In a recent appearance on ESPN’s Baseball Tonight podcast, Astros GM Dana Brown said the club had been in contact with free agent right-hander Justin Verlander about a possible reunion. “We’ve had conversations with his agent [ISE’s Mark Pieper] just to try to feel him out. I don’t know if there’s been a lot of progress, but we’re having conversations,” Brown said.
Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t sound like either side is quite ready to make a move this relatively early in the offseason. As Brown noted earlier in the podcast, the Astros’ top priority at the moment is trying to re-sign Alex Bregman. That high-profile pursuit is taking much of the team’s focus, even if Brown noted that the club is doing its due diligence on other potential moves (such as finding another third baseman) as well.
“If [Verlander] continues to work and he’s healthy, it’s going to be interesting to see where he goes and how much he gets. But I’m sure there will be a bunch of teams calling the agent,” Brown said. This is perhaps reading too much into wording, but Brown’s phrasing almost seemed to imply more of an arm’s length approach, as if the Astros were more curious spectators to Verlander’s market than active participants.
Verlander turns 42 in February, but he made it clear following the season that he wanted to return in 2025, and rebound from an injury-marred 2024 campaign. The right-hander was limited to 90 1/3 innings due to a pair of injured-list stints prompted by shoulder injury and then neck discomfort. The latter injury was particularly troublesome, as Verlander missed about 2.5 months due his neck issue and didn’t pitch well after he returned, leaving him feeling like he probably tried to come back too quickly. The end result was a 5.48 ERA, the highest of Verlander’s career apart from the 7.11 ERA he posted over an 11 1/3-inning sample size in his very first Major League season in 2005.
It was just two seasons ago that Verlander won his third AL Cy Young Award, and in 2023, Verlander was still solid with a 3.22 ERA over 162 1/3 innings with the Mets and Astros. A case can certainly be made that Verlander has more to contribute if healthy, and the righty has already defied Father Time once by delivering that last Cy Young campaigns after a Tommy John surgery cost him virtually all of the 2020-21 seasons.
That said, nobody would be surprised if age and injuries simply caught up to Verlander, and 2023 was really his last hurrah as a productive starting pitcher. As Brown noted, Verlander’s track record alone will lead to interest from multiple teams, but is understandable if the Astros were ready to move on rather than risk being left holding the bag if Verlander declined further.
Framber Valdez, Hunter Brown, Ronel Blanco, and Spencer Arrighetti are lined up as the top four of Houston’s rotation, and the in-house candidates for the fifth starter’s role all come with big health-related question marks. Lance McCullers Jr. has missed the last two seasons due to injuries, Luis Garcia hasn’t pitched since May 2023 due to a Tommy John surgery and a couple of setbacks, J.P. France missed most of 2024 due to shoulder surgery, and Cristian Javier had a TJ surgery last June and isn’t guaranteed to pitch at all in 2025. Adding a reliable veteran arm to the mix certainly makes sense for Houston, though Verlander might not fit the bill given his own health status.
TheGr8One
First team to offer him 2 years wins. He knows he’s about to sign his last contract
Goku the Knowledgable One
No one’s giving him 2 years bud
Astros are a perfect fit as a low risk SP5 innings eater
Albert Belle's corked bat
2 years @ 42, the injuries and lack of production? I bet you are about to file bankruptcy, the way you spend money.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
42 mil??? For a 42 year old starter???
JV isn’t coming off a cy young this time around, he’s looking at Paul Goldschmidt money so 1 year 10 mil
Albert Belle's corked bat
I meant 2 years at 42 years old, not 42 mil
Old York
What type of conversation?
CardsFan57
Asking him if he’s willing to try working out of the bullpen.
LGM!
Ala John Smoltz & Eck. Why not? Toss 3-4 innings per week as a closer or set up guy.
Albert Belle's corked bat
Verlander will never agree to toss 3-4 innings per week or be summoned to the bullpen.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The reason verlander is still pitching is to be the last starter ever to get 300 wins
Tigers3232
@sad I think him and Scherzer both trying to entrenched themselves in top 10 All Time Ks. Right now only 1 of them makes list. They both can quote reasonably end up 7th and 8th. That allows a bit of a cushion as well for those who might one day join the ranks of the top 10.
