White Sox right-hander Erick Fedde has been connected to plenty of teams in the run-up to this summer’s trade deadline, including the Brewers and Astros, but no team has been more frequently connected to the right-hander than the Cardinals. The club’s “strong interest” in the 2023 KBO MVP’s services was reported last week, and since then multiple reports have connected Fedde to St. Louis as the Cards scour the market for an affordable starting pitching option to bolster their current rotation of Sonny Gray, Lance Lynn, Kyle Gibson, Miles Mikolas, and Andre Pallante.
The fit between St. Louis and Fedde is a fairly obvious one given the club’s uncertain rotation situation headed into 2025 and Fedde’s additional year of team control after 2024. Even setting the contractual fit aside, the right-hander sports a strong 3.11 ERA and 3.76 FIP in 21 starts with Chicago this year. If Fedde were in the St. Louis rotation with those numbers, he’d have the lowest ERA by more than half a run and the second-lowest FIP behind only Sonny Gray’s sterling 2.85 figure. With the Cardinals just one game back of a Wild Card spot and six games behind the Brewers in the NL Central, the addition of Fedde would not only help them as they look to return to the postseason after a last place finish in their division last year but would also give the club a solid front-of-the-rotation arm to start alongside Gray in a potential Wild Card series.
Clear as the fit between the Cardinals and Fedde may be, there appear to be some hurdles preventing a deal from coming together for the time being. With so many potential suitors for his services, the White Sox appear to have set a hefty asking price in trade for the 31-year-old. According to SoxMachine’s James Fegan, the South Siders have “at least tried” to include young outfielder Jordan Walker in trade talks with the Cardinals regarding Fedde. St. Louis’s first-round pick in the 2020 draft, Walker was a consensus top-5 prospect in the sport prior to the 2023 campaign but has struggled somewhat at the big league level so far.
The youngster hit a solid but unspectacular .276/.342/.445 in his rookie season last year and was optioned back to the minor leagues back in April after an abysmal .155/.239/.259 showing in his first 20 games this season. Since returning to Triple-A, Walker has continued to struggle as he’s hit just .237/.305/.372 in 295 trips to the plate at the level this year. Despite those deep struggles, however, Walker is still just one season removed from being an above-average hitter in the big leagues, won’t be a free agent until after the 2029 season, and is still very young at just 22 years old. That’s an incredibly steep price to pay for one-plus years of a starting pitcher, even one as talented as Fedde.
Given there’s no indication that the Cardinals have been at all receptive to including Walker in a Fedde deal, it seems as though the sides may be facing a gap in trade talks. Even if that’s the case, though, that doesn’t necessarily mean a deal sending Fedde to St. Louis couldn’t eventually come together. As noted by Ari Alexander of KPRC-2, the White Sox and Cardinals have “discussed” the potential framework of a three-team trade that would also involve the Dodgers. Los Angeles is known to have interest in Cardinals switch-hitting utilityman Tommy Edman, and The Athletic’s Katie Woo reported earlier today that St. Louis is hoping to acquire cost-controlled starting pitching in return for Edman.
That would make a hypothetical three-team trade in which the Cardinals acquire Fedde from the White Sox while giving up Edman to the Dodgers seemingly reasonable framework, although it’s unclear whether the Cardinals would have to part with more pieces than just Edman to make the deal work, nor is it clear which pieces the Dodgers would ship to Chicago to complete their end of the bargain. Speculatively speaking, if the White Sox were interested in acquiring Walker as the centerpiece of a deal for Fedde, the Dodgers could dangle a young hitter of their own such as James Outman or Miguel Vargas as a centerpiece for their part of the trade.
Alexander reports that no deal between the sides is in place as things stand, but the discussions seem to confirm a willingness to get creative on the part of all sides as the Cardinals continue their pursuit of pitching upgrades while the Dodgers look to lengthen a lineup that has lost key pieces like Mookie Betts, Max Muncy, and Miguel Rojas to injury, leaving them with well below average production in the back half of their lineup.
