The Yankees and Tigers had a “preliminary” trade agreement in place that would’ve sent right-hander Jack Flaherty to New York prior to the trade deadline earlier today, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, but the Yankees ultimately pulled the plug on the deal after reviewing the right-hander’s medical records. It’s not clear what the Yankees would’ve traded to Detroit to acquire Flaherty had the deal gone through. The righty, of course, ended up traded to the Dodgers just before the deadline.
Flaherty, 28, was long expected to be one of the most coveted starters on the market this summer after a sensational start to the season with Detroit where he delivered a 2.95 ERA and 3.11 FIP through eighteen starts. He hasn’t been fully healthy this year, however, as he skipped a start due to back discomfort early this month. He’s looked good with a 1.53 ERA and 18 strikeouts in three starts since then, but evidently the Yankees nonetheless had concerns after reviewing his medicals. The club was rumored to be in “extensive trade talks” with the Tigers after Detroit scratched the righty from his scheduled start yesterday, but ultimately no deal came together.
It’s not necessarily a surprise that New York would be somewhat gunshy about the possibility of trading for an injured pitchers. As Rosenthal notes, the club traded for right-hander Frankie Montas in a deal with the A’s at the 2022 trade deadline despite lingering concerns about his shoulder, and Montas ended up struggling in a brief stint with the club before undergoing surgery. Given the fact that the Yankees reportedly planned to shop southpaw Nestor Cortes before the deadline in the event that they landed Flaherty, it would’ve been a substantial risk for the club to deal away an established arm to make room for a pitcher who they had some level of injury concern about. The Yankees instead focused their attention on the bullpen today, shipping out lefty Caleb Ferguson while adding righties Mark Leiter Jr. and Enyel De Los Santos.
By contrast, the Dodgers have a deep staff of internal rotation options led by Tyler Glasnow and Clayton Kershaw with even more arms like Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Walker Buehler expected back from the IL later this year. Given the club’s deep group of starters, it’s understandable why they’d be willing to stomach injury risk in acquiring a rental arm like Flaherty. The addition of Flaherty was paired with the addition of center fielder Kevin Kiermaier in a deal with the Blue Jays today to bolster the club’s depth after the Dodgers added Tommy Edman and Michael Kopech in a three-team trade yesterday, as well as infielder Amed Rosario in a separate deal.
According to Rosenthal, word spread around the league that the Yankees had concerns regarding Flaherty’s medicals in the run-up to the deadline, although the only other team to actually see those medicals for themselves was the Dodgers. It’s unclear to what extent other offers for Flaherty’s services were impacted by concerns coming out of the Bronx about his medicals, though it’s worth noting that Jon Heyman of the New York Post highlighted the Red Sox alongside the Dodgers and Yankees as among the teams known to have interest in Flaherty. Boston’s only established starting pitching acquisition ended up being DFA’d veteran James Paxton as they instead opted to shore up their bullpen with Lucas Sims and Luis Garcia alongside the addition of a young, unproven potential starter in Quinn Priester.
Scott Harris is going to get roasted. Oof.
At least time he had a backup plan, unlike last year. It does go a ways in explaining why he ended up with less than many thought Flaherty would bring.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said the team’s conversations about acquiring Jack Flaherty failed to materialize before the trade deadline because he had trouble “matching up” with the Detroit Tigers to land the right-hander.
“I think Jack Flaherty is an exceptional starter. I had difficulty matching up with the Tigers on Jack Flaherty,” Cashman said, speaking to reporters less than 24 hours after the right-hander was dealt to the Los Angeles Dodgers just before Tuesday’s deadline. “… I had trouble matching up. I tried to import him and I had trouble matchup on the values.”
At least this time he had a backup plan, unlike last year. It does go a ways in explaining why he ended up with less than many thought Flaherty would bring.
At least this time he had a backup plan, unlike last year. It does go a ways in explaining why he ended up with less than many thought Flaherty would bring.
At least this time he had a backup plan, unlike last year. It does go a ways in explaining why he ended up with less than many thought Flaherty would bring.
Why does my sense of humor align so well with so many who comment on this site? Must be a baseball fan thing.
OR, like most people on here you’re a maroon. Ahahaha!
Chad M and Jon M: Same words posted three times by two people?
What’s up with that?
Posted by 3 user names. Not necessarily 3 voices/ pairs of hands posted those comments.
paddyo: Three times by two usernames, twice by Chad M and once by Jon M.
My comment didn’t show up right away so I hit submit a second time thinking it didn’t go through. The other two reposted the same thing to yank your chain.
LOL. But my chain doesn’t yank that easily.
Except 3 separate fellas yanked your chain just now. Guess that’s why you are smiling, almost like you got a kick out of those guys yanking your chain.
Wrong. All I did was ask about it. That doesn’t constitute a chain being yanked.
Chad – Notice that nobody here ever Red Soxed people’s chains.
Can I yank you chain?
STL – Sure, just be gentile please.
Nah, you got your chained yanked 3x!
As opposed to Jewish?
“Funny, she doesn’t look Shrewish ….”
I don’t see how you can blame Harris for the other team backing out of a deal. That doesn’t happen very often.
Two years in, I think Harris is doing a fine job. It isn’t his fault the Baez deal went so badly. It isn’t his fault Torkelson forgot how to hit. It isn’t his fault Meadows wasn’t ready yet when they rushed him up and expected him to be everyday CF. And it wasn’t his fault that Greene, Carpenter and Olson are hurt and without them, the team is severely downgraded. After taking over for the incompetent Al Avila, you had to figure it’ll take him several years at a minimum to build his team, to get the kids up and acclimated to the league, Tigers future is looking brighter after today.
Agreed, Luke. I love his drafting style, there is actual development taking place with the young guys. It’s not doom and gloom.
I think Harris is actually doing great. I just feel like he’s going to be rotated if either or both of the prospects don’t work out.
Tomas80: Rotated clockwise or counterclockwise?
It’s his….
RESPONSIBILITY….
Hey Fife…he did what he was supposed to. He didn’t injure Flaherty’s back dude.
December 20, 2023 was a long time ago and certainly enough to make several contingency plans.
Looks like instead of completing an honest deal he was playing the other teams against each other and the clock. They reversed it on him for playing like that.
Of course, I don’t know that for a fact, but jeez loise…..minutes before the waiver wire when you had 8 months to plan?
Something is irregular.
? Or no? I mean rah, rah go team…. even you can see it looks off, right?
It could be there are valid concerns and Harris/Friedman were just a way cool guys to get Flaherty to where his baseball dream lives before the inevitable.
Actually, many of Avila’s trades and draft picks are forming the core of the Tigers next contender. It is taking longing than most of us thought. Some like Paredes they gave up on too soon.
Avila’s acquisitions and drafts include: SP Gipson-Long, SP Reese Olson, OF Reilly Greene, Torkelson, Mize, Manning, Kerry Carpenter, Jace Jung, Jackson Jobe, Ty Madden, Wilmer Flores,Troy Melton, Dillion Dingler, Jake Rogers, Jameer Candelarioi, Issac Paredesa.
