The Reds and Royals are discussing a trade that would send second baseman Jonathan India to Kansas City in exchange for right-hander Brady Singer, according to a report from C. Trent Rosencrans and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Rosenthal adds that a deal between the sides is not considered close and that India is one of “several” hitters the Royals are looking at as they consider dealing from their rotation depth.
India, 28 next month, is coming off something of a rebound campaign in 2024. After averaging just 111 games per season in each of the past two years with below average offensive numbers while dealing with hamstring issues and a bout of plantar fasciitis in his left foot, he posted his best season since winning the 2021 NL Rookie of the Year award this past year. In 637 trips to the plate across 151 games this year, India slashed a respectable .248/.357/.392 (108 wRC+) while slugging 15 homers and stealing 13 bases. He also struck out just 19.6% of the time while walking at a 12.6% clip, making him one of just three players (alongside Freddie Freeman and Juan Soto) to strike out in less than 20% of his plate appearances with a walk rate of at least 12%.
That impressive discipline at the plate makes India a valuable asset even as his power and speed numbers fall short of 20/20 potential. Just five qualified second basemen posted better offensive seasons by measure of wRC+ than India did last year, and his 2.8 fWAR ranks seventh at the position. On the surface, losing that production would seem to be debilitating for a Reds offense that was bottom-five in baseball by measure of wRC+ in 2024. With that being said, it’s worth noting that India appeared likely to enter 2024 without a clear position to call home until 2023 Rookie of the Year finalist Matt McLain missed the entire 2024 campaign due to shoulder surgery and top prospect Noelvi Marte missed the first half of the season due to an 80-game PED suspension.
Marte struggled badly (31% strikeout rate, 46 wRC+) in 66 games with the Reds this year after returning from his suspension, but McLain proved to be a dynamic offensive force for the club in his 89-game rookie campaign back in 2023. Then just 23 years old, the youngster slashed an excellent .290/.357/.507 (127 wRC+) with 16 homers and 14 steals in just 403 plate appearances. If he can produce anything close to that level of offensive firepower over a full season in 2025, that would more than make up for the loss of India’s bat from the lineup. It’s possible the club could find a way to keep both second basemen in the lineup—McLain has gotten a handful of reps at third base and in center field during his recent stint in Arizona Fall League— but with TJ Friedl just one season removed from a 3.9-win campaign in center and the Reds unlikely to give up on Marte after less than half a season in the majors, it could make sense for the club to cash in on India now.
One sensible way for the club to do that would be targeting a quality rotation arm like Singer. Both Singer and India are under control through the end of the 2026 season, making the swap a fairly clean one from a team control perspective. India is guaranteed a $5MM salary for 2025 and is arbitration eligible for 2026, while MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Singer for an $8.8MM salary in his penultimate trip through arbitration this winter. That slight net increase in salary commitment likely wouldn’t be a problem for a Reds club that plans to run a payroll “at or above” 2024 levels next year, giving them some breathing room financially for next season.
In Singer, the Reds would receive a quality mid-rotation arm to pair with Andrew Abbott and Nick Lodolo behind staff ace Hunter Greene. The 28-year-old righty pitched to a solid 3.71 ERA (114 ERA+) with a 3.94 FIP in 179 2/3 innings of work across 32 starts last year. That’s a major step forward from a disastrous 2023 season that saw him post a 5.52 ERA in 159 2/3 frames, but not quite at the level of his 153 1/3 innings of 3.23 ERA ball the year prior. Overall, Singer has pitched to a 4.15 ERA (103 ERA+) with a 3.94 FIP over the last three seasons, which sets up a solid floor for the right-hander looking forward even if he doesn’t return to the level of production he flashed in 2022.
With Seth Lugo, Cole Ragans, and Michael Wacha all locked into the club’s rotation for 2025, it makes plenty of sense for the Royals to explore trades from their crop of back-end arms that includes not only Singer but also Kyle Wright, Alec Marsh, and Kris Bubic. Those latter two names have already found themselves in the rumor mill this winter, and Rosenthal’s report confirms the Royals are still “entertaining” the possibility of moving either Marsh or Bubic instead of Singer, though he adds that Lugo, Ragans, and Wacha are all understood to be “essentially off-limits.” With that being said, he notes that teams interested in contending immediately prefer Singer to both Marsh and Bubic and the Royals would likely have to settle for a younger, less established hitter if they were to deal either of their lesser arms.
