Whether or not the 2024 White Sox ultimately set a new record for the most losses in a single season, there is no denying their performance this year has been a massive disappointment. The South Siders finished with a dismal 61-101 in 2023, yet somehow, they’re on pace to lose an additional 23 games in 2024. So, it shouldn’t come as any shock that the White Sox are planning to reduce their payroll next season, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Nightengale suggests the budget cuts are due to “sustaining substantial losses in revenue” this year.
While it’s impossible to guess how much the White Sox’s revenue might have actually declined in 2024, there’s no doubt attendance has gone down at Guaranteed Rate Field. According to ESPN, the White Sox have dropped from 24th to 27th in average attendance, going from 21,405 to 17,910 spectators per game. That’s the fourth-largest drop-off this season, and the only teams who have seen their average attendance fall by a larger amount – the Mets, Cardinals, and Blue Jays – are all outpacing the White Sox in average attendance by at least 11,000 fans per game.
General manager Chris Getz has plenty of challenges ahead of him with this White Sox team, but cutting payroll won’t be one of them. The highest-paid player on the team, Yoan Moncada, is making $24.8MM this season. Next year, the White Sox will only have to pay him a $5MM buyout. More impending free agents include Mike Clevinger ($3MM salary in 2024), Michael Soroka ($3MM), and Chris Flexen ($1.75MM). The team could also non-tender Nicky Lopez, who is making $4.3MM this year in his second season of arbitration eligibility, and Andrew Vaughn, who is making $3.25MM in his first. They certainly won’t non-tender Garrett Crochet, who is due for a sizeable raise in his second offseason of arbitration, but Getz could look to trade Crochet this winter. He would be one of the most coveted players on the offseason trade block.
Also off the books will be the tens of millions of dollars in salary the White Sox paid/are paying to players no longer in the organization, including Eloy Jiménez, Erick Fedde, Martín Maldonado, Leury García, John Brebbia, Michael Kopech, Tommy Pham, Paul DeJong, Tim Hill, and Touki Toussaint, as well as the $6MM they spent on buyouts for Clevinger, Jake Diekman, and Tim Anderson. All told, RosterResource estimates the White Sox payroll is approximately $148.8MM this year. And as things stand, they only have $35.3MM in payroll commitments for 2025. Thus, barring an unprecedented offseason spending spree, the White Sox payroll will be much lower next season.
Any significant spending from the White Sox this offseason already seemed unlikely before Nightengale’s report. Earlier this month, Getz discussed his club’s terrible season, saying “You try to make the best of it, and I think it’s an opportunity to embrace the situation that we’re in.” While those comments are vague, Getz implies he is moving toward a long, multi-season rebuild. In other words, he won’t be looking to make a splash on the free agent market this winter. Indeed, Getz said as much in a recent appearance on the NBC Sports Chicago TV broadcast, remarking: “We’re not gonna be working heavy in free agency.”
It’s hardly surprising, but that doesn’t make it any less disappointing for White Sox fans. The last few years have been hard to watch, and it doesn’t look like the team is going to get meaningfully better any time soon.
I mean, yeah—that tracks.
I think Phillies will go hard after Crochet in the off season.
As a massive Caba fan praying for his sake this doesn’t happen lol
The phillies will have company in going hard after him
Agreed. I see the Cardinals, Yankees, Mets and of course the Dodges also in that mix.
@verybarry
I doubt the White Sox want MLB ready players because they’d be throwing them into the same morass. Very recent picks that need 2-3 years of seasoning would be more astute.
And more risk….
The Mets won’t deal from their farm system. They have the money to go after big name FA starting pitching such as Corbin Burnes. The only big name young player that could move is Baty, and he’s not enough to get Crochet
That won’t get the deal done.
Not enough by a good margin.
Off season competition will be fierce and there will be better offers
Ask in live chat and I bet the mlbtraderumors team will agree.
I’d take that package and not think twice.
Since Getz isn’t renown for thinking at all, let alone twice, he’d be in for sure.
That doesn’t work for the Sox, even though it’s a good package. They MUST get top level hitting prospects, they actually have quite a strong list of young starting pitching prospects. Hitting, on the other hand, is atrocious at every level.
Crochet is not good enough to get Painter. This is not Chris Sale we’re talking about.
Breaking news: The players will now have to pay Reinsdorf to play for the White Sox. Expectations for 2025- They are expected to break their own recently set record for the most losses in a season. News at 11. Or 10 depending on where you live.
Such a silly take.
WS salary in 2025 will be less that the Angels will pay Trout or Rendon individually.
This was a lot less bleak than what I expected. They have a huge amount of money coming off of the books, so they can still have a big offseason and have a lower payroll than in 2024.
They can spend $100MM but I don’t see that being enough to right their ship with the holes they have.
That’s an optimistic and delusional take. Jerry loves it.
Delusional would be to say “it’s going to happen.” But that’s not what he said. He said they “can still have.” What he said is a fact.
And you too are delusional for believing it. Or is it gullible? You’re the semantics expert here, you tell me.
