The Mariners’ second-half collapse led to a managerial change, but it doesn’t seem it’ll spur a shakeup at the top of the front office. Ryan Divish and Adam Jude of the Seattle Times report that Mariners’ ownership decided earlier this summer to retain president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto. The report indicates that general manager Justin Hollander — the #2 in baseball operations — will also return.
It seems ownership made the decision not to change the front office at a time when the Mariners looked to be on their way to an AL West title. They got out to a strong start as the Astros and Rangers were struggling and jumped out to a big lead in the American League West. As of June 18, they had a ten-game lead, but things have turned sour since then. They have cooled as the Astros caught fire, so that Seattle now sits 4.5 games behind Houston in the division. It was amid this free fall that Servais was dismissed and replaced by Dan Wilson.
While the circumstances have changed for the worse, Divish and Jude write that Dipoto’s job status is not contingent on the team salvaging a now unlikely playoff berth. The Mariners have never been forthcoming with details on Dipoto’s contract. Divish and Jude suggest the sides might have quietly worked out an extension earlier in the year without announcing it publicly. According to the report, Hollander signed a multi-year extension when he was promoted to GM back in October 2022.
The upcoming season will be Dipoto’s 10th at the helm in Seattle. The M’s have made the playoffs once during his tenure. They snapped a 21-year playoff drought in 2022 and knocked out the Blue Jays in the Wild Card series. They were swept by the Astros in the Division Series. Seattle narrowly missed the postseason last year, ending just behind Houston and the Rangers in a tightly-contested AL West. They finished the season at 88-74.
While the M’s missed the postseason in two of the past three years, they won between 88 and 90 games in each. Expectations were understandably high coming into this season. Seattle has arguably the best starting rotation in the majors. While the front office was seemingly hamstrung by ownership’s payroll constraints that prevented them from making a huge free agent splash, the Mariners acquired Jorge Polanco, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger and Luke Raley in an effort to reshape the offense.
None of Garver, Polanco or Haniger have played up to expectations. Julio Rodríguez has slumped through the worst season of his career. Despite bringing in Randy Arozarena and Justin Turner at the deadline, Seattle’s offense has fallen flat. They entered play Thursday with a .217/.304/.365 team batting line. That’s unacceptable production even in MLB’s toughest home park for hitters. Their fortunes haven’t changed since the deadline. The M’s own a .213/.319/.350 slash going back to July 30.
Today’s win over Oakland pushed the Mariners back above .500 at 71-70. There’s a good chance they land above .500 for the fourth straight season, but a win total in the mid-80s would be an obvious disappointment. They’d need a huge 17-4 finish to match last season’s record. Winning 88 games again would probably have been enough to take the AL West in what has been a down year for the division. They’re very unlikely to get there, though, and they’d need a major slump from the Astros to avoid missing the playoffs again.
To Dipoto’s credit, there are plenty of positives to his tenure. Seattle has been one of the best pitching development organizations in the game. They hit on first-round selections of Logan Gilbert and George Kirby, while mid-round picks Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo have blossomed into high-quality arms. The M’s acquired and extended Luis Castillo while locking up Rodríguez as the face of the franchise on a deal that could span the better part of two decades. Even with Rodríguez’s down year, that’s probably not one the organization regrets.
Nevertheless, the bottom line results have not gotten the team into October with any kind of regularity. They rebuilt early in Dipoto’s tenure — probably the right call considering the team’s payroll outlook and thin farm system at the time — but they’ve been in win-now mode for at least the last four seasons. Barring a late push, they’ll only have one playoff appearance in that stretch.
Dipoto has been the sport’s most aggressive executive on the trade front. They’ll again head into the offseason needing to reshape the lineup. That should portend another trade-heavy winter in Seattle, one they hope will get them past Houston in Wilson’s first full season as manager.
mad1
Clown
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah your orange frizzy hair makes it obvious.
davidk1979
lol!!!!!!!!!
Chester Copperpot
Sell. The. Team.
Gumby82
As an A’s fan, just be happy they’re not overtly trying to lose in order to move the move the franchise
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
The only possible new Mariners owner I’d accept is Bill Gates because he’s got deep pockets and is from the Seattle area (born, raised, and currently living on Mercer Island) so he wouldn’t move the team out of town and maybe would burn some money trying to win a championship. He doesn’t seem even remotely interested in the sportsball business, though.
hllywdjff
No playoffs for another god knows how long!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
It’s gonna take another rebuild if Stanton isn’t willing to pay to get to the playoffs again
yeasties
Did you hear the last Divish interview with Puckett? He cited someone inside the organization saying Dipoto would prefer to rebuild-that’s the part that’s fun to him. Dipoto has no aptitude or interest to do the competing for the playoffs part of the job.
blackyjack
Get real…
case
Did you catch the part implying he worshipped Satan? Wild, man.