Some of Avila’s drafted and players traded for are still in the pipeline to the majors.
That said, Hiring Ryan Garko as VP of player development in Sept ’21 may turn out to be Al Avila’s best move of all.
Player development has been the Tigers biggest area of concern for a long time.
Since Ryan Garko was hired, there has been noticeable signs of prospects improving for the first time in years.
The Tigers team had been stripped to the studs and was a collection of aging veterans with big untradeable contracts.
Some of Avila’s trades were big busts or did not work out as planned like: Verlander, JD Martinez, Issac Paredes (now an All Star).
That said, he some of his draft picks did not pan out along with some of his trades not panning out.
Avila did a decent job., but not good enough and not fast enough for the fans and the team.
That said, it was the right time for a change with the Tigers Front Office.
New Voices, New Blood and New approaches was needed.
Scott Harris is showing signs of turning the Tigers battleship around.
It is taking a bit longer than many would have preferred, but a turnaround is happening steadily.
Whoa Ryan Garko is there? I went to high school with him and wondered where he went lol
I give credit where credit is due.
Avila was not as bad as Randy Smith by a long ways.
It does not mean that he would have been my 1st choice to do the Tigers rebuild as GM or Pres of Baseball Ops.
As I have posted many times, Mike Illitch should have let Dave Dombrowski do his job and reconstruct the Tigers instead of letting him leave.
If Dombrowski had been persuaded to stay, then the Tigers would have been rebuild into contenders much sooner.
And, my 2nd choice for Tigers Pres Baseball Ops was Mike Elias (Astros then Orioles) who was instrumental in building the farms and team(s) of both the Astros and the Orioles.
Elias was available, but Tigers’ Ownership “doubled down” on Avila.
Scott Harris, the Jury is still out on him.
Wish him well,
He and his team are doing a decent job of rebuilding the farm.
Next, they will have to prove themselves in trades and free agent signings.
Mike I pushed Dave out because he knew he’d be dead before the rebuild was complete. Can’t blame him for wanting to see a championship before he died. I also wish Dombrowski had done the rebuild instead of Avila, he moved much faster from 2002 – 2006. After this trade deadline I’m glad Elias is in Baltimore and not Detroit. Trading a bunch of prospects for pitchers with ERAs over 4.0 is foolish, especially when your org doesn’t really make pitchers better (ex 2023 Flaherty vs 2024). He did the right thing with Burnes but apparently thinks he’s a genius now. DD actually talked him into giving his #8 prospect and another prospect for Gregory Soto! Comments from Phillies fans show they didn’t “fix” him. DD is brilliant.
This ^ is the most ridiculous take on the Tigers I may ever have read. It’s like russia claiming they are winning the war in Ukraine….bizarre.
And this ^ is a narrow and shortsighted look on things that takes nothing past this year into account. Believe it or not, your 8 team redraft fantasy team and a real life MLB team are not the same and can not be run the same way. Congratulations on one of the most uneducated comments on this site today, an impressive feat I must say, but you pulled it off.
Sure, torkekson and mize have been definitely contributing…
Sure, Isaac paredes and jeimer candelario leaving was a good move by Avila
Hey Colavito (aka Senor Smoke). The most ridiculous takes on the Tigers I have seen generally come from you doing your grumpy old man routine.
Be mad at biology, be mad at Flaherty’s doctor, be mad at the Yankees, be mad at the Dodgers, although it’s none of their faults either. Dont be mad at Harris because in this case he did the best they could from what I can see and landed a top 100, 50 FV player.
Old men are grumpy because we have less time to be honored and contribute. We see how maluable and idiotic most young people act. We may even see ourselves in those idiots. And that…..
Pisses us off!
No, this is a thoughtful take from a fan that actually does research instead of someone who simply types Harris sucks as a comment on every article. Feel free to point out what is factually incorrect? Did Avila not draft these players? Are they not Tigers?
Why was Avila held responsible for all those injuries that got him fired, but Harris is not responsible for what happens on his watch?
I don’t blame Harris so much for the deal falling through, if it indeed happened last minute. I was just frustrated, as many were, that there was nothing else to fall back on after E-Rod vetoed the deal. I actually intended my comment to be a positive take on what Harris did this year.
I also agree with you Luke. I have supported most of his decisions and wasn’t happy about the return being light compared to the Kikuchi and Rogers deals (although I do like both players they got back), but I see now why it was. He did the best he could with what he had and what he got is better than the comp pick. Cheers dude.
I warned fans a couple weeks ago, Flaherty was not going to bring back as much as Blogs were predicting, because of his back injury. I am surprised they did get what they got. I still wish they would have just kept him. But I doubt he gets a contract this winter over the $50M mark.
For the last week I saw a smattering of rumors that a reasonable return for Flaherty would be an MLB-ready player in AAA (or buried on the bench) and another developmental player to add to the Clark/McGonigle core in Grand Rapids. I think he succeeded on both counts, although some fans might have wanted more highly regarded/better recognized players in return.
He got back a player at a premium position who immediately became the highest ranking prospect at that position and slotted in as #5 in high ranking farm system. The 4 players in front of him are all MLB Top 100. That’s a nice job. The Texas players are all lesser versions of players the Tigers already have.
What we don’t know is whether Harris turned down a better package from another team. I would suspect there may have been a better offer. Harris is better than Al, who was terrible, though I think his inexperience with regards to trades has cost him some assets. Overall, the org is still lacking assets. It is finally getting better, but they won’t contend until ‘27 ir ‘28.
Great development by the Tiger cyber analytics group.
I disagree.
The return on Flaherty is higher then the return on a QO Pick.
The Yankees were only getting a few months of Flaherty. I wonder why the Dodgers were not concerned. I hope Flaherty has a fabulous ROS and sorry to see him leave my Tigers.
The Dodgers have a Rotation and a half on the IL, They just need Flahrety to last until others get back.
The Yankees needed to part with an albeit struggling but servicable Nestor Cortez in order to make this trade work.
Yeah, he had to settle for a C in Fangraph’s top 100 and an SS former first round pick. Read the comments from Yankees fans. Cashman is covering his ass for not signing a starter because he knows it won’t be pretty when Nestor starts a playoff game.
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Likely why it wasn’t very expensive to acquire him. No complaints here…
Isn’t the C/1B the Tigers received a top 100 prospect? Not bad for a 2 month rental
Yep, Liranzo is ranked 73rd on FanGraphs.
yea he is for next month or so until they update the rankings lol. Hes hitting .220 in A ball as a 1st baseman.
the guru, I mean at least paint the whole picture. Liranzo is a catcher who can also play first base and is still getting on base at a decent clip in A+ ball. Sure he could drop out but that doesn’t change the fact that he is top 100 right now for a reason. There’s potential here.
So, he was a top 100 when Harris traded for him even though he is having a down year… Did any Tiger coaches scout this guy or did the cyber et guys pick his name off the list of top 100?
