Juan Soto’s free agency will be the primary narrative this offseason until he chooses his next landing spot, though there’s no indication that things are close. The 26-year-old superstar began meeting with teams this week but is still in the early stages of the process. For instance, Sean McAdam of MassLive.com reports that while the Red Sox feel their three-hour meeting with Soto and agent Scott Boras was “productive,” it was more introductory and informative than anything else. The two sides did not discuss years and dollars; the Sox pitched Soto on their plans for the future, their upcoming wave of high-end prospects and other aspects of the organization, while Soto sought to learn about their player evaluation methods, Fenway Park’s facilities, etc. It’s common for early meetings of this nature for top-end free agents to be introductory in nature, so this isn’t necessarily unique to Soto.
The Red Sox haven’t been involved in the deep waters of free agency in recent offseasons. Trevor Story is the lone nine-figure expenditure for the Sox in the past five years. Since signing David Price in 2015, the Red Sox have only gone beyond two years on a free agent four times (Story, J.D. Martinez, Masataka Yoshida and Nathan Eovaldi). Given that, it’s not surprising to see one of the elements Soto hoped to gauge (per McAdam) was the team’s “commitment to winning.”
That said, Rob Bradford of WEEI.com tweets that the Red Sox are approaching their pursuit of Soto with a level of “intent” that we’ve not seen from Boston “in some time.” Intent alone won’t win the bidding, of course, but the Sox have not been characterized as major players for top-end free agents in recent years. All indications this offseason seem to signal a shift in direction.
The incumbent Yankees and crosstown Mets are still perceived by many as the favorites to win the Soto bidding, once formal offers begin rolling in. To this point, it doesn’t seem the process has reached that point. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the Yankees are comfortable going to 13 years and topping Aaron Judge’s $40MM annual salary in order to keep Soto, placing their baseline comfort level somewhere in the $520MM range overall. Most expectations are that Soto will exceed that mark by a fair margin, but it’s a notable starting point all the same.
Meanwhile, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet takes a look at at the Blue Jays’ interest in Soto, noting that as was the case with Shohei Ohtani last offseason, ownership views him as an exception to any other offseason budgetary plans. Toronto’s pursuit of Soto is not an indication that if the Jays miss out on the star slugger, they’ll pivot and spend $500-700MM elsewhere in free agency. Within his previously referenced column, Heyman doubles down on prior reporting that the Blue Jays plan to be aggressive in their pursuit of Soto.
That’s not necessarily the case with all of his expected suitors. ESPN’s Jeff Passan wrote this week that the Dodgers “won’t chase after Soto,” having already committed to nine more years of Ohtani and thus potentially restricting them in the event that Soto eventually needs to spend more time at designated hitter. They’ll be opportunistic and perhaps jump into the fray if the market doesn’t develop as Soto hopes, though that seems unlikely, given the robust demand for his services and a potential Bronx-versus-Queens bidding war.
Up until last winter, with Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto, that was generally how Los Angeles had approached the market under president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman. Though they regularly fielded one of the game’s largest payrolls and most star-studded rosters, most of the Dodgers’ star power over the years was acquired on the trade market (e.g. Mookie Betts, Tyler Glasnow) or developed in-house (e.g. Will Smith, Clayton Kershaw, Corey Seager prior to his free agent departure). Freddie Freeman was the lone big-ticket free agent acquisition, and he came on board with a deferral-laden deal after an extended stay on the open market. That scenario almost certainly won’t happen with Soto.
As it stands, there’s still no expected timetable for when Soto might reach a decision or when offers might be presented in earnest. The fact that the Red Sox didn’t even delve into numbers speaks to the current preliminary stage of the bidding process. It’s always possible Soto could decide he wants to accelerate the process and have a team by the end of the month, but a decision at some point in December feels likelier.
James Midway
I don’t see him deferring money.
RunDMC
If he does, he better be charging credit card interest rates, deincentivizing it for teams. Freeman, etc charging no interest on deferred dollars, while teams makes millions on that until time to payout is borderline criminal.
Fever Pitch Guy
Run – The only thing is with Freeman, he probably would have been offered quite a bit less without deferrals. It’s all factored in.
Kinda like when you go to buy a new Tesla. You either choose financing at zero percent, or you choose all cash at a reduced price.
Same with housing, you can buy a house at a much better price if you pay all cash. As they say, cash is king.
Red Sox fan Eric
When financing cash isn’t always king because companies make money off fees and interest. Buying cash can be easier because your kicking out finance company but often times they could have interest in financing because they have employees that strictly do financing part and they have to keep them busy too. Its like buying car cash at dealer they would rather you finance the car then sell car for cash because in the end they still get their money and tack on finance charges. Baseball teams can offer players more money when they do dereferrals, because they go by yearly profit loss of current year salary’s.
