While we’ve started to see some movement in the pitching market, with Blake Snell and Yusei Kikuchi both coming off the board this week, we’ve yet to see a prominent bat come off the board. Some of that is just the naturally slow pace of MLB’s free agency structure, but there’s also surely an element of Juan Soto holding things up to an extent. Fortunately, it doesn’t appear as though this will be a protracted free agent saga that lingers well into the new year.
Randy Miller of NJ Advance Media reported earlier this week that five clubs had made offers to Soto: the Yankees, Mets, Blue Jays, Red Sox and Dodgers. There’s been some back-and-forth reporting as to whether offers from each have been formally submitted, but semantics aside, that quintet appears to be the top set of bidders for Soto at the moment.
Ronald Blum of the Associated Press reports that Soto and agent Scott Boras asked for initial offers to be submitted by Thanksgiving, so even if one of those clubs hasn’t yet submitted a formal offer just yet, it’s likely only a matter of hours before said offer is presented. Per Blum, there’s a growing belief that Soto could make a decision at or even before this year’s Winter Meetings, which take place from Dec. 8-11 in Dallas.
It should be noted that the current wave of offers being submitted is not a collection of “best and final” offers. With any free agent of this magnitude, there will be plenty of back-and-forth negotiations. Brendan Kuty of The Athletic tweets that this initial wave of offers is considered “preliminary,” with an additional round of offers likely coming in next week. Talks will intensify as teams are weeded out in the run-up to the Winter Meetings. Kuty, like Blum, suggests that landmark offseason event as a likely endpoint to Soto’s free agency.
Of the five known suitors, the Dodgers are perhaps the least likely. That might’ve been true even before Los Angeles struck their five-year deal with Snelll last night — one that guarantees him $182MM (with some deferred salary but also a huge up-front $52MM signing bonus). ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported several weeks back that while the Dodgers will be in the mix they’re not expected to chase Soto at all costs. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic offered a similar thinking last night in his breakdown of the Snell deal, suggesting that while the Dodgers will of course remain apprised of where Soto’s bidding lands, they could also be simply trying to drive up the price for more serious bidders in New York, Boston and Toronto.
To that end, Jon Heyman of the New York Post wrote last night that the Red Sox are indeed quite serious in their pursuit of Soto. They’ve sought to sell Soto on the organization’s history of prominent left-handed hitters who’ve taken advantage of Fenway Park’s Green Monster and also enlisted franchise icons Pedro Martinez and David Ortiz to pitch the free agent slugger on the team’s history of touted stars from Soto’s native Dominican Republic.
Meanwhile, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe adds that the Sox don’t view Soto and adding a top-of-the-rotation arm as an either-or scenario. Even if they succeeded in landing Soto, the Sox would do so in simultaneous pursuit of a top-end starter. Red Sox president Sam Kennedy already signaled a willingness to exceed the luxury tax, and Speier notes that the Sox don’t view the $241MM tax threshold as any sort of hard cap. They’re currently $70MM shy of that level, per RosterResource’s estimates.
It’s not yet clear whether any other clubs could jump into the mix late in the bidding process. Phillies owner John Middleton stated earlier in the winter that he didn’t mind being a “stalking horse” on Soto, and there were reports that the Phils planned to meet with him at some point, but USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported Monday that the Phillies have yet to even speak to Boras about Soto specifically. The Giants were an oft-speculated suitor heading into the winter, but they’ve not yet met with Soto and reports have since indicated they may actually scale back payroll rather than spend as aggressively as some anticipated.
giantboy99
Mets
Fever Pitch Guy
giant – I am leaning that way too.
As for the Red Sox, one aspect nobody has mentioned yet is the bad reputation the team has earned over the past 5 years. They have a history of not only being cheap, but also lying.
Kenley was furious that he signed with them based on the promise they would GFIN …. and of course they lied.
