3:37pm: The Padres are sending left-hander Robby Snelling and right-hander Adam Mazur to Miami, reports ESPN’s Alden Gonzalez. Mish adds that infielder/outfielder Graham Pauley is also part of the return, and Daniel Alvarez Montes of El Extra Base reports that infielder Jay Beshears is the fourth and final player in the return. It’s a major haul that’ll send three of the Padres’ top remaining prospects (Snelling, Mazur, Pauley) to Miami in exchange for the pair of relievers.
3:32pm: The Padres are finalizing a deal to acquire closer Tanner Scott from the Marlins, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. Craig Mish of SportsGrid and the Miami Herald adds that righty Bryan Hoeing is also going to San Diego in the deal.
It’s the latest trade market strike for a Padres club that has already added righty Jason Adam in a deal with the Rays and that picked up Luis Arraez in another early-season blockbuster with Miami. The Scott trade is still pending the medical review of the players involved.
Scott, 30, has one of the lowest ERAs in the majors this season, with a pristine 1.18 mark in 45 2/3 innings of work. He’s averaged 97.1 mph on his heater, fanned 29.1% of his opponents and induced grounders at a hearty 49% clip. The flamethrowing lefty has picked up 18 saves for Miami on the season and tacked on another 12 saves in 2023, when he tossed 78 innings of 2.31 ERA ball.
Impressive as Scott’s earned run average has been, he’s seen a resurgence of the command troubles that plagued him for his entire career prior to the 2023 campaign, when he went from a lifetime 14.2% walk rate to a tidy 7.8% mark. Scott has issued a free pass to a glaring 14.8% of his opponents this season, although a good portion of his command troubles came in the season’s first few weeks. He’s posted a 0.49 ERA, 32.6% strikeout rate and more manageable (but still too high) 10.9% walk rate dating back to April 20. At this point, last year’s strong walk rate looks like an aberration.
Scott is playing the season on a one-year, $5.7MM contract. He’s a pure rental for the Friars, barring an extension, and won’t net them any draft compensation, as his midseason trade renders him ineligible for a qualifying offer. The Padres are ponying up on a big offer in hopes of building a dominant bullpen that can help them navigate short postseason series with off-days baked in throughout the schedule. Scott and Hoeing join the aforementioned Adam, Robert Suarez (1.51 ERA in 41 2/3 innings), Jeremiah Estrada (2.92 ERA in 39 2/3 frames), Adrian Morejon (2.74 ERA in 42 2/3 innings) and Yuki Matsui (3.45 ERA in 47 2/3 frames) to round out a formidable relief corps.
Also joining the revamped bullpen is the 27-year-old Hoeing. He’s not nearly as established as Scott and the majority of his new bullpen-mates but is nevertheless enjoying a strong 2024 campaign. In 30 frames, he’s logged a 2.70 ERA with a below-average but respectable 20.2% strikeout rate against a 7.3% walk rate. Hoeing has kept the ball on the ground at a 48.9% clip in part because of a sinker that averages a solid 93.7 mph. He throws that pitch just over half the time and pairs it with a slider-splitter combo — and a rarely-used four-seamer — that helps keep both lefties and, to a lesser extent, righties off balance.
Although Hoeing will turn 28 in October, he’ll finish the season with just two years of MLB service time. That’ll make him controllable for the Padres not only for the stretch run in ’24 but for four additional seasons thereafter. He won’t be arbitration-eligible until the 2025-26 offseason at the earliest, and he still has a pair of minor league option years remaining. That gives them a potential long-term piece in the ’pen, which the Friars surely coveted in exchange for giving up what looks like an impressive collection of young talent that’ll continue to beef up a rapidly improving Marlins system.
Among the names going to the Marlins in the deal, the 23-year-old Mazur and 23-year-old Pauley have both made their big league debuts. Mazur is the more highly regarded of the two, having been a second-round pick back in 2022. He’s struggled to a 7.49 ERA through his first five big league appearances but has posted a 4.39 ERA with a 24.7% strikeout rate and outstanding 5% walk rate in 55 1/3 innings between Double-A and Triple-A this season.
Both Baseball America and MLB.com ranked Mazur as the Padres’ No. 4 prospect, calling him a potential mid-rotation starter on the back of 60- or 70-grade command. FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen offered a more measured approach recently, noting that Mazur’s command struggles in the majors and some lost life on his heater have him looking more like a potential reliever. There’s some variance in potential outcomes, as is to be expected with a 23-year-old starter who’s rapidly climbed the minor league ranks, but Mazur has the potential to be a rotation piece for several years in Miami.
Pauley went 4-for-32 in a tiny cup of coffee with the Padres earlier this season and has struggled through a down year in Triple-A, hitting just .228/.342/.390. Even as he’s stumbled there, however, he’s drawn walks at a 13.9% clip and played all over the diamond, logging innings at first base, second base, third base and in both outfield corners.
Again, both BA and MLB.com are more bullish on Pauley, ranking him inside the Padres’ top-six prospects, while FanGraphs pegged him at 13th earlier this month. He raked at a .308/.393/.593 clip across three minor league levels in 2023, and his versatility adds value to his profile.
Pauley was primarily a third baseman early on but began moving around the field as the Padres looked to make him more versatile (understandable with Manny Machado entrenched at the hot corner in San Diego). He won’t face that type of permanent roadblock in Miami — Jake Burger could move across the diamond following the trade of Josh Bell — giving Pauley a potential audition as an everyday third baseman or at least a bat-first utilityman.
While Mazur and Pauley have both reached the majors, it’s arguably Snelling who’s the headliner of the deal. The 20-year-old has struggled in the minors this year, but that’s in large part due to an aggressive assignment to Double-A, where he’s one of the league’s youngest players.
The No. 39 overall pick in 2022, Snelling breezed from Low-A to Double-A last season, posting 103 2/3 innings of 1.86 ERA ball with a combined 28.4% strikeout rate and 8.2% walk rate as a 19-year-old. He’s been roughed up for a 6.01 ERA in his second shot at Double-A — he only pitched 17 innings there last year — with strikeout and walk rates that have trended in the wrong direction (20.2% and 10%, respectively). Still, Snelling ranks as the game’s No. 44 prospect at MLB.com (though he’s fallen off top-100 lists at FanGraphs and BA).
Rounding out the Marlins’ return is Beshears, a 22-year-old Duke product whom the Padres selected in the sixth round of last year’s draft. He’s hitting .261/.373/.377 between Low-A and High-A this season, with a gaudy 13.6% walk rate against just an 18.7% strikeout rate. He’s a power-over-hit infielder who ranked near the back of the Padres’ top 30 on most publications, in part due to questionable arm strength that makes him a tough fit for the left side of the infield.
The Padres have held firm on their reluctance to trade top-ranked prospects like catcher Ethan Salas and shortstop Leodalis De Vries, but the remainder of their system has been picked over in the past four months thanks to acquisitions of Scott, Hoenig, Adam, Arraez and (in spring training) Dylan Cease. They’re a Wild Card team at best in all likelihood, but president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has never encountered a star player he didn’t love on the trade market and isn’t deviating from old habits in 2024. With Salas and De Vries still in tow, the Padres have the firepower to make another blockbuster add if they soften their stance on that pair, and the timing of this trade gives Preller a bit more than an hour to survey the remainder of the trade market.
max l
I wonder who AJ Preller still has left to trade??
Rbase
Maybe some people from the crowd? I bet the Marlins would give up something for 2000 people in the seats for a week
lesterdnightfly
I wonder who the Marlins have left to fill the lineup tonight.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Marlins Guy
The left and right field ball boy.
The bat boy
YourDreamGM
He can’t stop. Won’t stop. He is a alien cyborg from a galaxy far away programmed to do only 1 thing. Trade.
hiflew
The bat boy just got swapped for a fetus to be named later. Gotta keep looking to the future.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
His real name is Johnny 5
Pads Fans
Why would he need to make any more trades?
luckyh
Bottomless wealth of prospects, for them, and the Dodgers it always seems as well.
damascusj
Preller has been pretty good about drafting and developing, even after trading everyone, they never stay at the bottom of the prospect ranking for long
winniejones31
And I love that
Pads Fans
The Padres stayed $5 million under the CBT threshold after all the deadline moves.
