The Mariners landed a much-needed lineup upgrade on Thursday night. Seattle announced the acquisition of Randy Arozarena from the Rays in exchange for two prospects — outfielder Aidan Smith and right-hander Brody Hopkins — as well as a player to be named later. Seattle had an opening on their 40-man roster after designating Ty France for assignment earlier this week, so no additional move was necessary.
Arozarena had an excellent four-plus year run in Tampa Bay. The Rays acquired him from the Cardinals over the 2019-20 offseason in a deal sending top pitching prospect Matthew Liberatore to St. Louis. Arozarena had made a brief MLB debut the prior season, but the 2020 postseason represented his true emergence as a star. He mashed 10 home runs in 20 games, snagging ALCS MVP honors and helping the Rays reach the World Series.
Despite that breakout playoff performance, Arozarena retained rookie eligibility into 2021. He cruised to Rookie of the Year honors behind a .274/.356/.459 slash with 20 homers and stolen bases apiece. That was the first of three straight 20-20 campaigns for the Cuban outfielder. He swiped a career-high 32 bases in ’22 and reached 23 longballs in his first All-Star season last year.
Arozarena appeared in 445 games between 2021-23. He hit .264/.349/.443 with 63 homers in a little more than 1900 plate appearances. That production was 26 percentage points above league average, as measured by wRC+, putting him among the best left fielders in the game. Arozarena’s accolades and consistency led to quickly escalating arbitration salaries. That fueled chatter that the low-payroll Rays could deal him last offseason.
Tampa Bay obviously rebuffed whatever trade offers they received over the winter. They certainly hoped Arozarena would anchor their lineup and help them to a sixth straight playoff berth. He and the team got off to a cold start, however, putting them in a hole from which they’ve never really recovered.
Arozarena hit .158/.257/.312 through the end of May. Some of that was the result of an unsustainably poor .186 average on balls in play, but his strikeout rate spiked to a near-29% rate. Arozarena has turned things around following that disastrous stretch. He’s raking at a .290/.402/.517 clip over the past two months. He has dramatically cut back on the swing-and-miss (down to 19.5%) and slightly increased his walk percentage. The results have been far more in line with his career track record.
In aggregate, Arozarena’s season numbers are pedestrian. He’s hitting .211/.318/.394 with 15 homers through 409 plate appearances. That’s only marginally better than average and would be the worst numbers of his career. Given his overall track record and recent form, it seems fair to view his early-season struggles as more of an anomaly than a worrying trend. Getting anything close to the 29-year-old’s career production would be a major boost for a Seattle lineup that has hit .216/.298/.362 on the year. Only the White Sox have scored fewer runs this month, the biggest reason the M’s have watched their 10-game cushion in the AL West evaporate.
The Mariners are only a half-game ahead of the Rays in the American League standings. It’s rare to see a team trade an impact player to another club that close to them in the playoff picture. Seattle is in better shape than Tampa Bay with regards to snagging a playoff berth, though. The Rays need to jump three teams and erase a four-game deficit in the Wild Card mix. Seattle has a much more realistic path to a division title, as they’re only one game behind the Astros and hold a 1.5 game edge on the third-place Rangers.
While Tampa Bay isn’t going to completely tear things down, they could dangle a number of veteran players in the next few days. The Rays had already moved Aaron Civale and Phil Maton. Dealing Arozarena seems to increase the likelihood of them moving the likes of Brandon Lowe, Yandy Díaz, Zach Eflin and Zack Littell. The Rays could also try to acquire upper minors or MLB-ready talent to aid a long shot playoff push this season and help them for a return to contention next year.
Seattle is in much more traditional buyer mode. Their offense was reeling even before losing Julio Rodríguez and J.P. Crawford to injury this week. Arozarena is one of what is likely to be multiple upgrades to their lineup as they try to capitalize on arguably MLB’s best starting rotation. The M’s have relied on another former Ray, Luke Raley, as their primary left fielder. Raley has been an average hitter on the season overall, but he has fanned 22 times with a .119/.224/.254 slash in 67 plate appearances this month.
Arozarena is playing this season on an $8.1MM salary. The M’s take on around $2.83MM for the stretch run, which will push their estimated player payroll to around $143MM (as calculated by RosterResource). Managing partner John Sherman said last month that the front office had the spending capacity to add players at the deadline. They’ve put that into practice here and could do so again before Tuesday. Seattle controls Arozarena through arbitration for two more seasons. He’ll likely earn a boost into the $12-14MM range next year and could approach a $20MM salary for the ’26 campaign.
The Rays, a team that entered the season with a player payroll below $100MM, probably weren’t eager to commit to those 2025-26 salaries. A trade by next offseason always seemed likely. They’re sufficiently intrigued by the prospect package to make the move a few months early, even if it deals a hit to their already slim playoff chances.
Smith and Hopkins each ranked in the middle tiers of a Seattle farm system that is arguably the best in the league. They respectively checked in 14th and 15th on Baseball America’s most recent organizational list. Smith, 20, was a fourth-round pick out of a Texas high school last summer. He signed for an overslot $1.2MM bonus.
The righty-hitting outfielder has posted huge numbers for Low-A Modesto. Smith is hitting .284/.402/.470 with 26 doubles, a triple and nine homers across 358 plate appearances. He’s drawing walks at a massive 14.5% clip against a slightly elevated 24.3% strikeout rate. BA praises Smith’s athleticism and defensive instincts in center field. He has significant power potential in a 6’3″ frame, though there are still questions about his pure hitting ability.
Hopkins was a sixth-round draftee out of Winthrop last year. The 6’4″ righty has been one of the big risers in the system this year. He owns a 2.90 ERA over 83 2/3 innings with Modesto. Hopkins has fanned 26.5% of batters faced while issuing walks at an 11.1% clip. He has hard a tough time throwing strikes dating back to his time in college, but Baseball America credits him with a plus fastball/slider combination from a lower arm angle that’s especially tough for same-handed hitters. He could project to a bullpen future but should continue to start for the time being.
Neither Smith nor Hopkins are close to the majors or to Rule 5 eligibility. Pending the revelation of the PTBNL (who cannot be on Seattle’s 40-man roster or one of this year’s draftees), it’s a future-oriented package for Tampa Bay. The next few days should reveal whether the Rays are focusing their deadline hauls on lower minors prospects or simply liked Smith and Hopkins enough to overlook their distance from the big leagues.
Francys Romero first reported the Rays were trading Arozarena to Seattle. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reported the Rays were acquiring two prospects and a player to be named later. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times was first to report that Smith and Hopkins were the prospects.
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VermonsterSD
Bummer, wanted him in Brown and Gold….
straightuphonestguy
He’s great, but nowhere to play him. Padres offense looks very good right now and Tatis should be back this year.. just need a backend starter and some bullpen additions.
mark1623
Will Tatis be back? Wish we knew for sure.
straightuphonestguy
Can’t say for sure, but all the news is positive up to this point. Just have to be patient.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The Friars need to go back to the navy blue and orange colors. The s*** stain brown is so bad.
SodoMojo90
Those were clean
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Shoot with that low of a return the Padres probably just could’ve offered Lesko or even less and call it good
Perksy
Yeah but too many teams wear navy or red. I like the brown, it’s old school with a modern twist. Plus it’s separates them from the others.
Max Powers
No
seth3120
Wow. Never count out their gm when he’s got a winning team Dipoto will make a big move the Angels never should have let him go but Mareno had to meddle and you can’t win as Mareno as defacto gm he’ll always sign the big name position player and never build an entire roster. Good for the Mariners this is a legit upgrade that really boosts their chances and he’s not a straight rental
Rexhudler86
@seth3120 it was pretty much scioscia that got dipoto fired, he wasn’t giving the players scouting information just being stubborn, and dipoto went to arte and said it’s either Mike or me that needs to go. I’m not sure if dipoto is the greatest gm either, but he was the best angels one since stoneman.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Throw some rice for a rose arena!
Oddball Hererra
Woohoo things have started happening
cah011381
Maybe this will get the ball rolling?
sorengo99
Woo is not who. It’s prospects–two.
