The Angels and Braves wasted little time hammering out the first significant trade of the offseason, as the teams announced Thursday that they’ve agreed on a swap sending designated hitter Jorge Soler to Anaheim in exchange for righty Griffin Canning. There’s reportedly no money changing hands in the deal. The Angels will take on the entirety of the remaining two years and $26MM on Soler’s contract. Atlanta, meanwhile, will be on the hook for Canning’s salary in his final season of arbitration. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects a $5.1MM salary for Canning, who’ll be a free agent next winter.
Soler stood as one of the most obvious trade candidates in all of baseball this offseason, given his defensive limitations and the presence of Marcell Ozuna in Atlanta. The Braves acquired him as something of a desperation move at the deadline, needing help for an injury-ravaged lineup. The plan always seemed to be stomaching Soler in the outfield for a couple of months and pursuing a trade in the offseason (hence Soler ranking prominently on our list of the top 35 trade candidates of the 2024-25 offseason).
The 32-year-old Soler (33 in February) will add a thunderous bat and defensively limited skill set to the Angels’ roster. He inked a three-year, $42MM deal with the Giants last winter on the heels of a 36-homer campaign in Miami and has now been traded twice in the first year of the contract. That isn’t for lack of production, however. To the contrary, Soler enjoyed a solid season at the plate, slashing .241/.338/.442 in 142 games. He was particularly productive from June onward, catching fire with a .263/.366/.489 batting line and clubbing 15 of his 21 homers in that span of 386 plate appearances.
Soler simply wasn’t a good long-term fit on Atlanta’s roster with Ozuna a lock to be retained on a $16MM club option. Both players offer huge power but bottom-of-the-scale defense in the outfield corners. The Braves, as a luxury tax payor, would’ve been on the hook for overage penalties in addition to the $13MM annually owed to Soler.
With the Angels, it’s a more straightforward match. He’ll slot in as the everyday designated hitter on a Halos club that used journeyman Willie Calhoun as its primary option at the DH position in 2024. Eighteen players saw time at DH for the Angels last year, and their collective output (.222/.299/.328) was the fifth-worst in the sport, by measure of wRC+ (80). Even if Soler doesn’t bounce all the way back to his standout 2023 production, his 2024 output represents a monumental upgrade over what the Angels received out of last year’s committee approach to the DH spot in their lineup.
Soler is now one of five Angels under a guaranteed contract for the 2025 season, joining Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, Tyler Anderson and Robert Stephenson. Add in an arbitration class that could cost upwards of $31-32MM before any potential non-tenders (via Swartz’s previously referenced projections), and the Halos are looking at a projected payroll around $168MM (via RosterResource) with the entire offseason ahead of them. They’re presently about $58MM beneath the first luxury tax threshold.
For the Braves, the trade subtracts an onerous contract while adding another competitor to their rotation competition behind Chris Sale, Reynaldo Lopez, Spencer Schwellenbach (and, once healthy, Spencer Strider). Canning, a former second-round pick and top prospect, has shown promise with the Angels at times — 2020 and 2023, in particular — but has yet to solidify himself as a viable big leagues starter. He’s coming off a season that saw him soak up a career-high 171 2/3 innings but do so with a lackluster 5.19 earned run average. His 17.6% strikeout rate, 8.9% walk rate, 40.7% ground-ball rate and 1.63 HR/9 mark are all worse than the league average.
As recently as ’23, however, Canning logged 127 innings with a 4.32 ERA and much more promising strikeout and walk rates of 25.9% and 6.7%, respectively. A dip in both command and fastball velocity (94.7 mph in 2023, 93.4 mph in 2024) contributed to a downturn on the mound. That said, Canning entered the 2024 season with career-long strikeout and walk rates that were better than league average and a decent bit of post-hype prospect pedigree. He won’t be guaranteed a rotation spot in Atlanta, but if he’s tendered a contract — not a sure thing — he’d compete with AJ Smith-Shawver, Ian Anderson, Bryce Elder and Hurston Waldrep for a spot at the back of the starting staff.
Canning has more than five years of service time and thus cannot be optioned to the minors without his consent. That lack of options leaves open the possibility that the Braves could attempt to sign him to a one-year deal that checks in well shy of his projected arbitration salary and, if unsuccessful, decline to tender him a contract. That’d render the Soler trade a straight-up salary dump, but that’s still not an entirely bad outcome for the Braves. If Canning is indeed tendered a contract, he could also be used as a swingman or long reliever.
The Braves paid the luxury tax in both 2023 and 2024. They’re overwhelmingly likely to do so again in 2025, based on the state of their books. Paying Soler $13MM would’ve come with at least a 50% luxury tax — possibly more, depending on the extent of their remaining offseason spending. For a club with holes to fill in the rotation and quite likely at shortstop, that was an untenable setup. In effect, Atlanta is buying low on a rotation flier and creating greater financial flexibility to address other offseason needs. The Angels, meanwhile, move a potential fifth starter/non-tender candidate to provide a substantial upgrade to a lackluster offense. The Angels’ roster is still littered with holes, so this should be just the first of many additions if the team is intent on trying to compete next season. It’s a fine start as long as it’s merely the first domino in a broader sequence.
Mike Rodriguez first reported Soler was being traded to the Angels. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported that Canning was headed back to Atlanta. David O’Brien of The Athletic reported that no money was changing hands in the trade.
Braveslifer
So it begins…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Canning is a good fielder but a bad pitcher.
ATLBraves21
Final year of Arb for him looks like around 5.4 million At that price he doesn’t make it as starter maybe out of pen or trade him again in off season or just release him doesn’t hurt Braves. I wonder if Braves will eat any of Soler salary if not good move to clear some money
petfoodfella
Cleared. AA gets ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐stars.
BravesFan2024
Still giving him 5 stars for letting Freeman walk? AA is mediocre at best. The love affair these comment sections have for him on this site needs to stop.
NashvilleJeff
@Braves2024: “Still” using FF’s FA signing w/LA to fuel your rants? Any praise for or agreement with moves AA makes “needs to stop” because you disagree with what AA does? How dare someone have a different opinion than you, right? Anyone here who’s read your “analysis” over the course of the past season knows that your dislike for AA isn’t founded on reason. Your disdainful jabs at those who actually do understand transactions enacted by the Braves FO is what “needs to stop.”
MLB Top 100 Commenter
BF
I also give AA five stars. If you wanted to lower it to four stars because of Freddie, I would not quarrel. But “mediocre” is too far off base even with reduced pickoff throws.
Idosteroids
Max Fried replacement.
Eddy Treadway
Joking, right?
Ketch
Replacing him where? In the Braves Fantasy Football League?
BravesFan2024
Came in to say this
Joking of course but will we actually get anything better for a Fried replacement? Doubt it
bhambrave
You don’t do steroids, you do LSD.
Bucsfan4ever
The Braves owners will not go for high dollar free agent pitchers nor will the Braves likely trade any of their good young minor league pitchers (nor should they) to get any of the available major league pitchers. The Braves should either resign Fried or commit fully to building their pitching staff from within the organization
stymeedone
There is absolutely no reason for an either extreme or else proposition. They could easily pick up a mid level starter and, with a healthy offense, compete. No reason to kill the budget or give up type decisions.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
This is the zest I needed to start the offseason
phillies012tg
Poor guys about to have the worst season of his career
Idosteroids
Those Santa Ana winds might help him get to 70 HRs next year.
Baseball77
Do you live there? Are you aware that those winds only blow a few days in the year, mainly in the offseason? Or are you just being sarcastic?
Persi W
Definitely sarcastic. Also the SA winds would blow in from left field.
GoogleMe
Soler’s worst season will still be better than Canning’s best season.
