The Padres find themselves in an unfamiliar position. San Diego could be on the lookout for a shortstop despite their affinity for collecting players with experience at the position. Most of those players (i.e. Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr., Xander Bogaerts, Jackson Merrill and Jake Cronenworth) moved off shortstop. Ha-Seong Kim will be a free agent when he declines his end of a mutual option in favor of a $2MM buyout. Kim is among the most difficult free agents to project after his season was cut short by a labrum injury that required surgery.
San Diego baseball operations president A.J. Preller addressed the position as part of a conference call with reporters on Monday (links via AJ Cassavell of MLB.com and Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune). Preller said the Padres “would love to bring (Kim) back” but acknowledged the uncertain timeline on his injury.
The Union-Tribune’s Kevin Acee wrote a few weeks ago that Kim was aiming for a return in April or May. Preller left the situation more open-ended. The executive noted that Kim isn’t slated to begin a throwing program until close to the start of the season. As for a return to game action, Preller loosely floated “May, June, July” as viable outcomes.
It’s clearly too early in the rehab process for the Padres to narrow down a specific target. That uncertainty should all but close the book on the chance of San Diego issuing Kim a qualifying offer. The 29-year-old infielder would probably accept a $21.05MM salary, which is too much for the Padres to risk with Kim looking very likely to at least begin the season on the injured list.
Preller and his staff also face notable free agent losses in the bullpen (Tanner Scott), left field (Jurickson Profar) and behind the plate (Kyle Higashioka). The relief group should be strong enough to weather Scott’s departure, but the Padres will need to address a few spots in the lineup while also finding a replacement for the injured Joe Musgrove in the rotation. That could make it difficult to retain Kim.
Even if the Padres were to bring him back, they’d need a short-term replacement while he completes his rehab. If he walks, they’ll need a permanent answer. Bogaerts moved back from second base for the stretch run. The Padres seem to prefer him at the keystone, though they might not have any better options at shortstop.
Machado and Cronenworth haven’t played there in years. Nor has Tatis, who has been a full-time right fielder since returning from the injuries and suspension that wiped out his 2022 season. Merrill developed as a shortstop prospect before learning center field on the fly. The 21-year-old immediately became one of the sport’s top all-around center fielders.
Preller didn’t seem keen on the idea of moving Tatis or Merrill back to the infield. “They’d probably love that possibility. They always joke around — ’Whatever’s needed,’” the baseball ops president said. “The great part of those guys is they’re talented athletes, they can play different spots. … But Tati winning the Platinum [Glove] two years ago, and Jackson doing a tremendous job in center field this year, we know that they’re really good at what they do in the outfield.”
There hasn’t been much serious discussion about Tatis moving back to shortstop. It’s a plausible scenario for Merrill, who only moved off shortstop in deference to Kim and seems as if he can comfortably adjust to whatever position the Padres ask of him. Yet as Preller noted, it’s tempting to leave Merrill in center field with how well he played this year. San Diego doesn’t have an obvious in-house candidate to take over in center if Merrill were to come back onto the infield. They’d probably need to acquire a center fielder and the free agent market at the position is extremely thin. It’s not much deeper at shortstop, where only Willy Adames and Kim, if healthy, profile as regulars.
Rally Goose
What’s wrong with Xander at short?
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
His range got noticeably worse last year. Definitely more of a 2nd baseman at this point.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ron – You are correct, it did get worse last year at SS.
However this year it greatly improved, even with the shoulder injury.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…
With that said, he had the 6th-best 2B range in MLB this year (min 700 innings) so I agree he should probably stay at 2B if possible.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Because he is not very good at it.
stymeedone
XB in his best year defensively was barely average, and he only managed that once. He should have never been played there, once he got his money. It’s much easier to find a CF than a SS. Merrill would be a long term solution at SS. Tatis may not be the force in CF as he is in RF, but corner OF with a bat are easier to find. As to Profar, SD just got his career year at a bargain rate. Wave goodbye if he wants to be paid like that was his norm.
Simm
I don’t see them moving Merrill. I think they will either trade for a shortstop or let Xander do it for another season. They just need to buy a year or so until DeVries is up playing shortstop.
It’s not easy to find a CF that actually hits.
Fever Pitch Guy
stymee – Sorry I will not allow revisionist history to be used as a way to bash yet another former Red Sox player.
You don’t become a 2-time Gold Glove finalist by being “barely average”. Xander was a GG finalist in 2015 and 2022.
rememberthecoop
A “fineslist” 9 and 2 years ago. Things that make you go hmm. It is, after all, a 90’s Renaissance they say…
Fever Pitch Guy
coop – You think 2022 is a long time ago? Well alrighty then …. and I suppose having a season-long wrist injury in 2023 and the shoulder injury this year were not factors in anything, right? Hmmm …..
yodarob21
Eric Hosmer won 4, count them 4 gold gloves while having multiple bricks in the webbing of his glove. So being a GG finalist means very little. XB is sure handed but lacks range, period. He is the fourth best (Tatis-more range+stronger arm, Merrill-more range+stronger arm, Crone-more sure handed+stronger arm) SS option under contract in 25, but he’ll be playing there next year.
