The Phillies are acquiring right-hander Carlos Estevez from the Angels, according to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports that the Phillies are sending pitching prospects George Klassen and Samuel Aldegheri to Anaheim in return for Estevez. Both teams have since announced the trade.
Estevez, 31, first joined the Angels on a two-year deal prior to the 2023 season on the heels of a breakout season with the Rockies where he posted a 3.47 ERA despite playing half his games at Coors Field. It’s a deal that’s gone quite well for Anaheim, as the righty was an All-Star in 2023 with a sterling 1.80 ERA in the first half last year. Estevez’s overall season numbers took a dive after he struggled badly to a 6.59 ERA with a 4.46 FIP in 27 1/3 innings of work after the All-Star break last year, but he’s rebounded in a big way in 2023 to become one of the most attractive rental relief arms on the market.
This year, Estevez has collected 20 saves as the Angels’ closer in 34 innings of work while posting a strong 2.38 ERA in that time. While his 25.8% strikeout rate actually comes in a tad below his 27.8% figure from last year, he’s taken a major step forward in terms of command this year. After walking 11% of batters faced last season and entering the 2024 campaign having offered free passes to 9.3% of opponents in his career, Estevez has cut his walk rate to a clip of just 4% this year.
In conjunction with just three home runs allowed this season, it’s left the right-hander with a strong 2.85 FIP, a 2.67 xERA, and a 3.35 SIERA that all indicate he’s been one of the league’s best late-inning relief arms.
In trading for Estevez, the Phillies have not only replaced right-hander Seranthony Dominguez in their bullpen after shipping him to Baltimore yesterday in order to acquire outfielder Austin Hays, but they’ve found a bonafide closer to pitch the ninth inning after the struggles of southpaw Jose Alvarado left him replaced by right-hander Jeff Hoffman in recent weeks. The addition of Estevez should allow Alvarado, Hoffman, and lefty Matt Strahm to pitch in leverage spots earlier in games, deepening a bullpen that has posted a middling 3.96 ERA (16th in the majors) this year as the club gears up for a playoff run.
In return for Estevez’s services, the Phillies are sending a pair of pitching prospects to the Angels. Both rank within the top ten of the Philly system as of Baseball America’s most recent update, with Klassen ranked fifth in the system while Aldeghri currently ranks seventh. Klassen in particular was highlighted by BA’s Josh Norris earlier this month as a notable riser in the club’s system following his promotion to High-A earlier this year. The club’s sixth-round pick in the 2023 draft, the 22-year-old dominated Single-A pitching to the tune of a 0.71 ERA in nine starts prior to his promotion. While he’s struggled a bit more following his move to the next level with a 4.22 ERA in five starts, he’s still striking out an impressive 35.2% of batters faced even in High-A. A 10% walk rate raises some mild control concerns, but it’s easy to imagine the righty moving quickly through an Angels organization that tends to be aggressive in promoting youngsters.
As for Aldegheri, the lefty signed out of Italy with the Phillies back in 2019 but has raised his stock somewhat this year in 78 innings split between the High-A and Double-A levels. The 22-year-old sports a 3.23 ERA on the year with an excellent 34% strikeout rate against a 10% walk rate across fifteen starts. While BA suggests that the lefty lacks an obvious plus pitch, solid command and a five-pitch mix could nonetheless make him a viable starter in the big leagues. The pitching-heavy return for Estevez should be helpful for an Angels club that lacks much certainty in the rotation going forward, especially if veteran southpaw Tyler Anderson is also dealt before the deadline.
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Not too shabby.
Winning!!!!
Typical Dombrowski deadline move.
Phillies fans will hate this move for many, many years. Dumbroski just dealt the best arm in the Phillies system for two months of this guy who is likely to implode.
Not long ago, “insert name of choice here” was the best arm in the “insert name of team here” system. But then, “insert name of choice here” underwent “insert elbow/shoulder procedure of choice here” and never found his stuff if/when he was healthy again. It happens all the time. The number of prospects who don’t make it, no matter their talent levels, drawfs those who do. You’re in a position to win the World Series, and you get a chance to improve your team by trading away the best arm in your system? Do it every time. There’s always another Ricky Tiedemann, Casey Mize, Forrest Whitley, Dustin May, et al, to churn through.
I’m in a conflict with myself on this one. I wanted Estevez as one of my top choices from the RH relievers available, as I feel they needed 3 BP arms, 2 RH and 1 LH , as well as a SP and maybe an upgrade in the OF. I like Hays and think he’ll be a good fit,and think Estevez is. vg pickup,but didn’t think he would be as expensive , as I had Klassen as the Phils #6 prospect and Sam at #11 a bit of an overpay for a rental RP. I also think that the Phils should add Tanner Scott,in case Alvarado + Strahm can’t regain their pre-July form, and and maybe even add another good RH reliever Kopech,Yates, Fairbanks, LeClerc and hopefully a SP such as Jack Flaherty, and the only untouchable prospects Id have would be Painter, Crawford, + Miller(Caba + Tait being close to untouchable).
