The Red Sox brought in their second high-leverage reliever of deadline season. Boston acquired hard-throwing righty Luis García from the Angels for four minor league players: first baseman Niko Kavadas, outfielder Matthew Lugo and pitchers Yeferson Vargas and Ryan Zeferjahn. The Sox had also acquired Lucas Sims from Cincinnati earlier in the day.
García, 37, was one of the better rental relievers available. He carries a 3.71 ERA through 43 2/3 innings. García is keeping the ball on the ground at a robust 51.2% clip while posting decent strikeout (22%) and walk (7.7%) numbers. That’s generally in line with his overall track record. García relies heavily on a power sinker to keep the ball down. His swing-and-miss rates are more solid than exceptional but it’s an effective profile overall.
Since the start of the 2021 season, García owns a 3.64 earned run average in 204 appearances between three teams. He has a 23.1% strikeout rate with a 7.5% walk percentage while getting grounders upwards of 54% of the time. It’s a different profile from Sims, who misses more bats but has less consistent strike-throwing ability.
The Halos signed García to a one-year, $4.25MM free agent deal over the winter. Los Angeles had completely overhauled its relief group via free agency last offseason. The García pickup was the only one that really worked as the front office envisioned. Boston assumes the roughly $1.39MM remaining on that contract through season’s end.
L.A.’s deft free agent pickup allowed them to net four minor leaguers. None of them are top prospects, but three of them could conceivably reach the majors late this year. Baseball America ranked Lugo 23rd in the Boston system. BA writes that the 23-year-old improved his plate discipline and has upped his offensive profile this season. The Puerto Rico native absolutely destroyed Double-A pitching at a .315/.405/.664 clip in the first half. He has a .250/.340/.452 line over 35 Triple-A games, where he’s striking out at a 27% rate. Lugo began his career as a shortstop prospect but seemingly projects to a corner outfield spot.
Kavadas, a Notre Dame product, has posted huge offensive numbers in Triple-A. He’s hitting .281/.424/.551 with 17 longballs through 335 trips to the dish. Kavadas doesn’t provide any kind of defensive value and he’s striking out a third of the time in the minors. It’s a difficult profile to pull off, but he has huge power and is on the doorstep of the majors.
Zeferjahn, 26, is a former third-rounder out of Kansas. The 6’5″ righty has a 3.52 ERA over 38 1/3 combined innings of relief between the top two minor league levels. He’s striking out 31.3% of opponents while issuing walks at an 11.8% clip. Vargas, a 19-year-old righty out of the Dominican Republic, is the one low minors development play of the group. He just reached Low-A after throwing 31 2/3 innings in the complex league.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the Red Sox were acquiring García. Sam Blum of the Athletic reported the Angels’ return.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Finally another trade… Jeebus
i dont mind keeping anderson around at $13 mil next year. another desdline candidate or offseason trade candidate for a new group, same with rengifo. while rengifo’s value is at an all time high it would have been smart to trade him, but ward’s is at a recent low and i get hanging on to him and hoping for more time removed from his hbp will improve his confidence and results. pillar should have been traded, even just for filler depth like this trade.
Rengifo was kept more than likely because they knew Rendon was going back to the IL. #shocker
Now do Pillar
Noooo!
Not trading Pillar is seriously the dumbest thing. There’s zero reason to keep him.
Nobody ever said the Angels were smart..
As a Rangers fan I actually do think the Angels have been smart at times, but I thank the baseball gods often that Arte Moreno still owns them and overrides the front office regularly.
Hew not getting traded
Confirmed? Oi vey…
Deadline passed 4 minutes before you posted.
Pillar is not getting traded
I can’t believe the angels didn’t trade Anderson and rengifo and ward and pillar, at least the Rockies and nationals kept only 1 guy worth trading (in McMahon and finnegan) but the angels should’ve traded these people
They should have traded Pillar, Moore and Drury, even if only cash or a PTBNL
But for Anderson, Rengifo and Ward, the return needed to be good.
I don’t think other teams were offering anything good for them.
I like some of these veterans like Pillar, Moore, and Drury, but if they aren’t going to re-sign them for 2025 then they should have traded them for anything that they could get. The Angels should be playing guys from this point forward that could help them in 2025 and beyond. Maybe other teams didn’t offer anything at all or dislike dealing with the Angels front office, or is it that Moreno has too much input and other teams just worked out other deals with other teams that were easier to work with?
Nice job
Joyce I’d assume closes now…
Yes, but can he throw strikes
Correct
Joyce has looked good since he learned the splinker.
They did their job with the bullpen
We will see. This is the only guy that looks half decent
disagree. Preister has upside as a starter. People are too quick to write off a 23 year old after under 100 innings of MLB> Sims is fine too.
He did well in the Minors but has an ERA over 5.00 in the Majors… hard to tell. Going off our relief acquisitions at the previous deadlines, I’m not sold. I like that he’s young
Sims has an FIP over 5.00 and has had this last year as well
less than 100 innings isn’t really a strong sample size to judge from especially from a 23 y/o.
Yeah priester actually looks decent upon a second look but I’m not sold on Sims
Sure, but how many times over the years have the Sox traded for bullpen help and it blew up in their faces? Tyler Thornberg, Carson Smith, even Andrew Bailey.
Don’t expect much from Garcia.
Garcia is 37. Maybe he’ll pitch well, maybe he won’t, but he’s here because he’s short money on an expiring contract.
Best case scenario he pitches like Hansel Robles after the trade in ’21. Worst case he pitches like Robles did in ’22
Mark Melancon….God, now I’m getting PTSD from thinking about this illustrious bunch.
Don’t forget the guy the Red Sox got from Pittsburgh for Melancon: Joel Hanrahan.
Bass – Hanrahan was absolutely electric before that trade, so disappointing he got hurt.
At least the Sox got a throw-in that overachieved for them, Brock Holt.
Yeah just shouldnt ever trade for reliever because some didnt work. SMH.
The only right handed bat Breslow picked up was a catcher. Do you have any idea how often I read here that they needed a right handed bat? Where is it?
Eric Gagne might top them all, what a disaster that was
You mean Eric GAGne? Those g’s aren’t silent. Steroids blew up in his face
flip – That’s because even though Theo knew that Gagne was a juicer, he still traded for him.
One of many Theo blunders.
Like all teams, the Sox have a mixed record with …well, all players really…but relievers in particular. If we’re specifically looking at trade deadline acquisitions, you’ve got Derek Lowe, Ugueth Urbina, Curt Leskanic, Mike Meyers, Heath Hembree, Stephen Wright, Joe Kelly, and Breslow himself who had a 2.70 ERA for Boston the summer he was acquired. Yeah, Gagne was a disaster, but that wasn’t really foreseeable since he had been stellar in Milwaukee that year. Melancon, Thornburg and Bailey were off-season acquisitions.
So the recent track record for Boston at the deadline is mixed, not terrible. Time will tell how these transactions pan out.
