The July 30 trade deadline came and went without a Garrett Crochet deal, even though several teams reportedly had interest in the White Sox southpaw. The Dodgers and Phillies were two of the clubs involved in Crochet’s market, and while The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports that the two NL contenders made “attractive” offers to the Sox, the bidding only went so far.
Beginning with the Phillies, they weren’t willing to include Andrew Painter, who remains a top-34 prospect in the view of both Baseball America (20th) and MLB Pipeline (34th) even though he hasn’t pitched since September 2022. A UCL sprain sidelined Painter during Spring Training 2023 and he underwent a Tommy John surgery in July 2023, putting the highly-touted righty on pace to be ready for the start of the 2025 campaign.
The 13th overall pick of the 2021 draft Painter has only pitched 109 2/3 pro innings, including 28 1/3 innings at the Double-A level. He could start 2025 back at Double-A if the Phillies want to relatively ease him back into action after his long layoff, though if all goes well, Painter could move up the ladder pretty quickly and become an option for Philadelphia’s big league staff before the end of next season. Since Painter is still just 21 years old, it is understandable why even a win-now team with a pretty crowded pitching staff would be wary about moving a top prospect with front-of-the-rotation potential.
Rather than make a big splash of a Crochet trade, Philadelphia instead made a more modest set of moves prior to the deadline. The Phillies’ discussions with the White Sox about Crochet might’ve spun off into the trade that brought Tanner Banks to Philadelphia, and the Fightins’ deadline adds also includes the likes of Carlos Estevez and Austin Hays.
Chicago’s talks with Los Angeles were still ongoing in the last hour before the deadline, before the Dodgers apparently pivoted and instead landed Jack Flaherty from the Tigers. Since Flaherty is a free agent after the season and his trade market may have been impacted by some injury concerns, naturally the Tigers’ ask for the right-hander was much lower than what the White Sox were seeking for Crochet, who is arbitration-controlled through the 2026 season.
Top catching prospect Dalton Rushing wasn’t included in the Dodgers’ offers for Crochet, but River Ryan was, though Rosenthal notes that “the White Sox had concerns about [Ryan’s] health.” Chicago’s focus was on the shoulder problem that cost Ryan the first two months of the minor league season, but Ryan has since been sidelined by a Tommy John surgery that will likely keep him out of action for the entirety of the 2025 campaign.
The Dodgers had such a need for pitching that Ryan got a bit of a fast track to the majors following his shoulder injury, as Ryan amassed only 24 1/3 innings in the minors (16 1/3 at the Triple-A level) this season before he was called up for his MLB debut. To this end, moving a big league-ready starter for Crochet probably wasn’t an ideal scenario for an L.A. team that basically needs all the arms it can get at this point, yet the Dodgers were obviously going to have to give up a lot to pry Crochet away from the White Sox.
Rushing’s name has been involved in trade speculation even before Will Smith signed his big contract extension with Los Angeles in March. Smith’s status as the Dodgers’ catcher of the foreseeable future could make either Rushing or fellow catching prospect Diego Cartaya expendable, yet it could be that L.A. didn’t want to move Rushing before experimenting with him at another position. Rushing has been playing only left field since his promotion to Triple-A earlier this month, and he has kept up the hot hitting even while adapting to a new position and facing a higher caliber of pitching, so it isn’t out of the question that Rushing could make his Major League debut before 2024 is over.
In another note about the Crochet trade talks, Rosenthal writes that “the White Sox also entertained offers in which they would have received lesser [prospect] packages but gained salary relief.” These particular discussions reportedly involved Andrew Benintendi, so in this scenario, an unknown team would’ve eaten all or most of Benintendi’s remaining contract as a sweetener to obtain Crochet. Rosenthal didn’t specify which teams made such offers, though the Dodgers and Phillies both seem less likely candidates, as adding Benintendi’s contract would’ve come at an even heftier cost for two teams deep into luxury tax territory.
On the one hand, Benintendi’s five-year, $75MM contract is already looking like a misfire less than two seasons in, so packaging him along with Crochet might be Chicago’s only reasonable method of getting Benintendi off the books. That being said, Crochet is also the team’s best trade asset, and moving him for a prospect package of maximum value is a clear way for the Sox to bring more talent into the organization. Diluting that return just to save some money wouldn’t seem all that prudent, especially since the White Sox reduced payroll in other deadline deals. Benintendi is owed $47.5MM over the 2025-27 seasons, but the Sox have just under $41MM committed to their entire 2025 payroll, as per RosterResource.