When a minor league player is 6’3 and over weight….21 years old on low level ball. + his position is labeled as C/1B…..it means hes not any good at C. Dodgers are smart they know if they put a C by his name it doubles his excel model value lol. Then they trade these feaux model value for big leaguers that help them win the penant and rinse repeat next year.
Being 21 in high A ball is actually pretty dang good (about 2 years younger than average for that level) and hey, the scouting reports say he’s a decent catcher. I agree with the rinse and repeat part, but anyone can break out. Yordan Alvarez was a nobody traded for a nobody relief pitcher and now look. I still think it’s good value for a guy with odd medicals in Flaherty. Also, everything I see on Liranzo says he’s 6’3 and 195 pounds, which is a fine ratio.
Tatis was another one.
MLB has him as the Tigers 5th ranked prospect. The 4 ahead of him are all MLB top 100.
Yep. And he’ll be joining the Clark, McGonigle and Anderson gang in High A ball. The Tigers are looking to bring these guys up together like previous regimes did with Morris/Gibson/Trammell/Parrish/Petry/Whittaker, etc. Serious development takes more than two seasons.
I like the 1984 type analogy. They built a team back then too!
This is dumb if this is true. 1 of 5 of these guys will end up being an avg mlb player. Look at KC Royals….they won 56 games last year, 22 worse than the Tigers. They dominated the FA this past winter and now just dominated the Trade deadline. Their FO is working circles around Detroits. Detroits office is building up A ball teams to call them up at once to learn on the job for a couple years and rebuild lol
Or we could look at teams like Houston and TB who always have the “next man up” ready and waiting in the wings because they built a minor league system that can feed the big club with good prospects. I’ll take that instead.
I’m a big fan of this front office, especially for getting Lugo and extending Bobby. However, I dont know if getting Paul DeJong is dominating the deadline, even if I do like the pitchers. To me, it looks like Detroit’s new front office has to undo what the previous regime did, and that takes time. I think Detroit has some pretty good athletes in their system now and they should be able to build a better team than what we’ve been seeing the past 8 years.
Piccolo is doing a great job in KC too mixing and matching. Cheers dude.
Fangraphs came out with an article yesterday with the trade winners and loser. KC improved their odds and wins the most of any team at the deadline. Yordan is not lirzano. Everyone has seen lirzano….and the guys i trust say he shouldn’t be behind the plate. Yordan was an instant star 1 day after he stepped foot on USA soil. I saw him with my own eyes in low A and couldn’t believe it. He didn’t just breakout one day..
With a bad back.
Obviously LAD didn’t have a problem with them. Probably because it’s HALF A SEASON! Not like you’re signing the guy to 5 years.
Title should read, “Yankees backed out of competing……again”
Come On Clip
I know, man, I’m hornery. I was hoping for a bigger splash to fill the weaknesses.
I can’t stand losing. It’s why I won’t coach anymore (I know my weakness). I am a product of my childhood 90s dynasty Yankees, I guess.
Sometimes, the best deadline move is waiting for your IL players to return.
The Yankees have Hamilton, Effross, Trivino, Burdi, and Brubacker on the mend.
Jasson is about to come up for good.
Spencer is likely moving up to AAA once Jasson moves up.
Schmidt is 10-14 days away.
The Yankees did some winter cleaning, sending Rule 5 decisions to other teams, getting Big League Talent back.
All in all, I think a good Trade Deadline for the Yankees.
Doron all good points but if Jones can’t get his swing and miss in order, he’s not going anywhere. He’s striking out around 40% of the time the last I heard.
Hornery? Is that a mix of h*rny and ornery?
June/July have been frustrating but you have to admit that many of Cashman’s moves and especially innon-moves this past off-season have looked pretty good at this point, including those he was roasted for (after all, he didn’t have Baltimore’s roster and farm system to play with). All of us Yankee fans would’ve taken these end-of-July standings if offered to us before the season. And he’s picked better fits character-wise too. Verdugo, Stroman, Chisholm to this point look like good clubhouse fits even if the first two have struggled on the field during the summer swoon (don’t look now but Verdugo may like that leadoff spot).
Be optimistic – this season has worked out better so far than most Yankee fans had expected. And Dominguez could really be an intriguing bat to add for the stretch run and postseason.
I feel your pain, Clip. I was hoping for better for my bunch in my heart too even though my head knew it wasn’t happening.
I believe that it will be ironed out.
Spencer Jones is legit.
The Yankees have the remainder of this season, and likely all of next season to sort his swing out.
They will get it done.
And how would you have felt if he was Frankie Montas 2.0
About time the Yankee medical staff stood up!
Doron – they have done this for the last couple of years though, our trades didn’t happen because xxxxxx (fill in the blank) is returning. My opinion – either you are all in, or you are out, and the ya need clearly were not all in at this deadline.
Was killing the Yankees for getting injured goods when Montas broke a few years back. Good non-move by the Yankees.
They learned.
Clip is 100% correct. Flaherty has been pitching excellent since his return. His back isn’t bothering him. A big part of the equation is likely overvaluing Cortes and ignoring the mechanical changes Flaherty made to improve. He’s going to give the Dodgers a chance to win some playoff games. Good luck with Nestor.
He is getting cortisone shots in his lower back. I’ll take my chances with Nestor. You shouldn’t need 5 starters in the playoffs because of all the off days.
Reports indicated the Tigers wanted Chase Hampton for Flaherty. The Yankees weren’t giving him up for a rental who might not even be healthy come October
Chase Hampton is supposed to be good, so let’s hope that was the right choice. I guess time will tell…..
Plus, it really does depend on what the problem was with his medicals. Only they know right now.
Sounds like it’s the same back issue that caused him to miss a start a few weeks ago
Yeah, that definitely ain’t good. Probably was best that he passed on him.
“Prospecthugging? What’s that?!?” – AJ Preller
Yeah right! The Yankees held on to some “phenom prospects” that they refused to include in deals that later bombed out and their values cratered.
As Dombrowski says, they are only prospects until they prove they can excel at the major league level.
Go through the Yankees top 10 prospects over the years
(partial list)
and you will find that very few of them became star players.
Yankees have hoarded many of their top ten prospects
and refused to trade them.
Very few of them have lived up to the hype!
When, they could have offloaded them for better, established MLB players that could have given the Yankees better title chances.
bleacherreport.com/articles/982603-new-york-yankee…
Unlike most teams, the Yankees do not tank for 3-5 seasons, and then pick really high, and stock up with huge draft pools.
They have to build on the fly, and they HAVE to bring up prospects with pre-arb salary in order to offset the high cost veterans.
All in all, I think that the Yankees are doing a great job drafting and bringing players up.
Do they prospect hug? YES.
But it is for the right reasons.
No, they just spend ludacris amounts of money on aging baseball players.
Doron, well said.
Back issues…even potential back issues are bad news for pitchers….come on Mr. Yankee sage….you know that right?
