The Dodgers continue to load up, as they announced their five-year contract with left-hander Blake Snell Saturday afternoon. The deal, which is pending a physical, comes with a $182MM guarantee but reportedly includes $65MM in deferrals ($13MM per year) that’ll reduce the net present value to the $160-165MM range. Snell, a client of the Boras Corporation, receives a $52MM signing bonus and limited no-trade protection, while the deal includes a $5MM assignment bonus in the event of a trade. The contract does not contain any opt-out provisions and covers Snell’s age 32-36 seasons.
It’s the offseason’s biggest move to date and represents a much quicker resolution than Snell’s previous trip to the market. The star southpaw was coming off a Cy Young campaign last winter. The long-term deal he sought didn’t materialize, leading to an extended free agent stay. Snell went unsigned into March before joining the Giants on a two-year deal that guaranteed him $62MM and, more importantly, allowed him to opt out after the first season.
Snell had a dismal start to the season. He allowed more than a run per inning over his first six appearances. He landed on the injured list twice in the first three months while battling groin discomfort. As recently as the middle of June, it looked like a near-lock that Snell would bypass the chance to return to free agency.
That all changed as soon as he returned from his second IL stint. By the end of the season, there was no doubt he’d pass on the remaining $30MM on his pact with San Francisco. Snell was the best pitcher in baseball down the stretch. Over his final 14 starts, he turned in a 1.23 earned run average while holding opponents to a .123/.211/.171 batting line that looked like a throwback to the days when pitchers hit.
Snell struck out more than 38% of batters faced over that run. He had five double-digit strikeout performances and fanned at least eight hitters in 10 outings. Snell had the best two-start run of his career right around the trade deadline. He struck out 15 over six scoreless innings against the Rockies on July 27 before no-hitting the Reds with 11 punchouts on August 2.
The overall numbers were still weighed down to some extent by his terrible first two months. He wrapped up the year with a 3.12 ERA and a 34.7% strikeout rate over 104 innings spanning 20 starts. That’s a strong season but didn’t earn him a single Cy Young vote. The overall platform year was less impressive than the 180 innings of 2.25 ERA ball he posted during his ’23 campaign in San Diego. Snell finished the season looking every bit as dominant as he’d been during his Cy Young years, though.
It seems the Dodgers are attributing the first two months to some combination of an abbreviated Spring Training and the injuries. While this year was the most extreme example, Snell has been a slow starter throughout his career. He has a 3.95 ERA and 28.4% strikeout rate in the first half of his nine big league seasons. The ERA plummets to 2.39 while he has raised his strikeout percentage above 32% after the All-Star Break.
The main knock has been his lack of consistent durability. Snell has reached the 180-inning threshold on two occasions — his 2018 Cy Young season with the Rays and his ’23 award-winning campaign. Outside those seasons, Snell has topped out in the 125-130 inning range.
That’s not a concern for the Dodgers, who have shown they’re far more interested in chasing upside than bulk. Los Angeles acquired and extended Tyler Glasnow last offseason even though he’d never topped 120 MLB innings in a season. The Dodgers will give Shohei Ohtani another chance to pitch coming off his second significant elbow surgery. They’re almost certainly going to reunite with Clayton Kershaw. They’ve graduated a number of talented pitchers from the farm system but seen a lot of them go down to injuries.
It’s an approach geared heavily toward the postseason. The Dodgers prioritize pitchers who profile as potential Game 1 starters. They’re very willing to assume injury risk while chasing that ceiling. That left them woefully short on starting pitching in 2023, resulting in a sweep at the hands of the Diamondbacks in the Division Series. The injuries mounted again this fall, but they had just enough in the form of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Jack Flaherty and Walker Buehler to patch together an October rotation. With a star-studded lineup, that was sufficient to lift their second trophy in five years.
Snell arguably fits that mold as well as any pitcher in baseball. Among pitchers with at least 200 innings over the past two years, only Reynaldo López and Tarik Skubal have a lower ERA than his 2.57 mark. Snell’s 32.7% strikeout rate is second, trailing only Glasnow by a fraction of a percentage point. No one has a higher swinging strike rate.
The Dodgers have four pitchers who could start the first game of a playoff series. Snell, Ohtani, Yamamoto and Glasnow are each capable of providing ace-caliber production on a rate basis. It’s unlikely all four will be healthy come playoff time, but the Dodgers have no shortage of talented options behind them. Kershaw figures to be back in the rotation mix once he re-signs, while Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May and prospect Nick Frasso are returning from major surgeries. Bobby Miller is looking to rebound from a terrible sophomore season after turning in a 3.76 ERA across 22 starts as a rookie. Landon Knack and Justin Wrobleski are capable depth arms.
That’s before considering the possibility of further acquisitions. The Dodgers will surely make a push for NPB ace Roki Sasaki, who’d arguably be the fifth starter if he went to L.A. Even if Sasaki signs elsewhere, the Dodgers could pursue Garrett Crochet on the offseason trade market and/or continue adding starting pitching at the deadline.
Of course, the ability to stockpile this kind of rotation talent is a reflection of the Dodgers’ financial might. Even if other front offices share their general approach to valuing upside over durability, few ownership groups are willing to match L.A.’s spending. The Dodgers had generally shied away from pitching splashes under president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman, but that has changed over the past calendar year. This is their third nine-figure pitching investment since last offseason (fourth including Ohtani). They signed Yamamoto for $325MM and extended Glasnow on a deal that included $110MM in new money.
MLBTR ranked Snell as the #2 starting pitcher in the class and predicted a five-year, $160MM contract. The deal’s actual value lands right around there. The specific NPV won’t be clear until the deferral structure is revealed. The expected $32-33MM luxury tax hit indicates the deal will have a net present value in the $160-165MM range. That’d be the second-biggest luxury tax hit on L.A.’s books, trailing only the approximate $46.1MM CBT number on Ohtani’s heavily deferred $700MM contract.
In any case, the deal is likely to push the Dodgers’ competitive balance tax figure north of $300MM. They’ll almost certainly land in the fourth and final tier of penalization, which begins at $301MM. The Dodgers are subject to the highest tier of escalation penalties for paying the tax in at least three straight seasons. The Snell deal itself will cost the Dodgers something in the range of $25-30MM in taxes by vaulting them from the middle of the second penalization tier to the start of the highest tax bracket. Future spending will be taxed at the maximum 110% clip.
It’s a major commitment but one the Dodgers are well-positioned to make. They’re coming off the revenue bump associated with a World Series win. More importantly, the structure of Ohtani’s contract allows the Dodgers to continue stockpiling talent. While the Ohtani deal was not an end-around the luxury tax, there’s a huge benefit from a raw payroll perspective. Paying the NL MVP a $2MM salary for the next nine seasons is a big reason they’re able to continue taking on huge money in the short term.
Snell slotted alongside Corbin Burnes and ahead of Max Fried as the top starters in this year’s class. In addition to fitting the Dodgers’ general preference for high-ceiling arms, Snell came with the benefit of not costing draft compensation. He’s the only of the top three starters who wasn’t issued a qualifying offer. Snell had received the QO during his first free agent trip, so the Giants could not make the offer this time around. Burnes and Fried each rejected a qualifying offer and would’ve cost the Dodgers their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2025 draft and $1MM from their ’26 bonus pool for international amateurs.
Burnes and Fried become the clear #1-2 options for the other teams seeking top-flight starting pitching. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reported this evening that the Red Sox, Yankees and Orioles were also in the Snell bidding. They’ve all been tied to top-of-the-market starting pitchers — Boston especially — and should remain active on that front in the weeks to come.
MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported the Dodgers and Snell had a five-year deal, shortly after the pitcher revealed on Instagram that he was joining L.A. Jeff Passan and Jorge Castillo of ESPN first reported the $182MM guarantee. Fabian Ardaya of the Athletic reported that the deal contained deferrals that would drop the net present value to the $32-33MM range annually. Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times was first with the $52MM signing bonus, while Feinsand had the limited no-trade protection. Jon Morosi of the MLB Network reported the absence of an opt-out clause. Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the presence of an assignment bonus, which Harris relayed at $5MM. Heyman first reported the exact breakdown of the deferrals.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
28rings
“Luxury Tax” Dodgers strike again
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Imagine they sign snell and Soto and sasaki
Joemo
Sasaki is basically free, he can only sign an IFA deal and will be subject to the arbitration process. So that one isn’t about just chucking money at him
deweybelongsinthehall
I am sick of one team doing this. George nor anyone else never controlled the FA market like this. It is not good for the sport and there needs to be a hard cap in my view. Obviously to get that done, the PA needs to see the books. Back in the day, Bowie Kuhn voided the sale of Fingers, Rudi and Blue to the Sox and Yankees because he recognized it was not in the sport’s interests. I feel bad for fans of AZ and CO especially. While surprises can and do happen, why invest as a fan into a team when this happens?
niel.marshal
“why invest as a fan into a team when this happens?”
Sports fan everywhere except US:
First time? LOL
Look at the brits, they know 2 Manchester teams will buy any good player with the highest price, did it stop the fans from Leicester City to support their team? NO.
Its always happen. Teams with biggest fanbase and biggest wallet always does this everywhere, because its simple logic. Capitalism and Free Market. 2 things that actually comes from America, but unfortunately, the people from the birthplace of the capitalism and free market didnt get used to this. They want more and more socialism in their sports.
deweybelongsinthehall
No. Sports like baseball are a business and sometimes you need to protect even yourself. I wouldn’t invest as a fan on baseball todsy. If it was such a great universal model, why doesn’t the NFL (which is a better comparison) in my view allow unlimited budgets? Imagine if something happens ten years from now like another Madoff scandal. The Mets were severely punished because they could no longer meet their future obligations. Fans got bailed out with Cohen buying the club but what if there is not the next Cohen? Unless you’re a Dodger fan, how can this be good? As a Sox fan, I’ve suffered recently. Not because the team was lousy most seasons but because ownership refused to try. They could have done more with the less they bad. Or fully torn it down instead of giving fans breadcrumbs. They may spend this year but the foul taste of the recent past will remain a d fans will wonder if an injury happens or it just doesn’t work out, will Henry again close his purse?
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Dewey
Premature to comment when hot stove is just beginning.
Premature for drama when Dodgers have not won back to back World Series.
Anyone who wants to bet even money on the Dodgers winning the 2025 World Series and I get the other 29 teams? Of course not.
The Dodgers made a smart gamble here. If Yamamoto, Ohtani, Snell and Glasnow are all healthy, they have a beautiful playoff rotation even without Kershaw and Gonsolin.
Anyone really think all four will be healthy all year?
Dodgers payroll right now is less for 2025 than 2024, have to see whole picture.
bestone
No, no, no…..a hard cap is the worst thing for a sport. This is not some league where everyone gets a trophy for participating. The cap ruined the NHL. The wealthy owners like it because the wealthy teams make even more money.
Perhaps there are too many teams. Maybe what is needed is a tier2 league, where the poor performers drop to, and top teams move up to the premier division.
If your team does well in the premier division, the top players come to your ballpark..
stan lee the manly
It’s not even remotely close to a “gamble” when you are just signing every top free agent every year. It stopped being a gamble a few years ago.
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Bestone
No need to change anything. Dodgers barely beat Padres. Freeman saved the Dodgers against Yankees. A salary floor for under-spending teams would be nice but is not happening. The sky is not falling. The hot stove is still early.
lfcredsox
what an asinine comment, one of the dumbest things I ever read in my life
bcjd
The United States is not the “birthplace” of capitalism and free markets. People have exchanged goods for money for thousands of years.
bcjd
America is not the “birthplace” of capitalism or free markets. People have been exchanging goods and services for money for thousands of years.
Rays in the Bay
@best
A hard cap did not ruin the NHL at all. Would you care to elaborate how a hard cap ruined the NHL? Yeah I hate the idea of losing Stamkos because the Lightning didn’t wanna pay him over his value which was affected by the hard cap. But it ensures that other teams have a fair chance to pay for NHL talent. The overall value of the sport is lower though so every team has a chance, unlike baseball.
Baseball needs so much fixing. The very first thing they need is a floor. Make sure owners are spending. Next is a cap. The Dodgers and Mets basically destroyed the balance of the game by setting precedences of these high salaries. Now player salaries will go up with teams unwilling to spend. Something’s gotta give because this circulation is not good for the sport. There are more players than teams so guys will either be overpaid on the Dodgers or underpaid on the Twins. If they’re underpaid they have no incentive to try too hard.
Paleobros
It was a gentleman’s sweep.
Psychguy
Enjoyable distractions like baseball are no longer any more what’s happening is a microcosm for what’s going on around us. A sad state of affairs only going to get worse.
3768902
Pretty sure capitalism wasn’t “born” in America.
slider32
No wait, how many championships did they win in a row?
RedFraggle
Bruh…They won the series 4 games to 1. And even if “Freeman saved the Dodgers” he’s on the team and they won the games.
Sad.Sox 3
I softly disagree. Teams are free to buy whomever they want. Colorado, Tampa, Pittsburgh……these teams all get a share of luxury tax money. Not one of them uses it as intended, which is, to buy more players. No team is desolate, no team is losing money (thats why they dont open their books). If the Dodgers signing everyone gets other teams to open their FA wallets then it has to happen,
Captain K-Midd
@MLB Top 100 Commenter – Don’t forget to add Sasaki in there for a song
Sad.Sox 3
Why do billionaires need a cap to save them from themselves? They write the checks, if they’re dumb enough to give a player $60mm a year, that’s on them.
If you want to spend, spend. If you don’t want to spend, don’t. If you don’t put a winning team on the field you’ll eventually start to lose money.
How come the Rays owner doesn’t use his share of the luxury tax money to buy players, as it’s intended?
dpsmith22
haha The NHL has the most parody of any professional sport. You are badly informed.
D-fan
Try too hard like Anthony Rendon?
Even when you give the money, you don’t always get their best.
I’m all for a salary floor but needs to come with a ceiling also…. You can’t have one without the other…. If there was a ceiling, the teams would go by it, but players will cry…if there is a floor, then the owners would cry(some anyway).
I’m enjoying the success the Dodgers have had because it’s not my money…. I would not be doing this…. I would act more like the Braves…..
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Captain
Sasaki may go to the Padres, or a New York team. He would be a huge get for any team, including the Dodgers
JoeBrady
I am sick of one team doing this
========================
It’s not one team. If there was only one team bidding, the salaries would be half as high as they are now.
As of today, Cots has them as $305M. Both NY teams ran higher payrolls in 2024. And I suspect both NY teams, as well as Philly will be at that threshold by the end of the off-season.
Sad.Sox 3
You hit the nail right on the head!!!!!! The Braves have the recipe for success. Yes, develop your own team, yes, trade for really good players, and yes, sign free agents.
BUT, once you get those players, and you want continued success, extend them on good terms that work for owner and player.
Go Alex A.
Freeman’s agent
Dodgers are a corporation with multiple partners who are all billionaires. They share the cost and share the benefits. Other teams should follow this model.
Oldguy58
Ohtani will bet on the Dodgers
Psychguy
Have the most money does not guarantee success, good organizational management must also be present. That said, as a Dodger fan I’d prefer to watch home grown talent or talent garnered by trade where both teams benefit.
HankAaronDidGreenies
Yeah no. Billionaires should spend money.
We need a floor, not a cap.
luvochka
It’s a pity people always think capitalism and free markets are the same thing. You don’t even need one to have the other, capitalism is about the control and use of capital, and we know what the other is.
bcjd
It’s not worth lamenting the lack of comprehension from a commenter who thinks capitalism and free markets were “born” in America. The ignorance is astounding.
Captain K-Midd
@bcjd – Adam Smith, Scottish fellow
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Last I checked, Dodgers only won one World Series in the past four years. The planet is still spinning just fine. Let’s see the rest of the hot stove befor drawing too many conclusions.
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Joe
Exactly.
bcjd
Epicurious was regaling the sins of capitalism around 350 BCE.
LordShade
You thinking capitalism was invented in America is all I need to know about this hilariously misinformed opinion. Did you go to school?
DTownWarrior97
so you would prefer to have only 4-6 teams truly capable of winning a WS title every single season? If you say yes, then you are obviously a fan of one of those teams. If you say no, then you agree! This is quickly becoming a problem and people will start to turn the channel.
TJECK109
So you believe if the Pirates use the luxury tax money every year they will be able to keep up with teams like the dodger and padres?
bootsday29
Winning the series isn’t the point. They still spend and make money when not winning the series.
bestone
I didn’t say anything needed to change.
If anything, rather than a salary cap, I’d like to see the mlb divided into two keeping the top teams in a premier division, and the weaker teams in another. The top team in the weaker division and bottom premier team swap positions annually.
YourDreamGM
There is a cap and a floor. It’s just too far apart and not called a cap. You have to pay a minimum salary and if you don’t go beyond that the player union complaint that mlb doesn’t pay attention to. And going over tax 3 times isn’t something teams want to do. Many teams use tax as a cap or excuse to fans to keep payroll lower. It’s too far apart to be effective.
Small markets must be happy because the owners keep agreeing to this arrangement. They are either getting enough $ to contend or don’t care about winning. Probably the latter.
bullred
Luke Skywalker and the rebellion had no chance going up against the evil empire. They should have just given up. Sometimes it’s extra sweet to win when you’re a long shot.
John_In_WI
The players union will never allow a hard cap.
Sad.Sox 3
Yes, i do want teams truly capable of winning a WS every year. And, my team is not one of them. I want 28 teams capable of winning. That’s how you boost viewership. This idea that parity is what people want is nonsense. Parity is by definition mediocrity because everyone is in the middle.
What I want is my owner to spend as much as possible within their limits EVERY YEAR, not sign one player to placate fans and then take the next 4yrs off.
I want my owner to bring in STARS.as well as develop home grown talent. These are not mutually exclusive. The idea that they are was fed to us by cheap owners in Tampa and Oakland and now is gospel
Sad.Sox 3
ITS A START, ISN’T IT?
If i use the money each year to sign ONE player, in four years you have 4 players. But, when you sign ZERO players you amass ZERO
Dogbone
@psych: Spot On. And once mu sk and the orange nitwit get their way with bitcoin – look out below – after they make their billions.
bestone
The NHL has been ruined because teams are punished for winning. To be successful, there has to be chemistry on the team. This is developed through wise drafting and development. There will never be dynasties again!
A team cap results in a pyramid shaped pay structure on each team. The guys know who gets “paid”. Athletes that make it, generally have egos…because they’ve won for most of their life, and have been the reason their teams win. This pyramid also means there are many guys making minimum. It’s easier to fill in these spots with rookies, because they are eager to be there. If a player wants to get paid…they have to move to another team that is underperforming. They may be underperforming because their system, drafting and development is poor. It’s a hard way to end a career.
Perhaps instead of a cap per team…maybe a cap per player based on position? E.g shortstops get paid more than second basemen, but less than pitchers….just a thought…
Teams can load up with top end players, but it keeps the salaries on the earth.
bestone
Yes!
sax332n86
You’re sick of it? Well, then maybe they’ll call it off. It is called the free market, and Blake Snell is free to shop his services wherever he may like. The Dodgers are also free to sign who they want, since this isn’t the NFL with a salary cap. I’m sure if your precious BoSox weren’t a 4th place quality team that were still a destination for free agents that you wouldn’t be taking issue.
Thanks again for Betts. Remind us again what you have left to show for that deal…
differentbears
What have the Pirates been doing with the revenue sharing money they get now?
Enrico Pallazzo
Oh right I forgot that all top free agents sign with LA every single year. Like when Seager, Turner, Scherzer and Degrom all signed there. And when they signed Harper and Judge. The Dodgers sign EVERY SINGLE TOP FREE AGENT. What an idiotic take. Keep crying.
Tigers3232
There actually is a floor. With minimum salary the current floor is minimum x 26. That’d obviously woefully inadequate.
Many teams would put up a ton of resistance to any meaningful floor but have lived with current defactor floor. Maybe a solution would be keep the current defacto floor but have stringent requirements for revenue sharing teams. Requiring them to spend a certain high percentage if not all shared $ as well as the defactor floor(minimum x 26).
With the luxury tax not being a hard cap a soft floor seems like it would complement it well.
Tigers3232
@Rays I once wished there was a cap as well. If you want a negative example of a hard cap, look at the NBA. Most of the trades in the NBA require at least 3 teams these days and at least half of those included are essentially having contracts moved and the player is cut immediately.
Teams have been trading poor contracts for decades. With the NBA it has become a part of nearly every trade.
I do agree something more than the luxury tax has to be done. But it’s impact on the NBA is what has made ne leery of a hard cap.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
That’s not true. The Yanks had a much larger payroll than the rest of the league. In 2005 there was a 69% gap between them and the #2 team, 61% in 2006, 52% in 2008 and 59% in 2009. A team would need to have a payroll of roughly $450 million this year to be equivalent to those Yankees clubs.
MadmanTX 2
I think a hard cap is one thing, but the spiraling cost of signing one guy for half a billion dollars is ridiculous. In my lifetime, we’ve gone from signing Nolan Ryan to a million dollar contract to whatever Soto is about to cost some team. TV revenues are down for some teams that limits competition. It’s going to end up being the same 2-3 teams playing in the World Series every year at some point. This recent throw back to Dodgers-Yankees is what used to happen all the time and likely will happen over and over from here on out
desertdawg
Kinda makes one wonder if this no matter the cost that the Dodgers go for, what if a team just went and sold off their players to other teams at bottom dollar. Would MLB put a stop to that? You bet they would saying that it is not in the best interest of the MLB. But you sure don’t here that with the big money signings. What if the Dodgers say sign Soto, then Burnes, then Fried would that be in the best interest for the MLB to have one team with a payroll of say 500 to 600 million for a season.?
Led Hoyer
The As spending 30 million more dollars isn’t t going to change a thing.
JackStrawb
” 2 things that actually comes from America,”
…would be ignorance and arrogance, an evil combination. The idea that the US gave birth to the ‘free market’ (we’ll pretend those actually exist above the level of small villages), is what’s typically ‘American.’ Good god.
Tigers3232
It’s crazy people there’s people who still believe our Corporate Oligarchy is a free market. With Super PACs and other ways to all but flat out by a vote(s) market is not even close to being free of outside influence. Which is one of the vital ingredients of a free market
920falcon
They will never allow even a soft cap.
Tigers3232
Sadly I think you re right. Owners pick who runs the collective monopoly. Small markets have clear motivation to oppose. Others could fear less talent for them to aquire and increasing value of the mid tier free agents.
There doesnt seem to be a win/win answer but this is one of those points in the game action seems necessary. And to Dodgers fans it was usually the Yankees most other points like this, so this is not said to pick on solely the Dodgers.
itsmeheyhii
How’s ManU lookin on that table tho lol
Frenchredsox
Let’s be clear : MLB is neither capitalist nor a free market . The process of obtaining players is exactly the opposite – you are drafted and are locked into a contract where the player has limited (some would say none) freedom.
Secondly , the league itself is monopolistic – all teams whatever their record are guaranteed to play the next season. The example of football/soccer is poor as a bad team gets relegated and replaced by another. Both Manchester clubs have spent time in inferior divisions and lost revenue and players ( clauses in contracts or simply forced to sell because of pay.)
The inequalities in baseball are due to finances but that hasn’t stopped Rays being relevant for 10+ years or the Rangers winning in 2023. Simply the Dodgers have a plan that works – combining great drafting, trading , FA signings and usage of analytics to improve the club. And unlike some other clubs they USE THE SYSTEM to their benefits (deferrals – enormous signing bonuses).
One point that is also rarely mentioned but valid in this case is that Snell , even after 2 CY wins still hasn’t a ring and at his age maybe that also played into the deal. Athletes aren’t bankers or stock market men – they’re competitive and want trophies and recognition- and at the moment Dodgers’ guarantee to be competitive for the next 3-4-5 years with an MVP, a stud in Mookie, Freeman and a rotation that every contender envies .
Frenchredsox
That’s actually not totally true . You can’t “buy” most players (you can offer FA contracts ) because of the draft . The majority of players are unilaterally contracted due to this and even “forced” to play for one team for 6 years. So yes , Colorado or Tampa can offer similar deals to the Dodgers but is it financially viable ? 23 30+ year olds whose later years are a burden on the team ?
Even if teams are owned by billionaires they have to have a semblance of economic balance and certain markets are simply smaller. The Rays are competitive usually because they have good scouts , analysts and coaches – and certain large market teams are uncompetitive because they don’t. That’s why dynasties are so rare nowadays but the biggest issue there is no actual penalty for tanking or being bad. In other sports like Soccer in the rest of the world – the worst teams are relegated for uncompetitiveness thus forcing Owners and teams to try . The White Sox this year just broke a record for the most losses and their reward ? Staying in the league and having the highest chance of getting no 1 pick in the draft !
Tigers3232
The issue in MLB is there’s a handful of teams with stakes or ownership in their own media networks. Other teams are dealing with failing media deals or have reason to be skeptical of the viability of their deals.
