The Giants’ six-year, $151MM extension for third baseman Matt Chapman marked a departure from the organization’s reluctance to commit to players on long-term deals under president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi, though perhaps there’s an explanation for that. Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic reports that Giants ownership was “frustrated” by the lack of progress in talks between Zaidi and Chapman’s agent, Scott Boras, and intervened. Franchise icon Buster Posey, who bought a minority stake in the team in 2022 and is one of six members on the board of directors, took a lead role in the talks and negotiated the framework of the deal with Chapman himself, according to Baggarly. Readers are highly encouraged to check out the piece in full, as it contains a slew of details on the unusual nature of the Chapman negotiations.
Posey personally taking on such a prominent role in a franchise-altering negotiation is a potentially damning indictment on Zaidi’s status within the organization. The sixth-year president of baseball operations signed an extension just last year, but what was originally reported as a three-year contract has since been revealed to be a two-year contract covering the 2024-25 seasons and containing what’s effectively a club option for the 2026 season.
It’s not clear that the pair of reports, which surfaced within a week of one another, is evidence that Zaidi is on the proverbial hot seat. At the same time, it seems fair to infer — particularly in light of the revelation regarding his contract — that he’s not on quite as steady ground as it may have seemed even a few weeks ago. Giants ownership has publicly backed Zaidi whenever given the opportunity, but Posey’s prominent role in Chapman’s extension only raises questions of potential dissatisfaction. The Giants won’t be reaching the postseason this year, and they’re tracking toward what would be a fifth losing season in six under Zaidi’s tenure.
While the end result is the same regardless of who’s negotiating the contract, the journey to that agreement is notable. Maybe this was just a one-off where the board felt Posey, as a former player, could appeal directly to a player he’s gotten to know over the course of the current season. If things have reached the point where ownership has genuinely lost faith in Zaidi’s vision and/or his ability to close deals, that would be a far more alarming development and likely the portent for a change of note in the front office.
It’s worth noting, of course, that the Giants have signed plenty of free agents under Zaidi’s watch (MLBTR Contract Tracker link). The majority have been short-term pacts, however. The Giants let successfully rehabilitated pitchers like Kevin Gausman and Carlos Rodon walk rather than pay market price for either pitcher. (The latter decision seems wise; the former is regrettable.) They pursued Bryce Harper in free agency but reportedly stopped just $20MM or so short of Harper’s eventual contract with the Phillies. A pursuit of Aaron Judge ultimately only served to drive up the price for the Yankees, who kept their homegrown star. A massive 13-year deal with Carlos Correa was scuttled when the Giants raised concerns about Correa’s physical.
Center fielder Jung Hoo Lee (six years, $113MM) is the only free agent the Giants have signed for more than Jordan Hicks’ four years or more than Blake Snell’s $62MM guarantee. The aversion to long-term deals has certainly kept the Giants’ payroll outlook clean, but the results on the lower-cost free agent deals made have frequently failed to pan out. Mitch Haniger and Jorge Soler both signed three-year deals and were both dumped in salary-driven trades before the second season of said contracts commenced. Tommy La Stella was released two years into a three-year contract. The Giants dumped the final season of Anthony DeSclafani’s three-year deal on the Mariners along with Haniger. The second season of Ross Stripling’s two-year deal was sent to the A’s in a salary dump deal. Michael Conforto has been a roughly league-average bat over the life of his two-year, $36MM deal. Smaller-scale two-year deals for Luke Jackson (dumped along with Soler) and Tom Murphy have backfired.
Zaidi undoubtedly built plenty of goodwill with home-run signings of Gausman, Drew Smyly, Derek Holland and (the first time) DeSclafani. Low-cost pickups of Mike Yastrzemski, LaMonte Wade Jr., Joc Pederson, Darin Ruf, Donovan Solano and Thairo Estrada (among others) have also been unmitigated successes. But many of those early success stories have since moved on, while others have seen their effectiveness fade. And the recent low-cost acquisitions haven’t had the same level of impact on the organization, while the farm has seen several top prospects stall out.