Of course they would have salary dumped Benintendi with crochet. Because that’s the one thing Jerry knows how to do quite well.
When Jerry does open the wallet and the moths have cleared out, he signs the wrong guys to big overpriced extensions. Then he has to dump them for a net loss and start over again. True with the Woe Sox and the Bulls.
Having a series of incompetent front office knuckleheads just perpetuates the pattern. Getz is the latest but not the last, until there’s new, progressive ownership on the South Side.
It’s doing the homework and then using a little common sense before throwing away money more than anything is what gets me and we see many cases every offseason where usually, the same teams make poor deals, overpaying questionable FA to more years and more $$ and those deals nearly always are bad on year 1.
It’s not the GM’s money, so not costing that person. Like defecit spending by government that burns this country down more each year. It’s not the politicians money, so no skin off of them if it’s wasted.
JBJ deal by Milwaukee few years back just like the beni deal. had no chance of working out.
Trader Jack mcKeon economics class should be force fed to any prospective GM.
Agree with you on Jerry’s ineptitude. Now, he’s trying to con Chicago into replacing the mediocre stadium he built 35 years ago.
The city and state should close their checkbooks until he sells the team.
In Jerry-atric’s tenure as owned of the Sox (over 40 years): 1 WS, and only 7 playoff appearances. Never mind him being the principle that caused the lockout in 94 when he was fielding a team that could have won the WS that year, and partly because he was mad that guys like Jack McDowell wanted 2 million per year and not only the 1 mil that the miser wanted to pay.
Like I have said before, if I was Governor of Illinois, I would have literally laughed in that miser’s face when he asked for his new stadium recently, and told him that the only way the Sox get a new stadium is with a new owner, AND that new owner or his cronies would not be allowed to buy the real estate around the stadium, which Im guessing is really why that con artist wants the new stadium, so he and his ownership group could get fat off of the real estate around the new park.
There had to be a couple of big prospects going to whichever team was willing to take Benintendi’s contract and i wonder if it was a team willing to roster him or if he would have been released right after
@RSox – The Sox wouldn’t have added prospects, they would looking to add him to a Crochet trade package, lessening the return, greatly I’m sure.
Funny thing is that Benintendi is on fire since the deadline, with 5 HRs and a 1.027 OPS. Maybe the hope that he could be thrown into an offseason trade to get the hell away from the Sox woke him up.
Frank Thomas not Jeff Jackson should have been drafted by the Phillies lol.
I would have let Painter go for Crochet. Proven talent at the mlb level that would be better on a better team vs. top prospect that was injured and hasn’t seen mlb action yet. I’ve watched the Phillies hold on too long to “prospects” that turn into nothing but missed opportunities to get stars. Kyle Drabek, Dom Brown, Spencer Howard, Hector Neris, seranthony Dominguez, pre- contract Scott Kingery, and more. Now the guys they let go too soon: Sandberg, Dave Stewart, Marlon Byrd (the first time), Nick Punto (career utility man), Hunter Pence (after trading a lot for him), Charlie Morton and the list goes on
I don’t know. Painter looked like he had tremendous upside.
Had or has is the question now with him.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say Croxhet is “proven”. Hasn’t had a full season workload as a starter.
Rosenthal reported the Phillies made an attractive enough offer without having to deal Painter. Thats on Chris Getz, not the Phillies. I’d be shocked if he’s not moved this offseason where a lot more suitors would emerge
Drabek was dealt for the best pitcher on the planet. I’d say that was a win
That’s why you’re not a GM.
They’re not a GM cause theyd willingly trade a top pitching injury prone prospect for an “elite” mlb ready SP with 2 more years of team control to bolster an already formative roster heading into the post season? Tons of GMs would make that trade. You can replace prospects but flags fly forever.
Crochet did himself no favors publicly demanding an extension and refusing to switch to the pen come play off time. Turned off a lot of teams. Had he not publicly made those remarks and was willing to do whatever it takes to win he probably gets moved at the deadline.
Preller did exactly that when he acquired 3 years of Blake Snell for Patino, Mejia, Hunt, Wilcox. Worked out pretty well for the padres.