These media deals are one of biggest revenue streams. The gap between haves and have nots looks to be only getting worse.
Tigers3232
@Dewey What happened to the Mets was an event that was unprecedented historically. They invested with the former Chairman of the NASDAQ. Numerous celebrities and powerful figures were also hid victims. It’s one of these things you can’t simply plan for. Even if they had the results would ve likely been same, Madoff was committing fraud and covering it up until fincial it was unsustainable.
There are just simply things that are out of everyone’s control.
Tigers3232
@bestone Nobody is asking for anything to be handed for free. People are getting tired of the huge disparity in talent. Many are just asking for an equal shot at the one trophy.
Current system creates almost 2 sets of rules. I to am leery of a hard cap and I don’t know what the correct answer is. I do feel it’s something MLB should be actively researching a solution to.
Hammerin' Hank
There was nothing wrong with Finley selling off his stars, and Bowie Kuhn should have stayed out of it
Pete'sView
But it may be what kills us as the rich get richer, the middle class spenders are gutted, and competition is only between the remaining behemoths. It’s true in every aspect of American life.
The Player’s Union should demand a floor and be willing to have a ceiling cap. And walk out if the Owners balk. But they don’t have the guts because they’re still making boo-koo bucks. It’s the bystanders/fans who lose.
Tigers3232
That’s not guts that’s ignorance considering the tumultuous history of the 2 sides in regard to bargaining.
demian
@niel.marshal The two Manchester teams don’t do that, there are 6 teams in the UK spending a lot. And city is spending way less the last couple of years exactly because they have a very good team.
I agree that Leicester fans fir example support their team regardless, but what the dodgers are doing is ridiculous.
Bivouac-Sal
“failing media deals” result from not enough people watching. put a decent product on the field and voila, an audience and a better media deal.
Tigers3232
@Bivouac With cable the networks were getting paid x amount from each subscriber. The result was every network bring paid regardless of the customers preferences.
The change in how customers use media has flipped the business model. The MLB like all others are trying to adapt as it shakes out.
As for the product it’s the same game it has aways been that has been ever evolving since it’s inception. If your comment was of the so called “traditionalist” variety, there is not a human alive who has watched any MLB game played by its original “traditional” rules or form.
ghostofmookiebetts
The United States may not be the birthplace of capitalism but it certainly has bastardized it to the point that it only truly works for a small minority of people.
ghostofmookiebetts
@tigers They’ve been running the bases the wrong way for awhile now! lol
Blue Baron
bootsday29: Sounds to me like a smart operation.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Most teams can do the same thing the Dodgers do if they actually felt like trying.
Bivouac-Sal
Tigers
You are also getting an equal share of 48% of ALL MLB TV revenue (as do all 30 teams) , not to mention the same piece of merch, concessions, sponsorships. That is not to say the teams with the richest tv/radio deals don’t make more. Of course they do.
Tigers3232
The shared TV revenue only applies to a small portion of overall TV revenue. Of I remember correctly it’s for the nationally televised games on broadcast channels. It does nothing to even the playing field as far as media revenue.
Bivouac-Sal
actually the shared revenue is from ALL local tv money and all national tv money.
morssglobalfinance.com/major-league-baseball-finan…
Tigers3232
blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-update-the-estimated-loca…
This article gets into the $ shielded from the revenue sharing. There is a reason these #s vary by source and many of the sources trying to put definitive #s are rather obscure sources.
Tigers3232
What is a constant is nearly every credible source states Dodgers and Yankees have a huge advantage due to their very lucrative media deals.
Bivouac-Sal
no dispute there. they have more money than every other team.
Doral Silverthorn
The Dodgers signing everyone? How come the Padres get a pass for the last five seasons in which they’ve turned their roster over three times? Because the Dodgers got Ohtani? They missed on Soto, Hader, Machado, Darvish, Cease, everyone they’ve been rumored to be in on, and where did every one of them end up?
Doral Silverthorn
Padres also got Bogaerts, Taylor Scott, Pomeranz when he was good. They’re literally in on every single person available at all times and the Dodgers get dumped on…Gary Sanchez, Joe Musgrove, Michael King….the list is endless with the Padres. The Dodgers have maximized their signings for sure, but also missed out on Harper, Cole, Seager left, Turner left, no Judge, Scherzer left…there’s more. FOH when you say it’s only the Dodgers.
Tigers3232
@Doral This is not just about the Dodgers. The disparity has been around for decades. Most of which the Yankees were clearly team benefiting the most. Red Sox and Mets have often been guilty of the same. Padres and Rangers both were guilty recently and even Tigers did it to an extent while contending.
Having teams spend more does provide some value and creates villains for fans of smaller market teams. So to say it is universally bad is not true either.
Currently though the media deals have exaggerated problems that have long persisted in MLB. This is not the first time a team has pushed boundaries and much of the crying foul involves false perception. A ton of fans have all these misconceptions regarding deferrals and think that they are providing advantages that they simply are not.
The worst thing about the Ohtani contract is all the fans who don’t understand deferrals crying foul. Ohtani’s agent seemingly knew that inflating the contract #s with the time value of $ would add to the Ohtani lore and further fuel his immense endorsement revenue. It seems to have come at the cost of many questioning integrity of the sport. Ultimately Ohtani’s deal is not that far off Judge’s in present value and likely will be exceeded by Soto in present value. Yet this number $700M looms large.
Bivouac-Sal
it’s amazing in the face of all that Padres glory that the Dodgers win anything.
Tigers3232
I’d say Bogey was a mistake for the Padres. That $ would ve been better spent elsewhere. They ve also missed time with Tatis and endured pitching injuries. They obviously aren’t alone there but it still had an impact.
All in all though it shows while the big spenders usually end up in playoffs, it guarantees nothing. But there is a clear advantage to spending and usually gets a team at least into playoffs.
ghostofmookiebetts
Baron you’re nothin but a two bit troll. Buh bye.
fox471 Dave
They signed one FA. Good lord!
fox471 Dave
Just wasting your time , top. Reason does not have a home here.
fox471 Dave
Here we go. Another sad puppy hating success.
Gator50
Oh good. Now the Dodgers payroll is only $315 million.
Miken31
They’re not signing Soto.
Skyrider123
Soto just saw the Dodgers celebrate their World Series championship on Yankees turf. He knows how good that team can be for years. Why wouldn’t he want to be a part of that team? Everybody thinks he’s going to sign with the Yankees or the Mets. If there’s any other team that has the better chance of signing him it would be the Dodgers
rmullig2
He isn’t willing to defer money and the Dodgers aren’t going to pay the full cost of a 600M contract.
Miken31
For one he wants to be on the East Coast. Also, these things are cyclical. Yes the Dodgers won a championship last year, but that doesn’t give them the right to win every championship now. The Mets and Yankees were both amongst the final four and have a shot at the World Series as well. Not to mention Steve Cohen has more money than anyone. Just stating a fact there. Obviously, I don’t really know where Soto is going to go, but it’s extremely unlikely in my opinion that he will end up with the Dodgers.
Doral Silverthorn
@rmullig2
signed, Juan Soto?
tuck 2
Here’s a clue – Soto is changing teams but is not moving his residence
Joggin’George
Yes, there are basically four or five teams that will win the majority of WS from here out.
giantsphan12
@joggin, yep! The Dodgers,
The Yankees, Google and Meta. Nothing like some variety!
Smacky
He’s not leaving the East Coast.
lemonlyman
@Joggin’ that’s what they said 30 years ago and MLB has the best parity of any major American sports league.
Whiskey and leather balls
They’ll just throw a 400 mill signing bonus at him and take the hit in year one
l9ydodger
That would be the only road block to me.
The biggest tr0ll
I know we’ve had this debate but it’s one of those three: Yankees, Mets, or Dodgers. One of those three will sign Soto. I think Snell was plan B for the Yanks if they didn’t get Soto, so we will see how they pivot from that one
paddyo furnichuh
LAD don’t need another stud future HOFer LHB like Soto.
LAD did “need” another reliable elite SP
LAD have more of a need for Teoscar back or another solid RHB OF.
Please refer to the Lerner offer Soto turned down if you think he’d take going with a winner for less money in lieu of the most guaranteed money he can get.
His profile along with his agent (yes, also Snell’s -but clients can assert themselves) really looks like it’s Cohen paying record contract for Soto.
ghostofmookiebetts
lemonly pays attention.
Dodger Dog
You are right about everything here. My personal thoughts are the Mets probably blew their shot by not blowing Soto away with an offer. My thought is he ends up somewhere else in the east.
Dodger Dog
Accurate
Dodger Dog
I think the Phillies are quietly lurking
Pads Fans
His residence is in Coronado.
Pads Fans
CBT is based on AAV.
roob
Steve Adam’s just predicted in today’s chat that the Dodgers wouldn’t spend big on a free agent.
PiazzaParty
Dodger dog
There’s no way he waited all these years to NOT hear every offer this winter. What offer would’ve kept him from taking other meetings, a billion dollars?
Skruf
….. and Fort Lauderdale, Florida
larkraxm
Mets fans. So arrogant. I think that the Mets are being used to get the Yankees as high as they will go, which is his preferred destination. The Yankees are the most storied franchise in the history of professional sports, and the Mets are an expansion team that wears the same uniform as the Boise State Broncos.
Baseballisthebest
Pads, Really hate the way the threading works here. Whose residence is in Coronado?
stymeedone
Yes, lets sign the most expensive player at a 110% penalty topper! A glaring mistake in the article says that other teams aren’t willing to spend at the Dodgers level. The correct statement is they aren’t ABLE to spend at that level. (Maybe the NY teams). It’s an unequal playing field.
deweybelongsinthehall
Long commute to Toronto … lol
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mike
Not a good idea for Dodgers to sign Soto unless league creates two DH spots
Anthony maresca
Plus every Soto dollar will cost 110% tax so even if Soto deferred 60% of his $700 million contract the hit would be $506 million just on $460 million full value meaning Soto will cost $1.1 billion plus the deferred money owed. Its not happening period
stan lee the manly
@lemonlyman there has never been a gap this big between the top spending team and the bottom. 30 years ago it was the Grand Canyon, now it’s the entire Pacific Ocean. Unless something is done to preserve parity, it is dying at a very quick rate
JerseyShoreScore
Smart!
slider32
In baseball more than any other sport, the best team on paper doesn’t always win
Brackiss
Personally I wouldn’t consider it winning. If their payroll is 5 times the average, it’s more like they bought the ws.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Soto is not going to the Dodgers. Goodness. Money seems pretty important to him and no way the Dodgers provide the best contract for him. It’s all Mets or Yankees.
Miken31
Dodger Dog:
Huh? How did the Mets blow their shot? I realize you’re just giving your opinion but it’s based on absolutely nothing. Everyone is just submitting their bids now and negotiating. Nobody blew anything.
Miken31
larkraxm
Yes, Mets fans are so arrogant. Yankee fans have never been known for their arrogance… I mean your post now reeks of arrogance. Not everyone in the world is dying to be a Yankee just for the sake of being a Yankee. That brand has certainly become a little stale.
Hammerin' Hank
Soto doesn’t care which coast he winds up on. He just wants to get paid the maximum dollars he can get.
Miken31
Hammerin Hank:
I think you’re wrong. Why does it matter with Japanese players when they want to be on the West Coast but it doesn’t matter with Soto, who wants to be on the East Coast, closer to the Dominican Republic? The fact is, it does matter. Geography matters and it’s been reported repeatedly that he prefers to be on the East Coast. Now, if there was more money coming on the West Coast, that’s a different matter, but the fact is there’s going to be just as much money, if not more, coming from the Mets and Yankees.
Baseballisthebest
Anthony, the CBT is recalculated every season.
Baseballisthebest
Soto and Boras both said it doesn’t matter. Are you saying you believe writers over the horse’s mouth?
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Of course they’re going to say it doesn’t matter because they want every team involved to give the highest offer possible. The guy wants to be as close to home as possible.
ghostofmookiebetts
@mike that’s just ridiculous. There are plenty of Japanese players on the east coast and Dominican players on the west coast. It’s always about the money. The only time geography comes into play is when the money is the same or you’re in your 40’s, still grinding and want to be close to your immediate family like Morton.
Miken31
GhostofMookieBetts:
Good Lord, of course there are Japanese players on the East Coast and Dominican players on the West Coast. I didn’t say that they won’t play on the opposite coast. I just said it’s a preference. When you’re trying to negotiate contracts, you’re looking for every edge possible and these are general preferences.
ghostofmookiebetts
Mike, that’s fair but I’d argue that it’s a preference for select individuals
Miken31
GhostofMookieBetts:
I 100% agree with you. Some people could not care less where they play. I’m only putting it out there with Soto because I’ve heard he wants to be close to his parents in the Dominican Republic. Listen, obviously I’ve had no conversations with the guy and who knows but I’ve heard and read many times that he prefers the East Coast to the West Coast. Of course I don’t know that completely to be true, but if the money is close or all the offers are close something like that certainly could become a deciding factor.
ghostofmookiebetts
Agreed. If the offers are close and the teams are both committed to winning then he most likely chooses the east coast
mlbdodgerfan2015
I’d take that bet any day of the week. Couldn’t be more wrong. That’s not how MLB postseason works. Take a look at the last 25 WS winners of this decade alone. White Sox, Marlins, Royals, DBacks, Rangers, Nationals and even the freaking Angels have won. 16 different teams won an WS over the last 25 WS. I don’t think that’s going to change. Yes, there will be a a few teams with multiple WS. Even the Cards won twice so not sure why you’re crying so much. Dodgers hadn’t won one since 1988 when the Dodgers won it in 2020.
The biggest tr0ll
And most people don’t even count 2020…
Baseballisthebest
I take it you believe every conspiracy theory. The earth is flat. The moon landing was fake. Elvis is still alive.
Baseballisthebest
Quick search of Baseball Reference shows more Japanese players have played in NYC than LA.
Baseballisthebest
Do a search for Soto buys house in Coronado. After reading 3 or 4 people post about that he lives there, I looked it up. $20 million house on the water.
So no matter what you heard, Soto lives in California. I bet that is why teams came to California to meet with Soto.
Baseballisthebest
As well they shouldn’t troll.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
I’m not sure if what you posted was meant for me. If it was, it’s so absurdly out of line it’s not even worth responding to.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Appreciate the research. Obviously not every player is the same. You’d have to have lived under a rock to have not have ever heard that many Japanese players prefer to play on the West Coast because it’s closer to Japan. That doesn’t mean that every player is going to end up in that situation. I’m just discussing a preference. And it’s been reported that Soto has a preference to play on the East Coast because it’s closer to his parents in the Dominican Republic. Really not crazy or far reaching stuff.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest :
I wouldn’t doubt that Soto has several homes. He did play for the Padres so I don’t know when he bought that home. At the end of the day I think it’s all pretty moot because I would say the Mets want him more than any other team and they have a principal owner who has more money than any other owner in the game so that’s where I think he’s going to end up. You don’t have to be so stuck on the West Coast East Coast thing we can just leave it at that.
Baseballisthebest
Mike, The threading is terrible on this site so don’t know what you are even responding too that I said.
Baseballisthebest
Bottom line is more Japanese players have played in NYC than LA.
Soto lives in California, not Fort Lauderdale as has been reported including by the writers on this site. Sometimes you actually have to do your own research and not believe what writers that get paid to get you to click, not to be correct.
Not believing what you find out to be a fact because someone else reported something different is really kind of crazy.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
I totally agree. It’s impossible to follow a discussion on this site. I have no idea why it’s the way it is. Let’s just forget it. Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving! Lol.
Baseballisthebest
Soto has 2 homes. One in the Dominican Republic and one in California.
He hasn’t lived in Florida since 2021 when he sold his house in Fort Lauderdale.
He sold his house near DC in 2023.
He bought a $20 million house in Coronado in 2023.
He had teams meet him in California this offseason.
He doesn’t live in Florida. He lives in California.
All of those are things you can do look up yourself. Its not hard. Then you don’t have to repeat someone else’s opinion or say that Soto is lying when he says that it doesn’t matter where the team is located.
Miken31
Baseballisthebest:
Scott Boras is also located in California and I read they met in his office. That’s why teams were meeting in California because that’s where Boras is located. I’m assuming he bought in California when he was on the Padres as i read he bought there in 2023. And it would make no sense for him to buy a new house when he knew he was going into free agency. Again, his parents live in Dominican Republic and I read he wants to live long-term as close as possible to where they are. Why would he have bought a new host house before free agency when it hasn’t been settled? Again, it’s all a moot point because I feel he’s going to end up with either the Yankees or the Mets and I’m thinking the Mets.
Baseballisthebest
Mike, I think he will sign with the Mets or Yankees too because they will give him the most money. Then live in his $20 million Coronado waterfront mansion in the offseason. Because for all but a few major league players, where they live in the offseason or where their parents live has no bearing on where they sign to play. What matters is who gives them the most money.
CardsFan57
So he will likely buy a house in whatever city the team he signs with plays. That sounds like what he’s been doing. It makes perfect sense. Now, “Show me the money!”
fox471 Dave
Only fummirs.
Pads Fans
Best, Soto.
Pads Fans
A 2592 mile drive.
Pads Fans
There are 12 active players from Japan. 7 didn’t sign originally with a West Coast team and 8 of those 12 do not play on the West Coast now. 2 played in NYC in 2024, both with the Mets, and 2 play in LA. 2 play with the Red Sox, 2 with the Cubs, and 2 with the Padres.
West Coast = LAx2, SD, SF, Oakland, and Seattle. I didn’t include any contracts signed so far this offseason since they have not played in that city yet and the offseason is not over so we don’t know what other moves will be made.
There have been 71 players to play in MLB from Japan. 21 originally played with a West Coast team. 7 with the Dodgers. 50 players with teams that are not on the West Coast. 41 originally played with “East Coast” teams. (Red Sox, Mets, Yankees, Nationals, Orioles, Rays, Marlins, Braves, Phillies, Blue Jays). 14 originally played with a team in New York city, 10 of those with the Mets, 7 with the Red Sox.
Of all the teams that have had a player from Japan play with them at some point in their career, the Mets have had the most at 18. Seattle is 2nd. Boston 3rd, and the Dodgers 4th.
When I have a little more time I will go through all of them that has signed as FA and where. A fun exercise.
PiazzaParty
I appreciate the effort this took, pretty interesting especially that the Mets had 18 Japanese players already!
Pads Fans
Miken, what you just said isn’t true. It doesn’t matter what you have “heard”.
Most players from Japan have not played on the West Coast. Its not even close. 50 out of 71 originally signed to play elsewhere. 41 originally played with East Coast teams, meaning current AL and NL East teams.
Apparently most players from Japan prefer not to play on the West Coast based on their actions.
Pads Fans
Miken, look it up. It was all over the news. Soto does own 2 homes. One he bought for his parents in the DR and the one in Coronado. He has not lived in Florida since 2021 and he sold his place in the DC area in 2023.
Soto made $23 million in 2023 with the Padres, had not yet made $50 million in his career to that point, and he bought a $21 million home in Coronado that year.
He MIGHT have done that because he knew he was going to sign a huge contract in 2025 so he could afford to buy and sell a few of that size home. Its more likely he absolutely loved the area and wanted to spend his offseasons there for a very long time.
Sometimes common sense has to take the forefront and saying “oh that guys owns homes everywhere” is not common sense nor is it true.
Smacky
Pearl Harbour sympathizer ownership. Mets ownership is un American.
Pads Fans
Smacky, put down the crack pipe.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Signing Snell, Soto, and Sasaki would be an all-time, amazing alliteration.
VonPurpleHayes
It would be splendidly stupendous.
Blue Baron
VonPurpleHayes: It would be something surprisingly spectacular solidly setting a standard for stupendous success.
Pads Fans
Still less than the $1 billion they spent last offseason.
HalosHeavenJJ
It’s still early.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bart
Snell, Soto and Sasaki is super silly star situation
DarrenDreifortsContract
We don’t want or need Soto.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, but he helps with the alliteration.
Doral Silverthorn
said no one ever
Blue Baron
DarrenDreifortsContract: We? What team’s roster are you on?
avenger65
This reminds me of the NY Cosmos of the North American Soccer League. They hoarded the best players in the world, like Franz Beckenbauer and Pele, and became so dominant the rest of the teams couldn’t come close to competing. The league folded after about two years, give or take MLB won’t fold, but it isn’t particularly healthy for the league for one team to have all of the cookies in the cookie jar.
Blue Baron
avenger65: They don’t.
lemonlyman
I’m a season ticket holder. Do you think people shell out tens of thousands of dollars for tickets without feeling a sense of identity with a team? I feel sad for you.
Wren
I agree but doesn’t seem like the FO sees it that way
Blue Baron
lemonlyman: That’s nice. But it’s still juvenile to refer to a team as “we” when you don’t actually play.
I had the privilege of meeting Keith Hernandez on a flight recently. He played 7 seasons with the Mets and has broadcast their games for 19.
In our conversation, even he referred to the Mets as “they.” That’s called being an adult.
Dodger Dog
The NL West and East are both going to be pretty competitive for a bit.
angelsfan1391
You know what’s juvenile? Someone getting their panties in a bunch over how someone else refers to the team they root for. Go back to your dungeon and stop being a troll.
Blue Baron
angelsfan: Remember when I asked for your opinion? Me neither.
Let me guess, your parents are cousins.
proton
Blue Baron did anyone ask your opinion? Didn’t think so.
Let me guess your parents are brothers. Sounds stupid when someone writes it doesn’t it? In retrospect you sound stupid.
My team the Mariners are going to sign Sasaki and trade Castillo. Would we have the best staff in MLB with Sasaki? Depends on how he performs if like in the Nippon league have to be one of the best. I wonder what we could get for Castillo? Would be nice to get out from his contract. That is money we could spend on a bat. We deserve Sasaki since the Fallen Angels lied to Ohtani and pulled him away from us. You watch he won’t get hurt playing for the Dodgers. A team that knows how to use their staff. He wouldn’t have been hurt in Seattle since we know how to use our staff too.
Blue Baron
proton: Were you born on the highway? That’s where most accidents happen.
Look, I certainly am not perfect, but at least I’m not you.
Unclemike1526
We all knew they were going to sign one of the FA P’s at least. So the mystery is over. So why is everybody moaning?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Baron
Your first sentence would have been fine, the second sentence is inappropriate
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Proton
You managed to sink to his insult level
leftcoaster
But the Dodgers only have 8 championships. The league shouldn’t do anything until they at least pass the dominant Yankees.
Frenchredsox
There is want and stopping your competitors having him . Soto is young and a generational bat – a game changer like Ohtani and one of the reasons the Yankees got to the WS.
Now if you can get that on your team it simply deprives your opponents of a weapon. The Dodgers will be in the last 3-4 suitors and even if it isn’t their priority they will willingly bid to drive up the market price , just to cripple their competition.
Blue Baron
Frenchredsox: And what rule or law would that violate?
Doral Silverthorn
@avenger
Yes, because soccer.
Miken31
FrenchRedSox:
I get your point, but if it’s the Mets who get him, they certainly will not be crippled. They can afford Soto and a whole lot more.
Led Hoyer
For sure. What team would want the best hitter in mlb in the last decade?
Sayhay88
Don’t want to
frankf
That’s going to be one hell of a starting 3 (4 if Ohtani’s in) assuming those guys are ever healthy at the same time.
JerseyShoreScore
Yup, the S.S.S. Off-Season Plan!
ChiSox_Fan
And trade for Crochet
aaronharper
Damn, I hate the dodgers. For real. I hate them.
fox471 Dave
Of course you do.
fox471 Dave
They aren’t signing Soto.
padam
Deferred dollars is going to be interesting. This is going to be one hell of a staff now.
Joemo
They need to make the contracts cost the full amount ahaindt the luxury tax regardless of the deferrals. The massive increase in Ohtani’s tax value would prevent them from signing some of these players.
Kubanis427
Salty??
Joemo
No? Just telling it like it is. I would rather my team sign Burnes, Fried or Sasaki
BaseballBrian
No, he played for the Red Sox.
YourDreamGM
Deferred $. Every team can do this. No reason to hate the Dodgers for being smarter than your team.
Joemo
My team has had contracts with deferred money so…. Good try?
The whole point of the luxury tax is to punish teams from spending too much. By decreasing the luxury tax hit from a defferal, you’re going against the whole point of the luxury tax. Might as well do away with the luxury tax at that point.
Yankee Clipper
Joemo: I don’t think your assessment is correct. All co tracts are evaluated the same way for the purpose of the luxury tax penalties, to my understanding: the total contract valuation divided by the years of the contract, thus providing a calculated AAV.
Now, with that said, it does save the LAD real mi eh they aren’t paying out which gets mandatorily put into an investment account and earns interest.
In short, there is a pecuniary benefit, but it’s nothing to do with the luxury tax.