Jerry purposely deceived the fans when he hired Getz as VP and GM. His statement was that Getz knew the organization better than anyone and the best option to turn it around quickly. How did that work out in 2024? I believe he knew all along that he was the less expensive option who would take the job as opposed to hiring an experienced GM. who would balk at every good deal being rejected by Reinsdorf.. I also find it interesting how the league and the owners need to approve a future owner before they buy a team. But, once the team is bought, there is no obligation to at least make it somewhat competitive. This is the only major market team that I know of who is in the middle of a 10 year rebuild with no real plan to succeed.
If by “big offseason” you mean trading away their few remaining assets yeah it’s gonna be huge.
“Gonna be huge”… Trading away tenured “assets” for young prospects is how virtually all rebuilds proceed. Why would the Whitesox be any different?
truth: A big off-season? This is the third year in a row Reinsdorf is cutting the budget. He has no intention of spending any of the money he’s pocketing from the “high paying” players who are coming off the books. Any competent player or anyone making $3M or more will be gone. I’d just like to know which players on this 120+ loss team is Getz going to build around? If anyone thinks all of the records for futility the Sox will set ends this year, it’s going to get continually worse until jr is six feet under. The next record to fall? Worst attendance in the history of the game despite lowering ticket prices to $15.
Must be friends with Bob Nutting
Spending doesn’t equal winning. If it does the rays wouldn’t ever have a winning record.
Thit
“Spending doesn’t equal winning. ”
No.
But spending and winning are positively coordinated
DB
“spending and winning are positively coordinated”
I think they are more likely positively correlated than coordinated.
imhh
You are correct
, “Correlation does not mean causation”. Old saying..
Note that the top three payrolls from 2023 did not even make the playoffs.
It is less about how much you spend then it is how you spend it.
A multi year rebuild usually means no one on the current roster is part of the next core. These things take 3-4 years. The Astros modeled what a rebuild should be.
@astros, there is much more than just having 3 straight 100+ loss seasons to rebuild. I only commend the Astros on their player development. no team should be allowed to tank 3 years in a row and recieve extra picks. they also got lucky with the Brady Aiken fiasco and recieved the #2 in 2015 along with their normal #5.
Fans don’t deserve to be sold a crap strategy like that.
Not anymore now that the draft pick rules have been adjusted.
Reinsdorf should be punished for indifference in building a competitive team by not allowing him to have a first round pick. Even if they had the no. one pick overall, Getz wouldn’t know what to do with it.
Who says they are lowering ticket prices? This is Jerry R’s World, which means “squeeze everything you can for profit”.
Nobody worth signing wants to play here. The reduction in payroll will be organic.
It’s a freaking rebuild. There is no reason to spend on a team that clearly isn’t going to compete in 2025. Not sure why people are acting surprised by this.
Giants will take Benintendi and Crochett.
Y’all have a nice evening!
Why would the giants want benintendi?
I’m guessing the idea was to eat salary to lower the prospect capital it would take to get Crochet.
That was the general idea. But I think the Giants could still offer a great package even if they did eat all of Beni’s contract. Not Eldridge but some other nice pieces.
Sox were trying to attach Benintendi’s contract to Crochet at the deadline. I assume it will happen again (and likely happen) as it will be easier for teams to maneuver a budget in the offseason than mid-season.
Benintendi might be a good lefty PH for someone.
Reinsdorf won’t pay down his salary to get the prospects. The Sox will have to release him.
Exactly. He won’t, but he will take a lesser return for Crochet if it means getting out of Benintendi’s deal.
Teams will have the chance to pickup Luis robert cheap since the Sox are also on the hook for his buyout
Nah, they still believe in him.
They still may believe in him, but the I believe the jury is still out on him. His offense hasn’t been what everyone expected and he can’t seem to stay healthy.. 2023 was the only year he played in more than 100 games. The other 4 seasons were 56, 68, 98 and 92 so far this season. You can’t build a team around a player who is injured that much.
I don’t see any scenario where those option years aren’t auto-exercised. LBJ is too talented.
*LRJ
No they won’t b/c the Sox wouldn’t trade him until he gets his value back up. Nobody takes a player who has a big trade value when good and deals them at their lowest value.
Too bad they didn’t trade him last winter.
Exactly. The ship has likely sailed on their opportunity to trade him. I don’t know if it’s the clubhouse (again) or just being on such a historically terrible team or just having no protection in that lineup, but he sure tanked this year. Only thing he really did well was steal bags.
Wait, they’re paying this team?
It looks like in 2025 they will be fielding a AAA level team. (If we’re lucky!
ferm – I think they should make 2025 a reunion year to sell tickets ….. bring back Chet Lemon, Harold Baines, Jim Morrison and my personal favorite Rusty Kuntz.
There’s been 9 Chets in MLB history, Lemon is the last one so it makes sense for him to start the trend again.
I hear Wilbur Wood is still breathing!
Now, there is a guy who pitched over 300 innings for several years. Imagine taking him out after 100 pitches?
Something is wrong here, Rusty friggin Kuntz has a ring, but Banks and Yaz don’t!
cooper – Ted doesn’t have a ring either …. crazy, ain’t it?