Make it happen
As a White Sox fan, I just want them to do *something.*
I could see Walker being a good fit in Chicago if kept at 1B
Absolutely not. They need 2B, OF prospects and of course pitching since you can never have too many pitching. The last thing the Wsox need is another 1B and or DH only players. Vaughn, Sheets(who should be removed from OF), Elko are all 1B/DH players.
None of those are long term solutions at 1B. ChiSox could absolutely use a bona fide 1B prospect
If the 1B prospect has power and pop(like Elko) then I’m ok getting another power bat whether it’s at 1B or 2B(the position not named OF they need prospects badly).
Sheets should probably be released at this point. Vaughn is possibly playing himself out of a future role as well. Elko did okay at AA and is just getting to AAA now but he’s closer to a fringe prospect than he is a sure big league contributor.
The White Sox need as many power bats as they can get right now and will probably have as many as 5 to 6 starting lineup openings next season. They can take a 1b/DH type if he can actually hit.
True but I want the Wsox to avoid 1B/DH. If I were the Wsox, I would still put Vaughn at 1B and Sheets at DH. I rather not rush Elko tbh(was promoted to AAA today btw) Sheets shouldn’t touch the grass and I feel Sheets can be a better hitter if he’s just sticks to being 1B/DH.
Whatever happened to my boy Oscar Colas??? Is he ever going to be a guy?
Unfortunately, he was rushed bc the Wsox refused to spend big on RF thus he lost his prospect status.
We’re over a 1000 AB’s into Sheets MLB career and he’s just not a MLB starter. He’s a below average defender at all positions. He’s not a good enough hitter to DH full time. On any reasonable team he’s a non-tender this off-season.
Vaughn is a replacement level 1b at this point. He’s not the worst but ideally they should aim higher.
As for Elko, let’s wait and see but I’m not counting on him anytime soon.
Sheets had a great start to the season, which was playing DH while Eloy was injured. Had an OPS of close to 800 and taking walks like a champ.
He had 1 hot month. Since May 1st Gavin Sheets slash line is .196/.276/.318.
He’s been the worst player on the team over that time.
Sadly, no, he hasn’t.
He is absolutely not the worst player at any stretch of time on this team
Since May 1st his production has been roughly equivalent to Andrew Benintendi’s with worse defense. And Andrew Benintendi’s defense is terrible.
He had one good month and since then he’s been terrible.
Assuming they trade Robert the wsox need to get outfield prospects their outfield in the future looks horrible as things stand
Wsox have tons of pitching prospects and impressive catching depth. Your correct about lack of OF prospects, they added 3 OF in the draft.
I’m not convinced Robert is getting traded unless the White Sox want to dump his salary. He’s still looking quite lost at the plate since returning from the IL and they might get better return in the off-season.
I haven’t seen him at Memphis but since late August of last year he has actually been decent in the field. He was awful before then but seemed to figure it out. Maybe he does end up at 1b but he does have the tools for right. Again I haven’t seen him in Memphis this year.
Cardinals are not trading Walker for Fedde. Walker should be included in talks for Crochet if anything.
I was thinking Robert but yeah Crochet would make sense too.
Walker’s stock is down. Mozeliak may have broken him. If you can get Fedde for him, pull the trigger!!!
I have to disagree. You don’t give up a 22 year old having a sophomore slump for a 31 year old with less than one good season of pitching in the majors. I would like to get Fedde, but honestly after seeing Mikolas in St Louis I’m not confident that Fedde is going to be good next year. The only premium prospect I’d give up for a player over 30 would be Saggesse because he’s expendable after the draft. Walker, Gorman, Scott, Hence, graceffo, and matthews should either be untouchable, or only for a young cost controlled pitcher/player. Pending free agents or players over 30 should be a hard pass if they want any of those guys. This was never going to be the cards year. Making the playoffs and setting us up for a run of success starting next year should be the goal. Next year hence, graceffo, matthews, Scott, Weatherholt and Walker should all be ready to contribute, theoretically, and we will have fewer holes to address at the deadline. Fedde, a reliever and a right handed bat aren’t going to put us on Philadelphia or LA’s level. For us to jump up to the top tier we would need to land someone like Skubal and Fedde plus a really good right handed bat and reliever. That’s literally the entire farm for what maybe making a run? Nah I would rather be patient and start another decade long run of playoff teams than burn down the farm for a maybe. Honestly we should sale a couple of pieces and just add more to the farm, and add Fedde is we can work something out with the dodgers. Otherwise it’s smarter to shop in the offseason when you have as many holes as the cards do currently.