Padres rotation is set next season.
Cease, King, Waldron, Musgrove, Darvish, Vasquez
6 guys for 5 spots. Only Perez is a FA.
Padres pen is the best in MLB now and is set next season.
Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon, Matsui, Hoeing, Kolek/Peralta
They will have only 1 FA in that pen this offseason, Scott.
Padres are set at all positions other than RF right now and have Tatis returning in the next couple of weeks. They are strong up and down that lineup. They will have 10 of 14 position players returning next season. The FA this offseason are Profar, Kim, Solano, and Peralta,
After increases for arbitration and existing contracts, the Padres will have about $40 million to spend this coming offseason while staying under the CBT threshold for 2025.
Padres are in a really good spot for 2024 and 2025. Preller Still has Salas and Devries at the top of his prospect list and has 2 seasons to rebuild his farm system before he starts to see major players hit the FA market. building a farm system is something he excels at.
As a Padres Fan, you have to be excited about what Preller has built.
winniejones31
I’ve been super impressed with Preller this year. And I can’t wait to see the next wave of talented prospects in our system in the next couple years.
mlb fan
“Who AJ Preller still has left to trade”…In a related development, A.J Prellar’s mom, sister and youngest son have suddenly relocated to Zanzibar.
OldSaltUSN
You forgot Preller’s dog. I hear he’s now a mascot on one of the AL teams. No one is safe in the Preller orbit.
Pads Fans
Was traded for Martin Perez.
Prsabroso
Where is the laugh emoji! That is a lot!
Simm
Let’s goooo.
Padres needed this dude. Now find a starter.
Pads Fans
Looks like Preller is done. He added 3 good relievers including two with closing experience. Tanner Scott is Mr Heart Attack because of all the walks, but he is still a closer.
They said two key things on MLB Network just now.
#1, in the playoffs starting pitchers go 5 innings or less 55% of the games.
#2, just 3.6% of prospects traded become impact players in the majors.
Simm
Yeah preller just uses them to get major leaguers. He only keeps the ones he thinks will be stars with the best exception of trading for a star in Soto. It’s his mo.
damascusj
He’s not done, just traded his #5 starter
winniejones31
I’m hoping Darvish or Musgrove is ready to pitch soon. But I’m not counting on them considering the nature of their injuries. It would be great if the Padres could acquire a decent starting pitcher but I don’t know what they have to trade without Salas or DeVries being on the table. Do they have anything left in the system?
Pads Fans
Darvish is not injured. He is on restricted list for personal reasons. Musgrove is expected to be back by the end of this home stand.
winniejones31
Darvish has right elbow inflammation and a strained groin according to Padres beat writer AJ Cassavell (mlb.com) in a July 6 message.
Pads Fans
Yu had already started his rehab assignment when he was placed on the restricted list for personal reasons. I believe his brother is terminally ill, but they have not really said much about why.
Brew’88
Padres need to be careful with Musgrove. Heard a few interviews from this week and dude is chomping to get back out there NOW. But if we’ve learned anything about him, he needs to take the time to fully ramp up before going full speed again. Don’t want to jeopardize 2025.
websoulsurfer
Musgrove said that if his sessions in Peoria go well, he would like to come back Sunday and pitch 3 innings for the Padres and not do a rehab assignment,
I don’t care if all he pitches is opener for bullpen games until the postseason to build up, I want him back asap. Win now, worry about next season after this one is over.
westex87
He doesn’t have to be the closer because Suarez is
Pads Fans
I was wrong. He just picked up Martin Perez.
920falcon
Preller is never done.
OldSaltUSN
Maybe he will, but I read that Bryan Hoeing profiles as a young reliever with starter potential. The Pads may extend him and run him out as a starter, which they’ve done a lot of (successfully, too), in the last couple of years.
However, with a very strong bullpen, and some guys pushed down to AAA by the trades, they can lean on the bullpen harder without as much risk of compromising it.
Still, another starter seems nearly a requirement, since Mazur left as part of the trade.
Pads Fans
Hoeing is under team control for 2025-2028 before he is a FA.
case
As far as I can tell that has been the only impact trade with players that are likely to have a significant influence in the post season. The rest have all been a weird amount excitement for pitchers with high eras and average to below average hitters.
jt3z
All this for second lol
Gmen777
I mean does it really matter? Padres made it farther than the Dodgers in 2022 and the Dbacks did the same last year
zack novotny
As a huge Dbacks fan I completely agree. I could care less if they win the division or not. Once you’re in the post season the regular season doesn’t matter anymore.
Samuel
I’ve watched the Dodgers and Padres play a bit the past 6 weeks or so…..
The Padres are a much better team.
To start the Padres finally hired a good manager. The Dodgers still don’t have one. The Padres know how to
play baseball……
max l
LMFAO. They finished second in 2022, but meanwhile the Dodgers watched the Padres play in the NLCS from their couches & the golf course!
ATinz
And lost…..
Gmen777
28 teams did worse than the Dbacks last year and 26 did worse than the Padres in ‘22
Ryan W
Please keep thinking regular season is what matters
Brew’88
Regular season matters to teams that are fighting for the last WC spot with 5 other teams.
Zombie Bukowski
Good one!
/s
920falcon
Preller is great at deadline time. Always doing something.
Murray Rothbard
Preller is best at the draft. His office should hide his phone on trade deadline day though.
OldSaltUSN
Preller actually has at least two phones, and he probably a dozen “burner” phones as backup. He’s a very thorough guy.
Samuel
As usual, Preller gets all the comments.
Peter Bendix and his staff are the winning FO of this trading deadline. Added to their in-season moves, what the Marlins
people have done in less than a year is phenomenal.
CravenMoorehead
My boy Gwynning right now probably is like:
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Gwynning
=) 🙂
dasit
never a dull moment with preller
Some_guy
Stop Hoeing around, Padres!
Acoss1331
Yankees fans really wanted Tanner Scott. Looks like Preller beat Cashman to the finish line on this if Cashman was playing at all.
mlb fan
“Prellar beat Cashman”..As a noted Prellar critic, I now knight him as “the King of trades” and “the man who never sleeps”.
nando390
All this to still get no world series chip.
dasit
at least he’s trying
Lonniemac
Exactly. Shouldn’t fans like it when teams try to compete and get better?
dasit
not sure how or why but it seems like fans are slowly being trained to care more about prospect rankings and luxury taxes than championships
Reynaldo's
It’s just a kid complaining on the Internet. Pay no mind and don’t give them attention.
JoeBrady
Shouldn’t fans like it when teams try to compete and get better?
===========================
One might suggest that fans should like it when their team DOES get better. There is no ‘try’.
winniejones31
I sure do. If my Padres can get in the World Series AND keep both Salas and DeVries while staying under the luxury tax salary mark I’m very happy.
Zombie Bukowski
Someone is big mad!
This one belongs to the Reds
Beef up the bullpen.
formerlyz
For these 2, especially Hoeing, this better be a legit return for us for once
Mjm117
per Mish 4 prospects coming to Miami.
YourDreamGM
AJ never lets teams down
Chemo850
wtf are you talking about? Have you not witness all the unreal talent in position players the Marlins have added in the last week?
dasit
marlins have had a fantastic deadline. future teams in sell mode should take note
YourDreamGM
Their fellow Florida team bested them easily until Uncle AJ rang. Florida is cleaning up.
Chemo850
Agreed. I still don’t think they are in rebuild mode ironically. Top of the rotation arms are still in place and they now have legit position prospects to throw out there for their auditions rest of the year. Also should have some money to spend on some mid tier guys with Bell and Garcia coming off the books this year and next. Feels like this may very well be a quick turnaround
case
They’re more in permanent laughing stock mode. They got worried with that good season but getting rid of their GM got them back on track.
winniejones31
I really like Homer Bush. Great speed and defense. I was hoping he’d be ready to play in San Diego next year some time. He will be fun to watch.
Pads Fans
Bush will make a great 4th OF somewhere.