This guy here is dead…
Well cross him off then
Now that is a team La Russa can manage.
I know your statement is all in good fun, but poor Chet is suffering physically. Can’t walk and can barely talk. I really liked that guy when he was with the Sox.
Yep, and if they’re smart, they will flip those guys as quickly as they can. Once they have 10 top 100 prospects, they’ll actually be ready to compete. Until then, there’s not point in holding on to anyone.
a_f
“Once they have 10 top 100 prospects, they’ll actually be ready to compete. Until then, there’s not point in holding on to anyone.”
Not if they have 9? And number 107?
Why do people make these ridiculously specific claims?
DodgersBro
Why do people make these ridiculously specific claims?
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Funny, but my question would be, “why do people challenge specific claims?”.
If I were to say that the US needs to cut immigration to 1,000,000 per year, and have a deficit no higher than 3%, I think virtually everyone would take it for granted that it is almost impossible to land on those to specific numbers.
Step up then?
Robert, Crochet, Vaughn, Sheets, and Benintendi all on the block!
Crochet doesn’t make any money. They’ll keep him.
Crochet is arb eligible next year, so his salary will increase by a lot, and he will return a haul of prospects who make even less money. They will trade him.
Not if they’re smart. Crochet absolutely needs to go.
Not a chance in hell. His trade value is as high as can be and before he has any chance at getting injured he’ll be traded in the offseason.
He’s already flat turned down any extension and Sox ain’t getting good in the last 2 years of his contract.
You’re right. On any other team, Crochet would net some top prospects. But this is Getz, the same incompetent who traded away Pham, Kopech and Fedde for Vargas, who isn’t even hitting .200 and has a hole in his glove at 3B, and three low level prospects.
Pham was a negative-value player. Fedde was a regression waiting to happen (and did happen). Vargas and 2 A-ball guys is about right for a return. The problem was that another A-ball guy should have been included for Kopech. They hastily threw Kopech in the deal just to shave his salary off the payroll.
Three team trades are too complex for Getz.
Kopech had a 4.74 and 5.43 ERA in his last two seasons with the WS. He certainly had promise, but teams weren’t going to break the bank for him. And he has a 9/7 K/W in his last 9 appearances.
Sheets makes his dad look like an all star!
Sheets still looks better than anything Vaughn and his warning track power have done.
What a joke statement, but I wouldn’t expect anything else from such clueless people.
Beni has had 2 fair months over the last 2 seasons and is owed 3/50m. Crochet has a ton of trade value. rest listed replacement level, or lower. Hard to see anything of much value prospects wise in return, except possibly Robert and have a feeling the league doesn’t value him as highly as some ChiSox fans do.
No offense, but this is another team which has had multitudes of high 1st rd picks over the years and swished mostly.. Another Pittsburgh.
“No offense” is right.
No defense nor pitching, either.
lol the mariners have the same payroll as the white Sox
They certainly won’t for 2025
Crochet for Mayo makes a ton of sense. 1 for 1 nice and simple.
Vaughn I think gets dealt. Needs to be to a team that’s trying to contend but doing so on a budget. A team like the Twins would work.
Robert I think they wait until he plays better.
Absolutely not. Crochet for Norby and Stowers is a MUCH more realistic ask
Stowers and Norby is who Trevor Rogers was traded for. So no obviously that’s not enough for Crochet. What 3 knuckleheads liked that comment? Your comment made no sense at all.
Nuh uh
Mike Elias is such a good GM that he made the league do takesies backsies and Taylor Rogers is back on the Marlins and Norby and Stowers are in their rightful place rotting away in AAA
in what world would the marlins trade those two? they are building the offense around them. this ain’t your fantasy league lil bro
I didn’t say the Mariners were trading them, read my above post! They are Orioles again! (Yay!) Reading comprehension is your friend!
There’s only one way you can atone for your lack of knowledge about baseball:
Apologize and donate your life savings to my favorite politicians!
It makes much more sense for the Orioles to just sign a free agent SP and keep Mayo.
Mayo has a huge amount of Ks, and maybe can’t field. While that is exactly what the WS use to target, I’m hoping that they are past those days.
I think VeryBarry had the right direction (above) with the Phillies & Painter-type package.
Mayo is a top 10 overall prospect for a reason. He has y years of control and is ready to play he’s exactly what the Whote Sox should be looking for.
Flock of course spending money instead.of prospects would be preferred by fans.
Getz wouldn’t know a top prospects if it fell on his head.
The White Sox have the most exciting 1 2 punch of pitching prospects in all of baseball in Smith and Schultz. They are a couple good trades away from having one of the best farm systems in all of baseball.
6 years. And yeah Painter could make sense too. I just think Crochet and Mayo is perfect value and the Orioles don’t have a place for Mayo to play.
Mayo is not blocked unless Mike Elias wants him to be blocked, BITA. He could be given everyday ABs next year without the Orioles having to get rid of anyone under contract/control for 2025.
How is he getting everyday at bats the way things stand now? OHearn is the DH. Mountcastle is the 1b. One of Henderson or Westburg is playing 3b. How?