Add to that the way they’ve treated star players like Mookie, Xander and Sale …. that’s not something a player like Soto would ignore.
If the Sox do sign him, they will have to pay a lot more than every other team …. I just don’t see that happening. But I’d be perfectly content if they sign one of Eovaldi or Burnes, acquire Crochet and a good closer like Scott or Hensley.
seamaholic 2
This is all just pure bs (and I’m far from a Sox fan). There is no such reputation.
Fever Pitch Guy
seam – There’s like a million articles out there about Kenley, the Xander and Mookie and Sale debacles, the lack of acquiring talent in the offseason, and 3 straight years of doing virtually nothing at the trade deadline despite the fact they were in contention each time.
What do you have to support your opinion? I’ll wait.
birdmansns
Soto will take most money and not care about anything else.
FletcherFan
Boras: “Boston just offered you the most money”
Soto: “But they didn’t buy at the deadline in 2022 and didn’t beat 11/280 for a 30 year old with chronic wrist issues!”
Fever Pitch Guy
Fletch – Tell that to Teo and many other free agents who turned down similar or better offers from the Red Sox because of their lack of commitment to winning.
Losing is not fun. I know you can’t relate, but most employees want to enjoy the work they do.
And you of all people should know that once you have earned a bad reputation, it’s very hard to shake.
acell10
Money talks. If the sox have the best offer he’ll take it.
all in the suit that you wear
FPG: There is no proof of a bad reputation with players. Journalists are not players. You would need quotes from a lot of players to show any kind of reputation.
Blue Baron
Fever: What does GFIN mean?
Fever Pitch Guy
Blue – Go For It Now
roob
Going to NY. Bank on it. Yanks or Mets.
Phree4u
So. No news.
just_thinkin
But we clicked
lemonlyman
They gotta write about something.
Old York
Let’s hope he goes to the Dodgers. We need an All-Star team playing 162 games and win them all.
VegasMoved
I hope it happens just to watch people’s heads explode.
Fever Pitch Guy
Vegas – I hope it happens so that Soto becomes the first player in sports history to cost a team more than $100M in one season.
cpdpoet
VM, you are faaaar from alone on this take.
-Lifelong Phillies’ fan
bruinlife33
That would be cool. $500 beers, $1000 for parking, ever Dodger fan saying “we” in front of every sentence. It will be sublime for baseball
10centBeerNight
Soto knows. But he ain’t tellin
Big whiffa
Idk. Lots to consider when Mets are clear favorites. He might end up in Boston for less money
uvmfiji
So the Dodgers won’t be in the bidding war. Yankees versus Mets. I’d say Mets, hope it’s the nationals
Mikenmn
Mets, then Phillies, and I’m a Yankees fan. Red Sox aren’t really serious, although he’d be spectacular there. LA just spent a ton. Some teams will just try to drive the price up.
jbryant0693
I’m sure you have all the inside scoop.
Mikenmn
Nope, nothing more than an opinion. Not claiming anything beyond that.
seamaholic 2
Oh the Red Sox are VERY serious. They are $70m under the tax threshold. It would be very easy for them to match the Mets or Yankees.
Mikenmn
Agree that Red Sox could. But I think they’d deploy their money elsewhere. Just a guess.
Fever Pitch Guy
Mike – Agreed!
And what some people fail to realize, the Sox added around $14M to this year’s CBT payroll by extended Rafaela and Bello, neither of whom had earned it.
I’m fairly certain they will have at least a couple more extensions given out over the next 4 months or so. Houck & Duran/Abreu (if not traded) are prime candidates, maybe even Casas and Anthony.
Miken31
Semaholic, I’m still going to bet on the guy with the most money. I’ll say Mets.
metsin4
Phillies haven’t even talked to Soto.
Mikenmn
I know, I still think they will be in.
Captain Dunsel
They weren’t talking to Cliff Lee either until….