UGA_Steve
And that still won’t matter to the Braves because it’s a solid move to clear up money. Just a couple of weeks ago when the Braves were eliminated there were dozens of people on this board stating they wouldn’t be able ot move Soler.
I am glad they were wrong, though I do like Soler. Braves just didn’t need him as much as they need payroll flexibility.
davidk1979
Angels are weird man
nukeg
True statement. Angels donated an Anthony Rendon signed baseball for our local charity event. It got zero bids.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Hard to be more charitable than being an Angels fan
Acoss1331
Nukeg,
Did Rendon pull a hamstring signing that baseball?
whyhayzee
They should have donated an Anthony Rendon signed paycheck.
Kruk it
He probably broke a nail signing it
GinaNCRaysFan
This is a great summation of the Angels appeal to the fans
amk1920
Farhan signing a contract that’s been traded twice in less than a year. Starting to see why he got fired
agnes gooch
amk1920– It was only a three-year contract for Soler and Farhan got out of it just a few months into it, so it was no big deal. It’s actually miraculous that Farhan got the Braves to take him back! If you want to crap on other presidents and GMs, then crap on contracts like Anthony Rendon and Kris Bryant, they are monstrous boat anchors that hamper the team for years. The Soler contract was a few piddling months and massively pales in comparison. The Farhan jokes are tired and pathetic.
holecamels35
Only good signings he made seemed to be one year deals or opt outs which help very little long term. Have to keep hitting on them over and over. It doesn’t exactly make him look good that he had to get out from under that deal one year into it, regardless of how he did.
amk1920
I agree they are tiring. He’s gone and that’s the end of it. Unless another team is foolish enough to put him in charge
GoogleMe
Angels are bad, not weird. This trade kinda makes sense. The Angels used Willie Calhoun and Niko Kavadas a lot at DH. Without looking, I would say they had to be one of the worst teams DH production last year. Canning isn’t a major loss. Maybe he can find something with the Braves, but it is clear that he was never going to get better with the Halos.
johnnyangel
Yes, only the White Sox got less production from the DH spot.
Sad as it to say, Soler is a huge upgrade at DH for the Halos.
urnuts
What happen to Trout spending more time at DH?
Rexhudler86
@urnuts probably going to play left field, wondering if this signaling the end for ward.
draker
60-day IL by May
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Don’t forget Javier Baez
GinaNCRaysFan
Yeah, you’re right, the Angels will probably trade one of their assets for Baez. Moreno’s heard of him, so bring him aboard!
FartPocket
@agnes besides just getting out of the contract, he got Ceballos from the Braves which was a solid get.
agnes gooch
Thanks for reminding me FartPocket! Ceballos looked good so far!
Baseball77
I agree its time to move on with the FZ criticisms. Whether you like his moves or not, he is gone, so why continue to hit a dead horse?
As for Anthony Rendon, it seems trendy to hammer the Angels for that signing. However, when they signed him, there were no indicators that he would become this bad so quickly or be so injury prone. I think it was a solid move on their part and they got very snake bit on it.
Sadler
Nobody deserves credit for admitting to making a multi-million dollar mistake, which is what this was.
agnes gooch
Sadler, go through every single GM or Presidents career in MLB, and you will find a litany of bad and good signings/trades/moves. When history is written, you will see that Zaidi made very shrewd very good moves, many of them small but all improved the team. His percentage of good moves to bad is way better than most POBOS.
He never saddled the team with any bad contracts and jettisoned any bad ones—either Bobby Evans or his own.
getrealgone2
That was quick. Braves didn’t need him with everyone coming back.
#LCDad
Are we going to be seeing a Dark Perry this off-season…?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nice pickup for Anaheim, they probably did not have to give anything up unless Atlanta is chipping in lots of dollars.
Logical move for Atlanta, with Ozuna taking up the DH slot, Soler is not defensively anywhere near an everyday corner outfielder.
YankeesBleacherCreature
This is a terrible move for the Angels. You’ve got a $26MM player with little upside clogging up the DH spot keeping it from a rotation of the aging Trout and Rendon.
jbigz12
I don’t see the point for the Angels. Canning had no guarantees. Could’ve just non tendered him.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Good point as to Trout, Rendon has done nothing to justify at-bats at DH.
Casor_Greener
They can put Soler in the field every now and then
NashvilleJeff
@Casor: As a Braves fan, I’d advise against that. Soler should be required to wear a butcher’s apron every time he puts a glove on his hand.
mcsarcastic
That’s funny.
Baseball77
The Giants learned, after giving Joc Pederson a glove way too often, to keep Soler firmly in the DH role and not let him play the field. Angels’ GM may need to talk with his brother about why the Giants did that.
Pat Rockett
I don’t understand it either. It looks to me like Soler doesn’t fit on the Angels’ roster any better than he did on the Braves’. Now they have to play Trout in CF again, which is exactly what they said they didn’t want to do.
urnuts
Maybe this is the first move that will lead to a Trout trade to Philadelphia .
If Trout does not DH at least 81 games I don’t see him playing more than 50
C. A. Hevia
They can play him in LF, Move Ward BACK to RF and gold glove finalist Jo Adell can handle CF.
Rexhudler86
@ca hevia. Something like that or trade ward and sign Kiki. I like his versatility plus it would keep the Cole tucker types off the team.
Rexhudler86
@YBC Rendon might get released or come off the bench. Trout doesn’t like to Dh, but he said he’s willing to move from center. Left field is the only option because he doesn’t have a strong arm.
Armaments216
Watch the Angels release Rendon, only to see him sign back with the Nats at league minimum, playing everyday 3B with a .900 OPS .
Rexhudler86
@armaments won’t happen. dude doesn’t care. That’s why I wouldn’t mind him on the bench he still hits doubles. You gotta find the silver lining in something oh and I forgot that smile and crap eating grin.
mostlytoasty
But-why.gif
getrealgone2
I know why for Atlanta. The Angels meanwhile…..
rct
Gives the Angels a very solid DH. If he’s good and the Angels aren’t, they can trade him at the deadline.
TheGr8One
The angels have more very solid DH’s than most the league. That’s not a luxury you want.
stymeedone
According to 2024 performance, the Angels didn’t get production from the DH spot. Who are you referring to? And don’t say Trout, because he will still be in the OF.
jbigz12
Trout’s been lucky to play half a season playing the OF for some time now. So why is that crazy?
johnnyangel
“Some time now” is two years.
Trout played in 120 games in 2022 and hit 40 HR’s that year.
TheGr8One
I will say Trout don’t tell me how to live my life!! He can’t stay healthy doing both. At this stage if you want him for more than half a season he’s your DH.
jbigz12
@johnny lol
Give me the numbers before and after.
JoeBrady
In the two before and two after, he played 50 games on average, with 13 HRs.
Baseball77
Are you counting the 2020 season in the two years before and after? Because he played the equivalent of close to a full season in 2020. Better way to approach it is that 3 of his last 4 seasons have been severely impacted by injuries.
aragon
What the heck? Perry still operates as if he is still working for the Braves. He might as well Why would he help that team to reduce payroll and add $32 million for next 2 seasons? Boo!
angelsbroncosfan
26 million is what he is owed. They got him for a guy, the Angels were most likely, going to non tender
Eddy Treadway
No, it is in fact 32 million. 16 both years
angelsbroncosfan
Eddy, on the list Traderumers did this morning. He was listed as a potential trade candidate. They put he is owed 13 million for 2025 and 13 million for 2026. So unless you have different information, it’s 26 million not 32
pascha
Negative. Reread the article. You are including the $9m signing bonus. His salary for 2025 and 2026 is $13m
Eddy Treadway
I’ll trust these guys over an article on here. There’s wrong numbers all time
spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/10723/jorge-soler
Eddy Treadway
Base is 13 and total paytoll salary is 16
pascha
CASH is the column to look at on there.
pascha
usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2024/07/30/jorge-sol…
July article.
johnnyangel
Correct – for payroll tax purposes, the bonus is spread out over the 3 years of the deal.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
The Giants are responsible for his bonus. It’s $26 mil total, $13 in each year.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
And They’ re OFF! To paraphrase the Beastie Boys
NO SLEEP TILL Opening Day! Announcer Don Pardo IF There is One?