Bringing India would be a somewhat complicated fit for the Royals, however, as it would likely displace incumbent second baseman Michael Massey. Massey enjoyed the best season of his career in 2024, slashing .259/.294/.449 with 14 homers and a 102 wRC+ in 356 trips to the plate while playing around back issues early in the season. Both Massey and India have played second base almost exclusively in their careers to this point, though Massey has one appearance at the hot corner and the Reds toyed with the idea of playing India at first base or in left field last year before losing McLain for the season. It’s certainly feasible to imagine the Royals finding appropriate playing time for both players by utilizing the DH on days where Salvador Perez is catching, especially if India can also mix into the outfield on occasion.
Degaz
Marte and India for Singer and a throw in prospect.
johncoltrane
still just 22 yrs old, i think cincy wants to give noelvi a chance to redeem himself before losing all hope
but he probly isnt gonna perform well now that he’s off PEDs
ChasingTime
Aerosmith wrote a song for your trade in the 70’s. Dream on.
seamaholic 2
I wouldn’t offer JUST India for Singer if I were the Reds. Moving from KC to Cincy is just about as extreme a pitcher-friendly to hitter-friendly transition as you can make. Singer’s velo has declined every year in the majors, is down to below MLB average now, he had an xERA of almost 5 last year, and already has a bit of an HR problem even in KC. It’s an OK deal one for one since India’s just OK too, but no way I throw in Marte, one of the best prospects in baseball a year ago.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Of course the reds would accept singer if KC accepts India but I do think singer is worth more than India
DarkSide830
Not sure I like this swap from KC’s angle.
For Love of the Game
Yeah, I’m not sure there are many second basemen worth a workhorse starter.
redsorbust
It all depends on a teams needs. Apparently Royals must think they need an upgrade at 2b. India is a workhorse 2B and a good clubhouse presence. Reds were so grateful that they had him last year. He had a good year and played 2B full time as Matt Mclain was out all year. You would get a player that plays ever day as opposed to a pitcher who pitches every five days so there is value in that. This pitcher is a #4 so IMO it’s not too bad of a swap. Baseball trade values says it’s just a slight overpay by the Royals. Anyway fun speculating. Have a good one.
seamaholic 2
Everyone is a “good clubhouse presence.” Like, almost literally.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
You know most trades aren’t 1 for 1, right? The Royals need IF help, bullpen help, and OF help. I’m sure they’d address other areas in any deal too.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I’m bummed the mariners didn’t get India but I am confused on why is KC breaking up their big 3 above average starters
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
M’s fan: They wouldn’t be. Lugo, Ragans, and Wacha are their big 3.
Albino Rhinos
Not sure I get this for either team, but ok.
Big whiffa
I agree with you ! I thought it was not enough for India but after reading comments it just really doesn’t make sense for either side. Reds need to add offense, not give up one of their more productive guys for a player that fits the mold of several of their current pitchers
My how the turns have tabled
Reds have too many hitters not enough pitching
Royals have too many pitchers not enough hitters
They line up pretty well but seems like they’re aiming for the worst possible outcome on this one
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Who said the royals had too much pitching? They don’t have the best starting rotation and they have a worrisome bullpen
I can see why the royals want to trade for India since now that means that they don’t have to start maikel Garcia every day in the infield
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
They’d be better off dealing Singer for Cronenworth plus a bullpen arm, with the Pads kicking in some cash.
Blue Baron
Not sure the Padres would do that.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Blue Barron: As a salary dump while picking up a solid #4/5 starter? I think AJ would do that in a heartbeat.
Jm207* 2
Nobody wants Cronenworth. His contract is easy underwater. Padres would have to pay most of it
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
I wouldn’t put it past Jerry Dipoto to swing a trade for him and then spin it so much that the bulk of the fanbase is convinced he’s an actual upgrade.
Bdonnell
Which Mariner starter would be the best 1 for 1 match for India, or which Mariner SP is most likely to be moved?
EnglishM
Emerson Hancock – rest are all miles above India’s value.
seamaholic 2
Why not if Padres take some salary? Cronenworth is a much more impactful player than India.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
He makes 11.5 million/yr, is a two time all star, stays healthy, and can realistically start at any IF position..Plus he’s signed for 7 years. The people saying his salary is underwater have no clue what they’re talking about.
seamaholic 2
Royals aren’t taking on a player with that salary, period. Not now.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Did you miss the part where I said the Padres kick in some cash?
Serious question btw..what do you think an 11m salary in 3-4 years would be equivalent to in today’s dollars?