Arthur Dent
Yeah, that was Satan worship part was crazy. If only he’d be willing to sell his soul, Seattle would have a World Series Championship.
martevious
Exactly
NoMoreWindowDressing
There’s always next year:)
aragon
Loser!
sea-mari-fan
No, no, no! Dipoto is the main reason why the M’s has too many has-been players.
dannycore
Oh yeah it has nothing to do with the owners 3 years in a row kneecapping the budget at the beginning of the offseason. You know not what you speak of here.
mlb fan
“Budget at the beginning”…I don’t even pretend to follow all the legalities of the ongoing RSN bankruptcy crisis but I’ve gotten all Mariners games on “Root Sports” for over 10+ straight years on my current cable package, which remains unchanged.
And then suddenly last year I no longer get M’s gms or “Root Sports”, unless I move to a higher tier cable package for an extra $30 per month. And it’s not like the price of Comcast services overall hadn’t already increased at least a couple of times during the last 10+ years.
Since I declined the extra $30 monthly I’ve not gotten M’s games this year and can only get out of market games on MLB.TV. I’m sure this has affected M’s revenues since surely I can’t be the only one who declined to upgrade their service.
case
Maybe a little of both are true. Dipoto has made some good trades and the M’s have drafted some good players but he’s definitely fallen short of FA signings that would help the team reach that next level.
martevious
As in: none
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
The budget is the budget, and no GM/PBO in the history of any sport has been able to win a fight to change an owner’s mind on that. However, if you can’t convince your boss to open the checkbook, then you HAVE TO make use of every available resource to build a winning team. The Mariners have a very good farm system with 8 top-100 prospects in it depending on which publication you cite, plus some really solid ones on the edge of those lists. Why not deal Cole Young + extra for a Luis Arraez type? Dipoto would still have 7 other top-100 prospects around despite losing one, and he would have a very solid batter in his prime who doesn’t break the bank. This is my beef with the Mariners front office ever since they started winning some games again. Ownership says “DON’T F-ING SPEND MY MONEY,” but instead of getting creative by swinging blockbuster trades to capitalize on this window of opportunity, he wusses out to tool around with marginal players who have low ceilings and major downside risk.
BPax
I’ve been an M’s fan since day one. DiPoto has done a great job rebuilding the farm system and drafting and developing pitching. It appears he has indeed been constrained by ownership on spending for “big bats.” That can be dicey anyway as Chris Bryant, Story, Baez, Rendon, etc will tell you. Trader Jerry deserves to finish the job he started.
hllywdjff
It shouldnt take 10 plus years to finish a job anyone else would be fired by that time whether it was in a sports related job or not lets get someone who can take Dippys work and get it over the finish line….
Samuel
– I’ve been an M’s fan since day one. DiPoto has done a great job rebuilding the farm system and drafting and developing pitching. It appears he has indeed been constrained by ownership on spending for “big bats.”-
BPax4;
LOL
So “ownership” calls him up and says “Don’t spend money on big bats”?
He has a budget just like every other MLB Baseball Ops head. He puts together a roster of position players and pitchers with the money he has allotted.
hllywdjff
But the players he acquires are terrible so I’m not giving him a pass for the I don’t have the money he’ll I could have done better than him acquiring hitters
NYCityRiddler
Good night nurse! There must be something in the water in the Pacific Northwest. Ahahaha!
Old York
No accountability. If you ran a team into the ground like that, you should be out on your ear before you could say ‘doubleheader.
dannycore
What are you talking about? The team had a badly timed slump and for some reason forgot how to hit. By all accounts Jerry did a total successful rebuild. Last three years 88, 90 and 90 wins. The team is losing no talent in the offseason(including the best starting staff in baseball) has maybe the best farm system(trade ammo) in baseball. That’s not a team that’s run into the ground. It’s a team that’s very very close to being a long term contender. In spite of all the negativity this season, the future has never looked brighter and that’s 100% on dipoto.
Stevil
How many hitters has his developmental team produced?
jaytibbs
Maybe 1 if you count Julio, which tbf, is 1 more than the last 3 regimes have combined.
dannycore
Kyle Lewis RIP, Jrod, Cal, Marte(reds). But the focus was building the pitching staff first. Go look at our top prospect list. After the Hancock draft they switched to high end high school hitters, that takes time to develop and none of them have dropped off. Cole Young and Harry Ford will probably get called up or traded next year. Then a huge wave after that is Colt Emerson, Laz Montes, Michael Arroyo, Johnny Farmelo and Tai Peete. The farm is stacked. Oh yeah and our highest upside prospect Felnin Celestin, can’t forget him. We’ve never had that many quality prospects at once. That’s on Dipoto.
Stevil
Two. The answer is two: Cal and Julio, and Julio is arguably a generational talent.
You can’t count on prospects until they’ve actually arrived and are actually producing. I like a handful of them, but none of the current top prospects are likely going to help next season (Locklear being a possible exception).. I’d also remind you that the gap between the minors and majors is a big one. Most prospects don’t hit the ground running.
Seattle has holes they can’t fill internally, a limited budget, and difficulty luring free agents with the money they are allowed to spend.
So, something has to give. I’m not saying firing Dipoto immediately is the answer, I don’t know what the answer is, but what they’ve been doing isn’t working.
dannycore
I know it’s a big gap. I’m saying we’ve never had a full deck of prospects like that. They don’t need to be good at the majors if you TRADE them before they hit the show. They are valuable right there as they are. I doubt we trade Felnin or Emerson though. Those guys are probably untouchable.