AA starting to Re Build Braves for 2025
It would be Scary to Underestimate the Magic He can Do!!! BOO!
Soler is signed through 2026 3 years for $42M –
Not sure if any options
Depending on the return This should help LAA offense but he is streaky and offense just OK
bkbk
Being an Angels fan is the worst job in the four major sports
getrealgone2
Worse than Chisox or Rockies?
bkbk
Yes,
We have been given the greatest gifts the gods have to offer (Trout, Ohtani, the LA market) and still end up mentioned with the two teams above.
The only thing worse than failure is failure with hope.
getrealgone2
touche
letitbelowenstein
“The only thing worse than failure is failure with hope.”
(wipes tears) That was beautiful.
NashvilleJeff
Very reminiscent of my Braves fandom in the mid 70’s and throughout the 80’s.
getrealgone2
Man, those 80s teams were brutal. Dion James!
bruinlife33
Agreed bkbk. We are glutons for punishment
SoCalHardBall
Anaheim / OC is NOT LA. Never will be. That was Artie trying to draft off sponsorship revenue money simply by changing the name. Whats next, Angels coming out with pronouns?
NashvilleJeff
Wish I had a nickel for every game I watched in Atlanta Fulton Co Stadium in the 70’s and 80’s. I grew up in Atlanta about 15 minutes away from the stadium, and spent way too much time watching bad baseball. It was great, lol.
RyÅnWKrol
Stars have to be healthy in order for it to work. Trout and Ohtani were only the on the field together about 60% of the time. Look up the mighty 1995 Cleveland Indians, and take Albert Belle, Jim Thome, Eddie Murray, and Manny Ramirez off that team. What are you left with? Now imagine it’s 2021, and Shohei Ohtani, Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, and Justin Upton are healthy and play 140+ games, and for good measure, Albert Pujols staying as part time 1B/DH. Pitching is still an issue, but the Angels have still had plenty of teams over the last decade that could’ve at least slugged their way into a playoff spot if only their top players could stay healthy.
bkbk
Thats how all teams mostly go. The not developing players, not paying for scouts and just relying on FA signing meant that every time someone got hurt we trotted out Johnny Giavatolla or Carson Fulmer.
Look at the team that won the WS. Almost all homegrown, mayyyybe you could call Glaus a star at that point, but barely. It was just an organization that developed, had a philosophy around the type of talent they raised and won, consistently.
We’ve had luck beyond sports comprehension, but Arte gutted the orgs ability by taking away money that creates long term value that sometimes is hard to measure on a year to year basis.
With even a neutral non meddling owner, the Angels should have been the winningest team over the last 7 years.
bkbk
Thats point my overly aggressive friend. The area prints money, but it dosent seem to translate.
braveshomer
Hahaha that was very deep and poetic indeed
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The Los Angeles angels of Anaheim live on!
chalk73
Actually the Angels were originally the Los Angeles Angels. There are teams in every sport that play out of the city that they are named after. If you go back far enough to the PCL the LA Angels moved out of LA because the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to town. And if you look at their PCL hat logo, it looks awfully like the LA Dodgers logo. You could make the argument that the Dodgers ran them out of town and stole their logo.
Rexhudler86
It’s like perfume you can scratch, sniff, and smell it, but don’t drink it. Losing canning isn’t a big deal. Getting soler I guess we will find out, but it’s not my money. Apparently the angels felt like the price was right.
Persi W
@SoCalHardBall As far as TV and media are concerned, LA, OC, Ventura, Riverside and San Bernadino are all part of the LA Metro area. There are no local OC television affiliates.
GMoney28
Canning is ass
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Perry Minasian wouldn’t be able to GM at a Shake Shack.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Don’t forget us mariners in the PNW
At least the angels got the money but they have horrible people in the FO like the wsox and Rockies
bravesfan
The angel better be taking all his salary or throwing in something more for this to be remotely a good deal. I know we don’t need him and have an overload at DH problem, but that doesn’t mean we just give him away for free. He still a good enough hitter to get something better than Canning.
formegn hardgin
you should examine the amount of angels fans that don’t like the move. the braves need the money. it is going to help them sign fried or someone else like him.
Skyrider123
Angels are taking on Soler’s remaining salary. Braves threw out 200M to try to get Nola last year. They have the money to throw at Fried or Burnes. AA knows Braves need pitching, not the constant AAA call ups.
kellin
Any Angels fan that doesn’t like the move is blind and has a weird love for Canning. Soler is an upgrade for the DH from last season. May not be the -best- choice, but at 13 million/year that seems reasonable. Canning is terrible and the team can find better options in free agency (lol, I know, we’re going with all in-house pitchers)
aragon
Soler blows!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Where’s Trout going to play? He’s going to need to be at DH at least 50% of the time, if he can even get on the field.
carllafong
The problem is that Trout should be moved to DH full time. This move means they are moving Trout to LF. And that will mean they will now trade Taylor Ward– have to. Is this team better with Soler or Ward? I’d argue Ward. Soler is very limited.
TheGr8One
My how desperate Angels fans are for success that they see Soler as an upgrade. I’m googling support groups for disillusioned fans for you right now will be back shortly with something in your area
johnnyangel
Trout can play LF or RF.
Ward can play RF if necessary. (He could actually play any of the 4C positions + Catcher if the Halos had the same open mindedness their crosstown rivals had.)
If there is no replacement added via trade/FA, Adell could be moved to CF as his defense seemed to have improved this past year. (Who had him as a GG finalist on their preseason bingo card?)
Soler can play a Yordan-esque 30-40 games in LF/RF to keep Trout off his feet, too.
aragon
Soler at any defensive position is negative 2 wins.
TheGr8One
And every non Angels fan can look at your roster and see 10 different ways 13 million can be better spent.
aragon
Amen! That is why I am so angry at Minasian dumdum!
chalk73
TheGr8One… so Willie Calhoun is better than Soler at DH? Looks like an obvious upgrade.
TheGr8One
No I didn’t say that what I have said is Trout needs to be your DH if they don’t want to waste what’s left of his career like they’ve wasted whats in the past and to that end no Soler is not an upgrade over Trout
C. A. Hevia
Why would they trade Ward? They can move him back to RF and Adell can move into CF. Trout’s not willing to be a full time DH, he’s said as much even as he was saying he was willing to move off CF. Beyond that., his numbers as a DH have been putrid.
Rexhudler86
@kellin I agree soler is 21% above league average. Calhoun wasn’t. Canning was basically a toss in, maybe the braves want to take a look they could cut the losses as well. He definitely wasn’t even a lock in the rotation or even getting tendered a contract. 13 million is fair it’s cancels out Drury.
petfoodfella
Braves aren’t signing Fried w/ a hometown discount.
getrealgone2
If they’re taking on most of the money that’s perfectly fine.
stymeedone
He’s overpaid, and can only DH. Those would be Rob Deer like numbers if he had a higher slugging pct.
sadmarinersfan
Griffin Canning is going to the Braves
C Yards Jeff
30+ starts and 170+ innings. Worth a look see.
Ranger Danger19
It’s the Angels so this will definitely backfire. Only the Rockies have worse management.
aragon
Minasian is a traitor!
kellin
Canning sucks!
aragon
Canning along with many other pitchers have had no proper coaching. Some even got damaging one. And many hitters are ruined by terrible coaching.