Baseballisthebest
Freeman was offered more by the Braves when you take into account the referrals.
baseballfreak25
What about players like Mike Trout that sign these huge contracts and go missing in action? When these guys actually have incentive to play they tear the scene up but as soon as the ink dries on their huge extensions they become fragile as fine china I think the teams should be guarded against these scammers beyond insurance policies. That’s why prices for a couple to catch a regular would take almost a $1000! But not one person complains about the ridiculous number of times these guys scam teams into the exact same crap just so fans can whine and complain about prices all while players AND owners keep the scam going. The list of players is ridiculous that have been paid millions all while playing less than half the games a year. Sale, Rodon, Trout, Ohtani, and going back over the last 20 years the list is massive of the amount of players that aren’t worth the price of the paper used for their contracts but continue to get paid even when “injuries” forces them to retire the first or second year into a multiple year contract. Strasburg is a prime example! Stop crying about the owners when all these guys are scammers!
Fever Pitch Guy
freak – I think with some athletes they know a serious injury might be coming, so they do everything they can to put it off and sign a big longterm contract.
I can’t speak for all those players you listed, but Sale definitely knew he was injured when he rushed into that extension with the Red Sox.
JoeBrady
RunDMC
If he does, he better be charging credit card interest rates, deincentivizing it for teams.
=========================
Why would one want to dis-incentivize any options? The more options you have available, the better for everyone.
davidrocholl
Anything is entirely possible!!
Poolhalljunkies
Red sox 2024 winter tagline has changed fr om “full throttle” to “Committed to Winning”!
Acoss1331
“We’re super serious this time, Red Sox fans!”
Fever Pitch Guy
Acoss –
January 15, 2025 – Red Sox season ticket renewal deadline
January 16, 2025 – Sam Kennedy announces none of the free agents they targeted “aligned” with what the Sox were willing to spend, but the team is confident with their current players going into the regular season.
jimmertee
Soto is doing the same method as Ohtani did. – Work all the clubs for as much AAV and term as can be had, and then leverage that against the team and city that he actually wants to play in.
And it isn’t Toronto.
Seamaholic
Yeah one gets the sense that this is really just NYC vs NYC, and comes down to how much red ink Steve Cohen cares to spill. I actually believe the Yankees could easily pivot to, say, Walker and Santander, or Hernandez and one of the SP’s, throw in a trade acquired 3B and move Jazz to 2B and call it a fine day.
Ketch
I do like the idea of Chisholm going back to 2b for the Yankees. If they miss Soto, I expect maybe Bregman and a pitcher. Dominguez-Grisham-Judge is a better defensive OF anyway.
Baseballisthebest
Walker’s game and hitting style is an obvious fit in the Bronx and the Yankees need a 1B. I think that regardless of their success or failure in the Soto sweepstakes the Yankees will be going after Walker.
DirtyWater04
It’s a shame the Red Sox have become an unserious organization because on paper he is pretty much exactly what this team looks for in its superstars. And while the environment is certainly a pressure cooker not everyone is built for, if you can handle it and do well to endear yourself to the fans, there are not many cities out there who revere their athletes like Boston does. This could’ve/should’ve been a match made in heaven, but we all know they’re too cheap to do it. They’ll spend all winter bragging about how they were interested though!
Sad.Sox 3
“You see fans…….we were in on Soto”
Zero chance he signs with Sox. Moreover, Sox gave their last 40 Man Roster spot to a 37yo journeyman reliever yesterday.
Fever Pitch Guy
Sad – I’m thinking Pedro and Papi don’t believe the Sox will sign Soto either.
That’s probably why they didn’t bother to join the meeting, even though they are supposed to be the team’s “ambassadors”.
DirtyWater04
Absolutely zero. Glad they went all out on the Powerpoint presentation, though.
And on a more serious note – I’m not too concerned about making room on the 40 man, that’ll work itself out. They’re in a bit of a roster crunch situation from all the youth they’ve been focused on acquiring. Very long list of rule 5-eligible guys in the system. It’s a good problem to have, but it means there will be some musical chairs coming. Trades will need to be made to consolidate assets. Spots will be open soon enough.
Sad.Sox 3
I agree, good problem t have a deep farm system. But, Rule 5 is next Tuesday, couldnt they have signed Wilson on wednesday and put a more valuable prospect exposed to draft on the 40 Man?
Ketch
The Sox have two players to protect – Fulmer and Hunter Dobbins. If they want to protect Jhostnyxon Garcia, he’s the only other one worth considering. But he hasn’t even reached AA yet.
DirtyWater04
Yeah I suppose so. I’m losing track of time, I forgot the deadline is that close. We still have 4 of our top 30 prospects unprotected which made me think they must be cooking up a trade that’s coming, but it’s been all quiet to this point so it’s seeming less likely. Certainly running out of time on that so who knows anymore.