Since when is Andrew Painter “injury prone”?
According to reports from Jayson Stark, teams were still willing to make offers regardless of what was said by Crochet. And like I said in my post earlier, the Phillies offer was attractive enough to the White Sox without Painter but they obviously declined
I think Getz moves him in the offseason
Since when is Andrew Painter “injury prone”?
Andrew Painter, who remains a top-34 prospect in the view of both Baseball America (20th) and MLB Pipeline (34th) even though he hasn’t pitched since September 2022. A UCL sprain sidelined Painter during Spring Training 2023 and he underwent a Tommy John surgery in July 2023, putting the highly-touted righty on pace to be ready for the start of the 2025 campaign.
“ According to reports from Jayson Stark, teams were still willing to make offers regardless of what was said by Crochet.”
Making offers doesn’t disprove anything I said. Crochet did himself and white Sox no favors demanding an extension and refusing to pitch in the pen. What it did do is lessen the return/offers white Sox received for Crochet. Nobody is giving up a glut of premium prospects for a dude set on open market extension price 2 year away and will be difficult to work with causing issues in the club house. If you can get him at a discounted price sure many teams take chances on disgruntled guys on the cheap, but not giving up a Sonny Gray type package for him (3 top 100 prospects).
Ok. So 1 injury makes him “injury prone”?
“Nobody is giving up a glut of premium prospects”. Ken Rosenthal who reported that both the Phillies and Dodgers made attractive offers. If they were attractive offers, they included premium prospects. I think Rosenthal and Stark know more than us. Just saying
Isnt 1 injury
Hasnt pitched since September 2022
Spring (March) training 2023 hurt his UCL
Many guys esp young prospects are doing some form of winter ball. He didn’t why? Injury trouble kept him from doing such.
“Attractive offers” =\= glut of premium prospects. Do you not know what the word glut means? I gave you a pretty good example of Sonny gray netting the athletics 3 top 100 prospects. Another would be Juan Soto trade.
Did some teams offer 1 high end top 100 and some filler? Probably
Did some teams offer 2 top 100 guys and some filler? Probably
Did anyone offer 3 top 100 prospects? No. Or else he’d be traded.
What exactly has he proven?
Tommy john is not a huge deal these days aside from losing a year of playing time. A pitcher with one half good season under his belt and already dictating to teams how he is going to pitch (while demanding a likely large extension as an alternative), I’ll pass on that.
I’d also bet that the white Sox wanted more than Painter (who was the top RHP prospect) at the beginning of last year.
This article is literally saying 2 teams, the Dodgers and the Phiillies, were willing to make an offer.
. You’re citing a trade that happened 7 years ago my man. The market has vastly changed. Not a good comp. And is your definition of “premium prospects” only top 100 guys? That’s silly. Garrett Crochet’s value isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Juan Soto’s. Again. Not a good comp.
Attractive enough offers that I’d bet dollars to donuts that Getz thought long and hard (that’s what she said) about it
No but I can have an opinion. And neither are you that why you’re expressing your views in this chat.
Aaron Nola, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Cole Hamels, Ryan Howard. Imagine trading those prospects for the newest shiniest object available because they weren’t proven yet.
Na Mets, no one was ever going to give up on utley, Howard, hamels or Rollins bc they were proven talent that were drafter by Mike arbuckle who should have been the gm after gillick not Amaro jr. Arbuckle knew prospects and the system. He left and only now do they have decent prospects
Drabek was moved, Howard was moved Neris , Dominguez were established mlb players sir. Guys let go to soon ? Please… Marlon Byrd??? Nick punto ????? The rest are nonsense. You forgot Ferguson Jenkins. You do not trade a 21 year old with number 1 stuff, Tommy John besides the POINT,if you are the Phillies. Especially if you are the Phillies.
Yeah but isn’t garrett a #1 that is actually u know pitching?
Your grammar is as brutal as your lack of knowledge. Your pitcher is a 1 on the woe begotten low Sox but the is at best a 4 on the fighting Phillies. You are dismissed to English class.
Wow, I love the cord. The reality is all trans, not just the Phillies hold on to guys too long or give up too quickly. I just reference the Phillies and know the history for the last 40 yrs bc I live it and love watching them and following them .