Joemo
Yankee – look at the extreme example, Ohtani. His salary is 70MM yearly with 68MM deferred. This makes his luxury tax hit yearly at 46MM.
spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/24661/shohei-ohtani
If the full 70MM counted towards the luxury tax, they’d be paying an addition 24MM + whatever the penalty is for being over the tax.
Yankee Clipper
Yes, that’s true and from that perspective I understand what you’re saying. To clarify, I also wasn’t suggesting your opinion is flawed regarding the deferment of money, but it’s been allowed in MLB for several decades. I don’t think it’s a wise practice, but many teams have done it, just not to the extent of Ohtani’s deal.
You have a good point though – if they want to curb the deferment practice, penalizing teams at the rate agreed upon would certainly make an impact.
YourDreamGM
They are being punished. Just stretching out the punishment. Your team hasn’t done it enough. Not at LA level or you wouldn’t be complaining.
Blue Baron
Yankee Clipper: Which many teams also do. There aren’t separate rules for the Dodgers.
YourDreamGM
For the record I don’t care if they keep the current system or change it so you can defer $ at all or something in between. Just the dodgers are doing what every team agreed to be possible to do. Any team can and other have do this. Just nothing compared to LA who obviously has much more $ than most the teams.
JSC Cubbs
No, there is. Other teams can’t pay 300 million, even if they can avoid 20 million via tax dodging.
For this, we hate the team that corrupted the last CBA and bought a world series without paying the rest of us what they owe.
Yankee Clipper
Your Dream: I feel exactly the same way…. It’s not a matter of whether I like the deferments or not because it’s the system that’s in place and any team may use.
paddyo furnichuh
No, the CBT is to encourage a high level of competition across all teams each year and there are penalties to dissuade owners from going too far over the limits.
However, Ohtani is a unicorn with a unique international appeal that translates to LAD having a unicorn-like advantage in revenue over most if not all other teams in MLB.
Dodger Dog
Im actually surprised they still let teams defer money, as it makes a franchise way more difficult to sell if they have future payroll obligations that far out. Look at Washington, they haven’t been able to find a buyer mostly due to the deferrals in the strasburg and scherzer deals.
Bivouac-Sal
@Dodger Dog
Yeah who would want to buy the Dodgers?
Blue Baron
JSC Cubbs: Speak for yourself. “We” don’t hate any team.
920falcon
Actually, it’s the MASN deal that is holding up a sale of the Nationals.
DroppedThirdStrike
Luxury tax is based on the value of the money, which is fully accounted for in the case of deferrals. Any case made to the contrary is rooted in the gratuitous C- grade received in high school economics.
slider32
Get used to it, the Dodgers are the new Yankees, plus they have the climate most players like!
Baseball Babe
No every team can’t do this. The player has to be willing to take the deferred money and players will make an exception to be on a super team. Not so much for the White Sox or Marlins. Plus only a handful of teams — really possibly only the Dodgers and Mets – have the financial resources to give out a $52 million signing bonus. It’s extraordinarily unfair and non competitive for the sport.
User 1939973770
Eventually the Dodgers will have more salary committed in deferred money than the A’s or Rays are spending on their entire payroll that season.
Mazinger31
It has less to do with being smart and more about understanding the situation. The Dodgers play in a big market, making players more willing to take deferred money. The Dodgers also can afford to absorb the costs of paying the deferred money without much issue. While all teams are allowed to do it, using deferred money doesn’t make sense for many teams.
Stealing Signs
No, the whole point of the luxury tax is for the cheap @ss owners who don’t want to spend money to benefit from those who do.
Stop feeling sorry for billionaire owners who’d rather pocket profits than improve their teams.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@ckc12737
Try in about 18 months time. The deferrments have to made within two years of the start of a contract. So on opening day 2026, the Dodgers have to bank $46 million for Ohtani. If you add the deferrments to Betts, Freeman and others, I guess you’ll be close to the A’s & the Ray’s.. .
User 1939973770
No, that isn’t true.
Yankee Clipper
Which part? Sorry, I don’t know if you’re responding to me or someone else.
User 1939973770
not you, there was a comment that salary deferrals for ohtani were to be paid out within 24 months or something. but it’s gone now?
Blue Baron
Joemo: Who are “they?” And there’s no rule being violated and no magic wand anyone can wave to change anything.
Joemo
It would probably need to be in the next CBA.
And it’s completely legal you’re right, but goes against the whole purpose of a luxury tax.
If you’re going to say hey you’re paying this person 35MM for the 2025 season, but their luxury tax hit is only 26MM due to the deferrals, you’re not actually punishing them for spending more money. Their luxury tax hit for 2025 should be 35MM.
YourDreamGM
Kicking the $ down the road it will eventually have to count. Eventually they will have to cut back on contract spending. That will be when Mookie Ohtani Freeman etc are non MVP level guys nearing the end. They are taking advantage of their studs when it makes the most sense to do so. It’s a smart completely legal move as you acknowledged. Easy to hate the Dodgers but you should be hating your stupid team for not doing it. Other than Nationals fans whose team has done it.
Blue Baron
Joemo: Whether any team should be punished for its spending is based on a socialist concept and highly debatable, which is why negotiations around it are so contentious.
JSC Cubbs
Manfred could change it. It is the commissioners obligation to protect the spirit of the competition. He has done it before when he did not allow the padres offer to Aaron Judge.
Different sport, but it’s the same as when the nfl banned the Holy Roller after it “didn’t break any rules”. It broke the spirit of the rules and must be changed.
No, the dodgers didn’t “cheat”.
Yes, they won a World Series, and that should be acknowledged.
How they bought that championship needs to be fixed.
And Ohtani must pay state and federal taxes on his 680 million he intends to leave America for, but that’s another issue..
Flyby
@yourdream
I agree it should eventually count but it doesnt in the end for tax purposes ohtani will only count for about 480M total where his contract with deferments is around 700M so the dodgers save about 220M probably closer to 450M if they are consistently hitting the taxes.
if they took 48M for each of his playing days and 22M for his deferred years i would agree with the way it is done.
YourDreamGM
I thought it all counted whether 2025 to 2035 or 2045 to 2055. Still don’t care. It’s legal. Every team can do it.
Same with cap. If I owned a flyover team or fan of one I would want a cap. If I was in a mega city I wouldn’t want a cap.
TheGr8One
We have Bobby Bonilla day for a reason. Orioles are still paying Khris Davis. Deferred money not new.
kingbum
The one constant that happens every year is inflation. What the Dodgers are counting on is that the CBT tax level will double from where it is at right now. If ya got a $500 million budget all the sudden $70 million is just a 15% hit. All the while ya collected interest on that money as well
MLB Top 100 Commenter
In some respects, it is a government-sanctioned monopoly.
Teams are slightly penalized for spending.
The system is not broke, despite the economic difficulties flowing from broadcast deals, baseball is healthy and thriving. No changes are needed to the current system, although players and owners can always explore agreed-upon adjustments. To me, it is not broken and does not need fixing.
JerseyShoreScore
100s of contracts have had deferrals, lets not pretend this is a NEW or Dodgers issue. Bobby Bonilla has decades of deferrals!
maxmilna
Crybabies crying again.
Wire to wire 2024
Sports are only fun if it’s competitive, go watch the globetrotters
paddyo furnichuh
Tell Bob Nutting… or even Crane or Ricketts
The latter two are owners of MLB teams of the 3rd and 4th most populous cities in the US. Yet they spend more like they love Nutting and despise Guggenheim, Cohen and Steinbrenner.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Interesting argument on baseball not being competitive when most fans claimed that the Dodgers 2020 WS was not real and that the last time they won a WS was 1988. Seems like baseball has been plenty competitive.
As good as the Dodgers roster will be most likely there will be a new 2025 WS champion. Baseball postseason is unpredictable. Better team doesn’t always win. It’s not always like 2024.
IsIt2025Already?
Weird how that seems to be fans over every team not in NY or LA!
Joggin’George
You think the same four teams dominating every year is good for the sport?
VegasMoved
What teams are you talking about? The 2 titles in 36 years Dodgers? The no titles in 15 years Yankees? The no titles in 38 years Mets?
Joggin’George
I’m talking about the FUTURE. Things have changed. Moving forward, a small handful of teams will dominate.
Joggin’George
Understand the point I’m making is based upon the CHANGES that seem to have suddenly occurred. The top teams are suddenly outspending the rest by a much wider margin than in the past.
Pizzaboy
They tend to dominate the regular season. Playoffs are a bit of a crapshoot
YourDreamGM
Not only spending more but spending wisely. Especially Dodgers.
JerseyShoreScore
Yup, those are the top payroll teams in recent years…
Dodgers were laughingstock as recently as two months ago, wasting money, opportunities, and just ONE full season world championship since 1966!!!
mlbdodgerfan2015
Who are these top 4 teams? They don’t dominate every year. Dodgers lost in NLDS in 2022 and 2023. How many back to back WS have we had? Did these top 4 teams participate in the 2023 WS? More whining than real facts.
Pete'sView
I’m not sure about the Titles so much as the 162-game season which fans of every team want to watch . . .unless the KNOW it’s a fools errand.
Joggin’George
Why is it so difficult to understand that WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE!!!?
No, the top four spending teams haven’t dominated in the recent past.
But TRENDS ARE CHANGING.
That’s what we are saying.
towinagain
Why bother anymore.
towinagain
Go out and get Buehler Padres!
Well....shoot
And Sasaki!!
Doral Silverthorn
@towinagain
Bye
towinagain
@doral you leaving, so soon? Bye my friend
Pickle_Britches
Fans and merch sales makes up for it
Bivouac-Sal
merch sales are shared equally by all 30 teams
VegasSDfan
My only concern with Snell would be will he be healthy.
neurogame
You could say that about the ENTIRE Dodger starting rotation.
Every pitcher on it, or who could be projected to be on it, has had arm trouble in the last year.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Snell is a health risk. But a reasonable one.
It is funny that some posters complain that the Dodgers are spending too much and say that this deal is an overpay or bad judgment. If they really thought that, then they would be happy as there is an opportunity cost to spending money on Snell. The “outrage” is a concession by posters that Snell, while risky, is indeed a valuable commodity with a low floor but a super high ceiling.
roob
Now, the Dodgers are just wasting money. They’re so loaded. Ridiculous overpay for a 5 inning pitcher who has thrown more than 129 innings only twice and he’s 31. This contract will not age well but the Dodgers don’t care.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
They KNEW THIS WAS COMING.
THATS WHY THEY EXPANDED THE PLAYOFFS.
That’s whynthey let 40% of the league into the playoffs
So most fans don’t complain.
Think.about.that a while.
163 game.season = deliberately the long haul.
Then they do this.
40% or 12/30 get into the playoffs.
fox471 Dave
Oh please!
17dizzy
This disgruntled Cardinals fan hopes the Dodgers sign both Nolan Arenado and Paul Goldschmidt to 2025 contracts.
Goldschmidt and Arenado …. along with former Cardinal Tommy Edman … (The Cardinals 3 top players), could actually help lead the way to Back to Back World Series Championships for the Dodgers!!!
vaderzim
Looks like someone didn’t want to wait until March this time.
thefallensoldier
Each of the Boras boys from last offseason sucked big time to start the season so maybe they finally wisened up to the importance of building up through the offseason with the team.
gravel
Matt Chapman did just fine.
roob
He’s not a pitcher.
stymeedone
But he started slow.
Pads Fans
Snell was just given a $6 million raise over the AAV of his last deal. Boras got him a 20% raise over his last deal and did it one year later. $22 million more than this site predicted. He didn’t wisen up. He was just presented by the Dodgers with more money than anyone thought he would get.
DroppedThirdStrike
He literally got exactly what was predicted.
Rexhudler86
@dropped. Even if he got a dollar someone would’ve said it was a overpay.
Pads Fans
Dropped, not even close. This site and pretty much every other site had Snell projected to get 5/150-5/160. He got 5/182. No one thought he would get that much money.
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/2024-25-top-50-mlb-free…
Michol
They learned a lesson. No more demanding $300m contract, lol.
YourDreamGM
They all did fine. They negotiated poorly for long term deals. Had unrealistic expectations. Music stopped they were left without a chair. So they did the next best thing and took 2 or 3 year high aav deals. They either do well and get a huge pay day like Snell Chapman. Or don’t do that well or even stink like Bellinger Monty and use their player option. Good fall back.
Pads Fans
Snell never demanded a $300 million. The guy just got a $6 million raise over the AAV of his last deal and Boras got that for him one year later.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Snell learned that there are only a few teams that can afford brilliance with a low inning count. Smart move to take the money.
C Yards Jeff
@MLB Top 100 C. Agreed.
Also, he’s getting up there in age. To his credit; he just put himself in the best possible place to get a ring before it’s too late.
Frenchredsox
Or he wanted fro have a chance to go to a competitive team and finally go/win the WS ? For all his brilliance in the second half of the season he watched the playoffs (again) at home . This got him the money and he signed with a team who are annually guaranteed a shot at the WS.
sean-11
Jesus Christ
Now Yu Know
Buddha
yeah, sure!
Me
9/11ths
@yeah, sure! I like your spirit! I shall consider it holy.
Sayhay88
Hare Krishna
mahalkita
My saviour. God in the flesh.
Old York
Amaterasu
9/11ths
David Fletcher
hiflew
Flying spaghetti monster.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Dark Lord Beelzebub.
Old York
@Bart Harley Jarvis
Honestly, my only true god is The Fightins guy.
Blue Baron
sean-11: Jesus saves. Moses invests.
9/11ths
Did 9/11ths autocorrect to Sean-11?
lol Sounds like a Chinese knock-off of Ben-10.
FatChance65
Imhotep
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Void
ghostofmookiebetts
Fat Chance wins
unpaidobserver
Imhotep was an architect…
RyÅnWKrol
Sauron
ghostofmookiebetts
SATAN
BaseballBrian
Alahu Akbar.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Babe Ruth
myaccount2
Had him around $150M. Curious to see what he gets.
“More to come…” before people start telling me the contract details ARE IN THE ARTICLE haha
mahalkita
182. the contract details ARE IN THE ARTICLE
Joemo
They update the articles
MattyC 2
182 plus a 52M signing bonus
theroyal19
The $52M signing bonus is included in the total $182M. It’s not extra, just an upfront payment
FenwayFanatic
Is it??
Okay that makes more sense
RunDMC
Anyone reporting how much is deferred? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the signing bonus, which would come in close to what was deferred for Freeman (57M).
theroyal19
Fabian said the expected CBT number is $32-33M meaning the deferral should be in the $60-70M range
YourDreamGM
Boo my2. Let the have their fun.
Johnny Devil
More to come is still win now pay later,friend. Sadly the dodgers keep blowing out arms. Smells barely 100 innings won’t help the cause.
Ann Porkins
As a Giants fan, c’mon Dodgers… at least give us a month before crushing our spirits again
SFan
“Oh I want to stay with the Giants!”
oldgfan
Probably did, but then the LA wallet opened up.
gravel
“Good for the rivalry.”
Freeman’s agent
Dodgers hate Padres more than Giants now. Especially Profar.
DigglinDickers
Yikes 5 years
bhd360
Dodgers about to revolutionize the game with the 13 man rotation
myaccount2
13 starters is probably smart when 12 of them can’t stay healthy.
Freeman’s agent
You’re not wrong. I feel like they are going to rest starters throughout the season. 2 weeks off here and there.
suddendepth
They’ll make 8th-day-between-start bullpens a pay-per-view event.
Big Poison
I’m shocked that he didn’t sign with a small market team. JK. Baseball’s financial structure is broken. Pro sports are all competitive but one. Just baseball.
myaccount2
16 different World Series winners this century. NFL has 15 different Super Bowl winners this century.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Hey just a heads up
Super Bowl has only been around 50 something years
A century is 100 years
16 out of 100 years is a lot smaller percentage than 15 / 57
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Also there’s been 20 different Super Bowl winners
20 different winners out of 58 total super bowls
The NBA ABA merged was back in 1976 and there’s been 18 different winners since the merger
wreckage
He said this century, not in the last century.
DanzigInTheDark
Doesn’t take a lot of thought to realize OP is referring to the current century we started in 2000.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
This century is from 1924 to 2024 which includes dates from pre merger times for both nba and nfl
sorayablue
“this century“
VegasMoved
He’s talking about the 21st century. As in, the last 23 years.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Obviously not since there’s been less winners not 15 since 2000
Out of 25 possible super bowls
Kc won 3
New England won 6
Tampa won 2
Ravens won 2
Rams won 2
Giants won 2
Steelers won 2
7 teams won 19 of 25 meaning 6 teams would need to win the other 6.
Macknoche
Glad some can read! Good job wreckage!
uberalec
You can’t really be this dumb, right?
Joggin’George
Generally century refers to “18th”, “21st” etc… not one hundred years ago.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
1924 to 2024 is 100 years
There haven’t been 15 different Super Bowl winners since 2000
You all just believe everything you read on the internet and don’t check?
wreckage
Eagles, Packers, Colts, Broncos, Seahawks… So it’s just about there already. Maybe the OP missed by 1. But the point is there is parity in all leagues and there are far more than 15 winners in the last hundred years than 15. Cowboys, Redskins, 49ers in the 10 years prior to 2000. Then add teams like the Bears, and Raiders.
myaccount2
If you’re going to criticize me, please double check first. I said “this century” aka the 21st century, as in since 2000. Thanks.
myaccount2
That would not be the proper term. Centuries are counted from year 1 to year 99. You can refer to 1924-2024 as “a century” but not “this century.”
myaccount2
@wreckage- Yep, I counted the Rams twice. Their wins were far enough apart that I didn’t recognize I counted them both times. Thanks!
wreckage
This century is from 2000 til now, the last century is 1924 – now. There has been about 14 NFL teams to win this century, and about 25 to win it since it’s inception.
wreckage
@myaccount, Wasn’t 1 in st Louis anyways so it could technically be 2 different teams?
myaccount2
Yep, that was directed to Butker, but I appreciate you backing me up on this and agree with you haha
myaccount2
Uhh, that’s exactly what I meant… Lol great point, wreckage!
JScottG
Better to stay silent and make people wonder if you’re stupid then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Most of the class understood the this century reference that starts in 2000.
wreckage
It’s been 16 different MLB winners in the past 24 years. 23 if you are one of those that don’t count the dodgers shortened season. And only 5 current MLB franchises have not won a WS title meaning at least 25 teams have won in thr past 100 years, not including defunct teams.
myaccount2
And some are newer like the Expos/Nats and Rays who have gotten very close multiple times.
wreckage
We agree 100% @myaccount2. Anyone claiming there isn’t parity in championships is wrong. To say there isn’t parity in team salaries could be correct, but teams salaries don’t always equal championships. And there have been issues with team salaries for far longer than the past 24 years. Hence why the NHL had to address it in the 90s when teams like Detroit and the NYR bought enough of the top tier talent that the NHL had to hold out for a whole season plus to save teams like Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, and Minnesota from collapsing and created opportunities for cities like Tampa, Carolina, Arizona, Columbus, ect to exist. MLB nearly contracted Minnesota and Montreal before revenue sharing got to this point. And it’s smaller market teams in the NFL be able to continually exist if not succeed.
wreckage
Rams won with 2 different teams so technically 2 different championships. One in St Louis and one in LA. Gets it to 15 in my eyes.
Chicken In Philly?
Learn your prepositions, bro. Killing me.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Actually it started on 1st January 2001.
Baseballisthebest
This century started with 2001
Baseballisthebest
You are right. 14 different teams have won a Super Bowl since 2000.
Baseballisthebest
They were also in different cities. St Louis Rams and Los Angeles Rams.
i like al conin
It’s not just about titles but length of competitive windows. No one can win it all every year. Most big market teams compete nearly every year, small and mid rebuild and retool. The system is broken.
ohyeadam
How many of those WS winning teams are in the bottom half of payroll? Two, Marlins and Royals? It’s basically the top 15 teams and them
VonPurpleHayes
It’s almost as if teams should spend more money.
YourDreamGM
10 years ago how many teams spent over 200 million? 15 years ago? 20? Small markets are about a third of the league they are all spending under 130m. Aren’t spending anymore than they did 5 to 10 years ago. You can’t compete with 200 300 million long term. You need to do everything perfect and get lucky short term. Only 1 small market team has win the world series this century. KC Royals. Marlins aren’t a good market but they where top half of payroll when they won. Famous for “buying” championship and selling off after. A few teams will dominate. Few will get their share. Few others here and there. But for small markets it will be a rare occurrence. Out of all of them they might win once every decade or two. They are due.
myaccount2
@DreamGM- So now we’re moving the goalposts and penalizing winners even of they were just top half spenders? Come on. 2005 White Sox and 2011 Cardinals weren’t top 10 when they won, Phillies in 2007 were either 13th or 14th in payroll depending on your source, 2002 Angels were 15th… my point is it is not completely dominated by large markets like everyone makes it out to be. Yes, it skews towards top half spenders just like the NFL skews towards teams with top 10 QBs.
wreckage
10 years ago a beer at a game was also only $9 (still grossly over priced) and a hot dog was $7. And a family could afford upper bowl tickets at least. At home you could buy groceries for a week for 2 people for under $100. And most pubs had 25c wings. Try finding any of that now.
Ann Porkins
I couldn’t find any of that 15 years ago lol
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
What do you mean the athletics aren’t on par with the Yankees?
VonPurpleHayes
Baseball hasn’t had a dynasty in over a decade. We see a different winner every year.
Hawkeye75
7 straight LCS appearances and 2 championships is a dynasty. They called the 1990s Braves a dynasty and they only won once. Just sayin.
VonPurpleHayes
Fair. Fair. The Stros are a dynasty, but a tainted one.
uberalec
The Braves weren’t a dynasty, and neither are these Dodgers (yet) – they’ve won one full season title. Nor the Astros. The 90s Yankees, Bulls, Cowboys, Cornhuskers, 00s Patriots are dynasties, the current Chiefs probably as well.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s my take as well.
Led Hoyer
Except the dodgers.
hiflew
That’s just because the postseason is more about luck than dominance. Any team can win a series. Regular seasons in baseball determine dynasties, The Braves of the 90s were a dynasty even though they only won one title.
VonPurpleHayes
If that’s the case, then the 2007-2011 Phillies should be a dynasty, but no sane person would agree.
Yankee Clipper
Only 10 different NBA champions this century. And both the NBA/NFL have 32 teams v baseball’s 30. Baseball has the greatest parity among major professional sports.
Brettlez
Not true at all my friend.
Sure, that many have won since 2000 but this problem has gotten significantly worse since 2010. Since 2010, 85% of the world series representatives have been from the top 10 big market/payroll teams while only 15% have been from the other 20 teams. Only 3 winners in 14 years have been outside the top 10 big markets and if you expand it to the top 15 big markets, only ONE of the winners has been from the bottom 15 markets (KC). At least in football every team is on a level financial playing.
Yankee Clipper
Okay, but that just proves the same “financial playing field” does not equal parity.
Look at the NFL or NBA in that same time frame. Multiple championships for the same teams and I don’t see very many of the same small markets winning either. Could it just be that this is an ownership problem?
See the real problem is that people who laud the NfL system ado so because THEIR team is the one winning. It has nothing to do with parity.
Brettlez
Yesh but ANY team can become a dynasty in the NFL, therefore parity. KC in the MLB can never become one because they can’t retain stars or sign new stars. Shocking how you can’t grasp that.
Brettlez
I’m not a KC or NE fan but I can still see that they built a dynasty in a competitively balanced environment. They made a dynasty because their organization is good, not because they have more resources.
Yankee Clipper
But the nature of your argument is failing in its application. You’re good with teams building dynasties but not okay with a higher percentage of teams winning overall? That’s antithetical to your argument of competitive balance.
You’re asking for financial parity, NOT competitive parity. I would suggest you really look at the outcome you are asking for.
Yankee Clipper
YOU say it’s competitively balanced but the evidence does not. You’re failing to see the flaws in your own argument.
Brettlez
Lol, too much of a biased yankee homer to understand I guess. You’re taking one specific stat and claiming that makes it an even playing field when it’s not. It’s clear by stat with more context that it’s almoat always the top 15 market and money teams winning, with the top 10 winning at an even higher rate. The NFL is a level playing field financially and on every other level. Just because teams are able to build dynasties doesn’t mean it’s not a level playing field. By your logic the NFL should sabotage or penalize dynasties which would then not make it a level playing field.
Yankee Clipper
If the NFL is “more even” why do fewer teams win? But your “Yankee homer” comment tells me you realize you cannot justify your point so you resort to personalization.
Educate yourself, stop the circular argument, and produce evidence to support your claim. Or don’t, but silence is better than looking the part of a fool.
Brettlez
I have a very clear and logical argument. You obviously have no idea how to interpret information and make conclusions from very limited, out of context points of information. I’ll say this again and maybe you can put it into chat GPT or whatever you need to understand it. More teams in MLB do win but all of these teams EXCEPT KC are top 15 in market and spending, therefore, the bottom 15 teams have next to no shot at winning a world series. If you go back and look at MLB payrolls the year a team won the WS, all of them EXCEPT KC were top 10 in spending that year. That is not competitive balance, every NFL team has the same resources to win a superbowl, just because there are good front offices and bad front offices DOESNT mean that it isnt competitively balanced. How about you do some actual fact checking and research instead of looking at one stat and forming an opinion? Oh right, that requires an IQ > 100.