Fever Pitch Guy
yoda – I decided to look at the defensive numbers.
Hosmer led the league in DRS in 2015.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=al&ind=…
I fully agree with your description of Xander as surehanded but lacking in range. What I think you fail to realize is GG isn’t necessarily based on superb fielding, it’s based on who are the best 3 fielders at any given position in either league.
So if Xander is rated as sightly above average, and all but two of the other candidates are rated as average or worse, then yeah Xander deserves a nomination.
Just yesterday I pointed out elsewhere that Soto deserves a nomination this year, not because he was great in the field but because he was better than every other candidate except Abreu and Adell (min 900 innings).
stymeedone
Please tell me the stringent requirements for being a gold glove finalist. Niko Goodrum was once a finalist for SS when he played for Detroit, and a statistically terrible Jeter won the award a few times. I truly feel they just throw Names the public knows into the mix, or a player from every team, so no one get omitted. I don’t doubt that Bryce Harper played well at 1B, but to convince me he is one of the best on his first year at the position is a stretch. I’ll wait for the fielding bible awards. When they add fan voting to the platinum glove, it just becomes a farce.
Fever Pitch Guy
stymee – As with anything related to voting, it won’t always be perfect because of the human element. Statistics should be considered but not be relied upon as the sole determining factor in any award.
Again you really have to keep in mind there’s often very little competition, especially these days with so many players being cycled in and out of different positions.
Do I think Soto is a great RF? Absolutely not. But when looking at the list of qualifying RF’ers, he deserves the nomination.
I’ll end with one of my favorite quotes …..
“In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king”
elmariachimike
You’re correct: he had two good defensive years (so long as you only look at GG voting, RF, FP) with Boston and seven not-good defensive years with Boston.
RShore05
You’re 100% correct about Profar. 2024 was and will be the best season of his career. Profar will be looking to make a lot more money than he’s going to be worth performance wise. The Padres should say “thanks, but no thanks.
stpofsd
I believe Jr could be a good cf. why wouldn’t he be a consideration there if Merrill moved back to ss?
padrepapi
Tatis could definitely be a good CF. That said I think Merrill is more special as a CF then as a SS so I wouldn’t think about moving him back. Having two outfielders that can cover as much ground as these two can is a gift to the team. Love Tatis’ arm for RF.
Not the sexiest outcome, but Boegarts at SS and Eguy Rosario getting lots of action at 2b could be a cheap way to fill out the infield for next season.
I really like Rosario and hope they find him 300-400 PA’s in a season soon as I think he could be an above average 2b with an OPS around .750 and potentially higher in his best years.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Completely agree.i see him as a 20/20 guy with 450 abs..
Longtimecoming
Rosario at 2b or even McCoy at SS will likely be current scenarios for entering ST. Maybe they work out a 1 year deal with Kim – give him the 2 buyout AND the 8 option, maybe?
I think Preller will take a shot at Adames but not high probability of signing him because of other needs.
Fall back on Bog at SS if that’s what is needed.
Focus on LF, C and a 3/4 guy in rotation.
Pads Fans
Tatis has the speed to play CF but why move Tatis and Merrill around. They both excelled defensively and the Padres have a guy that from 2021 to 2023 had put up 4.4 to 5.9 WAR at SS and was hurt most of last season. Just play Bogaerts at SS and use your resources ($$ and prospects) to get a starting pitcher, a catcher, and to re-sign bench guys like Solano and Peralta. Maybe go get a utility player with a better bat than Wade.
I really like Rosario’s game overall. He can hit, hit for power, take a walk, has decent speed and arm, and plays at least a passable level of defense at 3 infield positions including SS. Some have said that he strikes out too much, and he has struck out at a 34% clip in the majors, but he is around 20% in AAA which is average. He absolutely crushes LHP to the tune of a 1.022 OPS in El Paso in 2024. . Not sure why he has not been given more of a shot in the majors at least as a platoon utility guy. If they don’t bring back Solano, to me giving him 3-400 PA off the bench at 2B, SS, and 3B is a no-brainer.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
While I agree Pads Fans, it still feels like there’s room for Rosario and Solano (AND Arraez) to me. Especially with Eguy able to fill in at 3 IF positions.
PS-I think Cronenworth’s Padres days are numbered, and he gets dealt this offseason.
Pads Fans
If Cronenworth is traded, does Arraez take his place at 2B? How much of his contract do the Padres have to eat? What teams need a 2B?
bloomquist4hof
He’s a tough one, his contract isn’t spectacular due to it’s length but it’s cheap from an AAV perspective and he’s still fairly productive. I think he still projects to be slightly above average at least for 2025, so he’s probably above water for a couple years years then drops fast. Because of his low cost per year, maybe only 10m as a guess, but could see the amount being a bit more in reality. Mariners could make sense.
bloomquist4hof
I think they do end up needing to eat a little more than 10m, but think from a marginal value perspective, it’s likely somewhere in that ballpark, but maybe need to eat 15m+ or so (as a guess). I think there’s this perspective that he’s an albatross, but there’s a good chance he’s a decent value for the first couple years.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Rosario gets his shot. Solano, Arraez stay in the 1b/DH/Utility role.