Oh and Basallo is coming soon too. How does this all add up.
O’Hearn platoons with Mountcastle at 1B or DH with Mayo playing everyday at the other spot, and O’Hearn is gone after 2025, which opens a spot for Basallo for 2026.
Why would Mountcastle and OHearn platoon when both have proven they can play everyday?
O’Hearn sucks against lefties and Mountcastle has generally been much better against them than righties, so it’s a natural platoon, and they have previously been used as a platoon at various times over the last 2 years.
If Elias wants Mayo to get everyday ABs right from jump street next year (which is not even a given btw), that arrangement would accomplish that. Or, if he wants to ease Mayo in, he could be O’Hearn’s platoon partner with Mountcastle as the everyday guy to start the year.
Either way, Mayo is not blocked.
A platoon guy who only plays against lefties barely gets any playing time.
It’s generally about a 70/30 split, but it’s the best deployment for O’Hearn (.746 career OPS vs RHPs and .536 vs LHPs) and Mountcastle (.735 vs RHPs and .836 vs. LHPs), and it would open up everyday ABs for Mayo if Elias wants him to play everyday.
A team trying to contend would need a 1B who can actually hit the ball over the fence. Andrew Vaughn need not apply.
And a rebuilding team isn’t going to want a guy who hasn’t proven anything and only has 2 years of control left. Vaughn is worth more to someone else besides the White Sox but it has to be the right someone else.
Even to the right team, Vaughn won’t get much of a return. In parts of 4 years, and 2206 PAs, he still only has a career 1.1 bWAR. Even if a team pulled off some pretty nifty coaching, you’d still only have two years left.
IMHO, they are better off keeping him and hoping he learns the strike zone.
Part of the problem with Vaughns WAR is they were playing him in the outfield for a while. That’s not all the problem but it’s part of it and he was a terrible outfielder. If he does break out he would be worth more than he is now so I don’t think that’s the worst idea.
I think he would do well in the Padres lineup
Miss tonights game I guess
Is H.H. Holmes the new GM? Because they are burying this team. (bad Chicago joke… I’ll see myself out)
It wasn’t that bad. You can stay.
@slowcurve Sir, you’ve won the internet on this day.
Bringing up H.H. Holmes is laughable bc Chicago’s government (mayor, police chief, city counsel, etc) are burying more citizens than Holmes ever did
You’re thinking like Albert Fish now!
But they had great prospects.Eloy,Luis Robert,Sheets,Vaughn.All good prospects weren’t they?What happened?
Eloy appears to be doing well for Baltimore (as they have accountability and apparently do not just let guys just sleepwalk through games).
Luis is not passionate enough for the game, you can see it every time he fails to drive runs in, it looks like he is thinking more about what to order for dinner that night, no heart and that I think is more an indictment on the coaching staff( like Eloy)
Sheets I think still has a chance to be something, as since he has found out you CAN hit to the opposite side of the field he has been doing better, far better than that midget Vaughn with his warning track power.
nrd
“Luis is not passionate enough for the game, you can see it every time he fails to drive runs in, it looks like he is thinking more about what to order for dinner ”
That doesn’t mean he’s not passionate or not heart’s not in it. It just means need not outwardly emotional.
Eloy is now batting lower at Baltimore than he was in Chicago.. Maybe 1 HR
jr hired Getz.
Andrew Vaughn is going to be a beast if he would have more help on offense. Don’t understand the hate for Vaughn. Most knew Sheets wouldn’t be much, but Robert & Eloy are just Orthopedic Doctors dreams.
No. Stop.
Vaughn is an unathletic R/R 1b who is below average in all tools except contact. Hopefully traded asap.
HR & TRIPLE TONIGHT
“Don’t understand the hate for Vaughn. ”
Probably has something to do with the over-hype, career OPS+ of 101, and no evidence for improvement in any aspect of his game.
Jim Thome worked with Vaughn before his rookie season and raved about Vaughn’s potential, especially power-wise. Even HOFers can be wrong at times. But I do think players like Vaughn and Sheets will reach their full potential – whatever that is – once they’re away from the Sox and work with competent coaches.
Moving to Miami didn’t help Burger’s stats.
“GOMEZ TOTH” Dang you just described 82% of baseball players
While that makes sense since there’s not many guys on the current team that deserve a roster spot next year but
The next time the White Sox contend will be with a new owner. JR is 88.
Baseballislife: And he’s leaving the team to his son, who doesn’t want anything to do with them. Can’t wait for them to be put up for sale.
I just hope they get an owner who wants to win, not one who just wants to count the money and beg for a taxplayer funded stadium where they can squeeze money out of the real estate around the new stadium.
His mortal replacement couldn’t come fast enough.
What perhaps bothers me the most is because of these damn anti-tanking rules, the Sox can’t pick higher than ten in the next draft. This after a historically bad season. What a kick to the head.
The way they draft….
Yeah, I mean with that high pick maybe they can get another Andrew Vaughn, Jared Mitchell, Carson Fulmer, Courtney Hawkins,…..