All of that is vital context when trying to ascertain what the Chapman report signals for Zaidi and his future with the organization. Zaidi himself downplayed the scenario to Baggarly, suggesting he and ownership worked “in sync” and telling Baggarly that ownership involvement is to be expected on a contract of this magnitude. That’s true, broadly speaking, though ownership circumventing both the front office and the player agent to hammer out a deal is not typical business.
Given the Giants’ likely interest in keeping Snell — another Boras client — the manner in which the Chapman deal came together is all the more intriguing. The Boras Corporation also represents a significant number of free agents this offseason: Juan Soto, Corbin Burnes, Alex Bregman, Pete Alonso, Yusei Kikuchi, J.D. Martinez, Nick Martinez, Sean Manaea and Tyler O’Neill are among the most notable Boras clients that could be on the market this winter (as can be seen in MLBTR’s Agency Database).
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The giants better retire that number, he’s affecting the organization when he plays, and when he doesn’t
mrmackey
Is Posey a future HOF’er?
Joe says...
I’d say yes. Brian Kenny did a pretty good analysis on him some time back and comped him to Thurman Munson. I know Munson isn’t in but he should be and I think if ge were on the writer’s ballot today, he would make it.
mrmackey
Yeah he was who I was thinking of when I asked. They should both get in I think.
Rishi
I agree he’s a HOFer. Brian Kenny….the guy who thinks Jimmy Rollins is a HOFer. Tho the best argument he could make (which I don’t think he did) is that the steroid era numbers drag down non-steroid players league adjusted stats. So 47 WAR may very well be well over 50 in a fair environment. I digress…again.
mlb fan
“Rollins is a Hofer”…Talking head, media elite Brian Kenny has never met a man he couldn’t promote as “worthy” of the “Hall of Fame”.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
If utley makes the hall then Rollins and Ryan Howard will
Because the standard would be much lower if someone like utley got in
And I liked utley as a player
Jean Matrac
If Utley then Maybe Rollins, but certainly not Howard. Too many SOs (the Phillies sat him in 2007 because he had K’d 199 times, and they didn’t want the season total to be over 200). A 1B with only a 125 OPS+, and only 14.7 bWAR is severely wanting for induction.
Rishi
Utley was better than Rollins and Howard. Howard had the monster seasons but was a horrible baserunners and all time bad fielder. Rollins wasnt even as good as Furcal but Furcal had his career cut short. Only managed 7 more WAR in like 3000 more ab. Nobody thought Furcal was a HOFer.
Jean Matrac
Rishi, Yeah, I agree. Utley was better than Rollins. Utley is a marginal for induction, which would mean Rollins should fall short. But if Jeff Kent isn’t HoF worthy, not sure Utley is.
Br857
Yes
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
If Joe mauer gets in first ballot then posey absolutely gets in
Even before Joe posey is a hofer
DarrenDreifortsContract
No. He was good but not great and his MVP season wasn’t anything special.
Datashark
how many Catchers pulled off seasons like that? not much and they are in HOF – without Posey SF does not get to WS x3
spliffTONE
@DarrenDreifortsContract: Imagine my surprise to see that this clueless comment was written by someone with a Dodgers player as their avatar
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
What has mauer done that posey had not? On top of 3 rings? Play meh first base?
User 576253516
“What has Mauer done that Posey had not”
Be a HOF-caliber baseball player
Mauer also won Gatorade PoY in Minnesota during his senior year of HS. Where’s Posey’s Minnesota HS football accolades? Oh wait…
Gerald also ruined plays at the plate because he didn’t drink enough milk and thus had the bone density of a mere hummingbird
FemboySportsFan!
FFF
the dumbest thing I’ve read in quite a while
Pete'sView
FletcherFanForever69 —
Truly, if all your posts are this witless (and they seem to be piling up) maybe you should find another pastime.
User 576253516
When did realize you were attracted to children?
Datashark
Honestly, I got a good chuckle out of that post.
It was surely made in jest.
case
Yes, and then some. That sort of offensive production out of the catcher position + world series dynasty = first ballot.
letitbelowenstein
In this soft generation, anyone with an at-bat or a mound appearance should be in the HOF.
raregokus
God will you please shut up
ohyeadam
A lifetime catcher with his stats, hardware and postseason success gets in easy
flyinhawaiian
The way it should be depending upon the circumstances of player and organization. Former player (who happens to be in ownership) wants current player extended so he makes sure it happens! Nice story
mikemcsaudi
The giants are a mess. I wouldn’t sign Chapman for one year let alone six!
oldgfan
Cool.
