Anthony Santander has been linked to multiple teams this winter, and Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free Press adds two new names to that list in the Angels and Tigers. Interestingly, Petzold describes the Angels and Blue Jays “as the frontrunners” to sign Santander, while the Tigers view the switch-hitting outfielder as something of a backup plan if they can’t sign Alex Bregman.
With Juan Soto and now Teoscar Hernandez off the market, Santander stands out as the top free agent option remaining for teams in need of outfield help. He was reportedly looking for a five-year contract even before Hernandez re-signed with the Dodgers, and with the Yankees and Red Sox joining the Blue Jays, Angels, and Tigers as known suitors, there might enough interest for Santander to land that longer commitment even though he’s entering his age-30 season.
Santander has hit .245/.312/.476 with 134 home runs in 2571 plate appearances since Opening Day 2020, translating to a 119 wRC+. Santander saved his most overall productive season (3.3 fWAR) for his walk year, as he hit a career-best 44 homers along with a .235/.308/.506 slash line in 665 PA for the Orioles. He had relatively even splits from both sides of the plate, and posted above-average numbers in terms of barrel, hard-hit ball, strikeout, and walk rates. This production earned Santander his first All-Star and Silver Slugger nods, and he even received a bit of down-ballot support in AL MVP voting.
There also some clear minuses, as Santander isn’t much of a defender or baserunner, and his offense is largely tied to his power production. That doesn’t necessarily bode well for hitting in such homer-suppressing ballparks as Angel Stadium or Comerica Park, which creates a Catch-22 for the Angels and Tigers as they seek out some much-needed pop for their lineups.
The Angels’ emergence as a possible favorite for Santander isn’t necessarily a surprise, given how the Halos have been aggressively scouring the market for hitting help. Los Angeles has already brought Jorge Soler to town in a trade with the Braves, and added the likes of Travis d’Arnaud, Scott Kingery, and Kevin Newman to the bench mix. On the pitching end, Yusei Kikuchi and Kyle Hendricks were signed to free agent deals.
Santander would require a bigger commitment than any of this group. MLB Trade Rumors ranked Santander ninth on our list of the offseason’s top 50 free agents, and projected him for a four-year, $80MM pact. RosterResource estimates the Angels’ 2025 payroll to sit at just under the $190MM mark, so a $20MM average annual value for Santander would still bring the Halos under their $214.7MM payroll for the 2023 season. This would fit with owner Arte Moreno’s claim from October that the Angels would be increasing spending this winter, if not in excess of their 2023 expenditures.
If Santander was signed to presumably take on his usual right field role, he’d join Mike Trout and Taylor Ward as the starting outfielders, with Jo Adell and Mickey Moniak moving to backup duty. There has been some reports that the Angels are exploring trading from this outfield group, which could perhaps subtract Adell or Moniak, or left field could be opened up if Ward was dealt. Trout could conceivably be shifted to left field as a way to reduce the wear-and-tear on his body as the Halos attempt to keep their star healthy. Since the Angels’ starting lineup is mostly full of right-handed hitters, Santander’s switch-hitting ability adds some balance.
Amusingly, Santander would also balance out a Tigers lineup that leans in the opposite direction. Detroit’s abundance of left-handed hitting has made the addition of at least one big righty bat a clear priority this winter. As Petzold observed, the signing of Gleyber Torres didn’t really address the lineup imbalance, as Torres will essentially replace another righty hitter in Spencer Torkelson (as Colt Keith will move to first base to accommodate Torres at second base).
In Detroit, Santander’s move into right field would shift Kerry Carpenter into DH duty against right-handed pitchers, with Torkelson or Matt Vierling then likely acting as the right-handed side of that DH platoon. Vierling might also serve as the regular third baseman in this scenario where the Tigers signed Santander and not Bregman, depending on how third base prospect Jace Jung adjusts to big league pitching in his first full MLB season.
The Tigers’ payroll situation is pretty clear over the long term, and signing a big bat like Santander to a long-term deal would be the type of win-now move many expected from Detroit after the team reached the ALDS last season. Conceivably, the team could sign both Bregman and Santander, yet it seems more likely that they’d just aim for one of the two players. Bregman’s expected contract is more than double what Santander is projected to receive, yet the Tigers may be more willing to pay his steeper price tag. While a gap remains between Detroit’s preferred offer and Bregman’s reported goal of a $200MM deal, Petzold writes that “the Tigers appear to be all-in on Bregman.”
Because the Tigers are a revenue-sharing recipient, they would pay a lesser penalty to sign a player like Santander who rejected the qualifying offer — Detroit would have to give up its third-highest pick in the 2025 draft. Since the Angels aren’t a revenue-sharing team and they didn’t cross the luxury tax line last season, they’d have to give up their second-highest pick in the 2025 draft as well as $500K in international bonus pool money.
The Blue Jays would pay the same penalty as the Angels, and Toronto might well have even more incentive than either the Halos or Tigers to splurge for a proven bat like Santander. The Jays have thus far come up short on all of their major free agent pursuits this offseason, and are sorely in need of offensive help for what might be Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette’s last season in Toronto.
TAKERDBACKS
he goes to the angels it’s for nothing. That team will never win. awful pitching and management
zorn
Come on Pirates, go get Ward or Adell from the Angels!!
YourDreamGM
Didn’t trade them at deadline so they aren’t highly motivated. Who knows what they will want.
178iq
Another poor defensive.235 hitter that’s going to get 5+ years at 30yo. This sport needs to change something. Guy is hitting .230’s and his agent is going to get a team to give him 5 years at what? 125 million? Insane. He has to be in a line up as dangerous as Baltimore for his strikeouts & poor defense to not matter.