I Believe We Can Win
Thanks dr Seuss for summing up the trade.
Metsies
That was just made
sorengo99
Oh, the Places You’ll Dipoto.
Blackpink in the area
Unexpected move from the Mariners. Finally getting good here. Looking forward to seeing the return for Tampa.
solaris602
Mariners still need one more bat……and to replace Scott Servais, and then they should have a decent shot at the West.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t usually criticize Servais but him going to Stanek for the third time in a row to blow a game left me SMH.
SODOMOJO
My dad texted me right after that inning
“In the wise words of George W Bush….fool me once……”
SLL
ONE more bat? That makes a total of what, . . . two? three?
Smacky
They had a guy named TeOscar Hernández that hit the ball far.
User 4245925809
Look at the bright side.. They got/getting someone else to play OF defense who also is clueless out there, tho both can thro. Just hope (like Hernandez) he will throw to the cutoff guy.
Cost doesn’t seem to be that high. Smith’s numbers decent, but at inflated offensive stats Calif. league. Curious to see how he does beyond that and Tampa always looking to dump payroll, where Hernandez more than likely looking at 10m’ish in 2025 via arbitration.
Shows us with this a nd few other early deals that price of mediocre guys will be quite high prospects wise. What would a potential Tallion, Eovaldi cost? Even a recently dfa’d Big Maple by the LAD?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Teoscar struck out over 200 times and was not his Toronto or Los Angeles self in Seattle
24TheKid
They still need about 7 more bats but this is a very good start.
martevious
8 more bats…
jimmyz
Arozarena is having a down year but he fits the M’s #1, primary need as a power, outfield bat. Jazz Chisholm, Brent Rooker as a DH, or a rental 1b like Guerrero doesn’t make anywhere near as much sense.
YourDreamGM
Had a down third of year.
GOAT Closer Esteban Yan
I’m disappointed in what the Rays got back in this haul. They may be good one day, but I was hoping for more MLB ready talent, especially for next year. These guys are way off from cracking the MLB roster and who knows if they’ll ever make it. They could’ve let Randy heat up more and probably got a better offseason haul.
GOAT Closer Esteban Yan
Thanks for some of the details on these prospects. If they were going to do a trade with Seattle, I was hoping Ford would be part of the deal. The catching position has been neglected for too long by the Rays.
mp2891
No they couldn’t. Not with Randy having one less post-season of control and seeing his salary jump from $8MM this year to around $12-15MM next year. His trade value was never going to be higher. What they should have done was trade him last offseason.
GOAT Closer Esteban Yan
I 100% agree he should’ve been traded last offseason. That was definitely the height of his value. I do think that if he kept raking like he has been for the rest of the year that they could’ve more from a team that intended to resign him anyway.
Rally Goose
The Rays went into this season expecting to contend. Of course they weren’t going to trade Randy last offseason.
GOAT Closer Esteban Yan
I disagree. Everyone knew this was going to be a weird year without McClanahan, Springs, and Rasmussen for most of the season. They probably thought Randy wouldn’t start the year as bad as he did and he’d have more trade value by the deadline, but I think most Rays fans knew we weren’t going to be at our best this year without our three best arms.
mp2891
Rally – That was stupid of the Rays. McClanahan, Rasmussen, Baz and Springs were on IL for most/all of the year. They were probably losing Franco forever and his replacement (Walls) is a negative WAR player. And they traded 130 wRC+ bat Luke Raley for sub 100 wRC+ Caballero just to get through the season at SS. This team was always going to struggle to make the playoffs. Everyone could see that.
Rally Goose
I thought Junior Caminero was Franco’s replacement?
Heidegger
The Rays were not expected to contend this year- they traded away Glasnow before the season even began.
They would be wise to trade Paredes and Diaz away now while their stock is relatively high. They should have done that with Siri last year when a lot of people still thought he was going to be good.
Heidegger
Caminero’s hype is not even close to that of Franco.
Jason Hanselman
Based on the result, maybe that’s a good thing. JC seems like the ready replacement for Randy’s bat. A lot of similarities at the plate if not their position.
letitbelowenstein
I think it may end up being an overpay. Those prospects are pretty decent. One of them will end up making his mark, if not both.
billysbballz
One of them may make his mark but you just traded away a proven former all star with solid track record who will definitely bolster the lineup. This trade should set the market for other trades. That was a light return.
mp2891
Still have the PTBNL and word is it’s a decent player, not a throw-in
kjt404
Saw them both in Modesto. Hopkins has big time fastball that can get to 98-99mph paired with at least 3 other pitches, the best being his slider. Could move up quickly if the Rays wanted to transition him into a reliever. Smith is only 20, plays great defensive cf, has solid speed, hitting a lot of doubles into the gap; he obliterated a hanging slider the game I saw him. So does it help the Rays now, no, but they often come out on top in most trades with my Ms.
James Midway
Wonder what they had to give up. They badly needed a bat and need more bats.
Rollie's Mustache
I wonder if Logan Evans is involved. Isn’t cracking the rotation without an injury so feels like an obvious trade chip.
dshires4
They pulled the plug on Evans as a starter for that reason. Hes been pitching exclusively out of the bullpen since the beginning of June.
Bookbook
They moved Evans back to the rotation weeks ago. He’s near his innings limit for the season, but he’s a better starter than reliever.
Guarded Indian
That’s in the article.
James Midway
It wasn’t when I posted. I posted after the initial article just saying he was going over.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
Oh snap!!1!
FrontRowMarlins
It’s heating up boys!!!
ryno5 2
Nice
Touch 'em all Joe
Hot dog! Trader Jerry strikes again!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Trader Jerry might have pulled off another signature scam right after France left from the France Munoz scam
Touch 'em all Joe
Scam until you make it!
straightuphonestguy
Nice pickup, interested to see what Rays return looks like and how they’re gonna thread the competitive needle.
C Yards Jeff
Classic Rays move. And fair to both clubs.
Mariners_Mojo
Hitting .213 he’ll feel right at home here. An OPS over .700 is a luxury though for the mariners so I’m glad to have him on the team!
McGrundle
T-mobile vs domed stadium should cut him down to size.
jimmyz
I live in Pittsburgh, been to T-mobile a handful of times and only needed to see Arozarena once to know he put the ball in the stands there. Sure he won’t pop as many homers as he would in the dome in Tampa but he can clear any fence when he connects, especially pull side.
Stevil
Now try looking at his splits since June and consider his career norms.
Stevil
No, Smith is a solid OF prospect and Hopkins was Seattle’s best pitching prospect.
Fangraphs is particularly high on Hopkins. This is a great return for Tampa.
mp2891
LOL… Are you arguing with yourself or did MLBTR place your posts wrong?
Rishi
Wasn’t it fangraphs who once had Yankee great Ryan Weber (who nobody considered a prospect) as an elite Braves prospect, even at age 25? While Austin Riley, Max Fried, Mike Soroka, etc were all buried. Just one writer I guess but I’ve questioned them a lot since then. But I trust the Rays.
jbigz12
Aidan Smith is a guy with potential to move up prospect boards quickly. It’s a nice return for Arozarena.
Stevil
mp2891
MLBTR misplaced my comment.
You’d think that issue would have been fixed by now, but nope!
lesterdnightfly
Waaahh….