Cronenworth’s contract really isn’t bad, and will only get better over time. Depending on the trade package, I see a lot of teams that could use a guy who can play any position on the IF, and has some pop.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Mariners, Royals, Yankees, etc would all make sense.
FanDan
Sorry. That contract is untradeable. He will be with SD for the whole contract. Unless of course they Hosmer him.
websoulsurfer
Cronenworth put up 2.0 WAR worth $18.5 million on the FA market in 2024, the first year of his new contract. For the 2024 season he was paid $7,285,714. The AAV of his contract is $11.4285714 million. So far he is in positive value territory.
He played 90 games as a 1B (-12.5) or DH (-17.5), so that depressed his WAR. If in 2025 he plays a full season of 1290 innings at 2B (+2.5) at the same -2 DRS that he averaged between 1B and 2B in 2024 and what he produces on offense is exactly what he did in 2024 his WAR will be 3.25. (WAR positional adjustment in parentheses)
I think that any team would be ok with their 2B producing 3+ WAR for $11.4 million. Don’t you?
FanDan
Forget WAR. He is a below league average hitter and has 6 years left on a contract that no one wants to take on. Defense is great. Yes. But he is not a good hitter.
websoulsurfer
I don’t think Crone gets traded. But if he did, Arraez would move back to 2B.
As far as what teams need a 2B, the Angels, White Sox, Giants, Twins, Rockies, Red Sox, and Cardinals had the lowest WAR from the 2B position in that order starting with the worst.
Boston had 9 different players start at the position. Minnesota had 7 start at least one game at the position. The Yankees also had a negative WAR at the position and Torres is a FA although I think they are the most likely to go with a kid like Cabrera. If Seattle declines Jorge Polanco’s $12 million option, they will have a big hole there too.
elmariachimike
I don’t think Eguy has been given a legit chance at the MLB level, leading him to overswing and hit for more power than he does in the minors… but getting away from that good BB:K that got him his chance in the first place.
He may totally fizzle out with more exposure, but we’re talking about a guy with a 783 career OPS who has only been given 100 MLB PA’s.
Pads Fans
Cronenworth is a 106 OPS+ and 109 wRC+ hitter post COVID. Just so that you understand, that is above league average. Last season he was a 99 OPS+ and 105 wRC+ hitter. That is league average to 5% above league average. You blew that one brah.
You are saying we are supposed to forget half of the game? Nah. How about we ignore your comments instead?
HiredGun23
Xander is fine at short. They need to focus on pitching, pitching and Profar…
BaseballisLife
Do you think Preller would be able to pull off a trade for a catcher with 2-3 years of control like he did in bringing in Cease, King, and Arraez? To me that would be the biggest impact move he could make without signing Snell, Burnes, or Soto. Just spitballin’.
Longtimecoming
As for the C trade, I’ll take Higgy on low 2 year deal over a trade. The guys available via trade aren’t that much better. Still a little hope in giving Campy 1 more shot.
Use any trade capital or available FA $$ for a solid 3 type in rotation that might have some control beyond 25.
Pads Fans
When I saw your post, I looked and couldn’t find any catchers that really fit that description. While it would make a huge impact, the top ones that can also hit would cost more than the Padres should give up in my opinion.
To me re-signing Higgy to a 2 year deal at $2-3 million per is the way to go. It gives Salas and Campusano time to develop. While we know that a 35 year old Higgy is not going to repeat his 2024 performance with the bat, his defense and game calling has always been regarded as very good and there is something to be said for continuity at that position.
BaseballisLife
Preller was able to pull off trades for guys like Arraez and Cease that no one thought were available. If he could pull off a deal like that for a catcher, would you be in favor of it?
Brew’88
As long as deal for C is just a short-term deal and doesn’t hold Salas back
BaseballisLife
Salas seems special. Have you been watching the AFL games?
Pads Fans
I see what you are getting at. Trading for Cease and Arraez were 2 year deals in essence since they will be FA after 2025, so if there were players coming like Salas is, it wouldn’t block them, but I could not find a catcher that was both a good catcher and a good hitter that had only 2-3 years of control. Can you name one?
Pads Fans
Salas is a tremendous prospect. Watching the game right now. He is 2 for 3 tonight which puts his Arizona Fall League numbers at .368/1.011 while leading all catchers with 10 RBI in 38 AB.
He went to the AFL looking to focus on hitting and he has taken off. If he can finish the 35 game season hitting like this we might see him in the majors before the end of his age 19 season.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Been watching too. He definitely shortened his stroke from early last season. Looks relaxed at the plate now.
websoulsurfer
What Brew said. Salas is a special player. 1st catcher to play in the AFL at 18 years old in 32-year history of the league.