If that’s the case, expect more substantial losses in revenue next season
Nobody has any clue how Reinsdorf had the City of Chicago put stipulations in the lease that guarantees NEVER loses money any year even if nobody shows up!
The City has to buy x # of tickets any year when the attendance level is below a sweetheart number. When he cuts payroll again thats just more pocketed cash. What comes out of his mouth about his desire to win first are and always have been lip service. His desire then and now has always been profits.
Anybody who thinks differently is a fool.
jr was quoted recently as saying he is very displeased with this season. This from a guy who won’t put a dime into getting quality players, who hired a moron as GM – Let’s face it, if the cleaning lady had been the first one to walk into his office, she would have been given the job as GM – who moans about lost revenue for under estimating the intelligence of the fans who aren’t buying into his rebuild malarkey, etc.
how bleak it must be for south siders! We Angels fans can hope for the better world once Arte sells the team. Hopefully after 2025 season.
Angels couldn’t win with the 2 best players in the league..
It takes more than two players to win even if those two play a total of three positions. judge couldn’t get his team into the PO last year.
Have I bragged about them? No. What I and most Angels fans hope are 1, caable front office. 2, much better drafting, better scouting and better developement. We hope for better big league coaching.
We want the team run like a well oiled team that produces more players that it drafted.
What the Angels really couldn’t do is build a good team around the two best players.
The Angels have:
Worst facilities for players in majors and spring training. Their workout equipment was in a tent for 2 years!
One of smallest analytics departments.
The smallest scouting department.
An owner that refuses to sign pitchers to deals longer than 3 years. What top pitcher is signing that short of a deal.
He is on record saying that he would not trade Ohtani while Trout was on the IL because then fans would have no one to come to park to see.
Moreno has shown that he doesn’t care about winning, just about having a couple of players on the team fans would come to see.
Don’t think they will NT Vaughn just yet, but the Sox will probably trade Robert. They’re stuck with Benintendi. He’s their token big contract guy for the next couple of seasons. The Sox should be the land of opportunity for players looking to rebound into a resurrection of their career – injured guys or guys that have fallen hard and will sign for minimum or on a minors deal. Guys like Eddie Rosario, Scott Kingery, etc.
positively: If you look at the Sox roster, it’s full of retreads, has-beens, A-level draft picks and injured players. Congrats, jer!
The White Sox plan to lose even more games next season.
ph
“The White Sox plan to lose even more games next season.”
Right now, not knowing what moves they will make, I’ll bet on regression, and take the over (on wins).
I agree. An argument can be made that, if they promoted most of their AAA team, they could win 40, even without Crochet.
Even more of the team will be traded, and we’ll have more prospects for tryouts, with a couple of bounceback players to flip at the trade deadline. At best the White Sox win 50 games next year only because some of these prospects start putting it together.
Agreed. Sign a couple of Jurickson Profar- types and hope to strike lightning with one or three. If they don’t work out, you waive them and hope that they accept a minor league assignment.
A ‘couple’?Try about 6 of those guys and that is just position players. I mean Robert is likely around as the Sox just will not get enough for him in any trade, and I think Sheets is around at first next season.. Vaughn can go back to the OF, or go away.
Maybe Ramos is at third, if they can finally realize that Sosa is nothing.
Then again maybe with a hitting coach worn a damn Ramos, Baldwin, Sheets, and Robert all get better. .
@nrd1138 Pretty much run Spring Training camp until the trade deadline.
50 wins will be a big improvement from 2024 team. They will probably get there even with lower payroll. Jimenez and Moncada deals are coming off the books (with Jimenez already traded). They are about $38 millions, I believe. That is a sizable reduction already.
Half the team will be flip-able, low-cost veterans.
Next year’s payroll will be 90m post it
The 2005 White Sox had a payroll of $75,695,000*. That is your over/under.
*$122,009,642.70 with inflation
Hopefully the reduction in payroll is in preparation of selling the team.
White Sox have the highest payroll in the AL central and the worst record.
Next year they will field a AAA team, along the lines of the marlins, If they don’t lose 100, no one will notice.
You need to stop the Marlins comparison. They have Alcantara, Weathers, Meyer, Luzardo, Cabrera and Eury Perez as starters and some IF talent. Far better than the White Sox. The Angels are a clear no. 29.
So the Sox had the worse season in MLB history (or at least its looking like that will happen), and attendance dropped.. Gee, I wonder why that is? Must be the location, yeah thats it.. So lets lower payroll even more, that will almost definitely make a winner and get the fans back and get attendance back up…But a new taxpayer funded stadium, where his ownership group buys up all the real estate around said new stadium, will help the team…. cue eyeroll.
Between this and the Bulls and Bears FO typical ineptitude, its going to be a long off season and 2025….. I guess there is always the hope that the Blackhawks will do something good?
I get that wildly throwing money around will not solely fix the issue, but once again NO accountability anywhere in the org is what will continue to doom this club. (Im sure Thames and Katz will somehow magically keep their jobs as well). Spending even LESS and playing in front of a Covid era stadium attendance is not going to help with that either.