I’m with you on this. Great guy to pick up but at too great a cost. Eflin only yielded a number 13 and 18. And like you I rate Klassen very high and would even put him in the top 4, certainly in front of Abel.
It’s an overpay if these guys ever see the majors. But, there’s a draft every year. Talent isn’t static.
I can tell you’re a blue hair
I really really have to chuckle at you purple Hayes. According to you, every single time Johnny Angel,preaching from his pulpit, dumbrowski a right handed power bat and a legitimate closer, you scoffed. Yo purple Hayes, get outta here.
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I never scoffed. I said we needed a bigger bat than Hays. Still stand by that. We obviously needed a reliever after getting rid of Dominguez. They still need a better OF bat IMO.
Klassen has the best fastball that has ever existed in the Phillies farm system, it is prime time Atlanta Craig Kimbrel level and Dumbrowski just dealt seven years of that for two months of this garbage.
Haha. Stop it. Don’t be silly.
I love how every prospect is the best ever. I never heard of this person. I listen to WIP every day. We are in it to win it now. Every team gives up players for a rental to win. World Series or BUST.
“I listen to WIP every day.”
That’s why you never heard of George Klassen who will be on every Top 100 list this winter. Klassen was arguably the Phillies best prospect.
Estévez Can be dominating on the pictures mound 95 to 97 mile an hour fastball and throws a hard slider he can definitely close out games. This is the final piece. The Phillies need in the bullpen.
Painter averages 98.4 mph on his fastball in the 5th inning of games, and Andrew Baker hits 104 on the radar gun, but I understand your point. Klassen is a very promising prospect, who could be a RP next year or a starter in the following.
“The Phillies best prospect” Your not worth arguing with because when you say dumb stuff like this, you prove you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Anyone can argue anything…..
But if you read the Phillies prospect lists……NOBODY was making that claim.
Coming out of College he SHOULD dominate low A-Ball players as he is MUCH older. Young kids chase, which is why high velocity low accuracy pitchers rack up Ks at the lower levels. But 96-98 is not some legendary FB and with only 2 pitches so far he will likely shift to the pen.
Maybe one day he will add some pitches, improve his control, as well as add to his FB and make it in the bigs, but this is not a 19 year old ki.d either.
Every Prospect any team trades instantly becomes “The Best Ever’ to some fans……The will be wrong 19 times out of 20, but they will harp on the one time a player becomes successful.
Check that at the door. You are mister closer by committee. You are a back pedaling part time Philly fan. If you think estevez is replacing Dominguez then you are blind to the philles need. Estevez is the philles closer.
What bat is available
No offense, but I can’t even understand your posts half the time. Estevez will absolutely close games. As will Hoffman. Dominguez was traded to make room for Estevez. That’s not hard to understand.
No back pedaling. I’ve likely been a fan longer than you’ve been alive. There’s no part time here.
Von stupid did you see Jim Bunning in his prime ? How about Richie Allen cutting up his hand ? Callison, cookie and tony. Estevez is the Phillies new closer and you are a idiot. Dominguez was not traded to make room for my Phillies new closer.
Your opinion changes with the wind .You are a novice. Since last season ended this life long Phillies fan has maintained unequivocally a legitimate closer and a legitimate right handed power bat. Dumbrowski ✔️ one. You check 0 .
Yep…. That was worth the payment…. Agree with you that another need might be a CF…. With ranger down for a bit, wouldn’t mind another starter. I think they sign Estévez this year as well for future years. I think DD understands the need… and I think DD realizes that he is set up well here for the next 3-5 years with this ownership, team and minor league talent
Dumbrowski sent his lights out closer out the door, he landed in Baltimore. No further comment needed. Closer by committee ,von purple Hayes preference, cost the philles this season and last season. Dumbrowski finally saw the light. Let’s hope the philles not von purple hay hits.
Did you seriously just refer to Dominguez as a “lights out closer”?
Kimbrel went to Baltimore ultimately knucklehead
Lights out closer? Dominguez? Really??
Kimbrel is lights out?? And I’m the knucklehead??
Kimbrel was no “lights out closer”. In fact he cost the Phillies a trip to the World Series last year and he’ll do the same for the Orioles.
Good trde for both teams.
That lights out closer was why they lost to Ari last year, not a closer by committee. Not only are you rude, but you’re also incorrect.
@Johnny Angel….considering Kimbrel a lights out closer is about as bright as putting a handbrake in a canoe…SMDH
Wow went right over your head. It’s called sarcasm you knucklehead
Another knucklehead
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Another knucklehead
You are a complete idiot. Dumbrowski ? Do I sound serious? Knucklehead. Kimbrel lights out ? You are a complete bonehead. Sarcastic or Sarcasm or Sarcastically.
Yes you do sound serious you clodpoll, especially after other comments you have posted. Sarcasm, which I don’t believe this was, is not in your wheelhouse Johnny. Try being civil, try adding a “/s” to designate sarcasm and try to not act like a “Summer’s Eve”. BTW….none of that was sarcasm.