Brew’88
chrystalballilsh
holecamels35
This team loves relievers so much
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
As a Pads fan who watches every game, they’d have 8-10 more wins this year if their relievers weren’t blowing every lead given in May/June..love this for the Pads!
JoeBrady
hey’d have 8-10 more wins
=====================
The BP is 22-12. If they added 10 more wins, they’d be 32-2.
padrepapi
Padres pen has a 4.17 era, 19th in MLB.
They did good addressing it as they had too many so-so arms pitching in close games.
websoulsurfer
I can think of 4 or 5 games that the bullpen was responsible for the loss by giving up leads and more than just a run or two. The one by Cosgrove against the dodgers stands out to me. There are 4-5 others that were low scoring, 1 run games that I don’t think you can point definitively at the bullpen. Out of 16 leads blown by the Padres pitchers, 10 were the bullpen that gave it up.
Bullpens will blow some games, even on the best teams, but if even half of those games were won, that would put the Padres at 60 or 61 wins and within a game of the Dodgers for 1st place.
Gwynning
Shortening the Postseason games is a clutch and valid strategy. KC did it well a few years ago. I like the current build! Go Pads
Brew’88
horse before the cart though, just a bit. Need to get to the postseason. 3.5 SPs plus Joe might not be enough. But he’s a pinball wizard there has to be a twist, the pinball wizard must have heard from Darvish.
winniejones31
Will Darvish be able to pitch when his personal stuff is cleared up? Didn’t he have two injuries at the time he had to leave the team? If he could come back to form it would be BIG.
Brew’88
@winnie, we don’t know anything about his status. But he was set to return in July and didn’t report a physical set-back. It’s a family issue. He should be physically ready to ramp up if he does choose to return. I brought up Darvish in search for an explanation for how the team might survive the next two months without adding a SP or two.
differentbears
Probably about as much as they love infielders.
Yankee Clipper
Man, Jeff Passan broke like four trades in a row. Dude is hooked IN.
rct
He’s like one of those pre-cogs in Minority Report.
Yankee Clipper
Haha! Who’s the other two in the pool? Kenny Rosenthal and……
Mildred
THAT’S WHAT’S IIIINNNNNN!!!
DTrainSTA
Sounds like Padres #2 prospect Snelling is part of at least a four player package.
Clofreesz
Hader’s replacement.
Pads Fans
Padres already have Bullet Bob as closer. He has been substantially better than Hader and a total team player.
Clofreesz
Suarez is a righty. Scott is a lefty and can close some games.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
My bet is that it’s gonna be mix and match between the two, with Suarez getting the bulk of opportunities early, and Scott’s coming based on performance.
Pads Fans
Suarez is better against LHB than RHB. They are hitting .153/.218/.292/.510 off him.
Scott is even better than that which is insane.
James Midway
Suarez has been a great closer. They needed more bullpen depth. The bullpen has cost them a number of games this year.
YankeesBleacherCreature
AJ being AJ. Congrats Padres fans! Your move Dipoto.
Mjm117
Robby Snelling, Pauley, & Mazur
Rexhudler86
And mazur
mlb fan
“Padres have now traded 9 of their last 10 1st round picks” – MLB Network, 5 minutes ago at 1:37 p.m PST.
mlbnyyfan
I’m glad Boston didn’t get him. Solid pick up
Simm
Only one they kept was Merrill
Pads Fans
You missed the key points made in that segment.
“3.6% of prospects traded have become impact players in the majors.” 1 in 26.
“11.7% have become contributors” That means they at least were replacement level players in majors. Just 1 in 9.
Padres do an exceptional job of finding and signing guys that other teams see as valuable and the Padres use those guys to build the MLB team with proven performers.
Simm
Peter Seidler before he died said there are two types of capital to get players…money and prospects.
Prospects aren’t players on the padres.
Brew’88
Scott will only be on the Padres for two months though, right?
Pads Fans
Unless the Padres extend him, yes. I don’t think that is probable.
Hoeing is under Padres control through 2028.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Nothing wrong with that. The goal is to win big league ballgames..
desertdawg
I said before that don’t count out Preller making a deal no matter where it lands, he has always said that is why you have prospects, to use to get players you need, they now have a darn good bullpen.
max l
Mazur to the Marlins in the deal?? Go get Flaherty now AJ!
winniejones31
Dodgers got Flaherty.
DodgerDan
MARLINS WIN THAT!! HUGE OVERPAY.
619-858
Not sure how you can say that. Mazur has been just BAD, Pauley couldn’t get any AB’s on the big league club and got sent down. Padres got 2 major leaguers for 0 major leaguers. Only time will tell, but no one knows right now, not even a Dodgers fan.
Simm
To me fair the marlins got some potential but all the guys the padres traded this deadline and today have been struggling badly this year.
They all have talent and upside but they will need to make some adjustments
Zombie Bukowski
Says DodgerDoushe lol
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
That’s a nice pen….
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Dang. I was hoping to see Snelling pitch for the Pads at some point.
Ah well. At least Merrill made it to The Show.
Simm
His stuff fell off hard this year.
Pads Fans
Snelling has not pitched well this season, but I agree with you. He looked so good last season in his 1st pro season.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
He’s been awful this year. Looking like the scouts may have been right on him when they said his ceiling is a mid to late rotation guy.
Brew’88
nothing wrong with a mid-rotation guy in MLB.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
I agree..but that’s IF he gets it together, and we don’t know if he will based on his regression this year.
Pads Fans
Preller has now traded 24 prospects in the last 3 years.
MLB Network said today that 3.6% of prospects traded at the deadline become impact players. That is 1 in 26.
The definition of impact players that MLB Network used is 2 seasons of 2.0 WAR for position players or starting pitchers or 60 IP for relievers.
So which one of the players he has traded will be the one?
If Preller is twice as good as other GMs at scouting and drafting, which is the other prospect he traded that becomes an “impact player”.
Brew’88
Sure, few prospects become impact players, but how is that an argument in support of this particular trade? Sure, maybe Snelling, Mazur and Pauley all flop. It could happen. But they traded them for 2 months of Scott, and a very iffy Hoeing. Maybe Scott is lights out for 15 games, then he’s gone. Maybe he helps them if they get into the playoffs. It’s a gamble, and we’ll see how it plays out.
Pads Fans
just answer the question. Of the 24 prospects that the Padres have traded the last 3 years, which one of the players he has traded will be the one that becomes/became an impact player?
If Preller is twice as good as other GMs at scouting and drafting, which is the other prospect he has traded that becomes an “impact player”.
Brew88
Hey magical crystal balls don’t exist
websoulsurfer
Don’t need a crystal ball. Abrams has already done it. Of the rest of those prospects, do you really think anyone has shown that they have what it takes to play at that level. The FV for most of them seems to say no. Their play for most of the rest seems to say no.
I think that the scouting organization that Preller has put together IS twice as good as most GMs so there will probably be one or two more. Even if there is, do you think that one of Snelling, Pauley, or Mazur will be that guy? After watching all three this season I don’t but would be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you think they might.
The reason Preller traded for them is that Scott and Hoeing have shown they are already that guy in the majors.
Simm
I think woods will. He is likely the best player preller has traded in recent years.
Brew’88
Sure you need a crystal ball, most of those guys are still developing or are in the minors. Wood, Thorpe, Iriarte, etc… Nonsensical question, or hypothetical at best. But several of the guys Preller has traded in the past 3 years have a chance to become good MLers..
DodgerDan
Trading Pauley also is CRAZY!
Reynaldo's
He’s having a terrible 2024 season in the PCL.
Pads Fans
Pauley’s OPS is 60 points below PCL average. An 83 wRC+.
websoulsurfer
Not sure what happened to Pauley. Great guy. I really thought he would stick once he was brought up, but for whatever reason he has not been able to adjust to kind of heat they throw in the upper levels. Hopefully he can make the adjustment.
Brew’88
It’s only crazy if you value patience with young players.
ATinz
lol!
King Floch
Marlins out here STACKING prospects.
Good for them.
HalosHeavenJJ
Nice addition.