My how the turns have tabled
“Underwater”
No, cronenworth is actually paid the going rate for a super utility player at around 10-11 mill a year. You actually look at recent comps
Kike Hernandez with Boston
Marwin Gonzalez with Twins
Chris Taylor with Dodgers
Ben Zobrist with Cubs
Martin Prado with Marlins
They all made roughly 10-11 mill as guys with average or better offense that can play multiple positions
Padres issue is they play him solely at 1st instead of 2nd which drives down a lot of his value and WAR
“Cronenworth contract is under water!” Yeah cause he’s played at the wrong position
If padres put him at 2nd and he generated 3-4 war based on defense and hitting for league average you’d view the contract differently
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Tables-He played a lot of 2nd last year after the Arraez trade and Solano signing.
johncoltrane
If i’m KC i’d hang onto singer. reds brought up india immediately in 2021 without waiting so he only has 2 yrs left before FA
he showed alotta potential during that rookie yr, wheels fell off a little since then
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Injuries do that. He bounced back nicely though and is only 28. I like him better than Gleyber, who is certainly going to cost more money as a free agent.
gbs42
The Royals should be able to find a better trade option.
Bobcastelliniscat
Same for the Reds. Singer had an average year in a pitcher friendly ballpark. He wouldn’t fare nearly as well at GABP. As I Reds fan, I hope they pass.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Mid teams doing mid team things, trading mid players back and forth.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
If making the playoffs and winning a series makes you mid sure.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
He most definitely has 20 20 potential, he’s already hit 20 homers in a season and he stole 14 bases in 120 games.
jbigz12
He’ll steal 20 bags in KC because they’ll run him a whole lot more. I don’t know if he’ll hit 20 HRs in Kauffman though. GABP will give you a power boost.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Honestly I’d prefer Singer, but it could be a win for both sides honestly.
warnbeeb
I’m a Tiger fan. I’d much rather face an India/Royals team than a Singer/Royals team.
jbigz12
Unless the Reds are kicking in a serious prospect then this deal sucks for the Royals.
Blackpink in the area
Reds could include a back end starter.
This one belongs to the Reds
I’m sure you would like them to give away more players.
redsorbust
A back end starter? Singer is a #4. Why would the Reds trade a productive everyday 2B and a #5 for just a #4? Anyway rumors rarely happen exactly as written so probably not going to happen anyway. Have a good day.
Bobcastelliniscat
Plus, Singer is coming from a pitching friendly ballpark to GABP. I would avoid this deal like the plague if I were the Reds.
Blackpink in the area
Who is the Reds current number 4 starter if Martinez declines the qualifying offer
He’s worse than Singer that’s for darn sure. Singer would be the Reds number 3 at least.
The Reds have starter depth they just don’t have top end guys short of Greene and maybe Lowder. Singer would be a solid number 3 on the Reds not a 4.
seamaholic 2
It doesn’t. Look deeper. Singer’s on the way down. He was VERY lucky and helped a lot by Kaufman Stadium last year.
jbigz12
#3/4 starters go for $12-15MM for multiple years in free agency and Singer costs about half. Royals did a great job with their pitchers though.
Maybe they feel Bubic and Lynch can do what Singer does.
junkmale
Baseball trade.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yes. Please get that Pita out of the NL Central.
Wire to wire 2024
India is the most disciplined hitter on the reds, I’d like to see him stay.
westcasey
lousy trade from KC end
Blackpink in the area
Reds should include a back end starter like Ashcraft and that would probably be fair.
Bobcastelliniscat
Yeah, no chance of that happening. Ashcraft is Singer pitching in GABP.
Blackpink in the area
Then who is India? It works both ways champ.
Bobcastelliniscat
It would be no body. The Reds shouldn’t consider the deal straight up, let alone sweeting the pot.
Blackpink in the area
India isn’t any good i thought we just established that. So why not trade him?
CaseyAbell
Singer would a major overpay for India. Not to mention that Massey, when he got a chance to play, was a better second baseman last year than India: 1.6 bWAR for Massey in 356 plate appearances vs. 1.7 bWAR for India in 637 PAs. Baseball Reference thinks India hasn’t done much since his rookie year except complain about trade rumors.
I’ll admit that Fangraphs is kinder to India in 2024. As usual, it’s a different defensive evaluation. Not that they thought India had a great year.
Rosenthal may just be pulling this latest rumor out of his rear. But it looks like a bad idea for the Royals.
Blackpink in the area
I think India is better than Massey but they really wouldn’t fit too well on the same team. Perhaps Massey goes back to Cincinnati with the Royals getting Abbott back. 2 for 2 deal.
Wire to wire 2024
Moving abbot would be a mistake
Bobcastelliniscat
What a joke
redsorbust
Reds are trying to trade India because they already have a 2B and as far as I can tell would make no sense to get a 2B back.
Blackpink in the area
Who is the Reds 2b the shortstop who missed all last year?
redsorbust
Major overpay? I respectfully disagree. Singer a #4 starter, was 9-13 on a very good Royals team. He has had one winning season since he started in the bigs in 2020. At any rate baseball trade values puts it as a minor overpay. Oh yea and as far as I know Rosenthal is a stand up guy and not the kind of reporter that pulls rumors out of his rear.