The dog ate my comment, sure.
mp2891
Stevil – I figured. I can’t make heads and tails of the comment system on MLBTR most of the time.
positively_broad_st
Awesome move for the Mariners (assuming Randy can find his swing again). Great pairing of his personality with Julio, Cal, and J.P.’s as well…
mattmoney
.893 OPS in June and .949 OPS in July. I think it’s safe to say he found his swing
LordD99
Unexpected.
mattmoney
Damn, I was hoping they would trade him to the Dodgers or the Phillies so we could see him in the playoffs. Idk if Randy will be enough to save the M’s offense. They need at least 2 more bats imo
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I’d say 3 more but it’s nice we got Randy for cheap
stymeedone
In 3 years, when those prospects are playing for TB, and Randy is playing for the Dodgers and is but a Seattle memory, will you feel the same?
mp2891
What are you saying here? That teams should never trade prospects? That teams shouldn’t trade for players who may only play for them for 1-2 years?
washatkc
Have you researched those prospects? Not the top end of the Mariners prospects. A good def OFer with a suspect bat and a future BP arm.
solaris602
But we’ve seen teams ship a box of clay from the riverbank to TB, and 2 years later they’ve transformed it into the Venus de Milo. Never underestimate the alchemy of the Rays’ system.
ayrbhoy
You’re comparing those two prospects to the rest of a Seattle system that has an abundance of top talent in the low minors. You are also clearly limited in your research if you think Aidan Smith has “a suspect bat”The SEA farm system benefited from 3 first rd picks in 2023 and an influx of top International Draft signings. SEA has also pivoted towards a strategy of spending most of their International Draft money on 1 or 2 players at the top of the draft rather than spreading that money across the board. In other words “quality over quantity.”
ayrbhoy
Washatkc- I Hit enter before I finished revising my thoughts!
My point is 1) there are 3 players being traded. 2) you’re mistaken if you think Aidan Smith is a “suspect bat” and Hopkins is a BP arm. 3) SEA happens to have an abundance of (low minor) top prospect bats thanks to 3 First rd picks in one yr – 2023 Draft. 4) TBR has a track record of drafting well. You can assume they know those 2 SEA prospects would be ranked higher in other farm systems across MLB
holecamels35
Good move. Mariners do try and move to trade, can’t deny that. They just really suck at picking bats.
JT70
I don’t even think it’s them sucking at picking bats, seems like the players they bring in just forget to bring their bats with them.
aragon
What for?
kylegocougs
#12 & #22 prospects in seattle system (45 FVs) and a PTBNL
DonOsbourne
I love the fit. The Mariners finally pushing some chips in.
Welp
He’s already hot and has a career .960.OPS in August! Look out!
SLL
His OPS so far this year is .717,
24TheKid
Off the top of my head that very well may be the highest of the Mariners regulars.
SodoMojo90
It’s easily the highest. Not sure who it was before. I looked at them a few weeks back and had to close the page quick to keep my food down.
TheGr8One
Why are multiple people asking what the Mariners gave up? Lol too many folks going from headline to comments and skipping the article. No need to ask just need to read.
YourDreamGM
All star ops last 2 months.
One reporter gets a bine that they are near a trade. Another official. Another or 2 others get the return. Takes a bit for full details.
martevious
He had a slow start. The last two months he’s been hot
Stevil
It’s.903 since 1 June.
Wire to wire 2024
Damn I hoped the reds would get him
This one belongs to the Reds
Yet somehow, you just knew they wouldn’t, right?
SLL
Batting .213, OPS 7.17
I hope they didn’t give up their best prospects for this. Players tend to hit worse once they get to Seattle. (See Winker, Polanco, Garver, Figgins, Hernandez, etc.)
YourDreamGM
M’s didn’t even look at his season average or ops. Gave one of their best prospects but not according to sites. They got him for a fair price.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
This is the zest I needed in my day
YourDreamGM
Zest fully clean
tbfern
We’ve lost the face of our Franchise so many times I don’t even know who to cheer for anymore lol. Longo, Kiermaier, WF, Snell & Glasnow to an extent…now Randy. Randy @ the Trop interacting with us fans in between pitches was so awesome. This one is tough. But I bet we got a haul though.
Rays in the Bay
Nope Rays FO strikes out again!
alwaysgo4two
Disappointed but not surprised. Eflin, maybe Paredes next. It’s a business. Besides I cheer for the name on the front. Randy’s a Mariner now. Good luck to him, but I’m not going to cheer for him against the Rays.
YourDreamGM
Root for the logo not the name on back. Pirates Rays are my teams. Ran just like I would do it. Obviously not as good but same plan.
Jason Hanselman
You root for the TB, same as ever. On every team, players come, players go, but with TB you never have to watch them grow old and be both worse and more expensive. It’s like having a kitten and then trading it in for a new one another every few years.
Nate Dawg79
What did Tampa Bay get in return?
vtadave
Not much
YourDreamGM
1 bag of balls and 2 buckets of gum.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Did you not read the article ?
Joemo
Astros- they article.typicallt gets updated so it starts with a quick blurb like “mariners acquiring Randy…” And then is updated with the return and some more details later.
Melchez17
I’m too lazy to read the article. Just tell us already.
Guarded Indian
It’s literally in the article.
shibbyhimmy03
I hate being a rays fan
Rays in the Bay
Me too man. Not at all impressed what they got in return
YourDreamGM
There are 29 other teams. Return was great.
Gwynning
*28
YourDreamGM
Thanks Gwynn but I meant 29 teams for the unhappy Ray’s fans to root for. Although I am all for trading with yourself. Happy for our misunderstanding though. Always great to hear from you.
Rays in the Bay
@ slap
Before or after TJS?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I guess this means so long Haniger?
Stevil
Not yet. But you can bet they’re looking for a creative bad-contract swap.
zack novotny
Stats are a little shy, he’s been lighting the ball up the last month
YourDreamGM
2 months
casualfan
Good move by the Mariners.
Of course whoever the Rays get will either OPS over .800 or have a K% of around 33% once they get them sorted out…..
YourDreamGM
Already there. Rays just need to finish the job.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
None of their top prospects wow.
YourDreamGM
Smith a 5 tool with ability to stick in cf is criminally rated a 45 by some or all sites. I don’t check them all.
Stevil
Hopkins was their best pitching prospect. This was a big return for Tampa.
BigRedMachine
That is not true!!! No way. Come on. 5-6 pitchers ranked in front of him based on what site you look at. Evans, Dillard and Phillips at the least.
Stevil
You’re looking at Pipeline. If you follow those who scout and report regularly, you’ll know he’s the pitcher Seattle was the highest on. FWIW, Fangraphs does have him as their highest-ranked pitcher.
And it should make sense. Why do you think Tampa wanted him?
But citing Dollard and Phillps…..my god! I’m sorry, neither are even close to Hopkins (or Evans, for that matter).
BigRedMachine
I am not looking at Pipeline.
mp2891
Big Red – MLB just placed Hopkins in the Rays system with his updated midseason values. He’s basically a hair away from 50FV grade based on his placement and individual tool grades. He might have been the Mariners’ top pitching prospect.
bryceharperisjusthim
Rays kinda suck ngl
Nats ain't what they used to be
Drat! Takes one team out of the Thomas market.
Mehmehmeh
Ms are not out after this. Still need more offense.
Butter Biscuits
Seems like a light return for the rays
hiflew
Arozarena was more a bigger name than a great player. He just happened to be really good during the playoffs to make everyone think he was better than he really was. Not that he is bad, by any means. He just isn’t as good as people think.
Stevil
He has a 161 wRC+ since 1 June; 125 career.
That’s pretty damn good.
hiflew
That is a cherry picked 2 month long single stat. Why should that mean anything?
He is around a 3.0 WAR player, which is a solid big league starter, but not really All Star quality. I never said he wasn’t good. I just said people overrate him based on his 2020 postseason accolades.
Stevil
Do you want three months? It’s a 140 wRC+ since 1 May.
Blackpink in the area
Player to be named later could be a good one who knows.
This one belongs to the Reds
Crash Davis.
mp2891
He would improve the Rays’ back up catcher position
Plugnplay
Tough to say right now, but the Rays do have a good eye for picking up high upside talents in trade, and working out. We’ll see in a couple years. It’s a total Rays move, dump them before they get paid big money.
YourDreamGM
Heck of return. I gave it a B. Closer to A than C. I completely forgot about the player to be named later. That’s just bonus.
FartCop
Aiden smith and Brody Hopkins aren’t real names. The Ptbnl needs to be more believable.
Senioreditor
12th & 22nd rated Mariner prospects.
Stevil
7th and 21st via Fangraphs.
24TheKid
Smith is going to quickly rise up prospect rankings.