Ma4170
I remember when they had lewis kelenic JRod and everyone was convinced that was an all star OF for years. Seemed like it could have been, but we as fans have unrealistic expectations on how many prospects actually get to upper tier levels. Its not common, which is why teams like the astros and braves have had such a good run. A higher percentage of their higher end guys delivered. Thats rare.
Also, seattle is such a tough park to hit in. Have to have really high end power to deliver there.
NoMoreWindowDressing
Imagine the possibilities of those three having come up to the majors with another team
SodoMojo90
Cole Young is not coming up next year except for possibly a September call up. I don’t know why so many people think he’ll be up next year. He’s only in high A.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
To be fair, if KLew’s knee hadn’t exploded, he was on the path to stardom. Very good 2019-2020 campaigns (small sample size applies). He just couldn’t stay healthy.
Chester Copperpot
Kyle Seager says hello.
Stevil
He wasn’t a Dipoto-era product, but including him gives Seattle 3 over, what, 20 years?
Old York
@dannycore
Bah! Talkin’ about close, are ya? Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not pennant races! You can have all the trade ammo and fancy farmhands you want, but if they can’t get a hit when it counts, what’s the use? Yeah, maybe they scraped together some decent win totals the last few years, but what good’s a rebuild if you’re watchin’ October baseball from the couch? I’ll believe in that ‘bright future’ when they’re hoistin’ a championship trophy. Until then, it’s just a lot of talk and not enough results.
dannycore
My point is that it TAKES TIME to develop these kids and they are all on schedule. They shifted focus to prospect hitters. My original point is that this is evidence that he didn’t run the team into the ground. He’s done an incredible job of setting us up for success and if you look into the future just a touch there’s hope. After 2002ish the team was run into the ground. Old players, bad trades, bad signings and no farm system, that’s what run into the ground looks like. It took Jerry showing up to reverse that. His success is the reason you’re so mad at him, the bar is raised lol let’s fire him. Get out of here lmao
hllywdjff
Why did Baltimore and KC rebuild so much faster than we did? Jerry can move the ball down the field but he won’t be the guy scoring the touchdown. Kim Ng would get us over the top…
Hammerin' Hank
If GMs got fired because their teams weren’t hoisting a championship trophy, then 29 would be losing their jobs every year.
bwood
When all the top hitting prospects are up Cal/Castillo will be gone and 3 of the starters will be starting in NY, LA & ARI.
Then it will be “Now we just have to wait for Jerrys top pitching prospects to come up to help the still lackluster hitting”
The “TAKES TIME” is fine but Jerry needs to supplement the roster in the mean time to win the WS.
Obviously he cant sign those supplemental players, regardless of the reason.
martevious
Exactly…we need hitters now!
hllywdjff
Don’t forget there are alot if guys in line for a raise next year Cal Julio Logan George plus being saddled with garver castillo and haniger contracts…Will have zero money for improvements will have to trade a starter for bats….
dannycore
We have to trade anyways. Just go look at the FA list. It’s Soto then an epic dropoff to mediocrity
hllywdjff
Then show the fans you want to win and sign Soto they have the money and as you see they get 40k a night when they win so Stanton will make his beloved money back
Ma4170
I could see a few teams willing to take on the Castillo contract. He’s still a plus pitcher and I would think could maintain it 2-3 more years.
martevious
Julio is already signed for a long time. He isn’t in line for a raise.
Chester Copperpot
Julio gets an $8M raise next year… it’s in said contract.
Fever Pitch Guy
Danny – Royals have the best starting rotation.
Look at Park Factor, M’s have the 10th-worst Road ERA in MLB. Look at the Home/Road splits of their starters.
Hammerin' Hank
Nobody believes that the Royals have the best rotation in baseball.
Fever Pitch Guy
Hank – Numbers matter.
Performance matters.
The Royals statistically have the best starters in MLB if you take into consideration home/road splits.
EnglishM
Aside from statistically (look at the FIPs), value based on age/contract and durability I’d almost be inclined to agree with you.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“The best starting staff in baseball” ? measured by ERA they are #1 overall, but when you split home games and away games, they are #21 in away games.’
The home stadium would appear to be a major contributor to their numbers.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
FWIW: Mariners pitching is 1st in ERA, 1st in Quality Starts, 1st in fewest BB allowed, 1st in fewest hits allowed, 1st in fewest ER allowed, Lowest Batting Average allowed, and 1st in WHIP. I mean, regardless of how you slice it or dice it, that’s not nothing. I would take that any day of the week. Now let’s not discuss anything batting related lol. You can have all the league leading pitching stats in the world but if you can’t hit you are a .500 team.