The Phillies lost to the Diamondbacks because their lineup did not show up. That’s 100% the reason. Same as their 2011 exit in Game Five vs the Cardinals. If you can’t hit in the playoffs then you can’t win. Nothing is as important as is your lineup.
Heels is 100% right. It was the bats that cost in the playoffs.
It was also Alvarado. He couldn’t find home plate in two different outings.
Wrong
That’s due to your ignorance of George Klassen. If you knew what Dumbroski just dealt away you would be enraged.
Phillies fans remember Sir Anthony’s fastball when he came up. Klassen’s is next level from that. Seven years of that for two months of this crap from the Angels.
Excellent return for the Angels. Critical piece for the stretch run for the Phillies.
Probably an overpay long-term for the latter, but championships are expensive, and prospects often bust.
Why is it excellent?. Klassen was picked in the 6th round in 2023 and walked everyone and their neighbor in 2021-2023, and now everything has changed based on 38 innings at A ball?
5th and 7th ranked prospects by BA means they have potential. But Phillies couldn’t stand Pat. At this point it’s a win/win, obviously time will change that.
Both prospects are talented. They’re young and imperfect like most low level pitching prospects. Klassen is a triple digit thrower. If he busts as a starter he’s still a high octane relief option. Estevez is a free agent in two months. It’s a quality return for 8 weeks of Estevez. Now they need to add another 15 of this caliber of prospect to create depth. Some will flame out and some will be come productive big leaguers– it’s a numbers game. Philly’s 28th best prospect will land inside our top 10– that’s how bad our system is.
I think about how much talent the Angels traded away last year. This may have been our key trade piece and we get back last years 6th round pick, who has been good for 38 A ball innings. And that includes college.
This kind of mud I didn’t want.
Take them rankings with a grain of salt. Both players were ranked in the 20’s up until recently & neither player is above AA so jumping that quick up the rankings based off low level minor league games is questionable.
I think you should read the recent Baseball America feature on both pitchers. Klassen has made strong in-season improvements, and was overpowering in high-A. As Kiley McDaniel of ESPN mentioned after the trade, several MLB execs ranked Klassen above Abel in recent discussions. BA’s mid season ranking raised these two to #5 and 7 in the Phillies system this week.
MLB Pipeline place them at #3 and #8 in the Angels system now. Not sure what more anyone could possibly expect for two months of a late reliever.
Couldn’t disagree more with how you’re assessing these guys. There’s a uniform consensus among prospect media that the Angels made out *very well* on this trade. And on Baseball Trade Values, they rate it a major overpay in favor of Anaheim.
Yeah, Baseball America is never wrong… lol
Like I stated & you confirmed… They were raised just recently based off play in lower level minors “overpowering in high-A”… which by the way, his ERA jumped in the 4s in High-A. Sure, he was still striking out batters at a high rate but giving up runs in a low level. I also don’t care what the media thinks. I didn’t even say it was a bad trade for them. I think they made a fine trade because Estevez is just a rental. I’m only pointing out that their rankings were recently just pushed that high (factual) based off low level production. You should temper your expectations. Klassen, for 1, came out of college… He should be dominating High-A.
I hope you are right Turk, but Klassen didn’t carry over his A ball success in High A ball and was a non prospect four months ago.
And Aldegheti was even less of a prospect four months ago.
Doesn’t seem like much for an All Star closer.
Overpay if the Phillies don’t sign Estévez
It’s more than you’d have gotten when he walked in two months.
It is a good return. Two top 7 prospects for 20 or so innings of Carlos Estevez.
The Angel’s farm system lacks starting pitchers and power bats. This trade at least gives some potential to one of the areas. They are ranked #3 and #8 in the Angel’s system according to MLB.com.
They still have some valuable trade chips in Anderson and Rengifo as well as a host of mediocre trade chips. Deadline is fast approaching. Minasian needs to get to work. This trade is fine, but we need more.
Sixto Sanchez was a 3 digit pitcher, too – it’s worth the dart throw
J.T. Realmuto was not some generic Carlos rented for two months.
This is like Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Shields though the Sox wish that was a two month rental.
Halo,
I don’t understand why you are so down on this trade?
Everything I am reading and hearing, it sounds like all are in agreement, that the Angels made out on this trade!
I would have hoped for a more refined prospect with a little pedigree.
Who is the last plus pitcher this organization has developed? Who is the last plus position player?
Not some guy who spent almost no time in the minor leagues, but from start to finish.
One isn’t much of a prospect. The other might be, but he didn’t have success at high A, wasn’t good in college, and his claim to fame is 38 innings at A ball. He’s not polished, needs a lot of work, and he’s high variance, and is now in a system that that has no idea what it’s doing.
The Angels had a ton of question marks this year, almost every one of them was answered in the negative.
Everywhere I am reading and hearing including the Angels broadcast feel the Angels got a higher value than expected for Estevez.
Many people the Angels should have only gotten ONE of those pitchers straight up for Estevez, so to get 2 higher ranked prospects, that is a good value
I’d have liked to have Salma Hayek for a wife but I don’t have what it takes to get that
Neither do rental arms have what it takes to get refined prospects.