Weatherholt ready to contribute next year? I doubt that. I hope so, but that’s unlikely.
Your name says it all lol…walker for Fede is probably as ignorant as it gets lol
It sure seems by their lack of pulling the trigger on any deals, the Cards and their fans have a much higher opinion of their players, than the rest of baseball does.
Keep your mediocrity.
The trade deadline isn’t over yet. Wait and see what happens.
No team in their right mind would sell low on a 22 year old former top prospect in baseball and trade them for a 31 year old pitcher with less than a year of success in the majors.
Well, when you put it that way…
Ahh….
So: “…..the Dodgers look to lengthen a lineup that has lost key
pieces like Mookie Betts, Max Muncy, and Miguel Rojas to injury, leaving them with well below average production in the back half
of their lineup.”
Who are they offering?
……” the Dodgers could dangle a young hitter of their own such as James Outman or Miguel Vargas as a centerpiece for their part of
the trade.”
……FROM THE BACK HALF OF THEIR LINE-UP.
Gets sillier by the day.
LOL
dodgers also have plenty of young minor league talent, it is best not to take any speculative returns for major leaguers too seriously until a deal is done, as often it is nothing more than speculation. the deal got done.
If the Cardinals are giving up Walker it needs to be for Luis Robert. For Robert and Fedde I could see giving up Walker, Scott, Edman and a minor league starter or 2. The Cardinals have a good number of starting pitchers in AAA that deserve a chance and since the Cardinals refuse to develop young pitching they might as well trade it away. Guys like Graceffo and Mcgreevy are ready to play. Liberatore and Pallante also deserve a chance. Need Robert to make a deal work.
That’s still way too much to give up. Roberts is Tyler O’Neil when it comes to health. Everyone complained about him always getting hurt and wanted him gone, but then you want to give up all of that for a guy that’s had one monster year and then has been injured or disappointing for the most part? Fedde and Mikolas career paths are also too similar for my tastes since miles has been maddeningly inconsistent. Neither of them are worth any of our premium prospects because even landing both of them might not make us favorite in the division and it sure wouldn’t put us into the top tier of true contenders. I know people like to mention the nats run in 2019 but there is a huge difference between our team and theirs. They had an absolutely unreal rotation that pitched out of their minds that year. Strasburg, Scherzer, Corbin, sanchez were all nasty. Even with Fedde nobody in our rotation would be as nasty as those 4 guys. Not even Sonny is pitching as well as they did that year. They also had a more consistent offense than we do, and one right handed bat isn’t going to change that. Next year we have a much better chance if we don’t screw it up by hiring down our farm for a wild card game…
Tyler ONeill is having an excellent year. I sure as heck didn’t complain about ONeill being with the team I said it was a mistake to trade him and it was.
I think Walker is steep for Fedde, but I get it.
I said a couple of days ago that RH, 1B only prospects are the least valuable commodity in baseball. I guess I have to stand by that even if I think Walker is a little outside that mold. I would rather trade for a higher upside arm if we are trading our top prospect, but we NEED starting pitching. I would rather trade Walker than Victor Scott. Maybe if they include Kopech.
Wsox need 2B and OF prospects and or impact bats.
We actually have a viable 2B prospect in Caesar Prieto. He looks like a hitting machine. I would happily trade Prieto and a pitcher (we have four young SP prospects in AAA) for Fedde.
That would be a solid trade at best. Maybe add low tier OF prospect.
Saggesse might work better. He’s still the better known and rated prospect despite having a down year offensively. Personally I think Prieto is better and he has never struggled hitting in the minors, but scouts like Saggesse so he might be more attractive in a deal.
