As the postseason nears its conclusion, we’re rapidly nearing the proper start of the offseason for all thirty clubs. Among the first decisions to be made for any club during the offseason is whether or not they’ll exercise club options for the following season. Those decisions are due five days after the end of the World Series, but clubs generally have an idea of where they stand before then. The Athletic’s Katie Woo discussed the Cardinals’ plans for the three club options they hold for 2025 this morning, and noted that the club is “not expected” to exercise its $12MM option ($1MM buyout) on veteran righty Lance Lynn or its $6MM option ($1MM buyout) on reliever Keynan Middleton.
Neither of those decisions are necessarily a surprise. Previous reporting indicated that Middleton was expected to land elsewhere this winter, and while Lynn’s status was more up in the air it’s long appeared that the club may prefer to retain right-hander Kyle Gibson on his team option, which comes with identical terms to Lynn’s, in 2025. That said, Woo makes clear that even Gibson’s option being picked up isn’t a guarantee. Instead, Woo suggests that the club would be “almost guaranteed” to trade either right-hander Miles Mikolas or southpaw Steven Matz this winter if Gibson’s option does end up getting picked up. Woo notes that the odds of Gibson’s option being picked up will “increase” if the Cardinals feel confident they’ll be able to move one of the two this winter, but that’s far from a guarantee.
Matz is surely the more tradable of the duo, even as he’s coming off a largely lost season on the mound that saw him pitch to a lackluster 5.08 ERA amid injuries that limited him to just 44 1/3 innings of work on the mound. While that production is unlikely to entice much in return on the trade market, the increasing price of starting pitching in recent years makes the remaining one year and $12.5MM on Matz’s contract a bit more palatable than it otherwise would be. Overall, the southpaw has been roughly league average (95 ERA+) while swinging between the bullpen and rotation for the Cardinals and figures to be a generally solid serviceable back-of-the-rotation starter in 2025. It’s also possible a club could look to convert him to full-time relief work after the lefty posted sub-3.00 ERAs out of the bullpen in each of his last three seasons, albeit in small sample sizes that total just 33 1/3 innings of 2.43 ERA ball.
Mikolas, however, figures to be quite difficult for the club to move. Woo notes that the 36-year-old is among the club’s many veterans (including Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras, and Nolan Arenado) who holds a no-trade clause that will restrict their availability to be dealt this winter. The Cardinals will need to have conversations with all of those players about their futures, but even if Mikolas agrees to waive his no-trade rights to play elsewhere its unclear how interested rival clubs would be in his services. Mikolas just endured the worst season of his Cardinals career in 2024 as he pitched to a subpar 5.35 ERA in 171 2/3 innings of work.
A hurler who will turn 37 in August with three below average seasons by ERA+ over the last four years and a $17.67MM salary for 2025 seems unlikely to garner much interest on the trade market unless St. Louis is willing to pay down a significant portion of his salary. That being said, there are some silver linings in Mikolas’s profile. The veteran’s 4.24 FIP and 4.28 SIERA in 2024 were far better than his actual on-field results, and he remains one of the most durable starters in the game today. Over the past three seasons, Mikolas has made 100 appearances (99 starts) and thrown 575 1/3 innings. That’s good for the sixth-most innings in baseball over that time, behind only Logan Webb, Aaron Nola, Corbin Burnes, Logan Gilbert, and Framber Valdez. If the Cardinals were willing to pay down a portion of Mikolas’s salary, it’s at least feasible that a team in need of innings could take a flier on the veteran in hopes of a bounce-back.
This one belongs to the Reds
Cardinals probably should go circa 2022 Reds but that type of prospect return might have passed them by as guys backslide.
Big whiffa
If they eat 1-2 the salary, reds will pay a fortune in prospects for gray. I’m for that move then reds go sign hometown World Series champ buehler to a huge contract he’s unlikely to get due to injury history. Give reds a stout rotation !
Abbott or Lodolo
That pitcher that fell apart last who’s bouncing back in fall league
Williamson
For gray and cads chip in 20-30 mil.
mad1
The self proclaimed best fans in baseball are in for a real treat in 2025
Blackpink in the area
Just shut up with that. I have never met anyone who said that about themselves that’s just media nonsense.
If you ask me the Cubs have better fans. Because they put up with losing for decades and still show up year after year.
wanderslust
Cub fans tolerating losing is a myth. In the 1970s, and early 80s, the Cubs averaged between 12,000-20,000 per year. Those were losing teams many years – where were the fans?