YourDreamGM
Sites are awful. Smith one of their best prospects. 5 tool. These same sites that have him at 45 now will have him on top 100 lists eventually if things go right.
TMQ
What are you smoking? He is not even close to being one of the Mariners best prospects.
ThatsIT?
Say it with me that’s it!!!
My favourite time of the year, when fans can’t figure out why their favourite team didn’t get more for their players.
It’s because the fans don’t know the market.
Rays in the Bay
Neither do FOs. It’s always 50/50 that we base on stats. But according to stats right now, yes it’s very light return.
TheGr8One
The return is matched by the Rays obvious need to dump his money going forward. How much do you think you get dealing from desperation? League knows you’re not gonna pay him your return is a measure of that
stymeedone
The League also knows that TB is talking to 28 other teams, who will be trying to beat them to a deal. Baltimore’s farm gets more attention, but Seattle’s is higher rated. Fans have no clue how much or little the return was. Its two players you never heard of for an all star. For TB to make the trade this early, they really must like what they got.
ThatsIT?
I’ll take every gm knowing the market sense they actually do know it sense they do actually talk to the other gms and not some guy on the internet thinking he knows.
FartCop
It’s not a “thats it?” post. It’s more their names
sound like the generic computer players in videogames. Like Sleve McDichael.
Bookbook
FanGraphs loves Hopkins. They think he’s the M’s next mid-rotation stalwart. Now, the Rays.
Aidan Smith has been very impressive this year. The hit tool is the only potential weakness, but he’s done everything you’d expect en route to an eventual starting CF job in the majors.
TMQ
“done everything en route to an eventual starting CF job in the majors”? What are you even talking about he has played basically a single year of A ball lol
straightuphonestguy
Rays return doesn’t seem that impressive, but I’m just scouting the stats here. Granted, I think Arozarena is a player people tend to overrate and he’ll be getting more expensive.
LordD99
Rays have their own ranking system. They’re not always right, but high likelihood both these players will be MLB contributors.
straightuphonestguy
Yeah I’ll defer to a team with a proven record of player dev even when they diverge from industry consensus.
Rays in the Bay
When was the last time the Rays got a good prospect with a trade from the Mariners?
Stevil
Last night
User 401527550
Today
Rays in the Bay
I’ll let you know in 3-5 years if you are right
Stevil
“The Mariners landed a much-needed lineup upgrade on Thursday night..”
wayneroo
They’re both in low-A ball…kind of hard to tell at this point.
TMQ
That’s utter nonsense. There is well below a 5% chance both of these players are MLB contributors.
mp2891
Rays Mystique is strong. According to some, they win all their trades and everything they touch turns to gold.
YourDreamGM
Great return. What stats you scouting? The bat is almost a 3 4 5 guy and the arm is under 3 era more k than in. Only negative is walks.
straightuphonestguy
A 22 year old dominating A ball does not move the needle much for me. Smith looks a bit better than I first thought, but I get leery of toolsy OF types with lagging hit tools. He’s been impressive for his age/level so far. All together, seems a bit weak for 2.5 years of a 3-win LFer.
YourDreamGM
What’s 22 have to do with anything? 100 percent irrelevant. Guy wasn’t a 3 year Friday starter at a sec school. A ball is where he should be right now. If he could find the strike zone he would be a level higher by now.
straightuphonestguy
This is a semi-polished college arm, you’d expect him to translate well to A ball. It’s completely relevant; ever heard the phrase “old for his level”?
straightuphonestguy
There’s no reason to act like a smart alec. The Rays are trading away a 3-win LFer; I get that there’s salary motivation, but it feels like a light return because of the risk profile of two A-ball players.
YourDreamGM
You are almost making me feel bad. Almost. ( A lil secret, put it in here so only you can see it. I’m actually a pretty nice person, but there is no heels on this site. Tons of trolls but no heels. So I have to crank up the arrogance and snark. My devoted fans would be disappointed otherwise. You handled me well. Class act. Nothing personal just playing my role. )
Very high risk with the arm especially. No control. Needs a 3rd pitch. Outfielder much less risk but A ball so risk! But if he put up the same numbers in AA are you trading him for Randy? I ain’t. Would be difficult to trade him for anyone. I wouldn’t have traded him now but they know him better than anyone. Hopefully they seen something the Rays didn’t. So by going lower level the Rays get higher ceiling.
Ray’s aren’t trading away anything. Their goal now is to get young players playing time and better draft odds. They weren’t contending this year. Randy’s value is max right now. They couldn’t extend him. He had to be traded. Best time and apparently this was their best offer. It’s how smart teams operate and more teams are catching on. Basically it’s the right move and will soon be a known move to all but a few fan bases. It’s nothing new. Rincon for Giles for Bay. Archer for Meadows for Paredes. My 2 favorite teams have been doing it for a long time.
Rays in the Bay
This type of guy turns into the DeLuca, Keirmaier type. Fine players sure, but not exciting either
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@straightup
I’m starting to feel like I’m the only guy who agrees with you lol
alwaysgo4two
There’s so much more to Deluca than we’re seeing, he just needs more AAA work. Always seems off balance.
Jason Hanselman
It’s important to call attention to the fact that Hopkins is a converted pitcher, which both explains the somewhat delayed path to arrival (by age), but also should excite that he doesn’t have a decade of LL/Pony/HS/College coaches squeezing the sponge til nothing is left. These are interesting players who might not exactly fly through a system, but TB needs the next replacements, not the current wave.
straightuphonestguy
Good analysis. I jumped to conclusions on Smith too quickly, he’s a solid get. Hopkins’ value is more understandable, too, now that I have a bit more context of his performance coming out of college. I’m struggling with the name value of Arozarena more than the package I think; even though Arozarena is a solidly above-average bat, the glove is sub-par, so I see why the Rays would want to move him sooner rather than later (in addition to the payroll considerations).
Sorry for the late-night crabbiness. Appreciate the levity and insight in the replies.
straightuphonestguy
Thanks, this helps contextualize the prospect package. Both Hopkins and Smith have had strong performances this year; the return seems a lot more impressive now.
Rays in the Bay
@ always
That’s what they always say… Always. Then their bat never materializes. Ever. How long have we been saying that about Aranda? Or Brujan? Or JLowe? At some point we just have to accept that a bat never gets better. Yes it’s less than half a season but I just don’t think it’s gonna improve quite that much to be exciting. But I’m also just a bitter Rays fan that has been waiting for a franchise player for years.
alwaysgo4two
Have to agree, except that J Lowe started off injured, and hasn’t found his groove. Last year was not his high, there’s more to him. Maybe not this year it seems.
mp2891
Prime KK was definitely exciting.
mp2891
Rays in the Bay – I can’t follow the comment system at MLBTR. Whose bat are you looking to see improve? A.Smith’s bat? I think his bat is pretty darn good and I’m excited to see him develop further.
Rays in the Bay
D@ mp
efensively yes. Offensively, I had to close my eyes. I will say he came up big at times, but offensively he was just fine. On today’s roster though, he’d slot in the lineup as the cleanup!
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@ mp
The original comment was about prospects being fine but not exciting. Same as KK and DeLuca.
The bat never materializes comment was about DeLuca specifically.
cr4
Wow not the best return considering the marlins got a border line top 100 guy for AJ Puk. That ptbnl has to be somebody significant maybe someone from this years draft in a sort of Trea Turner to the Nats way?
straightuphonestguy
Teams can’t trade their draftees until a year after their contract was signed to prevent the Trea Turner situation from happening again.
YourDreamGM
Great return and Marlins didn’t get anyone who sniffs the top 100 or even top 200. Rays got a guy making a run at top 100 though. Other kid has a chance too but not there yet.
Rally Goose
Using recent draftees as PTBNL’s is not allowed! It literally says that in the article! Did you actually READ?
lowtalker1
Doesn’t matter the return, it’s the rays, they find ways to fleece all trades minus like 2
YourDreamGM
M’s are well aware what they gave up. Heavy price to pay but a fair trade. Win win.