But Im sure Getz just got his playskool ‘My first GM’ instructional coloring book so we should just all have faith this will turn around sooner than later.
Maybe being on the Southside Killing Fields could be an issue too,
You are ignorant
nrd: Well said, every word. Now you know why the city rallied around the Blackhawks from 2010-15. That’s the last time the city had any hope of a championship (they won 3. And no, I don’t count 2016 because the whole city didn’t really around the north siders.)
6 million in attendance for the parade. You’re just one of those Northside haters.
Haha, just about the whole country showed up for the Cubs’ parade and celebration which is in the top 10 all-time for human gatherings.
Good. If you love the game it shouldn’t matter how much you make to play it.
What a day to be a Sox fan.
Its worse if you are also a Bears fan.
this is a MLB forum, keep discussion to MLB teams please.
That really is tough. Hopefully you were old enough for the ‘85 Bears and Jordan’s Bulls era.
I was. Isn’t it interesting how great college QBs became ordinary once they come to the Bears?
I love my Sox, no matter. Been my team since 1972. A real fan don’t bailout.
The Red Sox are much better than the White Sox. I guess that is not saying much.
That ought to improve the product. It’s putrid now but let’s put even less money into the team. Sorry 4WSox fans.
Reinsdork’s legacy will be he owned the worst team in baseball history.
He should be ashamed.. if he had any shame that is. He will probably try to spin this historically bad season as what happens if he does not have a shiny new taxpayer funded stadium.
His legacy is deeper than that, He had a title winning team in. 2005 and did nothing to build upon that to build the fanbase. He had a sweetheart stadium deal that taxpayers paid a fortune for, but surrounded the park with parking lots to make sure no local businesses would squeeze him out on his overpriced concessions. He’s chased out the fanbase with an utter disdain for modern front offices – his GM who was fairly capable wanted Hinch, and Jerry overstepped him and brought back LaRussa. And has had outright hostility towards fans as if they are the problem.
The White Sox goal next season; 0-162…
With the Org clearly going for bottom dollar coaching and a manager this offseason? I cannot refute this…
Manfred and the owners need to stage an intervention and force Jerry-atric to sell the club.
Unfortunately Manfred will never do that because he’s paid by the owners. But I agree with the suggestion.
I mean, Sox spent $150M this year, and are historically bad. Spending $70-$90M in FA this offseason wouldn’t make them a good team, so tearing it completely down from a payroll standpoint makes sense.
The fact that multiple teams (Houston, KC) have more recently taken the same route of multi year rebuilds that lead to WS victories has to give Sox fans at least some hope that it can be done.
1st post today I can agree with. What’s happening to Sox is not new to the baseball world. I think Sox pitching staff will be very good starting next year & even if Crochet is traded. They have some young stud pitching coming up
100% correct. I wouldn’t sign a single expensive l/t contract. Does even a single fan care if they 60 instead of 50? The harder you tank, the sooner the future will arrive.
Unfortunately, the future is now. The “prospects”, along with the retreads, are as good as they are going to get. The Sox don’t have the ability to develop players. I think 25 wins is high expectations for next season.
It doesn’t.
Those teams did it prior to the new, anti-tanking draft rules. The White Sox cannot even pick in the top 10 in the next draft after having a historically bad season. They don’t have any free agents thwart can give a QO that might leave to get them additional draft picks.
There is no benefit to consistently losing. Yet the White Sox will continue to do it.
The Sox are going to let Moncada finish the season with the team, to show MLB that he is healthy enough to be signed in the off season.
Class
So Moncada being in lineup probably for less than 50% of his contract is who’s fault?
But you missed the memo yesterday…that Playing Moncada to try to help not breaking losses record.
“Who’s fault”? What are you babbling about?
Noneck-
Have noticed the username and wanted to point out was a ballplayer 50y ago who went by Walt “no neck” Williams.
baseball-reference.com/players/w/williwa02.shtml
Yes, he was terrible… but amusing.
Salary floor or start forcing any owner with back to back 100 loss seasons to sell
Shame on ownership! Sign a few guys to actually make the team better.
Luis Robert and Garrett Crochet can be traded. The ChiSox might have to be creative in order to unload Andrew Benintendi. This feels more like a salary dump than a rebuild.
So much “change of scenery” potential with these players.
I like this idea of tanking really badly. Keeps the costs down and gives ownership time to reevaluate the long-term goals. Tired of seeing these overpaid players underperforms most of the time. If you’re getting paid $20M/year, you better be crushing that ball 50% of the time.
$20M a year? That’s 10 players for that penny pinching billionaire owner.
Good news for the 2024 White Sox:
Their record for most losses in the modern era won’t last long, as the 2025 White Sox will be worse.
Their rebuild won’t start until Reinsdorf sells the team or passes on.
The White Sox will be extremely popular next year:
The other 29 teams will be begging the schedule makers to give them more games with the White Sox.
MLB will be forced to create a special lottery to determine who gets to play the White Sox the most.
Winner has to take on Benitendi’s contract.