Lee Elia (Cubs manager then) has a famous clip in which he rips into the Cubs fan base as a bunch of losers who show up to get drunk and boo their own team (he was immediately fired after that.)
Their fan base only became loyal after they started winning, and they stayed loyal after – good for them.
Blackpink in the area
I was born in 1980 so I can’t speak to those years. Ever since I can remember the Cubs fans supported the team win or lose. What were the attendance needs like from the mid 80s until their championship?
wanderslust
When the Cubs first started competing in 1984, their attendance increased from 18,000 avg per game to 26,000 per game. When your attendance jumps by 1/3 because you win, it sounds like a bandwagon.
From the 1990s on, they’ve hovered around the low 30k per game.
By contrast, the Cardinals averaged around 20-22,000 I. The 1970s when they didn’t make the playoffs. Even winning the 1982 World Series only increased attendance to 26,000. It wasn’t until the 985 NL championship team that they started averaging over 30,000 per game.
wanderslust
I do recommend going to YikuTube and entering “Lee Elia Rant” in the search bar – he just lost it!
laynestaley2002
Hey clown, do some research. That moniker isn’t self proclaimed. OTHER PLAYERS, on OTHER TEAMS created that. Not the St Louis fans.
Big whiffa
They do have great fans that’ll show up next season for sure regardless of how bad it gets. Ain’t like they’ll loose a 100 games
Blackpink in the area
Mikolas is just as good as Lynn or Gibson. They are all back end starters who can be replaced internally. The team can decline the options for Gibson and Lynn and then let the Mikolas and Matz contracts run out and problem solved.
I want the team to blow it all up. If they do that they could be better for it in a couple years. But I don’t think they are going to do that.
Arenado, Gray and Contreras are the interesting ones to me. I think Arenado might want out. Contreras could be replaced internally the Cardinals have a LOT of young catchers. And Gray I just don’t see the point of him sticking around if the team gets rid of others.
Again I want them to blow it up but I don’t think that’s going to happen.
n2thecards
I think they will move Matz and decline all the options. I also think Contreras will be moved. I bet they hang on to Gray and Fedde. This would be blowing it up to an extent but more closely resembles a retool.
Rotation:
Gray, Pallante, Fedde, McGreevy, Mikolas
Catchers:
Herrera, Pages, Crooks (by some point in the season)
El Kabong
Contreras’ contract will be difficult to move. Especially if teams no longer view him as a starting catcher. It might make sense to keep him as a DH/LF/third catcher to help compensate for the loss of Goldschmidt’s (declining) bat. If he hits, but the team is not contending, they could move him at the trade deadline. He might be seen as more valuable by then. It would also open a door to bring up Crooks.
Blackpink in the area
I think Contreras can be moved. He’s a good hitter and better defender than people say he is. Herrera has proven he can start and he needs a chance.
El Kabong
Contreras can be moved, but why not wait until some other team becomes anxious about their light-hitting catcher situation? At the very least, he’ll be the best-hitting catcher on the mid-season market. He’s flexible enough to stay in the lineup while Herrara does most of the catching. And if they’re contending for a division title, they can keep him for his bat.
Blackpink in the area
Why wouldn’t teams be anxious this offseason? Catchers are notoriously difficult to move at the deadline. And why keep him around any longer when Herrera is definitely ready to play? Even if you can get both guys in the lineup at the same time I just don’t see the point if the team is taking a step back.
El Kabong
He can play other positions, and the team is in a winnable division. Trading a proven bat in the winter would be poor planning if the Cardinals later need a bat at the deadline. Also, being difficult to move at the deadline doesn’t mean being impossible. Particularly if the catcher in question can fill other roles. And his contract isn’t a bargain, which negates some of the possible winter return. What is the rush to move him now when there is no reason to punt on the season? At this point, then return won’t be much. The Cardinals might have to trade a prospect or two to move the contract.
Blackpink in the area
I would punt on the season. If the team trades Helsley that to me would be the indicator they are doing that if they don’t then they probably won’t.
At least 1 catcher needs to be dealt. That’s for sure.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t see the point in trading Matz before the season starts. Thry can keep him and he can either be dealt at the deadline or released and then the young guys can take his place.
Gotta trade a catcher. Probably need to trade 2.