HaloHead82
Considering Soto is a career 285 hitter and just signed an $800 million…
They’re all over paying these days.
capnfatback
Santander’s career strike out rate is 2% below MLB average.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@178
The “sport” doesn’t need to do anything. If you’re GM doesn’t like him or his price then don’t sign him. It’s an open market and teams will pay what they feel he worth. The market spoke loud as to how they feel about guys like Gleybor and to an extent, Alonzo.
wayler
It’s not overpaying if that’s what the market says he worth. Forget the standard valuations by WAR.
SkenesandSlopes
Current MLB strikeout rate is a wee high. Being 2% below the average is no badge of honor.
JoeBrady
The “sport” doesn’t need to do anything.
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I’d go so far as to suggest there is no such thing as ‘overpaying’ in a competitive market. No one in here sells for under-market, even if they think the prices are absurdly high.
MrMainStreet
The Pirates would much rather go for guys who you have never heard of or who have struggled mightily in limited MLB appearances. Because with this owner, it’s not about winning but rather, continuing with the prescribed business model of carpetbagging
holecamels35
Pass on Adell. He’s another Suwinski.
rottenboyfriend
We don’t need Santander unless the Angels have a trade in place with Pittsburgh to send Detmers and Ward there for Bubba Chandler! Our needs our 3rd base and starting/relief pitchers! Pittsburgh gets their outfield bat at a price they can afford in Ward and the chance to fix Detmers who has swing and miss stuff! The Angels get a potential number one starter down the road and open up an outfield spot for the switch hitting Santander who has big power from the left side witch the Angels desperately with a mostly right handed power team. Adell is a keeper at this point and Moniak can be the backup if someone ends up on the IL.
MrMainStreet
Given that the Pirates just handed the Guardians one of their better starters in Ortiz for essentially nothing, one would think Bubba is untouchable.
Then again, this is the Pirates.
Rexhudler86
@rottenfriend. What about ward for bednar. Same age and control. Probably the best reliever on the market. Both could be flippable.
JoeBrady
rottenboyfriend
We don’t need Santander unless the Angels have a trade in place with Pittsburgh to send Detmers and Ward there for Bubba Chandler!
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Ahh, if it was only that easy.
rottenboyfriend
Relief pitchers are much easier to find plus Bednar is coming off a down year! The only way we give up a proven power bat that is affordable is for a premium minor league starter with huge upside potential. That is why I through in Detmer’s a first round pick that already has a no hitter and his K’s per nine our off the chart! We just can’t seem to get him back on track. Bednar for Ward would be a horrible deal for the Angels so we might as well keep Ward and sign a free agent reliever and forget about Santander!
Rexhudler86
@rottenbiyfriend. Well it’s a buy low move, and i don’t see many great relievers for 5.8. If they did that and replaced ward for Santander I wouldn’t complain plus he could fetch alot if he bounced back he was hurt several times last year. Wouldn’t say terrible but it’s a even trade
rottenboyfriend
That’s no even trade! Relievers are good one year and bad the next! Ward has 3 straight years of solid performance even after being beaned in the face! If Bednar was a free agent I probably wouldn’t sign the guy! Bubba is a fair trade for 2 years of Ward and 4 years of Detmers!
Rexhudler86
@rottenboyfriend. I get it. Alot of people were comping the lane Thomas trade for the return. Just being realistic. The control and age line up, and having a couple decent years. Bednar is trending down with his peripherals but I know he was battling injuries. It might not even hurt to gamble on him, and sign grichuk. I just think bednar bounces back he would be more coveted. Not that it’s going to push them over the edge, but it’s worth the risk plus they need to let adell and moniak play and see what they have. Just my two cents even though it’s 98 cents short of a dollar. Walsh is scared crapless of the inside ball. I don’t blame but it’s affects his performance because he’s jumping back too often.
MrMainStreet
What a thread
First someone floats Bubba Chandler’s name as a trade candidate. Now it’s Bednar.
People have really grown accustomed to the Pirates style of giving away players for relatively nothing over the last 5-7 years
Val4christ23
Thats a dumb lie stop yes our angels will win. Stop with the lies
178iq
Orioles have a lineup full above average defensive, high average bats. Santander can be a high strike out high HR hitter in Baltimore. Yankees can’t use another low average high strikeout bat that has no glove. Angels are poorly run so maybe he’ll end up there. Tigers? Who know what their FO is thinking. I figure he stays out.
socalbball
I don’t know why so many people in this thread are calling Santander a high strikeout bat. His strikeout rate is below the league average.
Rexhudler86
@socalbball. Because it’s the same person that can’t click on the name, before they spout something stupid off.
Angels revive
Angels have vastly improved. Don’t bring in Santander. We don’t need another no field outfielder. Don’t need all the homeruns with all the strikeouts. Looking for linedrive types who make good contact.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
Angels stink
DarrenDreifortsContract
By signing a 35 year old catcher? lol
mark68
Tell us that you haven’t been paying attention to transactions this offseason without telling you haven’t been paying attention to transactions this offseason…
GoogleMe
I agree. Santander doesn’t make sense for the Angels. I don’;t consider him much of an upgrade over Ward. You have Ward for the next 2 seasons. They have the 2nd overall pick, which they are likely to select Jace LaViolette. If they sign Santanderr, the Angels would need to forfeit their 2nd round pick, which is a top 50 pick. If they are going to spend it should be on something that makes more sense.
BravesFan2024
I don’t understand why the Braves wouldn’t be in on him. How many years of lackluster corner outfield production are they gonna have to watch before realizing they need to stop throwing long shots like Rosario, Duvall, and Kelenic out there?
Just go get someone you know will be a weapon offensively. God forbid he’s not a plus defender. You’re pairing him with Acuna and Harris… they’ll cover most of the ground anyway.
They desperately need another bat. Even if everyone else that is good rebounds next season the bottom 3rd of their lineup is rough. Arcia, Kelenic, and Murphy is not a good bottom 3.
