trade calls regarding Bichette would be “an easy no.”
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That’s a bad attitude. I get that they are trying to keep the window open for one last year, but that doesn’t mean that you ignore all long-term improvements. I’d probably keep him rather than sell low, but I’d be opening to listen.
SHARKmapiro
He said that because he’s potentially negotiating a long term deal with Bo. If he says he’s taking calls then Bo is as good as gone and once teams know that they’ll offer peanuts to acquire him because they can just sign him next off-season.
KamKid
I wonder who those statements are for. Is that a statement made to other front offices? To free agents? I sometimes think it’s a statement made to assure fans they are trying to win and personally, don’t find it reassuring at all that in a fairly weak position, he’s not open to any way to improve the organization.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
I’m guessing Bo to the Dodgers for a package with Muncy and some prospects in return and then the Dodgers will turn their attention to Arenado
El Kabong
That won’t happen. The Dodgers are not trading Max Muncy.
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@Mystery
Why would the Dodgers trade Muncy to open room for Arenado–the far more expensive–and notably lesser offensive–player?
I could see the Dodgers pursuing a Bichette deal to move Mookie to 2B (where he belongs), and offering Lux plus some arms to get it all done.
But Muncy is going to be a Dodger for the next season (at least).
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Because they will be getting Bo and Arenado.
El Kabong
You are overestimating Bichette’s value. For 2025, I would rather have Lux at 2B and Betts at SS. The Dodgers also have Freeland waiting in the wings as SS. That means they do not need Bichette now or in the future.
friesTO
Agree, I watched the Dodgers this year as a compensation for watching the Jays, and they were really happy to have Muncy back. His absence when he was injured allowed even Biggio to be a Dodger for a while.
So this is a team that had a revolving door of players just to stay above water and challenged for the WS, and that worked. So adding depth wouldn’t be impossible. Also given that SS players are in short supply.
Highly hypothetical given the costs though
Astros_fan_in_Aus
In a team as strong as the Dodgers, Bichette would be a liability at shortstop.
GarryHarris
I’m guessing LAD, LAA, SEA, NYY, ARI, ATL or the other 23 teams.
SHARKmapiro
The Jays are nowhere near as bad as people on this site make them out to be.
Strengths: starting rotation is top 5-10. Up the middle defense maybe the best with Giminez and Varsho. 2 stars in the lineup.
Weakness: bullpen, missing power bat.
They’ve had 1 bad year in the last 5. And if things go south they move Bo,Vlad,Bassett,Swanson,Green at the deadline and rebuild.
Old York
@SHARKmapiro
They had the best defense last year and pitching was decent but that got them into last place in the ALE and near the bottom of the AL. Team has more than enough defense and pitching. Their problem is a lack of offense. So, yes, the whole team could be GG winners but if it doesn’t translate into wins it doesn’t matter that they apparently saved runs. A loss is a loss.
Canuckleball
The Jays starters last year ranked anywhere from 15th to 20th in the majors in most stats. Their bullpen ranked 30th, only because there were no lower numbers available.
To sum up, they had a mid range rotation, a torchable bullpen, and a remarkably ineffective offense.
And they traded away their second ‘best’ hitter last year for a more expensive glove-only infielder.
SHARKmapiro
Where did the Jays rotation rank 2 seasons ago? Basically the same group…
Canuckleball
One of the starters last season (I think Bassitt but could be wrong) mentioned in a pre/post game scrum how tough it was on starters last season. They went out to the mound every game knowing they had to try for a shutout. The bullpen was likely to give up 2 or 3, and the offense could rarely score more then a couple, if that, so if the starter gave up any runs, the game was likely lost. As a result, the starters were all trying to be perfect and struggled as a result.
The offense currently projects to be worse. The pitching talent is there, but with no offensive support, the pitching won’t matter.
Old York
@Canuckleball
Which is ridiculous why they are doubling down on defense first. Now the pitchers are going to have to throw no-hitters every game because the offense won’t be there.. Probably still end up losing, even if they throw a no-hitter because someone will walk, steal a few bases and store on a pass ball.
Dustyslambchops23
Jays were 29th last year by measure of starters and most common relievers.