Blackpink in the area
Bogaerts at shortstop allows Cronenworth to move back to 2b where he’s more valuable. And there are a lot of 1b available in free agency if you want to put Arraez at DH.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Personally, I’d just re-sign Solano and roll back with the 3 man rotation
Brew88
@Blackpink. Yes that would be very sensible. Would love to see them add a power bat at 1b on a short term deal
DonOsbourne
They’re paying X to be a SS. They should at least give him a chance to earn his money.
stymeedone
No, they are paying XB for his bat. His defense is below average.
Fever Pitch Guy
stymee – Good thing Xander isn’t being paid based on your opinion of him.
He’s getting paid for being a good hitter AND being able to play both middle infield positions. In fact this year even with the shoulder injury he is ranked Top Ten in DRS among all MLB 2B (min 700 innings).
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…
stymeedone
I should have said his defense at SS. I’m sure his results at 2B is more in line with his ability. I have only said he was never capable of playing good defense at SS (and one year of average is not the same as good).
elmariachimike
He’s better at 2B, for sure… but to say he’s in the Top-10 is a weird flex when his DRS is a negative number.
truthlemonade
I am a Padres fan. I am in favor of just putting Bogaerts at SS. Why not? SD entrusted him with 20 games and 16 starts at SS in 2024. This allows Cronenworth to play 2b where he is much better suited than 1b.
I wonder how Merrill feels about being an outfielder? Sure, he had a very successful rookie season and transitioned to CF very well. But I wonder if he yearned to be a big league shortstop and is saddened to see his window at that position possibly closing.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think outfield will remain Tatis, Merrill and Profar. Crony at 2B, Bogey at SS for a year, Machado at 3B. Higgy is retained, Scott leaves for big bucks.
Longtimecoming
I think the odds of your prediction are very high. Except I think they give McCoy a shot in ST, they give Eguy a shot at 2b in ST and they try to keep Kim on a 1 year deal with a June target. Bog is the fallback.
So, I have more faith in running back the end of year 2024 lineup than either of these other shots playing out but until they sign the FAs, thst seems to be the plan.
Simm
Long- I don’t think they will give McCoy a shot at short. He just can’t hit but that’s not my reason why. Last year the whole moving Xander to second on the first day of campy clearly made him unhappy and preller said they will get that resolved sooner this offseason. So I don’t see them going into camp without knowing where Xander is playing. Now stuff happens that can change that but McCoy is t stuff happens he is more than likely happens.
websoulsurfer
McCoy has a slick glove, but he cannot hit. Over 5 years in AAA he only has a 76 wRC+.
Unless the Padres trade for a decent hitting, slick glove SS and trade away Cronenworth, Bogaerts is the default option at SS. People seem to forget that prior to an injury decimated 2024 season in which he was forced to move to a position he had never played at any level, Bogaerts had averaged 5.1 WAR from 2021-2023 as a shortstop. 5.0/5.9/44 respectively. That is top 5 in MLB at shortstop. I fully expect him to start the 2025 season at SS.
After Preller’s comments, I got the impression that the Padres will not exercise their end of Kim’s $8 million mutual option and instead pay the $2 million buyout hoping to keep him for those 3 months he may play for less than the $8 million.
User 2770661946
Tim Anderson is waiting
Lindor's Bodyguard
Timmy is going to wait forever. Besides, he is busy getting women pregnant. Who has time for SS when women are lining up for Timmy’s next child.
User 2770661946
Fatherhood takes an hour to an hour a half a day max to satisfy the government quota. San Diego needs him.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Seriously Mr. Anderson should be motivated to have a better 2025 season and continue his career. He shouldn’t have to settle for a minor league contract.
I can’t believe he has lost all his skills so quickly. He could probably be signed relatively cheaply with incentive clauses for ABs, RBIs and more.
Isn’t TA capable of .230 BA, 8HR 35RBI 15 SB .305 OBP with above average defense?
XMan should be able to play some SS say 45 games. A mix of XMan, Cronenworth, Arraez and Anderson (at 2B, SS, 1B and 3B) could work.
Solano is a versatile productive IF who could be in the mix.
I realize Machado would play 3B most times (130 games) and DH a little.
stymeedone
@ yagotta
Are you new to the sport? TA is a bad defensive SS, as is XB. You won’t get above average D from him. He knows it and was willing to sign to play 2B after the CWS cut him. Incentives can’t be given for RBIs. Games played is allowed, though.
BaseballisLife
Preller did a 48 minute zoom call with questions from reporters and covered a lot more than who would play shortstop.
His #1 answer? We will see in the coming weeks but at this point nothing can happen until after the World Series is over. We have started having discussions and things will start to happen around the GM meetings. He said that over and over again.
Simm
Yeah he basically didn’t say anything. Except he wants the couching staff back and everything else we will know in a few weeks or months.
rememberthecoop
You know, that’s an interesting idea – lay out couches at the bases for the coaches. Or recliners, at least.