BravesFan2024
Another reason for them to go get him is we all know Ozuna won’t be back after 2025, so he can shift to DH after 1 season and his defensive shortcomings will be moot…. Granted I will be right back in here saying they need to fill the outfield spot that’s left vacant instead of falling back into old habits.
Not that any of this matters. Braves won’t do a thing. They aren’t interested in filling their holes, only creating new ones every offseason.
SoCalBrave
Yes, they could get Santander to replace Ozuna in 2026. But I think we already have someone to move into the DH position when Ozuna leaves and that would be Ozzie Albies.
I think Nacho Alvarez in 2B and Albies as a full time DH would work pretty well, and save money that could be used elsewhere
stymeedone
Braves have a budget. Santander doesn’t fit in it.
84LeFlore
Braves don’t overspend on corner OFs. They seem to grow ’em like weeds on their farm.
metsin4
That’s ridiculous. They traded for Soler and Kelenic last year.Soler was an over spend so they traded him away.
BravesFan2024
Grow them like weeds? We haven’t had a completed outfield in years. More like they grow 2/3rds of an outfield then say that’s good enough.
Kind of like their attitude toward winning. We win the division…. That’s good enough.
“Good enough” should be the new team slogan if it’s not this internally already.
seamaholic 2
No money
i like al conin
@TAKE: You should check the Angels out further before making such a statement. They have 3 holes in their offense and Santander and Moore would fill 2. This team is moving forward.
Pads Fans
Taker, the Angels will definitely win this season. At least 70 games.
Rexhudler86
@pads fans. I will double down and say your wrong with no facts, because writing first on articles isn’t fun anymore
Pads Fans
Rex, you are an Angels fan, right? Do you think they will lose more than 92? I didn’t think I was being an optimist. Maybe I am wrong. lol
Rexhudler86
@pads fans. Unfortunately yes. I was just trolling taker or the bums that say baseless claims. I’m hoping trout can play 80 games. If not probably correct.
nukeg
“That team will never win.” That’s a lie and you know it. 100 bucks says they win at least 50 games.
metsin4
Has a so called front runner actually landed the free agent they were supposed to have signed this offseason?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Hey I lost our Gleyber bet. What’s my new username from S.T. through O.D.?
metsin4
TheMetsarenowKingsofNY.
YourDreamGM
Mets Soto
LA Teo
NY Goldschmidt
NY Fried
Pirates Cutch
Probably more but I don’t pay attention to the interested in articles often and probably forgot some.
Looked these up.
Stallings Colorado
Adames SF maybe? I don’t remember what I thought or what was reported but seems like a obvious fit.
Eovaldi
Manaea
Montas
Pads Fans
The Mets – Soto. The Dodgers – Hernandez
YankeesBleacherCreature
That logjam at DH between Trout, Rendon, and Santander should be interesting.
cybertron
Soler too. But 2/4 of them will be injured by June so it will work itself out.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Oh yeah. Forgot about him.
Val4christ23
They won’t be injured
bigdaddyt
*April
tuck 2
Why is Rendon in that discussion?
metsin4
Good point
metsin4
Santander is a decent outfielder isn’t he?
YourDreamGM
He’s actually good just doesn’t have range. Soler Rendon should be long gone before he needs to dh. Trout will be on IL.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Santander’s OAA and DRS have both graded below average for several seasons. Rendon is 34 and at league average but he hasnt played much.
C Yards Jeff
Decent in that he is fundamentally sound. IE. keeps the ball in front of him and hits the cutoff man chest high. Range is his issue.
GarryHarris
He had a good arm but not a good defensive OF.
HalosHeavenJJ
Won’t be a logjam with one or two on the IL at all times.
Pads Fans
Trout will be in LF. Soler at DH. Rendon on the bench. If they sign Santander not sure where he would play. Signing him makes little sense unless they trade Ward.
YourDreamGM
Bregman Santander perfect fit for both those teams.
stymeedone
The Tigers currently have Greene, Meadows, Carpenter, Vierling, Perez, and Malloy as OF. Meadows bats 1, Carpenter 2, Vierling 3, Greene 4. Why would Santander be a perfect fit? The Tigers are already LH heavy, and Santander from the right side is not very intimidating. It would force Vierling to 3B, where he’s passable. Why move an excellent OF from his best position? It weakens both the OF and the IF.
WestVillageTiger
Agree. Another strikeout prone defensive liability is not what the Tigers need…
seamaholic 2
He’s not strikeout prone at all. Just extremely fly ball oriented and aggressive.
84LeFlore
Tigers are probably doing a half-hearted check-in on Santander as an attempt to push Bregman to sign.
Dtownwarrior78
That was my thought as well
WadeBoggsWildRide
Santander seems like the prototypical Tigers player from the 90’s. Low avg. High power.
tigergreg
and questionable at best defense
Dtownwarrior78
Ah yes! Who could forget the awesome heart of the lineup featuring:
3. Cecil Fielder
4. Pete Incavilia
5. Rob Deer
Lol
YourDreamGM
Toronto has to be interested
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
Yes, Toronto has been linked to Santander all offseason
bigdaddyt
Hence the last couple sentences there
cybertron
So where is Taylor Ward getting traded when the Halos sign Santander?
Rexhudler86
@cybertron. Most likely checked to see if his price dropped.
Val4christ23
No where.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Phillies
SoCalBrave
The Reds seem like an obvious fit and I think he would mash at that ballpark
This one belongs to the Reds
True but Reds management has permanent hand prints on his posterior.
tuck 2
Two big ballparks would be a terrible mistake for Tony. He loves the short pitches in Camden and the Bronx as well as the monster and the pesky pole in Boston. Put him the AL West or Central and he hits 25 homers instead of 35
Well said.