Old York
Bah! Kneecapped or not, a team’s got no business treadin’ water if they wanna win! Back in my day, you built a team from grit, not excuses. You think anyone cared about fancy contracts or free agents? No sir! You found a way, and you fought tooth and nail to the top! These fellas today? Always got some reason why they ain’t winnin’. Well, excuses don’t win ballgames!
proton
BAH Why has NY not won a thing in years? Your team didn’t build anything by grit they did it by spending more than everyone. That is not building a team it is buying. You drafts are mediocre and development is the same. Yankee fans wouldn’t know what building a team looked like if it slapped them in the face. It is like the kid with a rich daddy who gets the brand new car and beats it because daddy will buy a new one. Compared to the kid who works saves and scrapes enough money to buy his own car. It is not as nice but the poorer kid appreciates his car and takes care of it. I am pissed that Stanton pulled the money doesn’t matter speech then won’t spend money to win. It is all about profit not winning.
myaccount2
Ran the team into the ground? You mean completely revamped an old roster with no farm into the best, young rotation in baseball with a top 5 farm? I swear, some of you comment on teams without knowing a single thing about them.
dannycore
Team do bad ooga booga
Fire management team that 100% turned around the franchise because of a speed bump year in spite of having a good young roster and a super solid plan for long term success ooga booga
FIRE THEM ALL LETS REBUILD AGAIN OOGABOOGA
That’s pretty much how I read these moronic posts about firing Dipoto
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Jerry might rebuild man because we aren’t winning 54% of our games…
Tbh id rather rebuild now and become the orioles in 2028 instead of being a mediocre team seeing our young core leave in free agency
myaccount2
I highly doubt we rebuild. The fan base would revolt completely if we went through another rebuild with the young, controllable talent and after one down year following three straight seasons of 88+ win ball.
Hammerin' Hank
This Mariners team is set up for success. Their starting pitching is top-notch and they could easily win 90+ games next year with bounceback seasons from guys like J-Rod. There is no need to fire DiPoto. You know you’re dealing with major budgetary constraints when you have to trade Kelenic just to get rid of a relatively small contract like Marco’s.
hoof hearted
Run it into the ground?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Did you guys notice Julio turned into Jerred Kelenic this year? (Well their statlines are nearly identical lol).
Old York
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Guy’s cooked.
Ma4170
Definitely a big step back for julio this year. Lets see if he bounces back. A ton of talent, but he’s starting to look more like Albies level than Witt level. Maybe he can turn that around.
martevious
The M’s haven’t been run into the ground. Are they an all around good team? I don’t know where their batting averages sit right now, but a few weeks ago the team average of .216 would have placed in the bottom 5 of all time, but they certainly haven’t been run into the ground!
rxbrgr
54 percent, baby!!
Stevil
Bavasi, Zduriencik, Dipoto….
Whatever. It’s been a lot of the same for a lot of years. It really feels like Seattle is always playing a step behind. I suppose much of that is on ownership, but teams with lower payrolls have had more success (Minnesota, Tampa, Milwaukee, etc.).
Seattle needs to overhaul their infield, get a new DH, backup catcher, arguably a corner outfielder for depth, and strengthen their BP/BP depth.
Lots of work to do. I really hope fans don’t see more spaghetti experiments.
dannycore
Dude the central teams don’t have to deal with high payroll division opponents. Or ones that have made the alcs like 8 years in a row. It’s not an even playing field. They all just play leapfrog for first in the division.
Stevil
The Twins are about to make the postseason for the fifth time in eight seasons. They also have World Series titles. You can mock the AL Central all you want, but I’d argue the Twins are a better team than Seattle and the AL West is hardly a respectable division this season.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
No s$$$ the twins are better, they are going to the playoffs
Stevil
I cited the Twins, among others, as an example of a team with a consistently lower payroll, stating they have had more success. That’s called the present perfect. I wasn’t just singling out this season.
Samuel
Stevil;
For years he ALW has been a weak division. It’s basically been the Astros – a great organization. Last year the Rangers spent a lot and won a championship. This year they’re back to being the Rangers. The Mariners are a bit better than the Angels and A’s that go around in circles.
The money in America is on the 2 coasts. How much MLB Central teams can spend in salaries is reflective of that. Yet the Central teams overall have been better than the ALW most years of the past 10-15 – minus the Astros.
I’ve never thought the Mariners were that good a team, and ignore their hot streaks (almost all teams have some over the course of a season). They have a few stars here and there. Fine. MLB is team game – a few players on a team don’t win the team championships.
The latest nonsense in taking a semi-broadcaster / ex-player that hangs around the team and making him the manager with no prior coaching experience, reminds me of then the White Sox took Ken Harrrelson out of the broadcasting booth and made him the GM. A panic move that was a complete disaster. No quality MLB organization does something like this.
Dipoto continues in circles.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Twins payroll is only $15 million less than the Mariners this season, for what it’s worth,
Samuel
dannycore;
Easy solution…..
Continue to have less of a percentage of games between teams in their own division as happened this year. More of a balanced schedule.
Of course, the Rays and Orioles – 2 small market teams – have done very well the past few years in the ALE…with 3 large market teams.. The D-Backs went to the WS last year
in the NLW. The Angels have sucked for years in the ALW, and they spend lots of money.