Fever Pitch Guy
Sad – The Sox may have worried there could be more competition for Wilson after the draft. Impossible to know for sure, but highly unlikely.
As for running out of room on the 40 man, that’s poor roster management plain and simple. If there’s a chance the players will get taken, you trade them or clear space by trading other players.
Bruin1012
Garcia has already reached AA but I don’t think he’s ready and highly doubt the password wil be able to stick on a 26 man all season anyway. Dobbins will be protected and I think they should also protect Monegro as well. He only pitched in high A but he was obviously ready for AA and based on his swing and miss stuff I could easily see a team wanting to add an arm like that. I think I would protect Fulmer, Dobbins, and Monegro take a chance on everyone else.
JoeBrady
Unimportant. The important piece is who’s place did he take? If they had to cut me to make room for Wilson, it is probably the right move.
DirtyWater04
I’m pretty sure I read there was an open spot so he didn’t displace anyone in particular. Only the opportunity cost of not protecting a kid from the Rule 5 list.
Bruin1012
Dobbins is 100% getting protected. Fulmer as well unless they think he’s damaged goods but most likely they will. The real question is if you protect Monegro if you do that’s three guys to protect. They have enough fodder to easily protect all three.
Ketch
I do doubt the Sox pass on Soto so they can keep Mickey Gaspar on the 40 man.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I don’t think the Dodgers are really in on Soto. It just doesn’t make sense to spend 5-6 times more than they would resigning Teoscar.
Not to mention all of the injury question marks with the rotation.
Ketch
They aren’t moving Betts back to the infield to make room for Randal Grichuk.
MootScorgoon
True but Soto isn’t long for the outfield much longer and I don’t see him improving his defense.. Dodgers likely checking in for due diligence purposes but who knows.
VegasMoved
They were moving Betts back to the infield last season before Soto was even an option.
CardsFan57
Juan Soto for 13 years or two of Christian Walker, Teoscar Hernández, or Anthony Santander for approximately the same price on much shorter deals? Decisions, decisions.
dasit
shelling out for a generational superstar should be an easy decision
JoeBrady
That’s counter-intuitive. If he takes the best offer, then the presumption is that the acquiring team overpaid by at least a little,
But more importantly, who you sign is probably more important than how much you paid. If Seattle signs Burnes instead of Soto, bad move. And just the opposite, if the RS sign Soto instead of pitching, one again, bad move.
bigdaddyt
I remember this one blue jays offseason where the jays were like guys don’t worry we let EE walk and signed Kendres Morales for half the amount isn’t that awesome. Fast forward to like 3 weeks into the season and things were in fact not awesome!
YankeesBleacherCreature
Soto is going to wait until past the Winter Meetings next month when clubs are going to make more transactions and be more concrete about their offseason spendings.
Steve M.
Just wait for the mystery teams to jump in. So far, this hasn’t been a circus. Will it get to those levels or is this really the Yankees vs. the Mets and nobody else has a shot?
377194
Mets vs Yankees
Yankee Clipper
“And look, Juan, our future projections have us staying under the luxury tax for years to come!”
darkhorses2010
Dodgers should still love Mookie, but might love Soto more, so trade Mookie back to the Red Sox, which frees up tons of $$ for Soto, and would bring back a huge return for Dodger needs now and a few years ahead.
Crazy idea?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yeah. Mookie and his remaining contract are not going to get a great return and I’m pretty sure a trade will piss off their fanbase even if they do end up signing Soto. I’m not even sure where the Dodgers’ Soto rumors are coming from as they need to sign another starting pitcher.
halloffamernobodycares
They have like 11 already. They need more?
Glasnow, Yamamoto, Ohtani, possibly Sasaki, Gonsolin, May, Wrobleski, Knack, Casparius, Ferris is ready in the minors, Ryan and Stone are hurt, but you’re saying the Dodgers need MORE MLB ready arms? I don’t think the Dodgers NEED to sign any pitcher if they get Sasaki. There’s always the bullpen game as well.
I’ve given up on worrying about who and where with this Dodgers FO. They are heads and shoulders ahead of the game….and they have money.
vtadave
Yes, crazy idea.
niched
No way the Red Sox trade for Mookie or any player with that kind of contract. The only way anyone trades for Mookie is if the Dodgers eat a chunk of his contract. Mookie has been great for the Dodgers, and he looks like he could age better than most guys with crazy contracts. But it is an interesting idea to trade him if they are in serious pursuit of Soto and need to free up money to do it. I can’t see it happening but if the Dodgers were able to land Soto then maybe they could trade Mookie to the Yankees or the Mets. Seems like such a long shot that it could happen though.