Cat Mando
philliesnation.com/2024/11/philadelphia-phillies-j…
Yankee Clipper
I have Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, in that order.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
It will be the Mets because Boras/Soto made everybody come to them in LA to make their presentation, but Soto/Boras went to Steve Cohen’s luxury compound to hear his proposal.
Blue Baron
Ignorant: I wouldn’t read much into that.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah it was kinda silly.
Fever Pitch Guy
Clip – I wouldn’t rule out the Jays. The city is great, the exchange rate is phenomenal. the stadium fills up when they are winning, and playing with Vladdy is a huge draw for Soto.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t see Soto picking the Jays unless Vlad gets his contract extended. Not to say the both of those can’t happen, maybe they would both get announced at the same time but I’m not sure Atkins can pull that off. Let’s just say I would be surprised at such a coordinated two-fer.
DarrenDreifortsContract
1 year/25 million prove it deal and then we will talk about 500 plus million.
Tigersin2050
And what is he proving exactly?
d-rock2322
I am genuinely confused…the article says that the Red Sox left handed hitters historically have taken advantage of the Green Monster. The Monster is in left field…wouldn’t that give the advantage to righties?
seamaholic 2
No actually. The monster has always been a huge target for oppo fly balls from lefties. The original Yaz made a HoF career out of that. So did Ortiz.
d-rock2322
Awesome info, I was not aware. Thanks for the response!
Dustyslambchops23
Ortiz hit less than 10% of his HR’s to left field
DirtyWater04
Great point, and it’s not like he also finished, say, 10th all time with over 630 doubles or anything like that.
Blue Baron
seamaholic: The original Yaz? There’s only been one. Mike doesn’t count.
That’s like calling Pete Rose the original Charlie Hustle. Pete Jr doesn’t count.
parkdav
Lefties who can go oppo tend to feast on the monster
d-rock2322
Thanks for the info, much appreciated!
whyhayzee
It’s not called wall ball for nothing. Fenway is where doubles are made off the Green Monster, triples are made in the triangle and homers are made inside the Pesky Pole. Lots of batting champions and many are left handed batters. Runnells, YAZ, Boggs, Mueller, et al.
Julius
Bob Nutting, I have the craziest idea…
bluepelotas
Mets
Beernbaseballguy
So 2 years ago we go Arson Judge, last year the infamous flight to Toronto. So my prediction this year it’ll be Juan Soso is signing with (insert whatever team he’s not signing with here).
Bobcastelliniscat
The Reds!
jvent
Hopefully either the Yankees resign him or he goes to the Blue Jays, as a Mets fan we can get the other top free agents (Santander, Adames, Buehler, Sasski and Walker) let’s get them all Mets we can get all 5 for between $100-$125 mil, than we can trade Baty, Mauricio, Tidwell and another prospect to CWS for Crochet and have a rotation of Buehler, Crochet, Sasaki, Senga and Peterson. Trade McNeil and Marte for relievers
Mikenmn
I like this kind of ambition.
vtadave
“ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported several weeks back that while the Dodgers will be in the mix they’re not expected to chase Snell at all costs. ”
– Insert Soto for Snell there I assume?
Yankee Clipper
You are correct, he was referring to LAD not pursuing Soto.
si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/dodgers-fans-won-t-love-th…
Sagacity
Soto needs to pick a team that can stay in the playoff race until they face the Dodgers. That’s not the Mets and that’s not the Yankees. His best shot of winning a ring is either the Dodgers or Phillies. The problem with the Phillies is they have Schwarber so Soto will have to play outfield which is not one of his strengths.
So we shall see. Is it only about the money or is it about finding the team that is most likely to compete with the Dodgers who are now the modern day Yankees. Baseball has gone back in time with the recent actions by LAD. The Yankees won 21 of 42 rings through 1962 by completely outspending all the teams. It’s the Dodgers turn now.