Maybe if Mr. Dipoto put together balanced teams instead of throwing so many resources on pitchers when his team plays home games in a pitchers park, they’d do better.
Why is it that fans of every team that underperforms – often for years at a time – always claims the owners aren’t spend-
ing enough money? Probably because they have no clue how winning teams are put together.
proton
So many resources into pitching. You do realize that 4 of our starters are draft picks that were developed through the minors. They have done a great job developing the pitching staff. They also have another Hancock who would be in the majors on many teams.
Their BP is not full of high priced pitching. They find guys they like turn them around and have a great BP. Injuries have killed us this year but the pen is still pretty good.
When Stanton bought the team he said money would not be an issue. I guess what he meant is making money will not be an issue. We will make it but not spend it.
Samuel
proton;
Yes…..
And he’s paying them so much they’re eating into the money they can spend on position players.
martevious
They made a profit of $70 mil last year. They could spend if they wanted to. They don’t want to.
hllywdjff
Complete infield rebuild a DH and backup catcher we should be good bullpen wise when Brash and Santos come back maybe sign a RP in free agency but the infield is the biggest issue to me by far…
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
This type of ownership structure should probably be outlawed in the MLB. When you have (I don’t know) 15 separate investors or whatever it is, the franchise acts more like an index fund with a goal of dependable, reliable returns than a sports franchise whose sole purpose is to win. How do you get the urgency, the will to win, the fluid decision making when you have a dozen investors each owning 7% of the franchise? Can’t happen. Are any other MLB teams ran in the same manner as the M’s, with so many investors? Maybe the Giants, could be others. MLB shouldn’t allow these sort of ownership structures.
Saint Nick
Yikes.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
It’s about time for Jerry to make a high profile win-win blockbuster trade with Jed Hoyer’s Cubs to ensure that both teams have new invigorated fanbases as their teams storm out to 86 wins and a game short of the playoffs yet again in 2025.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Jerry does tons of small trades instead of one big trade that’s why it’s musical chairs every season
kylegocougs
Of course. He’s been wildly profitable as President. He’s probably a top 15 exec too. I have no faith Stanton could hire better
yunieskyichiro
Great evaluator of young talent, but SUCKS at evaluating MLB talent. Everyone points to Castillo, but there wasn’t a single evaluator out there that thought he wasn’t a stud.
And that staff is good, but not great. Look at their splits. They’re great at home for the same reason the hitters suck at home; nobody can hit in their park. Team ERA is over a run higher on the road, and K/9 is almost half.
myaccount2
The relief pitching brings down the road ERA. Check the splits and sort by RP then by SP. The relievers were 28th in road ERA last week. No Brash all season, no Santos for 97% of the season. The SP were 9th in road ERA last week.
hoof hearted
Bring back Gino and tom murphy. Sign sewald. Brash will be back mid season? Get Nico from cubs- gold glove, low k hitter
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
BOOOOO!!! JERRY WOULDVE BEEN FIRED BY MOST FRANCHISES BY NOW
yeasties
The Mariners care about profit, not winning. And all signs suggest they are handsomely profitable.
Fever Pitch Guy
Yeast – $76M profit last year, good for 2nd-highest in MLB.
Winning is clearly not a priority to them, just like in Boston.
64' Yanks
Jerry must be related to Cashman!
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Ain’t no way Dipoto’s handing out 10/400 to Aaron Judge. He’s too chicken to spend more than like 22M a year on a player, even with a big budget. During his Angels tenure Arte Moreno struck all the deals.
JoeBrady
Did the owner give him permission to spend the $400M?
SodoMojo90
It’s the Yankees. They spend whatever they want. You act like $400M for 10 years for Aaron Judge is too much for the Yankees. That’s nothing to them.
good vibes only
God I love the minor league development system Dipoto has built but this guy and this ownership group are just as toxic now as they were during the Kevin Mather era. Zero leadership and it shows in their actions/lack of professionalism and it shows in the win column.
SkipperLou
Thanks, we needed a Mariners related post just so we had a place to bit@h about them.
SadMsFan
Seattleites definitely like getting screwed, and are likened to mindless animals. If Seattleites only had self control and a sense of self-worth-of dignity. Fans need to go on a break from the Mariners until the Mariners get their act together, learn what “winning” means and actually want it. And of course a part of the Mariners are big on pitching which is great, but we need the Mariners to want to score. Currently they are the best in the league at striking out. But I mean, anyone can strike out! If I could get paid millions to strike out, I’d love dating!
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Lol I stopped watching the Mariners after that 18 inning snooze fest in the 2022 playoffs when nobody could buy a damn run for essentially two whole games’ worth of play, until Houston finally completed the sweep. I cut the cord, and now I roll my spare money into going to every heavy metal show I can. It’s a way more pleasant experience getting beat to hell moshing in a venue that smells like unwashed armpit, farts, and stale cat piss than watching the Mariners strike out 573938 times a night.
DodgersBro
JKBC
You know, it’s perfectly fine to like something more than baseball.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Tell that to half the people on here
dh4all
That was Servais all the way. He was a rookie manager that never really got any better. Maybe the Mariners will improve now that they have Dan Wilson. JD has proven he should be let go as well.