Yankee Clipper
So….. your argument is still “ten teams pocket revenue sharing money so because of that let’s cap the teams that spend…”. Yes, very sound logic indeed…..Nope. BTW, does what proof is there that the front office is the difference? Again, a baseless premise I don’t accept because your proof is what you’re trying to prove (circular logic on your part).
You have a prototypical elitist argument: “I believe what I’m saying makes sense so any other argument means you’re an idiot.” Learn more, do better, and you *might* not look foolish.
Go respawn on your video game where everything is just how you design it to be.
Brettlez
Yes, cap spending and revenue share just like the NFL does. It would be nice if all 30 teams were maxing out payroll every year like the NFL. The proof that the front office is the difference is the fact that there is no difference in the amount of money a team can spend and they both start with the same number of draft picks. What else would it be if not for the front office drafting well, hiring good coaching, and fostering a winning culture? Look at the perennial good NFL teams, KC, PIT, SF, GB. Most of these are small market teams that would be at a massive deficit without a salary cap and revenue sharing from bigger markets.
seamaholic 2
In the end though the Yankees and Dodgers depend on there being viable, competitive teams to play against, or there is no sport to charge people to watch.
i like al conin
It’s not a free market, there’s an imbalance in revenue streams impacting competition.
hiflew
It’s not socialism. They are all part of the same league. Each team is not a fully autocratic entity, they are all branches from the same trunk.
Brettlez
Sure, that many have won since 2000 but this problem has gotten significantly worse since 2010. Since 2010, 85% of the world series representatives have been from the top 10 big market/payroll teams while only 15% have been from the other 20 teams. Only 3 winners in 14 years have been outside the top 10 big markets and if you expand it to the top 15 big markets, only ONE of the winners has been from the bottom 15 markets (KC). At least in football every team is on a level financial playing.
Frenchredsox
Actually all US pro sports aren’t competitive- they’re “closed” oligopolies. What happens to the worst team in any US sports , are they relegated to a lesser league or replaced by a different team ?
Nope – they get actually get *rewarded* by getting high guaranteed picks in the next draft !
An US athlete finishing last in his heat/race is eliminated … in English soccer last 3 teams drop out of the Premier League …
In nurse follars
“I want mine” – Blake Snell.
“My wife is my rock” – Jim Thome signing with Phillies.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Underrated comment
RunDMC
Congrats to Blake’s great grandkids. They just got paid.
9/11ths
Bless up! The can afford surgery to not look like the squirrel from Ice Age.
RunDMC
lol
cooperhill
Some woman is drunk enough to have beer goggles that thick?
9/11ths
chin pewbs bauer had a hot wiman motorboat his moobs. Snellio Kontos gets laid.
Ann Porkins
Someone has been willing to be naked with my ugly broke ass, so I don’t think a millionaire athlete has to worry
seamaholic 2
He’s already made $80m in his career.
johncoltrane
Do the dodgers still go after roki sasaki?
NickTheDev
Absolutely.
hiflew
Of course they do. They go after everyone because they are the richest.
Cam
All teams are rich. Not all teams are prepared to spend.
hiflew
Oh shut up. You know that is not true.
Joggin’George
Not all teams can afford the budget of the Dodgers. Don’t be ridiculous.
Ashleyr
If the Dodgers are so rich, WHY do they have to defer money into the next century. They will owe 100 million per season from 2030 – 2050 and all the players will be retired. Deferrals will bankrupt baseball, but the fans don’t care. They want championships here and now and couldn’t care less about the fans of tomorrow.
DanzigInTheDark
MLB teams contribute ~48% of their local revenues to be split amongst the 30 clubs, a number that is estimated to be about $110M. In addition to that, they all receive an equal share of the national TV rights deal, which is an additional $90M.
So before selling a single ticket, hot dog, or parking spot, teams are generating $200M in revenue.
Every team could have easily signed this contract if they wanted to; arguing otherwise is just carrying water for billionaires that would rather pocket that revenue than put a superior product on the field.
Joggin’George
You are exhibiting typical fan ignorance of finance.
The TEAMS money is separate from an OWNERS money. Because an owner is a millionaire does not mean the TEAM is not financially struggling.
Joggin’George
Because deferred money is better for billionaires. They can invest the money today and MAKE money off it.
They put the money owed in an investment account, GENERATE INCOME, and then pay out later. It’s like borrowing interest free.
It’s GOOD for the team to defer money, now and in the long run. If anything, the PLAYER is losing out.
Cam
@hiflew – stick to being the troll and class clown around here. Getting angry and telling people to shut up isn’t as entertaining
BMOa
Dodger owner group invested the deferred money in the stock market. They have the cash to pay Ohtani, deferring allows them to build a team. In 9 years the invested from Othani’s deferment will be worth 1.4 billion.
hiflew
You weren’t supposed to be entertained, you were supposed to shut up. But apparently you can’t do that either.
TheGr8One
Your comment (and most on here) are missing one very important truth. As you poop on the Dodgers don’t forget the deferral was Ohtani’s idea not the team. Team just vigorously nodded at the hand given them
Another missed point is whether his AAV was rated at 70 or 48 or 193 Shohei Ohtani prints money. He changes his number and there will be 12 million new sales of jerseys in Japan alone. In no way does or would his AAV affect Dodger business. Probably the only player that is self financing his own deal.
stymeedone
What does the A’s owner’s family being worth money have anything to do with the teams budget? Just because your mommy lets you live in the basement, rent free, and pays your car insurance, doesn’t mean that’s how it works for everyone.
stymeedone
@Danzig
Before selling a single ticket, please tell me what a MLB teams expenses are. You know, payroll, stadium costs, advertising, insurance, travel, lodging, promotions, utilities…
As most of that $200MM is player payroll, not a lot left.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joggin
But they can afford more than they are spending.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joggin
You have to take into account the appreciation in value of the team. Many owners just pocket that increase in value rather than reinvesting g it in the team.
slider32
All teams are rich enough to support a 240 million dollar budget, but most want a bigger profit! The Rays and the Bucs are in the same market, and so are the Royals and Chiefs!
Johnny Devil
The dodgers spend on their team because their players either break down, can’t speak English or get the heck out of crazy town.
Johnny Devil
Sure
RunDMC
Ohtani is making 2M/season, with most deferred until mid-century. All teams can afford that, but most wouldn’t mortgage the future, and even fewer would be attractive enough for Ohtani to be interested in that type of commitment. Maybe not ‘all teams’ can afford that, but most could.
jaimeb311
This! The payers would be better off taking the money now and investing it, the same way the owners are doing it with the deferred salaries.
DanzigInTheDark
Since MLB teams guard their full books more fiercely than the hounds of hell, it’s pretty difficult to parse out exactly those numbers.
But, to use one example, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported in 2022 that the Pirates covered their entire team payroll for most years between 2007-2021 through strictly ticket sales and concessions. The new CBA kicked in the year after that, so one can easily assume that most of that $200M revenue share coming in would be available for payroll.
DTownWarrior97
OMFG! Yeah, the Dodgers are where they are b/c their fans spend on their team! Give me a break chief! They are where they are b/c of the pockets of guys like Magic Johnson Mark Walter! I see thousands of Old English D’s around Michigan and we can’t afford players like Ohtani and Snell. So tell me another one bro
Stealing Signs
Owners are billionaires, with a B, not millionaires & if the team is being run so poorly that it’s financially struggling than it should be sold to someone that.can run it properly..
hiflew
Yeah and look at how the Chiefs were in the 50 years BEFORE they got Mahomes. And look at how the Bucs were for 95% of their history. Is that really the argument you wanna go with?
Besides, last time I checked baseball and football were two different sports.
Baseballisthebest
Danzig, I starred your comment for the first paragraph. Its correct.
The 2nd isn’t. All teams probably have about the same non-player related expenses judging from the fact that those expenses for the Braves and Blue Jays have been only $1 million apart the last 4 years. Around $130 million each year. Both of those teams are owned by publicly traded companies so we get to see that info.
If there was a large disparity between those two that would point to large differences with other teams. At most it’s a few million.
Some teams like the Rays and Marlins have little revenue beyond what you mentioned. Those two teams may be the two mentioned by Manfred in 2022-2023 offseason when he said no team had annual revenue below $250 million and that only two had not climbed above that figure.
$130 million non-player expenses would leave teams like that a maximum of $120 million in player related expenditures without going into the red. That includes all the things CBT tries to count. While a team at the bottom of the revenue scale could sign a player with a $36 million salary, that would keep them from signing other players. So yes, they could have one Snell but no other top players.
A team like the Dodgers with much larger revenue can afford to sign Snell and 4-5 other players with that size of salary.
Just to put things in perspective, the Braves and had revenue higher than Forbes said the Dodgers did and yet neither of those teams was mentioned in the top 5 while the Dodgers were acknowledged as the number two team in total revenue.
That being said, no team should have a CBT payroll less than $100 million. Especially a team like the A’s that had local media contracts 4 times as high as the Rays. If they do they are just pocketing millions at the expense of the fans.
Baseballisthebest
GR, Jersey and all other licensed merchandise sales revenue, the 15% royalty MLB receives on the $4 billion worldwide gross sales, is split equally between the MLBPA and MLB. Then MLB splits that money equally among all 30 teams. Ohtani selling more jerseys helps all teams equally.
I hope he sells 200 million jerseys a year so that the team I cheer for at the other side of the continent gets more money.
As others have said, Ohtani is not self-financing his deal for his team with increases in revenue. He could afford tobdo that large of a percentage of deferrals because he personally makes so much annually in endorsements. Ohtani earns around $30 million per year in endorsement income while no other MLB player is over $4 million.
Ohtani undoubtedly increased the Dodgers revenue streams, but not by close to the $48 million annually they are paying him.
thecrown24
The dodgers are the richest? No sir they are by far the richest. Steve Cohen is the richest owner in Baseball and it’s not even close
hiflew
I am not talking about which owner is the richest. I am talking about which TEAM is the richest. Owners do not generally spend their own money on payroll. Team revenue for teams like the Dodgers and Yankees is much higher than the rest. Until MLB implements some kind of REAL revenue sharing, it will always be that way.
seamaholic 2
I’m normally a pretty chill dude, but honestly, are you all really that dumb that you think an owner’s other wealth determines how big his team’s payroll is?
Also, you’re wrong on your own terms. The Dodgers are owned by a huge hedge fund. It could buy and own Steve Cohen many times over.
stymeedone
@ the crown
Cohen is not the Mets. The Mets generate revenue among the top teams in the sport. The Dodgers team generates more. Also, the Dodgers have multiple owners. Wouldn’t surprise me, if added together, they were worth as much as Cohen. It still has nothing to do with team revenue.
VegasMoved
Pursuing Roki has nothing to do with being rich.
johncoltrane
Ohtani, yamamoto, glasnow, Kershaw. may & gonsolin returning from injury. AND roki? Each pitcher will throw on 12 days rest
hiflew
Nope, they will go with 2 starters. Both go 4-5 innings and alternate which one goes first. That’ll cover 10 pitchers. You’ll have a regular closer and 2 mop up guys on the rare instance that one of their starters pitches poorly.
I say that in jest, but there will be people that insist it is a great idea and will revolutionize the game.
brocnessmonster
3-4 of those guys will be hurt at any given time. That’ll leave them with a bonkers 6-man rotation all season.
SoCalBrave
The Dodgers need to sign 11 SP to field a 6 man rotation
YourDreamGM
Dodgers should have 2 teams. AL NL. MLB wants expansion. Be like Raw Smackdown have a draft every year. It’s not fair they already have Freddy so can’t go after Pete and Walker.
Cambo
Should just let the Dodgers sign guys in November and December, then the rest of the teams can participate with what is left.
stymeedone
They missed on Stassi. So there!
twozero6ix
SMH wack
BronxBombers23
Dodgers are doing Yankees things and the Yankees s***
Black Ace57
This isn’t what the Yankees ever did. George would pay the luxury tax bill the Dodgers are circumventing it.
Ryan W
The La Dollars
MatthewStairs
Over/under .5 cy young’s for Snell on the Dodgers
cooperhill
Over/under on being named the ugliest player in MLB? 100-1!
SoCalBrave
I’ll take the under.
TheGr8One
I’ll take the contract and forget you for thinking what I look like I ain’t gonna ever see you lol
Ryan W
Under
lowtalker1
Went from likeable to hateable
TellItGoodbye
IL by May
DepressedDodgerFan
Funny
Smith 3
Well that sucks.
JV
This won’t age well
Kubanis427
Dodgers will still rattle off at least 3-4 more WS in Ohtani’s tenure.
maxmilna
Not for your mental health.
TheGr8One
You’ve made a sensible point in a tornado of madness. This will age like milk BUT that’s the market these days you pay for 5 hoping to get 3 and hoping the 3 pays for the 5. This isn’t new. Robinson cano 10 years to the mariners. Sent Edwin Diaz away to not pay the back half. Knew it was gonna age like milk and it did.
Yankee Clipper
Brian Cashman is “monitoring the market…”
gravel
He had Snell going to another team in the office free agent pool.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cashman is grateful Snell did not go to Red Sox
Salzilla
Keep monitoring, this one wasn’t it. Not for 5 years.
And yeah I run hot/cold on Snell, but honestly I’d rather not have him here.
Yankee Clipper
I agree with you Salzilla. I don’t think it’s going to age well and Snell was the lowest-ranked pitcher, of the big ones available, for the Yankees, imho.
I would LOVE to see them trade for Luzardo. I’m not suggesting he’s better than Snell overall, but I like him better for the Yankees rotation.
Salzilla
I like Luzardo, wouldn’t be opposed to that. They’re definitely doing something on that front and the free agent pitchers are starting to move. I wonder if they can close up Soto in time to land one. If not trading will be the way.
Swingandamiss
Remind me again how the MLB model is better for baseball than the NFL model?
myaccount2
Well there have been more individual World Series winners this century than Super Bowl winners. The proof is in the data.
Joggin’George
Yea but things are changing quickly. Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Boston etc are going to dominate. Watch.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
So we are in terminator territory now, speculating and blaming people for things they haven’t done and may not ever do. Minority Report also.
Led Hoyer
It’s getting stupid. The disparity from the top spending teams and the rest of the league is absurd. You add in dodgers deferred payroll and you have a massive advantage. They are rolling out an all-star team now.
Yankee Clipper
So, the question is: do you want competitive parity or the appearance of financial parity? Is seems you’re saying the latter, while citing the former.
myaccount2
Why should we suspect this? The Diamondbacks made the World Series as the 20th ranked payroll just last season. MLB playoffs are a greater crapshoot than any other sport. I suspect we have more wild card winners from MLB than NFL over the next 20 years.
YourDreamGM
How many playoffs do you have Arizona in the next 5 years? How many division titles. I got 5 and 5 for LA. Now if Arizona does get a wild card and does advance to the 1st round anything can happen in a 5 or even 7 game series. To win a world series you have to make the playoffs. It’s difficult to miss the playoffs with a 300m payroll unless you have a idiot for a gm severely wasting that $ on awful contracts. It’s just been a fluke so far. Combined with NFL having maybe the 2 best qbs ever dominate this century. In NFL 1 player the qb makes a huge difference.
myaccount2
I get your point, but division titles aren’t very high on my parity list. Playoff appearances and rings tell the story for me, and I’m still not sold on the Dodgers’ rotation staying healthy to keep winning those rings.
MLB playoffs is the biggest crapshoot in North American sports; I feel like the Dodgers only having 2 titles since their division title run began exemplifies that. It shows that any team who gets to the playoffs has a chance. I think Arizona can certainly get back to the playoffs next season, which means they can win it all. On the other hand, I’m not sure the Yankees will even make the playoffs next year and they might have the second highest payroll.
I’m not trying to say the parity is super strong in baseball, it’s just not as bad as others are suggesting, IMO.
Pads Fans
Since Guggenheim bought the Dodgers in 2013 through the 2024 season they have spent over $500 more than the 2nd highest spending team.
They still have only won one full-season WS.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
$500 more? then why the complaining?
unpaidobserver
In the case of one QB it was the cheating that made the difference…
YourDreamGM
Few teams would spend 200 million. Now that number has increased. The teams that spent 80 100 120 million 10 years ago are still spending that. The mega and large city teams shield more and more $ from revenue sharing. People are cutting cords. Local tv revenue is down. Teams are losing their carriers.
Mega cities always had an advantage. Just in last 5 years or so it has drastically increased.
Moneyball 2001 or whatever it’s Yankees 119m Oakland 39 million or whatever. But how many other teams were over 100m?
Now Oakland has doubled it to 80m or something but dozens of teams are around or over 200 some 230 some 250 some nearing 300.
Pads Fans
$500 MILLION more. And I am not complaining.
YourDreamGM
“$500 more? then why the complaining?”
Elitist
Pads Fans
Since I screwed up and didn’t type one word, here is the edit.
Since Guggenheim bought the Dodgers in 2013 through the 2024 season they have spent over $500 MILLION more than the 2nd highest spending team.
stymeedone
Boston? Hahahahahahahahahaha!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Joggin
You are short selling Padres and Phillies
Pizzaboy
Except same make the playoffs almost every year. Then its a crapshoot
Yankee Clipper
Well, first, the NFL teams get in with a .500 record. Second, what you said just isn’t true. Arizona D-Backs just made the WS, the Rays recently made the WS, and several other teams have made the postseason.
You’re confusing certain teams intentionally tanking (A’s, Pittsburgh, Colorado) with being unable to compete. There’s a big difference.
Joggin’George
No one is intentionally tanking
Yankee Clipper
Seriously? The A’s were NOT tanking? Dude….
Joggin’George
No. There is a difference between giving up and tanking. Perhaps I’m splitting hairs but a poor, yet still overly cheap team losing due to lack of funds and disinterest is not the same as intentionally looking to lose for a draft pick.
Yankee Clipper
Fair enough, I respect your opinion.
good vibes only
The last CBA pretty much killed tanking as a strategy to rebuild quickly.
unpaidobserver
White Sox?
Pads Fans
White Sox set a record for futility and can’t even draft in the top 10 for their efforts due to anti-tanking rules.
YourDreamGM
Not really. Revenue sharing teams need to tank. If they are lucky and get lottery they can 2 years in row. If they miss out lottery it can be 4 years. Even if they don’t get lucky they get to pick 10th so not all that bad then another 2 to 4 years of possible lottery.
Not really about the lottery though. It’s dumping old expensive trash for prospects.
seamaholic 2
The era of dominant spending is just starting. 20 years ago it wasn’t anything like it is now.
Joggin’George
Seamaholic: yes EXACTLY
VegasMoved
Oh ok, so you don’t have any objective facts to back up your assertion. It’s just “trust me bro”
Ragnarok
Until the dead money hits the books. The piper always gets paid. Keep spending in LA!
DepressedDodgerFan
BRO WHAT THE ABSOLUTE WHATTTTT
mikeyny
Thank God! I was afraid my Yankees were gonna sign him. Phew!
Kubanis427
Well thank god you still have Cole, Snell will surely get his ass to the base in a do or die game and not point fingers.
YourDreamGM
$ spent on Rodon could have got Snell.
old elpaso
I actually thought he’d get even more. WTF, the dodgers are ……. something
Not a NL fan, but this is beyond extraordinary for LA fans. Wow
Old York
No! My FA signing streak is over at 2. I had Snell going to the Giants.
2 for 3 so far.
Yankee Clipper
You’re not the only one. This throws everything up in the air because the LAD are signing Boras clients again.
Shrutefarm
Bingo! I am genuinely shocked they signed him, not because of his talent, but because of his agent. Other than J.D. Martinez on a one year deal (who took a pay cut to sign), I am fairly certain this is the first Boras F.A. to sign with this management group.
yeah, sure!
Ok
Kubanis427
Does this mean we are out on Soto? Can’t complain, Snell will now get his WS rig…
metsin4
You were never really in on Soto.
Big whiffa
One of 5 teams to make an offer so far
ClevelandSteelEngines
Boras’ clients compete with themselves for team
Big whiffa
lol. Bc there’s only one willing to pay the price
cr4
Oh no you might not get another generational superstar I’ll pray for you guys must be hard to go through lol
Led Hoyer
They might get him too.
cbraves
Does this mean Fried won’t be going to the Dodgers? Hopefully he will come back to ATL!
cooperhill
Nope, he’s going to Baltimore.
YourDreamGM
Fried could still find a spot with the Dodgers as their longman reliever.
Braves_saints_celts
My god that would be great we need him back. If not maybe, hopefully, the braves start digging around the asian leagues and maybe go after sasaki or Kim! That wouldn’t be on anyone’s bingo card but it sure would be awesome!
rmullig2
182 over 5 years. No information on how much is deferred. Will be interesting to see how much it is actually worth, I’m guessing around 30M a year.
wbz41
Need a new CBA asap.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
Never gonna happen LOL
Big whiffa
Or need the penalty to keep going up in year 4 and 5 with a 5 year max then required to go back under
Joggin’George
I always say, spending doesn’t equal winning. But more and more we are getting to where a small handful of teams can outspend the rest of the league by way too wide of a margin.
When you can outspend by THAT much, you’re going to have a radical advantage.
I fear for the future of this sport.
YourDreamGM
You shouldn’t have said that. Your right if you have spent like the Angels one awful contract after another. Or sign a Baez Bryant. But if I had 2 teams and one I could spend 300m and the other 100 150 the 300 one is going to win more games in the long run.
Joggin’George
Well, the Rays seem to do a lot better than teams with higher payrolls.
Point is, if you can afford to spend 250 million, you can afford to make mistakes.
If you top out at 100 million, you can’t.
If you can afford to spend 400 million +…. Then you’ll likely dominate.
YourDreamGM
Not everyone can be the Rays. But yeah if you are top 5 best at scouting and development you can do better than a team that hasn’t learned giving washed up 30 year old something’s hundreds of millions isn’t a good idea. These teams are getting some intelligence so will be harder and harder moving forward.
Big whiffa
Future ? You mean the present right ??
stymeedone
@ Jogging
The backend of these deals will be brutal for this team. Enjoy the now.
Yankeesforever
five-year, $182M deal, per report
cooperhill
For a guy who has only pitched more than 130 innings twice?
Joggin’George
Salaries are out of control. The Dodgers can afford to overpay. Most teams can’t.
VegasMoved
Dodgers are gonna make him their “bulk guy” for bullpen games.
YourDreamGM
There’s only been 4 years that he could have pitched more than 130 and didn’t but 3 of those years he pitched 128 or more.
So 1 year he failed to pitch 128 innings. Doesn’t sound nearly as bad when 200 is considered a feat and 170 180 really great. What’s 40 or 50 innings? Especially for a team that is only concerned about innings in just 1 month. October.
But enjoy your “innings eater” if your small mid market team gets lucky enough to get a wild card, win the 3 game play in round. Snell Glasnow Dodgers will blow past your team of “innings eaters”.
Better get the Dodgers now before they get Skubal Skeenes.
smuzqwpdmx
It’s not the lack of innings so much as the sheer number of past injuries (8 different IL stints), which are the best predictor of future injuries. When you enter your mid-30s with that long of a medical history, the odds of pitching 5 more years are not very good.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
With inflation, he can buy gas, bread and milk
SupremeZeus
Dodgers pitching lab gonna have snellzilla’s arm blown out in no time. Roki, you’re next.
Casor_Greener
Gonna go as poorly as Chris Taylor and Tyler Glasnow
Niekro floater
“It’s good to be the king.” Soto was a rouse all along. Now go re-sign Teo n get Roki. Go Dodgers !
mushelbyman
s.c.r.e.w. the Dodgers…mlb letting mega teams exist now. so stupid…the Dodgers just deferring $ til next century…wtf is happening?
seamaholic 2
The deferral thing is all about tax avoidance. When Snell’s deferred income kicks in he will likely be retired and living in a low tax state.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Seam
There is a $52 million signing bonus, that somewhat offsets the $60 million in deferred money.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The player has to agree to the deferral and most don’t want to do it. A club can’t force it on the player. So if Snell said yes to deferrals to the Dodgers, he should have been open to it for any team.
DanUgglasRing
Brutal. Loved seeing him in a Giants uni this one hurts.
cooperhill
FOR GOD’S SAKE, MLB NEEDS A SALARY CAP!
VonPurpleHayes
A floor. If anything this should encourage other owners to spend.
Joggin’George
There are few teams who are really being “cheap” and forcing them to spend and extra 40 million would accomplish little.
Led Hoyer
A floor will do nothing if the top teams have unlimited payroll and deferred 700 million dollar contracts. It’s getting stupid. Dodgers are getting dang close to an all star team. Once they add Soto they will have the 4 best players in the mlb.