Yeah, that’s the way I feel. Little pieces, big pieces and pieces in between. Relax cuz, it’s an opinion I have because I watch them every day. And during each one of those players time, the Phillies were not the “Phillies” yet so losing some of those guys or not letting the pan out was big. Think about it, Marlon Byrd and n your organization once Pat Burrell leaves, is a better option than Ben Francisco and might keep you from signing Raul Ibanez who was a type a free agent that the Phillies gave their 2009 draft pick up for to Seattle. No pick for the Phillies in 2009 the year trout was drafted equalled no shot at trout. Now beat me up for that scenario.
I didn’t forget Jenkins just figured he was too old for this crowd. And again, some of those names, lasted longer and made more impacts on teams than the guys you call proven. Neris was proven to stink in the clutch innings vs good teams like the Braves. Dominguez was a bright spot three or four years ago in a bad bullpen and he was held in to for too long and lost his ability to be dominant.
Look at it like this Liberty. If Dombrowski doesn’t want to move a prospect? chances are he’s a really special kid, cause he’ll virtually wipe out a system without hesitation, unless he thinks there is an impact kid and THAT 1 he’ll hold onto. Look at his history in Detroit, Boston.. Wiped top 5 (for a while) Boston farm system, then went wild for Sale, Kimbrell.. h traded the system, but wouldn’t swap Devers, even when the Chisox demanded him in the Sale deal.
Crochet, Dombrowski knew was already past his career innings this yr, was buying 25-6. Why give up what looked like Philly’s future ace? It had future come back and bite him written all over him and Chicago had demanded either Meyer/Anthony (BA top 20) as starters in any deal to Boston saw in an article.
Chicago was only moving him if they could pull off a major heist in return. dombrowski, even with an injury now to Painter was wise to tell ’em no thanks.
You make a good point about the Dombrowski philosophy.
I saw Painter a couple of times in his last minor league season before his injury in ST in 2023. Hands down, the most impressive pitching prospect at that age that I have ever seen in person, and I have been to a ton of minor league games over the years.
Easy motion; clean mechanics and incredible velo and movement that was fairly effortless. Perfect height and frame for a starter. Really good fastball and slider command; lights out curve that was close to major league ready and a change that showed promise. A serious young kid with a terrific work ethic as well.
I am not trading him for someone like Crotchet. Painting (Painter) him as injury prone, as a few have done, is just dumb. Crotchet feels like more of an injury risk moving forward, and as interesting as he is as a pickup there are only two more years of control and question marks about workload and eventual ceiling as a starter.
If I give up Painter it is only for a surefire solution somewhere in a position of need that is controlled for years. Painter could be an ace-level arm for years, and his projections are more likely than most given the frame, maturity, mechanics and ethic / demeanor.
Benintendi might be the victim of some overzealous launch angle coaching. A team that lets him play his game might be rewarded for doing so.
He still is terrible in the OF and has a rag arm. And there doesn’t seem to be much “fire” in his game.
Would you have fire in your game if you were playing for the White Sox? I have no sympathy for him because he chose to sign there, but I would not be at all fired up to go to work there either.
Holding Crochet for an offseason deal was the best move for the White Sox. Open it up to everybody looking to contend next year. The haul will be much bigger. Somebody is going to pay a hefty price in terms of kids off the farm to get an absolute ace who is making small $$$ with a small commitment. Pair him with another ace, and make everybody else deal with those two guys in the playoffs. All you got to do is be a Wild Card team.
Interesting how “Ace Inflation” has become a vogue.
Didn’t we learn from other flame-throwing young guys who got hurt or faded after a year or two that it takes more than heat and K’s to be an “ace”?
He’s hardly an “absolute ace” at this point. He doesn’t have nearly enough innings or experience as a starter/stopper/top of the league performer to call him that.
He may eventually become one, but that’s true of a dozen prospects at any time.
And hawking strikeouts by a pitcher in a baseball era when players are striking out not because of pitching but of selling out on each and every swing chasing exit velocity, launch angle, and the almighty Home Run….Crochet and most of these pitchers being touted as “Aces” because of strikeouts is a TJ disaster waiting to happen…when he learns to “pitch” then he Sox fans can demand a haul……
Crochet is just now back from going under the knife, and has now shown that he is one of the guys who comes back BETTER than before. The Phillies have figured out so long as Wheeler and Nola are dealing in the playoffs ….. They are going to be a problem regardless if the bats are popping. That is the current formula to playoff success. Add Crochet to Blake Snell in San Francisco, and see if the Dodgers, Yankees or anybody else can deal with that in the playoffs.