Don’t let facts get in your way of a good story
SHARKmapiro
Go back 3 seasons and tell me their ranking.
Don’t come at me with cherry picked small sample size arguments.
1 bad year in last 5. Fact.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
So your argument is they are crap now, but they were good years ago ?
Hank Murphy
Simpler than that
Weakness: Offense and Coaching (over using the pen)
KamKid
I don’t know how you can be so bullish on this rotation. Their three vets all had xERAs in the mid to high 4s. They lost Kikuchi. I think you have a fairly good idea of Berrios and Bassitt. Both will provide innings but will need the offense to win you a game. Lineups with lots of left handed hitters give these guys problems. Especially Bassitt. Berrios has improved in that regard. The other three guys have high variance outcomes. Gausman was once a high K ace like pitcher but his fastball declined so much last year which is kind of a problem when he’s pretty much a two pitch pitcher and the fastball is the only one he throws for strikes. Can he get his fastball back? He’s a guy who relies on pure stuff more than pitchability and is going into his age 34 season. I don’t know how much I think there’s a resurgence to ace like form coming. Francis won games on his own, but is that how you are realistically projecting him? Is Yariel Rodriguez a starter? So sure, if Rodriguez can take another step, Francis continues to turn heads with a bunch of no hit bids, and Gausman turns back the clock, there’s a solid front 5. But what’s after that? Some of their success has been in the uncanny durability. Maybe that’s not luck because they targeted durability, but beyond those guys the depth options that would have been timed for 40 man/AAA depth are injured or were recently delayed by injury, or are acting as 40 man depth for the Twins, Athletics, and Cardinals. Then even if the starters are handing a lead over to the bullpen, it doesn’t feel likely that it’ll often be a big lead and the pen isn’t particularly good.
I get that players can outdo their projections. But sometimes you have to be realistic and look at the likeliest outcomes as opposed to the most optimistic ones when you are projecting your roster and planning a direction.
wayler
Bo’s gonna go back to being Bo this year, When Mattingly took over as “offensive coordinator” he brought in a new “approach and no one — especially 1-3, Springer, Bo, Vladdy, could hit a lick. Vladdy eventually found his stroke but Bo got hurt (twice) and never recovered. Springer was — well, Springer. Mattingly is no longer the offensive boss and G. Martinez is gone as hitting coach so I’m expecting Bo to do his thing and I have a feeling management is thinking the same.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Way
I wouldn’t be so quick to put that on Mattingly..Bo had 3 straight above average seasons. I can’t see ANY hitting coach, regardless of the size of their ego, coming ì and changing the mechanics of a young stuff who’s had 3 years of success.
Canuckleball
Bo’s issue was 100% injury, not swing mechanics. He was hitting well until he injured his knee the prior season. He hit poorly after coming back to end the season. He then suffered multiple injuries last season to the right calf below the right knee injury from the prior season. Possibly/probably some ongoing issue that hasn’t been properly dealt with. If he can get healthy, I’m sure he’ll return to form, but it’s been a year and a half of being banged up.
wayler
Maybe not all Mattingly but a few weeks in, he said that the coaches had made adjustments in his approach and that he was just going back to being himself. I’m not sure he ever found it again and injuries didn’t help,
Dustyslambchops23
If the package is right you have to do it, slide Giménez over to play SS.
Also have to consider a Vlad trade given Atkins waited out the market and lost.
Only problem is I don’t want Atkins handling any of these deals. I still can’t believe he has a job, it’s mind boggling
Mtog
Been saying this all off season. Trade Bo for some good prospects and use the money to sign Bregman. He’ll get around $22-25/year, minus Bo’s $17 that only adds around $5-8 mill to payroll. Move Giménez to SS and have Wagner at 2nd. Use the money saved to sign some BP, a LFer, and maybe a #3-4 starter. Additions by subtraction. Bo was injured in 2024 and his history shows he’s a quality player. Not great defensively but passable at SS.
Or, Jays should move Bo to 3rd and use the money on LF, BP, etc. Not sure how the metrics would look on his play at 3rd but it should be easier for him as he does have a good arm.
CO Guardening
Should the Jays have tried to include Biggio and Naylor in the Giminez trade?