You wouldn’t and can’t.
You know, seeing how you have no team or money to speak of.
njbirdsfan
It’s good to know there are always people in the world like yourself who make it their mission to enrich billionaires at everyone else’s expense.
oldgfan
Or maybe just a fan who doesn’t like folks calling their team a mess. But carry on with your take on my mission?
metalhead
I agree. Remember back in March when Giants fans thought they won the world series because they signed Chapman? What happened? They are maybe if they are lucky a .500 team with or without him.
AndyWarpath
Yeah…only a fool would sign a 1 year deal for a 6 WAR player!
runningwithnailclippers
A lot of fans only look at batting average and do not consider anything else like his defensive prowess at a tough fielding position. I wish the Reds could have gotten that man.
metalhead
72-78
atuck_sfg
Since when does one player carry a whole baseball team? Pretty sure it’s a team sport, and you need multiple players to create that team… Not all Chapman’s fault the entire team is underperforming.
rizdakc99
Reminds me of the Rockies signing Kris Bryant.
baseballpurist
I wouldn’t brag about that. The only way Boras negotiates extensions is when he knows his client is being overpaid.
Jean Matrac
Apparently you didn’t read the article. Boras did not negotiate the deal. Posey circumvented both Boras and Zaidi, going directly to Chapman. Boras wants his guys go to free-agency, but Chapman liked the deal, and it’s the player’s decision.
Datashark
at this point Boras is like ok move on let him focus on the many he has this off season.
Farhan has much different take — if owners can look past him there is trouble for his position
Pete'sView
Datashark —
And there should be.
baseballpurist
I wonder if Boras will take legal action for being circumvented by the organization.
YankeesBleacherCreature
What legal actions are there to take? Parties having representation can still speak directly with one another. As long as Boras gives Chapman’s contract his blessings and receives his full agent commission, Boras has no actionable grievance. He could go tell Posey to eff himself but that serves him no purpose.
baseballpurist
Well that goes back to my original point. Boras would only do this if he thought the Giants were overpaying.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Boras works for Chapman and can only advise him. He has negotiated early extensions for his clients in the past.
azcrook
As much as I like Farhan as a person, it is time to move on from his philosophies and get a whole new approach that will include fresh input, including from Posey and relying less on the questionable metrics. The farm system is starting to produce some good talent. A complete reevaluation of the current methods and overall organizational wide pitching and hitting practices is due. Keeping Bob Melvin is preferable now rather than changing the managerial position again.
muddust
he still ruined baseball.
Redwolves3
Hopefully Zaidi sees the writing on the wall. If Posey gets involved in negotiations with Snell Zaidi better be packing his bags & looking for another job
Firing Zaidi can’t come soon enough
Gumby82
Posey – President of Baseball Operations
Ned Colletti – General Manager
Ron Wotus – Manager
Datashark
its a shame Wotus has not gotten a chance but he would be left with so many ???? at several positions.. they are a roster of full of journeymen and non-star rated prospects (but maybe some diamonds that could come out)
davemlaw
I’ve had a bit of time to digest this story since yesterday.
Farhan’s job isn’t in jeopardy. He was negotiating with Boras and Chapman, trying to get a deal done without overpaying. If he needed to get a deal done to save his job he would have. Buster came in to close the deal, that’s it.
Farhan’s job is safe for at least one more year. This year sucked but it’s almost over and there are some bright spots to look forward to: Ramos and Fitzgerald. Also a burgeoning rotation. Giants need to shore up 2nd base, add one starting pitcher and Santander. If they do that 2025 should be much better.
m34josh
They are in the bottom 1/3 of teams in the NL, they could potentially lose two of their already-thin starting rotation, and their offense is absolutely terrible.
There is a lot more work to be done by whomever is the President and GM in the offseason than just picking up a few pieces
Pete'sView
davemlaw —
The only reason Farhan’s job is NOT in jeopardy is that Greg Johnson loves the guy despite Zaidi’s lack of imagination and closing skills.