Zissou
Patience has been a crap virtue for Mariners fans… But a virtue that is about to find fruition. 2025 “should” begin a strong run for this team (who isn’t actually out of it yet).
McGrundle
It’s been 38 years without any worthwhile success and they are still one of the most profitable teams in the MLB. What about that shows a lack of patience from the fanbase?
Zissou
Not what I am saying… I’m saying be patient has been crap, but believe it’s about to pay off.
McGrundle
Ah, I get it. I agree as a fanbase, they don’t put the pressure on the team that it deserves. Same with local media.
MartialArtisan
McGrundle,
What you said exactly. The last time I saw the fan base put any kind of pressure on ownership was the campaign to get Bill Bavasi fired. Seattle Media is definitely team friendly. There hasn’t been any real criticism of them since Geoff Baker was the Seattle Times beat reporter. Ryan Divish is a good reporter but refrains from getting his hands dirty much. I’d like to see The Athletic do an investigative series on ownership, their refusal to open the books and stuff like that. As for the stadium why can’t they close the roof when the weather is cold and put up plexiglass panels on the open sides to limit the Marine layer effect? Yes, it would cost money but I’m sure they’d find a way to get taxpayers to fund it.
McGrundle
Remember the paper bags? That was as angry as I ever saw Mariner fans.
MartialArtisan
Bagheads yeah I remember. Maybe I’ll have to pull mine out of the closet. Put a 54% on it.
bwood
U guys talkin about the “clear bag policy”?
Can I bring my fanny pack, alligator skin stash belt and my penis shaped hidden flask?
McGrundle
No, the year the fans wore paper bags on their heads at the games. BUT, your penis shaped flask would be fine in Seattle. All about inclusion.
martevious
Are you being sarcastic? How is this team going to start a strong run in 2025? If they don’t get some guys that can hit, they will be going the same place as always: nowhere.
Zissou
They have a slew of prospects near ready… That and YES, add a bat or two in the off-season. How are they NOT ready for a run in 2025? The pitching will be intact… The offense literally CAN’T get worse. 99% of the league would expect Julio to bounce back better.
bwood
They have a couple of prospects near ready for a Sept call up in 2025.
Then they have a couple of prospects near ready for a Sept call up in 2026.
They have a slew of prospects NOT ANYWHERE near ready for a 2025 Opening Day Roster Spot.
American high school prospects need 1000-1500 PA for a median WAR of 15.4 during his cost controlled years.
For an American collage prospect to achieve a median WAR of 12.8 during his cost controlled years he needs about 500 less PA.
International prospects need about the same number of PA as the high school prospect but only for a median WAR of 4.8.
As far as I know 1B Tyler Locklear(15th), 2B Ryan Bliss(13th) & LF Spencer Packard(28th) are currently the only “top” prospects in AAA.
Is that the slew of prospects you are putting your money on for the 2025 Seattle Mariners “run” (to the bottom ha)?
If, when actually, Julio has to try to “do it all” next yr for this team to score runs, he will be exactly the same Julio as this yr.
And what makes you think adding a bat or two in the off-season will help? You already know what kind of off-season bat will be added. Near over the hill and on the decline w/ limited defensive ability/flexibility.
How are they READY for a run in 2025?
LDilbert
The offense doesn’t suck because Jerry. Move in the fences and a firmer base under turf . Offense fixed! T mobile ruins the players stats in the spring and then they try and play catchup the rest the year.
Jerry is alright, If operating at 150million I hope he
Trades Haniger, Garver, Crawford
Extend Cal Raleigh, Logan Gilbert
Bring up
C Harry Ford
SS Cole young
SP Emerson Hancock
3B Colt Emerson
good vibes only
Ya’ll need to just stop about the ‘move in the fences’ nonsense. Look at their home and away splits. Why would we handicap their strength?
hllywdjff
Great at home sucking on the road equals a .500 team let’s help our hitters at home and maybe the pitching will still hold up. We have nothing to lose by trying something new…What would we lose? No playoffs? Oh yeah we don’t make them anyways…
McGrundle
How much closer do we need the fences? Already brought them in 10 feet in the alleys, 5 feet in center, and basically 15 feet in the area between center and the left center power alley.
hllywdjff
325 down the lines 375 in the power alleys and 400 to dead center. Nice and symmetrical…
hllywdjff
I’m reading an article from 2013 when they moved the fences in and it says since 2000 the mariners have scored the fewest runs and have the lowest batting average at home of any team in the american league. So basically, this franchise has sucked at hitting at T-Mobile for basically 24 years for the most part, short of a few years i’m sure they were pretty decent… Turn the damn thing into a softball field lol
DodgersBro
hlly
“I’m reading an article from 2013 when they moved the fences in and it says since 2000 the mariners have scored the fewest runs and have the lowest batting average at home of any team in the american league. So basically, this franchise has sucked at hitting at T-Mobile for basically 24 years”
No. From 2000 through 2012, the Mariners’ home wRC+ was 95. A bit below average but it didn’t “suck” (though that’s a very vague term).