Gray and Fedde both i could see being dealt but both could bring back more at the deadline.
El Kabong
blackpink, Yep. The deadline is a good point. Be patient, see how the first half plays out, and then use the trade deadline to do what’s best moving forward.
wanderslust
I think Gray stays because of his contract structure (something like $25m and $30m for the next two years). Contreras definitely has value – a middle of the order bat who can catch 2-3 days a week is worth more than the $18m per year he gets. Helsley may stay until the deadline, but he has to be moved. He won’t get a QO (what relievers do?) and w/ only 2025 remaining, you can’t let him walk for nothing.
As for Arenado, my they can deal him to the Rockies for their best players and have the Rockies pay another $50m (like when they traded him to St. Louis).
Big problem for the cardinals is the Diamond bankruptcy and the uncertainty it creates.
Champs64
The Cardinals have never blown up the team as a total rebuild. As long as Mo is at the helm I do not trust the decisions to do this. I do see changes are necessary and Bloom should be the one to do this. However,the team can compete in the NL Central without blowing up the team. Keep Arenado,Gray,Hensley,and Contreras. Sign Kittredge if it can be reasonable. Goldschmidt will sign elsewhere and be a good candidate to be comeback player of the year but we need to replace him. Lynn and Gibson pitched as well as could be expected from them but Lynn missed too many games. Gibson is serviceable. Matz out of the pen. Let the contract of Mikolas play out. Give opportunities to the young pitchers.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
They’ll pawn Arenado off on the Jays and Atkins will get robbed and take on the entire contract.
CardsFan57
Don’t pick up the options on Lynn, Gibson, or Middleton. What’s the point in a rebuild year?
Wagner>Cobb
Rebuilding seems like a poor idea to me. RE-tool makes more sense. Chase Davis actually looked good this past year and could make an impact soon. Winn is legit. Burleson is legit. Donovan is legit. Gorman and Nootbarr should have reserve roles, so some tweaking is necessary. Walker is still young and Herrera did well.
The rotation remains something of a question mark, but that’s true for most teams. Gray, Fedde, and Gibson is a solid foundation. McGreevy looked excellent, and they still have a number of interesting prospects like Hence.
The division is very wide open as Milwaukee will be losing Adames, and none of the other teams have shown they are definitive/perennial winners in-waiting.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t think this team is a contender until the guys from the minors get here. The team could make a bunch of trades and bring in young talent that fits better with that timeline.
El Kabong
Wagner>Cobb.
The wide-open division is an advantage for the Cardinals. Instead of making radical changes, they can make sensible ones that add to their mix of steady veterans and talented young players. It’s an opportunity to re-establish a winning culture by allowing the youngsters to “grow up” while playing meaningful late-season games. Along the way, they’ll become the next group of steady, homegrown veterans the Cardinals have always built around.
Mike56
People are crazy thinking Contreras contract is bad. Very good hitter. Average catcher with a strong throwing arm. Great clubhouse guy. If it wasn’t for the retool and the wealth of young catchers Cards wouldn’t be thinking of trading him. He’s been nothing but a very good player for Cardinals. Contending teams who need a catcher would be foolish to pass on him
Blackpink in the area
Agreed. So many teams need help at catcher and Contreras is a good player. If it wasn’t for the Cardinals taking a step back in 2025 and their catching depth which is probably deeper than any team in baseball they wouldn’t even consider dealing him.
Mike56
Crybaby Flaherty when he was with Cardinals had yo blame Contreras for his poor pitching. Wasn’t man enough to admit his struggles do it was Contreras fault. Media ran with it . Of course Oli never backed Contreras so after that he was a bad catcher. He may not win a gold glove back there but he holds his own
phillies1993
They should bring back both Gibson and Lynn. Those salaries sound high, but that’s what an average starter costs now.
If they wind up with too much starting pitching, it’s not like there won’t be teams trading in-season.
Blackpink in the area
They aren’t average they are back end starters who are both at an age where they could completely fall off a cliff. And make no mistake the Cardinals have young pitchers ready to tke their places.
Dave 32
Considering the propensity for starters to get hurt… who’s gonna pitch in 2025 if these guys get traded anyway?
Mike56
Cards have McGreevy Graceffo Roby Thompson Hence and the young lefty phenom who was best pitcher at Springfield (name escapes me this second). If they’re gonna retool it’s time to let most others go and let’s see what we have. Could always pick up an average innings eater later if needed