I read most of the title and got very excited for Rengifo, although I thought they said they were just looking for pitching.
Anyways, seems like a good pickup
Price reportedly three AAA guys, not Meidroth. Not much in AAA worth note, this clears roster space for the real prospects to get promoted.
They did well to get something for those guys if they weren’t planning on ever giving them a shot. I must admit their unwillingness to ever give Kavadas even a look even at the depths of the Bobby Dalbec Experience made me scratch my head a bit (though at the same time I get it, he’s a strikeout machine which doesn’t bode well for the next level), but better this than lose him to the rule 5 or continue to block a better prospect from getting added to the 40-man.
Totally agree, if they weren’t going to give Kavadas a shot in May, he wasn’t ever going to get one here. I’m assuming the Angels promote him immediately, and will be interested to see how he adjusts to the majors.
Lugo is a pretty marginal prospect as well, and thoroughly blocked in this organization. About to be passed by Anthony and Campbell.
I’m probably more upset about Portes and Vargas than about any of the rest, and those are just high-school aged kids with live arms. Odds are against them ever making it.
(Yorke for Priester seems a fair prospect-for-prospect swap.)
I always hoped on Kavadas, but his 112 Ks in 263 ABs is really difficult to overlook.
But like you said, some of this is clearing out R5 candidates.
Joe, the Sox also currently have 7 (seven!!!) guys on the 60-day IL. Everyone is going to need a roster spot.
Giolito, Murphy, Whitlock, Story, Mata, Hendricks and Casas.
That’s a lot of spots to open up between now and the end of the season
They can keep them on the 60-day DL through the end of the season, at which point the various free agents (and all the rentals we just acquired) will be off the roster. I don’t expect that will be a huge challenge?
Need to make space for Hendricks and Casas before then, of course.
Mata is an unknown thus far. Casas and Hendricks are expected back as early as sometime in August. Story has had positive feedback about his recovery and isn’t completely out of the question for a playoff run, you never say never even though original expectations were not till 2025.
But, point is, the guys being moved were either DFA/Waiver/Rule5 bound in any case, but their trades weren’t only about rule 5 issues.
Only Whitlock, Giolito, and Murphy are sure to be out till ’25.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they manage to keep finding totally coincidental new “ailments” for Mata that allow them to punt the decision on him until after the season. Between free agents, non tender candidates, and guys who would be no big deal to DFA and risk losing, they can probably find room for him if they can wait until this winter to add him to the 40 man.
Mata is on the 40. The problem is that he is out of options, and nowhere close to being a ML pitcher.
My mistake – misspoke and meant the active roster. That’s what I get for posting right before bed. Though overall meant the same general idea – roster’s a bit crowded right now and he’s still enough of an unknown/not ready due to all the injuries stalling his development but he remains intriguing enough I wouldn’t feel good about giving up on him quite yet. Might be easier to cook up some “soreness” or something of the like so they don’t have to activate him until all those names are off the roster at season’s end. Carrying him on the active roster now is just wasting a spot but if they can finagle it I would not be opposed to carving out a spot for him over the winter so he can come into spring training and compete for a spot next year.
That seems to be how they are thinking… Just get to the end of September and send him to winter ball.
I always love the math portion of the show. I like the classic car portion as well, but at least the math I understand. So far as I can see, we lose (working from this morning’s B-R):
Weingenter, Jansen, Pivetta, Horn (?), Jansen, Smith, Westbrook, Martin, Keller, Walter, Ramirez, Heineman, and Dalbec.
If add back all 7 60-day guys, we’d be at 34. I think that’s enough room for maybe 3 FAs and 3 R%s.
Any idea who the R5 candidates are?
Top Rule 5 candidates are Fitts and maybe Jordan. The rest are in A ball and unlikely to stick on a ML roster. I wouldn’t personally project Jordan, as he is a LONG way from major league success. He is young, and still has an outside chance, but no reason to waste a 40-man roster spot (and start his options ticking) today. Fine with me if another team grabs him.
Lesser prospects include Penrod, Dobbins, and Guerrero? Those might be worth a protect, hard to say.
I think they have decent flexibility for this year. Next year could be a bigger challenge, depending, but cross that bridge later…
Pound sand
Serviceable. Savings. Blah.
So two rentals are gone but all of the guys signed beyond 2024 are still here.
No clue who or what you are referring to
@chaim He’s referring to the stupidity of the Angels not trading more players.
Also, Pillar should have been moved. Terrible decision. Get anything for him.
Anderson, Rengifo, and Ward are still here. Based on the returns other teams received today the Angels should have traded them to help a rebuild.
Arte Moreno refuses to rebuild. There was speculation heading into this week and that has come true today.
Example number infinity of how a horrible owner screws up a team.
You’re blaming this on Moreno?
Oh my God!! Our GM is as bad as as our owner.
@halo11fan could’ve dealt Anderson yesterday. He didn’t drop his price or Moreno blocked it.
Either way this is on Arte:
1. As speculated Arte told Perry not to trade pieces under contract for 2025 and beyond.
Or
2. Arte hired yet another incompetent GM while keeping his college buddies in executive positions so they can hire the next one.
Well. If Perry doesn’t do anything, just fire him then.
I knew Perry stunk the moment he got rid of Soriano and brought in Claudio.
Perry Minasian is a horrible GM. Since Arte is selling the team, I doubt he is stopping anything.
@halo11fan he’s not selling the team. The only thing he’s selling is a bunch of bs. Impending statement we will be aggressive in free agency and be committed to winning and sign Brett Phillips as reclamation pitching project. With his new scapegoat gm he has in place.
I go with number two.
But Arte’s number one issue was not hiring a team President who knew something about baseball.
There is no one in this organization who is smart enough to hire a good GM.
We need a new owner who can hire a baseball person who is smart enough to hire good people.
It starts with a new owner. If only for the reason he’s not smart enough to hire a good GM.
We could only wish Arte was selling the team. The delusional idiot just sent his mouthpiece out to say we’re competing next year.
Moreno pulls all the strings the head honcho he overrides Perry Minasian get with it man Moreno is wearing the Satan costume The clown of baseball come on man who wouldn’t want $3 billion what an idiot
That’s why Moreno hires general managers with no experience so he can intimidate them run the team the way he wants a experience general manager wouldn’t take the Angels job only if they overpaid him Marino spends all this money Albert Pujols, Anthony Randon and pinches pennies everywhere else player development, scouting department, Penny pincher
Arte’s upper level executives are not qualified to run a baseball team. The only reason they have jobs is because they are Arte’s friends.
Take a look at every hire since Stoneman resigned and you’ll see failure after failure. Yet none of the execs have been fired.
The one exception is Dipoto who they ran out of town.
This team will not improve until Arte sells.
@johnny bravo. That’s why dipoto was fired supposedly he gave arte a ultimatum Mike or him, probably butted heads with arte.