From 2013 until now they have a 102 wEC+, slightly above average – so, again, not “sucking”
In total since 2000 they have a 98 wRC+ since 2000. Just a notch below average.
hllywdjff
Still AVERAGE. Not acceptable being the only team to never go to a world series and we are one of the 10 richest cities in baseball based on average yearly income people will spend money to see a winner not an AVERAGE team!
hllywdjff
I’m sure you saw the caveat that i put in there that short of a few years where they were pretty decent.
DodgersBro
hlly
“Still AVERAGE”
Correct. Not sucking
McGrundle
Is that so Blue Jays fans can wax nostalgic about the days that skydome had the same dimensions?
MartialArtisan
Who the heck is going to trade for any of those 3? Crawford might get you something but not much. No other team values him like Jerry does.
LDilbert
Our hitters are good hitters but crappy park conditions are obviously causing major struggles
Crawford contract is movable, change leadership by moving him. He was soured by moving servais/France
Haniger you package with a prospect and a cheap decent relief pitcher we made relevant
Castillo has good stuff but always gets rocked for 3-6 runs and then gets complimented on pitching into the 7th and “saving’ the bullpen. Above average at giving up homeruns, Move in the fences and he’s screwed. if without his hair I feel he is just plan average.. Move him for a couple greatyoung pitching prospects and give his pay to Gilbert
A easy pickup with little risk/long term investment that fits in this 2 yr window is a1+1 /24m 1B Goldschmidt , Raley at 1B feels a little like fools gold. Although the speed that is a nice asset at 1B. Let Raley play the matchups at different positions.
2025
Rf Robles
Cf Julio
C Raleigh
Lf Arozerena
1B Goldschmidt
Dh Garver
2B Polo
Ss Cole Young
3B Colt Emerson
Raley, Harry Ford, Moore, Rojas
MartialArtisan
Not a bad lineup maybe if Edgar stays on as hitting coach. Not confident at all in Garver tho. I wish they’d go after Soto but I know that’s a pipe dream.
SodoMojo90
Emerson and Young? Neither will be up next year.
gold masters
Watching the angel games this year is like watching ground hog day with bill murray. Same thing almost every game, 7 innings and no runs.
Usually whomever scores first will win.
They need run producers.
The angels need to re sign drury.
Regardless of what moves the angels make, they will win World Series in 2025.
On February 27, 2024 I dreamnt “remember the titans”.
Washington has united the team..
3rd time is the charm for Ron w.
He was in two World Series with the rangers, back to back, and one out away from World Series win until he wasn’t .
I also dreamnt that a rookie hit two, two run homers in one game.
When this happens in 2025, you will know that remember the titans is a reality.
Remember the 02 angels.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Dipoto’s perfect for the Mariners ownership. He’s good at building a .500-540ish team without going too far over 140-150 million dollars in annual payroll. Keeps the team “in the hunt,” where they *could* get in the playoffs occasionally, and also avoids doing massive deals/trades that annihilate the farm system/ridiculously mid budget. As long as they average about 25-30k tickets sold per home game, they’ll keep it going with him.
Samuel
“He’s good at building a .500-540ish team without going too far over 140-150 million dollars in annual payroll.”
Jarred Kelenic’s Beer Can;
Ahhh, my point….
Seattle – $147.5m
Minnesota – $131m
KC – 121m
Milwaukee – $115m
Baltimore – $108.5m
Cleveland – $106.5m
Tampa Bay – $88.8m
It’s not the money. It’s how the money is spent. Jerry has always been awful with the budgets he’s given. Overpays guys that do well, then doesn’t have money to fill in his weak spots. Can’t plan ahead. Just tear it down….rebuild….rinse….repeat. OH LOKKIE LOOKIE -= Jerry is making trades from hospital bed! Remarkable!!!!
BaseballisLife
Why?
SeattleKurt
Whatever, the difference between this team making the playoffs (much less making a deep run) is not ANYONE in the Front Office. As long as ownership prioritizes profit over winning (Ms have been the MOST profitable team in MLB for years) they will never get to the World Series. Where would this team be had ownership been willing to make $5m versus $80m per season and put that $75m into improving this roster?!? The owners who truly want to win prove it by their willingness to break even OR actually put money into the team every year.
MartialArtisan
SeattleKurt,
I won’t dispute much of that, but I would point out that Jerry’s success rate on trades isn’t great. His timing on some trades has backfired like Paul Sewald, Kendall Graveman. He and his staff struggle to develope hitters. The analytics staff hasn’t succeeded in anything on the hitting side. He’s given out some unnecessary and bad contracts, like Evan White’s. Yet Jerry still sees himself as the smartest guy in the room.
Billg7987
I don’t think their problem is personnel. He makes a lot of good trades and, on paper, it looks like the offense should be ok. I think the problem is coaching. That’s ultimately on Dipoto.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Why was Ty France given up on? His results were frustrating I guess but he has/had alot of company. His strikeouts weren’t excessive. His age 30. Salary about 7M. Was his defense that bad? Was he a scapegoat?