VonPurpleHayes
There are significant penalties in place for spending too much. There are 0 penalties for spending too little. In my opinion, a floor is more important than a cap.
Joggin’George
I almost feel like, rather than a floor, go all the way and work something into the league agreement where a team like the Pirates can be judged to be irresponsible in their indifference towards being competitive and have roster and payroll taken over by MLb.
I realize this would probably be difficult to accomplish.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I would think a team of All-Stars would get boring for the guys on the team if they are kicking everyone’s a$$ in every game. What’s the point of that? That’s one reason I don’t think Soto will sign with the Dodgers.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
for god’s sake, get it though your heads, ain’t ever ever gonna happen.
Yankee Clipper
The reality is a Cap does nothing other than provide for the appearance of financial parity. NBA and NFL have caps and it doesn’t make a difference for parity.
YourDreamGM
Cap ( not happening soon ) would be huge for mlb parity. Doesn’t work in football basketball because 1 player makes a difference. NBA players can ban together and form a super team. NFL it’s all qb. You get one and keep them a long time.
You can see it in your own division. Rays are considered the smartest team in mlb. Don’t trade with the rays! Yet Yankees give out awful contract after awful contract but continue to win more games. You take the Yankees and make them smarter and you get the Dodgers. Sure you have teams like the Angels who get the least out of big payroll as you can. But 2 equal teams sperated by 150 200 million in payroll the bigger payroll is going to win more often.
Moneyballer
I think I’m going to be sick!
Hawkeye75
just over $36 million for this dude?? Massive overpay.
Big whiffa
That’s how u sign a boras client in November thou
MoneyBallJustWorks
so barring injury they will have a 2026 rotation of
Ohtani
Snell
Glasgow
Yamamoto
Sasaki (possibly)
likely a 6th
yeah baseball is broken
cbraves
All have big injury history so they won’t get a full season out of any of them.
Yankee Clipper
That’s the best thing about baseball: a team can be monstrous on paper, but how often does baseball prove the paper wrong….
Led Hoyer
The Dodgers went wire to wire last year and never got challenged. Expect more of the same next year. Making the playoffs is a foregone conclusion. They are the Yankees with an intelligent front office. It should scare everyone. If they get Soto, not out of the realm of possibilities, they would have 4 of the best 7 or 8 players in baseball. Including maybe the best player of all time.
Yankee Clipper
Led: I don’t accept that premise though. People said the same if the 2009 Yankees, but they only won 1 WS; then other circumstances prevented a repeat.
Heck, last season the Yankees didn’t even make the playoffs. People said the same of the Mets when Cohen spent, but they were eliminated in the first round.
Baseball is never that clean in application. It’s what makes the game so great.
Led Hoyer
The Dodgers have won 2 in the last 5 years and will be massive favorites for 2025, 2026 and probably 2027 and beyond. Their payroll is going to be gigantic and the off-season has just started.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Never got challenged? Did you see series against Padres? Or Freeman saving Dodgers?
DanzigInTheDark
your “barring injury” is bearing a ton of weight there, though.
IP in 2024:
0 (Ohtani)
104 (Snell)
134 (Glasnow)
90 (Yamamoto)
111 (Sasaki)
Bivouac-Sal
2024
(1) World Championship
Tim Regan
Since they already have Glasgow, maybe that 6th starter will be Edinburgh!
YourDreamGM
Kershaw future 6? He playing still?
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Hope he makes it to October….
Low IQ Angels Management
The embarrassment for the Angels continues from across town. Dodgers get an ace and the Angels get #5 starter. Wonder why the Angels don’t go to the playoffs and the Dodgers do every year… Hmmm this is hard to understand.
Joggin’George
Meh. The Angels are too far from contention to think big signings will do much. Their problem is terrible scouting, bad contracts, poor development…
YourDreamGM
You got Rendon Trout. Close your eyes and pretend like it’s 2018
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trout has the highest WAR of any active player. Post-Nationals Rendon is just sad.
Low IQ Angels Management
Who’s Rendon Trout? Is that Mike’s brother?
TAKERDBACKS
MLB needs to be in trouble and fans should protest. It’s sickening. No one cared but dodger fans when they won this year cause it’s supposed to happen. It’s a joke.
cr4
Salary cap and floor is the only solution at this point
Joggin’George
It’s becoming a joke. Like four or five teams have a chance.
YourDreamGM
Every team has a chance. You can trade all your players, hit on your prospects, draft high for 2 years, have to draft 10th because of anti tanking rule, draft high again 2 years. If you develop and have some luck you can have a window of contention.
Just NY LA can contend every year because they can spend 300 million while 10 teams can only spend 130 and 10 others can only spend 200.
Philly Boston Toronto Atlanta will do well, they can spend 250.
Bivouac-Sal
hahahahahahah
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
if anything, the dodgers are getting a karmic return on being cheated out 1 for sure and 1 maybe World Series. All that outrage everyone is slinging at the Dodgers is what should have been slung at the Cheaters in Houston.
User 355748524
“cheated out 1 for sure” I’m sorry, do you have some means of viewing alternate realities and seeing different outcomes?
If the Astros don’t cheat at all that changes every single at-bat starting from when they actually did start cheating. That means a entirely different season for the Astros in 2017.
Whether that means they still win the 2017 WS, lose it, or make it at all is unknown to us. Just like wether the Dodgers winning or losing that scenario is unknown.
“karmic return”, lol.
VonPurpleHayes
This stuff actually increases ratings an attendance. It doesn’t harm the game. Non-Dodger fans root against them. It still gives people a reason to watch. It’s a win win.
Joggin’George
It will harm the game when the fans of lower market teams stop watching because their team has no chance.
TAKERDBACKS
Exactly! That’s what people don’t get.Fans won’t care anymore. It will be about 6 teams and that’s it. It’s stupid.
VonPurpleHayes
But they don’t. They just complain on the internet.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s not how it works though. The Dodgers have out-of-market viewers either loving or hating them.
Devlsh
Not only that, but it’s a sport. Everyone should be playing under the same competitive conditions. That isn’t happening now.
Look, I understand if you live in NY or LA, you may think this is great as a fan of your team….but it’s not great for the sport or the 20 or so teams that can’t operate this way.
We don’t allow one team to play with 11 men on the field.
We don’t allow one team to use aluminum bats.
We don’t allow one team to have a 30 man roster.
We don’t allow one team to use a different ball.
Why should one team be allowed to spend 3-5 times what another spends?
YourDreamGM
Fans care. Seems they will keep caring. There’s teams with slim chance of winning this year, some 3 years from now, some heck 5 years out. Still have too many fans.
Joe It All
This deserves more upvotes!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
VonPurple
Bingo.
Kewldude69
As a Dodgers fan, I don’t get it. Their pitching is stacked, and Sasaki seemed like the best move. I wanted Willy Adames. This is just weird.
seamaholic 2
Nothing says they won’t sign them all.
vertigo
You are a Dodger fan? and you didn’t see the insane issues with the rotation last year? They need another starter if they don’t get Sasaki. They absolutely needed another front line starter, Snell is a great pick up to solidify the rotation.
Kewldude69
You ever hear of Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May, Bobby Miller, etc? But sure. Overpay a guy that is old and hasn’t proven a thing
emptybattingavg
Gonsolin lots of injuries + poor performance, Dustin May lives on the IL, Bobby Miller injury prone + emotional wreck when he gets into any trouble. Dodgers didn’t need Snell, but their pitching staff is so high risk it doesn’t hurt to more.
Yankee Clipper
I think they see the writing in the wall with injuries to the rotation and also realize Sasaki isn’t coming until 2026, at the earliest.
They want to win and understand they have a limited window (although a much bigger window than many other teams). I wish the Yankees ownership was this committed to winning.
Led Hoyer
They will get adames, don’t fear
YankeesBleacherCreature
I had them at signing a SP or two instead spending on Soto. The Dodgers aren’t done.
YourDreamGM
LA plays to win championships. They have electric playoff arms but never know when they will hurt. They need as many as they can get. They aren’t expecting 200 innings out of these guys.
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Kewl
Dodgers have a rotation riddled with injuries and a powerful offense. This was the correct play. Dodgers should also sign one more cheap innings-eater starter with a sub 4.50 ERA who can pitch bulk relief until needed.
Moneyballer
Dodgers are just going to win every championship for a decade then all the money kicks in and they’ll tear it all down for awhile.
mkeving
The deferred money is paid ahead of time into an escrow account so theoretically it shouldn’t really impact future spending. Gives the player future income and the team greater flexibility.
Joggin’George
And the deferred money is invested and brings back return. They won’t feel the slightest sting.
uberalec
Future income is almost always worse than current income. Selfless or not, MLB should not allow a deferred salary loophole.
Joggin’George
The player getting future income gets more money and future security without the burden of having to make their own investments. It’s VERY fair and absolutely should be allowed.
If the player doesn’t want deferred money, they don’t have to sign.
El Niño
It should still count against the luxury tax is the loophole that’s screwing everything up.
mkeving
It does count against the tax. It’s discounted to net present value but is still counting toward the tax.
El Niño
We know. What I’m saying is if you pay a player $700 million to play baseball for 10 years it should count as 70 million toward the tax not the present value. That’s a loophole.
YourDreamGM
Win every NL west. Just about. For awhile. Playoffs are crap shoot. They could run into the 84 win pirates with keller skenes jones Chandler and that’s it. Dodgers will get their share but won’t win every one. Philly NY NY Houston Atlanta Boston etc can spend some $ too.
mushelbyman
Dodgers sign Roki Sasaki and Willy Adames next. screw baseball. lost interest over past 5 years with these “mega” deals
VonPurpleHayes
I just have a hard time imagining Snell pitching for an NL West team…
DanzigInTheDark
Deal ends after his age-36 season – non-zero chance he could sign a pair of one year deals with the Dbacks and Rockies to complete the set!
99socalfrc
Screw you Blake Snell.
Signed,
Padres Fan
El Niño
Nah, he deserves his bag. Its really screw the dodgers and the league at this point.
99socalfrc
No really. I hope they throw dollar bills at this guy in Petco.
10centBeerNight
But Cohen is the boogeyman, bruh
VonPurpleHayes
The Dodgers motivate Cohen. He’s a scorned lover. He tried to buy the Dodgers before the Mets. Now the Mets are his consolation prize. He’s going to spend a ton to make them just as pretty as his beloved Dodgers. He wants them jealous.
Joggin’George
He’s gonna do it too. Watch, it’s gonna be Dodgers, Mets, Yanks dominating.
Cards, Sawx, Cubs trailing…
Then a changing cast of whatever, but with small chance at the WS.
This is where we are headed.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
if you see the future so well, why aren’t you buying lotto tickets and buying a life? Baseball viewership is at an all time high worldwide. The world series alone had it’s biggest numbers ever in japan this year. so it looks like the cardinals may not be the NL team with most ws for too much longer 🙂
Joggin’George
I’m making an thought out point. You’re talking lotto tickets and throwing around emojis.
Talk like an adult or I’m not responding further.
Rays in the Bay
@Joggin
Ah yes, the scourge of Dodgers fans that have invaded social media. Half are spoiled rich kids and the others are suits. Hard to take them seriously. I wouldn’t respond either
DarrenDreifortsContract
Out of the top MLB free agent pitchers. That’s exactly who I wanted. I also wouldn’t mind taking a risk on Bieber. Assuming we miss out on Sasaki.
162-0 in 2025! Viva La Dodgers!!!!!
gv84
These deferred contracts are like Moneyball analytics except Dodgers found a loophole on the other end to bet on inflation that these contracts will be a steal. This is totally a Soto bait to improve the team and get him on board with the free cash they have on hand. I’m guessing the market is becoming clear and the asking price is Ohtani money.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
Dodgers, Mets, Nationals, etc. Convenient how everyone forgets this is hardly the first team to do this and every team could do this and likely will start following suit.
99socalfrc
Oh really? Why don’t you tell us the last team to sign a $700m contract and defer $680m of it.
Or when was the last time a team paid someone a $52m signing bonus?
We will wait.
uberalec
Yeah, he tried, but it’s not even remotely comparable.
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99
You are complaining because they defer and because they pay upfront signing bonus? Those arguably offset each other up to amount of signing bonus. Try to hard to complain twice. Ohtani deal is unique, Snell deal is ordinary.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Yes, the defending world champions that just embarrassed Soto in the world series needed to sign Snell to impress him lmao.
rmullig2
If I was Roki I would reconsider any plan I may have had to join the Dodgers. They have Ohtani, Yamamoto, Snell, and Glasnow set for the rotation. He would have to beat out Gonsolin, Miller, Grove, and May just to crack the rotation. Otherwise he’s in the bullpen waiting for an injury.
Old York
@rmullig2
If the Dodgers sign him, he’s in the rotation. Those other guys will be in the pen or traded.
Diggydugler
No chance he doesnt go to the Dodgers, its Japan’s team! goooo baseball!
DarrenDreifortsContract
Dustin May can’t sit up in bed without getting hurt. He’s not beating out anyone for a rotation spot lol.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think Dustin May is trade bait now
Blackpink in the area
Dodgers will most likely go with a 6 man rotation next year.
YourDreamGM
He doesn’t care if the rotation has 6 hall of famers. He will go wherever the $ is.
mets1977
Again deferred money…at some point the Dodgers are actually going to have to pay these players.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
that’s conveniently the problem of Future Dodgers Executives!
Joggin’George
In the meantime they are investing the money they aren’t spending. They will be fine.
Yankee Clipper
Your point is what all the people who are in a panic are missing. Money is finite and the bills will come due one way or another. LAD is trying to maximize winning in their window, but it’s still a window that will close.
Joggin’George
But it won’t close. All of that future money is already accounted for. Do you really think a business that big just lives year to year? The money they are not paying yet is being invested and MAKING money for them.
This is the type of smart financial games that are easy for the perversely rich to pay.
When the deferred money comes due they are simply going to reach into whatever account is designed to pay it and pay. It won’t set them back a bit.
Yankee Clipper
Yes, I don’t disagree with you. My point is that regardless of how much they defer, eventually it has to be paid. No team will be able to sustain this level of spending over the long-term. It’s not feasible and will be self-correcting, imho.
Joggin’George
Yankee Clipper: yes, I see what you are saying. We are headed towards the billion dollar player. This is not sustainable. And deferments are a dangerous thing when your business model is potentially fragile.
YourDreamGM
They will have $ counting against the tax but the tax will have gone up by then as well. They kicked the can down the road. By then though they might develop some studs that they have for minimum wage for 6 years.
seamaholic 2
No they pay every year into escrow. The players would never accept a deal if they didn’t. It’s just a loophole that allows the Dodgers to save lux tax and the player to avoid CA state income tax.
Joggin’George
Ultimately, deferred salary probably benefits the team in the long run
jkoko
Dodgers are the new Yankees of past
Mynameisnoname
There will be scraps only by the end of the winter meetings this year.
I don’t think there will be much of an appetite to be this year’s Jordan Montgomery.
mkeving
Dang would have much rather had Fried than Snell.
l9ydodger
@mkeving; IDK, I think Fried’s elbow is about to blow.
Bivouac-Sal
@mkeving
Fried is good. Snell is better.
YourDreamGM
It’s the dodgers. They can have both. Why choose
towinagain
MLB is a joke.
Every-Sha-La-La-La
Let the count of free agents not signed by the Red Sox begin! This will be the first of who knows how many that they will say they were “aggressively in on” who end up signing somewhere else. It’s going to be another long winter up in Boston.
YourDreamGM
I’m not counting rich hill. He will either be a red sox or out of mlb.
cr4
Dodgers are single handedly forcing every fanbase to become in favor of a salary cap this is great
YourDreamGM
If only fans mattered
BronxBombers23
Hal and Cash are sitting and watching. I mean Hal allows Cash to spend, but the result is pretty bad…
Blue Baron
BrinxBombers23: I know right? Winning the AL pennant is pretty bad.
BronxBombers23
If we look at what they accomplished since 09, after spending the most money in almost every year, yes, the result is bad.
SewaldSwansonSwoon
Dumb. That wasn’t even fun.
highflyballintorightfield
Snell provides a little extra benefit to the Dodgers in that they don’t have to face him. They had trouble vs him.
Yankeesforever
if any of us normal working people didn’t show up for work half the time, we would get fired, Blake gets a 182 million.
Joggin’George
If you were injured at work you wouldn’t get fired.
Sorry, no comparison.
Yankeesforever
you’re kidding right?.
Keep calling in sick twice a week or keep hurting yourself on a job site and see how long you last, never mind the boss rewarding you with a raise.
Blue Baron
Because the vast majority of us don’t have a rare skill that people pay lots of money to watch.
mkeving
I don’t think anyone’s actually ever made a good point when comparing pro athlete conditions to the regular working man.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
This is nuts because it’s the Dodgers and they’re skewing the market badly and over paying for everything and everybody- they’re officially what the Yankees were 20 years ago.
That said- I think this will be a cromulent contract. Not a disaster, not a complete success. Good for Snell, I guess.
Diggydugler
If only Yankees players agreed to deferrals they could have been a dynasty!
Joggin’George
Baseball is headed for trouble.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
I’m in for the word “cromulent”.
Low IQ Angels Management
Circumlocution.
highflyballintorightfield
Did anyone have this one? Of the top FA pitchers he seemed the least likely to go to the Dodgers, IMO anyway.
differentbears
It’s fun being a Dodger fan these days.
seamaholic 2
Is it? I was a fan of a superteam once and found it very boring after a while. Those mid season games vs teams that made less in total than the left side of your infield were pretty cringy. I lost interest and then started rooting for one of those teams, and still do.
differentbears
No, it sucks dominating the World Series against our historic AL rival, winning a second title in five years, then adding a Cy Young winner to the rotation in the offseason.
YourDreamGM
People go to Globetrotters games.
100k will watch Ohio State vs eastern western Ohio tech
YankeesBleacherCreature
Nov ’23 – “Snell isn’t worth the money”
June ’24 – “Every team dodged a bullet except the Giants”
Sept ’24 – “Snell would be wise to pick up his option year”
Oct ’24 – “LOL Snell for optioning out”
Nov ’24 – “F the Dodgers! Overpaid! It’s not fair.”
Mynameisnoname
I get your point and it’s a good one. We as fans are fickle! Nov 23′ and June 24′ are on point, but who the heck was saying Snell couldn’t top 1 year/~30 mil on the open market?
He was the best pitcher in the NL in Sept 24′ and most people were guessing 150mil+ in Oct 24′.
metsin4
Not all fans. The Dodgers are going to age fast. Their window isn’t nearly what people think it is. Snell has had two career years. Hardly worth the money.
YourDreamGM
Only a matter of time until they hit on some prospects. If they do that will make up for the aging mega contracts. And when those contracts expire they will just sign more players. And if need be they will trade their good great but not elite prospects for studs.
metsin4
Love how one World Series and Dodger fans act like they are the greatest dynasty ever.
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Metsin4
You are biased. The majority of the posters (NOT just Dodgers fans) seem worried that the Dodgers have become the greatest dynasty ever. My take is different. Let’s see if they can even win two in a row. Let’s see how much more they spend. Snell costs just a little more per year than Teoscar Hernandez, Walker Buehler and Blake Treinan.
metsin4
Every person on here is biased. That doesn’t change the facts. The Dodgers have an aging lineup with injury prone pitchers. Freeman will hit the same wall as Goldschmidt did this year. Betts is about to see his decline start and Ohtani is one arm blowout from his unprecedented third Tommy John surgery. Will Smith already started his decline. Everyone that complains that big market teams have an advantage always seem to forget that most of these long term deals with aging players don’t work out very well in the end.
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Metsin4
I actually agree with most of that. I do think that the Dodgers have a window of maybe two to three years before a lot of these pieces turn negative. However, the Dodgers do have quite a few talented prospects in the minors, which may make a difference. Many other good teams also face decline soon from some of their stars. The Dodgers have put themselves in a great position for two to three years and their fans should hope that they get at least one more World Series champsionship out of those two to three years. It is a plausible outcome.
99socalfrc
$52m signing bonus? WTF how is MLB planning on having a competitive league in 5 years?
Mynameisnoname
Do you know how that affects the luxury tax?
Is the 52 removed from the 182 total, so 5 years/132 millions for LT purposes?
YankeesBleacherCreature
It doesn’t. It’s simply an advanced on his salaries and will counts towards his AAV. The huge upfront sum actually negates whatever the Dodgers may stand to gain with his deferred money.
Mynameisnoname
Makes sense. Thanks for the knowledge.
And I agree with Diggy that it is a big market flex that may need CBA addressing.
seamaholic 2
The deferrals are not to benefit the Dodgers (the contract will certainly require them to pay into escrow each year enough to guarantee the deferred payments). They are for the player to avoid CA state income tax.
Diggydugler
I think it counts towards the luxury tax so it is likely just because they have lots of money in the coffers right now to pay upfront because of WS + Japan money. But there should definitely be limits on these silly accounting structures, but it doesnt effect 98% of the players in the league. so no one cares.
Mynameisnoname
I appreciate the clarity. Certainly still an advantage only a dozen or so clubs could oblige.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Be ready for the misguided uproar when Snell’s updated BRef profiles shows that he’s *only* making $20MM/yr. with the Dodgers.
99socalfrc
The point is no other team has $52m to give him right now (like literally immediately). All of it still goes against the tax (except we don’t know what kind of shady deferral stuff they e done) but obviously it’s huge negotiating leverage to just be like “we will write you a $52m check before you leave the building”. At what point does MLB step in to even the playing field? Last year the Dodgers signed the joke of a contract with Ohtani and now this?
VegasMoved
The signing bonus is meaningless from a luxury tax perspective. That’s just about when the Dodgers pay Snell. What matters is the Average Annual Value (in present-day value). So his luxury tax hit is $36.4 million (depending on how much is deferred).
0523me
Vomit.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
Years ago, “The Onion” ran an article about the Yankees actually signing every single major league baseball player during the offseason. I thought it was really funny.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So it’ll be an annual cost of $26M a year, but won’t the CBA/Luxury Tax still be $36.4M, right?
I know that they covered this issue with Ohtani’s contract- what the “real dollar value” vs the “present day value” etc.
Also does this mean the Dodgers are transferring $52M one time to him upfront or is this one of those “signing bonuses” that’s actually just clever structuring- where some guys have that, say “$52 million signing bonus on a 10 year deal” but it’s actually $5.2 million a year extra as a pre-season or post season “bonus” or whatever?
99socalfrc
We don’t know the deferred money yet. The signing bonus counts against the tax, so that by itself doesn’t change the tax numbers. Deferred money does.
seamaholic 2
When the bonus is paid doesn’t matter for lux tax purposes. It’s averaged out over the five years. So yes, lux tax would be $36m a year. However deferrals are handled differently. They don’t count in lux tax until they are paid out, even though the team will be paying all along into escrow. And player pays no state tax on the deferrals either until he is retired and living in a no income tax state (or country). Total loophole. I’m gonna guess the deferrals are most of the rest of the $130m.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah they may have convinced him to take like $6M a year in straight cash and to hold off on the other $100M until after the contract expires… because that’s still $82M cash for the next 5 years, which is plenty for anybody, especially someone who knows this may be their last big contract before they retire from the game- so they want that massive income stream to continue as long as possible.
hockeyjohn
MLB is very, very broken.
Kc smoke
MAKE A SALARY CAP
also this is insane pay for a guy that’s gone 180 innings just twice in his career.
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KC
If Snell is so bad, why the big deal?
You can’t have it both ways, either Snell is a solid asset, or who cares?
Kc smoke
Snell getting this pay from the highest paying team ever is dumb and there should be a salary cap to stop this. He isn’t bad, just not the 200+ inning workhorse like his pay might suggest. If the league doesn’t want to ever do a salary cap then they should at least put a cap on how much a team can defer per offseason.
Ben K
Dodgers are really doing their best to become the hated free-spending Yankees of old.
Consider it done.
Terry B
And loving it!!
jdgoat
Ohtani, Yamamoto, Snell, Glasnow, and then your pick of about 4 good options. My god
momTurphy
Through 2029 they have Glasnow, Ohtani, Yoshi, Snell, and Bobby Miller….
Plus Gonsolin, Stone, May.
Still favorites for Roki who is a negligible cost until 2028-2030ish.
But that’s 6 big time starters for a team that still has a couple lineup holes.
Diggydugler
Lineup holes? I dont think a team with 3 position player MVPs (counting DH as position player) is too worried about lineup holes.. They may have settle for just a 2WAR corner OF 🙁
momTurphy
Relatively speaking for them. I would have thought a 3B or an OF was a much bigger need. Where an SP seemed meaningless to them. I just have more questions after this signing than answers. Makes you wonder about Ohtanis pitching health, if they’re out on Soto, if they’re out on Roki, etc.
Bivouac-Sal
@mom
as if they are done
seamaholic 2
They can trade for their last couple positions where they don’t have an all star.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If they get Sasaki, I expect Miller and May to be traded.