Steinbrenner has money, he doesn’t need Ludacris’s money.
So you don’t trade 1 average player and a prospect for Giancarlo Stanton at a $23 million AAV?
You don’t sign Judge?
You don’t resign Rizzo and DJ?
Aaron Hicks at the time $70 million for 7 years? A good deal that went south due to Aaron going to the IL for an ingrown toenail every other fortnight.
You don’t sign Gerrit Cole to that deal?
You don’t sign Carlos Rodon?
You don’t sign Marcus Stroman?
@sportfan
how does an article from over a decade ago prove a point especially when they had more solid than bad players including most likely HoF in Cano if steroid people get in as one of the hoarded. There is this guy ohhh whats his name … i doubt anyone has ever heard of him. Some lousy center and right fielder hit a couple home runs Daron Baron something like that.
If anything a couple years ago they were trading prospects like hotcakes and getting what they thought would be good investments (gallo and montas as example) and got back nothing but big dollars payments.
Also who have they really been hoarding? They have Volpe Gil Wells hopefully Dominguez and to lesser extent Cabrera who has been servicable for them, Then they have jones and rice that they have held on to. Also i guess they traded garbage to get Soto? Isnt one of those guys someone they hoarded and already a starting pitcher in the majors and not doing too bad for his first run through.
That makes me even happier.
Chase Hampton is a great SP prospect, likely good to go for 2026.
Don’t be so hard on yourself. I tend to agree with you clipper. This may be so, or it may be spin as usual to cover Cashman’s butt we will probably never know, but the bottom line is as you say, it’s only half a year. The montas deal was a lot longer of a fiasco if it went wrong and they still did it. The only thing we know for certain, is that as usual, in recent memory,
Cashman has an underwhelming trade
deadline. why is the back up plan in place, instead we get a bunch of retreads. We can see by today’s game, that relief pitchers and a closer especially, is in great need with the Yankees. Holmes came into finish the game off and not only did he failed to get the save once again, but he almost blew the game except for the heroics of a few other players.
Cashman 100% did not leak a fake injury concern about an MLB player. There is something wrong with Flaherty, maybe it’s not going to be an issue but there was something there they didn’t like. I applaud his temperance, we have gotten burned enough on hurt guys recently.
Flaherty had back muscle tightness in June got two shots which addressed the issue and has been lights out in his starts since then. This is all public knowledge. Cashman’s covering his ass with this leak that could only come from the Yankees. The Tigers and Dodgers both stated they couldn’t share confidential player health info. Apparently Cashman doesn’t see that as a problem.
The Dodgers also saw those medicals, which is why the Tigers’ return for Flaherty was a lot lighter than expected. You’re creating false narratives in your head
That may be a bit harsh, just didn’t commit full tilt towards trying to overtake Baltimore, which to me is the best team overall in the AL East anyway.
1 thing needs pointed out, Scare of another Frankie Montas thing hope didn’t come in. Flaherty’s entire career hasn’t been 1 of 1 injury on top of another as has been the case of Montas, like since the day he signed with boston as an IFA kid and was sitting upper 90’s as a teenager. He’s never gone a season without being hurt, usually a significant injury and not true with Flaherty so time will tell if LA deal (expensive) was worth it.
That was my thought. If the doctors say no, then they say no. But you are looking at 2+ months for a guy that has managed 108.2 high-level innings, and is currently pitching very well.
This is nothing like Montas.
For the love of God will the media PLEASE stop with the “Red Sox have shown interest” crap!! We hear the same tired nonsense about every big name free agent and every big name trade candidate.
This is what the team has been doing for years, ever since they went cheap in 2019. It’s nothing more than propaganda to try and convince fans that ownership wants to win.
Actions ALWAYS speak louder than words.
The Red Sox have not shown interest in this comment.
Sox fan yapping about nothing
Fever – You sure are attracting fans!! 8 thumbs up for a jack-ass comment!! What’s the world coming to?
How about Paxton 2.0!! Why get a quality pitcher when you can get Paxton for cheap!!! hahaha I guess Cora needed some more convincing. Kinda reminds me of the good old days with Martin Perez and that one crappy reliever Cora loved and used all the time…..ahhhh yes Robles!!! hahaha
Remember that stud Connor Wong who after sucking for years started the season hot after finishing with a 79 OPS+ in his first full season and after finishing with a 63 OPS+ in 2022? That guy was the future of the Red Sox or at least until Teel showed up. He’s the guy batting in the top of the order instead of the far more talented Rafaela because our manager is a blithering idiot. Yeah., that guy!!
Did you know his stats for July? (which is almost over) .222 average and a ..689 OPS which translates to a tOPS+ of 69 and a sOPS+ of 88. Just print “back up for life” on the guy’s jersey!! Yet another pretender generated by Bloom and it only cost us Mookie!!!
FYI… Boston after playing SEA has 19 games in a row vs. HOU, TEX, BAL and KC. That should go well!! Hey, but with Paxton the Dodger castaway I think now’s the time for a big run!!! hahaha
I heard a rumor….. the Red Sox have shown interest in being out of the playoff race by mid August!! Signing Cora, Paxton and NOBODY of value seems to indicate the rumor is true!!!
I gave him a thumbs up just for your tone.
TFF – I totally agree Wong has been slumping, did you see the error he made on the stolen base? Unless they can figure out a way to somehow beat Kirby today, it will be 3-9 in their last 12 …. not good!
I mean, they didn’t get the RH bat that they kept talking about but i wonder if Triston Casas starting a rehab assignment tonight played a part in that. Another starter to go with Paxton would have been nice but Priester is intriguing. Sims and Garcia are interesting bullpen pieces and at least Breslow did that.
I don’t know that anyone who was actually available would have been worth betting the farm on. Crochet trying to dictate terms wound up being the one player the White Sox couldn’t get rid of. The Yankees backed out of a deal for Flaherty and the Dodgers basically bought Fedde and Pham for the Cardinals
Rsox – Jansen is the righthanded bat they talked about.
Who could have made a great impact? Tanner Scott, Jazz Chisholm, Blake Snell, Erick Fedde, the list goes on and on.
BTW – Since they made no effort to extend Pivetta, seems like he may be gone after the season.
Jazz is a LH hitter and is probably as bad or worse defensively than what they are already throwing out there. Scott would have been nice. I’m not sure Snell has the skin to pitch in Boston or New York
The Athletic agrees with Fever. They have the Red Sox in the Snoozers category (the options being Winners, Losers, and Snoozers) as far as Boston’s grade for Trade Deadline 2024.
Of course, they also have my Padres as Losers. So screw them, lol.
They had the Angels as winners, That automatically invalidates the article.
Guessing they based that on the trades that were made. Two top prospects for Estevez was a winner and four guys for Garcia. But the trades that weren’t made need to be factored in – Anderson, Rengifo, Ward and Strickland. Prices were high and they foolishly held on to those guys.
Not moving those guys, plus Pillar, in this market is a head scratcher.