M.C.Homer
Used to suck. He’ll surely be an all star now
braves25
I don’t know that he is a traitor… It’s just that he is also still employed by the Braves
aragon
That is why he is a traitor to the team he is hired from. This move only benfits the Braves. And dumb Arte gave him an extension!
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Here we go love this trade for Both teams.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
No you don’t
formegn hardgin
speed of this makes it seem like the braves might actually put a strong offer toward fried in their five day window
Blackpink in the area
They had 6 years to sign Fried to a long term deal. They aren’t signing him in the next 5 days.
formegn hardgin
didn’t say it would work but this lines up with their trying
Blackpink in the area
It gets rid of salary for their offseason needs. I think Fried is gone but there are plenty of other deals to make.
TheGr8One
You assume (as usual with you) that Fried wanted his arb years bought out and the Braves just didn’t do the work. You don’t know that at all.
stymeedone
But Atlanta can set the starting point for the bidding!
UGA_Steve
You might be on to something formegn. As others have stated, the Braves possibly could have gotten more, but in any event, why rush it unless you haved a reason to get it done quickly.
Putting a better offer out to Fried might just be the reason.
DodgerOK
Whatever
taco guy
The directionless Angels strike again.
October 31 is their big off season splash to grab a DH
Arte hates starting pitchers and loves the long ball especially when tied to high K% sluggers.
Guess he was more impressed with the Yanks over the Dodgers……
Blackpink in the area
He’s stealing headlines from the Dodgers. Like a boss……
Halo11Fan
Bad trade!!!! Arte.
OK Trade, Perry…. Got it.
When Perry makes his first good trade, I’m assuming he’ll get credit but I’m still waiting.
Blackpink in the area
That Soler contract sucks. I don’t know what the Braves were thinking acquiring him. I don’t know what the Giants were thinking signing him. And I don’t know what the Angels are thinking today.
NashvilleJeff
The “Braves were thinking” that they needed a bat because their roster was decimated by injury. What were you thinking the last couple of months when you kept saying that the Braves wouldn’t be able to deal Soler?
Blackpink in the area
I was thinking there wouldn’t be another stupid team to take that contract on like the Braves did. But the Angels are dumber than I gave them credit for.
Pat Rockett
Never underestimate Arte Moreno stupidity.
HalofaninHtown
I truly don’t understand this. If Canning could be a .500 pitcher or even 12-10 for the Angels if the team had at least 6 or 7 players that aren’t AAAA level than he would surely be better than anything Soler would do. Now he blocks Trout at DH, Rendon shouldn’t even touch the field or the bat in 2025. Does this mean that Arte is going to dump Trout. After so of the team comments, so of which could be agreed with, maybe they are. But their pitching is awful. Even if they moved Canning to middle relief at his salary it would seem like a better move to keep him over 2 years of Soler. As a life long Halo fan this team will likely never make a playoff series outside of a possible one game wild card in at least the next 5 years and probably 10 to 15 before they win an actual playoff series. Arte has ruined this franchise.
Clofreesz
???
SFBay314
Feel bad for him. Started in a slump in SF and now he’s in Anaheim. No one deserves that….haha
Bart Harley Jarvis
AA is playing 3D Hungry Hungry Hippos.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Hey now where’s my residual
Bart Harley Jarvis
$1,000,000
Clofreesz
5D Chess with Multidimensional Time Travel
cheapseater
No one to prohibit us from seeing a maximum amount of Marcell Ozuna from The Braves in 2025!
Old York
Career 4.43 SIERA and he posted a 4.84 and he’s already 28. Canning is cooked. Probably should give up being a starter.
Clofreesz
SIERA? Never heard of her.
Bart Harley Jarvis
It’s like xWOBAloney, but different.
UGA_Steve
Most pitchers the Braves trade for or sign either blow up big time and have career years, or, they implode just as badly. Rare they have a ‘tweener’.
As a lifelong Braves fan, I hope Canning turns into Sale 2.0. His K-rate plummeted this year, but if it comes back to his average, which the Braves solid defense behind him, he could have a career year.
Even if he doesn’t, this trade should be valued as
Team one gets
Part time DH/OF who is a defensive liability
Team two gets
Griffin Canning and player(s) to be named later when they spend that cash.
GoogleMe
I will save you the expectations, Canning will not be Sale 2.0. Chris Sale was an elite pitcher in this league over a long period of time. It should be clear that Sale has was more tools to work with. Can Canning improve to a back of the rotation type guy? Possibly. Probably better if you can put it in the bullpen, but under no circumstance will be be the next Chris Sale.
pascha
I think if he can eat 100+ first-half innings for the Braves, while the young pitchers finish cooking in AAA it’s a win for ~$5m. Strider also isn’t expected to be ready opening day. If he’s another All-Star because the Braves coaches find a tweak, then it’s a nice upside trade with a $20m+ salary benefit.
NashvilleJeff
@UGA Steve: You forgot to list the main point of the deal. Team two gets $26M of badly needed salary reduction to the next 2 season’s of payroll.
havanabraves
I doubt Braves will offer him arbitration.
Pat Rockett
I can see them non-tendering but then trying to bring him back on a cheaper deal.
Poolhalljunkies
I thought the angels needed pitching..
southi
And Canning probably wasn’t in the plans so they used an unwanted part to obtain a DH
taco guy
Arte hates pitchers.
He’s petitioning MLB for the use of a pitching machine, but they don’t want to invest in an extension cord
Hammerin' Hank
I’m truly shocked that Charles O. Finley never thought of this.
chalk73
Poolhalljunkies… they do need pitching, that’s why they traded Canning, he’s toast.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Why Angels? Why? $26MM for Soler???
For a competing team like the Braves, Canning could be a non-tender candidate. If you’ve got $26MM burning a hole in your pocket, Perry, offer it to Jurickson Profar.
mostlytoasty
hey… you know how the Angels have two perpetually injured big contract players that should probably DH as much as possible? yeah… let’s bring in a DH-only kinda guy in instead
Halo11Fan
Where are you getting 26. Isn’t it 32 over two years.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You’re right. It’s $16MM per and Steve got it wrong. Makes the trade even worse.
Halo11Fan
Sixteen million today is nothing.
With this coaching staff, Canning would have never developed in Anaheim, and I doubt they can screw up Soler.
YankeesBleacherCreature
For that money, I’d rather make a play for higher celings with Profar or Tyler O’Neill. Free agency hasn’t even begun yet.
Halo11Fan
I’m not even factoring in the money. It doesn’t matter to me, and since the Angels won’t come close the cap, it doesn’t matter.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
YBC: off-Topic but wanted to say congrats on a great season, best team in the AL. Sorry how it ended for ya. Question for ya: when was the last time Yanks lost a WS ?? Cheers
Scott Brewer
It’s essentially a free agent signing of 2yr. $32mm as Griffin was a non-tender candidate. The benefit is no grueling negotiation process eating away time or complexities with other bidders. Less than 24 hours post World Series, Angels acquire a raw power bat who has 30hr. 100 RBI potential with championship pedigree and veteran presence. Great Move by Perry!
chalk73
Halo11Fan… Washington is going to use his wizardry to make Soler a sold defender… lol
Rexhudler86
@halos11fan was his bonus paid out because locked on angels is saying 13 million a year. Either way the price is fair, and if he was a free agent he would slot in after o’neil without a pick attached, and canning was a throw in. Canning was likely a non tender candidate and definitely wasn’t a lock in the rotation.
JoeBrady
The total is $42M/3. It is comprised of:
Bonus $9M
2024 $7M
2025 $13M
2026 $13M
Per Cots
aragon
No matter what, the Angels are taking $32 mil over 2 years.
JoeBrady
Just out of curiosity, show your calculations.