Brady Singer SP 19.4
Jonathan India 2B 16.4
Minor Overpay
rememberthecoop
What, is this the 1980’s? You don’t value a pitcher by his win total. Too many variables, such as defense, run production, relief coming in after his stint, etc. A starting pitcher can lose a game even if he pitches great. I thought we all understood that by now.
Blackpink in the area
Since apparently you are paying for the trade simulator what’s Ashcraft worth? Williamson? Seems like they probably py agree that’s fair.
This one belongs to the Reds
I have never understood why people thonk a guy who hit the field 32 times a year would be more valuable than someone playing 150 games like they seem to have in recent years.
Rking
I can’t tell if you’re joking.
Blackpink in the area
Are you just against trading hitters for pitchers? I guess that’s an opinion.
BigV
Reds need to throw in a prospect or two.
Bobcastelliniscat
Wouldn’t trade India for Singer straight up, let alone include a prospect.
redsorbust
The trade itself at least with baseball trade values is close to being even a slight overpay by the Royals. So it all depends on position necessity for each team. Royals must want/need a 2B otherwise not sure why they are discussing a trade for one. As a long time Reds fan I can tell you if the trade would be made India is a great clubhouse guy, comes to play everyday and is working hard on his defense. He is easily a 1 B kind of guy to slip in to second base if Mclain gets injured who is our 1A. A great safety net which we really needed last year as Mclain was out all year. Singer from what I can tell would make a good #4 starter. Reds could use him in lue of signing Nick Martinez that is if Martinez declines his
$21M qualifying offer. If he accepts that will make things interesting if this deal goes through. Reds will have a good deal of pitching to possibly trade and while you can never have too much pitching we really, really need a everyday RH power hitting OF. Royals outfield looks none too impressive to me.
This one belongs to the Reds
Just like this front office. Need offense, trade away one of your better offensive players last year.
They must be overreacting because they know Martinez is turning down the QO. Typical.
redsorbust
If true and Martinez is turning down the 21M QO then that saves the Reds about 12.5M, make that 18M when you include India’s contract, if this trade goes thru. They can use that to get that preverbal everyday right handed everyday hitting power hitter that they so need. Trading India also frees up the log jam at 2B. India would be not so good at trying to be a super sub.
This one belongs to the Reds
You don’t believe they will do that any more than I do with that money.
Bobcastelliniscat
Except I would much rather have Martinez than Singer. It’s a big drop off. Singer pitching in GABP = Graham Ashcraft.
octavian8
I hate to see India go but at the same time he is expendable with McLain returning. And getting Singer would maybe stabilize the rotation. As far as depth goes I would be comfortable with Espinal as a good depth option at 2B.
Bobcastelliniscat
McLain is coming off major shoulder surgery. It would be foolish to pencil him in for 140 games in 2025.
Bobcastelliniscat
Take a long look at Espinal stats from last season before getting too comfortable.
9/11ths
Trade of inconsistent University of Florida first rounders. When will teams learn to stop drafting U of F players in the first round?
JLinTexas
I see India only made 4 errors this year. Looks like he cleaned up his fielding too.
mlbnyyfan
I wish Cashman would consider a move like this. Pereza for Singer. I don’t think Pereza is in the Yankees future plans now that Durbin could have higher upside
YankeesBleacherCreature
Cole, Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, and Nestor. Who is Singer better than? Not to mention also Stroman, Warren, and Poteet in the mix. lol.
desertdawg
IMO- It’s nothing more than a contract for contract deal, KC and Cincy are looking at the dollar value instead of the talent value in this deal. Both of these players could be used in additional trade packages this offseason,
A's Fan
singer fading badly the second half likely is what is setting this up as a young starting pitcher for a slightly above average second baseman did initially seem like an overpay
DockEllisDee
As a Reds fan I don’t like this for either team, KC could get more for Singer and the Reds should be targeting more offense, perhaps including India in a larger package for a bigger bat
El Kabong
I understand your point, but both teams would probably make other key transactions besides this one.
redsorbust
Much rides on if Nick Martinez accepts his 21M QO or not. If not it’s a good deal for the Reds as coupled with India’s salary it would net save the Reds 18M. That could get the Reds the power bat they need and they would not have to raid their farm system. If KC can get a better 2B for him that another team would make this trade then good for KC.
Bobcastelliniscat
Singer would have an ERA well over 5.00 if he pitched in GABP
baseballteam
A haircut and a shave, and probably a bath, would increase his trade value.