The Gr8One
got a good laugh from that one.
Could be an epic overpay, the worst ever by a Phillies GM.
When Phillies fans find out who Klassen is they will hit the roof in rage. They just don’t know what they had.
Because every prospect is “can’t miss”.
Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Shields.
Obviously, these are not can’t miss prospects. Both of these are prospects that are on the rise, meaning they are climbing up the prospect ranks.
Both are missing bats, Klassen has 89 SO in 59 innings. Aldegheri has 109 SO in 79 innings Klassen has a little higher ceiling due to velocity, but he has been injured a lot.
The Phillies will find out if it is a good trade in the next couple months. The Angels won’t know for a couple years.
Good take Turks. Agree, good trade for both. Let’s hope Phils win the WS and Halos reap a longer-term benefit.
We might regret the cost down the road, but this is a solid deadline move by DD.. Gives Topper the chance to use the pen more logically, and hopefully strengthens the approach of a few guys that have faltered recently.
And now he gets the chance to play deadline poker for a few days while knowing that he does not have to make a move.
GOOD MOVE DD!
Tell me who George Klassen is.
You have no idea, but you will find out and then this will be a post by you that you hope was not screenshotted.
Might have the best fastball in the minors the kind no Phillies fan ever saw from a call up from their farm. Dumbroski made sure they will not.
“Tell me who George Klassen is.”
OK…. he is a native of Port Washington, Wisconsin · son of Jim and Lani Klassen · sister, Sarah, is a student at the University of Minnesota.
IF…..IF….he lives up to potential I will be happy for the guy but ever single team in MLB has prospects the can’t miss and do.
You are starting to remind me of a guy who used to post here “Casey’sBoyfriend” who would rant and rave about Scott Kingery and how he will someday be one of the GOAT. Hasn’t worked out that way
Actually, upon reflection, I remembered his name was Casey’sPartner
Wish he were going to the Yankees, but yeah, solid pickup for the Phillies. They needed someone
@Pinstripe- Amen to that. I would have loved to see Estevez and Rengifo going to the Bronx in a package deal. But instead, they’re getting another LH OF whose hitting 1-point above league average. How much more could the Marlins of possibly been asking for that Tanner Scott was not included in the deal with Chisholm? The back end of the Yankees bullpen is/has been/will continue to be a very big problem if they don’t address it in the next few days. Bc I’m really starting to have a strong dislike for Clay Holmes. And you can see it in his face now when he comes into the game that even he knows he’s going to blow it, and he’s about to soil his pants
And the American League probably would have lost the All Star Game for the second straight season if he was allowed to pitch in it
2 nice arms for a rental. I wouldn’t want him on my team. Cheaper arms have and will be traded.
You will wish the Yankees dealt trash like the Angels did for George Klassen.
Awesome fastball.
Big, winning move by DD.
An 80 fastball – George Klassen – for two months of some guy from the Angels. Seven years of control of an 80 fastball for two months of a nobody with a rep for imploding in the last two months of the season.
So I just read like 4 of your posts and i have one question
How do you feel about his fastball?
NOT THE ITALIAN!
Momma Mia! Yes, the Eyetalian!
Italians and Italian-Americans are the only reason baseball is relevant (Piazza, DiMaggio, Fletcher, etc.) Love this move from the Halos perspective
But who’s gunna save games for the Ang… nevermind, I figured it out!
Ben Joyce.
Decent starting prospect who is clearly the second guy in the deal. George Klassen has an epic high riding fastball that can ride like a hypersonic missile.
Should have got Crochet from the White Sox for Klassen. One for one would be fair.
Angels could have had Norby and Stowers but they blew it. Mr. Elias won’t be too kind to the Halos when they meet in the ALCS later this year…
lol what?
Huh?
Sure Elias was in on things and if he would’ve offered one of them, Estévez would be in Baltimore, but I’m pretty sure that they were not offered. Phils coughed up numbers 23 and 28 in their system.
Article says both guys were top ten
Fletch is piloting a skiff, he’s trolling.
Good move Philly!
Look at you using the pipeline rankings that haven’t been updated in almost 4 months. Proud of you!
They get updated after deadline. Bookmark this
Ok. Ok. Embarrassing. Where’s the best place to get updated rankings?
Looks like the Angels wanted pitchers. Plus two pitchers not on the 40 man roster unlike Norby and Stowers. The Angels are looking for roster flexibility. Similar to the Rays getting 3 prospects from the 2023 draft for Elfin. They won’t have to protect them until 2026.
Aldegheri is R5 eligible this offseason so he’ll be added soon enough
He might not be protected since he just got to AA. Lots of players are left unprotected every year and they don’t get taken in the Rule 5 draft. So they might not add him.
Pitchability guys with average stuff get taken by noncontenders and put on multi-inning mop up duty all the time. Thad Ward had 51 innings at AA and similar pedigree to Aldegheri when the Nationals took him a couple years ago,
Sorry, this is not MLB the Show, where you can edit players ratings to make a weak team a Super team just before you do franchise mode.