Pads Fans
Soler has been a better hitter than Profar over the last 3 seasons. Profar only hits well when he is in a Padres uniform
TheGoodsDude
At this point the only move i wanna see is going back to the california angels. There’s clearly no more hope as long as arte is signing the checks.
Devlsh
Now flip Canning to a pitching desperate team for a Sean Bouchard 4th OF type that doesn’t cost anything and take a bow for unloading Soler’s salary and prepping yourself for the offseason..
I do admire how the Braves do business.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What are your thoughts on Kelenic?? He gonna sink or swim?
braves25
They are going to trade him too.
I really wonder what it will take to get McClanahan from Tampa coming off TJ surgery.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
One of your top pitching prospects and another piece.
braves25
Kelenic, Elder, and 1 of AJSS or Waldrup for McClanahan
I would probably take that trade. Yes it would be hard to part with AJSS or Waldrup, but adding Clanahan to the rotation would be awfully nice.
6 man rotation
Sale
Lopez
Schwellenbach
McClanahan
Strider
Holmes/Anderson/AJSS/waldrup
That continues to protect Sale and Lopez along with protecting McClanahan and Strider coming back from TJ
AngelsFan1972
Trade for an OF/ DH, make me think there is more to come.
Taylor Ward for XXX, perhaps?
Halo11Fan
I have almost no doubt that the Braves will turn Canning into a good pitcher. That said, because the Angels would not have, I don’t think this is a bad trade. Except for speed, Soler is pretty much the hitter Adell should have been.
Because the Braves get the most out of talent, and the Angels don’t, the Braves will win this trade. But this trade should help the Angels.
Rexhudler86
@halos11fan I think this setting up a ward trade. The trade isn’t bad, they replaced Drury money wise. Canning needed to go I’ve seen enough it’s addition by subtraction.
southi
I absolutely believe that a huge part of this trade was Anthopoulos dealing away Soler and his contract to the first chump, I mean team, that would take Soler off his hands.
I also have to wonder if the braves think that either Canning has some untapped potential that everyone else has over looked, or if they think the change of scenery might benefit him enough for him to be part of the army of back end starters for the braves.
In any event, once again Anthopoulos shows that he doesn’t waste time in making moves to address needs (in this case dealing away obvious trade candidate Soler).
Blackpink in the area
It’s hard to make fun of the Angels taking this contract when the Braves took it themselves.
getrealgone2
No, it’s very easy to make fun of the Angels because they are terribly run unlike the Braves.
Blackpink in the area
That might be true but the Braves still chose to trade for Soler.
braveshomer
Wrong! We traded for Luke Jackson and SF made us take Soler as the only way the trade was going down. Everyone had it backwards at the Trade deadline lol
NashvilleJeff
How do you not understand that the Braves traded for him because they needed a bat for their playoff push? Their lineup was decimated by injury. Obvious to everyone but you that Soler was obtained as a short term rental piece. The Braves paid a pro rated salary for 49 games of Soler’s contract. Small price that fit their immediate need and also allowed them to stay under the 3rd luxury tax. This trade proves what the Braves plan for Soler was when they acquired him from SF.
Blackpink in the area
They needed a bat. They didn’t need a terrible contract to go with it. If they wanted a short term rental piece they should have went and got that.
NashvilleJeff
Good grief. They DID get a short term rental piece. Trading Soler after a 49 game stint on the 2024 roster was exactly that. All “rental piece(s)” aren’t created equal. Btw—–it’s “should have GONE.”
Skyrider123
That terrible contract is no longer an issue for Atlanta
Blackpink in the area
Correct my grammar again and i will mute you dipstick. I guarantee it. Like a tree in the forest you will talk and I won’t hear it.
NashvilleJeff
How terrifying. An angry child spewing a name calling threat. I don’t care if you mute me or not. Your obtuse little boy rants on this site are laughable. Btw—-trees don’t “talk in the forest” or anywhere else. You’re trying to reference “does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it” but you’re too ignorant to express the thought.
Halo11Fan
The only grammar I ever make fun of is when someone writes…. “Your an idiot!” That gets me every time.
You at least got it right. That makes your grammar better than most.
kinkykontrol
Your right, halo!
Fowlerrc
The Braves took it in desperation needing more power to try to make the playoffs after Riley got hurt. Not exactly apples to apples
Blackpink in the area
The Braves deal made at least some sense but that contract is still terrible. They got lucky that the Angels are too dumb to understand that. But the guy acting like Anthopolos is a genius is off base.
JoeBrady
It’s a little different.
1-Because of the way it is structured, the cost to Atlanta was only ($7M/6*2) or $2.2M. Assuming that you can trade the contract (which I didn’t think they could), then it is a really good and cheap to a short-term problem.
2-The Braves were a bit desperate since it probably made the difference in them making the playoffs. The Angels don’t have the same concern, which is why I am surprised they traded for him.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah of course it’s different and I guess if the Braves knew they could trade Soler to the Angels then it worked out. But they couldn’t have possibly known that.
The Angels are clueless.
UGA_Steve
`I will never blame AA for taking on Soler to try to provide a spark to a injury decimated team. It’s even better now that it turns out to be a short term rental.
There are so many fans on these boards in all sports claiming their teams are trying to win. They aren’t trying to put a sccuessful team on the field in lieu of huge payrolls. AA and the Braves did exactly what almost every fan base wants … try to win.
YankeesBleacherCreature
They can also tender Canning a $5.1MM projected contract and then flip him while eating some salary ($3-$4MM?) for some prospects. Shedding Soler, and $29MM+ in commitments, and freeing up the DH spot for a few lottery tickets is a win for the Braves.
Pads Fans
No one is taking Canning off their hands and giving them prospects. He is a replacement level player. They can non-tender him though. Makes it a pure salary cutting move.
Hammerin' Hank
He wasn’t that bad in 2023. The Braves may be able to get some decent production out of Canning. If not they’ll move on.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Canning has had some nice individual starts here and there.
CaseyAbell
Every story about the Angels somehow mentions the Rendon contract. This seems to be the 2000-year old BAD CONTRACT. It never goes away. Chuckle, chuckle.
prov356
Canning represents a typical Angels pitching story: a pitcher who had a moment of above mediocre performance and the Angels assume that’s his new normal and talk about him getting back to “form” for years afterwards until they realize the moment of greatness was a blip. Detmers and Sandoval are exactly the same IMO and there are countless others.
Soler seems like a good bat pick up but I thought Trout and Rendon were going to get more time at DH in 2025. Kind of a head scratcher on the receiving end but…ok.
chalk73
You’re assuming that Trout and Rendon are going to be healthy enough to DH.
prov356
chalk – Yes, my comment assumes that.
Rexhudler86
@prov Rendon might come off the bench. I doubt he will complain about playing less, that way he doesn’t need to find a doctor to say he’s hurt after the 8 before said he was fine.
prov356
Rex – Yeah I recently read that the Angels will be seeking a starting third baseman so the Rendon writing is on the wall. I think Rendon will be happy.
Rexhudler86
@prov I think rengifo will take it. He doesn’t look as bad at third. But also it’s rengifo he will make a Allstar catch followed by a error on a easy routine grounder.
prov356
I agree, and I have grown to like Rengifo with his improvements at the plate. But his occasional wild throws to first are the problem.
Saint Nick
Probably a pure salary dump for atl as they will nontender this guy.
Pads Fans
Non-tender a 121 OPS+ bat? Not likely.
Saint Nick
Canning not Soler.
bhambrave
Canning, not Soler.
Fitzy
This seems like an awful move with the Braves taking on no money. I’d rather non-tender Canning and keep DH open for Trout
Pads Fans
Angels biggest needs are power bats and players that can get on base. They were near bottom of league in both SLG and OBP. Soler provides both even if he does it in a streaky manner. Even making 2/3 of his starts at DH, Soler was more valuable than Adell. Stick him in LF/RF/DH rotation.