YourDreamGM
A deferred A for LA. I think of similar contracts deGrom Rodon. I’d rather have Snell. Cole twice as much. Sale needing tj. These awful 1 years with player option. It’s a lot of $ so risk. Solid deal though and the more $ deferred the better the deal.
Johnny81913
So $52 million signing bonus will be on their 2025 salary or how does that work? Guessing his salary is gonna be practically nothing for a year or 2?
seamaholic 2
For lux tax calculations the bonus is divided evenly over the 5 years. But yeah, I would imagine the salary structure will be heavily back loaded with some deferrals, so they will be able to load even more into this year’s roster.
JoseCruz68
Wow I hope the Dodgers go broke what a terrible sign!
maxmilna
Lmao cry more
seamaholic 2
They won’t. L.A. is an incredibly wealthy city and they not only draw the most, but charge the most per ticket, AND have the biggest local media deal.
Ma4170
Would have liked him on the mets but wouldnt have liked that contract. Dodgers just got even more dangerous.
Zakis
Tim, do you have us do these free agent brackets for us to pull our hair out after signings like this?
momTurphy
Next year I’m picking the Dodgers for the top 25 and angels for the bottom 25. Bound to get about 10 right
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
How have the Dodgers not gone over the tax threshold yet? Another contract worth 182 million. It’s getting ridiculous
momTurphy
They’ll be way over tax thresholds. And there is a lot of gamble in these moves. It may be 5+ years away, but a string of bad injuries, worse draft picks and Intl signings (due to tax threshold penalties) could cause massive financial constraints. But as of now they are banking more money than they are putting out still. The difference between the Evil Empire Yankees and these Dodgers, is the Dodgers have brilliant financial brains behind it all.
Terry B
Dodgers print money, they’ll be just fine!
SeanStL
Fools! A big market team should play it super safe and not spend money except on slightly above average players at just enough to make sure they all add up to an amount that prevents you from signing a big contract or have room to bring up your wealth of good but not great minor leaguers, like the Cubs.
differentbears
Dodgers are on a mission to get every player on the 2020 Rays a ring.
Rays in the Bay
No position players of course! They can have Taylor Walls for free!
differentbears
Keirmaier got a ring, and Manuel Margot might get one as well.
bucsfan0004
Snell is a perfect fit for the Dodgers… 5-6 inning pitcher who Ks a ton.
RunDMC
North of 128.2 IP/season only twice in 8 full seasons (2020 exc.), taking home Cy hardware both of those seasons. So, another high-risk, high-reward player. You’d think they’d get an innings-eater, but if it ain’t broke, give ’em a rotation spot.
bucsfan0004
Innings eaters prefer to pitch every 5th day. Next year’s Dodgers rotation seemingly will be on an every 6th game schedule. Let’s see if Snell stays healthy pitching 0.9x/week
RunDMC
He was just fine with starting late and finishing early (no postseason), so maybe.
99socalfrc
Padres signing Walker Buehler to a prove it deal & 2025 Cy Young incoming…
Baseball77
This puts me 0 for 3 on the Top 50 free agent guesses. I wonder if they give out a prize for missing on all the players?
yukz
I feel bad for guys like Knack, Gonsolin, May, Gavin Stone or even Bobby Miller who will never have a real chance to be starters on this team! All of the would be starters on most of the other 29 teams
bluesteele
Trade bait!
Baseball77
Why would the Dodgers need to trade anyone? They have built a super team and have no holes.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Gonsolin will start in 2025 and Stone is out injured regardless of team. Miller or May becomes trade bait, maybe both if they get Sasaki. Knack is just depth, probably not even trade bait.
Mariner22
The real danger of Dodger spending is it gives poor teams an excuse to not spend money. Why spend $150 million if the Dodgers spend $400 million? Get the same results with a $50 million payroll…
bluesteele
Or be the Royals and Baltimore!
seamaholic 2
Low payroll teams being successful is actually the far bigger incentive for teams to not spend.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
The current playoff format says “build an average team that can get hot in October”, for better or worse.
The way the big boys are spending, I’ll take the joke tournament format. A lot of teams would go from a small shot to no shot otherwise.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Attendance and fan excitement impacts the value of the franchise which is a benefit to the owner. As an example, the Padres have spent a lot recently and the value of their franchise has probably gone up enough to cover that.
cencal
What a rotation they have now.
An aging Kershaw is basically an afterthought at this point.
Ohtani, Glasnow, Snell, Yoshi, Fill in by whoever is healthy. (not in any order)
No need for Soto whatsoever.
good vibes only
Probably get Sasaki too. No, they definitely do not NEED Juan Soto.
runningwithnailclippers
But you know they really want him. I just don’t know if Soto would do the deferred money thing? I think some players are less excited about it.
VegasMoved
The rotation as it stands now (knowing Kershaw will re-sign):
1. Glasnow
2. Ohtani
3. Snell
4. Yamamoto
5. Kershaw
6. Gonsolin
Terry B
You forgot Sasaki, he’ll be in Dodger Blue soon!
VonPurpleHayes
I dont see Yamamoto has a 4 at all.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yeah.
Snell
Yamamoto
Glasnow
Ohtani
[Sasaki if they get him]
Kershaw (not available on Opening Day)
Gonsolin
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
All of them are huge health risks. Not one of those guys is durable.
hoof hearted
For a guy that has had a hard time averaging more than 5inn/start.??????
Bivouac-Sal
@hoof
have you watched any baseball lately?
hoof hearted
watch and count.
’24- just under 5.3inn/st
23- 5.6inn/st(CY win)
’22-5.33
21- 4.43
20-4.5
19-4.65
18-5.8inn per start
These # don’t add up to 35M/Y
and to those who think he is just going to magically start makeing 30-32 starts and going 6+inn per start. Good luck
Bivouac-Sal
hoof:
you are aware are you not that LAD won a championship last month with most of their starters going 4 or 5 innings and occasionally 6 (very rarely 7) throughout the regular season and postseason? That’s not only the norm in Dodgerland, its the prevailing trend throughout MLB, presupposing of course that a team has the requisite bullpen. I don’t necessarily endorse it, just stating the current state of affairs.
hoof hearted
Im a M’s fan- they been doing the short game for afew years now. all im saying is for 35M you’d want more than 5inn/st.
when most of your(LAD) SP have health issues- handle with care. Hey, I’m a Snell fan. Loved his attitude way back when they took him out of the came(when he was cruising-@TB) “wtf, you gotta be kinding me……” Tells ya he’s a gamer.
Not bashing him or the D’s- the amount of $ and his past durability- to me didnt = 35m/year.
Bivouac-Sal
peace bro
osfandan
At this rate baseball won’t be worth watching in a few years, unless some sort of salary floor & cap system is implemented. If they sign Soto it could cause irreparable damage to the sport.
momTurphy
It really sucks for SD, SF, Ari, Col fans who basically have to hope for a wild card. Baseball can still go to anyone in a playoff series though.
9/11ths
What really sucks for Colorado fans is an owner that knows the fan base will always somewhat support a garbage product, so they never deliver. The Dodgers have no effect on the Rockies.
The Rockies keep digging their hole while teams in the division keep trying. Don’t lump that buried pile of garbage with those other teams.
seamaholic 2
The Rox are doing fine. Their owner doesn’t care much about winning championships and it’s his toy, he can do what he wants. Their players love it there, too.
momTurphy
I agree there’s a big gap between Colorado and the rest of the NL West, but I think if they were in a central division or the AL west a team pumping out talent like Tovar, Doyle, Toglia…with Hughes, Dollander, Amador, Condon, Montgomery on the way…there would be light at the end of the tunnel
Oldhalo
@9/11ths – Forget the “garbage product”. You are clearly over looking that one team is snatching up the top 95% tier players, leaving the rest of the league with few options. Credit the Dodgers with servicing the fan base if you want but the greater issue, the issue that you are missing, is that it is unhealthy for the game, and the general consumer, unless of course your a Dodger fan.
Led Hoyer
Playing in the NL west is going to stink for a while. Not only do you get a disproportionate amount of games against the dodgers you can only get a wild card spot for your troubles. The white Sox single handedly peopled every Al central team into the playoff race last year and the Dodgers will have the opposite effect for the NL west.
Bivouac-Sal
@ Led
the best playoff matchup this past October was Padres-Dodgers. Padres nearly won it. Could have. Not to mention the Friars won the season series between the two. (8 to 5).
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Led Hoyer
All NL West teams not named the Dodgers benefitted the most in baseball from removing a series from each of the intra-division teams to accommodate playing at least one series against each MLB team.
Heck, even the confounded Rockies are pesky in their yard.
Rays in the Bay
@mom
The more I watch, the less I believe that. Buying talent shores up weaknesses and pushed a team through injuries at the finish line. What was the most flawed team that won the WS? 2019 Nationals? 2015 Royals? Other than those teams, most champions had a large pool of talent and enough money to buy talent.
YourDreamGM
If you develop a turner rendon soto strasburg and sign 2 100 million dollar starters to supplement them, you too can win a world series.
Royals even more impressive.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Stinks they let 40% of.teams.get into the.playoffs.
numberoneslayerfan
of course, lol
DarrenDreifortsContract
Everyone is complaining like every other team in MLB can’t afford this contract.
gravel
We don’t know if any other team did offer the same contract or more. Snell had the chance to sign with the defending WS champs who are also perpetual winners of the NL West and a team willing to spend to improve. There is more in LA’s favor than the contract.
YourDreamGM
Not every team can afford this. Teams are losing tv deals having to take less deals. If Pirates do this that’s it for their free agency. Also makes them unable to extend Skenes Cruz or Jones. 2 teams are playing at minor league parks.
VegasMoved
They’re also complaining about the deferrals which, frankly, look pretty modest for an MLB contract. There’s nothing crazy about this deal, people just don’t like the fact that it was the Dodgers who signed it.
Rays in the Bay
Literally 80% can’t. The remaining 20% are hoping to spend big money on Soto.
14thor
No Snell. No Soto. Just Sasaki.
Eric Ferrari
1. Glasnow
2. Snell
3. Yamamoto
4. Ohtani
5. Sasaki
6. Kershaw
This is insane.
seamaholic 2
Three of four best pitchers Japan ever produced, and five Cy Youngs among the others. Oh, and Tyler Glasnow.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Ohtani, Snell and Kershaw have varying degrees of likelihood of not making it through the whole season on the mound, for what that straw grasp is worth.
That’s probably why the Dodgers aren’t done signing pitchers.
Yankee Clipper
Why do you say Sasaki? He’s not even in the MLB.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
And all 6 of them will spend time on the disabled list in 2025.
Terry B
Fing love it!!
Smacky
Out of the Max Fried sweepstakes.
Butter Biscuits
Lets go goose!!
gravel
Gross.
mlbnyyfan
IMO. If I’m LA. I sign Burns instead or traded for Skubal.
Reyday
Why would the tigers even think about trading Skubal with their latest postseason run and Jobe/Clark/Jung about to get their feet wet?
momTurphy
I think Snell gets the nod from the Dodgers as a lefty to balance their rotation. Otherwise I’d agree. Could’ve had Burnes at a similar price.
SteveFinleyEnthusiast
Hey, good for Blake. I will not enjoy watching him pitch against my Friars, but that’s a hell of a deal for him.
highflyballintorightfield
This thread isn’t complete until Mickey Solis gets here.
unpaidobserver
Only Manfraud is under the mistaken impression that all this is good for the game.
The biggest tr0ll
Thank goodness it’s not the Red Sox. I don’t trust Snell to pitch a full season
No surprise it’s the Dodgers and I’ll bet they’ll be after Soto as well
Terry B
Good for them, they have an ownership group that cares about winning and will spend money instead of pocketing the profits! It’s called investing in your product to make it better!
Goetta
MLB is a joke. This deferred money contracts have to go. How is the rest of the league supposed to compete with teams that spend more on 2 players than other teams spend on their entire roster? Kids growing up watching their star players for 5 years and then bail to big markets because they can’t afford them. It’s not good for the sport. Buying championships shouldn’t be a thing. Adding pieces I’m fine with. But having a billion dollars in deferred money to avoid the luxury tax when there is already no salary cap is absurd. I remember when people lost their minds about Mike Piazza getting 8 mil a year. Where is this all going? Billion dollar contracts for baseball players? Seriously? Some teams don’t even have TV deals right now and this is allowed. Wake up MLB. NY, LA and a few other markets will love you. The rest you are losing. My team hasn’t won a playoff series since the 90’s. I may die without seeing another one at this rate.
VegasMoved
The deferrals in this contract are pretty modest and typical for most MLB contracts. Not sure why people are getting upset over this.
bluepelotas
Every team in MLB can offer deferral contracts ….LOL but they choose not to and then fans blame the system or the mighty Dodgers!!!?? Haters are bums
Rays in the Bay
@Vegas,
I’ve done research on contracts before and never encountered this type of deferral payment. If it is normal as you say, it has not been done to the extent of what the Dodgers are doing now.
VegasMoved
Do more research. Most high value contracts had at least some deferred money. This contract doesn’t have much compared to what you normally see in big contracts. The only outlier is Ohtani.
runningwithnailclippers
It is a joke, but these owners don’t care about it being fair. They just want the money and with it being shared, they don’t really care.
StreakingBlue
The concept of purchasing a championship is a misconception. Please elucidate why deferring compensation is detrimental. If a player desires to defer a portion of their salary to facilitate the acquisition of another player, thereby enhancing the team’s chances of success, it should not be viewed as a negative action. Not trying to argue. Just want to see some sorta explanation.
Rays in the Bay
What are you talking about? The Dodgers JUST bought their championship. Betts/Freeman/Ohtani/Yamamoto… Yeah sure some were trades but they also had loads of money to extend them, didn’t they?
What you say is true, but there’s a difference between one or two players doing it and building a superteam. Superteams are not good for sports in general. Yankees never had a superteam. Neither did the Mets, Astros, Red Sox, Padres. They always landed one or two big FAs, but that doesn’t hold a candle to what the Dodgers are currently doing.
VegasMoved
“Yankees never had a superteam.”
Son, how old are you?
VonPurpleHayes
2009 Yankees. Superteam. Bought by the Yankees. Also, the MVP was a DH. Yankees would have lost that WS if the AL didn’t win the All-Star Game as that stupidly determined homefield advantage. Crazy facts.
cencal
The Pads were just in the playoffs recently without a single homegrown player of any consequence.
LA won the WS in 2020 with a totally homegrown rotation.
I do agree that this isn’t sustainable though when a couple teams can dominate the FA market, and I am a Dodgers fan.
LA signing Soto wouldn’t be good for the game.
Goetta
It’s because deferred money keeps them from spending more on the luxury tax penalty. Ohtani said himself he did it so the dodgers could sign additional players to win championships. So if you want proof look at what your player said through an interpreter who was probably gambling for him.
maxmilna
Waaaaah waaaah
runningwithnailclippers
Did someone forget to change your diaper?
Enrico Pallazzo
Snell has been on many teams at thhis point. He has “bailed” for other teams several times now. This is a business for him. You very well might do the same thing in his position
Goetta
What I’m referring to in deferred money is mainly Ohtani’s contract. It allows the Dodgers to sign players they couldn’t have and Ohtani is like signing two superstars (pitcher, hitter). If they didn’t defer the money then they would be WAY over the luxury tax. You can’t say ‘every big contract has this’ without sounding ignorant to what is going on. Certain teams do this, sure. But to do it in a grotesque fashion is what I’m talking about. This is the same team that won the WS and returns Ohtani, Glasnow and Kershaw to the pitching staff. Please anyone tell me where this is OK and reasonably fair to other teams. Please.
Joe It All
You have to be a Reds fan if your name is Goetta. I’m a Reds fan too and I don’t care how much money the Dodgers spend. I like our chances this year and I love the rotation they are putting together that doesn’t even have Rhett Lowder or Chase Burns in it yet. The Reds have a chance to be really good over the next half decade plus so don’t give up all hope yet. The team is finally putting a good product on the field. Give it a couple years and I’ll be celebrating like it’s 6th grade all over again with the 1990 sweep of the A’s.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Of course the Dodgers are Signing Snell. It’s pointless to have real competition. If it’s not the Yankees, it’s the Dodgers. This league is a joke.
Yankee Clipper
The Yankees have not won a WS since 2009 and had their first WS appearance in 15 years last season. Also, the Yanks didn’t even make the playoffs last season. Moreover, the Padres, Mets, and Texas signed a TON of high-end talent and, in the same timeframe, the Yankees did not.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Stop pretending that going big financially doesn’t gives teams a regularly high percentage of going to the playoffs. Just because on the rare circumstance it fails doesn’t strengthen an argument that it doesn’t work. Dodgers go out and go ape crap crazy last year and won the World Series. Do your argument is flawed.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Dodgers are not a sure thing to do anything. Every single starting pitcher they have is a huge health risk. I can see a scenario where all six spend time on the disabled list in 2025. The roster is getting older. Freeman Betts going to start breaking down. There is nothing inevitable about the Dodgers.
920falcon
The Yankees have deep pockets for sure, but…these are not George’s Yankees.
VonPurpleHayes
The Yankees just signed Aaron Judge as a FA. That’s not high-end talent? Also Cole? Come on buddy.
Just because Judge was homegrown does not mean the Yankees didn’t splurge on getting him signed longterm. That was arguably the 2nd biggest signing of the last decade. Soon to be third biggest after Soto.
Yankee Clipper
Yes they did, but that’s two players Von. The Padres, Mets, Phillies, Rangers all signed FAR more high-end talent in the same time frame. Braves signed several players, and even the Twins signed Correa. To say it’s the “Dodgers or Yankees” is simply not true.
VonPurpleHayes
Oh I agree it’s not just the Dodgers and Yankees, but my point is, it’s certainly the Yankees.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply they don’t do it, it’s just they’re one of many teams that do.
runningwithnailclippers
Good for them for signing him, and all the rest this off season. I wonder how many bandwagon/winning team chaser fans they have picked up?
It's in the CARDS
Those fans are where the dollars lie.
Old York
Always wanted to know how an All-Star team would do in 162 season. Let’s hope they sign Burnes and Soto too
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
No Soto is not signing with the Dodgers. That would be boring, no competition, beating every team over and over by a landslide. These guys are competitors. At any rate this Dodgers team is OLD. Folks going to start or continue to break down.
runningwithnailclippers
You are correct on their age, but I don’t think the Dodgers care. They will just release and replace, even if it costs oodles.
Oldhalo
Time for me to move onto football where things are more competitive and will be more entertaining. The Dodgers weren’t even at full strength going into the World Series and they made the Yankees look like the Chicago White Sox. No salary cap, no limits on deferred salaries, and no way of assuring the general baseball consumer gets a quality product, which is good competitive baseball. Why watch and why pay?
VegasMoved
Yeah, in the NFL you see a different champion every year. When was the last time the NFL had back-to-back champs?
920falcon
Probably the Patriots in the early 2000s.
Doug Dueck
Vegas – last year! Kansas City won the Super Bowl in 2023 & 2024 and look good enough to do it a 3rd time this season.
Bivouac-Sal
@oldhalo
bye
Yankee Clipper
Where does that thought come from? Look at the past twenty-five years and you’ll see the NFL is NOT more competitive. Look at this season, Giants? Miami? Baltimore Ravens? Jets? New England? Raiders? Browns?
Those teams are the opposite of competitive. It’s a fallacy to think NFL has more parity, objectively speaking.
cencal
The Ravens aren’t competitive?
Yankee Clipper
That’s my bad, I meant the Titans, but the point still stands. There are several others I haven’t mentioned that aren’t competitive.
Joe It All
The NFL is more competitive? Which part of competitive are you talking about? The Patriots dynasty the first 18 years of the decade or the Chiefs dynasty the last 6 years?
Joe It All
*century not decade.. haha
Gumby82
It’s ok, Giants fans. We signed Max Stassi to a minor league deal.
gravel
The Max Stassi mega AAA minor league roster filler deal was announced prior to this. It is more likely
the Snell signing is in response to the Stassi signing.
“We’ll show you Max!” Friedman, probably.
Rays in the Bay
I think all FAs have it in for the Giants.
Terry B
Vagiants! Ha, Ha!
emptybattingavg
yeah giants should keep spending money its clearly worked the last several years, oh wait they are just the .500 version of the rockies
Dodgerfan75
Ah would’ve rather had max fried
Bivouac-Sal
I like Fried but Snell is better
Dodgerfan75
Disagree. Max is younger, better stats, more complete games.
Bivouac-Sal
Can’t argue with the age difference. But I am happy with Snell, especially as a big game guy. Wouldn’t kick if it had been Max.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Fried does not have better stats. Comparable. While Fried is the most consistent Snell much more upside than Fried or Burnes. He has durability issues but so does Fried and he’s older. But numbers wise Snell has best of the big 4 FA SPs. Two time CY winner. Dominant at year end last year and CY winner year before. Hope he can keep the walks down.
Plus he doesn’t cost you draft picks. Dodgers went for the best quality.
towinagain
Let’s face it the Dodgers will sign every FA available this offseason. MLB will.make a roster size exemption for them.
MLB is a joke.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Cheer up towinagain, the Dodgers are going to be an old broken down team before you know it, probably starting in 2025. All their big stars are past 30 now and have injury red flags. Even the young guy Yamamoto spent almost half the year on the disabled list.
Bivouac-Sal
Ignorant (I agree with that):
How did your predictions of blue doom and gloom work out last season?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t think I had those predictions last season, did I ??
mlbdodgerfan2015
Dodgers have a lot of depth especially at SP so they should be able to weather the IL storms similar to last year. All that matters is having a relatively healthy team at end of regular season.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
It’s gonna be a long decade, isn’t it?
Yankee Clipper
I don’t think so. People were saying the same thing about be Mets/Cohen and it failed. LAD still has to win the games and baseball has a way of evening the score, so to speak.
Pads Fans
Congrats to Snellzilla for getting paid. Very happy for him. $36.4 million AAV is a lot of money.
Because the $33 million AAV in “present day dollars” puts them over the Cohen CBT tax line, the Dodgers will pay $69.3 million for Snell in 2025.
Rays in the Bay
Snell will probably not be as good as the end of last year just because he’s always been pretty inconsistent year to year. Having said that, if he has a good year, he can be ace quality. The Dodgers now have 4 aces on their staff. They have no limit on resources. All the money they can get from their own TV network and sponsor deals from Japan, so this is pennies to them, and actually cheapens the contract due to inflation.
Amazing. I don’t expect them to sign anyone else except Sasaki, but what do I know? Their resources just never end, I shouldn’t be surprised by who they sign anymore.
south side hit men
This is actually great for MLB. They need a dynasty type team for casual fans to latch onto or to root against. Dynasty team/villain is good for business.
Goetta
Completely disagree. There are already villain teams without tipping the scales of competitive balance. NFL has a salary cap and there are several villains. See Steelers, cowboys, giants, Jets (I know some of these teams suck). But ESPN covers them 24/7 no matter where they are and they are hated because of it. When the Bengals made the Super Bowl I was like oh man, we will be on ESPN now. Stacking a roster with no rules is not OK. There are no rules in MLB.
Joe It All
And the Bengals are still covered on ESPN all the time because they have Joe Burrow. I’ve been a Bengals fan for the last 40 years and experienced the dreadful decade of the 1990’s where the Bengals were the laughing stock of professional sports. The Bengals of now are exciting and fun to watch and have fans from all over the country because Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase have made them cool. The franchise is very relevant now and as soon as they win the big one they will become the villains. Nothing gets you hated more than winning.
YourDreamGM
Highest ratings in years. Let’s get LA NY round 2 2025
Well....shoot
Padres need to sign Buehler and Sasaki
maxmilna
Crying yourself to sleep tonight?
Well....shoot
max-Nope
Pads Fans
Sasaki? Yes. Buehler? No. He has had two UCL surgeries and is not likely to ever be better than what you saw in 2024.
Well....shoot
Then maybe Flaherty but idk
DarrenDreifortsContract
Just to finish in second place lol.
Well....shoot
Well… yeah, but we can have a better chance in the playoffs by signing Sasaki and another pitcher since Musgrove is out for the season.
Mickey Solis
Don’t even allow comments here. The sane people who realize these greedy pigs are ruining the sport are being outnumbered by the loser trolls posing as Dodgers “fans” telling you that your favorite owner could do it too! It’s disgusting, they abuse the system, but MLB is a sham and I sincerely hope people stop watching.
rubenc49
All non-Dodger fans may have forgotten how we suffered through the Frank McCourt era from 2004-2012. Our payroll fell below mid market teams as he used the Dodgers as his personal piggy bank and neglected the team. Our attendance dwindled as fans fought back they only we could, by boycotting games. The Guggenheim Group bought the team to make money, sure, but they do that by wanting to win more than everyone else. If the Guggenheim Group had purchased YOUR favorite team then it would be YOUR team that would be reaping the benefits. Other baseball owners don’t allocate resources like Guggenheim. Ask them why.