LOL
Laughable
Good trade for the Phil’s, good prospects to give up but if there’s any season the Phil’s should go all in it’s this one. Mets would never match that package.
The Phillies traded the best fastball in the minors – Klassen – for two months of some generic reliever with a reputation of imploding in the the last two months.
Klassen was worth Garret Crochet straight up.
Love this trade! Well done DD!!
You will regret this post when you find out who Klassen is.
He’s an A+ pitcher that may or may not make it in the majors. Usually if you have a fastball like that you end up with shaky control. I’m ok with this move.
I hope this works out. But no mistake they needed a rotation piece. Not I rent be surprised if they get a reliever
Estevez is a reliever
What language is this you speak?
Might have needed,but the kid from Philly, Tyler P, looks like a keeper. Walker is headed to the bullpen.
Aged like milk in the sun.
Rip careers of Klassen and Aldegheri
Angels trade record is very good, the rest is real tough
Arte wiil, hopefully, sell the team after next season.
If Jed Hoyer was still alive Carlos would have gone to the Cubs at least 6 weeks ago.
Well that move is something.
Charlie Sheen?
I was about to say that lol
Rick “Wild Thing” Vaughn going to the Phillies to replace Mitch Williams lol
lol. I hit post comment and my post disappeared. Trying again. I hope this works out because this is needed big time. Now I expect Dave to get another reliever.
Wasn’t he in Young Guns?
Yeah and he also pitched for Cleveland the year before they were going to move to Florida.
And he was great in The Breakfast Club.
I don’t think he was in Breakfast Club. But he did have a nice cameo in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
Emilo was in Young Guns and The Breakfast Club. Sheen was only in Young Guns before his character was killed.
That seems odd. Only the #23 and #28 prospects for Estevez? The Rockies got a better package for Nick Mears and he is nowhere close to the pitcher Estevez is.
What rankings are you looking at? Baseball America has them as 5 and 7
MLB.com
MLB.com hasn’t updated ream rankings I think. But Klassen was backend top 10 in our system and Aldegheri is usually backend top 15 depending on the list you use.
They updated their rankings like a month ago.
Don’t look at pipeline for deadline trades. Their rankings haven’t been updated since the end of spring training. BA just updated their top 30s last week and they have Klassen and Aldegheri as #5 and #6
That should tell you just how unreliable these rankings are. For guys to jump that much simply off of 3 months is crazy.
I feel like there’s more talent nowadays, so that makes variance much higher. Also, it’s become a young players league. Guys get called up much younger. We’re seeing a lot of post breakouts/late 20s-early 30s breakouts, and I think it’s b/c of that. They’re “prospects” without the label, and getting seasoned in the big leagues nowadays
I mean one guy (Klassen) is pitching in his first full season of pro-ball, and he almost doubled his K rate from his final college season. Clearly, they found something to work on him with.
Not really. Klassen was a high variance guy who didn’t pitch last year and is throwing way more strikes in pro ball than he did in college. Don’t know much about Aldegheri, but it seems like his stuff is slightly up and he’s performing well.
There’s really not much separating guys outside of the top tier of prospects.
I’d argue that prospect lists aren’t reactive enough seeing as Marco Luciano is somehow still a consensus top 100 prospect.
hiflew- perhaps it is also indication of a “poor” farm?!
These two will probably be numbers two and three for the Angels bottom three rated system. It could be a good deal for both.
I saw the same thing #23 and #28 but I guess that MLB prospect ranking hasn’t been updated? And they’ve moved up to top 10.
1 pitcher seem decent and the other, terrible.
They were updated a couple weeks ago.
Hold on… they’re 23 and 28 in the Philly’s organization. Klassen will be in the top 10 for the Angels and most likely so will the Italian. Baltimore’s 30th ranked prospect has better numbers than anyone in the Angels’ organization. Placement and value is relative.
Emilio got his start in ‘Repo Man’, which wouldn’t be a bad nickname for Carlos.
Klassen will be in the Top 100 lists this winter. Everyone in the industry knows who he is. The lists are old now.
hiflew
you may want to go back and check your facts
They are both rated higher
Angelsfanz1972
You may want to go back and read the definition of a fact
Ratings are nothing but opinions, no matter who gives them.
Hiflew
ok , hang you hat on that one.
Are you not basing your “opinion” as well? I love that you are coming back at me about your opinion.
The difference is that I am not claiming my opinion as a fact . I know it is my opinion and I will always share it. But I am never going to confuse it with a fact.
Everyone on this site is doing nothing but giving opinions. There is nothing factual about baseball analysis other than the stats themselves. But someone’s analysis of those facts is still just an opinion.
so you have opinions, just like I have opinions
You can spin what I wrote all you want. I was merely pointing out you had some old or bad information.
Time to move along Mr Grumpypants.
I assume Estevez won’t be closing in Philly?
i wouldnt assume that.
He will. They close by committee.
Not any longer
Guarantee Hoffman still gets some save opportunities.