Brew88
But the 3rd base couch would block Manny’s dribblers to Roberts and spoil his gamesmanship
Brew88
AJ can fill up 48 minutes without saying a thing like nobody’s business. Until the WS is over, we will not learn much about roster plans. AJ is allowed to discuss status of coaching staff now. And though he didn’t say it specifically, reading between the lines he certainly suggested Shildt would be extended.
Simm
Brew- that’s pretty much it.
websoulsurfer
Preller can give a non-answer with the best of them. At this point there is not much he can say, but he can sure dance around giving a solid answer to even those few things he can talk about like the coaching staff.
Brew88
You know he’s saying something of significance when he starts to look more like Rod Sterling when saying it
BaseballisLife
Padres fans, been listening to NYC sports radio tonight/this morning and my favorite idiots said Padres will be dark horse candidate to sign Soto.
They are saying Padres could offer to make him the highest paid player in MLB history.
16 years, $701 million with $23.81 million/year deferred to 2041-2057. Keeps him on their team through his age 41 season in 2040.
They said that makes the AAV for CBT payroll purposes $28.79 million.
The total is more than the $700 million Ohtani got so the most money ever and the AAV is $43.81 million so more than Verlander and Scherzer got. Plays into Soto’s ego but makes it affordable for Padres.
With $20 million/year deferred instead of $23.81 million that would make AAV for CBT payroll $31.54 million.
Like I said, they are my favorite idiots, but what do you think? Do Padres fans want him back? Do you think they would do a deal like that? If they did, would you be in favor of it?
Lindor's Bodyguard
MLB had to lend money to the Padres recently.
Pads Fans
Lindor, No. No they didn’t.
Longtimecoming
As a longtime SD fan, I’m all for a return of Soto if it can be done. It’s not my money and his production in the order is hard to duplicate for likely next 10 years.
Simm
I think there is a near zero chance they do that.
Just too much future payroll already and they need pitching.
Brew’88
these NYer favorite idiots sure get into details about the Padres. I don’t see Soto as a Padre and would be surprised if they signed a position player to a long-term contract anytime soon, unless it’s Merrill extended…
BaseballisLife
Al and Jerry are definitely idiots, but entertaining. It’s talk radio and Soto is the biggest story in town other than the Yankees and Soto being in the World Series. They have floated all kinds of theories about where he could go. I know there are several vocal Padres fans on here so wanted to know what you thought.
Pads Fans
Where to start?
1st, while the Padres have been known to sign guys to long deals to lower AAV for the CBT, I don’t think signing a guy to a $700 million is in the cards.
2nd, If the team did sign him, I am sure that it would take a deal like that to make it possible financially. I am pretty sure from his past comments that Soto is not likely to take much if any deferred money.
3rd, I don’t mind Soto coming back, but the team had a lot better vibe with him gone. Vibe or WS? Ok, WS.
Last, why are NYC media talking about Soto and the Padres other than he was a Padre and now plays in NYC? Its pretty much a foregone conclusion with most that one of the two NYC teams will sign him. I wouldn’t count out the Dodgers, Giants, or Blue Jays, but I think if Steinbrenner doesn’t open his wallet, Cohen will and the Padres can’t compete with that.
websoulsurfer
What favorite idiots do you listen to? Soto was pretty clear that he did not want to defer money, so his stated preference for no deferred money indicates that their idea is not going to happen.
If he would sign a deal like that, the Padres would be fools not to. I think the odds of Soto taking that deal are very low. 1 in 20 maybe.
Someone go to Las Vegas and let us know what odds you can get on Soto signing with the Padres. That would be very interesting.
BaseballisLife
Al and Jerry on the Warm Up on WFAN.
websoulsurfer
Idiots for sure. Until Boras recent comments about how close he and Seidler were to signing him to a contract, I would not have believed that the Padres would even consider bringing soto back, but your idiots might be on to something. Even a blind squirrel…?
BasedBall
AJ will do the most Preller move and sign the top SS free agent. Adames to SD on 12 year deal
Lindor's Bodyguard
I think those days are over. However, I could see Crony for Dansby Swanson and money.
vtadave
Not sure the Cubs can see that….
JoeBrady
Leaving the Cubs with two 2Bs and no SS’s?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nico when healthy again plays shortstop. But there is almost zero chance the Cubs acquire Cronenwerth.
Pads Fans
Ok Stevie Wonder.
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CenterWingPolitics
The most notable comment in this article is how Kim won’t even begin throwing until what sounds like April? Also that he may not be ready for games until June or July?
I almost think that takes him off the market completely and he’d be a late signee or signed after the draft.
He almost might as well take the mutual option but we know SD will decline
Longtimecoming
I don’t think SD would automatically decline. Paying extra 6 mil for Kim even if only for June – October, is a fair bet.
You have to replace him if not so, going to spend money somehow.
Brew88
I don’t think Kim July-September is a good idea LT. Unless they start Bogey at 2b start of season, moving him from SS to 2b yet again would be awkward. Best scenario to me is that Bogaerts plays SS until DeVries arrives, maybe sometime in 2026? Plus, Kim wasn’t exactly spectacular this year, so I wouldn’t expect him to come off of rehab in July or June and be back to 2023 Kim. I think he’s gone.