Fever Pitch Guy
nich – Mookie returning to Boston would generate massive revenue and go a long way in re-engaging the Red Sox fanbase.
DirtyWater04
Well, we don’t have Jeter Downs or Alex Verdugo anymore, so how about we send the Dodgers Connor Wong, Enmanuel Valdez, and Johstynxon Garcia for Mookie back and call it even?
Jean Matrac
If Mookie gets traded his contract becomes even more expensive. His contract calls for the deferred money to be paid out on a yearly basis. Current money is worth more than deferred money.
377194
Mets will outspend everyone and land Soto. They’ll also resign Alonso and sign a high tier starting pitcher.
Jean Matrac
“Mets will outspend everyone and land Soto.”
I agree.
“They’ll also resign Alonso…”
I disagree.
“…and sign a high tier starting pitcher.”
It depends on the pitcher. They probably re-sign Manaea, which, I think, would be a good signing, but probably not Burnes, or Snell. Maybe Fried or Flaherty though.
Old York
Juan, who? Never heard of the guy in all my years of baseball…
Fever Pitch Guy
York – It’s Juan Valdez, interest in him is brewing.
30 Parks
There’s a better chance I sign with the Sox this winter than Soto inking a deal to play at Fenway.
WideWorldofSports
Crazy to me how people are really counting the Yankees out here. Insane actually.
Acoss1331
I have Soto signing with the Mets in the free agent contest. I mean good on the Red Sox for at least showing some initiative this offseason but I don’t see them landing Soto. I think Cohen gives him an offer the Yankees and Red Sox won’t top, at least that’s my opinion.
Ketch
I went Yankees. Given my track record in that contest, it doesn’t bode well for a Soto return to the Bronx.
YanksPhan42
Soto is the best lefty hitter in the AL, but if I’m the Yankees and the dollars reach 600-700m, I pass. Too many holes to fill on the team. Grab Corbin Burns, Santander and Adames for less money while weakening the O’s too
Camikey
I think he ends up back with the Yankees… but if they don’t win it all next year they could have a long wait before they get back to another Series. The payroll will be mostly tapped out; Judge, Cole, and Rodon are on the back 9; and the farm system is only OK. The Yanks will never be bad, per se, but I don’t know if they will be a true contender after 2025.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
The Jays will definitely end up with some combo of guys like Profar, O’Neill, Pederson or Conforto. With Rich Hill bringing up the back of the rotation
Slider_withcheese
Unless I’m reading your tone wrong, you sound disappointed?
Other than Rich Hill, that combo of guys you mention would improve the Blue Jays more than Juan Soto alone would while still allowing financial flexibility. Is Soto a good player? Absolutely. Is he hundreds of millions of dollars and ten years better than a combo of Profar,, O’Neil, Pederson, Conforto? I don’t think so.
drewm
If I were Soto I’d pick the Blue Jays. Being Dominican in America isn’t going to be pleasant for the next four years
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Could you imagine if they rounded up athletes and kicked them out
Yankee Clipper
Uh, did you get that on the View while they were busy discriminating against Hispanic males?
swanhenge
Prospect-wise, the Sox have a “brighter” future than the rest. Could mean something…right? I know it’s a long shot, but one can dream.
The theater of Soto going back to NY as a member of the Sox would be sublime.
leftcoaster
Dodgers don’t like one dimensional players like Soto. They’re merely showing interest to drive his price up.
Bluemarlin528
With a career -5.1 Defensive war Soto won’t be heading to LA. He needs to be a DH and that fits with the Mets or Nationals or ???
Old York
@Bluemarlin528
No speed and no defense pretty much makes him a DH. He might be worth $600 if he pitched but he doesn’t. Even Ohtani was stealing bases last year. Soto only stole 7. Not worth the investment. Price tag needs to come down. Spotrac is suggesting his market value is 14 years, $513,604,210, which still seems high.
Oldguy58
Soto to be a LAD
Another reason Shohei got so much money deferred and another reason Betts is moving to the infield. The Dodgers bottomless pockets are ruining the competitive balance of baseball
leftcoaster
Soto really isn’t a good enough all around player for the Dodgers to be interested in him. He’ll choose between the Yankees, Mets or Giants.
rememberthecoop
Strap it down boys, we’re in for a long ride. Nobody wants to be the first to make a formal offer because it’s only going to be used as a starting point to drive up the market. if they come in too low, they risk insulting Soto and not appearing to be a serious suitor. If they come in high, that won’t get him to sign, and it will raise the ceiling. At least that’s how I see it, but I’m no front office exec so
BCleveland3381
I think if it truly comes down to money, Soto is a met. Cohen has the most and seems willing to spend whatever it takes to get him. My guess is he will have a favorite team and will get the money close enough and go to whichever team that is.