Walker for Robert or Crochet not for Fedde. Fedde is just more of what the team already has an average right handed pitcher with a contract that expires after 2025. Get Robert and Scott is no longer a need.
I’m not saying you’re wrong because you might have it right. But personally, I just don’t love Robert. He doesn’t seem like a long term CF because of his injury history and his offense is very dependent on his power production. I just don’t like the long term outlook.
I would take a gamble on Crochet, but I know that’s not a realistic option. He’s already asking for an extension and the Cardinals aren’t looking for players who want to be paid.
That is correct
I am not sure Robert would fit in the clubhouse and the injuries are a concern but he’s a good fit for the team. Right handed middle of the order bat. He’s under control through 2027 I think he can stay in center for at least that long
Crochet only wants an extension if the team plans on running him into the ground. Odds are the Cardinals won’t make the playoffs if they do then he won’t help at that point and that sucks but at least you get him for 2025 and 2026. Crochet is cheaper of course. Lefty top of the rotation starter is a need.
Cheaper doesn’t always mean better.
Come on. You know he WANTS an extension no matter what. Who wouldn’t want guaranteed millions? He is using the playoff scenario as leverage to get that extension.
But it doesn’t matter. The Cardinals aren’t going to give the prospect capital or the extension. And I’m ok with that. He’s a little riskier than I would like.
Crochet is a first year starter btw so yes he’s high risk high reward pitcher at best.
It all comes down to how much. If he wants a 5 year 100 million dollar extension I think that makes some sense. If he wants to be paid like a reliable ace then heck no. What he doesn’t want is the team who trades for him to run him into the ground and expect him to throw 200 innings this year. That’s what he doesn’t want. And I could see the Cardinals paying him long term. After 2026 his last arb year the big money contracts for all the current starter will be over. The money would be there.
Crochet is a difference maker. Yes there are some issues with the rest of this year but he’s a difference maker. Fedde is only slightly better than what we already have.
Sure. 5/100, I’d do in a heartbeat. That’s Miles Mikolas prices. I doubt Crochet sees himself in Mikolas’ market.
Fedde is much better than Liberatore. So Fedde is a reasonable target, but I hate to give up Walker because a lot of Fedde’s value is based on this year and I don’t think the Cardinals are going anywhere this year.
The Cardinals need to hold and wait this deadline out.
In arbitration, Crochet would be lucky to get half of that if things went perfectly the next three years… There is the risk factor that it gets hurt and ends up with next to nothing…
Crochet has doubled the most innings he’s ever pitched. His July numbers have taken a downward turn. July ERA: 4.85, WHIP 1.615, 4 games with only 13 innings pitched. This might be a cooincidence but it’s just as likely he’s wearing down.
Is he wanting an extension now because he knows he’s wearing down?
He wants an extension because he doesn’t want the team trading for him to run him into the ground. And that’s totally reasonable on his part. But yeah I don’t trust him for the rest of 2024. And moving forward he’s still a big injury risk.
Don;
The price of buying developed pitching is exorbitant. Primarily because most teams don’t acquire and develop pitching well.
It’s why a small market team such as the Cleveland Guardians currently have the 2nd best winning percentage in MLB – and
when one looks at their position players they scratch their heads.
It’s why the Rays have been successful for years, and by 2026 will
be back in contention…..maybe even in 2025.
I could go on…..
Correct
I don’t think Walker has the trade value at tgis point you all think he does.
He has been exposed at the major league level. It remains to be seen whether he will make the needed adjustments, but it doesn’t look good so far.
He had an OPS of nearly 800 as a 21 year old last year. He’s still only 22. This isn’t some overcooked prospect he has plenty of time to figure it out. And good gosh the Cardinals have a history of trading outfielders away and those guys going on to perform with their new teams.
Since Walker has no trade value, the Cardinals should keep the still 22 year old young player.
Chase Davis and Travis Honeymoon. Not too costly for StL and the Sox add two OF prospects.
For what?
Would also add a pitcher, Cardinals system isn’t great btw, they do need impact bats primarily at 2B and OF.