TMQ
Lol just stop with your nonsense. It’s honestly a sad look at this point.
TAKERDBACKS
I was waiting for the dodgers to get him.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
According to Ken Rosenthal, Rangers are in talks With Rays for Yandy Diaz.
mp2891
That would be odd with him away from the team and on the restricted list.
User 401527550
It’s not a punitive restrictive list. It’s for personal reasons.
mp2891
I understand that. But we don’t know when he’s returning or even if he’s returning this year.
User 401527550
Look at that. He’s already reinstated.
Rays in the Bay
Can everyone please understand how much it sucks to be a Rays fan? We got two players we will maybe see 3 years later if they make it that far. God I hate being a Rays fan. A teardown was necessary but was at least hoping for a catching prospect…
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Yandy to Texas next
mp2891
Yandy is on the restricted list for reasons unknown. I can’t see him being traded.
User 401527550
Could be a family member is sick. Your letting the term restrictive list get in your head too much.
alwaysgo4two
They’re not paying him. Seems more involved than a family issue.
mp2891
No I understand the issue. What I don’t know is whether Yandy is coming back this year. Rays might not know either.
YourDreamGM
Contending almost every year must suck.
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@yourdream
It does when you know it never goes anywhere when the big boys come to town.
Or when you know you can never keep good talent
Or when you can never draft a franchise player
Yay, I can watch them win in the regular season and still trade guys performing because Arb. Yay.
Yeah I’m not a Marlins fan or A’s fan or Rockies fan or Angels fan… But being a Rays fan sucks, trust me.
mp2891
Bad take. Rays aren’t doing a tear down. They traded Randy because their payroll was the highest it had ever been, he was getting expensive and his trade value would be a lot lower in the offseason, Palacios has played really well this year, and the Rays felt they got good value for him. I hope they trade Rosario, Eflin, and one or both of Adam and Fairbanks next. That still won’t mean the Rays are engaged in a tear down though.
Rays in the Bay
What would you consider to be a teardown?
They will trade their ‘ace’ in Eflin and biggest personality in Arozarena. To be fair, no other team wants Siri or Jackson or Caballero so of course a complete teardown is impossible. There wasn’t much to teardown in the first place but the players you mentioned would certainly be in teardown territory. If they traded Yandy and BLowe would you consider it a teardown?
mp2891
I view tear downs in context. Trading Civale, Eflin and Littell doesn’t equal a tear down because the Rays have so many pitchers returning from IL. Rays enter next year with a rotation of Bradley, Pepiot, Springs, Baz, and McClanahan. They have Rasmussen as depth or as high leverage relief. They have plenty of pitching prospects moving from AA to AAA who might serve as depth next year (no top line starters though). The Pen is already in the process of being revamped. Sterner, Uceta and Rodriguez look like future mainstays in the Pen. Ras probably joins them, particularly if Adam and/or Fairbanks get moved. So the smart move in my opinion is to move another 2-3 pitchers because of the depth coming back. As for the bats, well what I can say, the Rays might be in a transition year next year. They won’t have a strong group of position players so long as Jackson is at catcher and Walls is at SS. Fortunately, C.Williams looks like a stud to be at SS and I could see Keegan working out at catcher. Anyway, that’s a long winded way of saying that if the Rays trade Littell, Adam, Fairbanks, Diaz, and Rosario, I won’t view it as a tear down despite the number of players getting moved.
You’re totally wrong on Siri and Cabby of course. A lot of teams have much worse players at key positions.
YourDreamGM
I like the Rays and Pirates because they trade arb players all the time. It’s the smart thing to do. Pirates a lil better because they extend more guys and that’s it. Extend or trade. You can’t lose players with no return. If you a true world series contender you might bite the bullet and settle for a comp pick but only if for some reason the trade offers were weak.
Eflin cost real $. They could simply spend his savings and replace him. Replace Randy with a platoon.
Teams would want Siri. Pirates would like him in cf.
Rays in the Bay
So the rotation will be strong. That’s fine. The rotation wasn’t bad this year either outside of a few implosive players. That’s not the problem.
Offense offense offense. How many AAA players do you think will come up and perform? The Rays specifically keep offensively gifted players down because their defense is sub-par. They don’t even give guys like Mangum a chance because his defensive issues. Do they have (or allow) good offensive players on the roster?
Sorry. I meant contending teams. Contending teams wouldn’t want Siri or Cabby. If they did, I’m sure they would have already been traded.
YourDreamGM
Pirates are contenders and not the only team that would be interested. Teams already locked into a spot would take Siri just for defense. Pirates and probably others he starts.
Jason Hanselman
On the plus side you never have to see Randy in LF ever again. I enjoyed him, my only son got his middle name from Randy, but while the sun also rises, it sets just as often. Close one chapter and start a new one.
Russell Branyan
That return seems light, do teams still have top prospects get selected as a PTBNL? D
I wonder if it could be someone close to/in the back end of the Mariners rotation, and the Rays agreed to wait until after the season, not depleting their depth for the playoff push
YourDreamGM
Great return as named. Ptbnl can be any degree of prospect. Just not one taken in 2024 draft.
Simm
Yourdream- is it your goal to say it’s a good trade over and over again to counter the 10’s of people saying it’s light.
YourDreamGM
No but it should be. I only replied to random comments. I am sure I missed some. If the stove is cold might have to come back here.
ohyeadam
Can teams agree on PTBNL based on the performance of the player traded? If plays well they get player A if poorly player B.
YourDreamGM
Yes. Can agree to just about anything. It’s usually a team needs more time to scout so they agree on a few guys and team can look into them better. Or Seattle may have another trade working and you can have this guy if that trade falls through or if not this guy.
Smokey the bear
Didn’t give up too much, though Aiden was a good high school hitter. Trade rarely work for hitters and adding 1 or 2 won’t make a difference. Don’t trade any of the top 7-8 prospects, there not to far off to the big league
YourDreamGM
What it was a good trade!!!! Right underneath my notification reply. Why do the gods tempt me like this!!!!!!
Good trade
It was a good trade!!!!
Domingo111
I’m surprised the rays are selling so low on arozarena, smith and Hopkins are pretty bad prospects (smith is ranked 21 in the system by fangraphs and strikes out a ton, Hopkins is solid but will be a reliever).
Seems the rays wanted to clear the salary and roster spot and aren’t optimistic for a bounce back and selling higher in the off season
Russell Branyan
Randy has been crushing for awhile after a slow start. I don’t think this is selling low. My guess is they either are higher on Smith & Hoskins than most, or that PTBNL is 1 of Seattle’s starters/Logan Evans, and Seattle wants to wait as long as possible in case of injury
TheGr8One
If the PTBNL was going to be a Mariners starter as you suggest he wouldn’t be the PTBNL he’d be headlining this deal and one of these kids would be PTBNL. You’re kidding yourself big time if you think PTBNL is anything but a 30-50 ranked prospect in Seattles system. Tampa will get a list of players to pick from and they will take one and no Seattle starters will be on said list
mp2891
That is most likely true, but I wonder if M.Brash is eligible to be the PTBNL. He’s not technically on the 40 man right now.
EddieO
Players on the 60 day IL are still counted as being on the 40 man roster for purposes like this. While on the MLB 60 IL you still accrue service time as you are still part of that pool, they just don’t count towards a spot because of injury. This is also why at the conclusion of the season, regardless of injury status, player on the 60 day IL has to be transferred back to the active 40 man and count as a spot. They can be placed on IL in the spring again. For trade purposes though, a 60 day IL player counts as a rostered player and is not eligible to be on a PTBNL list.
When they changed how the PTBNL stuff worked, as it was so whack at one point a player once traded for a PTBNL ended up being the player named, they now have to submit a list of players who can be the player named. Sometimes the list is short, sometimes long, but it’s used to prevent the Trea Turner incident from happening again. Turner was famously the PTBNL in a trade between the Padres and Nationals, but since he was still in the time period of not allowed to be traded after being drafted, he had to be a PTBNL until the 1 year expired even though everyone under the sun knew he was the PTBNL.