None here either! Good to see that Cashman learned from the whole get Montas trade Montgomery debacle. It would have been awful to get an injured Flaherty and also have traded Nestor away
Agreed. Cashman didn’t bite the bullet this time. Live and learn…
Either you’re too kind to Cashman or I’m way too hard on him. Seems he almost always makes the wrong calls in these scenarios.
Probably me that’s too hard on him, honestly – lol. You’re a good voice of reason, brother. I appreciate your posts.
Now watch Flaherty go down with UCL
You’ll be right if and when the Dodgers extend him for 5/$100MM!
I think that teams talk themselves into stuff at the trade deadline that isn’t real. Jazz looks like the best player to trade teams, and we got him. I think a lot of teams overpaid for moderate upgrades.
Rosenthal said Flaherty received two cortisone shots in his lower back within a three-week timespan. That’s enough to pause for concern.
Ewww, yeah, lower back problems and pitching don’t go well together.
Flaherty has missed a grand total of ONE START this year. And been on the IL a grand total of ZERO times.
This is NY PR 101 to deflect blame from disgruntled fans
Doesn’t matter how many starts he’s missed but how many he’s going to miss?
And if the Yankees pull the trigger and make that trade, and Flahrety goes down, you say this is NY Trade deficiency 101….
It’s really easy to backseat drive.
No, you’re not too hard on him. He deserves it. He seems to make every wrong call lately despite the fact that he says that his organization is F****g Great.
I wonder if he’d liked what he saw with our heavenly closer tonight. And what would make him think in that performance so we do not need one. Or a real pitcher
Now watch Flaherty continue to pitch well and help LA into the playoffs.
Flaherty to the Dodgers was fate scripted long before this deadline. I fully expect Jack to look like Cy Young himself for the rest of the season.
He will then become the one pitcher Arte Moreno decides he has to have. Not long after signing a HUGE contract, Jack will feel that twinge in is back again.
The Dodgers were making the playoffs with or without Flaherty. The only question is which Wild Card team will eliminate them and in how many games…
@SportsFan0000 Agreed.
Oh God. Those fans have been through enough.
There’s a physical problem with every pitcher in baseball if you look hard enough
Cash would have gotten Roasted alive if 2 years in a row he took on a Pitcher he knew was injured
Flaherty is not a difference maker. Yankees already have several starters that only go 4-5 innings. Both Baltimore and Boston did nothing at the deadline that scares me. Baltimore had a chance with that farm system and refused to get Skubal for whatever reason.
It is when they have to push Gil to the pen to limit his innings. O’s def got better.
Marginally. No AL East Lineups are scared of facing Trevor Rogers, and they have been rocking Eflin all season long. They gave up a lot to improve on the margins.
Orioles did the other teams in the Division a big favor by going cheap and picking up starters with 4.0-4.50 ERAs
But he is this year and routinely goes 6-7 innings. He was the best starter on the market and LA got him for cheap.
Tigers didn’t want to sell, sounds like.
If Flaherty continues to pitch like he has then he is definitely a difference maker.
That is quite true. And Cashman often looks hard enough. unless the picture is cheap, of course, in which case he’ll take it no matter what injury it has
Hmm…I thought that return from the Dodgers seemed a bit light. Maybe it’ll be a big win for them – or maybe it won’t.
What kind of injury risk is Flaherty that they’d bail on him as a rental? That would imply they see something problematic in the short term that could stop him from pitching (or pitching effectively) at some point during the remainder of the season/playoffs. That’s crazy, if he were damaged goods like the Yankees concluded, how did the Dodgers not see it?
They have the luxury of Yamamoto and Buehler coming back at some point this season. If Flaherty works out, great. If not, they’ve got depth other teams don’t.
Yamamoto yes, Buehler……we’ll see. Walker seems to still have lingering effects from his most recent surgery, and that’s gotten into his head. Trying to get back to what he was before in short order and the fact he’ll be a FA after the season have been obstacles.
Flaherty this season has missed one start and been on IL zero times.
NYY just using the media to offset angry fans
By the way … Flaherty one of only pitchers to not only miss 1 start or less, but to throw 5 innings in every of the starts
There’s no risk with him that there isn’t with every other starting pitcher
Felt like a lot of articles had the Yankees in the driver’s seat for a Flaherty trade, so it seemed curious that so much time passed before he was dealt.
Assuming the medicals were indeed a red flag, I doubt many teams outside of the Dodgers would be willing to take that risk considering their depth.
I don’t know how this works, but if they’ve been talking about him for a few days/week…..why not check the medicals ahead of time instead of at 4:45 deadline day
Teams generally don’t swap medicals until they have a trade agreement in place. In Flaherty’s case, it was only the Yankees and Dodgers. We’ll see what the Yankees placed on the table for him and the discrepancy to what the Dodgers parted with.
That may be, see my comments below. All I know is Cashman always has a list than adequate trade deadline in recent memory. There’s always a reason why he doesn’t complete or backs off a deal and when he does complete one, he should have backed off it like the montas fiasco. And even if this is true, why was there not a back up plan that was adequate. This team desperately needs pitching and all they got was a bunch of scrubs.
I agree, but I would think if you’re getting to a certain point in the deal (say 90% there where you agreed on the main piece and you’re just volleying a final secondary piece)…..and you’re nearing a deadline, you should be able to take that step instead of being caught with your unit in your hand at the last second. Maybe I’m wrong….just seems like bad business.
Flaherty pitched very well here his first 2-3 seasons. After that injuries took over and between that and involvement in social media he went downhill . Never was the same. Seemed to bounce back somewhat this year but don’t blame anybody being skeptical . If somebody was to sign him to a multi year contract next year they’d better get a big multi year insurance policy on him. He’s kinda a head case too
Let’s talk about Jazzzz….!
Traded Riley Greene for Jazz on the day he became a Yank, straight up 1 for 1. I’m happy so far!
The others on the Dodger injured list will welcome him with opened arms
Yanks and Cashman learned their lesson with the Montas fiasco. Like your record, you are what your medicals say you are. Why did the Tax Dodgers see the same meds and still pulled the trigger? Desperation? Who knows? But well-played by the NYYs.
We will see if that pans out.
Who makes the WS this year?!
Rays and Pirates
I imagine the Dodgers weighed risk vs reward and determined it was worth it. The wealthy can take gambles that the poor can not.
Maybe the Yankees were making the trade with the intent of trying to extend him or having the inside track to sign him in FA, and the medicals made them not want to commit.
He only has to make it 2-3 months longer for it to be worth it for LA
Are players allowed to have more than 2 of those shots?
I copied this from a Google search.
Your provider will tell you when it’s safe to receive another dose. You’ll probably need to wait at least three months between rounds of steroids. Most people shouldn’t have more than three shots in a year.
Usually after 3 shots its surgery. The back can only handle a few shots in the same area.