Dipoto then went on to win more games while spending less money, develop a top 5 farm system, and make the playoffs.
Meanwhile Arte’s crew created the worst farm system in the game, spent a boatload of money, and haven’t had a winning record in forever even with Trout and Ohtani in the fold.
Dipoto should have stuck to his job and let Mike Scoscia do his job! The Angels won the World Series because of Mike Scoscia’s Coaching Staff, and Front office prior to Dipoto. The team had a good run. They had a great mix of veterans and young talent. Too bad they tried tinker too much and went away from that style of play.
Coach Washington has brought some of same style back to Anahiem, but will Moreno put some more money on into building up his minor leagues and scouting? Why spend so much money on these overpriced aging players like Pujols, and Rendon when they could have put that money into developing young players??? They have lost out on over a decade of talent! I have lived in Orange County my whole life. Angels Fans will support the Angels if they build from youth and fill in with Veterans when needed!
He is selling the team. It behooves him to wait past a certain deadline. I don’t know the date of that deadline.
I even believe he has a buyer in place.
But Arte can win with a good GM and Arte is incapable of hiring or working with a good GM.
And Perry said he was given the opportunity to do what’s best for the organization.
Translation, he needs to put some wins on the board or he’s going to get canned. He cares about the immediate future, because that’s his only chance to keep his job.
Arte Moreno will not/cannot sell the team. until after 2025.
Arte inherited that front office, that coaching staff, that top 10 farm system, that World Series winning team.
And turned it into a perennial loser with the worst rated farm system in the game. Last in AAA, High A, and A ball this year.
It took a while. Every piece that left was replaced by an inferior piece. Until we got here.
Do you never get tired of trolling?
Rexhudler86
@halo11fan he’s not selling the team.
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My recollection is that he was arguing with the state/county over something. That might’ve been a bluff.
1. As speculated Arte told Perry not to trade pieces under contract for 2025 and beyond.
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I’ve been thinking that 2025 & beyond might be a bit optimistic. O’Hoppe, Scheunel, Neto, Soriano, Adell, and maybe Detmers are the only guys you want to keep. I don’t see them competing for a few years.
It doesn’t look like they have much of a farm, and the only ones with value are probably a couple of years away from competing.
@joebrady never said he was going to sell the team.
Also agree that he’s handcuffing the gm’s.
He was accused of briding a official to get a stadium deal done.
That being said I want him to sell team
JJ, this trade deadline was consistent with the last 10 years plus. The only variable is the rotating door of GMs. The only person that has been here through that time consistently is the owner. I don’t think that more needs to be said about why the trade deadline went down the way that it did.
Keep in mind, prospects are prospects, and most don’t stick at the MLB level. There are only so many seats on the bus…. Our key trade pieces, which are of considerable value considering the hauls that teams are getting for rentals are at or above league average in general right now. Why trade those pieces and roll the dice on unproven talent and set the team back further by trying to fill those newly created holes? An argument can be made both ways. Trading Anderson, Ward or Renifo doesn’t guarantee an improvement in the team. It only raises more questions. I’m just being practical. Emotionally speaking, I would have liked to have seen Anderson traded because I believe that he may have landed someone closer to sticking at the MLB level than any other person that we might have traded.
Exactly. Everybody on this board can see it. Arte can’t and his crew of yes men make sure he always feels he’s right.
If done correctly the Angels could show signs of life in 2026 and hopefully start actually competing for playoff spots in 2027.
This will not be done correctly. As evidenced by the fact we have Anderson, Ward, and Rengifo. All of whom will be gone and/or near retirement age by that window. However, we do not have any prospects who might help us.
He is referring to the fact the Angels didn’t trade Ward or Rengifo who are both controlled beyond this season.
Absolutely useless management. A seller’s market where everyone is overpaying– look at what the Jay got for Kikuchi, a haul for a player not playing close to as good as Anderson. I can smell Moreno all over this. He doesn’t want to deal with the Astros or Dodgers. Had he traded Ohtani, kept all the prospects we gave away last year and traded everyone we should have they’d have a lot of talent in the minors.
It’s piling on at this point, but just like the Rockies, it looks like the Angels are prioritizing a 70-win season over future success.
@joebrady I agree it’s a marketing scheme to promise fans a competitive team while shooting for a .500 team. The reason why I was upset about the deadline. Trading Strickland, pillar, and maybe moore, and Drury probably would’ve pushed the needle. I just don’t get why they kept them, and if teams wanted money in Drury and moore’s case do it. Already know they will put them on waivers watch. Same crap and it will be the same until we have the most expensive hotdogs and have vendors in the parking lot selling food like the a’s for 2k fans in attendance.
If teams wanted money for Drury or Moore, it would have netted a better prospect for sure.
Are they planning on re-singing Drury and Moore for another year or two year contract?
Maybe the players believe that Trout coming back from injury will give them a chance to win the division this year and convinced Management that they want to stick together?
It’s befuddling why the Angels didn’t take this trade deadline to stock up on prospects. Unless of course the quality of prospects wasn’t there. Something tells me lack of investment in the scouting department is one major reason the Angels minor leagues are at the bottom and teams like the Dodgers, even with their limited later selections are at the top!
@alex if that’s the reason I’m fine with it, moore and Drury prices should fall and if they sign pillar as coach cool. I’m just not certain that will all happen. I get the whole lotto ticket debate, but the rays constantly deal 5 players for 20 and contend because they have 5 guys that replace them. The angels have the future superstars marisnick and wallach ready to make the team fine it’s a exaggeration they really do lack depth and that could help the team and not hurt the worst case scenario is we get a better pick that, and he walks away because arte doesn’t pay the slot value.
Peary Minasian should immediately be fired!!! What a horrible trade deadline. He had a chance to change the direction of the franchise but decided to do nothing!!! Fire the Pear immediately!!
He’s a clown. But his boss is the king of the clowns so the entire organization is a circus.
They are both clowns. It’s not an “either or” situation.
I think I was alluding to that fact by referring to both as clowns and the entire organization a circus.
I blame Minasian for the roster construction and I blame Moreno for destroying the infrastructure of the minor leagues.
@halo11fan I don’t agree with the first part. I’m going off what dipoto has done in Seattle. guess that could be the owner part, he’s doing what he needed to do here just feel like arte puts on the handcuffs just look at the track record. Every year it’s bargain bin pitching. Dipoto built a good rotation in Seattle.
@radhippo almost positive it’s Moreno. He should’ve moved pillar or Strickland atleast.
As if anyone would offer anything for them.
Sure they would. They would be lottery tickets, but a fist full of lottery tickets still has value for 2026 and beyond. While Pillar & Strickland, not so very much.
Yeah not too impressed with what the Angels did. Why keep Rengifo when he’s having a career year and only signed for 1 more year? And Anderson same thing why keep him? Because you plan on contending in 2025???