Long and the short of it, Brash, nor Woo nor Hancock, nor any 2024 draftee, etc is on that list.
mp2891
Ok then. Farmelo it is.
EddieO
The PTBNL later can’t be any of the Mariners starters, as they are all on the 40 man roster. PTBNL can no longer (and it’s been this way for a while) anyone on 40 man (including 60 day IL guys), anyone drafted in the 2024 draft and anyone signed in 2024 from the international draft class. The article mentions the 40 man exclusion.
YourDreamGM
Sold high. Couldn’t have done much better. Fangraphs is clueless. Smith is a top 10 system prospect.
mp2891
Fangraphs isn’t the only prospect rating system in town, and they are often wrong on players. MLB views A.Smith as having plus defense (60 arm, 60 speed, and 55 fielding) with the potential for an above average bat and 60 grade power. He’s raw and in the low minors, but he’s definitely not a bad prospect. I’m less excited about Hopkins, but Smith was someone I wanted the Rays to acquire if they traded anyone to Seattle this year.
User 401527550
Fangraphs doesn’t even have scouts that grade players. They go off of others grades. They would be the last people I would use.
Simm
Fangraphs seem to love stat cast numbers. High velo, high swing an miss, stuff like that. Which usually means better potential for high upside. Though throwing strikes and making contact as a hitter end up being the death to a lot of these type of players.
alwaysgo4two
Seems low now to some. The Rays have good scouting. They picked up a relatively unknown prospect a few years ago from Cleveland. His name was Caminero.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Aiden Smith interesting. Not sure when he’ll join the team but maybe when the Rays are better a few years from now.
YourDreamGM
2027.
mp2891
Rays will probably surprise you next year then. Their pitching struggled this year with McClanahan, Rasmussen, Springs, and Baz on the shelf from TJS (Ras had a brace procedure). Add those guys to emerging stars Taj Bradley and Ryan Pepiot, and the Rays’ rotation will be very good next year. Rays could afford to trade Randy. The drop off from Randy’s performance (2.5 to 3.0 fWAR) to his replacement (Palacios – worth 2+ fWAR) isn’t going to be that big a deal and they’ll be able to use his 2025 salary (probably around $12-15MM) for other upgrades. Rays aren’t rebuilding.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Rays starting 5 next year will be similar to Seattle’s starting 5
alwaysgo4two
They can’t afford to lose more bats. Their offense is pitiful with the likes of Walls, Deluca, and Jackson getting steady playing time.
mp2891
That’s why they should have traded Aroz last offseason. The holes in the field and at the plate required time to fix. C.Williams is a year away at SS. Keegan or Driscoll or someone else will fill the catcher spot at some point, but clearly not this year. Even with their holes, the Rays were almost a playoff team this year. With the pitching they have coming back, my money is on them being a playoff team next year. .
texasguscc
PTBNL probably is a recent draft pick and cannot be traded until the off season
Russell Branyan
Recent draft picks cannot be selected as PTBNL. Trea Turner rule
Rally Goose
Using recent draftees as PTBNL’s is not allowed! It literally says that in the article! Did you actually READ?
BasedBall
2 low level lotto tickets and a PTBNL? That can’t be it, the Marlins got more for Puk
YourDreamGM
Nothing lotto about them. 2 of the best prospects you can get that aren’t on a top 100 list. Arm is a lot further down than bat but definitely better than a lotto ticket.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Unexpected but good for the M’s!
Luke Strong
I can’t believe Tampa gave him away for nothing like this. A 4th and 6th round draft pick and a throw-in later… he still has two full years of control. What a steal by Seattle.
SoCalBrave
nah, he’ll be non-tendered by the M’s next year.
Then he’ll sign elsewhere and find his swing again
YourDreamGM
Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick.
TheGr8One
People will stop stealing from Tampa when the whole world stops knowing they don’t pay players. The players know it, all the league knows it even the fans of teams other than the Rays know it. This is the return you get when you force your own hand. I will say Tampa recognizes talent far better than most organizations and while I’m a Mariner fan and I don’t know a ton about these kids you can be sure the Tampa front office likes something in them.
Jason Hanselman
If you think it is difficult to replace a player, imagine how hard it is when you get nothing for them or whatever they return as a rental.
alwaysgo4two
Years of control sounds good to most teams. Not the Rays. They don’t like the arbitration process, cost them $$$.
Jason Hanselman
I’m guessing you and logic had a falling out and you never swallowed your pride to say you were sorry. TB wants all the years of control they can get to scoop as much cream as possible before trading the player with 2+ years left to get the next wave of replacements somewhere else on the roster. It has worked pretty well over the last 15+ years.
alwaysgo4two
That comment makes no sense if you’re replying to mine. Once the arb process gets expensive, the player is shopped. If you’re a Rays fan, you should know that. Me and logic are good friends, thanks.
Jason Hanselman
So you need players with as many years of control as possible so you can get multiple years of performance before trading them with 2+ years when you still get a good return because they aren’t a rental, but still hold appeal to acquiring team based on the good performance your team reaped to build the case. This isn’t hard. If you want to keep replenishing the pipeline you have to trade players when they are desirable. Acquiring as many years as possible gives more opportunity for player to develop into somebody who can contribute while there and bring back a replacement elsewhere once his time left with club narrows. You are saying the Rays don’t want years of control because of the arbitration process, which is illogical. I can only assume that English is not your first language and you don’t actually understand what you are saying.
lovableschmuck
Maybe now the Mariners might be able to avoid a sweep by the League worst White Sox this weekend!
SodoMojo90
Aidan Smith is a decent prospect and may be a top prospect at some point but this feels like a steal. Didn’t have to give up any top prospects.
dshires4
Yeah. I really like Aidan Smith but this feels like robbery if he is the main piece going back to Tampa.
YourDreamGM
Smith is a top prospect. Being low level makes him tradable but if I was a M’s fan I wouldn’t be happy. Got a much needed impact player but paid the max amount of prospects to get. Happy to get Randy sure but sick to stomach to give up Smith.
Rsox
.213 BA, 100 strikeouts already and power that may not play in Seattle. At least it only cost a pair of minor leaguers
mp2891
This is a bad hot take. Randy started the year with a bulked up frame and adjusted swing and he hit poorly as a result (37 wRC+). Since May 1st, Randy has hit .247/.363/.472 (143 wRC+). He’s easily the Mariners’ best hitter right now.
Second, is 100 strikeouts a magic number or something? You’re the 2nd person to mention it. Without knowing the total number of PAs, knowing the number of Ks is meaningless. Randy is striking out at a 24..8% rate this year, which is just fine for a batter with his profile. Teams worry at 30%, not below 25%.
Rsox
The strikeouts are concerning when going to a much more free swinging lineup in Seattle. The Mariners lead the world in strikeouts by a pretty wide margin and adding another strikeout prone bat after getting rid of a strikeout prone bat.
I hope it works for them. I’ve seen enough Arozarena’s games against the Sox to know Seattle is getting a fun player when he’s going good
mp2891
You can’t blame Randy for Seattle’s roster construction. At least they are trying to make the team better, and they are definitely better with Randy on the roster.
YourDreamGM
B for Tampa. About as good as they could do. I got Smith at 50 and plus. Want to move him to 55 so bad but need to see a bit more. 5 tool player. Good chance to stick in center and at worse is plus plus in a corner. Hopkins I have at 45 plus. All comes down to control. If he finds it he is a easy 50. Plenty of time to develop. Does have reliever risk but again lots of time. Good trade to reload the farm up.
Seattle gets a C. Randy has found his stroke. Huge needle moving impact. He will get expensive but Rays expensive, Mariners can handle it. Smith is a big loss but they have outfield depth and they found him so they can find another one day. Excellent scouting work. Hopkins even easier to replace. Can draft 1 or 2 of him every year. He needs lots of development and has such a huge variable. This is the prospect type you trade. Little painful losing Smith but a trade you make.