JackStrawb
@CO Guardening The Jays were so excited by theIR theft they didn’t want to wreck it by complicating things.
Seriously.
CO Guardening
I doubt it. The Jays are such a $#!show and poorly run FO.
bravesfan
Braves need to be #1 on that list. I get he had a down year, but Arcia is one of the worst hitters in the league and his glove his completely overhyped by fans as he’s graded out as a very avg to good defender. Bo is a wild card on defense. So plays are amazing some drive you crazy, but the upside on his bat is worth whatever the Braves give up to get him. So Braves, go trade one of those prospects and make it happen. Then, extend him now while his value is low
bravesfan
His value is at its lowest*
BadCo
Guys he has an awesome bat, but his D is what really hurts him.
radhippo
Come on Peary! Send Taylor Ward to Jays for Bichete.
The Angels need a 2b and the Jays could use Wards Bat.
Neto and Bichete up the middle would be a nice middle infield for the Angels to build around.
Jays_Jen
If they trade him (big IF), I hope they target a SP with a proven track record and move Rodriguez to the ‘pen as a swingman – he’d be great in that role. Two glaring needs dealt with at once and hopefully a couple of prospects in return. If they keep him and he has a solid year, which we know he can do, at least they could give him a QO. This FO is brutal, but a few trades have worked out well. The rhetoric of TO being a horrible place to live, as well as players getting paid in $CDN just reeks of ignorance and is getting old here. Before you bash a city (and in this case a whole country), try getting a passport and check it out for yourself. That is, if you can even identify it on a map.
SHARKmapiro
Speaking of ignorance, the front office is not actually brutal. They’ve had two 90+ win seasons and 89 in another of 3 of past 4 years. Yes, the team has disappeared in the postseason but maybe the players should take some of the blame since they’re the ones on the field underachieving as much as the guys who put them on the field.
Dustyslambchops23
Context is important here.
The Jays had a number 1 farm system, no bad contracts, a division that was open for the taking, and sudden deep pockets from an ownership that decided to spend.
They go in to 2025, with a team that has regressed year over year since 2021, no playoff wins, no division titles, a bottom 5 farm system, and uncertain future because their only good player locked up is Berrios. In back to back years they’ve had glaring holes and the front office hasn’t been able to close them, instead continuing to double down on Varsho types.
I appreciate your ability to be positive during this time, but I would hold back on calling others ignorant when you’re being this much of a homer
SHARKmapiro
I’m not being a Homer at all. Instead of trying to insult me like a chicken hawk why don’t you put your reading glasses on and read what I wrote. The players never seem to take any blame for how they underachieve. It’s always “shatkins” fault. Sorry but the front office missed out on Ohtani and Soto and that’s been their biggest problem. Guess what 27 other GMs missed out on them too so I guess all those other front offices are brutal following that logic.
Blame the players as much as the front office. That’s the point.
Jays_Jen
I apologize – I wasn’t meaning to come off as crass or anything. It just gets frustrating hearing the same thing over and over again. It’s okay to be a “homer”, but I also keep track of many other teams in MLB (and watch the games) and their farm systems. It’s been a rough go in TO lately. Just frustration, I guess. My sincerest apologies. I will try to be more objective.
Dustyslambchops23
The jays have had the same strengths and weaknesses for the last 2.5 seasons. Their pitching and D has been good, their power and overall ability to score runs has been bad.
Since this same issue, Atkins has acquired Whit Merrifield, Justin Turner, IKF, Gimenez, Loperfido, Bloss, Wagner and Clase.
Yes they missed out on Soto and Ohtani like you mentioned but those are far from the only 2 players who could help this team.
The simple reality is the mindset of overvaluing defense and undervaluing power is consistent and has not been addressed. The Jays could have improved with lesser players over the last few years but Atkins refuses to pivot since he let Semien walk and trade Teo and Lourdes.
Lots of players would help address the jays needs, but who did Atkins acquire? Gimenez, another all glove, light bat, last thing this team needs. Should we blame the players for Atkins inability to piece together a cohesive team? Which players should we blame? Should we also blame the players for the bottom 5 farm system?