Personally I would think he would be the closer. Teams like to throw an older player with that “closer” label in the role just to fill the spot (knowing that the 9th isn’t even the most important inning because, among other reasons, the closer can afford to give up, say 2 runs in a three run game with no ill effect but other relievers can’t do that cause every run counts). They also like to keep young guys from closing to get lower arb. salaries (and like to give the role to a guy with a set contract, especially a short one to get that little trade value boost that exists for some reason-not that it applies here). I also think they don’t like their relievers all desiring to get the closer role. It creates a scenario where you are possibly rooting against your own teammate and team for personal reasons. Potential half-conscious animosity.
Hmm, the update to the article says he’ll be the closer.
I’m not gonna slight the MLBTR crew, because they do amazing work. But I don’t think Topper would use any reliever as a full time closer. He loves match-ups,
Carlos Estevez was also Topper Harley, correct.
I wondering when Jed Hoyer will start trading all of number of players on his major league roster that other teams need.
Winning!
darn was hoping the yanks would get him
dombrowski really knows how to put the pedal to the metal
Tigers have not recovered a decade later. Red Sox have been sidelined for what like six years?
What Phillies fans have to look forward to.
Correlation/Causation?
He takes Dominguez’s spot in the bullpen nice upgrade
Nonsensical.
Excellent return for Estevez. Let’s see what happens in a few years.
Not excellent. One’s good, the other not good
Absolute robbery. Maybe the best deal by an Angels GM ever.
The constant strong bullpen is why the Phils make the postseason.
Well, the excellent staff and stacked lineup sure help, too!
This could be one of those rare ” win/win” trades for both teams. Much needed arms going to Anaheim and a solid closer headed to Philly
The Marsh/O’Hoppe trade was win/win too. I like the Phils as trade partners.
Not a fan klassen looked outstanding this season Estevez is a fringe closer if you ask me Phils give up there top 2 up and coming pitching prospects for a fringe closer
Like Iglesias in ATL, the K rates for Estevez aren’t outstanding for a closer but he has a REALLY low whip. Closers are usually overrated. But I like him. It can be tough for a reliever getting traded to Philly tho. They are quick to boo.lol
YES. You nailed it. Classic nuke the farm Dumbroski.
Watching the Phil’s flame out in the first round is going to be priceless
Currently, they’d have a bye and skip the 1st round.
Still the first round for them.
Phil’s is a deli in northeast Philly. Doing well.
Y los piratas cuando
Charlie Sheen to the Phils. Wild Thing!
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Thank you for that
Sad to see the Italian kid go (because how often does your international scouting hit on a kid in Europe?) but seems to be capitalizing on two prospects who really helped their stock this year. No idea what they’ll be in the future, but wish them both the best of luck (unless they’re playing the Phillies, then boo!)
I’ll take this. It definitely makes the boys better.
These evaluations should also look at who now will take the ball in the 9th for L.A… Moore, García, Gentle Ben?
How many of those guys will also be gone in the coming days?
Ben Joyce, Moore and Garcia will both be gone by Tuesday
Joyce is probably the closer of the future.. That new pitch he added helps him tremendously. Both Moore and Garcia are gone.. Either by the trade deadline or end of the season.
I wouldn’t be surprised with Moore, or Garcia, but Ben Joyce, Really?
Joyce isn’t going anywhere. Garcia, Moore and Strickland, YES. Anderson and Pillar are a definite yes. Detmers and Canning are maybes. Ward is a probable. Regnifo is more than likely– if they get the right price, if not they’ll wait till the off season. Drury is a possibile.
How many Angel 9th innings are going to matter between now and October? What’s the O/U? 8?
The Angels are only 8 games out of a wildcard berth.
Gentle Ben
At this point losing more is better.
Good deal for both teams. Good luck Esty!
Return looks solid. Our high a team is dreadful and needs a talent infusion badly.
@halosheaven I was hoping they went offense since they went heavy on pitching again, and seems like the floor from the draft is relievers. Time will tell but even a starting prospect would’ve been nice. Estevez and and Anderson are the players you trade at the deadline because the price will go up.
A for Angels. A+ As good as it gets. 2 pitching prospects for a rental reliever? Both having fantastic years. 1 with great stuff. Other great mix.
D for Philly. I appreciate the winning move but wow did they pay the price. Uncle Charlie has been fantastic but projects to regress. Obviously still a great pen arm just not as great as he’s been. 1 arm doesn’t have impressive stuff. Both aren’t close to being mlb ready. But still 2 nice arms. World series is the goal. You do what you have to do. I think I would have looked in another direction. Puk? Yimi? Multiple years. Beatable trade packages. Lots of relievers out there.
Your grading is why your a dream Gm in your head. Laughing.
Everyone here knows who I am and they aren’t making fun of me like I see them do with you so it must not be that bad.
You are a joke.
Neither guy is a top six prospect on most lists for Phillies (BA being the exception). Tait being ranked lower than a guy projected to be a closer is a borderline joke. That being said it’s a fair return for a pending FA. The Italian Aldegheri projects as a number five type. Neither was considered close to a top 100 prospect so seems like fair value.