Moneyballer
I dislike your take on this. Mariners get a solid A on this. Arozarena turns the page on his worst season as a pro, gets a new start on a team that needs him. They gave away practically nothing for the opportunity. He can make a real impact for the M’s. Rays sold as low as you can on an overall good player. The return will never replace what they gave away. If we’re talking about money….his future contract value is at its lowest point its ever been. Rays get a D.
YourDreamGM
Fair enough and expected. I’m a love hate member. You either love my analysis and persona and want to hear what my take it or you hate me being right so much and mute me. Massive respect for not muting me.
Rays aren’t contending this year so Randy only hurts them. Why pay his salary and get a worse draft pick odds? They tried to extend him and he wasn’t interested. His trade value will never be higher. Easy trade. They can replace him next year. Probably not all the way but close enough. They got a 5 tool outfield prospect and a easy plus arm. Lots of development to be done but lots of room for development. It’s either extend or trade for a small market. They had to trade Randy. Respect your opinion and appreciate the reply.
mp2891
Rays get a D? Not sure I see that unless you’re only looking at the players in the here and now and ignoring what they’ll become. Smith has potential to be a 5 tool player. Maybe he doesn’t become that, but he’s got potential. Hopkins has a good FB/Slider and has time to work on a 3rd pitch and better control. The return is a little light with what we know, but the PTBNL could be a real asset. Shane Baz, as a 1st round draft pick, was once a PTBNL for the Rays. We will see…. But ultimately, the Rays are trading a player who they probably trade in the offseason anyway because of salary and because Palacios has looked very good as a Randy replacement this year. Rays may not have maximized Randy’s trade value, but they made the move that will benefit their team in the future.
Jason Hanselman
I’m unsure how he’s going to turn the page when he’s going from the second worst place to hit to the absolute worst place to hit.
Moneyballer
They sold so low on Arozarena. Not a great return. Very unlike the Rays to do this.
yeasties
Agree that it really seems like a light return.
It might be a case of future considerations or gentlemen’s agreements from prior trades factoring into it. They have made so many trades together before.
alwaysgo4two
Have you ever heard of Tobias Myers? The Rays sent him to Cleveland for an unknown prospect to many. Junior Caminero. He’s baseballs #2 prospect. They traded Kyle Manzardo to Cleveland because they have a very promising 1b prospect lighting it up in the minors. Xavier Isaac.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
WOW WE UNDERPAYED AND PAID OFF
TRADER JERRY FOR THE WIN
Blackpink in the area
Perhaps the return for Arozarena was a bit light but we don’t know who the PTBNL is. And Arozarena was getting expensive. Certainly like this deal for the Mariners so far.
mikefetters
To all the Ray’s fans posting that this is a light return, it’s a lot better than it looks. Those farm system rankings are out of date. Hopkins is currently ranked 7th-10th depending on who you ask and Smith is about 10 as well. And you have to take into consideration that the Mariners have the 2nd or 3rd best system. So 10th in our system would be 5th or 6th in a lot of others.
mp2891
All true. I’m a fan of Smith. The return is still light though. Hopefully that PTBNL is M.Brash. That’d be awesome for the Rays.
A-A-Ron
Willing to guess that in spring training next year Smith will be a #7-10 prospect in the Rays system with Hopkins 12-16. Good trade for both. I love the thought of adding one more bat and a reliever ASAP without touching the current top 8 prospects. Maybe Mountcastle and Finnegan ?
mp2891
I could see that too. Smith is a stud in waiting.
SadMsFan
Rays fans, lemme give it to you this way. Arozarena did alright from the 2020 postseason till last year…kinda. He already has struck out 100 times this year, and his strikeout numbers have always been high. He’s pretty much a faster version of Mitch Haniger. I hope Arozarena makes me eat my words, but the Rays got a couple pretty solid prospects for a guy they arguably should have just released. I agree with Alex Rodriguez when he was on 710 ESPN radio about a week ago. Batting average used to matter more. There was a time where if you were hitting below .250, you weren’t on a Major League roster, at least not as a serious contributor to the team. Arozarena is hitting way under league average and coming onto a team full of players who already can’t hit the backside of a barn and deserve to be dumped like they did with France, and should probably be firing front office staff and coaches, especially Servais, Hollander and Dipoto.
Initial grades:
-Rays actually score some solid prospects for a guy who can’t hit anymore. A
-Mariners acquire a bum rental you now should just release, and why not acquire Paredes to make this an even deal? D-
mp2891
This is a bad hot take. Randy started the year with a bulked up frame and adjusted swing and he hit poorly as a result (37 wRC+). Since May 1st, Randy has hit .247/.363/.472 (143 wRC+). He’s easily the Mariners’ best hitter right now.
Second, talking about batting average alone ignores the fact that teams long ago determined that a player is more valuable with a hit/power mix that relies more on power than batting average in years past. Show me a team today with 9 bats hitting .250 and SLG under ..400 and that team will probably struggle to score runs.
What is the point of posting “He already has struck out 100 times this year, and his strikeout numbers have always been high.” other than to paint Randy in a false and misleading light? Without knowing how many PAs Randy has, the total number of Ks is meaningless. Randy is striking out at a 24..8% rate this year, which is just fine for a batter with his profile. Teams worry at 30%, not below 25%.
I thought the Rays should trade Randy, and I like A.Smith quite a lot. The PTBNL will determine how good this trade is for the Rays. Personally, I’m hoping it’s M.Brash, but it’s probably just a throw-in. Mariners got a lot better today and the Rays clearly told the league they were open for business at the Deadline (which they should be with where they’re at in the playoff race (ie: 4 games back, behind 3 teams (all of whom will be buyers at the Deadline), and having the hardest remaining strength of schedule in baseball). I don’t think the Rays will win more than 10 games in August when they play only playoff likely teams (other than the A’s) and take their annual West Coast trip that usually is bad for W-L.
its_happening
If Arozarena is the Mariners best hitter right now, that is a major problem. That means the Mariners need another 2-3 bats if they expect to make noise.
mp2891
You have to start somewhere.
Rays in the Bay
Solid but still in high A ball and have as much time to blow out an arm or strain a quad. Arozarena has a slow start and gained more traction recently. He’s always been a high strikeout guy but he also shows some plate discipline unlike Jose Siri and the other OFers. The return is very light and really depends on that PTBNL. Rays C Mariners B
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Disingenuous post. “Sad M’s Fan” yeah right. Please no more performance art from you.
SoCalBrave
@SadMsFan you lost your argument as soon as you said you agreed with A-Rod and that you listen to ESPN radio
Karensjer
God I hate being Rays fan almost as much as I hate cheap ass $ternberg
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
The stove is hot….
Zippy the Pinhead
Okay, Jerry and Justin, that’s one. Next, pick up Tanner Scott (and maybe Chisholm and Bell) from the Marlins and Luis Robert from the White Sox. Only if you want to make the playoffs this year, of course. Tell ownership their profits (#1 in MLB) might have to take a hit for the sake of winning.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yup need two more hitters (at least) and a backend reliever and then we’ll see what happens.
This one belongs to the Reds
Ugh. Reds fail again.
Johnny utah
Will always remember arozarena 2020 playoffs, amazing
Even deal. Aidan has lots of talent, i fully expect rays to tap into his full potential. Randy’s got 2.5 yrs left with m’s
jbigz12
Not a ton of surplus value on Arozarena’s final year arb price either. He’s already at $8MM with 2 more trips through. You’re looking at $20MM+ for that year.
alwaysgo4two
…. and that’s exactly why he was shopped. Expensive arbitration.
bravesfan
Good return for Arozarena considering just how bad he has been this year. Could look like a steal if he stays with the M’s and returns to form at all
mp2891
Bravesfan – Randy returned to form long ago. He’s hitting 140 wRC+ since May 1st.
mlbnyyfan
I think it’s a great trade for Seattle. I don’t think TB got enough, but TB knows what they are doing and always wins the trade. Unlike my team during trades.
Old York
Mariners need to trade for Vlad Jr.
BigRedMachine
Yes and they have the prospects to get him. That would be wonderful. Fills so many holes.