@blackpink maybe Moreno forgot to pay the internet bill. Still possible pillar gets moved at the last second, but he should’ve been doing the dump offs at the beginning of the day.
Yeah Pillar why is he still around?
Pillar is still an elite defender who is hitting at the best level of his career. He’s retiring and there was lots of interest. Similar players not as good were traded everywhere. I’m sure they’ll say they like his leadership and he’s like a coach on the field for young players. Nothing they say is honest. So tired of them. How do you only trade two relievers? Can they ever trade a position player? Ever?
The Angels franchise can’t change direction until Arte stops captaining his Titanic.
I can try. Gotta cell number I can reach him at?
What a joke. Anderson, Strickland, Pillar, Rengifo, Ward, all should have been traded.
@shortstop could be traded it normally takes about 30-40 minutes after the deadline.
I’m holding out hope, but I would be surprised if Perry was able to pull off more than one or two last last minute deals.
I’ve had it. They are so full of crap.
Can I take a stab and ask if you were someone who wanted DiPoto fired?
The common thread for the poor state of the team over the last 15 years is Arte, not any specific GM.
It isn’t Perry, Owner must approve all trades, Perry is just their puppet to take the blame for the shi**y product they put on the field.
You must be livong in 2021. Perry the clubhouse attendant has been running the baseball operation. Very stupidly, I might add.
If it was Parry making the decisions, he would be fired immediately. The fact that he is not, should let you know this poor trade deadline was driven by Moreno. Vernon Wells, Albert Pujols, and Rendon were all deals completed by 3 different GMs and they all say it was Moreno doing.. Reagins in fact quit because of the Wells trade he was forced to do. The other horrible trade was the trade that didnt happen, Shohei Ohtani.
The two trade they did make were not bad in terms of what was traded and return. There was only one trade of significance and there were so many trade chips the Angels had.
Bullpen
Fire the Pear!
Fire the giant Pear!
What a choke job by Arte! It has to be Arte Moreno who is making these enormously huge mistakes because they have been through like 5 GM’s in the last 10 years. Arte needs to sell the team after the BS of not trading Ohtani with no intention of re-signing him and now this. Ridiculous.
Why Perry would not take the opportunity that the trade deadline presents to change the direction of the team is complete incompetence. They are not contending in 2025. There is no need to keep guys having career years (at the height of their trade value) Rengifo and Anderson for next year when you won’t be a contender. And Strickland and Pillar also should have been traded for something, anything. Makes no sense! So now what, waivers for Strickland, Pillar, Moore and others to save a few bucks? That’s coming.
Ever consider that the suitors for Rengifo and Anderson did not want to part with anything close to fair value?
No you did not.
Reminder, there are two parties to a trade.
Wow, what a brilliant thought. Congratulations.
Wasn’t a “thought”.
It’s like FA, all of you armchair GMs, think you can force a guy to sign somewhere. Seen it over and over and over.
You never, ever, ever consider that the guy and his family want to work and live elsewhere.
Prove to me, with facts, that I am wrong.
I’ve been an Angel fan likely longer than you have been alive.
Yikes. Another brilliant statement.
You know nothing about me, or if I consider a players girlfriend’s hair appointments that may be disrupted by a trade. Absurd right? Just like your assumptions.
Take a breath, come outta the basement, head upstairs and have ma fix you a big boy sandwich.
Thanks for the props, I thought it would awe all of you neophytes.
Take a breath?
Hilarious. Pro tip, don’t ever go to a comedy club, you will get slaughtered.
BTW, Ma died in 1986, and this ain’t Kansas, I don’t have a basement, I have a safe in my $2 million home. What about you? DELUSIONAL.
Radhippo “Yikes” means you are correct.
Also, you assume my “assumptions’ are assumptions, yet I know them to be facts, so tell me now, when are you going to make me that sandwich?
Oh no did your feels get twisted? Someone needs a hug
Your originality screams 15 year old.
Likely your reading level when you graduated college.
I don’t have feelings. Wait, yes I do, I get extremely happy when I can help a fellow human wake up to the fact they need to try harder.
Back in 1980 I watched a bunch of hippos hanging out in a waterhole in Kenya. They are all embarrassed for you.
Apologize, a “bunch” of hippos is a bloat. Save that one for when you realize there is such a thing as a crossword.
radhippo – Sees a crossword puzzle for the first time. Thinks to themself “what is this madness?”
Warning was put up. But like most idiots, you took the bait.
We’ve got a full blown lunatic here. Simmer down old horse, simmer down!
LOL. Just working on material presented to me on a silver platter. You would know nothing about that, kind of like baseball, Stove is off, no simmering going on at all. The only simmer is from the kindling your stupid comments add.
Again, you can’t win this. Just accept it and walk away. Gooooo Hippo!
I’ve got three people here. They are writers, some former stand-ups, and they are all laughing their AO at how crazy you and others are. . Never tell a horse to simmer, the word they understand is “whoa”.
Plus, for you and all to see, I am tight with AM and PM. I know what’s going on. What I’ve said in previous posts stands. Not Fair Value.
You’ve got 3 people writing this crap for you?hahahahahahahagahahahaha…hold on… hahahahhahahahahahaha!!! Whoa that was good
Oh yeah. Stupid me. I didn’t consider there were two parties to a trade. LOL
Well, you didn’t, and you acknowledged you are stupid. All in the same post.
IMO, you are overplaying it. Every year, without fail, there is a team that fails to trade away its assets. And every year, fans will come in to defend the lack of trades.
There were a gazillion trades yesterday. It’s almost impossible that LAA didn’t get offers for Rengifo, Ward, Pillar, Anderson, Strickland and Fulmer.
2-3 of those guys have real values, and worse guys were traded yesterday. And 3-4 of those guys definitely have lottery ticket value.
The Marlins managed 8 trades this week. The Rays managed 7, both major and minor. IMO, this was a major miss by the Angels.
there are two parties to a trade.
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And 15 teams looking for help. TB and the Marlins had no problems finding suitors.
I like what Perry did
Pillar is awesome, period
You like that he didn’t do anything? Pillar is awesome? He’s retiring in two months and we are the 5th worst team in baseball and just lost 6 of 7 from the A’s. Wake up. They should have sold everything like Tampa and the Marlins and the White Sox.
Didn’t trade Rengifo
Why do I smell Moreno stopping the selling? We are the 5th worst team in baseball and just lost 6 of 7 from the A’s, but we are holding onto Pillar? Strickland? Ward and his .220BA, Regnifo who has never been a starter, Moniak, Adell and by all means keep Tyler Anderson who is turning 35 and had a huge market.
Rengifo has never been a starter? Ward has 2 more (cheap years)
@cookmeister probably met a permanent starter was the utility guy and played every position at some point besides catcher
Rengifo has started 467 of the 592 games he’s played in the majors.
Perry will most likely be working for a different organization next year and he’ll most likely thrive once he doesn’t have to deal with Artie.