Strikes out too much for Detroit. The Tigers need a big bat but not the strike outs. They don’t need outfield help either. To much money and longer contract. Better off in Toronto.
Ragnarok
Santander does not strike out much for a power hitter.
Rexhudler86
@ragnarok. He thinking of teo Santander his cousin. He’s playing with judge’s brother arson
C Yards Jeff
Tony Taters career k rate is around 20%. Better than league average.
YankeesBleacherCreature
MLB ’24 K% was at 24%. Santander was at 19.4.
Ragnarok
Yep. Not going to find a guy with Santander’s power with less swing and miss in his game.
Santander has his flaws but striking out isn’t one of them.
Dtownwarrior78
I saw his K% and I figured with someone who put the ball in play that much he’d have a better AVG and OBP. Wonder what his ABIP was?
stymeedone
Detroit needs a big RH bat, and while he’s a switch hitter, Santander is stronger from the left side. They prefer Carpenter at DH, but he’s as capable if not better than Santander defensively. So, since he does not appear to be what the Tigers need, why not. They didn’t need a 2B either.
Motor City Beach Bum
I agree Carp is a better part time OF than Santander. Signing him creates more trickle down roster issues than signing Bregman does. That would block Malloy and Tork from ABs as well (if they keep him) or could mean Perez gets shipped to AAA. If they want to sign a big name RH bat, Bregman is the better option.
You are right they didn’t need a 2B but Torres is a RH bat who gets on base, has 20 HR power and doesn’t block the young 2B for next year (Jung or Lee). He was a solid add that will help them win.
stymeedone
The Tigers need RH Power. If Torres was being added to what they have, I might agree. Instead, he is replacing their most powerful RH bat, Torkelson. If Torres or Keith were playing 3B, their filled by committee position, leaving Torkelson at 1B, they would be better. Instead, Keith has to learn a new position, they still have the committee playing 3B, and they have hurt any trade value their #1 overall pick still had. Signing Torres was a knee jerk reaction by Harris. That money could have brought in Yates and/or Hays (RH OF).
Motor City Beach Bum
Tork hit 10 HR last year and got demited to AAA becayse he played so poorly and dudnt listen to his coaches. I agree his trade value has been hut…by his own play. They are not better with Tork. He certainly proved that point last year.
Keith was always going to end up at 1B or even in the OF.
Why would they sign Hays? You are arguing they don’t need Santander so why Hays? Is he better than Vierling or switch hitter Perez?
They can still easily sign Yates. They sound like they are well on their way to signing Bregman too. Not sure how upgrading the offence with Torres is a knee jerk reaction. Tork not getting ABs is his own fault nit Harris.
stymeedone
Yes, he got demoted, worked on his swing, and then played better when recalled. Keith looked fine at 2B, considering it was his first year. Why was he always going to get moved? Vierling currently is a decent RH platoon bat, but he’s not a power hitter, and doesn’t walk much. He can play either 3B or spell Meadows against tough LHs. Hays is a solid OF defensively and has more pop than Vierling in his bat. He wouldn’t require a multi year pact, and would be more affordable than Santander(who is not a threat RH, and should DH). I guess I don’t give up on #1 overall picks after a poor half season.
Harris is used to getting nothing for his players, though. He got Nothing for Candelario. Nothing for Turnbull. Nothing for E-Rod, and Nothing for Willi Castro. Guess he won’t be bothered getting Nothing for the Team’s last 1/1.
Motor City Beach Bum
It’s been awhile since you reminded us of all the negative things you think Harris has done and none of the positive things he has done. He screwed up on Erod fircsure but some of that blame goes to Erod. Turnbull, Candelario and Castro played poorly and he made a decision to cut them loose, and Turnbull is NOT a team player. You complain every time he cuts someone loose.
You left out the successes like Flaherty, Holton, Vierling and Kelly (who you complained about bringing in), Liranzo, Sweeney, Guenther, two solid drafts, upgraded pitching development et al. Those players actually played a role in the Tigers getting into the playoffs.
Tell the whole story not just the parts that suit your narrative.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Identifying failures and weaknesses is how to improve, not gloating about successes…..
Motor City Beach Bum
The only failure there was the Erod trade and looks like he learned from that with the Flaherty trade and actually getting a GM in place. Focusing on what works is part of the equation too Fife, not cherry picking the negative like Styme does because you have a hate on for the POBO/GM. We all have our opinions and I enjoy the discussions but not when they focus only on the negative and make it sound like the sky is falling. They just made the playoffs and won a round…that should earn them a little leeway with us fans. Cheers dude.
FenwayFanatic
I would love Santander going to the Tigers, Kind of seems like their type of player more than Bregman to me. I would also appreciate an additional correct prediction for the contest
Motor City Beach Bum
Bregman is a far better roster fit.
Omarj
Not my favorite signing for the Angels. Sure get him but then trade Soler/Ward. I’d prefer to keep Ward. Surprisingly, Santander has good adjusted homeruns for Angels stadium. Poor numbers in Oakland which won’t factor anymore
Val4christ23
No. lets trade adell. He sucks
zorn
How bout Bailey Falter for Adell? Pirates need an OF bad!!
Omarj
Adell has very little value right now
prov356
How about some pitching…we really need some pitching.
Val4christ23
Our angels already got a few pitchers this off season perry has done a fantastic job.
Low IQ Angels Management
Now this is the funniest post of the year.
Rexhudler86
@prov356. Wouldn’t mind if they got Monty. This sounds like some bs.
Angels revive
We have been stocking some good young arms. The rotation at Rocket City or Salt Lake might be really interesting.
Rexhudler86
@angels revive. agree. I don’t see how we upgraded the rotation this year, besides relying on the young guys. Wouldn’t mind Monty for half a year, and flip at the deadline. I just don’t want them to rush the pitching prospects early again, and ruin them.