Seems reasonable but the Cardinals can’t afford to lose 2 outfielders unless they are getting one back. Outfielder and a major league ready starter could work. Davis and either Graceffo or Mcgreevy.
That’s not nearly enough for Fedde. Davis has a .738 OPS in A ball & Graceffo isn’t a lock to be anything but a reliever. Mcgreevy is junk.
In the case of Erick Fedde, I have made a couple observations I’ll share.
First, his situation reminds me a little bit like Miles Mikolas. Like Mikolas, Fedde struggled to get mlb hitters out, went overseas, retooled, and came back with an improved knowledge of pitch selection. He seems to have finally maximized his potential.
Second, if Fedde continues to pitch well through season’s end (with St Louis or another team) I believe he will go the same route as Croucet and demand an extension. Mikolas did the same thing in 2019.
Fedde is 31 and his payday has to be now. I think opposing GMs are expecting this request so this is mildly complicating what the asking price will be in return. Otherwise a deal probably would have already happened between the White Sox and somebody.
Trading for a pitcher under control for one additional year isn’t going to fetch the same haul if the opposing team knows they can lock down said pitcher for 3 to 5 more.
Nobody is going to give Fedde that kind of an extension already. Payday for him will come after 2025 if he pitches reasonably well next year.
I’ll respectfully disagree with you. Look no further than Steven Matz. Matz was a back of the rotation, injury prone starter that couldn’t put together his arsenal with the Mets.
He goes to Toronto and has one good year and scored a 4 year deal in St Louis. So there’s clear prove that teams will pay after one year. Matz is only one example.
Let’s not pretend that somewhere in the back of Mozeliak’s mind is the hope that Mikolas strikes gold and has another 2018.
Mikolas is a perfect example of a guy that produced one great season and turned that into not one, but two extensions based on what he did and what he’s capable of.
The cards would. They gave Mikolas his extension after his first season back. He’s rewarded us by being bad in non-contract years, and then being somewhat good in years he’s due an extension. Which is why I’m very hesitant to overpay for Fedde especially since realistically this isn’t our year. Our chance of actually being good enough to go to the series goes up next season and then after with our prospects just about mlb ready.
Honestly I will be surprised if St Louis lands Fedde. I just don’t see Mozeliak dipping into the prospect well to get him. This is both good and bad.
The “good” is the old adage that “sometimes the best move is the move you never make.” Mozeliak has learned that lesson hard in the last decade with some of the moves that were made (Arozerena, Adonis Garcia etc.)
The “bad” is that I believe those transactions haunt Mozeliak and they’ve gotten in his head. He’s forgotten that prospects serve a purpose other than replenishment. Prospects should be a valuable tool to solidify the big league roster through trade.
Is Fedde a good acquisition to pursue? He seems to be better than most so I won’t knock him. He carries a certain enigmatic feature that gives us all a bit of hesitation, especially if you remember his tenure with the Nationals.
It reminds me of an article I read a few years ago. In the article it quotes an undisclosed baseball executive saying “Nothing gets a General Manager fired more often than falling in love with his own Prospects.” And there’s a truth to it.
It’s actually after 2025 when the Cardinals will have even worse rotation uncertainty. Gibson’s option is likely to be picked up, maybe Lynn’s as well, and everyone else is signed through at least next year. However, Gibson, Lynn, Mikolas, and Matz will all be free agents by the end of 2025, leaving just Sonny Gray (if not counting Pallante) among the current starting rotation, while their young prospects have so far been nothing but relievers or AAAA starters at best.
It actually seems better if they were to just trade for a rental and then make sure they sign a good free agent starter to a long term deal among their offseason moves.
At some point you have to let your young talent develop in the majors and that’s what the team has refused to do the last couple years. Liberatore has potential. Pallante has potential. The AAA rotation is filled with young guys who deserve a shot. I don’t think the problem is talent shortage it’s a developmental problem.
On this we agree. I don’t think any of those guys are dominant, # 1 starter types, but I think we could get Lynn/Gibson level production from a couple of them.
I owe Andre Pallante an apology. He has far exceeded my expectations as a starter. I think he’s a viable starter for the next few years.