FanDan
No starter? Will have a good pen, but a lot to give up for a rental closer and middle relief. Will need a great pen if he doesn’t get at least one starter.
Simm
Musgrove maybe back as soon as Sunday
FanDan
They are dusting off Rich Hill’s jersey.
BillTheThrill10
There must be another starter coming because why else would you trade Mazur and Snelling, right?
619-858
That’s going to be the plan for Hoeing in the future.
Gwynning
Why u hate the 760? Lol
websoulsurfer
San Marcos smells? LOL.
Simm
Musgrove maybe back as soon as this Sunday.
Brew’88
If they’re depending on Joe as #4, with King and Waldron pitching well beyond their single season innings totals, it suggests a lot of confidence in Joe, and Vasquez for that matter. Or, maybe there news about Darvish coming back soon. Or, we’ll hear of another trade (Quantrill?) in the next 30 minutes. OR, we have a lot of bullpen games moving forward. O R, they test Brito, Lizarrago or Wolf or ask Cronenworth to toe the rubber.
websoulsurfer
Musgrove had a really nice outing against the Mariners complex league players today and he told a reporter that if his bullpen is good on Friday that he would like to take the ball on Sunday against the Rockies. It is yet to be seen if the Padres will allow him to do that or if they are going to want him to make at least one rehab start against a higher level of competition.
Brew’88
The true test will come after several starts in late August. The injury is still there, it’s just being treated with anti-inflammatories to reduce discomfort. A lot of uncertainty between now and playoffs.
TDR
Why are the padres making this trade? It makes no sense to send Snelling and Mazur for another couple of relievers, we already have 4 legit bullpen pieces. There’s legit no starters in the pipeline come 2026 when Cease and King are FA and Darvish is 40. .
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
AJ will have made 25 trades before Spring Training 2026. He will find some starting pitching.
Simm
Brick- that’s the truest thing anyone has ever said.
TDR
Yeah, except all of these moves are predicated on being the best at drafting prospects. That’s a big ask to continue every year.
ACK
AJ will just trade more prospects to fill those holes in SP rotation then. All these Ivy League, prospect hugging GM’s can talk all they want until they make the playoffs.
lesterdnightfly
Except there arent’ any prospects left that he can jettison.
ACK
AJ will draft more prospects in the 2025 draft.
TDR
Fun fact, every player in the big leagues was once a prospect.
Pads Fans
More fun fact, 3.6% of prospects traded at the deadline have become impact players in MLB. Just 1 in 26.
YourDreamGM
AJ
619-858
Hoeing is projected to be a starter and under team control until 2028.
Pads Fans
Hoeing has a 1.50 ERA as a reliever this season, but he does have 2 spot starts. He made 7 spot starts last season.
Reliever this season. Stretch him out in the offseason.
Since he added that splitter he has been really good. An ERA under 3.00 since then.
websoulsurfer
i doubt the Padres try to stretch out Hoeing. He is really good at what he does. that 1-3 innings of middle relief.
The Padres already have 6 starters they can slot into the rotation next season and Brito was sent down with the intention of stretching him out too. I think they will stick with that unless they are enamored with someone this offseason that is a true upgrade. Either a trade for a guy with several years of control or a free agent. They will have the room under the CBT even after extending Kim or Profar for a top starter.
TDR
That’s interesting, if he can become a legit starter, that makes this trade much more logical
Pads Fans
If he cannot make even spot starts until Darvish and Musgrove come back the trade still makes perfect sense.
Padres picked up Martin Perez to replace Mazur and his 7.74 ERA at the back of the rotation.
Brew’88
I appreciate the bobbing for apples, but Hoenig has a career ERA of 5.48.and a WHIP of 1.4. Just being real with it here. We can hope is that he’s a late bloomer like Nick Martinez, but only 3.6% of MLBers who suck at age 27 go on to become impact players later in career.
Pads Fans
Hoeing added a splitter last season and dumped the changeup and since then has an ERA under 3.00.
Hoeing doesn’t suck at 27. In fact, he has been really good at 27. At 26, before he started throwing the splitter, he sucked.
Since the average age of reaching the majors is 24.8 and most players suck as rookies, most players start to be good in their 2nd or 3rd year in the majors, age 26-27. Not 3.6%, but thanks for trying to make up “stats”
Brew88
Obviously I was mocking you with the 3.6%, only to provide context of irrelevance like the stat you’ve cut and pasted it 29 times, but are you saying the career ERA of 5.48 and WHIP of 1.4 is made up? O K AYeeeee
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Win now, worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
For better or worse, that’s what this is.
chicken strip
What pipeline?
Brew’88
@TDR. Good question
Pads Fans
In the playoffs the starter goes 5 or less innings in 55% of games.
In the regular season the starter goes 5 or less innings in 45% of the games.
Padres now have one of the best bullpens in MLB. Their WORST pitcher in the pen will be Wandy Peralta after he returns next week and he had a 2.96 ERA the last 3 seasons.
Brew’88
They do have a strong bullpen, maybe the best BP. And it will help them if they make it to the playoffs. If they get into a 7 game series, they’ll need a SP for game 4 and better hope it’s Musgrove or Darvish, and not Vasquez.
Pads Fans
Why not a bullpen game? Both the Rangers and DBacks used a BP game in both the LCS and WS. So did the Phillies in the NLCS.
Brew88
I will say this, they are presently better rostered to win a playoff game than they are set to win enough games to make the playoffs.
websoulsurfer
Pads, I heard them talking about that on MLB Network today. I knew that starters went fewer innings in the playoffs but was surprised that it was that much less.
Brew’88
Though the playoff dominance of Strasburg and Madbum are not that far in the past. There are many ways to win in the playoffs.
websoulsurfer
In the playoffs, where starting pitchers don’t go deep in games, the deeper your pen, the further your team goes in the playoffs.
All you really need are 3 good starters, but you need a pen that is 5 or 6 deep with relievers that can pitch in high leverage spots. The Padres have that now by adding Scott and Adam to Suarez, Estrada, and Morejon.
gr81t2
Can’t believe the orioles didn’t Scott as part of the rogers deal. Padres gave up crap for him
ryrockak
They most certainly did not give up crap lol
Pads Fans
The Orioles is where I thought Scott would end up. The Orioles had the greater need and more prospects on the farm.
Moneyballer
Decent return for out of nowhere relief pitchers. Miami is cleaning up this deadline.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Chris Getz needs to learn from Peter Bendix.
lesterdnightfly
Chris Getz needs to learn from a lot of people, including from Garrett Crochet.
websoulsurfer
If he had, the White Sox rebuild would have gone much faster. I don’t think he will be the GM when they are a contending team again. I am not sure that Reinsdorf will be alive when they make it to the playoffs the next time. He is getting a bit long in the tooth.
YourDreamGM
Forget your wife kids grandma. Best phone call you can ever receive is from AJ Preller.
Ryan W
Definitely an overpay, but that’s the seller’s market for ya
YourDreamGM
Depends on gm. Some gms got back end relievers for a song and a dance.
holecamels35
Do the Padres really have prospects or do they just rush everyone out the draft and through their system so quick they get experience just to be dealt? Seems like they just draft guys and use them as currency. They’re hardly developed.
Simm
They have traded away 9 of there last 10 1st round picks. Jackson Merrill is the only exception.
So yeah they draft and trade.
thefaithfulfriar
Is there a problem officer?
Gwynning
Yes. 😉
Pads Fans
Per MLB Network, 3.6% of prospects traded become impact players in the majors. 1 in 26.
Susannah
Did they define what “impact players” mean? Also, what time frame are they talking about. Just go back to 2022 and see how many of those players traded became MLB players contributing. I do not know the answer. Is that too soon? How about 2021?
Simm
From 2013-2023
ACK
AJ must have gotten word that Musgrove & Darvish will be back for the playoffs. So he added bullpen arms. The rock star GM strikes again : )
408inthe619
That’s my biggest concern. Especially Darvish, no news at all about his return. I thought for sure AJ would get a starter of some kind, but there’s no capital left
Brew’88
@BayFanInSD. I think ACK is suggesting that if AJP doesn’t trade for a SP today, then it might signify that AJ knows something about Darvish (that he’s returning) that isn’t yet public. I hope that’s the case.