Halo11Fan
At this point, I don’t care.
From top to bottom, this team needs a complete overhaul. As long as the M & M boys are in charge, this team has no chance.
Halo11Fan
It looks like the Braves ate 6 million. Thirteen million a year for two years.
I don’t think I’ve ever used this common phrase before, but it’s so fitting….deck chairs on the Titanic.
vacommish
Braves can non-tender the pitcher and eat no money if they opt to go that route.
Halo11Fan
I think the Braves are picking up 6 million of Soler’s salary.
NashvilleJeff
Articles at the time of Soler’s trade to Atlanta by SF stated that Soler was owed $13M in each of 2025 and 2026. Cots shows the breakdown on the deal as a $16M luxury tax hit in both years w/a payroll cash hit of $13M in 25/26.
Halo11Fan
Thanks for the clarification.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Or they can DFA him some time before the start of the season and be on the hook for 15% of the salary…
There was a rule like this in the past. Is there still?
jbigz12
Yeah. Salary isn’t fully guaranteed until the season begins. JD Davis got hit with that last year.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Angels gunna Angels….
Johnny Bravo
Looks like the angels pulled a Boner bad deal for the one fact picking up Soler’s two year contract l believe $22 million remaining Perry Minasian is handcuffed all he has is small chips to play with on the trading table the problem with free agents no one wants to play for the Angels only if you overpay for a free agent The worst run baseball team in the league
So sell freaking team Arte Moreno
dano62
Fair baseball trade – Canning under some better coaching is league average potential; Angels probably not a player in Fried sweepstakes but Orioles should be. Baltimore also needs to think about flipping Westburg & a prospect to Seattle for Gilbert Grape. Adding Fried (or similar) plus Gilbert would bump their WS stock up.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Hey now Seattle is not just a development farm for East Coast teams!! We would like to get into the postseason again sometime.
HalosHeavenJJ
Angels definitely needed to upgrade DH. Not where I’d start, but definitely needed.
Ideally Trout rotates through DH quite a bit too.
Canning goes good year, bad year, and is coming off a bad one. So he’s due.
Hopefully this works out well for both sides but that’s a lot of money for a 1 WAR type guy.
JoeBrady
I don’t get it at all. They should be playing Ward, Moniak, and Adell in the OF, with Trout as DH, and maybe switching it around occasionally. All four of those guys should be considered full-time players. Giving Soler starts can only come at the expense of one of those four. For $13M, I don’t see him adding almost any value at all.
jbigz12
I’ve seen enough of Moniak to know he’s not a major league starter. Doesn’t do them any good to add Soler though.
Halo11Fan
Everyone who knows me knows I like Adell. He has all the tools in the world, but he has bad bat to ball skills and I don’t think that will change.
Moniak is worse.
But honestly, I don’t care what they do. They will not be good until the M & M boys are gone. When they are both gone, it’s going to be a couple years after that.
If the Angels were a building, one woodpecker could turn the building into kindling.
NashvilleJeff
The “one woodpecker” analysis……..brilliant, lol.
JoeBrady
Moniak is worse.
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Here’s my theory, and I won’t be offended if no one is buying.
1-Moniak is a former overall #1, so he has a pedigree, even if it is a bit aged.
2-Moniak had a .796 in Aug/Sept, with a .297 BABIP. There might be a non-zero chance he could sustain some of that.
3-There is a pretty good chance that the Angels don’t win 70. If there is any team that should gamble, it’s the Angels.
And nice wood pecker reference.
Halo11Fan
And I get the Optimism. But a lot of it is who you face.
Moniak doesn’t have the bat speed or the foot speed of Adell, but has the same poor bat to ball skills. That’s what I meant about Moniak being worse.
carllafong
This means Trout is not moving to DH. And this also means Trout will be playing left– so Taylor Ward has to be on his way out to make room.
Rexhudler86
@carlafong maybe! His value is about the same as lane Thomas #7 #20 and a throw in. (Not 100 rankings, team rankings). Probably worth keeping him til the deadline.
Pads Fans
Interesting. Braves taking on a year of a somewhat durable but otherwise useless Canning just to jettison Soler and his 121 OPS+ bat. Would have thought that Soler would have had some actual value in trade after producing with the bat.
jbigz12
A streaky hitter with no defensive value entering his age 33-34 seasons w/ a 2/26MM contract.
I’m surprised the Angels gave up Canning for a market value contract.
Pads Fans
Other than the fact that he took the ball for 32 starts, Canning has no value. His FIP, peripherals, and loss of velocity point to more of the same next season. His replacement level production makes even a $5.4 million salary a loss for the team. Maybe the Braves will non-tender him.
To get a player that hits very well on a “market value contract” seems to be a rare win for the Angels.
jbigz12
The Angels are going to be abysmal again next season. Why they’re taking on more salary is beyond me. But they continue to aggressively promote prospects and target older guys in trades. I guess Arte has the delusion of contending again.
I bet the Braves will fix Canning and turn him back into a decent back end arm.
Maybe the Angels can’t do that though With the way Sandoval, Canning, and Detmers have slid downhill.
dh4all
Good chance Canning blossoms anywhere else than Anaheim. They don’t have a winning culture, thanks to Arte.
YourDreamGM
I don’t see why they would want Soler even for free. And canning is basically free. Wasn’t doing much for them. Maybe Atlanta has a solution or they trade him to someone who does.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The Angels are now the favorites to win it all!
Lindor's Bodyguard
The draft lottery?
gold masters
U kidding I know
Although a healthy angels team could make wild card 3
DarrenDreifortsContract
lol
Oldhalo
Well… this trade infers that the team is trying to compete but it isn’t the right move. I know that it’s early and that there are likely other trades coming but still, why? Canning didn’t pitch well but how common is it for a home grown Angel’s pitcher to actually log 170 innings? I think it’s rare and we just traded that away, even if 170 innings was a fluke. We are still 2-3 good and durable pitchers away from making noise in October. So if you don’t have the pitching why invest in a bat that also eats up the DH spot where your best hitter needs to be more often than not going into 2025? Are they considering a rotation of Soler and Trout, and putting Soler in the outfield with an inept pitching staff? How much sense does that make? I can’t place my finger on the strategy behind this move because the team isn’t going to compete without a competitive pitching staff which has eluded the team for years.
YourDreamGM
I wouldn’t worry about canning at all. The 26m in payroll would be my concern. With trout rendon though whats 26m?
AngelsFan1972
I sense a bit of a shake up here…………………….
Perhaps this is a precursor to more trades.
Taylor Ward for ???
i like al conin
Agree. While the Angels don’t have much of a minor league system, they can traffic in another valuable MLB commodity: controllable inexpensive players.
AngelsFan1972
The Angels could use a player who has been there/ done that, and HAS A RING (x2)!
I like Canning, and I get this move IF it is part of “a bigger picture”, which I really feel like it might be.
Halo11Fan
Canning won’t develop here.
There is something amazingly wrong with their player development apparatus.
The entire system needs an overhaul.
Let’s just talk the last four first round picks.
Bachman short arms the ball, and had almost no chance to become a starter.
I like Neto, always have..
Schanuel bat speed is non-existent and has zero wiggle room on becoming a + player.. Nothing wrong taking him in later, but not where they took him.
Was it Moore last year? Good hitter, can’t play a reasonable secondbase. Do you realize how good you have to hit to play a bad secondbase?
This organization is broke from top to bottom.
AngelsFan1972
Good talk “fan”
You are just a ray of sunshine when it comes to Angels talk.
You could be right o Bachman
I like Neto as well
Schanuel I have no problem with. I think he will figure things out. He made good adjustments after some struggles last year.. That is encouraging.
Moore is 3 months into his professional career and you have all but released him.