Old York
@BigRedMachine
I think it’s a great fit. The M’s have one of the top farm systems in the game and Toronto is near the bottom so they could recoup some much needed top prospects in return for Vlad Jr.
Also adds some much needed power to the middle of the lineup and fills a big void at 1B. It just makes sense.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Blue Jays need to sign Vladdy to an extension as their only exciting player by a long shot.
Old York
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Given that they haven’t bothered to do so up to now, I doubt he’s extended. His value is now too high. If they were serious about it, they should have offered it 2 years ago. He’s either being traded next year or just walking. It would be a terrible idea to let him walk. They need to be more like the Nationals in trading Soto and get some value in return.
BigRedMachine
You never know how prospects are going to turn out but to get a proven MLB hitter who you have club control over do the next two years and who at times has been elite for two prospects ranked #15 and #22 at Single A is a no brainer for the M’s. Nice trade Jerry and Justin. The Mariners have six hitters in the Baseball America Top 100 and it seems like there is the ability to get one or even two more bats. I still would like them to attempt to get Ryan McMahon and I feel like Vlad Guerrrro can be had for the right price. Maybe they are in on Tanner Scott and Jazz Chisholm? At least one more trade needs to occur.
msqboxer
Great trade for Seattle, but don’t underestimate the return Tampa is getting back. They have a history of identifying undervalued prospects and turning them into MLB starters.
Captain K-Mid
Classic Florida baseball team move. Trade your best players for middling prospects just to save a few $$$. The Marlins and Rays owners already have the best tax situation, and they still treat their teams as cash cows instead of trying to win. Still remember the Marlins immediately tearing down after winning the World Series twice. Embarrassing.
ChuckyNJ
Miami had a good thing going last year but derped it away, starting by forcing out their resourceful GM Kim Ng. Tampa Bay are sliding out of contention so it made sense to cash in with an eye to 2025.
BTW, Arozarena gets one more opportunity to be a Yankee-killer when the Bronx Bombers visit Seattle in mid-September.
ccahoe02
I’m not going to pretend I know either of these prospects but don’t forget there is also a PTBNL involved. I know Shane Baz was the PTBNL in the archer trade and wasn’t Arozarena the PTBNL in the José Martinez deal?? Either way hard to fully evaluate the trade until we find out who that is
YourDreamGM
Good trade. Good prospects.
YourDreamGM
Good trade
Roughed Odor
.211 batting average?
msqboxer
Several reasons for for the PTBNL scenario. The Rays have identified a small group that the Mariners have agreed too and the Rays are just waiting to see what other assets they pick up at the trade deadline before they chose.. Other scenario would be if the player was just drafted they have to wait until the conclusion of the World Series I believe before they can announce it.
Jason Hanselman
Good point on seeing where the other chips fall. Randy wasn’t the most likely to be traded mostly due to the situation of others, and when that dust settles TB will have more info on who fits best from their list.
Rally Goose
Using recent draftees as PTBNL’s is not allowed! It literally says that in the article! Did you actually READ?
mp2891
Most likely reason is (a) they are choosing among a small group of far off prospects in the DSL and they don’t have detailed reports on them yet, or (b) they are interested in someone with medical issues (e.g., Farmelo, Brash, etc) and they want more information. Reports are circulating that the PTBNL is a real player and not a far off DSL guy. Farmelo or Brash would make this trade look a lot better for the Rays.
Rally Goose
But we 100% know it’s not a 2024 draftee.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Tampa has found real gems before but this seems like a light haul on paper for Arozarena, especially when offense is such a premium this season.
bseblfevr
Fits right in…another .211 hitter on the decline.
Spaced-Cowboy
He has a great signature 🙂
Sk8
Good move for the Mariners. Just hope that Arozarena’s power doesn’t go flat in Seattle, as most of their offensive acquisitions tend to do.
CATS44
Arozarena is a hell of a hitter with a career 125 wRC+…and extremely consistent year to year. He gives his team 20 HR and 20 SBs every year, and an XBH every ten at bats. Hes has been one of the top 30 or so hitters since reaching the Bigs.
Not much defensively, though.
The return seems fairly light, and certainly a similar package would have been affordable to many buying teams.
Smith is far from a 5 tool player. Poor hit and power tools, high K rate for low mi
nors.
Hopkins looks like a decent prospect, but the high walk rates that plagued him in college have to get fixed, or he will be a reliever.
fljay73
Not lately. He had 16HRs by the Allstar break last season. About 4 afterwards. Terrible April & May with 8HRs (only positive). Even with a stronger June & July his average only went up about 60pts. HRs since June is under April/May output. His current average is around .215
Randy had a lot of 0-3 or 0-4 games.
Brandon’s average is about a .250 with him getting hotter as well lately.
mp2891
50 grade hit and power tools are average and Smith has real potential to develop his bat into something special. He’s not striking out even 25% of the time, so I don’t know why you think he has a K problem. He’s a really good prospect.
hllywdjff
One bat down 2 more to go! Vlad and Jazz
mp2891
LOL… Jazz doesn’t have a bat.
shortstop09
Great move and still held on to their 6 in the top 100. Get India and Mountcastle
puhl
He’s batting .211 and strikes out almost 30% of the time. Seattle didn’t improve much.
JoeBrady
Nice trade both ways.
GoGreen
Arozarena and Adolis in the same division?! Will be great fun to see these two friends competing on the same field.
SweetLouGrit253
Sweet!!! M’s now heading to Chicago to pick up our future Left fielder, La Pantera. Be awesome to see the trade happen before the series is over!
shibbyhimmy03
Could the PTBNL be one of there too prospects
Rally Goose
PSA: THe PTBNL can NOT be one of their 2024 draftees. The Trea Turner rule specifically forbids it. And no *wink wink* under the table agreements to make a “separate unrelated trade” of Jurrangelo Cijntje to the Rays for a non-prospect in the offseason either.
Mike56
Cards could have used him. Maybe could have traded a young pitcher. Somebody like Matthew Libertore
good vibes only
Good move for this year and next year. Love me some Randyland.
Only 6 more below average regulars to replace. This lineup is still dog water, Jerry!
SeattleKurt
Sorry, I just don’t get how this is that big an improvement. “He’s hitting .211/.318/.394 with 15 homers through 409 plate appearances” AND has over 100 Ks. How is that “a major boost for a Seattle lineup that has hit .216/.298/.362”
I get it didn’t take any of the M’s top prospects, but the two guys going to TB aren’t exactly a bag of balls and we’ll have to see what the PTBNL ends up being.
Sure feels like a “see fans?! WE DID SOMETHING” type of move.
SweetLouGrit253
He’s been hitting .290/.402/.517 (.920 OPS) since June 1st and we have him for 2 more seasons after 2024. Yeah, it helps… ALOT!
mp2891
Look at Randy’s stats since May 1st. You’ll be happier.
JoeBrady
I think you need to look at his most recent work compared to his history.
His past three years, he has a consistent .792 OPs/124 OPS+.
This year, Thru May, he had a .568 OPS but with a .186 BABIP. Since the end of May, he has a .903 OPS with a .324 BABIP.
In short, there is every reason to think he will project to an .800 OPS.
Zippy the Pinhead
Next up: Tanner Scott from the Marlins and one among the following Luis Robert, Jr. (obviously), Josh Bell, Brent Rooker, Isaac Paredes. I just don’t think Vladdy’s on the market for some reason.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Nice move for the M’s here. Had to snag him before the Dodgers did and they made it happen.
CATS44
Smith has a 20/40 hit tool and 20/40 game power to go with 40/50 raw power.
His K rate is exactly 25%, which is high for a low minors hitter. High K rates at the lower levels is one of the, if not the, biggest red flags a young prospect can have. The pitching doesn’t get worse as the levels get higher.
Maybe the PTBNL ends up being the biggest part of the package, but if not, IMO its a light return for 2.5 years of Arozarena.
YaGottaBelieve
Awesome pick up by Jerry. A solid OF in Arozarena, Julio and Robles/Raley. Now if they could just land Vlad it would be their best deadline ever!