Pads Fans
Hoeing can make spot starts just like he has for the Marlins.
408inthe619
Ok good to know. Hopefully he’s better in that role than Mazur
Pads Fans
Brito is on the 40 man and Padres sent him down to get stretched out. He can also make spot starts. Padres will be fine.
Brew’88
Vasquez, Brito and Hoeing are highly inexperienced or unproven SPs. I don’t expect much from Perez, other than his 5-ish ERA. Maybe a bit better than Mazur.
They better hope Musgrove and/or Darvish return strong, and Waldron and King navigate the uncharted waters of season long innings pitched.
Pads Fans
You seem to think the prospects are all great, future stars, and the guys that have shown they can do it in the majors are unproven. Why is that?
5. ERA is 2 runs better than 7 ERA.
Better hope nothing. The starting rotation got better and the bullpen is now among the very best.
Brew88
No. I don’t think that at all. If you took time to read, I did say Perez should do better than Mazur, which isn’t saying much. That small gain might excite you, but I don’t think it was enough of a gain.
Simm
Let’s say Perez is a 5 era guy. That means his is going to give up 3 runs in 4/5 innings on avg.
That’s not good obviously but with the padres pen they maybe able to keep it to around that for the game which gives them a legit shot of winning those games.
Vs Mazur who will give up 2/4 runs in 3-4 innings. More innings to cover for the pen and at least the same score if not worse.
Musgrove will be back soon enough so the padres don’t need a ton from Perez. It will be interesting to see if he stays in the starting the starting rotation once Musgrove is back or do the park Vasquez in aaa.
Hopefully for the padres both Musgrove and Darvish get back sooner than later and can be good. If they do then this padres team looks really really good.
Brew’88
Mazur’s brief stint was so bad, I just don’t see it as a viable bar for comparison. Finding a 5 ERA SP isn’t that difficult. They found one and that’s what he’ll bring.
I too hope for Musgrove and Darvish to return as themselves. That might be critical because I’m still not sold on Vasquez in stressful games in September, and even Waldron really lacks a track record/experience. A lot of pressure on him if Musgrove and/or Darvish can’t return.
Looking back at the TDL, not too many excellent SPs were traded. No one broke the bank on Skubal (if he was available) or Crocket. The Cardinals might have gotten the best deal in Fedde. Snell stayed put. The Faherty injury issue is getting a little weird, more I read about it. I’m surprised Quantrill wasn’t dealt (what’s with the Rockies?)
Simm
Yeah I have no idea why the Rockies didn’t move Quantrill or Diaz. I was hoping the padres would get Quantrill.
Waldron is a concern the first inning or two. If he can get through those he has been great.
Vazquez I don’t trust at all. Dudes stat cast numbers are really bad. Especially vs lefties. I actually think Perez stays in the rotation when Musgrove is back. I guess will see how each performance the next two weeks.
Padres absolutely should consider doing some pen games well. Could start morejon for two innings. The padres do have a decent amount of days off this month so that should help.
Tonight is a pretty big game. If the padres win they can get to 4.5 back of the dodgers and own the tie breaker. It’s a long shot but things could get interesting. Especially with how the dodgers pen has been.
If the padres had tatis, Musgrove and darvish (healthy) walking through the door the next 2 weeks is feel great about them. That’s a long shot so we will need some backend starters to perform well.
Either way the padres have won 8 of 9 while playing the guardians, nats, O’s and dodgers. Which is great.
Perksy
Suarez still closing?
Simm
I’m sure he is still the best of all these dudes
Brew’88
He’s a potential/likely Fireman of the Year/Trevor Hoffman NL Reliever of the Year Award winner, so he’s still closing.
But when he’s gassed, they have enough other guys now that someone else might pick up a save now and then.
Gwynning
I think so? No reason to jumble it all TOO much…
Butter Biscuits
Preller tossed in all his chips for relievers lol
fba0017
Last hurrah of Preller destroying Padres before he gets fired when they are of the playoffs. Lol
Simm
Nah if that’s was the case DeVries and Salas would be gone. Those two are worth more than anything he has traded away in the last year.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
You did not watch the Padres before Preller came around if you think Preller has destroyed the Padres.
Brew’88
AJP has helped, but I think Towers would have done so much better with a payroll to work with. AJP coincided with the payroll rising from the very bottom tier to mid-level or higher
websoulsurfer
It wasn’t until 2020 that the Padres payroll jumped into the top half of baseball. The Padres payroll was 23rd, 25th and 29th in 2017, 2018, and 2019 respectively.
After Preller did what he was asked by Ron Fowler to “make a splash” in 2015 which increased the payroll and ticket sales by 20%, the Padres started a rebuild of the entire organization from top to bottom in mid-2016 that was intended to make the team a contender in 2021.
They beat that goal by one year and have made the playoffs in 2 of 4 seasons. If they make this year, which they have a great shot at doing, that will be 3 of 5 in the playoffs and the best stretch in team history.
Simm
Brew- i actually agree and disagree with you.
Building the mlb team is prob trust towers more than preller. Building a system preller is light year better.
So for sustainable I think preller maybe able to sustain it longer. Of course towers also had one of the best managers ever in Bochy…that helps.
Brew88
Yeah, both GMs have their strengths and weaknesses. I was mainly pointing out that payroll can be correlated with a GMs success. Though I think Preller has done a much better job this year with less $ to work with.
Simm
There is no doubt money helps. Especially when it comes to sustainable success.
The O’s are going to be a story to watch in this in the coming years. Will they pay the good players they have once they hit or near free agency? They have new owners so maybe. But also think they hoard their prospects because they might not be able to and that’s the only they can have future success. Seidler changed that for the padres but with him gone we shall see if that continues.
Yoyoma123
Wow.. Padres just traded their #2, 4 and 5th ranked prospects just for tanner scott.. that is insane..
MC Tim C
Not really. Mazur isn’t an MLB caliber pitcher. Snelling looks completely broken. Pauley is okay but not likely an everyday MLB player at his peak.
Brew’88
I wouldn’t give up on Snelling (was great last year) and Mazur (was rushed into ML this year) just yet. Pauley will be fine too.
A lot of Padre fans here diminishing what they’re giving up in trades to boost the top of an already top-heavy bullpen. The very prospects they’ve been standing behind last few years. The cost has been heavy and I can’t say I understand it. If there’s one rule of thumb for a GM it’s don’t overpay for RP. Seems as though that’s no longer the case.
Let’s face it, we’re giving up a lot for RP, hopefully it’s not for naught. BOR SP is still a huge hole and dread to think of two particular young prospects who might be packing their bags now.
Unless of course there is breaking news that Darvish is returning soon. The SP need might be moot.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Why are the Padres promoting their prospects so quickly? Is it so that they can trade them more quickly? I’ve never been a big believer in rushing prospects. There is an element of building them up and keeping the confidence level high in the earlier years.
Pads Fans
Per MLB Network, 3.6% of prospects traded become impact players in the majors. That is 1 in 26.
Which of the 24 prospects Preller has traded the last 3 seasons will be the one?
winniejones31
Look at Jackson Merrill. It paid off.
websoulsurfer
Nobody seems to want to answer your question, so I will. CJ Abrams.
lesterdnightfly
If what you say is true — that their #2, #4, and #5 are “junk” — that means that their prospect list is devoid of talent.
Preller is pushing all his chips in with nothing left on the farm.
MC Tim C
No one is saying they’re junk but some people are acting like they gave up elite prospects.
Brew’88
Robbie Snelling represented the Padres at the Future Games earlier this summer, and was minor league pitcher of the year last year. And now at age 20, he’s still fairly elite. He has struggled this year (weirdly, at the same AA level he so excelled at last year), albeit trying to make adjustments as is typical at age 20. And as a back up, he can play QB/Linebacker for the Miami Dolphins
Pads Fans
Pauley is struggling in AAA this year with an 83 wRC+. An OPS about 60 points below league average. He grades out as a 45 FV prospect. Below average.