Pads Fans
I agree with everything you said there Brew. Players that have returned from surgery on that grade of shoulder injury are rarely up to their previous season’s form when they make it back into games and as you said Kim was not great in 2024. 2.6 WAR and 96 OPS+ in 121 games.
I would think some deep pockets team will sign him to a long term deal, but I doubt its the Padres
StudWinfield
There are plenty of teams that would sign to a 2 year deal. It just depends how little Kim wants to earn in ’25 for the ability to re-enter FA after next year.
Big whiffa
I agree ! To me, the most logical solution is he comes back and looks to perform well second 1/2 to increase his value. Woodruff is one the most valuable pitchers in baseball and he couldn’t even get a deal last offseason. I do not believe k performs well on the open market at all
JoeBrady
I don’t think it takes him out of the running as a FA or as a QO. If the correct number on an uninjured Kim is $80M/4, and I think it should be at least that much, then a GM could easily change that to $70M/4 to account for the fact that he will miss a half-season.
As a RS fan, if I thought I could move Story at a less-than-painful price, I’d gladly give Kim $70M/4 (assuming he clears the medicals).
Big whiffa
Right, to replace story it makes sense to a red sox fan. Woodruff is > kim and he couldn’t get a deal. No telling if the injury affects him or if he can bounce back. Thats a boatload of money to commit plus a lot of cap space. I don’t think there’s a buyer
And call me old fashion but the significant dip in his batting average this past season is a red flag to me
Pads Fans
That is pretty much what everyone that has commented about Kim on here has been saying. Preller just confirmed our thoughts on it.
C Yards Jeff
Loved “Whatevers needed” out of Tatis and Merrill.
Two young guys that hit the crap out of the ball willing to play wherever to help the cause. Padres future, regardless of positioning of players around the diamond, is on solid footing.
Pads Fans
Two OF that play with passion, play great defense, and put up 125+ OPS+. Not sure I would change a thing about that situation.
Melchez17
Go with Campusano and Brandon Valenzuela can be considered as back up catcher. Switch hitter with good defense. Struggled offensively, but as a backup he should be fine. As he gets experience, he might become a starter.
Keep Bogarts at short, Cronenworth at 2B. Maybe a short term 1B like Goldschmidt? Rizzo?
LF, I would look for a left handed bat… Verdugo?
Concentrate on pitching.
Cease and King are solid.
Maybe Manaea? He is a solid lefty.
Maybe try and get Jordan Montgomery as a reclamations project?
They have a bunch of decent prospects… they could package them up for a good starter. Crochet?
Longtimecoming
If they don’t sign Kim or Adames (and don’t think they will), I believe Goldie on a 1 year deal is fair option pushing Bog to SS. Just hope he isn’t Matt Carpenter 2.0!
Jordan – depends on terms. He was real bad. Manea or Wacha makes more sense. Get beyond 25 control and likely silt into 3/4 spot.
Pads Fans
There is no doubt that Campusano will be back in San Diego in 2025 unless he is packaged for a top catcher. Valenzuela couldn’t hit in AA and then was atrocious with the bat in 27 games in the hitters haven of El Paso. Just no.
Manaea was not good in SD in 2022. Nearly 5 ERA. Not likely to bring him back.
Montgomery has a $25 million player option and its not likely he will opt out. If you are talking about trading for him, that is a huge amount of money for a reclamation project
Verdugo can’t hit or play defense. Padres have better options. Peralta would be a better option. Ornelas would be a better option. Both would be cheaper too.
kcmark
SD needs to call KC and trade for Mikael Garcia. He’s blocked at SS by BWJ. KC played him at 3B. Not enough power for 3B. He had over 30 SBs and has great range for a SS.
vtadave
They may want to do better than a guy who put up a .281 OBP
websoulsurfer
There is a reason that Garcia has played almost exclusively at 3B. He is a terrible SS on defense. combine that with a 79 OPS+ over 1164 PA and that does not make him a very valuable trade target.
fred-3
All things being equal, signing a SS to a $300 million contract and moving him off SS within a year of signing him should be a fireable offense for the GM
padrepapi
Even if happens at that same time you set a team single season attendance record AND a season with the 2nd most wins in franchise history?
fred-3
Preller has one 90-win seasons and zero pennants in a decade lmao. It’s a miracle he wasn’t fired last year. He’s a mediocre GM, but a great scout, I’ll give him that
Pads Fans
After a planned tank from 2016-2019, Preller has 3 playoff visits in 5 years including an NLCS and an NLDS. If not for Sleepy Bob Melvin and his hands off managing approach, that would be 4 playoff appearances in 5 seasons. That is top of the heap as a GM.
fred-3
That was a planned rebuild because they failed so spectacularly in 2015. Also, where does it say you need to be awful, which is what the Padres were for 3-4 years, to rebuild your roster? Milwaukee often re-tools their roster and never goes through the doldrums.
Pads Fans
Maybe if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know that Fowler asked Preller to, in Fowler’s words, make a splash. Preller did a great job of that because attendance bumped up 400k or 11% in 2015.