Jays_Jen
Very well said. Unless they come out and shock the baseball world by putting a true contender together this offseason, I do worry that it will be status quo for years to come until they decide to bl*w it all up and start a true rebuild.
SHARKmapiro
One of the downsides of finishing at 89+ win seasons is drafting later which means the best young talent is long gone. That contributes to the arbitrary low rankings they have now.
With that said. The Jays cleaned up at the deadline last season which definitely improved the farm and if the winning window is finally closed then they’ve demonstrated they can get the most out of the assets they have to move this year…should it come to that.
Then they will be at the top of the farm system rankings and jays fans can complain about them losing. The whining in Toronto never ends.
CTS4
You forgot Vogelbach…. lol
Dustyslambchops23
lol man I’m beginning to think you’re actually Atkins because you’re lousy at this, use no facts and are sticking up for a terrible FO.
Why is it that other teams, that have 90+ wins the last few seasons, who also mixed in some playoff wins, have better farm systems? Not to mention it’s okay when you have a bottom 5 farm system like the Yankees when you actually are able to improve your team through free agency. They use their farm to acquire Soto, get to the WS then sign the best free agent pitcher. atkins uses his farm to acquire Varsho, misses the playoffs and then trades for the infield version of Varsho.
Why is that exactly Shark? All you have is lame excuses, you are the perfect Jays fan, not only do you accept mediocrity, you embrace it.
Dustyslambchops23
lol yah the only time they actually added some power!
SHARKmapiro
Dusty boy you are wannabe fan who lives and dies by the results of the previous season. Grow up Peter pan. Stop crying like a little girl. Boo hoo the jays were bad last year. The sky isn’t falling.
Dustyslambchops23
lol I’m a season ticket holder who has forgot more about baseball than you’d ever learn.
No one is crying here besides you. Go lock eyes with your atkins poster and keep repeating that they won 89 games. You’re okay with mediocrity because the rest of your pathetic little life is mediocre at best.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
According to BR Rogers Centre is supposed to be a hitters park 103 vs 100 average. HRs are good but a lot of 2Bs, 1Bs, good baserunning and hitting with RISP scores runs also.
They just need a better balance between offense and defense. For whatever reasons I believe TOR has a smaller pool of players that want to sign as a FA.
Maybe they need to improve via trades more for players that still have years of control. I’m sure they have been trying to do this already
Sometimes they make bad judgements with trades.
Varsho – Moreno, Gurriel Jr trade
JackStrawb
Strange that the Mets, with no one in the system likely to be worth carrying Giminez’s chewing gum, weren’t in on him given the ridiculously small return the Guards settled for. .
It’s six years left on his deal, btw, not five.
Giminez has also put up 90% of Lindor’s bWAR over the past 3 seasons for about 10% of Lindor’s salary.
Giminez in 2022-2024 put up 90% of Soto’s bWAR. Pointing it out seems to upset people, though, particularly those who think baseball is a two-tool game.
Why trade two decent prospects for that guy, though, when you can win the privilege of paying Soto $765 million and enjoy his decade long decline at your leisure?
Cash-Man-NY
Bo & Vlad to the Yankees
Jay’s. Get. George Lombard Jr. -Luis Serna — Spencer Jones
All in !!
Hank Murphy
The clowns in the Blue Jays front office always seem to forget something about baseball
YOU NEED TO SCORE A FEW RUNS TO WIN A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sweetg
they missed their chance to sign Bichette / Guerrero couple years ago. Bichette is gone at end of year. . Guerrero they will have too overpay.
to4
Here we go. 1 step forward with Giménez and another one back by trading Bo.
Just trade all those Dumb INF for whatever you can get, leave the core alone and sign some good players before they’re al gone for Christ Sake.
Bregman, Burnes, Teoscar, Stott and Kenley Jansen and good to go lol or trade for Helsley and Wilson Contreras
Dumpster Divin Theo
Okay whatever you say Paula Abdul
Terry B
Bichette to Dodgers for Chris Taylor straight up!(ha-ha) Friedman will work his magic!
Dumpster Divin Theo
He should go to Red Sox for Babe Ruth: No No Nanette meet Bo Bo Bichette
Dumpster Divin Theo
Crucial info- thanks so much Leona!