I don’t know maybe so, but all I know is Cashman always has an excuse why he is has a in adequate and insufficient trade deadline. So this is why we end up with a major league ball player who was an outfielder, who is now a pitcher as a reclamation project for our pitching staff. Today’s game shows how desperately we need a closer. We came back a long ways to get a lead in this game against the Phillies, and Holmes blows it as usual at least he didn’t lose it for us due to the heroics of some other players.
I agree Holmes blows a lot of leads, but last night was just a bunch of soft rollers and grounders. Nothing was really hit that hard against an excellent Phillies lineup.
Was hoping they’d hold onto Neely with his elite slider and plus FB…but Yankees love reclamation projects instead of trying some young guys in the bullpen.
I know we’re all a little annoyed at the deadline……but we DO have a lot of options when everyone is back and healthy and we don’t need them all for a playoff series.
Starters – Cole, Gil, Rodon and if we need a 4th…..Stroman, Schmidt or Nestor whomever is hotter going in.
Pen – Weaver, Holmes, Tonkin, Effross, Hamilton, Burdi, Poteet, Leiter, Khanle, Hill, Cousins, De Los Santos, Gomez, Maranaccio……plus, two of the above starters! That’s 16 arms! Can we not piece a pen together?
Lineup – Martian (LF), Soto (RF), Judge (CF), Jazz (3B), Stanton (DH), Wells (C), Gleybor (2B), Rice (1B), Volpe (SS)
Bench Options – Trevino, Narvaez, Berti, Waldo, DJ, Rizz, Grish, Verdugo
No we don’t have 5 aces and a deep pen……but the lineup should score and has good balance. We have some depth options on the bench and lots of arms to try to mix and match.
Here’s a question for you guys……
I’m sure we can all agree that Holmes is NOT the closer as he leads the league in blown saves. Who should get a crack at it starting tomorrow?
I think Weaver has the stuff and the balls for it. Cousins may as well. Both miss bats which is needed. Who is your next up?
Good breakdown!
Weaver; maybe even Leiter since he’s a strikeout machine. Frankly I’d prefer Weaver be the high-leverage situation reliever regardless of inning. Blown saves by the closer are more frustrating than 7th inning blown saves but I’d rather have my best bullpen pitcher come in at the most critical moment.
If at any point they are worried about Gil’s workload he’d be a fascinating option in the bullpen for the stretch run or playoffs if the rest of the starters get their act together
Gil would make for a filthy closer…..but since we didn’t get Flaherty, we really need him in that 2 spot for the playoffs! Maybe to limit his innings leading up to it though
We may also get Trivino back for the pen. I felt he was as good as Effross. He may not be back this year…but I wouldn’t totally cross him out. Maybe September?
Stroman is the Yanks #4 starter and they’re still in here complaining about not getting Flaherty? These people will complain about anything…
How long has it been since the Yanks were world champs with their zillion dollar payrolls and dangerous stadium in the Bronx? One thing you do not do in MLB is trash another team’s offer that you can’t handle by claiming a guy is injured when he’s not. Flaherty’s medicals weren’t doctored or meant to deceive. Was there risk? Sure, there is always risk with a pitcher as hard as they are throwing these days. Something is bound to snap eventually, but Flaherty’s problem is a matter of stress not separation in his tendons and ligaments. So Cashman backed out and then ran his mouth to placate Yankee fans that he missed out on a dang good pitcher. The League should have something to say to him about it.
Why do these articles never list Shohei Ohtani amongst the list of injured pitchers for LAD? I know he wasn’t expected to pitch this year but the expectation to have him back in the rotation next year should factor in to these decisions.
Pretty rotten that the Yankees leaked this so-called news.
Actually illegal to release medical info without patients express permission.
Well glad once again Cash coudlnt get the pitcher he wants and either gets a worse pitcher or nothing.
I think the Mike Elias and the Baltimore Orioles missed a huge opportunity by not trading for Tarik Skubal.
The Orioles had a clear path to dominance in the AL East and AL if they had landed Tarik Skubal.
And, the Orioles had a clear path to the World Series this year when you look at the AL field of playoff teams.
In the playoffs, dominant pitching wins Championships.
The Orioles do not have enough of it in their rotation.
The two deadline deals the Orioles made for back of the rotation starters who are are not dominant enough to shut down other playoffs teams.
It is very difficult to win the World Series even if your team is completely loaded with talent.
When is the last time a team won the World Series and then repeated?!
Very difficult to do.
Consider the Bobby Cox lead Braves
They won 14 straight Division Titles.
But, they could only win 1 World Series Championship during all those years.
And, they did it with 3 Hall of Fame Starters:
Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz
From 1991 to 2005, the Atlanta Braves enjoyed a remarkable era of success in baseball, marked by a record-setting 14 consecutive division titles, five National League pennants, and a World Series championship in 1995.
The Orioles starting pitching is nowhere near that level.
It could have been very, very good with Burnes and Skubal 1-2.
In 10 years, we will know if this was the right or wrong decision for the Orioles.
It is looking like the wrong move to me right now.
You make it sound like Skubal was actually on the trade block, and you crucify the Orioles for not doing something that was impossible to achieve.
SportsFan0000 was clearly on the phone for negotiation and knows everything.
The Tigers and other Teams said Skubal was available for the right price,but the Tigers would have had to be given an offer that they could not refuse
like multiple team top 10 prospects like the Padres gave the Nats in the Juan Soto deal.
Deal available for Skubal AT THE RIGHT PRICE.
Even the baseball TV and major online sports media outlets confirmed these as true facts.
I don’t think is the season to go fully all-in. Let’s see what Rubenstein now with full reign will do in the off-season while the O’s still have Gunnar and Adley.
YBC – I don’t mean to disagree but why not? Gunnar is a legit MVP candidate, Burnes is a free agent after what is likely a Cy Young season, they have the best record in MLB against teams with winning records, and there’s no other AL team that isn’t flawed. I think they definitely should go for it. They’ve got a ton of good prospects and payroll flexibility too.
There was no way Baltimore would give up what the Tigers wanted for Skubal and if the Tigers truly plan to compete next year they need him. For them to say they want to compete next year means they HAVE TO sign or trade for some bats now.
Though I agree with you completely, the O’s are holding onto their top 3 prospects with a death grip. I am shocked they didn’t acquire another SP with a better pedigree, that wouldn’t have cost them Holliday. But most O’s fans were completely against trading for Skubs and giving up a ton to get him.
All of the prep should have been done weeks ago…..how is it not? They could have hired someone…..
Harris should have looked at the Yankees’ schedule…..
and acted accordingly…….
NY plays Tx. next week and again in September…..Boston has 4 games left….
Should have hired someone……
Dude…no one knows what you are talking about in these posts.
That’s because you need to actually think about what I am saying.
[ I am describing a revenge move, gett8ng Flaherty to the arch rival or team that says the Yanks the most. At that point, who cares about the return. The kid missed a chance to deal with Cashman, fairly.]
So, if Harris had “looked at the Yankees’ schedule” then they wouldn’t have backed out of the deal? Why? How could Harris have made the Yankees do the trade by knowing their schedule?