Honest question: How likely is it that the White Sox get a new stadium?
the city elected Lori lightfoot, I wouldn’t be surprised if they sneak in 500 mil for a stadium, it’s monopoly money to them
Great if you like my way or the highway facists. She was no
Politician.
just how in the deepest of blue chicago???
Not likely at this time. We, the taxpayers, don’t have the stomach for paying for another stadium while we’re already paying for other ones and their renovations. Governor JB knows this. Our hope is that the Bears (who also want us to pony up to pay for their stadium) move out to the burbs. Maybe if the Sox pay more for their own crap like the Cubs did, it has a better chance; or if the new casinos bring in a ton of tourists and we pass the taxes off on them like they do in LA, but I doubt that happens unless we can start shaking the reputation that we’re a dangerous city. We’re really not. Most of the reported violence happens in only a few neighborhoods; I live and work in one of those (Back of the Yards) and I don’t live in fear or feel threatened. But Chicago leadership also loves extravagant pet projects that waste money, so there’s at least some hope the stadium appears.
If you took the payment by the government(s), less the present value of all long-term sales tax, how much would it cost you, the tax payer?
I only ask because I doubt the new Yankee Stadium cost the city/state anything, and even if it did, it feels like the cost to me is almost nothing.
It’s a cost to you that you are willing to pay. However, there are many others who don’t care for baseball who forced to pay. Even though I’m a baseball addict, I don’t feel it’s just that the public pays for a private, for profit, enterprise.
The Bears own the Arlington Park site in the northwest suburbs but the NFL club’s president has made it clear he wants Chicago or nothing.
ChiSox would squander any goodwill they have left if they extort politicians for a taxpayer-funded sportsball palace.
I heard neither the Sox or Bears are getting new stadiums, though the McCaskey’s are trying to renovate Soldier Field. Reinsdorf doesn’t need a new stadium to show off to his billionaire buddies. They should rent out a high school field. Those metal bleachers will hold all the fans who come to watch them.
Doubtful, fans are disgusted, and taxpayers have no stomach for another giveaway deal. He was such a poor caretaker of the previous handout stadium, chasing away local businesses and building a parking lot fortress so nobody would cut in on his revenue. He has to know he’s not getting a stadium on that South Loop site, and who would trust him to develop around it with anything but maximum revenue in mind.
This is all a ploy to say “he tried” when he moves the team to Nashville in 2-3 years, he’s following the A’s playbook to the letter, and it’s all not even about him, he’s treating the franchise as a “inheritance maximizer” so his kids make more money when they eventually sell after he’s gone.
I would say cry about it, but it looks like you already are. the city gets to lay in the bed its made
Close to zero because the state has already said absolutely not. Taxpayers are still on the hook for hundreds of millions for the renovations at Guaranteed Rate Field.
You know the old saying about pooping in one hand and wishing in the other?
MLB needs to grant them an expansion draft.
uvm- Funny stuff, followed by a dispersal “draft” where, say 20 players (term used lightly) currently on the Chisox roster can be offloaded (salary commitments and all) to the 20 teams who cry poor the most.
Yeah. The NHL did some funny shenanigans with the Minnesota North Stars in the early 90’s.
White Sox worth almost 2 billion, Please Jerry spend some money and get us back to respectability!!
He did though. He spent more than 12 other franchises this season, six of which have winning records, five of those on track to be in the playoffs. Spending another $50M or more won’t make this team competitive next year.
It’s ok to have a couple of really bad seasons with the ultimate goal of building from within and adding when you’re near or at a level of contention.
The problem with “spend some money” is this…..
The only way they get good to above average free agents is to be the highest bidder. No top 20-25 ranked free agent is coming to the Sox unless the Sox offer the most money. That’s one of the driving forces of free agency. And they Sox are not going there—they can’t.
It seems they learned their lesson with the stupid $72M deal to Grandal and $76M to Benintendi…..(and let those names sink in)….
Nobody of franchise turning talent is coming to the Sox in the near future.
They will continue to dabble in the Robbie Grossman, Paul DeJong shallow end of the pool for a while.
No one understands the concept of “spending is not the issue”.
Fulmer. Collins, Burger, Madrigal, Vaughn, and Crochet are the problem. That’s 6 first-rounders with a combined career bWAR of 11.4.
And that’s with an average draft pick of ~ #8. But it is even worse. If you took the entire draft, from all 6 years, there might be one player (Crochet) capable of playing for a contender.
That’s your problem, not money,
They had something going with Madrigal. He was good offensively and defensively until he got hurt. He hasn’t been the same since. But he could have been the answer at 2B if not for getting hurt. Since he got traded after the 2021 season, we have gone without a quality second baseman.
Exactly, just being a terrible franchise for multiple seasons doesn’t guarantee a positive rebound. There’s the lottery now for highest draft picks. Even more so as a franchise u need to be able to “see” the potential n make wise selections. Need to be able to cultivate those smart picks into mlb players w/your farm system. Need a new attitude n culture throughout organization. Mlb should lean on the bad owners who put out unacceptable product to either pony up or sell team.
Good one, Jack.