Like I said…nice talk Mr. Sunshine.
JoeBrady
I have Neto as a 30/30 guy next year. Kind of a Bobby Witt-light trajectory. If the lock him in, it would become a good off-season.
Halo11Fan
Everyone can have a different opinions.
Completely change of topic. Strong second amendment supporters think I’m a leftist nut with my positions on guns, and the people on the left think I’m a right wing lunatic when talking about the second amendment.
I know when that happens, I’ve hit a balance.
There are some that think I’m a crazy homer, and others that think I’m a fake fan. When I get complaints from both sides, I think I’ve hit a pretty good balance.
This team is a mess, but I know come March I’m going to be optimistic on Rendon, Trout, Schanuel, Neto, Adell, a couple of pitchers, O’Hoppe and others.
And I’ll get it from both sides again.
aragon
Some scouts believe the Moore guy needs a swing trigger like a tow tab or something to be effective at MLB level. Currently he has a wide stance with no trigger.
What worries me again is the Angels coaching. Might damage him even more.
JoeBrady
I know this is part of being a fan, but it wasn’t very long ago that multiple Angel fans wanted him promoted to the pros, after maybe 9 games in the minors. And now he is doomed.
JoeBrady
Strong second amendment supporters think I’m a leftist nut with my positions on guns,
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This is what’s wrong with politics in America. It seems like both sides want you to be all-in on every issue. More people should register as independents to force them to think about the issues and not the politics.
Rexhudler86
@halo11fan moore wasn’t graded out well as a defender in the draft process, but he didn’t have a error and was had 12 double plays within 10 games. He ended up getting hurt, but they said the same about schanuel. I don’t see many plays that look awful from him.
jbigz12
@Joe
They don’t even focus on the issues anymore. Commercials are just hit piece propaganda on the other side. You actually have to do research to understand the candidates. Most don’t and people are more similar than different in a lot of cases. But the division will probably always continue.
Halo11Fan
I’ve never seen Moore play.. The reports I’ve seen indicate he’s a poor second baseman. True, not true, I don’t know.
But do you know how great of a hitter you must be to be a poor defensive baseman?
After a few months of seeing him play in the big leagues, I might change my mind.
johnnyangel
I just Googled “Christian Moore defense” and it seems that there are plenty of people who think he’s actually a pretty good defender.
The knock on him is consistency, as in – he makes a lot of spectacular plays but can occasionally botch the routine play. That, of course, is fixable.
I see nothing that says he’s a poor defender, but maybe I missed it.
So, for now, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Rexhudler86
@halo11fan. That was coming from the talking heads.
I’m not sure if he ended up with errors the last game, but he didnt look bad.
Just saying that the pre draft profile is usually wrong.
Rexhudler86
@Johnnyangel it was coming from the mlb network. I watched some trash pandas games, and it looked fine. It was floated around the same thing about how his bat might not translate to a wood bat but he came out the gates hot until he cooled. I agree those predictions are usually wrong. He looks like a good pick with the small sample size
Halo11Fan
If can play defense, he’s the type of upside player we should be drafting.
If you have heard he can be a good second baseman. I’m happy to look at it differently.
I talked to someone on X, the other day about Schanuel. He says it’s possible he can increase his bat speed enough to be a good player. Currently his bat speed is at the 2% rank. Basically ranked 50 out of 50. If he can get that up to 20%, I’d be anxious to see what he can do.
Rexhudler86
@halos11fan you guys are both correct. He’s not bad defensively, but that was his knock coming out of college or what the talking heads said. He didn’t have a error 37 assists and 7 double plays in 21 games.i watched three trash pandas games, and he didn’t give me anxiety. Perry definitely said he wants Washington to work with him, and definitely not a bad idea. I guess it’s a small sample size. But does pass the eye test.
Schanuel needs to quit barking at umpire about those close calls, and just foul it off. He’s definitely to new to do that.
Halo11Fan
Right now Schanuel is in no man’s land. Because his bat is slow, he has to start his swing early to hit the ball with any authority and even then , it’s not a lot of authority.
He can’t let the ball travel, which allows him to control the strike zone, and walk a pace we would all like.
If he can’t increase his bat speed, he needs to go back to the player he was when he came up.
AngelsFan1972
Halo11Fan
Why form such a strong opinion on someone, especially a few months in to hos professional career, and added to to that, was hurt for a stretch of time?
If the same was in reverse and he batted .500 based on that same sample, you have to admit that you would be saying, hey let’s pump the breaks and see how he looks over time? It seems like too many opinions are forms based upon reading what other people have written, or what some excel spread sheet says.
You admit you were extremely high on Adell, and unfortunately he has not yet lived up to the hype. Rather then trash Moore, why not, at the very least, give him one full season of professional baseball. Then maybe BEGIN to formulate an opinion?
Halo11Fan
What do you mean strong opinion? It’s math and logic.
If he can’t increase his bat speed, something I’m not an expert at, then he has to let the ball travel and control the strike zone. Even the guy on X who was bullish on Schanuel admitted this.
His current bat speed forces him to make decisions sooner.
I was high on Adell because of his tools. I’m much lower on Schanuel because of his tools.
If May rolls around next year and his bat speed ranks 40 out of 50 players, instead of 50 out of 50 players, I’ll be thrilled.
AngelsFan1972
@Halo
I hate when the replies don’t follow where you (me) interjected.
I was referring to Moore.
Halo11Fan
1972, I don’t have a strong opinion about Moore.
He should be a good hitter, it’s all about his ability to play secondbase. I have heard troubling things, but I don’t know.
I don’t have enough information on him to have a strong opinion. But it’s all about his defense.
Rexhudler86
@halo11fan. That’s why we bowed out on the conversation. Everything is too small of a sample size. But I get why people fight you on it, because he hasn’t given up a error.
AngelsFan1972
Halo – your positivity is amusing to say the least lol
Was it Moore last year? Good hitter, can’t play a reasonable secondbase. Do you realize how good you have to hit to play a bad secondbase?
He played a few weeks (76 innings) so far in his professional career. I feel it is far too soon to say he can’t play a reasonable 2nd base. Especially when he has not had the benefit of a single spring training with Wash.
Halo11Fan
Who cares about errors? I don’t. I care about range. I care about arm. I care about pivot.
And so should you.
AngelsFan1972
I still do not how you can form any opinion, good or bad, based off a few weeks work, on a kid just drafted? Did you hear me clamoring about how he was the next Ryne Sandberg when he came out the gates hitting so well? No! Why? Because I knew it was way to soon to form an opinion, good or bad, based upon a small sample size.
FYI
I don’t remember stating I did not care about errors.
Halo11Fan
How can you form an opinion he’s going to hit?
Shortly after the draft, I asked several people about his defense. The consensus was he has a chance to be adequate.
I don’t just dismiss that neither do I treat it as gospel. You can have opinions, I can’t. I’m sick of that.
AngelsFan1972
What are you talking about?
Either
1 you are just arguing to argue at this point or
2 you are not reading what I am saying.
I never said I do not care about errors
I never said I had formed an opinion on his hitting
Rexhudler86
@angelsfan1972. Were all getting tagged in this cluster duck. @halos11fan opinion is he heard whispers from trees about his defense and he doesn’t care about how he has looked because he’s stubborn so it’s best to leave it alone.
Halo11Fan
Rex, what you got right.
I have heard whispers.
What you got wrong. I don’t have a strong opinion. I have an opinion, based on little information. But again, not strong.
What I also don’t care about is the scouting acumen of people on this board. So far, few people have impressed me with their ability to scout players.
People think Rengifo is an adequate defensive player, for example.
People took years to come around to the fact Jo Adell was an adequate defensive player… for example.
Although these people are free to have an opinion regarding Moore, they have not given me any reason to put much weight in them
AngelsFan1972
Halo
THANK YOU for proving I am right!!!!!!