OMG, 4 minor leaguers for a 37 year old reliever?? I hope he is worth it !!
Give the MLBTR Red Sox cult some time to develop a response. They’ll be telling us soon how this is a brilliant move from Breslow…
It’s not bad… Lugo isn’t great. Well he once was considered a decent prospect then fell off and has rebounded nicely this year. Could be okay but Sox also have a TON of position players in the pipeline (Mayer, Teel, Anthony, Kristian Campell not to mention Casas, Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, Wong, Grissom who are all in year 1 or 2 of their ML careers)
We don’t know which four, which implies to me that they weren’t a part of Boston’s long term plans.
Until we see *which* 4 are headed out we won’t know.
It’s very possible 3 of the 4 are rule-5 guys that had one foot out the door for the end of the season to make way for new draft picks and intl signing period handshake deals.
If, on the other hand, it’s 4 low level kids who didn’t need protecting and showed any form of promise (albeit still quite far from the bigs) its less palatable
4 guys that never would see the bigs with the Sox.
They needed help in the pen…. they got two pieces today. They got a starter, who hopefully can stay healthy and another young starter to add to the pitching depth in the Organization….. without giving up anything other than Yorke who was blocked anyway.
I am happy with what they did.
Now go after Crochet in the off season.
Coop – I think happiness depends on whether or not you wanted them to contend this year. Those who did are happy with the bullpen improvement, but disappointed they didn’t address their other needs.
They’ve given up 88 runs over their past 10 games.
Do you know what that averages out to? Nearly 9 runs per game.
They don’t have a reliable SP at the moment, their defense has sucked, their baserunning has sucked, and of course their relief pitching has sucked. Yet they addressed only the relief pitching. Not good.
BTW – Screw Crochet, you don’t trade valuable prospects in the offseason if you don’t have to. They can and should sign Burnes this offseason, that would be the best move possible to improve the team next year.
GASox – Even though Tanner Scott is the reliever they should have acquired, I’m happy with Sims and Garcia. As for Ramirez I hope he gets released tomorrow.
You should have heard the Sox announcers tonight, acting all surprised the Sox are 3-8 in their last 11 games. What the hell did they expect? They aren’t playing Oakland, Miami and Toronto anymore …. they are playing good teams so OF COURSE they will be losing a lot through August 25th until the schedule lightens up again.
I still think 75 wins is doable, we shall see.
2 of the ‘prospects’ stayed in the minors since they have no talent to advance. Sox got rid of some cluttering the minors and some decent ones. A good trade for both teams.
Four(!) minor leaguers going to the Angels!
@pstef123 I’m sure it’s a bunch of players with a pulse.
@Rex I doubt that.
according to Sox prospects.com, Ryan Zeferjahn was inside the Sox top 40 prospects, while Yererson Vargas is in the mid 50’s. the other 2 didn’t make their list.
take all of that for what it’s worth.
The trade was par for the course in a major sellers market where almost all the teams in the hunt were looking for the same relievers to add, and also par for the Sox, who just dipped their toe in the water save the Priester for Yorke trade, which is clearly a down-the-road trade. I will reserve judgement on this move until both players make it to the bigs.
In their defense, their farm system isn’t deep enough for them to take the Nestea plunge like Baltimore did.
They would’ve been much better off being sellers and moving Kenley and other expiring contracts and get prospects back to bolster the farm with.
@smkelly1970 Pretty sure Matthew Lugo was a top 30 prospect for the Red Sox
2 years ago lol
Not sure that being sellers would have made sense. They already had the beginnings of a roster crunch, and adding more marginal prospects would have just pushed other guys out. Not clear that Jansen, O’Neill, or Pivetta was ever going to bring a top-100 prospect as a rental.
Glad they chose a lane, at least. The last couple years were half-cocked, neither buying nor selling effectively. At least this year they added needed depth to the roster, if not front-line talent.
SoxProspects had Lugo up to #13, after not being ranked in the top 60 at the start of the year. He is close to the majors, but pretty thoroughly blocked in the Red Sox system. Has a chance for the Angels, wishing him well.
Yeah, ahh…no.
FSG Dumpster Diving….AGAIN! Bleh…
They couldn’t even get Mark Canha? Really?
Probably because of Casas coming back from Whatever that was.
“Tom Brady ain’t coming through that door folks…”
That’s IF he comes back. One tweak in Worcester and they’ll shut him down.
As a Mariners fan, I’m pleased with the Angels deadline. A big whiff for a team with a bad MLB team and a bad farm system.
I am very pleased the Sea Mice will never win.Never!
I wasn’t trying to taunt you, aragon.
But if you want to play that game, I’m not afraid to mention you’re married to Arte til death do you part, so have fun kiddo!
Sea monster U have made the playoffs once in the past 22 years and we knocked U out last year in your crib so U R the last person that should be spouting off!
I was trying to commiserate with you, rottenbf. I may hate the Angels, but the fans are people too.
Since you asked, don’t forget who put you in a tailspin immediately after you went all-in last year: Cade Marlowe and the Mariners. Enjoy the comp pick you got for Ohtani! With your draft & development & a TON of luck, maybe he’ll turn into a 5th starter or 4th OF someday
No need to be this way folks. Let me tell you a story.
Back in the summer of 1995, after a Sunday game at Angel Stadium, I went home. I knew they were tied with the Mariners. I called my friends you want to go up to Seattle? You want to go up to Seattle? All declined. I said f-it.
Drove to John Wayne and bought tickets to fly to SEATAC and back. The plane was filled with M’s fans that had flown down to root for the A’s against the Angels. I thought that was pretty cool.
Landed, had no place to stay, no tickets, etc. I was used to this though because of months in Europe with just a backpack. I found a place to sleep for a couple of hours, then I went to a “sports bar”, really early in the morning.
At that “sports bar” I met all kinds of interesting characters. I was wearing Angels garb so I was “popular”. I drank coffee, and all other sorts of stuff and then the radio crew came in, this place was right next to the concrete monstrosity.
As the only Angel fan in sight they demanded I come on air with them, and I was 3 sheets at that point because of all of the drinks M’s fans were buying for me.
I don’t remember what I said, I don’t remember what they asked. After I was done, a lady walked up to me and said her husband would like a word. Uh oh.
We meet, and he proceeds to ask me where I’m sitting for the game. I told him I was planning to buy something outside of the stadium. He looked at me and said “You are going to sit with us”.
Next thing I know, I’m walking into the Kingdome. Field level. Behind the 1st base dugout. Of course you all know (or not), Langer got rocked and the Big Unit was…. the Big Unit.
Bottom line, Mariners fans (at least back then) are super nice.
Great story.
Wow. And I thought the Yanks had a bad TD.
John Henry’s bank accounts win again…
Angel fans: Tyler Anderson sucks! he’s going to regress soon and will be worthless next year!
Also Angel fans: Why isn’t anyone giving us their top prospects for Anderson!!!