Brew’88
Pauley was darn good last year in AAA, he probably just needs some patience to get out of mini slump (like Machado and Bogaerts did this year). After being built up as an opening day starter for Pads this year (i.e. rushed), his failure had to be stressful. I’m guessing a change of scenery will help Pauley.
websoulsurfer
Pauley didn’t play in AAA last season. He ended the season in AA San Antonio for 20 games. He spent almost all of last season in A and A+ ball. 107 games.
Half a season is not a mini slump. It’s a full-blown slump. Hopefully he snaps out of it in the Marlins organization because he is a really great kid.
As you can probably tell from my comments about him in the past, I think he has a really good swing that would result in a high average and thought he would stick once he was called up. Not sure what happened in El Paso this season.
Pads Fans
Tanner Scott and Bryan Hoeing. Hoeing has a 1.50 ERA as a reliever this season and is under team control for 4 years after 2024
Brew’88
To complete the story, Scott is just a 2 month rental. He’s a win-now addition and the team better make the playoffs at least to justify the trade. Hoeing has a career 5.48 ERA and 1.4 WHIP over 113 IP. He’s only pitched 30 innings this year, very few in relief.
websoulsurfer
Hoeing has 14 appearances in relief this season and he has been exceptionally good in that role. Like with Puk, the Marlins messed up in trying to stretch out Hoeing. He will excel as a middle reliever. Go watch a few Marlins games. Just skip the 2 starts in July just before the All Star game.
Brew’88
I’m not writing him off, maybe he’s a late bloomer that would ease the pain of this trade. He now has a great pitching coach.
He’ll likely be used in the low-pressure long relief situations rest of this year and should do much better than the many who have tried (Cosgrove, etc…) so far this year.
Simm
I have never seen hoeing pitch. So hard for me to comment on him. Reports he has made some adjustments so maybe he is better than his career numbers. I know in the pen this year he has been great. Small sample size but it’s not that unusual for a guy to late bloom and be a good reliever.
We will find out soon enough. Plus as you said neibla may be able to help him improve.
Gwynning
Uh, no they didn’t? What rankings are u using??
Brew88
Actually, yes they did
User 4204968895
It’s so good to know that the Red Sox were “interested.” Thanks again, NESN.
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Blackpink in the area
Good gosh. What a ridiculous overpay for a couple relievers.
Reynaldo's
Snelling, Mazur, and Pauley are all having down years and will see their pre-2024 rankings fall after this year..Preller didn’t give up that much value here.
Chemo850
Don’t be ignorant. Every single one of those guys you just mentioned just got promoted to a higher level before struggling. And Mazur had little league numbers at AA just this year before being promoted
Pads Fans
Snelling is in the same level he ended last season at. He has struggled with both his command and his stuff this season. He is only 20 so I think he will rebound, but this season has been brutal.
Mazur started the season at the same level he was at at end of last season before being called up as emergency starter in San Diego. Instead of being sent down to AA, he was sent down to AAA and continued to struggle after struggling in the majors. He graded out as a 50FV prospect. MLB average.
Pauley is in AAA after starting the season in San Diego and he is struggling. 83 wRC+. OPS 60 points below league average. His scouting grade is 45FV, meaning his ceiling is below MLB average.
You have to give up value to get value. Padres got a CLOSER with a 1.18 ERA and a swing man with a 1.50 ERA as a reliever and 4+ seasons of control. In the playoffs your pen is all important and the Padres pen is now one of the best in MLB.
Brew88
He won’t be a closer on the Pads, he’ll be a set up man. 2 months from now he won’t be a Padre anymore
sdpadsfan11
Poor use of assets on the Padres side.
padsfan96
So our 5th starter is now…. who exactly?
Hoping there is another trade coming to shore up the rotation.
ACK
Randy Vasquez & Jhonny Britto. I would think AJ got word that Musgrove & Darvish will be back before the playoffs, so he passed on the high priced SP route and went with bullpen arms instead,
Simm
Musgrove will be back soon, as early as this Sunday.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Pen games….
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Joe Musgrove and Billy Bullpen.
Brew’88
careful what you hope for. de Vries for Quantrill?
Rally Goose
Would make the Clevinger trade the worst trade of the Preller era, which it is already top 5.
Simm
Rally- clevinger trade doesn’t look as bad with Waldron now performing.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@RallyGoose
Matt Waldron would like a word with you.
Rally Goose
Still a top 5 bad Preller trade. Waldron was a throw-in.
Longtimecoming
No no and NO!
I’ll take a BP day with no added SP and then Joe comes back which in start 1 can be a BP game.
I actually called that a few weeks ago and now Joe has even said just 1 rehab start and he wants to come back for 3 ip opener.
Seems like a lot to pay but all have been way down this year and maybe Hoeing is a SP in 2025.
Brew’88
I wouldn’t bank on Hoeing suddenly becoming good and slotting in as a SP in 25, at least, nothing from his past suggests this is likely to happen.
websoulsurfer
Hoeing has been good. He doesn’t have to become good. His 1.50 ERA as a reliever this year is really good. Dan O’Dowd talked about the change since he started throwing a splitter after the ASG last season. His ERA has been under 3 overall and under 2.50 as a reliever. hoeing does have 9 starts last season and this season, so it’s not like he can’t be counted on to take the ball if needed, but why when he is so much better as a reliever and the Padres have so many options already?
Padres will be utilizing him as a reliever now and in 2025. They have 6 guys that they can slot into the rotation next season and have been stretching Brito out in the minors to fill the 6th/emergency starter spot when needed.
Brew’88
Over the 30 innings he’s pitched this year he’s been okay. Not a big sample size though. Over his career (113 innings) he’s a below average RP/spot starter. with a 5.48 ERA. and high walk rate.
padsfan96
I mean, Vasquez is effectively our #4 starter at this moment, with Brito getting pushed into the #5 spot with Mazur gone. I wouldn’t be banking our playoff hopes on getting anything from Darvish & Musgrove at this point
Longtimecoming
Martin Pérez will be the 5 for the foreseeable future.
Pads Fans
Brito or Hoeing if needed.
News today is that Musgrove could be back by Sunday. Undoubtedly on limited innings, but Padres pen is now Suarez, Scott, Adam, Estrada, Morejon, Hoeing, Matsui, and DLS or Kolek got moved to garbage time instead of meaningful innings.
Simm
Peralta should be back soon as well. Some guys have to go.
Pads Fans
DLS traded to Yankees just now
Pads Fans
Martin Perez.
Butter Biscuits
Wheelin’ and dealin’ like his job is on the line
2020vision
Padres playoff games will go Cease, King, Bullpen Game (5 to 7 arms throwing 100MPH) followed by knuckleballer Waldron…, rinse & repeat.
Simm
Nah Musgrove will be back and perhaps darvish.
Brew’88
You must know something I don’t know.
ATinz
The Padres, always a bridesmaid never a bride.
Gwynning
So, is the bridesmaid supposed to stop trying?
Brew’88
this isn’t a wedding, but what a terrible thing to say to a bridesmaid at a wedding. No punch for you.
desertdawg
I guess Preller was thinking make a deal for Scott and if you can’t make a deal for another starter, at least you have a 5 thru 9 inning bullpen to cover your starters. Plus, it keeps the Dodgers from getting Scott.
Rally Goose
BTV says Marlins by $20m. That Pauley or Mazur by themselves should have gotten this done.
Zombie Bukowski
You guys are tripping way hard over, at best, mid level prospects.
Rally Goose
1. I wouldn’t call Snelling mid.
2. They could and should have done better than two relievers, one being a rental, for him.
Brew’88
by comparison, the Dodgers gave up their $9 prospect for rental Flaherty. The Padres gave up their #2, 4 and 5 prospects for a rental RP
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Brew88 And another relief pitcher controllable for four more years.
Also, I’m seeing now the Yankees backed out of a trade for Flaherty after a medical review.
Also, there’s that “Flaherty won’t pitch in the postseason without a contract extension” thing.
There are known circumstances missing from your analysis, and we are finding out now about previously unknown circumstances.
Brew88
I think you’re confusing Crochet with Flaherty
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Brew88 You’re right. Fair point.
websoulsurfer
BTV is garbage. How can I tell you don’t listen to actual experts? You try to bring up BTV. Worse yet, you PAY for their garbage.