The only reason the White Sox were able to draft Crochet out of Tennessee at #11 in the first round was because everybody knew he was gonna go under the knife. White Sox didn’t care. It was Covid year, and no minor leagues. They sent him to their camp after the draft, and then brought him directly to the Majors without seeing the Minor League. He came out firing 100+ mph heat from Day 1 until he got hurt. He is good to go now, and should be shut down the rest of the way after 9 strikeouts in 4 innings in last outing.
What dozen of prospects Is doing what he is doing in the majors? It’s his first year starting, could it really have gone any better? I don’t understand what some of u expect.
That’s not really how it works. Teams generally are more inclined to overpay in trades at the deadline because the trade market is their only avenue to improve their roster. An acquiring team will only have Crochet for two potential postseason runs instead of three now so that already lowers his value. Plus the upcoming free agent class is SP heavy so teams will have plenty of options if they deem the White Sox asking price to be too high
Teams weren’t getting Crochet for 3 playoff runs that’s the problem. Crochet is unique his value could actually go up between July and the offseason because he’s still proving he’s healthy and can carry a full load.
Plus the statement that Crochet made close to the trade deadline made it harder if not impossible to get a good return of players for him. I understand Crochet is looking out for himself long term in terms of his first big contract OR extension. There is a fine grey line between totally looking out for yourself without it conflicting with being a “Team Player”
Depending on your judgement an observer may see it either way.
I think Very Barry makes alot of good points. I wouldn’t attach Benintendi in a trade with Crochet if they do that. They can still get somethind decent back but probably have to include significant $.
I think AB would fit on a team like SF, CLE, MN, MIL, TOR
Holding Crochet was the right decision because teams will give more knowing that he will not be remanded to the bullpen at the start of next season as he would have been if they traded for him at the deadline.
There’s no indication of the players the Phillies offered. The Dodgers seemingly offered one player, but maybe or not others.
The big question with the Dodgers:
With their record for injuring pitchers as well as Crochet’s injury history, what were the odds that were the Dodgers to acquire him, Mr. Crochet would be injured by the time the 2024 payoffs started.
Yeah, I’d be interested to hearing what the Phillies offered too. I’m glad they didn’t give up Painter.
Perhaps Crawford as headliner, otherwise it would have been hang up the phone. “Attractive” offers reporters cite are per the spin of FO’s that lowball.
Teams asking Dodgers for less prospects than the Yankees isn’t a surprise.
The media has made an effort to devalue Spencer Jones to the point where it’s a buy low.
Spencer Jones is whacking a huge. .743 OPS at AA ball and striking out 37 percent of the time.
Don’t blame the “media” for his not performing like a top prospect, especially in the mid-minors. Face facts for once.
Spencer Jones is the most overrated prospect in baseball. He shouldn’t even be close to a top 100 prospect. What will he have 200+ strikeouts in double A and and on base percentage of barely over .300 and whooping.743 OPS. No thanks.
Says someone who probably asked Hawk Tua girl for her autograph…….
I guess she has a lot in common with Spencer Jones. I can see why you instantly thought of her when the subject of him came up.
YOu’re really a you know what….Mets fan…..
Because Spencer Jones has not put up eye popping offensive numbers in the minors. If he was drafted by the Twins he would be in the bottom half of the top 100
The media has made an effort to devalue Spencer Jones to the point where it’s a buy low.
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The media cannot devalue a player. Only a player’s performance will devalue a player. Every GM knows exactly how many Ks Jones has. They won’t be reading a newspaper article to find out that information.
If the Dodgers were only willing to trade a pitcher with injury issues maybe we should not deal with the Dodgers.
Yeah that’s a bad look when they offer up a guy who shortly after has TJ. Not sure the White Sox will want to talk to them again.
Why is there no mention of Crochet doubling his highest ever innings pitched or the fact that he’s been terrible since the deadline? I don’t see any team giving up the farm until Crochet proves he can handle a starter’s workload. He will be less sought after in the offseason unless he stops giving up so many runs.