Klassen is definitely Top 100. The lists are old. This winter he’s on every Top 100 list.
What credible list has him at top 100? Griff McGarry was a hot prospect when they tried to make him a starter and now he’s back to pen and can’t get to majors either. Klassen has a great fastball but still most consider him a future reliever (probably a solid one no doubt) but that’s why this trade makes sense. I am also not taking the opinion of people on here over DD, a consensus top five gm in baseball with a crapload body of work.
The Phillies have been close the last few years. Maybe this is their year.
Just saying:
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/phillies-showing-intere…
Sometimes the stars align.
Yep you called it! Nice.
Turks..
You fail to mention you said straight up trade, The Angels got two! That isn’t a straight up trade.
Your stars are badly MISS aligned.
Turks,
BTW I am just poking fun at you.
I wouldn’t have got either of them.
That is two and half men in that deal for phillies
Good luck Estevez. I think he is a good guy who’s been on awful teams in two dreadful organizations. Now he’s got a shot at winning for a change.
The Angels arent a dreadful organization. They have had horrible injury luck and are stuck with Arte Moreno. And they are still only 8 games out of a playoff spot.
Terrible minor league coaching, nearly no scouting and development. How are they going to develop the pitching prospects whether they are good or not?
Bart – I think most of us agree the Angels is a dreadfully run organization with Moreno as the owner. Every team has injuries. The difference is they have depth to cover them. The Angels don’t have the depth. They have a mix of bloated veteran contracts and AAA caliber players, many of whom are doing well as they learn. On a well constructed team, however, these kids would be learning at AAA while the quality major league guys handle business.
Thank you Carlos. Best of luck to you in Philadelphia. At least you will make the playoffs
Finally!
Looking at the fangraphs write up of three months ago, the Angels got nothing for Estevez.
I’m not surprised. Too bad Perry didn’t have a GM like him he could have trade with.
Fangraphs has no way of knowing. Better read my grades if you want to know how they did.
The philles were a closer away from a ring. I watch every pitch of every inning of every philles game. I have since 1970. This team as constructed,pitching wise,hitting wise,defensively,managerial style of Thompson. Closer . Estevez fits the need if Thompson uses him correctly.So you are dismissed.
Not a single winning record last 10 or so years. What are you so happy about?
Halo11Fan is a perpetual whiner and hater. Perry isnt responsible for the Trout and Rendon injuries the last few seasons.
Not “raw” anymore. Klassen is Top 100 list now.
Foolish
Are the Angels bad. Is their farm system bad.
Being a realist doesn’t make me a whiner.
Today we have entered a reality of being honest makes someone a whiner. Good to know.
I feel the Angels got a better return then anyone expected.
Time will tell, like all “prospect” trades, but I al optimistic based on what I have read and heard.
If the Phillies get a ring then it will be worth it for them as well.
Why are you so negative? You looked up an article three months ago and that’s your information bible? Watch these kids pitch– they’re talented. They now land among the best prospects we have. It’s a two month rental for a reliever. They need to go get 20 more of these kids. They’re all hit and miss. Good return.
Oh Klassen is the Angels best prospect. No doubt about that.
I’m negative because he’s not very good in high A and the Angels have no record of developing these guys.
I’m negative because we are about to get swept by Oakland. Oh wait, Ward hit a grand slam. We’ll see what we get for him.
I’m negative because our farm system stinks.
I’m negative because we got fleeced at last years deadline.
I’m negative because neither our owner or GM has a clue.
I’ve very positive about my life. But the Angels suck.
Maybe I’m negative because I have to watch the Oakland feed and they are the worst announcers in baseball.
Halo
I understand that you are negative, and with reason
BUT………….
Why are you instantly “negative” with who they got back? I was a big haul for a 2 month rental
Double D is a fan’s dream
For those on the other end of his prospect dealing yes. Dumbroski nukes his farm system so everyone wants to trade with him.
He’s constructed World Series teams. Phillies are loaded and DD isn’t getting younger
I like this move for both sides.
Good trade for both teams.
Charlie Sheen to the Phillies! Wild Thing will be entertaining to watch!
Estevez will definitely lock up ninth inning saves for the Philadelphia Phillies
While the Guardians twiddle their thumbs.
Meh, I’m a bigger fan of Emilio.
Coach Bombay all day!
You like bad actors who had careers because of family nepotism? Cool.
Solid trade. Both sides get something they need, now Peary needs to flip Ward, Rengifo, Anderson and the rest of the expiring RPs…. The Angels could possibly enter next season without the worst Minor league system for the 1st time in years or decades!!! Let’s go Peary!!!!
they were #7 and #13 on this recent list from a guy who follows the Phils minor leagues closely.
philliesminorthoughts.com/phillies-2024-midseason-…
I think Winkelman’s rankings can get a little wonky, but that’s about where I’d have both, actually. 7 is dead on for Klassen I’d say.