Rally Goose
Didn’t pay for it. Real trades are included in the free version.
619-858
Padres brass to Preller, “You can’t trade Salas or De Vries to help the team make the postseason in 2024 just to try and save your job.”
Preller’s response,”You didn’t say anything about literally everyone else!”
Informed Sportsball Discussion
With the work Preller has done on the Soto deal and Cease and Arraez, and with the great work Shildt has done improving this roster’s ability to hit situationally (and its all around performance), any talk of Preller being on the hot seat should be off the table.
Give Preller and Shildt a solid three to four year window. All indications are this group is clicking.
winniejones31
100%!
beersy
Your comment about situational hitting must not include hitting with runners on base. The Padres leave way too many guys on base for my liking. If they could start cashing some more in instead of leaving them stranded, they could/would be real beast to play with this newly acquired bullpen.
Simm
Beersy- padres are one of the better team hitting with runners in scoring position.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@beersy Hitters getting consistently overmatched by pitchers is a league-wide problem.
Also, the Padres have had challenges with clutch hitting and LOB as long as I have watched them, even in ’98. That said, it has been well reported the ’24 club understands to execute each situation and try for line drives, not always trying to swing for the fences like in ’23. The club’s overall record and peripheral numbers bear out that it is working.
beersy
The statistics may say differently, but every game I have been to this year the Pads have left a frustratingly amount of runners on base and have gone 6-5 in those 11 games.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@beersy You know doubt are aware then of the team’s atrocious record last year in extra innings and one run games, and are also aware these bats have run into dry spells this year and last.
I think we both are correct. The team is much improved with clutch hitting this year, and there still is room for further improvement.
beersy
I am on board with that ISD. The team is a 1000% better than last year in close games, but still have room to grow because if they cashed a few more guys in throughout the game, they might not be close games.
Brew’88
At least they kept Tirso and Eguy
Pads Fans
Tirso and Eguy to take the places of Peralta and Solano next season.
Brew’88
If Tatis isn’t ready to return in August, I have to believe they give Tirso a call, he’s been mashing. Eguy and Solano have a ton of similarities
websoulsurfer
Nando is in the dugout tonight and working out with the team right now. He is about 2 weeks away as long as the stress reaction continues to heal.
Simm
Web- preller said yesterday they will have another update in a couple of days. His last step is being cleared to run. Once that happens we will see him back shortly after. He could be cleared later this week with any luck.
Which probable means late next we at the earliest. So two weeks is possible but we shall see.
Butter Biscuits
Starting to think preller has some sort of gambling addiction
Gwynning
Ahem, just his interpreter thank you very much!
thefaithfulfriar
I think we’re GTG. Hopefully Joe comes back strong. If not, 5-6 innings and turn it over to the pen. LFGSD!
mlbdodgerfan2015
What in god’s name is AJ Preller doing? Now, I give him credit for trading away unproven prospects, even the highly rated ones, for established players. Not enough GMs do that. But he’s been going off the deep end, and combined with the bad contracts, this is not going to end well for the Padres.
Zombie Bukowski
Enjoy your upcoming annual NLDS exit.
mlbdodgerfan2015
I’d rather be in postseason every year, while sustainably maintaining talent at the minors. Preller is clearly not thinking about the future, and that’s dangerous.
Zombie Bukowski
Preller is quite possibly the best scout in baseball.
Been in the post season every year and no real championship to show for it lol. And the window seems to be getting a wee bit smaller.
The Padres core will have them in contention for the foreseeable future.
mlbdodgerfan2015
We’ll see how they’ll be able to finance that kind of payroll in the future. A lot of bad contracts to eat. He may be a good scout but he doesn’t make good trades or hand out good contracts, as we’ve seen. Also, why give up on your top prospects so quickly? If they’re not as good as you thought is Preller such a good scout after all?
Zombie Bukowski
They’re top 5 in attendance every year. They’re working on the TV situation. Think they’ll be fine financially.
The contracts can’t be entirely laid at his doorstep.
mlbdodgerfan2015
And yet they had to take loans. Not in good financial standing. SD is also a fair weather fan place. Where do you think attendance will be when they’re no longer in postseason? They’ll have to package more prospects to get a big market team to eat some of those bad contracts. Pretty sure that at least two or three of those guys won’t finish their careers with the Padres.
Zombie Bukowski
They’ve been top 5 in attendance since 2021. During that time, playoffs once, so your argument and logic is lacking.
The loan thing has been discussed ad nauseam and a non issue as teams do this all the time.
I’d be more concerned with an organization that has been the best team in the regular season and baseball for the last dozen years and no real championship to show for their efforts.
Pads Fans
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Padres will have $40 million to spend in the offseason after all the trades today and no real holes to fill until after 2025.
mlbdodgerfan2015
How was attendance from 2007 to 2019 when the Padres weren’t in postseason? Exactly.
Pads Fans
Padres didn’t take loans to pay payroll. In recent history ONLY the Dodgers and McCourt have had to do that.
The Padres took a loan to complete the purchase of land from the city of San Diego to build cisterra.com/tailgatepark
Why would the Padres have to move any of those contracts for the foreseeable future? Team is set in rotation, pen, and lineup for next season with only a handful of players that are FA and about $40 million to spend while staying under the CBT threshold. Also, the ownership said that they were going to try to dip under the CBT threshold for 2024, but are willing to go over again in 2025 if they need to in order to put a championship caliber team on the field. .
Pads Fans
Since 2019, the Padres have only been in the playoffs in 2020 when there was ZERO attendance and in 2022.
From 2021 to today the Padres have been 3rd, 5th, 2nd, and 4th in attendance per game. They have been 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and 2nd in percentage of capacity. Incidentally, they had higher attendance than the Dodgers as a percentage of capacity in each of those seasons.
In this century, in other words from 2001 to 2024, the Padres rank 7th in attendance in MLB. They rank 5th as a percentage of capacity. Does that answer your question?
Pads Fans
Per MLB Network, 3.6% of prospects traded become impact players in the majors. 1 in 26.
mlbdodgerfan2015
That figure is for all prospects. Sure, the hit rate is low. But I’d bet that number is much higher for top 10 prospects. Many top prospects won’t pan out but even so you just don’t trade away that much talent relative to what the Padres received. I’d think most GMs would agree with me on that one, except for Preller of course.
Padres just traded away 12 of their top 15 prospects this year (according to a post I saw today). I’m all for being aggressive, but for me that’s way too aggressive.
Pads Fans
The “hit rate” for top 100 prospects is 17%. For those traded in-season its 21.2%. Kyle Glaser of Baseball America had a great article about it yesterday. He called it “consequential” and defined that “hit rate” for prospects as spending at least half of two seasons in the majors with a WAR that was above replacement level.
Not sure what your definition is.
Of all top 100 prospects since 1990 to 2017, 3.8% put up a single 4.0 WAR season or more in their careers or averaged 2.0 WAR. Which is about 1 in 26.
So please, tell me which ONE of the 24 prospects the Padres traded away the last 3 years will “HIT”. Or if Preller is twice as good as the average GM, which TWO will hit?
Zombie Bukowski
Preller yet again embodies Rockstar GM Status.
Rally Goose
That’s a weird way to spell Bendix.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Can never have too many, especially dominant ones. The bullpen has been Estrada, Morejon, Suarez and pray you don’t need to rely on anyone else.
websoulsurfer
Matsui has been good putting up a 3.45 ERA. Really its been when they had to depend on Kolek, Cosgrove, and De Los Santos in high leverage situations that was the problem. Now they have 4 guys that can be relied on in those high leverage situations and 3 that are really good that they can use in the middle relief spots. The only question mark will be Kolek until Peralta returns,
Informed Sportsball Discussion
But even Matsui has been bitten by the blown hold bug a few times. Any pitcher in this bullpen but the top three has stood a good chance of getting lit up on any given night.
That looks a lot less likely now
Rally Goose
Going to have to issue QO’s to both Profar and Kim this offseason to restock the farm system.