Pete Cruise
If Toronto was to land : Bregman , Alonzo , and Santander and possibly Pivetta… It would be outstanding..
But let’s be honest they just sign a bunch of clowns to spring training tryouts and others to minor league contacts.
Ted Rogers should just sell the team instead of stringing us along.
metsin4
Only the four of them? You don’t want anyone else?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Flaherty and Scott to shore up the pitching.
gomer33
Ted Rogers died 17 years ago.
Ducey
That will make it harder to sell the team
Pete Cruise
Oops..
HalosHeavenJJ
Giving up the third pick in the second round to sign Santander would be the most Angels thing g to do.
Rexhudler86
@halosheavenjj. If it happens. It was a arte meddling around move.
jimmuscomp
Seriously. I almost expect it now.
SadHaloFan95
Arte Moreno makes me sick to my stomach
Rsox
Another article proclaiming the Blue Jays to be “front runners”. I feel sorry for Jays fans for enduring this every winter, especially since the Sox have started playing the same game
Old York
Who? Never heard of him.
Low IQ Angels Management
Another 30 something one hit wonder to bolster the injured reserve list. Definitely sounds like an Angels type of move. Lets add Max Scherzer to the equation as well.
skinsfandfw
So is Torkelson basically done in DET? With the Gleyber signing and Keith moving to 1B, sure seems like it. I realize he’s has his ups and (mostly) downs, but he seems like a trade candidate. Is he serviceable defensively at 3B or no?
miggywrld
He is barely serviceable defensively at 1B, so no.
Motor City Beach Bum
Looks like he is trade bait. CBS listed SD, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Arizona as possible trade partners. If he sticks in Detroit he is a part time DH at best right now, barring injury or underperformance.
Brassroo
Cannot trade him at this point. He has zero value. You send him to Toledo and he either makes himself a player or not.
Well said.
Never saw him play third. 1st or dh. I do expect him to have a good spring
Motor City Beach Bum
I think if he stays him and Malloy are fighting it out for the roster spot.
Luke Strong
Tigers need the power of Santander more than they need what Bregman brings, plus a lot less of a commitment is required, and I think Vierling can handle the bulk of time at 3B.
If Tigers were to sign Santander, does he play RF? He’s not much of a fielder. Do they trade Carpenter? I’ve never thought of Perez as being good enough to hold a starting job.
84LeFlore
I would hope they aren’t thinking about trading Carp. He’s the team’s biggest power threat. A Tigers lineup is worse without Carp.
Agree on Perez. I’d use him as trade bait, or throw him back in the pond at the farm and see if he can develop more. Too bad he has the yips in the infield as I’d prefer him to Zack-Mack as utility player if he could hold down a couple infield positions adequately.
Motor City Beach Bum
Carp’s .932 OPS last year was pretty elite. He’s a keeper. I made a comment last off season about using him as trade bait. The dumbest thing I’ve ever said on here! If they sign Bregman I think Perez gets shipped to AAA, unless they cut McKinistry or Ibanez. Too many utility types and too few spots for them. One article said they are having Perez work out in the infield during the offseason so maybe he will be a supersub if that takes?
Motor City Beach Bum
Signing Santander creates more roster problems than signing Bregman does. Malloy and Tork (if he is not traded or sent to AAA) likely don’t get any ABs and Perez could well be in AAA (which some articles suggest could happen anyway). Carp is likely a better OF than Santander so he is probably going to be the DH most nights. That’s a lot of cash for a full time DH who provides some HRs.
A Bregman signing gives Jung another year at AAA to develop as a 2B and take over from Torres in 2026. Bregman is a better hitter overall and a defensive plus at 3B. They should say no to the 8 year deal that has been floated though…we all saw what Miggys last couple years looked like and he was o e of the best hitters of his era.
gotigers68
I approve.
Luke Strong
Why don’t the Tigers modify Comerica Park again and bring in all the fences and turn the place into at least a neutral home run hitters park… why make it so hard to get players to want to play there because they’d have to play on a field that would turn 10 homers a year elsewhere into Detroit fly outs? Especially CF… they just modified it last year and didn’t bring it in nearly enough from gap to gap. It’s cavernous. The entire CF wall needs to be brought in to 400, maybe even 395 to dead center to fix those massive gap distances .Plus, home run hitter friendly parks have more exciting games. And let’s face it. if Santander comes to Detroit, he’s probably not hitting 44 homers ever again.
stymeedone
@Luke
Comerica is about dead center for Home Runs. Can’t get much more neutral.
As for Santander hitting 44 again, he’d never done it before, so I wouldn’t expect him to do it again. He’s good for 30+.
stymeedone
Have to admit I didn’t look at last seasons numbers (2024), but before the minor changes they did, it was pretty dead center, about #15 on HRs by ballpark. Its slightly more friendly to RH hitters than LH.
Luke Strong
I looked it up… according to Statcast, Comerica Park ranked as 92 on the HR factor in 2024, with 100 being neutral, with Great American Park being the best home run park with a factor of 124. Undoubtedly, a lot of homers in other parks are easy outs in Comerica, I still think bring it in further. Why not get that number up to 105?
Motor City Beach Bum
The pitchers might have a different take on that!
Rick Face
“There might enough interest”
This one belongs to the Reds
Nice to know if I played today and hit .240, I’d make the big leagues!
This one belongs to the Reds
Not to mention make 20 million.
dankyank
I’m absolutely certain that if you played tee ball today and hit .240, there wouldn’t be any MLB scouts trying to sign you. Call it a hunch.