Not a more delusional fanbase in the entire majors. As an Angel fan I just shake my head and go on with my day.
Go back to Georgia and fall into a ditch by a backroad!
Apparently Matthew Lugo is part of deal
For a guy that’ll be on Social Security next year…bah.
This sounds as good as getting rid of Chris Sale after spending so much $ and time on his myriad of injuries for a BUM, WHILE paying for him to play elsewhere.
FSG/Chaim/Breslow BLOW.
No offense but that’s way too many pieces for Luis García lmao
Numbers mean nothing. You could trade 200 of me and have nothing to show but empty beer bottles.
But even an empty beer bottle is worth 5 to 10 cents each… that $10-20 in turn also buys full beer bottles…
@joebrady you might be right, but it’s hard to say pillar and Strickland didn’t have any offers there were plenty of reports that said otherwise when it came to pillar. I didn’t see anything on Strickland but alot teams were bullish on relievers he probably overplayed his hand.
it’s hard to say pillar and Strickland didn’t have any offers
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I absolutely agree on the non-trades. They had 6 other guys that would’ve brought back assets with varying values. It feels like there is more focus on 70 wins, or maybe they didn’t want the embarrassment of finishing behind the A’s?
Like I said. Delusional.
Is Arte deliberately trying to sabotage the team? No owner can be this incompetent, can he?
Oh he can and is this incompetent. I’m through until they get serious. No one in baseball wants Strickland? Ward? Regnifo? Anderson? Canning? if that’s true they have bigger problems in their talent evaluation.
Sorry MLBTR Red Sox cult members: a 37 year reliever finishing up a 1 year contract isn’t worth 4 prospects.
And of course John Henry would need 4 contracts out the door to agree to paying whatever Garcia has left.
Pathetic.
I’m amazed that Perry was able to land 4 minor leaguers for Luis Garcia. I was expecting 2. I would have been happy with Matthew Lugo and any of the other three. It seems that two of them were likely to be lost in the rule 5 draft. Nice deal for the Angels.
Nonsense. Quantity means nothing; quality does.
Holy cow!! How did the Angels get 4 guys (2 of whom look really good, at least by the numbers) for a rental middle reliever with a 3.71 ERA??
Lugo was a decent prospect and they fell off a cliff 2022-2023… he’s rebounded nicely but Sox are selling high. (could be legit rebound though who knows but Sox have WAY too many young position players anyway and need P)… Kavadas puts up solid power and walk numbers but strikes out a TON… could be a Left handed Bobby Dalbec. To be fair I have liked the kid he seems like a decent enough kid but given that the Sox lost Casas early this season while Kavadas was hot in AAA and elected to go with Dom Smith and Cooper over him AT ALL tells me they don’t think he can handle big league pitching. But best of luck to him
I loved Kavadas in the 11th round, but his Ks might be more than Dalbec’s.
Lugo by himself would have been an overpay wow. Then two guys who are rule 5 casualties with the Sox and a low minors guy I haven’t heard of.
Seems like a lot to give up to me.
The biggest acquisition of the day for the Halos was Rendon returning to his cave on the IL. Addition by subtraction.
Rendon will go to 4-5 Dr’s to get the diagnosis he’s looking for -I’m thinking broken back or ruptured disc. Simple lower back inflammation won’t do for Rendon.
I am legitimately sad for Angels fans. Feels like they had plenty of other obvious trade chips (Ward, Pillar, Rengifo, Strickland, Anderson) they could’ve cashed in for a long needed rebuild.
So Lugo can play third base next year.
Rendon is back on the IL today.
I’d be curious to see if the Angels move him back to the infield 3B/2B or leave him in left field.
The angels are only 9 back from division lead
All is forgiven for arte as he signed a manager who knows what he is doing
Perry didn’t trade Rengifo or Anderson because he knows the team can make up 9 games in two months.
Drury will come through
Detmers will come through
I dreamt on 2-27 -2024 the movie Remember the titans
This means the angels will win World Series in 2024
Remember the 02 angels
On June 8th 2024 I also dreamnt that a rookie will hit two, two run homers in one game.
When an angel rookie does this, this year, you will then know that remember the titans is a reality
Az made the World Series last year, did you really see that coming?
For Washington, 3rd time is the charm, as he took Texas to the World Series twice. The 2nd time the rangers where within one out of winning it.
Also. Denzel WASHINGTON is the actor in remember the titans.
It’s time to let go, get on board and watch the angels go on a 9-1 win streak.
Why doubt
Know that you know that you know
Who is your dealer? I think I need his number.
My guardian angel Gus
Think he’s more like Gold Tooth Masters.
You need an intervention.
Go please yourself in mama’s basement!
Sober up!
I admire your optimism for your team! May as well believe!
Solid deal by Perry. I’m impressed by the return on both of his trades. I like Matthew Lugo and a couple of AAAA players which may or may not pan out. The other pitcher is still young – numbers not that impressive but we’ll see.
@orange2001 just don’t get why Strickland and pillar weren’t moved. Moore and Drury probably didn’t have much interest. Anderson was another that people said he had alot of interest, and should’ve been move for a nice haul probably waited to long.
I’m surprised Pillar wasn’t traded. Strickland I thought was 50/50 chance of being traded. It’s possible that the returns being offered were so low (rule 5 candidates) that it didn’t make a difference. I believe both players are making league minimum as they were minor league signings?
Re: Pillar, I’d like to see him stay in the organization after he retires.
I think Perry would’ve taken anything for Drury and Moore, just to shed their salaries. But that’s likely why no team was willing to trade for them.
I wasn’t expecting Anderson, Rengifo or Ward to be traded because Perry’s price tag was likely set very high. And based on the returns for Estevez and Garcia, that may be the case.
I’m fine either way, as those players can still be moved in the offseason or at next year’s trade deadline.
You’re easily impressed. This trade deadline is the biggest whiff in Angels’ history. Half the team should have been out the door.
I’m very surprised the Sox traded Lugo given that he seems to be developing nicely and that they have a huge need at SS. Do they really consider Story the answer?
It seems like Lugo could have been a decent bridge to Mayer but maybe they’re just going to keep using stop gag replacements until Mayer is ready.
It will be interesting to see how Lugo continues to develop with the Angles.
Lugo plays left field lol. This site’s commenters are literally brain dead
Lugo is not a competent defensive shortstop, moved to LF this year. Story and Hamilton would be the bridge to Mayer (and Rafaela has been doing decently there as well).
I don’t think he has been playing SS. He was playing the outfield in AA. Not sure where he played in AAA.
He has been playing LF exclusively, as far as I know.
Oops – also some time in RF. He’s a decent athlete, if a bit stiff on the infield.
Crack is BAD….
Getting more of a meth vibe, myself.