When that didn’t work in helping the team win Fowler said that he allowed Preller to carry through with the plan he had presented to the ownership group when he interviewed and rebuild the organization from the ground up. Scouting, player development, analytics, FO, coaching, and players that fit a certain mold that Preller was looking for.
That plan called for the Padres to do a rebuild that would have them start contending in 2021. They did that a year early and have continued to do so.
Every tank = being awful before you are good again. All of them. 100%. From 2013 to 2016 the Brewers were awful. Don’t even mention 1984 to 2006 to a Brewers fan or you will get an earful. So please. When you have no clue what you are talking about, just be quiet.
fred-3
Pads fan, that’s what they said after the fact when the plan didn’t work. They didn’t just trade all those prospects to make a “splash”, they tried to win and make the team interesting and it failed, it’s okay to admit that. They pivoted and it seems like it worked in the end.
You say he has 3 postseason appearances in 5 years to his resume, but he should’ve been fired awhile ago when you look under the hood. 5 managers hired in 10 years and multiple regular season collapses when they had playoff aspirations, hiding medical record for opposing teams, just to name a few. Not even the best PoBOs/GMs get this much leeway. The amount of money he’s spent is significant as well. You can say you don’t care about that as a fan, but there are more efficient ways to run a team. Like I said earlier, you get in a situation like with Hosmer or Xander where you’re paying based off past performance.
Pads Fans
GTFOH. Like I said you don’t know WTF you are talking about. Fowler said that about making a splash BEFORE the 2015 season STARTED.. EVERY player is paid based on past performance. There is NOTHING else that you can base it on since you don’t know what the future will be OTHER than what has been done in the past. Ignorance is your only path apparently. Its not a virtue. So STFU.
fred-3
Pads Fans, listen to yourself. Do you really think performance didn’t matter for that 2015 team? They spent all that money and traded all those prospects just for headlines? It’s like talking to a wall to some of you Padre fans of this site.
websoulsurfer
Fred, the Padres have played to packed house with record revenue the last 3 seasons. 2021 was obviously still impacted by COVID, especially in California.
A POBO’s job is not just winning. Its increasing revenue and Preller has done that. Since he took the job in 2015, the Padres revenue has doubled. The Padres have also won with 3 playoff appearances in the last 5 seasons as Pads Fans pointed out.
In 2015, Preller increased the Padres payroll by $18 million. The 340,000 extra tickets and the extra sponsorships they sold that year more than made up that amount of extra payroll. as their revenue went from a Forbes estimated $210 million in 2014 to $255 million in 2015. Preller had done what his boss had asked. He traded for and signed some big names that attracted more fans and sponsors which increased how much money the team brought in. A win-win. In no way was that season a negative for Preller in the eyes of his bosses. Would they have liked to have won more games? Of course, but it doesn’t change that he accomplished what he was asked to do by his boss.
Then starting in mid-2016, Preller started the execution of a 4 year organizational rebuild that Ron Fowler said would see the team become perennial contenders by 2021. The team jettisoned not just 71 MLB and MiLB players over the next 2 seasons, but 52 people in the baseball operations part of the organization over 3 seasons.
In your opinion, who did they trade away prior to that 2015 season that would have helped them contend before 2020? Outside of Max Fried who became a very good starting pitcher 4 years later in 2019 and Trea Turner who had not played above A ball for the Padres at the time of the trade, what prospects did they trade away that hurt the team? Would Grandal’s 2.3 WAR per season have made the Padres a playoff team if they kept Fried and Turner? Norris had a 2.5 WAR in 2015, so the answer is no there. Eflin didn’t become an effective pitcher until after he was already a FA, so he would not have helped the Padres become contenders earlier than they did. Who did Preller trade away that hurt the team’s chances of contending in 2015 or even 2016?
Preller just completed his 10th season as the Padres GM/POBO and he will get at the very least an 11th season. I believe he is the 2nd longest tenured GM in baseball. That says that the ownership of the team likes what he is doing.
Your argument is not a strong one. Start over with logic and stats this time. Maybe if you do you can show a very brash and more than a little rude Pads Fans that he is wrong. I don’t think you can for the reasons I posted.
Simm
Here is what has been reported for the years. The padres have targeted the 2020’s as the time they wanted to start being competitive.
They have made the playoffs 3/5 seasons in the 2020’s. 2021 was a dreadful finish and 2023 nobody still today can figure out how that team failed. Preller it sounded like he had a lot of pressure on him this season to get the padres back into the playoffs while cutting 90m off the payroll and was able to.
Also it’s easy to look at all these big contract the padres have and just blame Preller. Peter Seidler was heavily involved in these signings and pushed them over the finish line. Especially the manny extension and the Xander signing. At the end of the day Preller worked for Peter and Peter loved Preller. So he must of don’t a good job of doing what he asked.
Is Preller perfect? Far from hit. Will he be perfect in the future? Far from it. I can also say this about very single pobo with every single org.