This one belongs to the Reds
The MLB team that drafted me back in 1985 might have something to say about that.
socalbball
Well, you probably wouldn’t make the big leagues if you only hit .240 in the minors – Santander’s career batting average in the minors is .271. As for whether you could stick in the majors today with a .240 average depends on your on base percentage, slugging percentage, etc.
bighiggy
If the angels sign Santander, they should trade for arenado and helsley. Maybe an arenado, helsley, 20 mil, and matz for ward, and some prospects? Take out ward and put in a (non Rendon) bad contract plus better prospects? With Santander, arenado, and helsley they’d be much improved, and if matz could stay healthy might be a good pickup
stymeedone
Angels have few prospects and St Louis wants to move the contract. If you can’t fill in the name of the prospects, don’t even bother to suggest the trade.
GarryHarris
We can stop the ridiculous rumor that Alex Bregman is part of the Tigers off season’s plans anytime now.
Motor City Beach Bum
It’s pretty clear they are looking hard at him and he is an obvious fit for them. Where there is smoke there is fire. If they are pushing back on the length of the contract I applaud them because the last few years of an 8 year contract would likely be painful.
84LeFlore
Agree. If they pay him $200M, I’d rather it be 5 years than 8. After the Zimmerman, Miggy & Baez contracts, I’m gun-shy to long-term, budget-busting contracts for declining production.
Really, Bregman signing would complete the Tigers lineup for a year or two. They’ve essentially ended the Tork issue by moving Colt over there. With McGonigle, Clark, Briceno and Rainer on the way, it just becomes an issue of upgrading positions as prospects develop.
I wonder.. will the Tigers keep all of Riley, Parker and Max? Most teams would probably try to trade one to fill another hole. The thought of the three of them running down every flyball excites me, as does keeping stellar homegrown talent. If the Tigs do sign Bregman, I’d like to see the next big focus be Greene and Skubs getting extensions. Riley strikes me as a someone who should be a lifetime Tiger. (with a very heavy Lloyds of London policy, of course.)
stymeedone
Clark is likely to arrive just as Greene becomes trade bait. He’s likely his replacement. Skubal will hopefully play all of ’25 with the team (unless they have a first half collapse), but is likely to be traded before the ’26 season as Boras is his agent, and Skubal is now on the PA negotiating committee. Both point to him playing hardball, and testing the market. Plus we have yet to see Chris I open his purse since the Baez signing. Don’t hold your breathe.
GarryHarris
I’m convinced the Bregman rumor originated from commenters on this site.
Motor City Beach Bum
It is from Petzold.
Simm
Hits a few bombs and pretty much useless outside of that. I would never give this guy a 5 year deal that he wants. Doesn’t get on base very well, can’t field for crap and can’t run for crap.
Power and defense create a ton of war and he has one of those two qualities.
dankyank
IMO, this rumor is based more on a perceived likelihood of the teams in question to spend rather than if Santander’s an actual fit.
As others have mentioned, the Angels already have 3 potential DH types in Trout, Rendon and Soler. The Tigers have 6 potential outfielders on their roster. Neither team is ideal for him.
He would fill a need on the Royals and Braves, both of whom need corner outfield upgrades. His power would play up in Cincinnati and he would provide insurance for the injury prone Friedl and Fraley. The problem is none of those three teams appear inclined to do any major spending.
That’s a shame. Now that the top free agents are mostly signed, teams will try to wait out the next tier of players available.
uvmfiji
Are the Tigers getting better or just spending money?
Motor City Beach Bum
Torres was an upgrade for the offence which is what they need and he is only on a one year contract so hes not blocking the young guys. Tork needs a change of scenery. Bregman is a better option than Santander for a further upgrade. They are spending their money wisely and not blocking ops for their young players to develop.
uvmfiji
Colt Keith is young and blocked.
Motor City Beach Bum
He’s moving to 1B which they have been talking about. Tork will likely be traded.
uvmfiji
So its costing the Tigers $15 million to replace Tork for one year?
Motor City Beach Bum
Keith replaces Tork at 1B now. Torres is signed for this year and next year a young player like Jung or Lee slots in at 2B.
Brassroo
I wouldn’t sign Bregs for more than 3, maybe 4 years. But that’s just me. Illitch has shown that long contracts causes paralysis to bringing in other players.
Motor City Beach Bum
If i was them i’d be very wary of signing him to one of those crazy 8 year contracts at big money as well. Just my two cents as well. If that is what he pushes for I hope they look elsewhere.
stymeedone
@uvmfiji
The team is getting better as the players gain experience, and they have a GREAT pitching coach. I haven’t seen them spend money since Harris arrived. Torres was signed because he was cheap, and Cobb went for the same money as Boyd. Both were 1 year deals. $15MM doesn’t buy what it used to.
Launch Angle
I just feel bad for the Halos fans in this thread that think they will win over 70 games in ‘25. Put down the edibles! A 35 y/o catcher and a 33 y/o Kikuchi won’t make up enough ground.
Santander is a limited defensive corner OF/DH with low batting average and some pop on the wrong side of 30. He’s the cheese in the rat trap. A mid market team will sign him to sell tickets to fan base that’s treading water and frame it as the next greatest big thing… then they will proceed to eat that contract when he hits 20-25 HRs per year over the next 5 years if he can stay healthy. Seems like a perfect fit for the Halos.
Low IQ Angels Management
No actual Angels fan is of the delusion they will win more than 70 games. My guess is in the 60-65 range in 2025.
warnbeeb
I do not think Santander or Bergman are particularly good fits for Detroit. I prefer the short term deals for bats and arms while the Tiger farm system develops the longer term roster.
Rexhudler86
@launch angle. What’s the wrong side of thirty his birthday was in October.
I’m trying to find these so called fans rejoicing, about the season, because I haven’t seen it. Also they don’t need a outfielder.
aragon
If you have a hope that the Angels will play in postseason wait till 2030 at the earliest. Arte and Minasian are perfect combo of killing a baseball team. Until Arte sell the team nothing good will come. Till then have a shot of morning whiskey.