Getz was responsible for the miserable farm system, what makes anyone think he can find any competent talent or prospect capital now?
I don’t really see a problem with cutting payroll when the team is such a dumpster fire and nowhere near turning it around. Even if they sign Soto and Burnes, they still probably lose at least 100 games again next year.
The only way players of that caliber sign with the Sox is if they suffered a serious head injury.
Of course, I was simply using the top 2 upcoming FAs to illustrate my point of how far away the White Sox are from being competitive.
What premium free agent would sign with the Sox in 2025 for any price? No kidding the SOX will have a lower payroll, they will be unable to sign anyone to replace the outgoing high salaried players for several years.
The good news, the ownership group will be in best position to sell, expect it sometime in the next year or so.
I’m curious why you think they are in a good position to sell? The franchise value would seemingly be at a pretty low point right now. Add the uncertainty with their stadium lease expiration in 2029 and it seems like an awful time to sell.
Because there’s only 30 of these expensive things to own and the value always goes up. MLB is a very exclusive club to be a member in.
Reinsdorf will do just fine. They paid $20 million for the team in 1981.
Perfect time to sell with very little money on the books, the lowest fan support in decades, and a stadium lease nearly up that could be easily bought out by a new ownership group wanting to move the franchise or used to leverage a new stadium at the 78. The SOX ran a PROFIT of $166M the year AFTER Chris Sale & others were dealt, while next years team could cost $40M less than 2017 to offset attendance cratering, the year after even cheaper.
Add to that, Sox have the best minor league pitching depth in baseball that should arrive by 2026. A relatively quick turn around (2-3 yrs) is possible for a competent ownership group which could never happen with JR at the top, but new owners would believe they could get it done. I’m guessing sale after the end of 2025 season.
MLB has still not figured out how to incentivize good, competitive performances–or to dis-incentivize poor performance. I didn’t say “tanking” for a reason, although there are clearly ownerships that do it. A 40-50-win team in an environment where there are three wildcard teams means in-division teams get a minimum of 6 more games against them. A team that mid-season sells off everything for not much more than salary relief unbalances the schedule for opponents who face them later. Revenue sharing makes some sense, since not every team can be big market, but less so if the receiver isn’t spending it on talent/player development, etc.
The solution is simple enough, but impossible to implement. Divide the revenue from the game equally 30 ways and reward success with higher draft picks and postseason revenue. Then we’d find out which teams are better run because they’d all be equally incentivized to win and have the resources to do so. Of course this will never happen because the revenue rich teams now guarantee the relatively revenue poor teams profitability even when they fail. In fact they reward failure. So what we get should surprise absolutely nobody.
Making sure that the worst teams get the worst picks is likely a disaster.
If every team starts in the same place with resources, why do you imagine rewarding success as being a disaster?
or to dis-incentivize poor performance.
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I’m not sure that can be done. The biggest issue is the cyclical nature of the game. The RS were great in 2018, but also had the highest payroll and the #30 farm. And the prospects that they had needed time to develop.
No matter what you do, there will always be a .400 team. And to make it worse, if you have 3-4 .400 teams, at least one of those rebuilds will fail, and you will be stuck with the WS redux.
No player worth watching is a dumb way to solve a revenue problem.
I appreciate the Sox’s cheap tickets. I was able to see Ohtani, Judge, Soto, and a lot of the games’ greatest players for $6.00, albeit they played on the other teams, but I got to see them nonetheless.
If I were the WS, I’d sign nothing but decent quality RPs, and fringy come-back position players. Some of them will become trade chips, and they certainly won’t win less games. The Fedde, Pham, and DeJong signings were some of the best work the WS have done in several years.
Yes. How sad.
Reinsdorf is 88 years old. The CWS are for sale as we speak and there’s nothing better for a new billionaire owner than to buy a franchise he can build and not saddled with long term debt. Not to mention the potential option of moving said franchise with a stadium lease coming up.
That’ll be the problem with any sale. The next owner coming thru the door will likely be asking for assurances from the city/county of a new stadium. The field is not ancient, but is still approaching 34 years old.
$148M is an insane amount of money to spend on this pile of crap. They could cut it to $95M and still have room to sign four FA in the $10M/yr range, two starting pitchers, an outfielder, and a replacement for Vaughn.
In theory, a roster full of replacement level players will finish 48-114. There’s nowhere to go but up.
Sounds like they’re moving one step closer to The Nashville White Sox. Or The Charlotte White Sox. Or The Vegas White Sox.
Basically a non story here. The white Sox weren’t going to match this years payroll. They can’t buy their way into being a good team.
The other question is who is going to want to manage this mess? I can’t think of anyone with a good managing record wanting to come here and put up with this team. Won’t look good on their record
Could totally see Grady coming back. If it’s truly a rock bottom development effort, he seems the have the right disposition and the kids seem to love him like a school of puppies
Anywhere but to go up for the Wsox after this season.
Burying the lede: why did the Mets have a larger dropoff?
Curse of Don Cooper!!!
Mr. Reinsdorf,sell the team. Organization is being run bad from ownership to front office down to low minors. Ask the southside.