Also, Dodger fans know our pitchers often spend more time on the IL than on the mound (LA only had three starters in’24). I guarantee the Dodger playoff rotation will NOT feature Glasnow, Snell, Yamamoto, Ohtani, and whoever the other two are (LA will have a six man rotation). Guys you’ve never heard of will be pitching for LA in October. No doubt.
The Dodgers were the best team in 1978. They lost. They were the best team in 2017. They lost. Anything can happen in October, like getting swept by Arizona in 2023. The best don’t always win. The richest don’t always win. You still have to play the game and honestly, the Dodgers have underperformed in their time in LA. In the past 59 years, the Dodgers have only won THREE “normal” championships (’65, ’88, ’24) Their ’81 crown was the Strike year and “20 was Covid.
As a Dodger fan, I feel the Dodger organization had (and still has) something to prove. On paper, they are the best team in MLB but baseball isn’t Strat-o-Matic. There is nothing guaranteed, nothing automatic but the Guggenheim Group keeps reminding all the other teams: to become the champion, you must BEAT LA.
Pads Fans
Since Guggenheim bought the team before the 2013 season the Dodgers have spent more than a half billion more than the 2nd highest spending team. That gap will go up after 2025.
Mickey Solis
Not a bad post actually and you sound like one of the rare intelligent Dodgers fans – at least on this site. But you have to admit they have an unfair advantage no matter how you slice it. I will say I do appreciate when even a Dodger fan can recognize not only the asterisk of 2020, but 1981. That often gets forgotten since it happened so long ago.
Niekro floater
If anybody deserves an asterisk next to their WS accomplishment, it’s the garbage can Astros.*
Rsox
Because, why not right?
Oh well, keeps him out of Boston, which probably isn’t a bad thing
Redstitch108* 2
This is an outrage. The Dodgers and Yankees have priced out the other 28 teams totally. No chance for any other teams. And the average fan has been priced out too from going to the games. The MLB is broken. Very broken. Sad.
maxmilna
Mets too
larkraxm
You know that each team receives close to $200 million dollars in revenue sharing and national revenues? In 2024, only 10 teams spent the whole amount of money they receive from the league on payroll. 10 teams didn’t even spend what they receive in revenue sharing on payroll. Some owners are just pocketing the money they receive from the league and not putting a competitive product on the field. The sad thing is that some fans fall for it. Your owner sucks. Your poor billionaire can afford to spend the money he gets for free from the league on payroll. If he can’t, then he should sell the team. If any team goes up for sale, it has multiple bidders instantly. Why?? Because they all know it is an easy moneymaker…especially if you only want to extract money and don’t care if the team is competitive. Some teams think that winning is profitable and invest in that theory.
Len Clements
How many fellow Boomers remember back in 1976 when A’s owner Charley Finley sold Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox for $1 million each ($5.55 million today) and Vida Blue to the Yankees for $1.5 million ($8.32 million), then three days later commissioner Bowie Kuhn disallowed these already star-laden teams to simply buy even more top talent because it wasn’t in the “best interests of baseball”?
Joe It All
Vida Blue was being sold to the Reds and the commissioner nixed the deal because the Big Red Machine was already loaded with stars.
sufferforsnakes
Once again, stupid money for a guy not worth stupid money. I despise all teams that do this, and I openly root for them to lose.
Bivouac-Sal
@ suffer
awwww
Enrico Pallazzo
None of you would be crying about the sport being ruined if this were any other team. It’s hilarious
LordD99
So in the end, Boras got Snell a six-year deal from ‘24-‘29 worth over $200MM.
runningwithnailclippers
Shhh… they all blame Boras for his players not signing a contract even though they are adults and make their own choices.
VermonsterSD
Meh. This was expected. I figured they’d do Fried/Adames/Hernandez, so just sub Snell for Fried. Everyone know they wanted another starter. They won’t get Soto, might not get Sasaki, so whatever.
Arm
These super teams are absurd . Between the Dodgers and the Yankees, who spend like money doesn’t matter, what chance does a small market team has? It’s no longer about how good your GM is at team building, but how deep their teams pockets run. And you wonder why fans are not showing up? It’s not the pace of the game that’s the problem it’s eternal Goliath vs Samson clash, except here in the real world Goliath crushes Samson 99% of the time. Baseball needs a salary cap like the NFL, then and only then will it be about competence instead of spending spree.
920falcon
Didn’t David kill Goliath, not Samson. Maybe I am missing the analogy you are making.
Arm
I stand corrected you have the right analogy, my mistake.
emptybattingavg
So much crying. If your teams ownership cannot ‘afford’ to spend more, maybe they should sell to someone wealthy enough who can afford it. I’m sure Bezos is willing to buy a team to add to his empire.
Arm
So it’s not about ability, it’s all about money…. Which makes it more like a stock market than a sport.
PuttPutt⁰³
MLB payroll is broken. Has been for years. If you can’t see or accept that, that’s on you.
emptybattingavg
Then how do all these low budget small market teams keep making the playoffs
JerseyShoreScore
Dodgers are the primary reason with their TWO Full Season World Championships over the last 57 Years.
PuttPutt⁰³
Dodgers have an unbelievable local television rights deal, that no one in MLB can match, no one else is going to match.
This is just one reason why the state of MLB financials is completely unfair.
Bivouac-Sal
Teams divide up 48 percent of their net local revenue. That includes local media, ticket sales, concessions, merchandise and sponsorships. Think before you post.
Niekro floater
All those vast resources n they have smartest cutting edge FO in whole sport. Friedman used to make magic w/those Ray’s teams outa nothing. Now he’s got unlimited carte blanche. Ain’t afraid to spend gazillions for better quality team on field, best product in the industry right now. Go Dodgers !
Terry B
Dodgers ROCK!
Niekro floater
Need to re-sign Teo. Bring Roki into the fold. And add Pads SS Kim to fill that void. Then maybe re-sign Kike n add cpl BP arms n should be good to go. For all the haters, just think about if it was your team trying this hard to be the best … you’d be ecstatic n smiling ear to ear.
runningwithnailclippers
I think Kim is giong to be out for a while. I believe McLain for the Reds had the same sort of injury and it took a good year to recover.
Terry B
Sasaki and Adames are next, go Dodgers!
SadMsFan
Could be a good deal for the Dodgers if they can get him to be his best self. If not, they’re really in for a disastrous deal here. Personally, I would have gone with Corbin Burnes here.
yanks2323
Soto is watching this and thinking – getting back to the World Series with the Mets now, nope! Do I go back to the NYY or sign with LAD?
brewers214
I hate the Dodgers
Bivouac-Sal
@brewers
well everyone needs a hobby
PuttPutt⁰³
Hate any team able to spend like this vs other teams who can’t spend 1/3 of that. Smh
Bivouac-Sal
@ putt
glad to see you are enjoying your life,
differentbears
Won’t. Not can’t. Won’t.
swtnes34
More deferral monies for MLB’s pets…the other teams say thanks, thanks alot…
PuttPutt⁰³
Payroll wise, MLB continues to be so broke and it will never change.
Candlestoked
For this greedlust, the Dodgers shall burn in the pus stink of eternal hellfire. May their fans rot in traffic. Boo!
Bivouac-Sal
typical giants fan taking the high road…
Candlestoked
Unsportsmanlikeq conduct. Ten car lengths penalty. Still fourth down.
Bivouac-Sal
don’t you mean still fourth place?
empirejim
Real punishment would be to reside in that cesspool they call the Bay Area and be consigned to baseball hell, aka Giants fandom.
Candlestoked
Yuk Yuk Empire Jim apparently knows lots about cesspools! He is a conno-sewer!
This one belongs to the Reds
Of course they are.
The commissioners office has a blind eye when it comes to these shenanigans so it will continue. Robby the robot wouldn’t dare question his large market masters.
Then they wonder why baseball is dying between the coasts.
Bivouac-Sal
dying.
yeah like The Royals, The Guardians, The Cubs, Astros, Rangers.
This one belongs to the Reds
When is the last time Cleveland sold out every game?
The last three you mentioned are large market with huge local TV deals. KC is a one year wonder every once in a while.
Bivouac-Sal
@Reds
Your statement was “baseball is dying between the coasts.”
I responded to that. It had nothing to do with large market or small market and neither did your post mention that aspect.
I pointed out that there are plenty of successful teams “between the coasts.” If the fans aren’t showing up or tuning in to those teams your problem is local, not systemic.
This one belongs to the Reds
When some teams have enough local TV money to cover salaries and are 10 times what some teams are receiving (if they are at all with Bally’s bankruptcy), it is indeed a systemic problem. Of course there are 8-10 teams taking advantage of that that don’t want to do what’s good for the game just as their fans don’t.
Bivouac-Sal
48% of all TV revenue, not to mention, 48% of all revenue from concessions, merch & sponsorships is shared equally among all 30 teams. Yes the Dodgers and Yanks and other wealthy teams have more dough. It was like that in 1920, 1940, 1960, 1980 etc. Still the Reds managed to be a powerhouse in the 70’s. How’d that happen?
Yaz'sOldBattingGloves
Yeah i still haven’t forgotten when the commissioner nixed the deal between the Red Sox and Oakland. that would’ve brought Steve Finley, Vida Blue, and Rollie Fingers to Boston. I believe it was nixed because the players were being sold not traded.
This one belongs to the Reds
Vida Blue was traded to the Reds. Then he wasn’t.
Commissioners had honor then.
differentbears
Sold. Not traded.
And if you can’t see the difference between selling a player for cash and a player choosing to sign where he wants to play, idk what else to tell you.
The McNasty1
Overrated/over paid.
letitbelowenstein
Los Angeles Store Boughts strike again.
Yaz'sOldBattingGloves
Wow at $36.4M a year they way over paid in my opinion. Snell has thrown 180 innings in his career twice. He an often injured pitcher. When he’s not injured, he’s a great pitcher, but that’s one hell of a gamble for an every other year pitcher.
ccsilvia
Honestly good for the Dodgers. They’re shamelessly exposing how broken the system is while using it to their own advantage. You’ve got to tear it down in order to fix it, and they’re willing to exploit the loopholes that exist while they still do. Any team could, they’ve just got the gall to actually go through with it.
geotheo
Notice there is a lot of doom and gloom over Snell’s contract. Just for perspective the 2 year deal he signed right before the 2024 season had an AAV of 31 million. This contract the AAV is a little over 36 million. So he gets a raise of 5 million a year. If he had signed a 3 year 108 million dollar contract don’t think there would be the same reaction. So the sticker shock comes from the extra 2 years. And for those who think this automatically makes the Dodgers unbeatable at most Snell will make 32 starts. So for at least 130/162 games Snell will be sitting in the dugout. Do not lose hope. The season isn’t over
Bivouac-Sal
@geo
wow. a calm, sane, rational analysis.
JerseyShoreScore
If and I assume it will not work out, but the Dodgers should have a similar offense in 2025 as 2024.
A playoff rotation of Ohtani, Snell, Glasnow, and Yamamoto on paper seems very formidable.
920falcon
First stop of the Scott Boras revenge tour.
Sad.Sox 3
Not a Dodgersfan, but I love it. Baseball needs a villain again. Keep signing everyone, make these other cheapskate billionaires spend their money too
theonlydynasty
My thoughts exactly. Look how many people are getting passionate about hating the Dodgers. As a Yankees fan, I finally get it. They can’t be the Evil Empire, that’s taken. Maybe Mordor?
Sad.Sox 3
As a Red Sox fan in CT. i totally get the Evil Empire. That arms race with the Yanks caused the Sox to go out and sign Manny, Pedro, Schilling etc.
If you’re a fan of the Diamondbacks, tell your owner to go out and sign Corbin Burnes and Anthony Santander, rather than pocketing the luxury tax money
differentbears
The Dodgers are the Yankees of baseball.
Stevil
The Dodgers are the official J. Wellington Wimpy of baseball.
Scott Kliesen
Clearly the CBT philosophy to moderate spending by large market teams, while increasing spending for small market teams is terminally flawed.
Congratulations MLB, MLBPA, and media partners, y’all got what you want , perpetual relevance of Dodgers at the small expense of competition.
Bivouac-Sal
please explain the 2024 success of the Royals, Orioles, Brewers, Guardians, Tigers, Mariners…
Bivouac-Sal
not to mention the Padres…
Ma4170
Padres? They had a top ten payroll
Bivouac-Sal
the point was about small markets, not payrolls.
Ma4170
But in the context of spending. They didn’t spend like a small market team, so the fact they were competitive isn’t as noteworthy.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Window dressing.
Sometimes, the champ lets the ringer get in a punch or two to make the fight look real.
Bivouac-Sal
Weak.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Pretending fixed fights are fair is pretty weak, yeah.
But, fun if like pretending you won, I guess.
Bivouac-Sal
Grow up
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Growing up means winning your trophies instead of buying them.
Bivouac-Sal
that makes as much sense as your analogy.
_Soulrocker_
Sucsess of those teams?
Scott Kliesen
I actually believe there’s a formula for small market teams to compete as Rays, Indians, and Twins to name a few have demonstrated. But it’s simply ridiculous to think a team that is spending 3-4x more in player payroll doesn’t have a huge advantage. As such, this proves to me competitive fairness is not MLB & MLBPA priority.
JerseyShoreScore
Until TWO MONTHS ago the Los Angeles Dodgers had ONE, full season World Championship in 57 years…
So, the Dodgers can’t go from a team known for choking and being a perianal disappointment to ruining baseball or destroying coemption.
Almost ZERO media members and even fans thought the Dodgers would even beat the Padres in the NLDS this season.
This comment or line of thinking is laughable.
Scott Kliesen
@jerseyshore but how many playoff appearances have they had in recent years? Your comment says more about the randomness of small sample size outcomes found in 3,5, & 7 game series, than the unfair advantage large market teams have in constructing a roster to win consistently over a large sample of 162 games.
3 finger split
The Dodgers found out who Sasaki is going to sign with and made a nice pivot to Snell…the NL West should be fun to watch as it turns into an “Arms” race
JerseyShoreScore
Considering Sasaki is basically free to sign, he was irrelevant to the Dodgers deal with Snell. They wanted one of the top three starters and they got him. They will do all they can to convince Sasaki that LA is the best spot for him too.
differentbears
Or the Dodgers know that the future is six good starters (plus more in the wings) to manage workloads.
They’re going to have two Japanese starters next year, one who already has been kept to the NPB standard on rest between starts. Not sure if Ohtani was, but he’ll be on an innings limit. And if they get Sasaki (they are by no means out on him), a six man rotation makes even more sense.
bravesfan
He ultimately got near what mlb trade rumors projected he’d get last season, cept 1 less year slightly better money overall when you include this deal and the giants deal. He’s lucky. Worked out for him and Chapman. Guys like Montgomery, the late signing strategy failed horribly. Hoping JM can bounce back a little
Mikenmn
I admire the Dodgers FO for being decisive. Snell is the kind of pitcher they use extremely effectively. If they get 140 high quality IP the structure works, If he gets injured or is just ineffective, well, it’s just money, Not a Dodger fan at all, but in terms of leveraging their assets, buying high quality, they are in a class by themselves.
Cheeseman Forever
Feels like an overpay given his inconsistent record, but who knows what’s an overpay nowadays?
JerseyShoreScore
I think there is a bit of an increased price tag if you want a player to sign on the early side. There is value for the Dodgers in having “certainty” that they added one of the Top 3 free agent starting pitchers. Maybe they would be okay with Burnes or Fried, but preferred Snell. If they wait, they could get caught adding none of them. This can allow them to move onto their next off season goal.
C Yards Jeff
I thought it was an underpay. He could’ve gotten more someplace else. True, he’s making a ton of cash here, but not his emphasis.
He’s getting up there in age, wanting a ring is priority. Yes? And in his mind, playing for the Dodgers is his best chance of getting one. So he tells Boras to make something happen now before for Burnes and Fried catch wind of anything.
UpintheAir
I wonder if the Dodgers are done or will they get Burnes, too?
JerseyShoreScore
They are definitely done at the top tier level of pitchers. They need an OF and will likely add a back end SP if they fail to land Sasaki.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Cool sport.
Put all the best players on the same 2 or 3 teams.
Trash league.
Also, there was a time when just joining a winner to get an easy ring would have been looked down upon.
I know everyone else has forgotten him or laughs at him, but much respect to Mike Trout who decided he’d either build a winner or not be one. Not chase one like a groupie.
“Magic, buy me a trophy!”
Once again…TRASH league.
empirejim
Dumb. Trout chased Arte’s comfortable money and found out the “winning team” they were building was all smoke and mirrors because Arte couldnt build a winner if it was a Lego set. Now Trout finds he’s given his best to an idiot and likely wishes he could change a lot of it.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Exactly.
Only the Angels would have paid him and made him comfortable.
Patrick Mahomes doesn’t have to go the Giants or Rams to win.
Just to belabor the point…
What team should Trout have signed with if he wanted to win…?
oneiblnd
The Ohtani signing for deferred payments was bad for baseball. Should have never been allowed.
skullbreathe
Matt Chapman’s Instagram account depicting Snell as a snake reflects how the organization viewed him. A “Me-Me-Me” player who only cares about himself. S.F. Giants say good riddance..
JerseyShoreScore
Fortunately, the Dodgers just need Snell to pitch once a week…
Wrian Washman
To be fair there has to be someone who exploits, extorts, and manipulates the system while not being penalized, to know there is a problem to begin with. As much as this is clearly some BS they’re just doing what they’re being allowed to get away with. Nothing can change till the the next CBA negotiations at the earliest.
alwaysgo4two
Not a wise sign, but when your funds are pretty much unlimited, why not? If anyone noticed he’s not good early in the season. Why? My guess is that he puts pressure on himself to perform. He never had that problem with the Rays and that market didn’t demand it. once he got to SD, SF, you’ll notice that he started out rough, finished strong. It won’t be any different with LA, where the pressure to perform is even higher. Sure, they’ll get a dominating second half, but is half a season worth $36 mil a year? Don’t believe me. I’m a Rays fan…yes, we’re out there…and I’ve seen the pattern.
mlbdodgerfan2015
There’s always pressure to perform no matter what team you’re pitching for. They’re pitching for their livelihoods and no outside pressure is more than the pressure they put on themselves. All that matters is having Snell at top of his game in October. If the Dodgers have Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in October I like their chances very much. Big if though.
_Soulrocker_
Pathetic
Salzilla
Went to bed right before this, but I like having surprises in the morning. As NYY fan I’m happy he went there, I didn’t want to deal with his extreme ups and downs. Especially not for five years at least.
Top 50: 2/3
cpdpoet
Born down in a dead man’s town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
End up like a dog that’s been beat too much
‘Til you spend half your life just to cover it up, now
Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
tim 14
SAD
‘Not Funny !
dpsmith22
More proof that the luxury tax is just a smokescreen that mlb uses to claim parody.
westcasey
Baseball can easily afford 2 expansion teams. The business is striving. Unfortunately, not all owners are looking for ‘sporting competition’ but only the business end profits. (Athletics, Cleveland, Tampa, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati etc.). It’s a great game but is hugely distorted in terms of competition. Every group has its way, from foolish (Angels, Rockies) to amusingly impulsive (Seattle, SanDiego) to the locust-like franchise patterns (Detroit, KC, ChiSox,) to the stabilizing franchises who are wannabe and can’t help having wide fan bases and cash (Mets, Philly, Atlanta, Boston Yankees, Cubs, SF, St.Louis, ). The resources are not equal. the ownership commitments are not equal, so the product is not equal.
Sometimes, in a single game, a single player can clearly be the difference. In the long run, quality depth usually wins.
JoeBrady
Athletics, Cleveland, Tampa, Miami, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati etc.
=========================
In today;s news, we find out that small market teams have less revenue than the large market teams.
Just imo, the way to judge spending is by comparing spending rank with revenue rank. In other words, the team with the 10th best revenue should have approximately the 10th highest payroll.
seamaholic 2
And it is generally true. Some exceptions like the Padres, but mostly yeah. The low payroll teams have 1/10 the revenue of the Dodgers and Yankees and Mets.
RickEO
Thank you redsox. Dude is fragile
LarryBiitnersGhost
So is it $182M/5 plus $52M for $234M total or is the $52M bonus included in the $182M?
I mean it will make a difference in what sort of LA housewarming gift I send him – either a nice set of bathroom hand towels or a $25 gift card to Home Depot
Veejh
Included
IndianaBraves85
Now they can sign Fried and just go ahead and have an entire rotation of aces, because that’s fair.
teddyballgame
I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but nothing in life is fair. Whine all you want but it’s not the Dodgers, Yankees or any other team’s job to help other teams win. I’d say they do more than enough with the luxury tax payments they send to other team’s owners.
seamaholic 2
It kind of is their job. In the end, they need other teams to play who are competitive and draw fan interest. It is actually in their interest to have a more balanced league.
splooz
It’s the leagues job to make us feel it’s fair and keep us interested and frankly…they’re failing.
desertdawg
MLB needs the Dodgers to dominate the NLW, for God sake they don’t want the Colorado Rockies to be playing the Vagabond A’s in a World Series anytime soon. Remember all the complaints from the fans and media when the Texas Rangers played the Arizona. Nope MLB and FOX want the Yankees and Dodgers in a World Series every year. The other teams are just regular season gate money for the Dodgers and Yankees. MLB made that rule to help out the small market teams with a little money they throw to their sparing teams, knowing they won’t compete against the big money teams just to keep them solvent, so they don’t fold.
JoeBrady
I was hoping the RS landed him, but he might just be committed to the west coast.
usc88
I’m not saying you should hope for an injury, but I’d understand
Van Lingle Mungo
So you’re saying that you wouldn’t mind a player being hurt because he’s good at what he does? Wow, sounds like you’re a real POS.
muskie73
Does Blake Snell’s reported contract increase the trade value of Seattle right-hander Luis Castillo?
Snell and Castillo, who were born eight days apart, have each made 211 starts in their MLB careers.
Snell has posted 24.5 fWAR and 23.4 bWAR over 1,096.2 innings while Castillo has posted 23.9 fWAR and 24.0 bWAR over 1,230 innings. Over the past four seasons Snell has made 103 starts while Castillo has made 121 starts.
Snell may well have the higher ceiling but Castillo has been more durable and reliable. Each quality provides value.
muskie73
Castillo has three years and $74.5 million remaining on his contract with a vesting option for a fourth year.
westcasey
interesting comparison of facts. I appreciate your research. Seattle has a good deal in Castillo and any team trying to acquire him needs to pay extra because of his comparison. I like that. Good for Seattle. The GM loves to trade and Castillo would be valuable, except on the trade site that calculates trade value.
On the thought of Snell in negotiations, I keep hoping that a team(s) say no to the opt-outs that basically say “if the player does well, he will leave your team and search for more money BUT if he stinks a/o gets hurt he will remain with you as a loyal and trusted payee
Jimmy Garbagebag
This is basically the “price fixing” of the MLB. A team powers its way into organizing a few left open legal loopholes to penetrate, and thus, we have the Dodgers. Like, their literal name means “dogde” and uh,,,,,,,, yes? this is America’s team.
Look at these losers as they drink their own piss :]
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empirejim
And your name literally means “garbagebag”…
ny papi
I really hope all these deferrals blow up in their face in the future
seamaholic 2
They won’t. They are actually paying as they go, just into an escrow not to the player. Saves the team lux tax and the player income tax.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
That’s alot of money per year to play baseball.
phenomenalajs
This completes his trip through California in the NL West.
Drasco0366
“Not fair, not fair”- Gage Pet Semetary
tigerdoc616
With over 700 comments and counting so far, I am probably not going to say anything that has not yet been said. This is really more of the opening salvo of free agency, much more than the Angles signing Kikuchi. This will help set the market for the other free agent pitchers.
Dodgers are making heavy use of deferred money. I do wonder if other teams will start making use of it as well.
seamaholic 2
Deferrals are a very different proposition for a hedge fund owned team than one owned by a human being worried about eventually selling or giving it to their kid. Dodgers just did a $52m bonus. Not every team has that cash sitting around.
jeffreybecker77
wake me up when there’s a salary cap lmao
Smelly_Cobb
Sell out
splooz
At what point is it just not worth being a fan of the 26 or so teams that don’t really try?
seamaholic 2
Depends why you watch baseball. You’d be surprised how many fans don’t care that much if their team wins a ring. Sports are part of the entertainment industry. You don’t watch a movie just to see what happens at the end.
DTownWarrior97
This is an absolute JOKE! This “super team” junk is killing baseball! The fact that Otahni only counts $2M towards their CBT is a joke in itself, due to the fact that they get to continue to add talent to a roster that is already overflowing with bats and arms. If this kind of thing continues, people are going to start changing the channel.
Van Lingle Mungo
youtu.be/2Oy6DwHAi70?si=sapY8l6bz76QD1hD
JoeBrady
Not a Dodger fan, but:
1-Their current payroll would only rank #3 in 2024 behind both NY teams. So it isn’t high.