YourDreamGM
A+ Miami. Nobody does it better than AJ
D SD. Would have been a C if they could have found someone other than Snelling. And why couldn’t they? No other team was coming close to this offer. Overpay AJ. I’m not quite as high on Snelling as others. Other prospects are certainly tradable. Still expensive win now move.
beersy
Just out of curiosity, how do you what other teams were offering?
JoeBrady
Seems like a substantial package for a guy that won’t be SD’s closer.
formerlyz
Guess I’m in the minority b/c to me, this seems more like quantity with the appearance of quality more than an actual return for these guys…like it seems slightly light in actuality
Sd prospects have struggled a lot those year, as was already seen and experienced by the Marlins earlier this year, and I see some issues with a couple of thse guys…
Got yet another 2nd baseman for some reason, an interesting SP that has struggled a lot this year, a struggling pitcher that seems more like a reliever profile, and a utility player a few years from the big leagues
Would have preferred at least 2 safer bets in return, but again, it is what it is, and the direction is at least finally the right one
I lile Hoeing to be more than he has been with the Marlins. He found more velocity, and I think can be useful as a swing option with multiple innings, and could be valuable in the playoffs doing that…Never missed bats much. But he has changed a bit the last 2 years. And Cam maybe be pushed a little more
energel
trading a #44 prospect and 3 solid prospects for a 30 year old reliver
yeah scott is really good but why do the padres not care about any of their prospects?
beersy
Because Preller &Co. just keep finding more.
Pads Fans
Per MLB Network today 3.6% of prospects traded become impact players in the majors, That is 1 in 26.
Brew’88
And dogs like bones. But what’s the point of posting this over and over? Are you wanting folks to accept that prospects have little to no value? Because more than 3.6% of prospects form the currency that helps teams like the Padres trade for ML-ready impact players (eg. Dylan Cease).
So it’s good to have a lot of them rather than jettison them away foolishly (and I say a 2-month rental RP is foolish utilization of Snelling’s worth).
websoulsurfer
Maybe is saying that because its relevant? What does dogs like bones have to do with anything? How is your comment relevant?
What he is commenting is literally what they said about the Padres trade on MLB Network today. Even put up a graphic con the screen while they were talking about this very trade. Maybe go listen to what former GMs like O’Dowd have to say about what the Padres are doing,
Or listen to former owner Peter Seidler about how he viewed prospects. Kutsenda and Preller have said they are going to continue operating like Seidler had been doing things, so why would you think that the team would value prospects any differently?
Snelling is a question mark. Scott with a 1.18 ERA and Hoeing with a 1.50 ERA as a reliever are exclamation marks, I want exclamation marks on my team. Why do you want question marks? Even if its a large number of question marks?
Rally Goose
Lol the “back up” is here.
Brew88
So you agree with “Pads Fans” that prospects have such low probabilities of success (value) that they are simply expendable. Okay. Enjoy Cease, Arraez, Musgrove, Darvish, etc… all possible because the Padres were smart in their spending of their cumulated prospects capital. Today they were not so smart in my opinion. I know your opinion differs, and you have every right to your opinion. I’d appreciate the same privilege, if that is possible from you?
Brew88
Unless they extend Scott, of course he won’t be a Padre when season ends
PadresWSChamps2025
Don’t validate his bs just call him out for using multiple accounts.
Brew88
Nah, it’s clear to all anyway. I come here for the baseball discussions, not my place to be therapist.
Rally Goose
Oh shoot. Didn’t realize Tanner Scott was a rental. Thought he had more club control. Yeah if we don’t win it all this year this is crap.
mlbdodgerfan2015
I think that’s what a lot of Padre fans must be thinking. All other fans are laughing at Preller, yet again.
Zombie Bukowski
Nah, at this point he’s GM of the year. They lost 10+ WAR last offseason and yet are within striking distance of the perennial regular season champions in the NL West.
Enjoy your upcoming NLDS elimination.
Rally Goose
lol
OldSaltUSN
Wow, lol, 167 comments on a trade that happened an hour ago. Talk about a hot thread. Anyhow, reposting what I just wrote in an earlier thread.
Just heard about the Tanner Scott trade. Whatever you think about Preller, and the Padres he’s spent and prospects he’s traded, at least THESE Padres are making moves to be competitive. Most of the years BP (i.e. before Preller), the trade deadline was where the Padres OFFLOADED their most prized, money saving players and prospects, in exchange for some veteran retread who would make the Padres his final MLB team, as he flamed out within a year.
Anyone who’s critical of the large money deals, trading away prospects, longs for the “boring”, hopeless years of Padres baseball, whether or not they know it. The Padres may or not make the playoffs this year, or last very long once they do, but I have to believe that Padres ownerships and Preller, are doing everything they know (reasonably) possible to create a competitive team, that realistically, COULD win it all for 2024.
Bravo Zulu, Preller and his staff. Thanks, owners!
Smelly_Cobb
Amen, Salt
Pads Fans
Padres just added 3 relievers and a back of the rotation starter this deadline and will be just under the CBT threshold
Next season the Padres have 6 starters returning for 5 spots.
Cease, King, Waldron, Musgrove, Darvish, Vasquez
They have Suarez and their entire pen other than Scott returning.
They have their all of their position players other than Kim, Profar, and Higashioka coming back
They have about $40 million to spend and stay under the CBT threshold.
OldSaltUSN
Aside: My gut feeling is that they keep Profar, and fail to extend Kim. Kim will draw more $interest$ than he is worth to the Padres, vis-a-vis the IF resources they have. If his bat had proven to be his “norm” (and he was a heck of a proven hitter in Korea), then, lol, the Padres still probably couldn’t afford him, because he’d be getting a Manny like contract (or maybe $200M over too many years, whatever).
Profar may also prove too expensive (i.e. risk of his career norms, versus the likelihood that 2024 is a new norm for him, as he approaches his later baseball years). However, I think he likes the Pads enough, that he’ll accept a figure maybe lower in $$ or years, but that will keep him at his best baseball. I won’t call it “the Padres discount”, but rather, a mutually beneficial contract.
Pads Fans
OldSalt, I think that is a good take on that. Wondering if the Padres will go after a SS or a CF this coming offseason? Do they move Bogaerts back to SS and leave Merrill in CF? What do you think?
Simm
It’s a little risky but we shall see how Kim performs the last 2 months but I could see the padres tagging Kim with a QO. Perhaps he accepts it but there is still a good chance he won’t and sign a deal for over 50m next offseason. In which the padres will get a comp pick in the high 30’s in next years draft. Wich will help preller rebuild the farm.
If he accepts it then fine we have him for one year at around 20m. With not a lot of other holes to fill. As you said profar likely takes a discount to stay.
Zombie Bukowski
@Simm even with his so-so year at the dish I would think he would decline.
2020vision
If Musgrove can get back to 100% healthy, the Padres will have the team to make a deep run.
alphabravo619
Two catchers, four starters, seven shortstops, and the bullpen…good enough. LFGSD!
redsoxsuk1
I wonder if AJ would consider trading himself straight up for Cashman? Say what you want, about Preller, but at least he catches in his chips and goes for it!
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Can we have all the Marlins trades covered in one article and one post?
If so, I’d like to say in one post, thank you to all the suckers…I mean…trade partners that actually gave the Marlins something for our relievers. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
As for Tanner Scott, thank you AJ Preller! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! You are the big sucker…I mean…winner for Scott! He’s the perfect guy for the Padres. A Fool’s Gold reliever for a Fool’s Gold team.
straightuphonestguy
I’m not that high on Scott, but Hoeing is a good pick up for the back of the rotation. Mazur will definitely show better when he acclimates to AAA/MLB and I think Pauley will improve too, I was really hoping he’d have a chance to be the DH after 2025. Snelling I’m ambivalent on, stock is down like Lesko. Glad the Padres held on to Rosario, Salas, and De Vries.
Brew’88
And after last night, I’m glad they held on to Solano!
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Come on, Adams. “Impressive as Scott’s earned run average has been” is NOT PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave out “as” at the beginning of the sentence. It is not optional, just like grammar is not optional for a professional writer like you pretend to be.