I do think he was eyeing 300. But that might ve slipped away the last 2 seasons.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Sadly he won’t get another 20 win season to shorten the gap but if he pitches 4 seasons of 10 wins then he’s got it
davengmusic
Whyyyyyyyy?????
johncoltrane
42 yrs old, coming off the worst season of his career, whats he got left to prove?? just go on vacation with your supermodel wife and wait for the HOF call . he is 1st ballot
LordD99
He loves the competition. That never goes away. He doesn’t want to walk away on such a clunker. Decent chance he rebounds some from 2024, but peak Verlander is in the rear view mirror.
johncoltrane
i love that type of player who always grinds his way to victory. his comeback from TJ was epic. but if i were him i’d never wanna leave kate hahaha i’d spend all day at home….
also he doesnt have to walk away from the game completely, im sure he could be a pitching coach somewhere
LongTimeFan1
@johncoltrane
It’s your perception he wants to pitch because he has something left to prove. I doubt that’s his motivation. He’s a self-motivated professional, comfortable in his skin. He loves to pitch and compete. At 42, he remains willing to put himself through the physical and mental ardor of pitching in the majors because he wants to do it rather than being driven by inadequacy. Nolan Ryan and Bartolo Colon are examples of similar.
Johnny Devil
Verlander joins a long line of guys who wouldn’t read the writing on the wall. Nothing left in the tank. Kershaw is about to join those ranks. Sad.
metsin4
Long life to just sit around at home at 42.
LongTimeFan1
@metsin4,
As long as he’s healthy and effective, and has the support of his family to continue, he gets to choose what he wants to do. Some players hang it up in their 30’s or early 40’s to be a more active parent and/or partner even though they have more in the tank and drive.
Johnny Devil
He’s neither.
Tigers3232
Him and Scherzer are nose and nose for 10th all time in Ks. I don’t see either leaving til they surpass Johnson and Perry. Sutton is not far ahead of them either. They have a good shot of ending 7th and 8th all time. Verlander has spoke of the history of the game on numerous occasions so I don’t see him not eyeing this.
The reason him and Scherzer will go in on their first ballots is the very reason they still want to pitch. They are both competitors as someone else mentioned here. As well as love of the game. If he can add some value to a team and be a positive veteran presence for young pitchers, he can still add value for another season or 2.
rct
It’s a long shot, but 300 wins is sort of within reach. He would likely be the last pitcher to ever do it. 262 wins now. For comparison’s sake, Randy Johnson had a 5.00 ERA in his age 42 season and ended it with 280 wins. Pitched three more years to get to 300. Wouldn’t be surprised if Verlander has that in the back of his mind. If he comes out in 2025 and stinks or injures himself, he’ll probably retire. But if he pitches well and gets 10-12 wins, I bet he pushes himself.
Tigers3232
@rct I definitely think he’s cognizant of 300. The last 2 seasons tho probably were where that’s gotten a bit hard to attain. I agree tho if he pitches well and puts himself within reach I to think it ll motivate him to keep going.
Albert Belle's corked bat
I dunno if his wife wants to go on vacation with him. Did you see her cryptic post on X last week? TMZ even reported on it.
Tigers3232
No I haven’t seen the post. But at end of day if a woman can’t stand by as a man fulfills his dreams that’s a point where one has to possibly rethink things.
The guy can’t pitch a few years retire under the age of 45 with wealth most could only dream of. I’d say at end of day she ll support him if it means that much to him. I’m sure they ve been on plenty of decent vacations throughout his career.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
JV is like Tom Brady, there is no such thing as enough baseball
JV will do anything possible to get 300 wins even divorce probably
Tigers3232
In Brady’s case divorce was coming anyways. His wife was getting plowed by tennis instructor. If a woman can’t stand by as a man chases his dreams, goals, passion, etc.. then maye she’s not the one. These guys still do or will retire long before most can dream of. And very few can even conceive having their wealth.