2-Ohtani counts as $46M against the CBT. You only missed by $44M.
3-The big market teams have been outspending the small market teams for hundreds of years.
Sideline Redwine
“hundreds of years”…it’s difficult to take anyone seriously when the foundation is hyperbole.
JoeBrady
Y’all need to develop a sense of humor. The fact is that deferrals have been around a long time, everyone can use them, they are fair, and they are simple.
Your 401k is an example of deferred salary.
mlbdodgerfan2015
They’re deferring $65mm over 5 years but they’re also paying a $52mm signing bonus. The NPV of about $160mm over 5 years is where MLBTR had for Snell. Other teams could have met or exceeded that amount.
JayRyder
The G’s were never going to spend this much. He was injured the first half. Then broke out the second. The Giants don’t have money to burn. And all the players want team up now for super teams. It’s LA NY and everybody else for now. Always has been to a degree but you still gotta win. Pitching and defense. Timely hitting. That’s what the Giants need. And a Great Bullpen. They’ll do it. !!! Band of Misfits anyone.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
At some point the roster will be full.
When they start dropping $35M/year contracts to add others because they can afford to, then I will complain.
Shrutefarm
Now, bring back Buehler and Treinen.
Niekro floater
So much venom. Somebody’s gota win. Go Dodgers !
DrDick
Remember the good old days when everybody accused the Yankees of trying to buy a championship…
2020vision
Here’s to the Blue Jays signing Soto to a 9 year, $450,000,000 contract with $400,000,000 deferred for 30 years, except for years when the Canadian dollar is worth more than the U.S. dollar. Obviously, I’m kidding. Here’s to the Dodgers throwing program preventing 10 to 15 starts from another expensive arm.
Smelly_Cobb
At least we know he’ll suck ass till July
Sideline Redwine
Gross. “Parity”. And don’t give me the “seventeen different teams have won the WS this century” or whatever…because what the LAD have done over the last two postseasons (as I assume the new Japanese stud pitcher is automatically LAD–even if international players should also be subject to a draft) is quite different.
It’s like college football. The fun is increasingly going away because of $$$. For the first time in I don’t know how long, I didn’t watch one inning of the WS, and there are many others. I guess we still have college baseball.
mlbdodgerfan2015
It’s nothing like college football. When is the last time the Dodgers won the WS? 2020 didn’t exist apparently. So 1988. How many baseball dynasties?
Baseball postseason is a huge unknown. All you can do is position your team for a deep run. That said, odds are very much against the Dodgers repeating in 2025 even though they’ll likely be the favorites.
ATinz
2024 ring a bell?
VegasMoved
“I didn’t watch one inning of the WS, and there are many others.”
You say of the highest rated World Series in years.
” I guess we still have college baseball.”
It’s funny you lament what NIL has done to college football, yet still say this. College baseball has seen a huge divide in rich and poor schools due to NIL. Entire conferences that once had national contenders have just about disappeared from relevance (RIP Big West).
stephaniebpetagno
Free money on the prediction league.
3 finger split
People who complain about the deferred money seem to forget that the player has to agree with the terms of the contract and if Snell sets himself up for income after he is done playing then that’s a smart move on his part.
Seamaholic
Oh it’s great for him. He’ll live in a no income tax state after the contract is over and completely avoid CA income tax on that $65m that is deferred. Plus $52m is up front, which he can invest. It’s a net positive for him, easily.
KnicksFanCavsFan
As a Yanks fan, I can get too upset about them not signing Snell. There are other positions we need to invest in more urgently than SP, where we have 6 viable pitchers under contract. Yes, Snell could really be the 1st or 2nd option on the Yanks staff. However, $160 mil (however you value the deferred money) is lot for an injury prone pitcher that has only pitched 130 innings or more once over the last 6 years. If I’m gambling on a recovery of a starter I’d rather do so with Severino or Walker B.
sax332n86
I think this probably closes the door on Buehler returning to LA. I was surprised to see them non-tender him, since his playoff performance will land him a contract somewhere. .
THEY LIVE!!!
I’d rather had a reunion with Buehler. But Snell is a proven stud.
empirejim
Buehler is a free agent. He was not non-tendered. As far as him coming back, I dont see the Snell deal killing that possibility. Until he signs elsewhere the Dodgers are still his only team.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Doesn’t kill it but highly unlikely. Dodgers have a lot of high quality SP options already. Even more so if they get Sasaki. I thought they could go Sasaki and Buehler, and avoid a big SP free agent signing but more than glad they got the top SP free agent option in Snell.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Nobody knows Buehler better than the Dodgers, so you have to trust their judgment if they decide to pass on him. I hope he does return, but I’;ll defer to Friedman’s judgment. on this one
atrox084
At this point it almost feels like they’re signing players just so no other team can sign them. It just sucks. Watching one team buy up any star that becomes available.
taran7
What’s missing in these comments? Oh, I know! Endless lame ass posts saying “they’ll still find a way to choke.”
Ha.
bkbk
You have too deep a relationship with a group of 20 something men that dont know you exist big dawg!
King123
How do people even remain Dodgers fans at this point? “Haha my owner has more money than yours.” It’s just a team full of mercenaries- ballplayers for hire.
Bivouac-Sal
Try the ChiSox or the A’s. They’ll make you feel good. I suffered through over 30 years without The Dodgers winning the ring. I am damn sure enjoying this team’s success. If you don’t think watching the best player in the game every day and the best roster is fun after years watching Rafael Bournigal, Andy Kosco, Joe Moeller, Mike Sharperson and Eddie Pye, well, too bad. And P.S. Dodgers only finished 5 games ahead of the Padres who almost beat the Dodgers in the playoffs. Exciting? You bet.
And exactly what professional sports team isn’t filled with “mercenaries”? It ain’t a hobby.
King123
Everyone is different of course, but I’ve always felt a sort of detachment watching free agent signees on my favorite (small market) team. I much prefer watching guys who came up through the system or were acquired in a mutually-beneficial trade or were scrap heap signings. I like to see an organization methodically craft a team and see the players grow and build rapport with each other.
Bivouac-Sal
I love a minor leaguer making his debut. Home grown Dodgers like Will Smith, Gavin Lux, Jsmes Otman, Andy Pages, Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May, the soon coming Daulton Rushing and Ryan Ward (if he’s not Rule 5’d), Sheehan, Bobby Miller, Michael Grove, Gavin Stone. I won’t belabor the point with trade acquisitions and still younger Dodger talent. Free agency is everywhere and has been since Dodger Andy Messersmith helped open the (Curt) Flood free agency gates in 1975. You’re welcome. 🙂
Coal tender
Its always the rich getting richer. No chance for a small market ball club to compete with the big monied teams..
larkraxm
I think that a lot of small market teams just dodged an expensive bullet. Plus, small market billionaires looking for sympathy is exhausting. Each team received nearly $200 million in revenue sharing and national revenues. 20 teams had a payroll that was less than the money they receive from the league. I say let the Mets spend $90 million on Scherzer and Verlander. How did that hurt the Milwaukee Brewers? Don’t save rich owners from themselves.
THEY LIVE!!!
The Dodgers can still sign Buehler as their closer. Dennis Eckersley comes to mind.
Acoss1331
Well, definitely got this signing wrong. I had Snell signing a deal to stay with the Giants. I’m 0 for 1 already!
norcalblue
Come on Anthony, this is just lazy reporting on your part. The player is getting an upfront loan in excess of $60 million. These “deferrals” of $13 million per year represent the player paying the team back for that loan. The amount of the contract is what it is. In this case, the Dodgers are not getting the benefit of a deferral. They’re providing the player with a front loaded contract. Probably the cost for waving, opt outs.
The narrative that you’re perpetuating seems designed to throw gasoline on the ignorance of conspiracy theorists, So be it. The bias of reporters on this website is beginning to look like the entertainment passing for news.
larkraxm
I’m not following your logic. All the money is being paid to the player. There is no loan. Players are smart to deffer money to guarantee income long past their playing days. I think lots of players see bobby Bonilla day and think that is a pretty good gig. Mike Tyson talks about spending $100 million on cars and parties and having nothing left to show for it. Maybe if he had differed some of that money, then he wouldn’t be fighting dudes half his age when he should be retired on his earnings.
norcalblue
Say what lark? By definition, a deferral represents a delayed payment. In this case, the the team is not delaying its annual payments to the player. To the contrary, the player is receiving an advance on his salary. I’ve called it a loan (or front loaded compensation). The players payments are being reduced each year in order to pay for this advance. What would you call it? What it most certainly is not, is a deferral. The Dodgers, to my knowledge, will be making no payments to Mr. Snell after his five-year contract has expired. That’s sir would be a deferred compensation. That is what was negotiated by Mr. Ohtani with the Dodgers a year ago. Can we just be clear about the facts?
Shrutefarm
What money is Snell paying back?
larkraxm
Every contract is “deferred” in that way. The Yankees signed Aaron Judge to a 9 year $360 million contract, but he does not get a money order for $360 million from the Yankees when he signs his contract. It is paid out over a predetermined amount of time. I assume some sort of weekly or bi-weekly payroll check. Everything I am reading is saying they are deferring money owed Blake Snell past the length of the 5-year contract. If that is not the case, and Blake Snell will receive the entirety of the contract in five years, then why is every sports media outlet reporting a deferral? I agree that if, in fact, Snell gets every penny from the Dodgers in five years time, no money was differed. That is not what is being reported.
Seamaholic
HUGE difference in tax treatment.
Seamaholic
No this isn’t quite true. The reason Snell was willing to take the deferrals were two-fold (and the second is very important). First is because he got the $52m bonus, yes. But the other is he can move to a no-tax state and never pay state income tax on the deferred money. That’s a huge benefit (CA state income tax is 12%, which is a cool $8m in tax benefits).
larkraxm
I’m pretty sure that you are taxed in the state from which income is received, and the state in which you reside. According to Tax Slayer, “If you earn income in one state while living in another, you should expect to file a tax return for the state where you are living (your “resident” state). You may also be required to file a state tax return where your employer is located or any state where you have a source of income. Some states have an agreement that says workers who live out of state only have to file in the state where they live. These states have what is known as a reciprocal tax agreement or reciprocity. If your work state and home state do not have reciprocity, you should expect to file two state tax returns: one as a resident for the state where you are living, and one as a nonresident for the state where you work. Being a nonresident means you have not lived in a state where you earn income for any part of the year”.
bruinlife33
To me, this says Snell over Flaherty.
hoof hearted
Great stuff- when he’s on- no doubt about that.
over his career he avg 5.09inn/ start.
’19-21 avg less than 5inn/ start. It was more like 4.5inn/st.
just sayin
JackStrawb
So what? 2022-2024 Snell has averaged 5.42 IP per start, while the average MLB start is 5.20 IP. His ERA for those three years was 2.82. And you’re complaining? Why? (Who cares what he did as a 23 year old in 2016? It has zero relevance.)
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I think he was the best on the market. They made their decision and snatched him up.
Gotta admire that.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
You gotta stark thinking six-man rotation. 130-150 innings of Snell fits right in.
buya
I bet within that 5 years he’ll have tommy john or shoulder injury.An Dodgers history to their pitchers.
desertdawg
I think the Dodgers should just sign every top FA they want to win so bad that the heck with the rest of MLB they want to win every year just sign every top FA’s no matter what till they get a 26-man roster of every top player spend until it hurts so the Dodgers can go 162-0. It is said that the Dodgers have an endless money vault prove it then, MLB will not stop them, and we all know the union will be happy. Here is hoping they sign Soto, Burnes, Fried spend that money payroll of 600 million is what baseball needs.
formerlyz
I’ve never been a fan of giving 5 years to a pitcher, but 5 years for Blake Snell specifically seems like an interesting decision; I guess those arent really things that effect the Dodgers though, so makes sense…
RockinRobin
I will be the odd ball here: no way would I have spent that on Snell.
He’s barely an average pitcher for 7 of his 9 seasons. Granted, 2 really outstanding seasons. Not that much money is worth it for 1 in 5 seasons.
But, it’s the Dodgers. Money doesn’t mean much.
DCDude2007
Exactly, which is the reason they went after Snell.
hoof hearted
@Rock- agree. Snell has periods of dominance, but periods of NOT. To me it dosnt = 36M. But its the Dodger way these days.
DCDude2007
Oh Lord, the Dodgers can’t seem to stop with the money!!!
On paper though, this is a great signing for the LA Dodgers, and I knew they could sneak up in free agency on a guy like Snell.
Watch the Dodgers control the NL West for the next few decades.
JackStrawb
It’s impressive that with all their pitching injuries they’re going for highest peak rather than someone like Burnes and his 193+ IP / season over the past 3 years.
DCDude2007
True, Burnes is more durable than Snell, but IMO the Dodgers already have a plethora of pitchers. Is it possible that Dustin May, Bobby Miller, etc. could be converted to bullpen arms or potentially dangled as trade pieces?
desertdawg
Thinking outside the box I would like to see franchises be placed in a division by what your yearly payroll cost is. You could have 4 divisions. If your payroll is under 100mil you’re in that division, then if your 101 to 150 mil you’re in another division, then you go from 151 to 200, and from 200 to whatever you want. Then it would change every year depending on what your team’s payroll would be. You would then get rid what they have now, which is stagnant. Go by your team payroll see where you stand. Who knows you could get the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets all in one division.
Bivouac-Sal
Great idea to have teams 2800 miles apart in the same division so they can spend their time flying cross country a few more times each season. That might wear them down enough so the desertdawg team can win a few more games. The rest of your proposal is even more insane. But you get points for originality.
rave323
Deferments should be illegal in all sports. This is not good for the sport. Hard cap.
Seamaholic
Hard caps are just pure money in the pockets of owners. Soft caps make a lot of sense, but this “no cap” situation we have now is untenable. You could work around the edges and turn the lux tax into a soft cap pretty easily. Jack up the penalties even more (especially draft and international bonus penalties), and count deferrals as regular income regardless of the inflation discount. That’s a good start. And my personal favorite: Start counting front office expenses in lux tax calculations. One of the underrated massive advantages the rich teams have is they have armies of front office, scouting, and analytics staff, whom they pay more than the other teams.
Do all that and avoid a hard cap, and maybe MLBPA will push for a payroll floor and make that happen.
JoeBrady
Why are deferrals bad for the sport? It’s like the player is loaning money to the team for 4.3% interest.
hoof hearted
best reason deferrals are not good- Bobby Bonilla anyone?
Enrico Pallazzo
If your team is able to sign some guys with deferrals I bet you’d like it. It’s the players being unselfish to help the team win. God forbid an ownership group and players actually try to win. Sorry you root for one of the teams owned by someone with no interest in fielding a good team
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
I wanna make sure I got this right:
If the Dodgers invest in their team to generate more wins, then they are greedy.
If the Dodgers invest in their team but don’t win the World Series, they are chokers.
If they invest in the team and do win the World Series, then they are unfairly buying championships.
The 2020 World Series Championship didn’t count because of Covid.
The 1981 World Series Championship didn’t count because it was a players strike year.
Did I miss anything?
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Bivouac-Sal
Rickey,
Wait for Mickey Solis. He will have items to add. But good start.
mkeving
Yeah why cheer for a team that actually tries and puts the money toward the team? Much better to cheer for a team with an owner that wants to become more of a billionaire.
snowyphile1
Not a good signing.
maxmilna
Jealous
Indianfan
Somebody in Lala Land has to be just plain clueless to sign a 31-year-old pitcher with a history of multiple injuries to a 5-year contract.
maxmilna
Lmao…..he won a cy young 2 years ago and he was the best pitcher in baseball last year after the half. Glad you aren’t in charge of any teams.
runningwithnailclippers
Most of the real Dodger fans don’t act like their blue poo doesn’t stink, unlike the majority of these bandwagon Dodger fans that leave troll comments here. I am a Reds fan and have been forever. I won’t sellout and bandwagon to the team with the biggest pursestrings. This doesn’t mean I wish angst towards real Dodger fans. I am happy for you guys.
I look at my Reds and think they will have a pretty awesome rotation in a couple years with Greene, Lowder, Burns at the top of it, etc. Plus they are spending a bit (and they should spend more!). Smaller market teams just need to spend wisely (No Canderlerios), draft with a plan, and trade precisely.
larkraxm
Well said! Spending does not always equal winning. Just because you give Danny Tartabull a huge contract doesn’t mean that they give you a WS trophy. The more money the Mets sink into Verlander and Scherzer, the better it is for small market clubs.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
When the Reds sweep the Dodgers with a bunch of guys on the IL in a meaningless mid-season series at Great American at the end of July, you can celebrate again like you guys won the World Series. Solace, man….
hoof hearted
Time will tell IF this was a good deal
runningwithnailclippers
Honestly, I just wish MLB would ban stupid dance moves when you hit a single or double. Not sure whose is worse, the Mets or the Dodgers? I am not against celebrating, but come on man. I get it for a homerun or a big strikeout to end the game, but showboating is getting redundant.
*Gets down from his cranky old man soapbox and falls over*
Bivouac-Sal
At least you are focusing on the important aspects of the game and life itself.
runningwithnailclippers
Just tired of reading about how much money the Blue Crew spend. Sometimes it’s nice to goof around.
Bivouac-Sal
exactly why they dance…but I get where you’re coming from. peace bro.
Skruf
I’m surprised that Boras even ALLOWED this! lol
The Saber-toothed Superfife
You.gotta.admire,.theynwent.out.and.grabbed the best guy
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The Saber-toothed Superfife
Decisive and determined. No.screwing around
Got their guy.
radhippo
MLB is turning into the WWE…..
Doyers will have Soto, burnes, and Sasaki next
Moneyballer
Ask the Giants if they got their moneys worth last season. It was a total disaster for most of the year! He was a big reason the giants never contended in the first half and was too little too late in the second half.
energel
this is getting out of control
Bivouac-Sal
Get used to it. Dodgers not close to done this off season.
fox471 Dave
Why “out of control?” The Dodgers signed one free agent. ONE!
DroppedThirdStrike
They also extended their utility infielder. No other team has the capability to do both.
energel
The last two offseason the Dodgers have spent over one billion dollars. OVER ONE BILLION!
LLGiants64
Snell showed who he was when he decided not to pitch his last turn in the 2024 season. My loose calculation has him taking about 800,000 more money than he earned for the season.
Great pitcher. Glad he is not a Giant.
Bivouac-Sal
Most players are glad they are not Giants
kidfavre4
Bet he doesn’t make 30 starts over the entire contract.
PrincessYuki
If the Mets sign Soto I’d say the Mets will be the favorites in the NL.
DarrenDreifortsContract
lol
Bivouac-Sal
Hahahaha
TB Sox NY
I am going to send some money to the Dodgers so they can afford to pay a contract without deferrals.Anybody want to set up a Go Fund me for them.
BronxBombers23
Ohtani-Snell-Glasnow-Yamamoto-Kerhsaw… this is probably the most talented and injury prone rotation of all time.
derail76
Everybody talking about deferrals and a salary cap, while completely ignoring the risks involved. They have one starting pitcher that broke 140 innings last year, Gavin Stone, who’s not even expected to play in ‘25. Betts and Freeman get a year older, and their $700 million dollar guy is coming off TJS and now a shoulder surgery as well. This has every chance of going very wrong.
Can every MLB team do what the Dodgers are doing? No, absolutely not. Not every team sells tickets (home and away), merchandise, has a monstrous tv deal, or plays in a major market like the Dodgers do. The Dodgers doing all of these things while the owners pocket the extra cash is bad for baseball. As a Dodgers fan, I’m beyond thankful that this is not the case. The small market teams can’t function without the revenue sharing that they get from the CBT without the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets or any other CBT offender. The Dodgers spending money, however they do it, is good for baseball. The smart teams will just have to find a way to beat them. The Padres just almost did, and for the two WS wins in the last 12 or 13 years or whatever it is, there’s still plenty of smart teams out there.
cooperhill
Old news. Why is this on here pretending it’s news?
Bivouac-Sal
Why are you here?
highflyballintorightfield
1069 comments. Those who are tired of Dodgers news better get used to it, because they generate gold-plated click$ for MLBTR.
poppopts
“Paying the NL MVP a $2MM salary for the next nine seasons…” is a travesty, and Major League Baseball should be ashamed of themselves. Small market teams don’t have a chance. It’s no wonder the owners of small market teams don’t invest in players.
CardsFan57
They are paying him an average of $46 million per year over the next 9 years. All but $2 million is going into a trust fund. It will yield an average of $70 million per year as it matures and gathers interest.
I saw another poster say the deferrals aren’t the issue. It’s the fact that only a handful of teams can afford a $300 million payroll that’s an issue. I agree with that.
fox471 Dave
HE is being paid! The money, minus $2 million, goes into an escrow account to be paid out in nine years, at $68million a year for ten years.
CardsFan57
When they are all healthy, that’s one of the best rotations I’ve seen top to bottom.
Skruf
My GOD! I click on this story in the app and there’s over 1000 comments. And about 95% of them are negative (albeit I only read about 300). Haters are gonna hate. Every single team in MLB has the same ability to go over the LT threshold. Every single team can defer money. Yes, even the small market teams. Their OWNERS choose not to. The Yankees, the Mets, the Giants, the Blue Jays, the Guardians, the Padres and even the Royals can do the same exact thing. THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.
How about trying it once or twice and grab a few Superstars! Then maybe other Superstars will want to sign with your team and the revenue will start pouring in.
It’s so funny because, all of the sudden the Los Angeles Dodgers have become the Evil Empire! The New York Yankees will never live that down. They will always be the Evil Empire just ask any Dodgers fan! C’MON MAN!! Quit your whining and maybe post all of your displeasure on your Team’s webpages! That might make more of a difference than complaining about it here!
fox471 Dave
Well said but you are wasting time and oxygen. When it comes to the Dodgers, logic has no place to rest its weary head.
Mickey Solis
How many times is this site going to bump this article to the top and rub it in people’s faces that this scumbag greedy team has ruined the sport?
DroppedThirdStrike
Forever. Just for you
Mickey Solis
First generation LA native at best. Defending the “honor” of your beloved team. I could see you being from somewhere completely random but your dad liked them so now you troll people who rightfully hate the Dodgers because of all the “hard” years I’m sure you were alive for when Frank McCourt owned the team.
Bivouac-Sal
seek help for your meaningless anger Mickey
DroppedThirdStrike
Good guess, my dad grew up in San Fernando, I was born in Fresno and grew up watching Garvey, Lopes, Russell, Guerrero, Baker, Cey, Landreaux, et al.
4 World Series in 45+ years watching. I’ve put my time in.
Long enough to know that dynasties don’t last forever, no matter how much we want them to.
I don’t go around trolling very often but your incessant crying is too big a target to ignore forever.
Sit down, do some meditation, your “participation trophy” team will come around eventually. Even the White Sox have a World Series this century.
TheFamousMrKing
Why do you say you “rightfully” hate the Dodgers? Like the right thing to do is hate them, or that it’s in your rights to hate things? Going off of various comments I see everywhere about the same thing, let me see if I understand your position: you hate them because the signed free agents who should have signed some place else, and the Dodgers deferred payments so they can sign more players, and that bothers you even more because they’re able to offer players money? Like it’s not fair to other teams like…well, like who?
It’s weird that people like you get mad about this. The Dodgers have a robust farm system, they have a reputation for taking on reclamation projects and “dumpster diving”, and they spend wisely in free agency. They don’t just buy players, and they’ve spent a lot of time and money making the franchise one of the most desirable destinations in MLB. It’s not always just about the money, right? What team do you think the Dodgers should be modeling themselves after?
Everyone seems to argue that how the Dodgers operate is bad for baseball as a whole, but it seems to me that the Dodgers are raising the floor, and that that is good for baseball. Other teams should be stepping up, not whining that the status quo is changing.
Look at the Padres, for example: they were a joke of a team, the front office hired Preller who started making more aggressive and clever moves to compete with the Dodgers. And he’s been pretty successful and revived a franchise, and came pretty close to knocking the Dodgers out in the NLDS. The Padres are a legit team who have earned respect, and I don’t think that would have happened if they were in a different division.
I don’t mind you hating the Dodgers, but I don’t really get why. I hate the Giants because they’re the Giants and they’re all bad people (I’m joking, but you lose your Dodgers fan card if you don’t blindly hate the Giants), and I hate the Padres because of Machado and Tatis and that they’re a really good team. But I wouldn’t hate them because they’re using every resource they have to beat us. It just seems like you’re just jumping on the same tired narrative other fans do.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong and you’ve got some really good points to make.
Victory Faust
The Dodgers television contract alone gives them 320 million per year (nearly 100 million over the “cap”). Small market teams function as mere farm systems for teams like this. Could easily see Dodgers signing Soto, Snell, and Fried, Ohtani and Yamamoto could convince Sasaki to join them. Dodgers could trade for Nolan Arenado and/or Brandon Lowe. Could they even possibly pay John Sherman under the table to pry Bobby Witt loose from Kansas City? Ridiculous.