What I have stated all along is that it is TOO SOON to formulate an opinion. Your points on both Rengifo and Adell prove my point;. It takes quite a while in order to accurately assess an individual.
AngelsFan1972
@rexhudler
Considering how strong the winds are today, that makes a lot of sense! ha ha ha
Halo11Fan
Wow. Great strawman.
I can’t even have a soft opinion on a player based on people who have scouted players.
Does everyone have to walk lock step with you?
Halo11Fan
When you won’t allow someone to ask a question where might disagree with the answer, the problem is you.
Can more become a good second baseman? I’m not so sure.
Oh my God, what a heretic I turned out to be!!!,
Motor City Beach Bum
Matt Manning
YourDreamGM
As Pirates fan I am thrilled they took Moore. I would be thrilled as a Tigers fan as well. At those spots I’d rather swing for the fences with upside than go floor.
Steve Ledco.
OK, Canning did not have a good year but Soler is one of those players who strikes out a lot and occasionally hits a home run. Seems like the Angels are competing with the White Sox to see who is the most inept. At this rate Trout will never see the playoffs.
i like al conin
He’s a HUGE upgrade over what they rolled out last year. And it’s only the start of the off-season! Let’s see what else they do. It’ll also give free agents more confidence the Angels want to spend and compete
Halo11Fan
The opening day DH last year was Sano. So I think that’s an honest statement.
Rexhudler86
@halos11fan wouldn’t surprise me if there done. Maybe get a bullpen arm, and lorenzen.
Halo11Fan
Rex, I really don’t care what they do. Worst record in Angel History, 29th rated farm system.
From the M & M boys, scouting, minor league development to roster construction, nothing good will happen until there is a regime change. I hope it happens sooner than later, but I’m not holding my breath.
RyÅnWKrol
Look up the Yankees lineup on BR. What you described is just about every slugger not in the top tier.
James Midway
What injury will befall Soler 20 games in?
Acoss1331
Same injury that Rendon seems to get. Either an oblique or hamstring.
That’s mean, my apologies Angels fans!
EM41
Wow! This is a fantastic deal for the Braves. Soler was so atrocious in the outfield,that he had zero value for the Braves. Getting out from the $26 M owed to him is a great first step to the offseason. I don’t know if the Braves will non-tender Canning and save most of his pending salary or give him a real shot at the rotation. But getting anything for Soler makes this a really great deal.
Rsox
Offseason getting started quickly
EM41
This a very typical Angels deal – acquire an aging bat while letting go of a pitcher they failed to develop.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Blockbuster for the Angels. Trout, Soler, Rendone… oh wait.
wifflemeister
How in the world is Atlanta not having to send money to the Angels in this deal?
AA shows once again that he is the best GM in MLB
YourDreamGM
Because the Angels have idiots or idiot running things.
YourDreamGM
A+ salary dump for Atlanta.
ATLbravos
hoping they would have thrown in wash with that trade… but seen nothing but negativity on it with other braves sites… this is a great move with a huge useless salary dump… AA still playing chess!! love it
Rexhudler86
@atlbravos. It’s really not a bad trade from both sides. 13 million a year for soler isn’t bad. He’s definitely better than sano/Calhoun/hicks. Canning isn’t great but my guess is braves feel like they can fix him or have as a emergency starter because I believe he has a option left. It’s a salary dump and angels feel like soler is better than getting someone in free agency.
rynoresumes
Anyone who thinks this is a bad deal for Atlanta is ridiculous. The braves just got rid of 2 years of a subpar outfielder who cranks bombs for a pitcher who is young, cheap, and can possibly be fixed and turned to a number 2 or 3 pitcher. The angels’ farm and player development have not been good in a long while. There’s a possibility that the angels couldn’t fix Canning. The braves have good development coaches and seem to develop and fix pitchers who have struggled other places. I know Canning gave up a ton of bombs but I think he can be fixed, and this is a heck of a deal. We need another outfielder but someone who can play defense. Soler has an arm and accuracy, but his defense isn’t great. We saved a bit of money. This allows us to have extra starters as well since every team needs like 9 for a full season. Also, strider is coming back from his procedure and they aren’t going to give a full season load. The braves already have Ozuna at dh. Starters who can pitch are in demand. We actually in my mind won this deal because canning is cheap and he’s here for a year where soler is like 12M a year for 2 years. We can use the extra money to get an outfielder.
609Collectibles
First thing Arte wanted to do before he traded Trout was make sure he had a right handed bat with some power to replace him.
urnuts
Happy Halloween! The moves the Angels make always scare me.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Finally, a replacement for Ohtani at DH.
AL West is up for grabs and Arte is getting a jump on the competition this offseason.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yeah he can run and throw too. Same
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I won’t be surprised at all if the Braves flip Canning for a minor leaguer who doesn’t have to be added to the 40 man, and let someone else pay him in arbitration.
Rexhudler86
@brick. Probably see if they could tinker with his delivery. He sucks in the first inning and throws 50 pitches. Wouldn’t surprise me if they can figure something out because the past pitching coaches have sucked.
jbigz12
Braves don’t have a ton of depth if Morton retires. I think Canning is kept as the #5/6 starter. He’s as cheap as any pitcher they could bring in for that role.
Waldrep doesn’t look quite ready. AjSS probably takes a slot if Fried isn’t retained.
rynoresumes
Morton should probably retire as he seems to be running out of gas. Fried, im not really excited with his pitch arsenal, and he doesn’t seem as dominant as people think or say he is. Plus the money is going to be too much. Our starters will be sale, strider, Anderson Lopez, Holmes, and shwellenbach plus add Canning, and you have a full roster. And then you have Smith-Shawver and Waldrep to lean on. Let fried go and let Morton retire. I know strider most likely won’t pitch a full load, and if Holmes starts it may not be a full season. But you have extras already. I think our needs consist of SS and outfielder.
Paleobros
What’s up with Huascar Ynoa? Will he be in the mix next year?
NashvilleJeff
Odds are they don’t tender Ynoa due to his ongoing troubles, but he’d be a minimum salary tender. Fifty-fifty imo.
radhippo
Soler? Exactly what the Angels don’t need!!!another .200 hitter with 200k’s and taking up the DH….. What the F is Peary doing???
GarryHarris
This works for the Braves.
Rockies bad 2
Even sway: maybe, maybe not for maybe, maybe not. One had a few good years, Canning never has but will probably have eternal promise.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Griffin Canning? More like Griffin Caning. Amirite?
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” can’t come in the middle, separated by commas. It has to START the sentence. How do you mess this up twice in one article?
haighwiser
Angel fans need to relax. Soler costs $13 million a year and Canning would have cost $5 million. So we’re spending $8 million to have a DH with production. Would you rather have Willie Calhoun or Kavadas at DH and Canning pitching or Soler hitting at DH and not having to see Canning get smoked for 3 innings and wearing out the bullpen. This leaves a ton of money to get us a SP who wasn’t the worst in MLB last year and we don’t have to spend 25 to 30 million a year on someone like Teoscar Hernandez to get almost similar production. Canning was awful last year.
AngelsFan1972
This trade was made one day into the off season and created so much angst. I find it funny how so many people are mad/ confused/ angry over a trade that in the grand scheme of things, mean very little to the team.
The Angels do not need 5 #5 starting pitchers, and as much as I like Canning, he was a #5 starter.
#1 is who knows, because they do not have one
#2 Soriano (?) might be a bit of a reach
#3 Anderson
#4 Dana (?)
#5 Sandoval, Aldegheri, Daniel, Detmers, Kochanowicz, Suarez,
Do you really see Canning all that much better than the #5’s on that list?
So, yes, in my eyes, the Angels made a decent trade here.