The one thing I can definitely say about Preller is he is exciting. He is bold and makes moves and those moves drive a lot of buzz (good and bad). The excitement in San Diego about Padres baseball is off the charts. Over the last few years they have turned the padres from a sporadic fan base that would show up here and there to one that is there every single day. It really is an amazing sight. If you haven’t been there before and after you wouldn’t believe the difference.
BaseballisLife
I didn’t hear Preller mention any number for this year. How did I miss that? I admit 48 minutes of non-answers may have left me less than attentive but what I kept hearing over and over was that there was no set number.
Simm
He didn’t mention a number at all. He basically said they will decide what the budget will be in the coming weeks. Even with that what he made it sound like it would be open depending on the player/need. Though he did add something to the lines that it wouldn’t be a free for all.
Brew’88
Yeah, AJ doesn’t have the freedom he had with PS and just like last year he’ll be given directive. I’m hoping they can bring in impact guys on shorter term deals (like they did Arraez) and exceed CBT if they have to this one year.
bravesfan
Padres should definitely let him walk and do very little to bring him back. They don’t need him. Their whole team is a SS playing different positions. He’s a good ball player, but let him walk unless he irrationally wakes up and decides to take that mutual option
no soup for you
I’m intrigued by the idea of Cronenworth at SS. His range is better than Xander. And X seems to prefer 2B since he became accustomed to playing there this past year.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Wonder if the Pads don’t get a new SS, if they’d move Merril to short and sign Bellinger to play CF for a few years (assuming he opts out of course).
Simm
I don’t see Merrill moving off center. He did really well there and his grades out as an avg shortstop. I also don’t see them signing bellinger to a long term deal. If they spend that kind of money it will likely be on a pitcher. My guess is the sign or trade for a stop gap shortstop or keep Xander there for the next year or two until DeVries is ready.
I Believe We Can Win
Bogaerts to ss
Cronenworth to 2B
Arraez to 1B
Sign a power bat dh/1b/cof
Lf wise I’d let Profar walk. Bring back Peralta or take a flier on Verdugo as a reclamation project.
In his career Verdugo has hit righties .280/.334/.447. So maybe pair him with a RH bat in a platoon situation.
Pen wise
They have Morejon, Matsui, maybe Cosgrove rediscovers his 2023 form. Down on the farm you got Omar Cruz and Fernando Sanchez who had a decent 2024, Jayvien Sandridge who had an ok 2024, and Jay Groome who should be given a chance to convert to reliever in spring see what he has.
I personally expect Preller to be active in foreign markets again. Might be in on 35 year old Tomoyuki Sugano
JoeBrady
I’m not crazy about any of the options, but I would re-sign Kim and move Bogaerts to SS for a few months.
GMoney28
Why is Tatis not at SS? I still don’t understand. He was on pace to put up A Rod numbers over there. It’s absurd
Butter Biscuits
Preller spent the whole time rambling I would not take anything he said in value. He will try to make moves in the winter to fix these issues
YankeesBleacherCreature
I’ve got 99 shortstops but a Kim ain’t one.
pjmcnu
Nice of you not to point out the obvious: Preller’s statements are designed to drive down the market value of the guy he’d like back, but, if the injury situation was more clear, could never afford. So while Kim says April/May, Preller (who no longer really has a place to say anything, since Kim is a FA) says May/June/July/2026?/who the hell knows? Classy. Of course, we all know how honest he is when it comes to personnel. Right Miami? Boston?
Simm
Preller said there are mixed timelines on when Kim will be back. That he (Preller) was told that he won’t pick up a ball until April. If that’s the case then May becomes the soonest. From there you have to play it week to week to see how he feels. So the difference of April/May or May/june/july just shows one saying best case and the other showing best to worse. Preller also stated they would be checking in on his timeline to see where he is at later as well.
None of this even matters though because every single team will check the medicals before signing him. This is a pretty serious injury and most never fully bounce back from it and the ones that do more so than not seem to take about 2 years to do so.
Pads Fans
Kim is not a FA. He is a member of the Padres until he either exercises his end of the mutual option, opts out, or the Padres opt out of their end. None of that can happen until after the WS is over.
Preller knows exactly what Kim’s medicals are. The person that doesn’t is you. Kim didn’t say he would be back in April or May, he said he hoped to be back by then. He and Boras didn’t want to kill his market.
Preller just said what anyone with a computer could have told you, Kim won’t be able to throw a baseball until after the baseball season starts in April. Then he will have to work himself back into game shape, say 6-8 weeks like he would have in spring training, and then do a rehab assignment. So saying June or July is realistic with that type of injury.
Even after that, the vast majority of players with that type of injury and surgery are not the same when they return. They neither throw as well nor hit as well. Kim was already a borderline hitter.
Do you know what is not classy? Your post.
knolln
Curious can he talk about an FAs injury timeline? Or he can because option hasn’t been declined yet?
Pads Fans
No players are FA yet. Can’t be until after the season is over. As of today they are still the property of the team they are signed for the 2024 season with.
phillyballers
Trea Turner could be had…