Rexhudler86
@Aragon. I don’t think perry is a problem. He’s been the best gm since stoneman. It’s the blockhead Arturo. That needs to a take a seat, and let the people he hired figure it out.
Psychguy
If Arte wants to show his commitment to winning, he’d pay out and move on from Rendon.
84LeFlore
Is Rendon the guy who said baseball wasn’t that important to him? It’s probably overblown, taken out of context. And there’s nothing wrong with work/life balance. A lot of these guys improve AFTER they get married, for example, or have kids. But if Rendon really doesn’t care that much about baseball, at these prices, I’d avoid him like the plague.
Psychguy
As a player, even if you see baseball as a “job”, you don’t vent this opinion to the public who wants to believe that players love the game for which they are paid handsomely. And let’s not forget his fighting with fans and injury history that only adds to the optics of this awful contract. This team needs a culture change and the owner needs to lead the way. Just cut bait you billion dollar owner.
kingsfan1968
Keep Rendon out of spite!
Psychguy
Interesting idea, but not if you want to change the culture of this moribund franchise. But funny.
Mikenmn
More power to the guy if he can get the contract, but I thought all these advanced analytical tools would filter out the low-average, low OBA lumbering slugger types.
seamaholic 2
He’s also low (ish) K. It’s actually quite a valued type, and somewhat unusual in that it comes without being limited to 1B or DH.
Indianfan
Guardians interested in Saving Money.
BashBroJoe
Fans act like Santander drops fly balls or something lol I’ve watched his whole career. He’s a fine outfielder with no range. Not an albatross out there. Actually makes fine plays every once in a while. Don’t necessarily think the O’s need him back but he fine.
tigergreg
He may not drop fly balls but turning outs into hits and singles into doubles is worse.
TheToasters
Having watched Santander play, I don’t think of him as a bad defender. Juan Soto is bad in a sometimes comical way, but Santander makes all the plays he can get to, and he’ll full on lay out and make a diving catch. My guess is, most of his downside must come from his range? But he probably also ceded the middle to Mullins. He may not walk a lot, but he fouls off a lot of pitches, and makes the pitcher work for it. Great personality. Always smiling, always the heart of the clubhouse. And, he maintains his body and stays in shape. He’ll be a B+ player anywhere, but I wish him a short right field porch.
Samuel
TheToasters;
Apparently you’re the only poster on here so far that’s actually seen Mr. Santander play.
The man did not have one good year in 2023; he’s been playing solid, clutch baseball for the 3 years that I’ve watched the Orioles (a lot). Yes, he keeps himself in shape, is an above average RF and excellent baserunner.
People posting here very probably never even heard of him until he became a FA. The kids on here look at some screwball statistics and think they know a players worth. They watch some highlights and repeat untrue narratives.
Whatever team gets Mr. Santander will be happy with him as will their fans.
bravesfan
If I’m him and I’m not signing for kist top $, I’m eyeballing the tigers first, then angels, then then jays based on their rosters and farms. I personally think the Jays just put their name to all free agents to make their fans think they are trying but they aren’t making a real effort on the big names, and I think he’s a perfect fit for the angels and the angels need to go get him. Angels are making some nice moves and this is one that takes them from “trying to win” type moves this offseason, to potential contenders
Launch Angle
Potential contenders???? They signed 33 year-old Kikuchi, Kyle batting practice Hendricks and a 35-year-old catcher. They added Kevin Newman, Dakota Hudson, and Carter Kieboom to minor league deals (low risk flyers great!) and adding Santander makes them a contender?? This is the delusional fanboy stuff I was talking about. Keep drinking the Kool-aid sport!
JayFan
I don’t believe Jays fans believe all this crap about being in on all the top end free agents. Personally I think the Jay’s management is just blowing smoke up our as*es. I have no idea why Atkins is still running the team after his poor performance last year..
bravesfan
To be clear, I mean potential contenders in their division, but WS contenders … their division is not very tough. Astros on paper are starting to look a lot weaker but I’m not counting them out yet, rangers on paper look strong but look what they did last year so who knows who they are, the A’s will A’s, and Seattle has elite pitching but their hitting is trash and the fact their mgmt is wasting such great pitching with no hitting and a division that is very winnable is hard to watch. So the angels are just a few right moves away from being a contender in the division.
Launch Angle
Delusional. Everyone in the division is better “on paper” than the Angels. They have done next to nothing this off season. A few short moves? When will this happen? Almost every difference maker has already sign elsewhere. They still have a leaky boat made of recycling trash and rotten wood. They have nothing to trade to get better. No one wants their garbage (Adell, Moniak). MLB.com ranks their farm system 29/30. They have a few nice pitching prospects that they can’t afford to trade because pitching is the problem every year.
Rexhudler86
@launch angle. You do realize neto, and schanuel were quick callups, and have been performing decently. Schanuel was in the same class as crews and Langford. I would say not all star numbers, but he has stayed up in the mlb. Perry has been hitting on his first round picks. So if neto, schanuel, Joyce stayed in the minors that would put the angels at 5 top 100. That would drive up the minors ranking which is a shortsighted take. Moore was the most recent pick, and was mashing out the gate would’ve been called up if he didn’t get hurt. I wouldn’t say they have nothing to trade. They have young players they won’t trade. Has anyone said they will trade moniak and adell? I’m sure teams would be interested in rengifo and ward.
You didn’t respond to my simple question your last troll post. I haven’t seen anyone saying the angels are going to be good this year. But they have prospects that made it in short order instead of staying in high a like most of the prospects in the top 100. That will fizzle out.
outinleftfield
Those moves increased WAR by 4.7. On paper that means the Angels are 4-5 wins better than 2024.
Soler alone is a 2.7 WAR improvement over the Angels DH spot last year. d’Arnaud is a 0.6 WAR improvement at backup catcher.