I don’t know what to think about Liberatore. His performance is so mercurial. I’m at a point where I think we should keep him in the bullpen, put him in favorable match-ups, get his numbers up, and trade him to some one who buys on his potential.
Yeah only top of the rotation guy I see is Hence and he’s not reliable at all. But back end guys are valuable. We are paying about 50 million dollars for Mikolas, Matz, Gibson and Lynn. Liberatore has been perked around and so has Pallante. Either give these guys a chance or freaking trade them to a team that will.
Agreed 100% with Liberatore assessment. He’s so…Mitchell Boggs like! The tools are there, the outcome is unpredictable.
Pallante has shown progress and it does offer some encouragement going forward.
With Gibson and Lynn, I’m torn on one or both getting their options exercised. If you ask me today, I would say Gibson gets exercised and Lynn is a coin toss either way.
To me, the rumor of moving Edman in another deal adds smoke to the rumor of their interest in Fedde. If Edman’s 9.5 million is moved, that paves the way for Fedde’s 7.5 million. It’s the most Mozeliak move we could expect.
You can only let your prospects develop at the Major League level if you’re already out of it later in the year or punting the season to begin with. For a contending team like the Cardinals, none of those guys have yet proven that they’re ready for the MLB rotation. The Cardinals wouldn’t be where they are now if they had relied on the young guys instead of signing Gibson and/or Lynn.
Pallante is currently getting his shot and has been inconsistent, as was Thompson while filling in for Gray early in the season. Liberatore has mostly sucked whenever he’s filled in for the rotation, and like Thompson he’s been much better as a reliever.
The other guys in AAA may or may not be ready by next season, but we can’t have them learning so much on the job. One of them may have a chance to win a rotation job in Spring Training. Tink Hence looks like the best of the bunch, but he’s only in AA and probably won’t be ready until late 2025 at the earliest.
It may very well be a developmental problem, which is even more reason not to just throw them into the Major League rotation while still in contention.
How can they prove it if they dont get a chance????
Last year the team was completely out of it. Instead of letting Graceffo and Mcgreevt get starts down the stretch it was Barnes and 2 other losers I can’t remember their names getting playing time.
Pallante was a starter in 2022 and performed. Then in 2023 he didn’t get a chance.
Liberatore has been jerked around from day 1.
Thompson jerked around.
You have to let the young guys develop. You have to set them up to succeed not to fail.
Does any other team in baseball have 5 starters making 10 million or more in their rotation? I don’t think so. And the rotation sucks it isn’t good.
Kenny Williams drafting players like Jordan Walker (with the first pick) several years in a row, is why the Sox are worst team in MLB.
KW is gone btw. Maybe the Wsox will be better off wo KW in the picture.
All I know is that whatever young players they might end up acquiring won’t matter as long as Grifol is managing. It’s absurd that he’s still there.
Good ol Bob Nightengale is saying A.J. Pierzynski is being seriously considered though. Take that for whatever it’s worth.
I LOVE AJ. He would make the team play just as hard as he did.
The Pale Hose were a lot better with Kenny running the show.
Could someone explain to me how Sonny Gray seems to get these miniscule FIP’s that are lower than his ERA ??::(is it b/c he doesn’t give up many HR’s ?)
Looks like that was a big part of it last season when the HR rate was way down. It’s more normal now but the major factor this season is the high strikeout rate and low walk rate (25% K-BB, league average is 14).
I love how the Cards fans are supposedly the smartest fans in baseball, and yet they allow the mgmt to not spend money to get better players. They still come. I can see top mgmt sitting at their desks like Mr Potter in “it’s a Wonderful Life”, rubbing his hands together and laughing.
If there is any validity to overhyped prospects like Jordan Walker and Spencer Jones being the apple of WSox eye in dealing its handful of good trade chips, they’re doomed even more than now.
I hate everything about this. Fedde may be having a good season but he’s 31 and if we’re not expecting significant regression, I don’t know what stats are even for. He never had a good MLB season before this one, I’m not sure why anyone’s really expecting him to have another one. Yes he dominated the KBO one season, but aside from giving someone a confidence boost playing against mostly AA caliber players, it doesn’t really mean long term MLB success, and the Cardinals realize that with Mikolas having the same first year back honeymoon phase followed by a return to average production as he got older.