Klassen was arguably the Phillies best prospect now. No one knows what painter is. Miller has not hit since arriving at Jersey Shore. Klassen has the fastball to be an elite closer for seven years.
Angels nothing but a bunch of Waldens.
Reunited with Hoffman. Two pitchers with good stuff who got better after leaving Colorado.
It blows my mind about deals like this. Still GMs do it. How many of these young players actually make it? Not many. Unless they are on the cusps of the their first call to the show. Both these kids. I’m sure they are good but how close are they? The angels need league ready prospects. Not kids that are two or three seasons away. Maybe. Perry is just stocking the shelf’s for whoever takes over and he goes down as one of the worst GM’s in Angels history. And that’s saying something
You’re overvaluing what you have to offer. He’s gonna throw what 20 innings for the Phillies and you want show ready prospects?
Klassen might be ready in six weeks, his fastball is that good. Definitely a possibility for opening day 2025.
What exactly are you using to rate PM when he’s the only GM since Bill Stoneman to actually pay attention to the farm system? Being a good GM isn’t about playing fantasy baseball with the open market. It’s also about building a foundation through youth. Bill Bavasi was a good GM for building the core that eventually won the World Series. His strengths were less on the open market. Bill Stoneman was a good GM who could do both, but also pulled the reigns on trading the farm, which is why their run extended through 2009, with some of their carryovers keeping the Angels in the race for a number of years after he left. In order for PM or any other GM to be successful, he needs to just keep doing what he’s doing: turning to youth and drafting better. When it’s time to supplement, then well if it’s time to let him go and bring in someone who can make those deals.
I think the Phils are done unless something falls into their lap. An outfielder and a bullpen arm is about what we expected. No sense in leaving the farm in shambles for a guy like Robert or Arozarena. I’m anxious to see what some team has to give up for Robert (or Crochet, who’s Dodger bait).
Klassen is good enough to get Crochet. Dumbroski got this trash from the angels dumpster. Two months of it.
Let me put this succinctly. Flags fly forever and these two will be quickly forgotten. Good luck Phillies.
Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Shields.
Flags?
Halo, you’ve always hated on Esteves, and said he shouldn’t be closing on any team with playoff aspirations. Which was wrong, he’s
now going to do so. So you should be happy with any return they got.
Tanner Scott is next and a bat. Maybe a starting rotation piece. Hope Walker stays on the injured list and Turnbull can return but if not they need Suarez healthy and another starting arm to get them into October and keep the other starters fresh. But who?
I’d see what the cubs would want for Ian Happ. Tough player that could fit in the lineup and clubhouse and is an upgrade over Rojas at the plate. I know the Rojas defensive defenders will disagree but, Rojas can play defense in the 8th and 9th and his fans can tune in. I’d put Happ in left and platoon Hays and Marsh in center.
Drew Smyly and Happ. Get a starter with a good era and can eat innings in August and September and a switch hitting full time starting caliber outfielder in left. He’s owed probably $40 mil the next 2 yrs so some creative math would be needed.
Good get for Phils, they are WS capable.
Angels struck oil. Phillies acquired a dumpster fire in exchange.
The Angels are to the Phillies what the Kansas City A’s were to the Yankees.
That is good baseball history.
Wasn’t it the other way around? A’s trading their best young players to the Yankees?
HOTF is eithier related to Klassen or just really STUPID
What the hell was that pop up ad I just had to watch?
Selling ad space is totally understandable… forcing pop ups with predatory fremium apps is not cool.
Dombro has a history of trading away the farm in an effort to win it all. This trade with the Angels is yet another example of that. Estevas has done well this year in a small sample of 34 IP. However, his history isn’t anything to get excited about. Of course, he’s never been with a winner, so maybe the move to Philly where that isn’t the case, may inspire him not to implode. Frankly, I was fine with Hoffman and Strahm as our RH/LH duo for the 8th and 9th innings. Don’t see any reason to knock each of them down a peg.
I didn’t know much about Estevez but I’m more concerned about the outfield situation. I don’t believe Austin Hays will be much if any help and now reports say the Phillies are interested in Tommy Pham.
Pham is a 36 year old outfielder with a 260s average, little power and a terrible attitude. I have no idea why anyone would be interested in him and….I thought we would chase more power. Come on Dombrowski, MORE HOME RUNS!
@medicineman maybe they go after pillar. Shouldn’t cost much and he hasn’t been bad this year.
And the Angels fleece the Phillies again. Getting 2 very good young pitching prospects for a rental with a 4.29 career ERA who guarantees absolutely nothing as far as even reaching the World Series, let alone winning it.
How did trading Moniak for a rental Synersgaard work out? No World Series win there. Sure, Moniak isn’t a star, but what do the Phillies have to show for that trade?
The Angels obviously knew Marsh can’t hit left handed pitching, so they had no problem saying goodbye to him. They got a solid starting catcher for the next 10 years for a part time outfielder. Yes, O’Hoppe was blocked by Realmuto but the Phillies could have and should have gotten a better return for him trading him to another team.
Another big win for the Angels