On the pitching side, Kikuchi, who will slot in at #3, is a 0.8 WAR improvement over Canning who was in that slot last season. Hendricks is a tiny improvement over the guys like Silseth, Daniel and others that were in a revolving door of pitchers in the #5 slot.
Will they be better as the season plays out? I doubt it. These are the Angels we are talking about. But there is no denying that they are better today than they were at the end of the 2024 season. All Angels fans can hope is that the garbage they bring in will somehow be a little better than the garbage they are replacing.
Oldhalo
@Outinleftfield I’m guessing that you watched the Angel’s play all year and have the aptitude to recognize when a team recognizes that their out, then decides to fold up, protecting team assets and essentially begins working towards a higher draft position? The moves were pretty obvious in my opinion. They weren’t a playoff team last year but they were better than their end of season record. As for the topic in this thread, I would hate to see us give up our #2 pick for someone in their 30s.
ThonolansGhost
Not at sure that I’d want the Tigers to spend 80M-100M on this guy
LordD99
The Yankees have no interest.
Dock_Elvis
Dropping Santander behind Witt after signing India would be a pretty cool Royals move. Wont happen.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Torque must be feeling pretty bad about all this.
I believe he will improve immensely. He had a down year. Instead of backstabbing him, they should be getting a deal on contract before he starts hitting 30 hrs again….
He needs to relax and not be frightened. He doesn’t need to be top hitter on the team but that doesn’t mean he will hit poorly.
Motor City Beach Bum
He needs to listen to his coaches from what I’ve read. He might have played himself out of a job in Detroit fife. Still it sounds like he is buddies with others on the team like Greene so hopefully his situation doesn’t effect team morale.
outinleftfield
Not sure how this would be a fit for the Angels, especially at the $80-100 million everyone expects Santander to get. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see an addition in the OF, but CF is where the Angels need help. Santander can barely play RF.
As it stands today the outfield looks like this
LF – Trout, CF – Moniak? RF – Ward 4th – Adell
Soler is the DH, so no room there.
I guess rumors don’t have to make sense to get people to click on the article. Just look at me clicking on this one.
kingsfan1968
Angels always need pitching, so it makes sense they would be after another hitter! Bring in super utility guy Kike Hernández for $5 million and use the rest of the money on pitching!
fansincethe80s
No need for Hernandez, they already brought in Kevin Newman, who plays better D and actually hit last season.
fansincethe80s
This feels like the writer throwing spaghetti at the wall because his editor said he needs clicks.
Dock_Elvis
True story. I can recall an article from atleast 15 years ago reporting on the press at the Winter Meetings. How columnists were basically creating rumors to fill space.
Dtownwarrior78
The word around the campfire is that Tork has put in a ton of work this offseason and that his swing has been overhauled, but not sure I’m a believer in the just yet. He’s a notorious slow starter so we’ll prolly see early on in the spring. But GM Harris did say if he improved on last years disappointment then there is a place on the roster for him. Would be AWESOME if he came to camp and just raked! If you get Bregman on top of that you get a lineup that looks pretty good!
1. Meadows
2. Torres
3. Bregman
4. Greene
5. Carpenter
6. Keith
7. Tork
8. Vierling
9. Rogers/Dingler
84LeFlore
You forgot Sweeney/Baez. (which is totally understandable!)
Kimber1911
Torres playing short, Keith at second and Tork at first?
Kimber1911
Signing Bregman would be a disaster for Detroit. Greene and Skubal need to be locked into long term deals. Even if Javy does “better” (which isn’t saying anything as he’s been horrific in all aspects) I would still DFA him and open up a roster spot even at the millions they still owe him. Tork must have another chance. Tork is young. If he bombs out with one more chance, it’s a bummer but if he lives up to 1st overall pick status than you will take that and sweep his slow start at MLB level under the rug. Giving Bregman or anybody other than Skubal 200mil is absolutely dumb at this stage along with what’s available while also locking in Greene and Skubal long term while allowing financial flexibility and availability in years to come. Personally, I would add another starter, take a few shots at some bull pen arms on minor league deals and let Fetter see what he can do and see how the Tigers top 5 farm system does and produces this season. See what depth the farm produces along with the solid coaching and development the Tigers have while they get some depth from the farm. Tigers can pull a trade or 2 with their farm at anytime.
stymeedone
Going into the off season, all the prognosticators said the Tigers should look for a 3B, a couple SP, and a back up C option. The Tigers also said Keith, Vierling, Ibanez and Malloy would get in some reps at 1B as insurance on Tork. (Also Canha had been their only back up) No one said they needed to move Keith to another position. No one said they needed an OF or a DH. They signed an injury prone starter. They weakened their defense. And they still don’t have a 3B, and have said they are done with the SP market. Just amazing!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Not only that, they have yet to hire the Superfife!
gold masters
The only thing a winning team needs is average players, with above average players
The one thing about winning is, if you are playing you are winning
If the team lost, u still win, because you applied yourself and did all you could do to help your team advance. Yes it’s about winning. Give it your best performance and you always win. Regardless of the score. You are never a looser unless you choose to be
JayFan
So tired of reading that the Jays are interested in, just missed out, etc. For the second year in at row Jays management has failed to significantly upgrade their roster. The Jays have one of the wealthiest owners in baseball. They don’t have a strong minor league system so need to bring in free agents to improve the team, yet they have done nothing to improve an offense that is desperately in need of 1 or 2 bats.. .
Dock_Elvis
Costs a premium to get the players up there. I just wish MLB realized what was created with MLBtv. The Jays were kind of strapped to a Canadian audience before m. In the past 15 years or so they’ve built quite a cult audience in the US. When MLBtv came in, it allowed people to surf around. I used to actually play Howarth over the TV broadcast living in Iowa then. Jerry Howarth was amazing!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
One year tradable contracts with team options
only!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Blue Jays? $28/M