(I guarantee you he knows their schedule).
What’s wrong with you people..? Don’t you all have cognitive skills?
He is looking the schedule, seeing who plays the Yankees the most, trades Flaherty (for.pracically nothing) to them so the Yanks play vs Flaherty at least 2 times….or to arch rival Boston, thus giving Cashman so regret for being a drag.
Jeeezzz louise…..
What? Are you saying Harris should have traded Flaherty to a NYY rival—to Boston or Texas because they play NYY several more times?
That’s not at all clear from your earlier comments.
Bcjd is right Fife you were not very clear about it. All good dude. Cheers.
Believe this story is Cash-man propaganda. Spin to “show” fans they were in on the big trade deadline deals. “Fighting for u guys, we’ll leave no stone unturned to give u fans the best yankee product on the field possible.” See yanks were in on em. Cashman doesnt suk that bad. Dodgers looked @them same medicals. As Dodger fan, thank u NYY.
I think you’re probably right that this story was leaked by NYY so fans would believe they were being diligent. That doesn’t mean it’s not true.
I’m a Dodger fan too. But I think Friedman gambled big time to acquire a player with Flaherty’s history. It seems more like a desperation move to appease Dodger fans. The Dodgers should’ve done as San Diego did & bolster the weary bullpen. If you haven’t noticed the bullpen has collapsed under Robert’s over use of the relievers. Flaherty is a Hail Mary pass IMO …
Everytime I read one of these leaked reports, I think it’s a HIPAA violation.
Knowing how poorly the Dodgers manage pitching, Flaherty goes on the IL in 3…2…1…
Flaherty probably doesn’t pitch for ten days & then they IL him to rest his aching back.
“Gunshy” is not a word.
HIPPA only applies to medical professionals. The player signed a waiver allowing the doctors to share the information with the team. Once a non-medical person has it, HIPPA is irrelevant. (There may be other privacy laws that apply, but I’m sure the team’s lawyers have thought this through).
But the team cannot then reshare information with the media. That is a violation.
That’s incorrect. HIPPA places no restrictions or obligations on anyone who is not a healthcare provider.
Teams may have other legal obligations to keep the information private, perhaps by contract or the CBA. But HIPPA only ever applies to medical professionals and providers.
I want to take you at your word, but I hear HIPPA all the time in my work environment (education) when medical documentation is shared with me. I now wonder if they just toss out that word rather than a BOE policy.
Holden: You bring up a valid point, but the CBA has a permission clause contained therein for teams to share limited injury information at the team’s discretion.
Yes, it’s a widespread misconception that HIPPA applies outside the healthcare profession. But again, there may be other laws or workplace policies that do apply, so it’s just as well that everyone is assuming medical records need to be kept private.
The first “p” in HIPPA stands for ”portability.” When Congress passed HIPPA in 1996, healthcare was just going digital. The goal of HIPPA was to set standards to encourage uniform digitization of healthcare records so patients could easily share them across providers. The privacy components were included not as primary policy goals, but as limits on the portability.
It’s common knowledge that Flaherty has shoulder problems. Here’s from a May 2022 article from MLB.com. “Flaherty, the Opening Day starter in 2020 and ’21, has pitched two seasons with a minor tear and bursitis in his throwing shoulder. In hopes of avoiding surgery, the Cardinals put him on a rehab plan in March, in which he used injections of platelet-rich plasma, as well as a strengthening program and rest, to alleviate the inflammation.”
Detroit got a very good return, and everyone in Detroit hopes he stays healthy and pitches well for the Dodgers. L.A may not be in better shape city wise, but it’s nice and sunny there so that makes it seem so.
Fairly weak return, IMO. Not sure either one has much of a MLB future. Liranzo may be nothing more than a 1B, which our org has very few. However, not sure his hit/power will be better than replacement value on MLB
Media says the dodgers got a deal…5 mins later on damaged goods..O
Once again the Dodgers snookered Pee Wee Harris by taking him down to inside ten minutes, end of business. The Freep detailed the offer he got from Houston but decided to pass on to play who blinks. The Dodgers don’t care for the ex-Giants guy. They knew they had him when the Yanks bailed and whittled down their offer to what it ended up as. Harris claims he got the :”catcher of the future”….I wonder what Dingler thinks of that? Harris couldn’t care less what anybody thinks other than Chris Ilitch. What I want to see is when he pulls the plug on Hinch and gets a manager and coaches who know what they’re doing. Don’t like Hinch getting smoked? look at his record in Detroit.
I do think Harris got played, again, at the deadline. His inexperience shows. Also, not a fan of AJ. Avila left Harris with a AAA+ roster, except for pitching, and a prospect pool very thin on top talent. I don’t see Detroit having a legitimate contending roster until ‘27 or ‘28. We still don’t have solid prospects for SS or 3B. We also don’t have any plus defenders. It will take more time than modt fans want to hear.
The Tigers have one of the best kinor keague systems in the league. They are not lacking for talent in the minors and just drafted a wicked SS in Rainer (along with a few others) with McGonigle still playing SS right now too. At 3B they have Jung who is highly rated (but better at 2B) and there has been mention of Lee shifting there. The minors is t the problem, it’s not having a SS on the big team. That 100% needs to be addressed this year.
Where are the gaps on the major league roster…need a SS, Jung will be at 3b or 2b if the shift Keith to 1b, need a 1b (Tork, Keith or sign or trade for someone), replace McKinistry = Sweeney, maybe sign one more decent starter. Those are the gaps. Next year the kids will keep developing and they should be competitive.
The Dodgers only gave up their 8th and 22nd prospect. Any team in the playoff mix should have jumped in on Flaherty for that price. The risk was worth it at this price.
The Dodgers have endless money and buy anyone and everyone so they can afford to take a gamble no matter what. Of course it’ll work out for them regardless. They are the new Yankees. Pathetic wannabes buying their rings.
Yes, and the writer of this article seems to think that the Dodgers are just overwhelmed with pitching so why not take a chance…..Yamamoto may not even pitch again this year and the Dodgers seemed to be involved with every guy out there who could even pick up a baseball to throw it but they’ve got a wealth of pitching depth according to Nick Deeds
Still crying about the Dodgers, huh?
Now that I’ve taken a deep breath, I’m glad we didn’t get Montassed again. Wish we could have gotten another arm though… the packages (outside of Kikuchi) were pretty light.
Pitch the kids like Warren….give them 2 months or experience before the playoffs….
I’m okay with that. Was hoping for another front line starter though ideally. Can’t always get what you want.
The real question is on what date do the Padres and Diamondbacks pass the Dodgers in the standing?
The way the Dodgers are playing the Padres will catch them in about 10 days or less.