Tigers3232
For Brady it most ve been so satisfying as she got curb stomped at his roast. He raked in a ton of $ and he got barbed a bit, but she took the biggest shots. I found it a poetic bit of karma for that cheating wh@$#.
johncoltrane
I’d love to see JV reach 300 bec he’ll be the last to ever do it. But he needs 38 wins. He’d have to play 3-4 more healthy yrs to get there. I dont see it happening
Damn_Yankees
Well at least his rotary phone won’t lose service during discussions.
Blue Baron
Damn_Yankees: What a dumb “joke,” if you can even call it that. Even people twice his age don’t use rotary phones.
Old York
@Blue Baron
I still have mine. Work great. Better than the new-fangled junk they sell nowadays!
laynestaley2002
You still have a landline? You do you realize it’s 2024, right?
Damn_Yankees
Why are you so mad, blue? Is it because of red?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Crane can’t quit JV.
MPrck
Verlander owes them Come back on a club friendly deal, and go for being the last 300 game winner.
walls17
He has 262 wins. How the heck is he gonna get to 300?
Pete'sView
Not likely that he will, but I’ll bet he won’t completely embarrass himself in 2025. If Giants don’t sign a top of rotation guy, I could see them bringing Verlander in for one last season like they did with Randy Johnson.
And he’d be a great mentor to all those young, excellent Giant arms.
LordD99
By winning 38 more games?
Metsfan2006
After his age 41 season Randy Johnson had 263 wins. So it is possible lol
Blue Baron
Verlander doesn’t owe anyone anything. He fulfilled his part of the contract, which nobody forced the Astros to sign.
geofft
Just crossing some “t”s here: the Astros didn’t sign the contract, they traded for him. That said, they knew the terms when they made the deal.
The debate is: with Verlander not pitching enough innings to trigger the vesting option on 2025, did the Stros get off easy? Or did they want him to A) be healthy enough as it wouldve helped them, win, AND the Mets would’ve been paying half of that salary? Or did the Stros not want to pay the other half at $17.5 million?
Blue Baron
The Astros and Mets both lucked out.
WSnotAstros2017
If Verlander is indeed a hope for Houston with Lance McCullers Jr. Still injury issue. Has not pitched and I mean pitched strong since WS in 2017.
We had short seasons with Covid and then after that he was hurt and briefly pitched in 2022 and was ok during regular season part but not great
The WS game he pitched was definitely not great. Luis Garcia injury issues, France and Javier lucky if may pitch this season ahead. They dumped Urquidy so do need some help there.
Third base is a big issue. First may go with Singleton again and Caratini.
Outfield myself Chas and Meyers is not good. Neither is a blockbuster. Chas stunk last season maybe a change of scenery would have done him good. Meyers is a closer for the 9th as he only has D to help him. Started last season great first 2 or 3 months then flopped the rest.
Whether keep Tucker beyond this upcoming season is anyone’s guess. But probably won’t be much activity till next year. IF lucky anything happens with teams during winter meetings and such even.
Probably when Soto signs, maybe more will fall. Then rest after holidays.
Of names really Snell, Soto and Bregman are ones really hearing on or teams having talked too. Bregman don’t think they have talked to other teams just to get a feel.
Verlander will NOT come out of bullpen but maybe a one year deal with heavy on incentives or such. I do not think Verlander has much left. Like it said maybe 2023 was his last good year.
Like with Brantley they brought him back too soon after his shoulder surgery and he had nothing so retired. Verlander at 42 not sure what he has left. Even Scherzer I think he is 40 and he was injury prone last season. Is that a sign for him.
But I hope something perhaps happens soon one way or the other as far as Bregman. Who they use to replace him unsure
Red Wings
Tigers should have interest if the price is right
Motor City Beach Bum
Agree. Finishing off his career in Detroit just seems right.
Dtownwarrior78
Love to see him comeback to Detroit for a last few seasons. Would be cool to see him in the Old English D once again
Motor City Beach Bum
My money is on Detroit signing him.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
I can tell you this he will only go to big market so Houston, Yankees, Dodgers , Red Sox
mad1
Verlander retired about 8 years ago, right?
kingbum
Verlander is perfect for a team with young pitching in the minors that’s a year away. I wouldn’t do the deal if I was Houston, but a Kansas City or Tampa? Two teams that could contend but still has youth maybe a year or two away from being impactful. Teams that could use a veteran leader to teach young pitchers how to grind.