Will the Dodgers be like the pre-1962 Yankees and dominate the game for decades or the post 1962 Yankees who shot themselves in the foot every time they went for a big name but not a big talent. Time will tell.
I’m curious to see how over the top the Dodger spending is going to be. Will Soto go to LA too? That would be insane but we thought spending a billion on a player was insane before last year!!
slider32
NL teams are out on Soto, the Dodgers are the only NL option if he wants a sure thing! I think the Phillies and Braves missed their window. Wait until the sign Adames and Teoscar!
Blue Baron
Sagacity: The Mets did stay in until they faced the Dodgers, and they wiped out the Phillies along the way.
What were you watching?
Ma4170
The Mets and Yankees both just stayed in the race in 2024 until they faced the Dodgers. If Cohen spends to bring in other high-end talent too, Mets are a definite factor.
sullylv
Sagacity, I hate to bust your bubble but, before 1975 a clause in a players contract’s essentially tied a player to their team indefinitely preventing them from freely negotiating with other teams! It was called the reserve clause. So, stop with the BS about the Yankees or any other team spending money on players until after 1975!
cpdpoet
Hope he signs w/ the Sox so the Phillies can get Yoshida
bosoxfan33
interesting take lol
swanhenge
I like everything about this take. Clearing Masa off the roster opens up so many options.
Poolhalljunkies
With regard to the red sox the impact Soto could have on thier lineup reminds of the Manny Ramirez signing.
swanhenge
As teams make their pitch to Soto, I’m sure they’ve all offered up their plans on how they’ll improve during this off season. I wonder how that conversation goes…
Say Boston… “Juan, we plan on signing one or two of the top pitchers to improve our team. We’ll be well suited to compete for years to come.”
Soto…”Show me the receipts and we’ll talk.”
Does a Fried/Burnes deal have to preceed a Soto signing?
SewaldSwansonSwoon
If Papi and Pedro are working at the behest of the BoSox then they should not be allowed to commentate on nationally televised games or events.
Candlestoked
Rays.
Mynameisnoname
The Yankees just raked in an estimated 70 mil in playoff gate receipts and that doesn’t include concessions, parking, etc.
If you want to get Hal’s attention, it’s through a friendly bar graph to share with investors and Soto brought in revenue this club hasn’t seen in over a decade.
I think Hal’s magic number is higher than most believe, so Cohen may have to enter silly territory to truly separate the Mets from the pack. Maybe I’m a biased Yankee observer, but I see this as a 50% NYY, 42% NYM, 8 % Others race.
good vibes only
It would be a big black eye if the Yankees get outbid here. They might not be a playoff team without Soto.
If they don’t match or beat any offer he gets they instantly lose the offseason.
BaseballClassic1985
No it wouldn’t. If Soto doesn’t come back, the Yankees will fill out their roster with some of the other available free agents.
Yanks will be a playoff team next year with or without Soto.
BaseballClassic1985
Hal, I hope you offered no more than $40 million per for 10 years. Soto is not a better hitter or overall player than Judge, who also has 2 MVPs.
The market for Soto isn’t large, so there’s no need to feel like you have to escalate offers. If Cohen wants to be stupid, let him at it.
Yanks would be better served signing a few of the other free agents to fill the many holes they have.
HiredGun23
Las Vegas…
johncoltrane
Mets are very committed beyond $$
I heard cohen is renaming shake shack to soto shack
And mets creating A new tm dance called the soto shuffle
deepseamonster32
The Royals better get that offer in soon
redsorbust
There seems to be some correlation between the best players and the few teams with by far the most money to spend year after year after year so I will predict the lands with one of those teams. Yawn.
BlueSkies_LA
I’m a skeptic of the “driving up the price” theory. No team wants to drive up the price of free agents, as this is their main cost of doing business. If the Dodgers are in the Soto bidding with no objective other than driving up his price to another team, then they are bound to pay more in signing other free agents. Since it’s self-defeating, I don’t see this as really happening.