The Giants farm system is rated as the 23rd out of 30 teams. It’s been 6 freakin’ years and he’s barely moved the needle.
You’ll now see all sorts of spins from the Giants hierarchy following the article that Posey closed the deal because Zaidi couldn’t. But why did the negotiations struggle before Buster sat down with Chapman?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Boras naturally wanted Chapman to re-enter the market so he stalled. Chapman wanted to stay and Buster sealed the deal with a NTC.
spliffTONE
@davemlaw: I agreed with most of your comment. I’ll pass on Santander though; that .308 career OBP leaves a lot to be desired. Also, I think that Fitzgerald would fit better at 2B than SS (which still leaves the Giants looking for a middle infielder).
Sadler
I would be shocked if Fitzgerald isn’t back in the minors by next June.
Simm
It’s not unusual for ownership to get involved in large contract deals.
Peter Seidler did so in almost every big contract the padres handed out.
This could just be Posey representing the ownership group in negotiations.
If they want to do business like this they could just make Posey the chairman. Being in charge of baseball ops has a ton more responsibilities than just contract negotiations.
Pete'sView
But Greg Johnson and his dad like being The Controllers.
John Bird
The sticking point from what I’ve read is that Chapman wanted a no trade clause and Zaidi didn’t want to give one, which was when Posey got involved.
ohyeadam
I’d want a NTC too if signing a long term deal with Zaidi. That list in the article of all his multi year deals being traded before their term is up is very telling
Captainmike1
I wonder how much of a problem Boras was during the negotiations
njbirdsfan
Funny how I never see the Giants being the butt of jokes while they’re literally no better than the Pirates.
spliffTONE
@njbirds: Totally. I remember when the Pirates went on a run and won three championships in five seasons 10-15 years ago.
inutero
living in the past is the biggest cope of all, the giants are the laughing stock of the west right now let’s be real. haven’t had a 40 hr guy since Barry who cheated, so practically never. – candlestick- where hitters go to die
spliffTONE
@inutero: Candlestick? The last game played there was about 25 years ago, genius. Not to mention that the Giants haven’t even had a player reach 30 HR in a season since Bonds hung up his spikes.
inutero
glad to see you don’t disagree with any point I made, in fact, you proved my point. Giants are a AAA team the past decade
atuck_sfg
Posey for GM or President of Operations 2025
Giant1962
I think Farhan is fired in late Sept, likely just before end of season. See last year when they fired Kapler just before that season ended. We’ll see.
2183281
I’ve always thought it would be interesting to have Posey as the president of baseball ops
Yanks4life22
I know this dude can stick it with the glove but a 6 year commitment to a 31 year old with a limited hit tool is crazy to me.
And also (can’t believe I’m about to say this) but how important is his defense anyway? There aren’t even 10 players in all of baseball hitting over .300 so it’s not like batters are spraying balls at infielders like the days of old.
metalhead
SF fans have to put the best spin on it as possible to make themselves feel good about the signing. He is a slightly above average player playing for a team that’s under .500
give them a couple of years and they will hate the contract too. Yeah Yeah Yeah defence defence. 72-78 that is with Chapman, Snell, Hicks, Webb. so I’m not just putting all the blame on Chapman. I don’t blame him I would have signed on the dotted line too.
spliffTONE
@metalhead: I’m not even a fan of this contract but your summation of Chapman is absurd. In no way is a guy that’s ranked 13th in fWAR and 8th in bWAR amongst position players in ’24 nothing more than a “slightly above average player”. Outside of the always excellent Jose Ramirez, Chapman has been the most productive third baseman in MLB this year.
spliffTONE
*make that 7th in bWAR (missed my chance to edit my original comment)
metalhead
Let’s talk in a couple of years.
spliffTONE
@metalhead: No need to wait a couple of years to say what can be said now: your comment about Chapman was extremely stupid
Jean Matrac
Yanks4life22, Seems like you’re arguing both sides. First, that Chapman isn’t a great hitter, and then turn around and say his defense isn’t that important since there aren’t many great hitters in the game. If he’s not a great hitter then he still hits well relative to the rest of MLB according to your assessment.
goob
Good catch!