Sounds like a classic “She didn’t break up with me, I broke up with her!” situation. Cashman was under pressure to add a starter, publicly enters negotiations with DET, DET didn’t like his offers, moved on. Indeed, there was so little on the NYY farm to offer that they were trying to include Cortes in the deal. Cashman never finds a starter, leaks to Rosenthal that it wasn’t because his offers were wanting, it was because of the other guy’s medicals. If I were Flaherty, I’d sue Rosenthal for libel and make him reveal his “sources.”
“so little on the NY farm”….getting really tired of hearing how a farm system ranked mid stream doesn’t have enough to complete trades….guess that’s why every team the Yankees engage wants Dominqguez and/or Jones to start the conversation and then throws in warren for good measure….. which is an apparent stop sign for the organization….and as far as Detroit not liking his offers….is’t it Cash’s responsibility to initially offer as little as possible to make a trade rather than throwing the kitchen sink at a team and then having them come back and ask for more….maybe Cash finally learned from his trades with Billy Beean who does exactly that….
Not mid stream anymore after the trades for Jazz and Leiter
Injured starter? Perfect for the dodgers
Flaherty is beyond overrated. Check out his history
Sweeney is the prize of the package which isn’t saying much. He has no range, cant hit for pop and needs a swing change. Liranzo is just a throw in 1st baseman who can’t hit.
Dodgers gave them 2 guys they didn’t want for a top 10 mlb starter this year. Shouldve taken the Astros return.
Liranzo was ranked #74 in one of the top 100 lists. He is a catcher and plays some 1B. Read up on him. He actually sounds like a good prospect. Sweeney looks more like a backup IF in the long run but that’s better than Baez so call him up to play tomorrow!
At least this time he had a backup plan, unlike last year. It does go a ways in explaining why he ended up with less than many thought Flaherty would bring.
Friedman is way way over-rated as the POBO. HE picked up a damaged head case SP & a damaged utility guy that hasn’t played a game this season due to injuries plus a few more high mileage utility guys. He could have brought back Justin Turner to play 3B but allowed Seattle to get him for nothing. That’s my 2 1/2 cents worth.
I’m afraid Flaherty’s success this year is just an outlier.
Except he’s been successful before so it’s not an outlier.
If I closed my eyes I might start to guess that the Wilpons were running this franchise
Yankees aren’t winning a WS no time soon. Cash man doesn’t have a clue how to run a team.
At the end of the day, it’s Jack Flaherty, not Jack Morris. He’s a nice pitcher but not worth our top prospects. The tigers have always clutched pearls when it comes to dealing their studs.
Skubal is part of a rebuild that isn’t going to be good for a while. I get wanting to keep him around. He’s tremendous, but if the tigers aren’t signing him long term, they would have been smart to trade him at his peak before he gets hurt like Boyd, Mize and Manning.
The only gaps on the roster are SS, 3B and 1B and they all might be filled internally by the end of the year. They already had one of the better trios of SP before the Flaherty trade with Jobe on the way. Another year of letting the kids develop and they are right there. Everyone predicted a lost season for KC and Cleveland this year and look where they are.
Low ball offers for Skubal by arrogant teams trying to steal him for below market value was never going to get a deal done.
The Orioles fallback position was a couple of starters with 4.50+ ERAs?!
Good luck with that plan in the playoffs.
How did it work out last year?!
“1 and out” for the Orioles/
Flaherty is going to need shoulder SLAP surgery at some point.
It could be in 2 weeks. It could be in 2 years. It could be long after he’s retired. Rest and healing helps. But it doesn’t solve the problem.
It’s been an issue for awhile now. Which is why he’s rarely pitched a full season again until recently.
Regardless, his attempt at a long term contract is hindered by this as well. For one year, he’s worth the money. Anything past that probably isn’t.
you are not a top 10 sp in mlb this year with shoulder problems or any problems at that. It can’t be done.
While being interviewed about his dismal performance for the Yanks, Cashman avoided the question about starting the rumor that Flaherty’s medicals didn’t measure up. In other words, he knows the League is looking into what he did at the deadline to diminish the return for Jack. Whether it worked or not, this is dirty tactics, schoolyard tactics, rumor-mongering that hurt the Tigers’ chances on a fair return. I know what Al Avila would have done…he’d have gotten Cashman on the phone and told him what he can expect the next time he lays eyes on Cashman. Of course that would never occur to Pee Wee Harris, not exactly a physical specimen. There was a pic of Cashman smirking into his hand with the article that was enough to make Tiger fans’ blood boil. Nothing will come of it because the Yanks are the Yanks and the Tigers are….well, the Tigers since Mike Ilitch left us..
They could have hired someone to take care of all that……
So the Yankees “plan” was to “tank Flaherty’s value” in trade talks
so that no other competitor team acquired Flaherty for the stretch run?!
Was Cashman pissed that Scot Harris and the Tigers were not “biting” on his low ball offer?!
Who authorized Cashman and the Yankees to privately disclose Flaherty’s private medical information to other teams Front Offices?!
Have the Yankees and Cashman every heard of Federal HIPAA laws?!
The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient’s consent or knowledge.`
I am not seeing the part in this story where Flaherty and/or his agent waived their rights under HIPAA and gave the Yankees permission to disclose Flaherty’s Medical Information to other teams?!
Do they have something in writing proving the Yankees were allowed to disclose Flaherty’s present and past medical situation to the press and other Front Offices and Officials?!~
So all of a sudden 8-12 teams who all had serious interest in Flaherty and should have asked for his medicals to make their own determination as to whether to make offers for Flaherty?!
(suddenly disappear and Flaherty’s market value dries up?!
I understand some who shy away from medical risks, but many players traded have medical risks.
Arguably, any pitcher who has pitched a significant number of innings in high school, college and the pros could be a candidate for Tommy John surgery at some point in their career.
At least the Dodgers understand that and did not let that stand in their way of making a deal.
However, Flaherty’s trade value appeared to be damaged by how the NYY o.ther teams and the press handled this situation.
These are the kind of tactics against players that breed lawsuits and intervention
from the MLB Players Association.
It’s not. He got traded. The Yankees being freaked out about his going to need SLAP surgery eventually isn’t news either. Everyone who wants him can look at his medicals.
That is not how it went down according to press reports/
Yes, as I stated, any team that wants to prepare a trade offer for him has a right to ask to see the player’s medical records.
However, that request must be directly from that team
to the players team, Front Office, Agent, Player.
It is not appropriate for 1 team (NYY)to leak a player’s medical records to the press. NYY appeared to use that tactic to tank Flaherty’s trade value thinking that perhaps the Tigers would lower their demands?!
When the Tigers and Harris pivoted to the Dodgers, then
this tactic backfired on the NYY.
Flaherty was still traded, but the return to the Tigers from the Dodgers may have been higher if the Yankees had not leaked Flaherty’s medical records to the Press and to Other teams.
That is against multiple rules and laws.
The Tigers have the right to file a complaint and claim against the NYY with the Commissioner’s Office for their tactics of leaking the Flaherty’s medicals to the press and to other teams.
It is a”below the belt” negotiating tactic that warrants investigation, penalties and compensation in player or players from the NYY.