Don’t love it.
I feel like this is a bad joke. Both Friedman and Gomes indicated the Dodgers are only trading for significant, not marginal upgrades.
Edman is coming off multiple injuries, is the definition of MEDIOCRE, has a career .319 OBP, has no upside, no contractual value, with the Dodgers double tax, he costs $5 million the rest of 2024 and $20 million in 2025. NO, NO, NO!
To make a three way, the White Sox actually have FOUR players the Dodgers need! Heck, adding Walker from the Cardinals is a far superior idea too. This is worse than an awful idea for the Dodgers.
I don’t know that I really want Outman if the three team deal is pulled off. He seems like the type of player that we’d immediately ruin.
I’d be a bit more open to Miguel Vargas or ideally, if we could get the Dodgers to give us Nick Frasso or Jackson Ferris alongside Diego Cartaya. That would be my ideal haul for the Sox.
I think people tend to forget Jordan Walker is literally only four years out of high school. He’s just 22yrs old, has less than 500 MLB ABs and one full (ish) year in the big leagues. He carries a .752 OPS, and had a 17 game hit streak at one point.
While I don’t think he’ll ever live up to the hype the Cardinals predicted, you don’t trade someone like him for an Erick Freggin Fedde.
Never thought I would agree slider with cheese but you are spot on…Walker for a 30 year old not really proven starter is just laughable..I think even the White Sox knew that but did their due diligence in asking
Ideally, I agree with you Slider. The Cardinals have just painted themselves into such a corner in terms of starting pitching. I’m not advocating trading Walker for Fedde at all. But I acknowledge the fact that the cost of filling out the rotation is going to be painful on some level.
You can’t be serious if you think Fredde is anywhere close to an acceptable trade for Walker…that is probably the most ridiculous trade proposal I have ever heard of…
I’m not saying it’s an acceptable trade. At all. I’m saying the Cardinals are going to end up overpaying for starting pitching. One way or another.
DonOsbourne;
Ponder this……
All expanded playoff contenders – e.g. The 20 or so teams that are not rebuilding and/or have too many injuries to compete – are looking for pitching…..because they feel they don’t have enough.
At the same time hitting is down across the board in MLB.
LOL
Par of the course in American professional sports where the integrity of the product takes a back seat to money.
It’s Silly Season time again!
If they’re not going to make a move to significantly upgrade the rotation (and I don’t think they will) I don’t see a need for a parallel move (which I think Fedde is)
Prices are too high at the deadline. Roll with what they have, hope for the best, and fix the rotation in the off-season. Not the sexiest or most popular opinion, but I think it makes the most sense.
Agreed. I’m not worried about this season. I’m looking forward.
Blackpink said it earlier. The Cardinals have 80+ million invested in their rotation for 2024. That’s a lot. The results on that investment are pretty meh. 80 million didn’t buy them a playoff caliber rotation, so what is a playoff rotation going to cost?
We can all agree the Cardinals are not going to keep going into DeWitt’s pockets to get better. There is some money coming off the books after the season in the form of Goldy’s expiring contract. But there are going to be raises due for current players as well.
The cost for improvement is going to have to be prospects and that is going to be equally expensive. Most likely, the Cardinals will sit on their hands, repeat this year’s blueprint, and hope for the best. .500 is good enough for Mo and Bill III.
The Cardinals and White Sox are a perfect fit. Probably not Walker. There are several others.
Walker and Hence are off the board in my opinion. Walker because it would be selling very low and Hence because he’s an excellent starting prospect. Herrera and Saggese should do it. Change Saggese to Prieto and a good pitching prospect if you like.
Whites Sox Get:
Ivan Herrera, Victor Scott III, Tekoah Roby, Gordon Graceffo, Luken Baker, James Outman, Maddux Bruns
Cardinals Get:
Luis Robert, Erick Fedde, John Brebbia
Dodgers Get:
Tommy Edman, Tommy Pham