Yanks4life22
I guess I am arguing both sides.
I like Chapman and agree with you he was one of the better 3b’s in the game. If I’m being honest I wish he was with the Yanks this year. But if I’m also being honest I think it’s a big risk banking on him staying productive 3 years into that 6 year deal.
Also when I say “limited hit tool” I don’t mean he isn’t good. I just mean it’s limited lol. He’s a power and patience guy and that is basically the only way he is going to beat you. Those type of players generally don’t age the greatest.
Jean Matrac
I agree that it is a big risk, but so is every FA contract of 5 years or more. If he doesn’t age well, it will show up in his hitting. But, I think he can be an elite glove for the life of the deal.
Pete'sView
Yanks4life22 —
You have to see Chapman day in and day out to realize how impactful he is, not just with the glove (which is golden) but his hit package (at least this year) is pretty damn good. Not just HRs, but as usual a ton of doubles. And he runs the bases!
I was against signing him in the first place and I’ve done a complete 180.
Yanks4life22
Definitely can respect that. Can’t say I’ve seen him play that much over here on the East coast. Especially now that I’m in bed by 10 in my late 30’s haha
JayRyder
This is cool. I figured Posey was going to succeed Farhan as president of baseball ops.
DroppedThirdStrike
It’s a fairly low dollar commitment to a good player at a tough position. But what the Giants do have to demonstrate is a commitment to winning and some consistency on the field in order to attract top free agents. Nobody wants to play with an entire team of platoon players and guys on one year deals.
inutero
nobody wants to play in the lefty dystopia known as San Fran. they would rather not step on needles and human dung on the way to the field. that’s the real problem
Pete'sView
inutero —
And with that old, ignorant narrative, I choose not to hear from you again.
goob
Good idea, Pete. I just followed suit.
SFG.1
This is becoming like a game of telephone .
Misleading headline: “Buster Posey Spearheaded Extension Talks With Matt Chapman”
The report from Baggerly who covers the Giants was that Posey got involved when Zaidi and Boras were at a standstill. Posey met with Chapman was able to get the deal done. To me that does not mean Posey spearheaded anything. That sounds to me like he was part of the process.
LordD99
Goodbye, Zaidi.
Non Roster Invitee
Buster Posey?
You bet he did.
its_happening
Another reason Zaidi is not necessary. Posey is looking to change the culture. Good on him.
Mikenmn
This may just be a one-off, with Boras and Zaidi just not able to communicate effectively with each other. But it does tend to diminish the stature of both just a bit. It’s a good contract for Chapman–probably more than Zaidi was offering, but less than Boras; ask.
YankeesBleacherCreature
This was 99% Boras wanting to take Chapman to market and Chapman not wanting to wait until next Jan/Feb. to sign after Juan Soto does. Farhan has shown a willingness to wait out the market. The NTC Posey agreed to include was worth more than a few extra millions to Chapman.
sfjackcoke
This is sort of a role reversal, rather than Boras going to ownership, ownership went to the player. It’s up to the player to ask the agent how much he wishes to hear from negotiations and considering Chapman is “in-season” who is to say how in the loop he was. I do believe because it was Posey, this messaging is easier to hear. I think the Giants had the urgency when you know damn well Boras did not. Win-win for team and player.
While Boras will get paid for the Chapman deal, THIS is not his preferred way of doing business. Of the 2023 Boras 4, one has fired him, now one has essentially closed his deal directly with ownership, Bellinger might not even opt out and he’s yet to “get paid”. Snell just watched what SF did for Chapman, while Boras is his agent, he works for Snell not the other way around and it’s unknown how much Snell’s partner & new born impact his thinking
As alluded above Soto is looming over this market, Boros runs him Corbin Burnes, Alex Bregman, Pete Alonso and a host of others. While Boras corp insists they can run all these simultaneously and without conflict of interest, that doesn’t seem plausible/.realistic, not when there still seems to be RSN uncertainty in the market. Steve Cohen/NYM are the definite wild cards in the 2024-25 off-season.
pepenas34
Borass strikes again !!!
It was clear Zaidi did not make that deal.
I thought owners had learned not to negotiate with Borass, that why they paid some one to do the job.