“But he’s an Absolute Ace!” — Woe Sox fans
Yes, those same White Sox fans said the same regarding Quintana when he was going to be moved…wish we could go back and bring up some of those comments saying he was a #1 in the making and probably a Cy Young guy each and every year……
Since the deadline, he’s had one bad start out of three where he gave up 7 runs. He also did the same back in mid-April. His last outing was 4 IP, 1 ER. 9 K while his innings are being managed. I’d hardly call that terrible.
7/23 – 4 IP 2 ER
7/28 – 3 IP 3 ER
8/3 – 4 IP 1 ER
8/9 – 4 IP 7 ER
8/16 – 4 IP 1 ER
5 starts, 19 IP, and 14 ER. You and I seem to have a different idea of terrible.
Trade deadline was 7/30. Let’s not forget the bad defense behind him.
124.2 IP
3.61 ERA
2.86 FIP
12.7 K/9
2.2 BB/9
Crochet since the All Star break 7.27 ERA. 3.1 IP per start.
Crochet since the All Star break 7.27 ERA. 3.1 IP per start. He is a glorified reliever who is getting crushed.
If the Red Sox can deal Nick Yorke (.382 in AAA since being traded) for Quinn Priester (0-1, 8.74 in AAA) then anything is possible.
The White Sox don’t really need Starting Pitching or C’s as they are set there. I have no idea why Rushing wouldn’t have the main ask by the Sox for Crochet. LF, 1B or C he would have filled a big need either way. That’s why for once the Cubs and Sox match up really well for a deal this off season. The Cubs have position players and top notch bullpen arms galore. All basically MLB ready They are a perfect match. Bullpen arms for the Sox should be easily obtained as they are usually cheaper and more plentiful in the off season. You just need good scouts. Not sure the Sox have those but that’s reality. The fact that it makes too much sense is probably the reason it will never happen.
Do you want Hoyer to trade for Crochet this offseason? Before the season began, I had actually hoped the Cubs had traded for Dylan Cease.
Cubs don’t really need starting Pitching either.
White Sox don’t have bullpen arms so you’re looking for a trade for prospects that are position players between the two teams?
Not what I said. I said the Cubs HAVE bullpen arms and position players. The Cubs need a C. How hard is that to figure out. Sox have what the Cubs need. Cubs have what the Sox need. Cubs don’t need Crochet or any other starters especially if they chase Sasaki in the off season.
Chill UncleMike it’s just an amicable discussion…
As for a catcher, then yes White Sox have two prospects that are catchers or am I mistaken here?
Roki Sasaki, I don’t know his numbers this year, but if he’s on the same level as Yamamoto, then Cubs won’t land him. Hoyer has shown he has no love for 10-year contracts. I’d love to be wrong though..
He’s only going to cost International Money. It will be more about WHERE he wants to go not How much. He’s capped out at INTL. Money if he wants to come next year.
Then maybe Hoyer makes a good sales pitch if that’s the situation with Sasaki. Shota got on board so maybe he can get another Japanese pitcher?
The Cubs are heavily investing in Japanese Scouting and building relationships there. Although if I was Jed I’d be getting as much INTL money as I could reasonably get. Sasaki has been pretty adamant that he wants to get here ASAP. He wants to play in America. If he waited a couple of years he could get Yamamoto money and be posted. It can’t hurt to have a few more INTL bucks laying around. But a lot of teams probably feel the same. But he’s only 22 and if he’s as advertised he’ll get paid sooner or later.
How about 9 strikeouts in 4 innings against a very good hitting team in Houston.
Crochet lil whining b****
Dictating to his tm when & how he’ll pitch, & under what circumstances
Wtf is he crazy
$ hungry greedy ungrateful lil b****
White sox suck but they’ve done nothing wrong to deserve his treatment of them. Most likely his agents are behind this bratty immature disrespectful attitude but he’s an adult , its unacceptable
Ok, Crochet is a little b**** and the Sox do not deserve this? You obviously have little clue to the situation or the ownership of this team.
Allow me to hit you up with some knowledge.
The owner of the White Sox is a well known miser in Chicago, he constantly lowballs with insulting offers in contract negotiations. In 94, he famously was the primary voice in locking out baseball, and his own team out of the playoffs (and likely a WS run), because he was @#$hurt over the cost of salaries rising. I doubt Crochet got a legit offer from this miser as most players do not, and I doubt he or his agent were asking for Verlander money.