I can read his statistics but have not seen the games to make an “Eye Test” evaluation I realize he’s not Freddie Freeman I thought he was a useful player. Any thoughts from SEA fans and others
The trades for Arozarena and Turner could have helped capture a WC if they had been on the team earlier (I can’t really judge the future potential of the players they traded away)
An approach from teams with a smaller budget (like CLE, KC, MIL, MIN) seems to be working with results from PIT and CIN(major injuries) less So, So Far.
Some top prospects require more patience before things really “click”
e.g. Holliday, Torkelson. Some times patience CAN pay off.
Many fans have a short term, knee jerk and want instant results.
MLB is competitive, humbling and a major mental challenge to remain positive despite 70% of failure – for hitters anyway
JoeBrady
France has been weak since the start of 2023.
MafiaBass
If they’re looking for a left-handed bat, they should call the Red Sox
hllywdjff
Duran and ? for Castillo…
JoeBrady
It would have to be for Castillo and ?. Duran has developed, at long last, with 4 control years left. Castillo is very good, but he has 3+1 years left at $24M per. I would just keep Duran and use the $24M on a FA SP.
ClevelandSteelEngines
A major concern when everyone’s hitting regresses doesn’t mean Dipoto isn’t responsible, however, he’s taken steps in-season to address it. They fired the hitting coach in the spring. Clear issues were not getting resolved. So, he went further in, firing Servais was a very big elevation.
Since then, there has been some positive results. Of American league teams, they have the best OBP since Aug. 23rd (.345) and have scored the most runs (69) that we saw culminate with 16 runs verse Oakland on the 4th. Their approach has them taking more walks (12%) and seems to be translating.
good vibes only
I agree with that. The biggest problem is the team absolutely sucks on the road.
Slider_withcheese
Only a matter of time before the Mariners join the more than 2000 other businesses that have left Seattle since 2020.
hllywdjff
I see people saying boycott games and dont spend money well that could backfire because the idiots that own the team will say sorry we had to sell to a group from Nashville because we were losing money…I hate these owners and dont trust them for a second and could see them doing something slimy like that
JoeBrady
MLB wouldn’t allow it, but the ownership of any business would relocate if customers stopped coming.
Plus they are 13th in attendance and maybe 16-17 in spending. It feels a little cheap, but their spending is on par with their attendance.
JoeBrady
Some of this is on the players, particularly JRod. But it still feels like he didn’t do enough to upgrade the offense. They probably needed a new 1B, 2B, 3B, and RF (after the Teoscar trade). I don’t see anything added to upgrade the offense.
hllywdjff
They need a complete infield (a good one) by next spring training not Rojas Moore Polanco and Turner thats a AAAA infield at best…Good luck Jerry finding replacements without giving up your vaunted PROSPECTS
shyzer
Mariners fans seem to love breezing over Dipoto’s major accomplishments while laser focusing on his misses.
I’m thrilled he’s getting at least another year to see his plan through.
hllywdjff
He misses all the time!!! Other than about 5 pitchers and maybe Julio and Cal what has he done in 9 years other than piss people off?
shyzer
Castillo trade, Castillo contract, drafting Kibry, Gilbert, Woo, Miller, Cal & all the prospects we both traded and still have, Munoz trade, Munoz contract, Brash trade, Geno acquisition, Julio signing, Julio contract, JP trade, Randy trade, made a legit run with the inheirited old team in 2018, full roster rebuild in only 3 years, consistently built a great bullpen for pennies.
All off the top of my head. People always point out his misses while completely ignoring his hits.
Not the real Sports Pope
I don’t see how ownership can bring him back, Dipoto has had multiple attempts at rebuilding this team. Most front offices only get 1 shot to do it not 3.I don’t get the hype on him he’s never won anything as a player or executive.
nonchalanto
Good.
hllywdjff
JP is garbage Randy doesn’t want to be here Geno hit .215 Brash may never be the same Julio may not be the star they gave 270 million to..Bottom line is they aren’t getting to the playoffs just like they were before Dippy…
Zippy the Pinhead
Jerry only knows how to rebuild from scratch. He’s proven to be pretty good at that. But he’s lousy at taking the next step, regardless of the cheapness of the profitable owners. And he clearly likes sycophants, otherwise he would have done an actual search for a new manager instead of getting another cheap rookie manager with ties to the good old days. To get hitters (with this ballpark’s reputation) the overpay would have to be crazy. Santander might take a 5/120 contract from other teams, but to come to this hitter’s stadium of doom (and travel way more than any other team), they’d have to pay 5/200. Not happening. Make the stadium smaller by moving home plate 15 feet toward center, which might help with the batter’s eye as well. But stop this nonsense about it not being JD’s fault. It totally is
LDilbert
The players are over swinging in T-Mobile
Juiced ball era is the only time it diminished t mobile effects. Pretty fun right? Move in the fences
C Us Sink
Hard to understand how he can keep his job. He’s had nine years and gotten the team to playoffs one time. Although, with our apathetic ownership, retaining the puppet, yes man, doesn’t surprise me. Sell the team Stanton. It’s the only way this team will ever achieve success with an owner who really wants success.