This feels like a reckless overpay for a 37-y-o who will be around for only two months (maybe three). I don’t mourn the loss of Kavadas and Lugo, because I don’t think they were ever going to be full-time major leaguers (not Kavadas, anyway), but that should have been plenty. Zeferjahn has flattened out a bit this year, but he’s still a power arm and he’s close to the majors and he might yet have gotten unstuck (although he has been around forever), and Vargas is a lot like Ovis Portes, also dealt today, in showing promise in the lower minors (but still a lottery ticket). Nonetheless, four players is a lot. Even if Garcia turns out to be good, it all ends so soon.
I wouldn’t call it reckless but it does seem like an overpay.
Just a quick addition: For this package from the Sox, I would really have preferred Declan Cronin from the Marlins, who has a couple of years of control beyond 2024, which seems like a requisite return for such a sizeable outgoing group.
And my final blurb on the trade deadline activity–I promise. The Sox traded away 10 minor leaguers to acquire four major leaguers (Paxton, Danny Jansen, Sims, and Garcia) and one AAA (Priester). I’m now viewing this not so much as a conscious attempt to limit Rule 5 predation as to open up space on the 165-man Domestic Reserve List, which was 180 until this year. The reduction creates a pretty severe, new limit on the number of players a team can have throughout its American system (Latin American teams are not counted). New draftees can count, too– Breslow may be high enough on the recent draft that he wants those big pitchers counted in right away (after today, he’ll have to put some of them on Salem). And I think Breslow wanted to show himself being capable of some anti-prospect hugging, to go against the Bloomian grain. So maybe that too is behind the large outlay for Garcia.
Folks can argue about whether this overpay is “reckless”, but this feels like it to me. Pick 2 of these 4 maybe??
Who cares if they win none of the people traded were highly thought of
The Dodgers just dealt their 8th and 22nd prospect to get Flaherty. The Red Sox couldn’t get in on this because?????
John Henry should be on the side of a milk box. The man has disappeared after 2018.
The problem is John Henry doesn’t want to pay the rest of Jack Flaherty’s contract for this season. It’s not about the prospects.
John Henry no longer wants to spend a dime more than he has to.
The red sox 8th and 22nd are not equal to the dodgers..plus these prospect ranks are useless as most havnt been updated since before the season started
I’m surprised the Angels so far have just traded two relievers on expiring contracts? Did other teams not offer anything substantial? Did Moreno say he wants to try to make a run and try to win the division this year? I like Pillar, Strickland, Anderson, Rengifo, and Ward but I am surprised none of them got moved. I truly hope the chemistry this team is something special and they somehow have a strong commitment to win because there’s a lot of other teams that have more depth than the current Angels going into 2025. Rengifo should be at least offered a multi year deal
“Did other teams not offer anything substantial?”
Just ask all of the expert armchair GMs. They “really” know.
You’re in here reading all the Arm Chair GM’s comments, Like am. Maybe someone has better insight. Only Perry, and Arte really know the full details
I am. How can I put it without getting specific?
What was being offered for Anderson/Rengifo was less than what they got for Garcia.
Which is laughable.
The problem here is there is a bunch (you all know who you are) that think:
Trades are forced. “you must trade me these prospects for XXXXX”
FA signings are forced “you must sign here because we want you”
There is so much more that goes into it, Family, residential life, happiness, They all know they are going to be rich. It’s their choice, and their family’s choice.
Angel fans here are hilarious, “Shoulda signed X, Shoulda signed Y, Shoulda signed Z” Not once thinking, maybe, possibly, they don’t want to play here.
They got offers. Every player gets offers. It is delusional to think that none of the other 29 teams placed any value on the Angel players.
That’s an absurd cost.
I’m convinced either Moreno is purposely tanking and moving the team in 2029 or Minasian is an idiot, or both. And I think it’s both. Did they really think they were gonna get much for Pilar even though he was a waiver pickup? One week ago Minasian was so smart for holding out for a big return. Now he’s so smart for holding on to the controllable players. His defenders are idiots. No one is that good. They all stink. The team is a perennial cellar dweller. The plane has crashed into the mountain!
I know what is happening, but I won’t say, because I don’t know for sure………. unlike 99.99999999% of the Angel “fans” on this.
Pathetic franchise owned by a dotard.
Is he Boston new closer? Is this an overpay? Just curious. When will Angel’s trade Trout to Philadelphia? Maybe this off-season
Question:
Why on earth would the Phils want Mike Trout at this point? Think before you post.
Teams eat payroll all the time. Trout is under-water, but still has value.
His value is a 60 game player, a very expensive 60 games.
If there is one constant in sports, it is that there is always a GM that thinks he can fix anyone, and always a GM that needs to prove he is smarter than everyone else.
Hey all, just thought I’d post this. I’ve decided to leave MLB Trade Rumors for some time. I’m sick of certain members who jump at your opinion and just make this place not fun to come and discuss baseball. I know it’s discussion, but I’d rather allocate my time elsewhere and not be chronically attacked by certain members for my opinions. It just isn’t healthy for me at this time and I start seeing the forest for the trees and would rather focus on the sports itself.
Additionally, the ads are horrendous and really ruin the integrity of this forum. Thank you and wish you all the best,
Chaim Breslow’s Purse (formerly PWNdroia)
Such a bizarre post. Why announce your departure? Why not ignore the comment section?
Trout giving up again, sitting out the rest of the season again. “Shocker!”
Headliner
Everyone is saying “set back” and possible season in jeopardy
No one has said he is giving up on the season
The only SHOCKER is that it took this long for someone to start more Trout chaos.
“Possible season in jeopardy” for someone like Mike Trout means *definitely* not playing again. He had one minor league at bat, struck out, and removed himself from the game. And of course the MRI didn’t show anything. Of course it didn’t. Always the longest possible healing time for Trout, always delays, always the same story.
He is either staying on the IL to avoid playing, or he has one of the worst/most fragile bodies in the history of sports, or his body is breaking down from long term steroid use (he does have the absolutely quintessential steroid user build), or it’s a combination. It’s one of those explanations, and no matter what it’s not good.
thanks for the update
Next time I am in need of a doctors visit, can I just come visit you instead?
You seem to be the know all, be all, after all.
“Ron Washington said.
“It’s Mike, you have to talk to Mike. It’s all on Mike. How he feels, and if he can go out there. We can’t force him out there.”
Wash said trainers aren’t holding him out.”
This is a very telling quote and shows how much Trout has given up on the team. Basically stealing money from the organization at this point. He is paid more than $100,000 for every single day of the year, yet he tries his best to ride the IL as hard as possible every chance he gets. He sucks.
You play fake GM, why bash someone playing fake doctor?
Lay off Trout, wouldya? If Trout wasn’t getting paid, Arte would be wasting the money on somebody else.
He is either staying on the IL to avoid playing,
==================================
Pretty Headliner just won for the stupidest, worst-timed remark of the year.