Yes, Agents are not angels, but typically they try to get the best deal for their guy as they can, that is their job.
As for ‘demands’, Crochet simply said that he wanted an extension if pitching in the playoffs. He has had the most innings pitched of his career this season and any pitcher should be concerned about their arm.
Painting the player as a’lil whining little B****’, shows you are very young and/or ignorant. You talk of him being immature, and should behave like an adult, but your comment smacks of being immature yourself.
Crochet will probably never be the same after this season.
Crochet seemed like a headcase didn’t want to pitch in playoffs. What some players would do to play in playoffs.
Thats not what he said. He said he wanted an extension if he were to pitch in October.
tldr phillies and dodgers made bad offers
I still think Orioles should have gone in. If innings was the problem then make him ur closer the rest of the year and stretch him out starting next year. Orioles don’t have a closer this year. Kimbrel is absolutely awful.
Jury is out. They wouldn’t headline Westburg for 2yrs of Cease at low cost or Mayo for 2+yrs of Crochet. We shall see if rental Burnes does better in playoffs than he did in Milw. Deals have to be win-win…..of course sellers want a player/prospect they expect to be “really good”.
I do not know whats more maddening:
-The Sox immediately go to trade talks because their low ball offer was met with scorn (as it should be) and that Getz was ‘hurt’ but what Crochet’s agent said.. I mean if he has ‘feeling’s in these negotiations, then he is not going to be a GM very long (well he should not be, with Jerry-atric viewing undying loyalty above all else, he will as long as this cheapskate owns the team).
OR
The Sox apparently are refusing to keep negotiating in hopes that they can meet in the middle (I doubt Crochet is asking for Verlander money).
The Sox are keeping him on this stupid 4 IP racket. Im not sure if its really to save Crochet’s health, to keep him health solely for selling him off in the offseason, or to use the lack of IP against him in Arbitration (as I can see that Miser doing that)..
Lol @ “Miser”. I think it’s the former. Keeping Crochet’s medicals clean this offseason is worth a lot more than any first year arb raise.
I mean my assumption is that its the former, but, sadly, I can see that cheapskate pulling this to try to save a buck as well,
The owner is an embarrassment to baseball. I mean many owners are, but he has really made it an art form.
The talk of packaging Benintendi with Crochet reminds me a lot of the speculation that the Nats would include Corbin when they traded Soto to SD. Ultimately it doesn’t make sense, teams with no immediate competitive window cheat themselves if they reduce the prospect package for a controllable player.
It has gotten so ridiculous, that I find myself checking the Dodger twitter feed every few hours to see if they’ve put another pitcher/player on the DL : (
Seems the White Sox missed a big opportunity here. Getting rid of benintendi’s deal would have been huge! Seems like now they are just stuck with him with the hope that he can start hitting again.
Benintendi is the only significant salary going into ’25 if they trade Robert next offseason. Even JR can digest that in order to get a couple high end prospects for Crochet-they are desperate to acquire position players. Trick is they have to hire personnel that know how to develop them to end that cycle.
This article keeps returning to the top. Like deja vu all over again.
These writers – even the big names like Rosenthall – don’t always know for sure. They may have sources, but at the end of the day, I can’t believe that the Phillies would have refused to include an injured arm like Painter in order to get Crochet. Similarly, I find it tough to fathom that the Dodgers wouldn’t move Rushing when he’s blocked by Smith. So there had to be more to the story here.
This is a good education to all the people that post trade ideas. For instance the ones that were saying the Os should have offer Holiday and Mayo for Crochet. No team was going to offer its top prospects for a guy that 1. Has likely pitched his best baseball of the year already, 2. Is going to need to pitch reduced innings and was so arrogant to say he wouldn’t pitch in relief and 3. Will likely be gone in 3 years.
These offers show what really happens
Of COURSE these greedy pigs were in on Crochet. Is there anyone the Dodgers didn’t buy straight up or trade for then buy when they didn’t need?
Great no trade by White Sox & why is no one giving credit ti Sox medical staff & front office for not trading Crochet for damaged goods. Dodgers knew River Ryan had injury issues & so did White Sox. Great catch for Sox