Headliner, one of two things is happening. First, the team has given up on the season and doesn’t want him to risk further injury so he is being held out for the rest of the year or two, there are people in the organization that believe that the team has a chance still (helps to explain the teams actions at the trade line) and he is still hurt and needs further evaluation. Hard to say… but one thing that Angel fans do know is that Mike wants to be on the field, always.
I honestly think this deadline and the moves made were about trimming down the 40-man and the rule-5 unprotecteds that someone as bad as say the CHW would surely pick up this offseason, either by pick of waiver claim.
They need to have open slots for their rehabbing injury/TJ guys. They weren’t going to protect everyone for rule 5. Only so many expiring deals and probably already have some rough sketch of a shopping list too.
If you can buy marginal pieces for what you plan to cut anyways, which may (or may not) help sniff the postseason…. why not?
It’s exactly the type of moves chaim didn’t seem to make a bunch of, he just let guys walk (blowing even the compensation for that by not watching his roster churn spending) or get drafted for couch change.
I’d have rather seen them split those 4 up and spend two on Luis, and the other two on another piece, but, either way we know how the powers that be felt about the value of the guys moved at this point anyways given who never got a call-up with all the injuries.
Finally an intelligent post!
I always thought one of DD’s strengths is that he will make decisions on prospects. Not always right, but I found that even Theo held on to diminishing assets too long.
Great post
Wow. A RedSox-Angels battle. Which fanbase can prove their superior baseball incompetence.
Right now, as always, Angel fans are like Katie Ledecky in the 1500 free. They are Secretariat, blowing away the competition….. for incompetence.
Anyone who thinks this team’s failures are Minasian’s fault is not paying attention. The only common denominator in the last 20 years of decline and losing is the owner, Moreno. He has had 5 or 6 GMs in that span and the results have been the same no matter who sits in the GM chair. Moreno refuses to let his baseball people make the baseball decisions. It’s very clear.
“The last 20 years of decline”
Ignores:
SIX division championships
Franchise record wins in 2014
Tons of playoff baseball in Anaheim during Arte’s ownership.
You know nothing. Go buy your own team and manage it, at the very least it would generate laughs. Laughter is the key to life.
That’s in the past. Arte might be the worst owner in baseball not named Fisher.
Arte has neglected to invest in his organization’s development program.
I like it because I’m a Mariners fan. I also feel bad for Angels fans, because I know what your 20-year playoff drought is like.
“20 year playoff drought” WWWWWHHHHHAAAAATTTT?
hoss, worst part about your 20 year drought is you’re only halfway through it.
But maybe it’s the “Curse of Removing of Anaheim”. add it back!
hoss – decline as in the team started going down slowly after Moreno bought it. Most of their success during his ownership was initial and residual from before his ownership. The decline was steady and now here we are with a our current stretch of sub .500 seasons.
Not sure why the attitude from you. Its just a baseball site. Cheers and God bless.
Thanks for clearing it up for me prov. It’s “just a baseball site” translates to “we can ignore facts, make crazy claims”
“Residual”? 2003 Angels 77-85. Look at the roster.
2004-2010 Angels. Look at the roster.
I’ll cut you some slack, you were probably focused on your sippy-cup during those years.
hoss – “we can ignore facts, make crazy claims” What facts did I ignore and what crazy claims did I make sir?
When Moreno first bought the team the Angels still had the same Management and minor league system. He lowered beer prices and was able to sign Vlad Guerrero and Bartolo Colon. He then tried turning the Angels into the Yankees by signing Pujols and other free agents at the end of their Prime playing days instead of building a strong foundation by spreading the money around. The team went away from the Mike Scoscia hit and run baseball, to “fat and out of shape Pujols” trying to hit home runs at every at bat and hitting into double plays. Their fundamentals went down and disorganized. Their minor leagues also began their decline. To the point where they are now
From 2003-2014 the Angels had the 3rd best w/l of any team in MLB. “steady decline”
hoss – From 2003 through 2014, the Angels finished below .500 3 times (2003 – .475, 2010 – .494, 2013 – .481). They also had some remarkable seasons in that span, winning the AL West 5 times. However, they haven’t won a single post season game since 2009 and from 2016 through 2023, they haven’t finished above .500 once. That is a decline by any definition from 2002 through today, albeit non-linear. The decline can be easily attributed to Moreno’s ownership.
If you’re hung up on my use of the word “steady”, fine. It’s still a decline over Moreno’s tenure as owner which can only be attributed to him.
You’re going all the way back to 2014 to make your point? 10 years of no playoff appearances, and 15 years of no playoff wins, for a big market team?
All the way back to 2014? I understand that might be half a lifetime for you. LOL and you want to talk about playoff droughts? How about 1961 to 1979? That is a drought.
I’m a RS fan, so I am familiar with droughts.
But I see no way around this not being a horrible trade deadline for LAA.
There is this amazing new thing, called the internet.
Specifically, there is an amazing website called Baseball Reference.
Give it a go before you post next time.
Right on prov356! Yesterday’s non-moves have Arte written all over ’em. One or two out of Ward/anderson/Rengfo should vave been moved. Player development has been sorely lacking since Stoneman was pushed aside. Until Arte sells or passes away, this will continue.
wow, wishing death on another person because of baseball. you need a therapist.
hoss – you’re a unique tool. jay didn’t wish death on anyone. nice twisting of words and context. you have zero credibility.
B Boston. Excellent reliever. Didn’t part with anything untradable.
C LA. Fair quantity return.
Excellent? He is 37yo with a career ERA over 4. Far from excellent.
Career stats mean relatively little compared to the past 3-4 years, or more precisely, the last couple of months in this case.
Did Breslow overpay for Garcia? Yea he probably did. Did he trade any prospects that are likely to be big league standouts? No probably not.
I don’t think the Red Sox had a rule 5 problem like some seem to think. If they hadn’t traded Yorke he would have been added to the 40 man anyway before the rule 5 deadline. The guy they traded Yorke for Priester had to be added to the 40 man immediately so there wasn’t a gain there. Paulino was unlikely to be added and unlikely to be taken in the rule 5. I think Zeferjahn was probably going to have to be added to the 40 man due to being a reliever with a big arm. My guess he is going to be on the Angels right away he’s a hard thrower with a wicked slider I actually thought he could help this year. Lugo wasn’t likely to have a spot moving forward and he probably would have had to of been protected but it was fringe whether or not he was going to be taken. I agree with Horace Fury it was more about the 165 domestic player limit than the rule 5.
I’m guessing based on what I’ve seen so far Breslow is going to go shopping in the rule 5 since he probably only needs to protect Sogard and Fitts and probably Dobbins now so I think he will have at least 2 or 3 spots on the 40 man to go shopping for most likely relief help.
Breslow did an admirable job of adding some much needed arms without materially downgrading a very deep quality farm system. I think his first foray was much better than his predecessors and it makes me confident moving forward. Let’s see how it all plays out but good job Breslow in not mortgaging the future but still helping the present.
Great take!