The Dodgers announced that they have placed right-hander Tyler Glasnow on the 15-day injured list with lower back tightness. Righty Michael Petersen has been recalled in a corresponding move. Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic previously relayed word from manager Dave Roberts on X that Glasnow would be hitting the IL since his back tightened up on Sunday and Ardaya also tweeted about Petersen’s presence in the clubhouse. Per Jack Harris of the Los Angeles Times on X, the team is hoping it’s a minor issue and that Glasnow could be back shortly after the All-Star break.
Around the All-Star break, teams are generally more willing to give players a stint on the IL even for something small as it can allow the player to miss fewer games than otherwise. With the four-day break coming up next week, Glasnow might only miss a couple of turns through the rotation before returning.
It’s also possible that the Dodgers are using this minor issue and the break to simply get Glasnow a bit of rest. Due to some notable injuries earlier in his career, his career high for innings pitched in a major league season is the 120 frames he pitched with the Rays last year. He’s already at 109 innings here in 2024 and will surely set a new benchmark as long as he returns from this back issue in good form and avoids any other injury stints.
By and large, the Dodgers have seemed willing to pump the brakes on the regular season workloads of their pitchers with the aim of keeping everyone healthy for later in the year and into the postseason. They have been fairly committed to giving their starters more rest than other clubs, often deploying bullpen games or spot starts in order to keep their starters from getting overworked, and this may be part of that as well.
Glasnow’s results have been strong on the year, as he has allowed 3.47 earned runs per nine frames. He has struck out 33.6% of batters faced while limiting walks to a 6.8% clip. He’s also kept 48.2% of balls in play on the ground. Despite those grounders, the home runs have been an issue, with 14% of his fly balls leaving the yard. That’s above the 11.2% league average this year but below Glasnow’s career rate of 15.5%.
In the meantime, the club will have to navigate the next portion of their schedule without those contributions. Justin Wrobleski just came up to make a spot start but is still with the club, so perhaps he will stick around to help cover for Glasnow in the rotation alongside James Paxton, Bobby Miller, Gavin Stone and Landon Knack. The club also has Ryan Yarbrough on the roster for some multi-inning relief work. Kyle Hurt is on optional assignment while prospect River Ryan is in Triple-A but not on the 40-man roster.
Fairly or unfairly, Glasnow has reputation for being injury prone but there’s nothing at this point to suggest this is anything more than a precautionary move. The Dodgers are 7.5 games up on the Padres in the West and, as mentioned, have been on the precautionary side with their pitchers all year.
Nonetheless, the constant rotating of pitchers on and off the IL will be an interesting situation to monitor. Significant rotation injuries seemed to undercut the club in the postseason last year. Currently, the club has Glasnow, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May and Emmet Sheehan all on the injured list. Sheehan is done for the year after undergoing Tommy John surgery in May and Gonsolin is unlikely to come back this season with his own Tommy John procedure having taken place at the start of September last year.
But the others are all candidates to return at some point in the second half, joining the current rotation mix. Even if a few of those guys suffer setbacks, the Dodgers should have more healthy rotation options in October than they did at that time last year.
Susannah
This was unexpected… 😉
Gwynning
As a Padre fan, I sure hope he’s OK for the stretch run. Baseball is better when all the players are healthy, plus you always want to “beat the best” when they’re at full strength.
Dennis Boyd
As a Padres fan, glasnow’s health is irrelevant to the division. Padres have NO shot to win it, even if he’s out for the year. Maybe if Arizona gets completely healthy, they might benefit from a Glasgow injury. Padres don’t have the pitching and likely won’t have enough following the trade deadline, since their top 4 prospects are untouchable (at least I hope they are). I hope AJ has learned…
Longtimecoming
Gwynning – are you expecting Darvish and Joe (SP 1 and SP 2) and Tatis and X (1 and 4 in batting order) to also be at full health for the stretch run?
SD isn’t the only team to have major injuries but they are at the top of the list for most games missed by major contributors – add in Manny’s limitations for beginning of season for good measure.
Simm
Long- I think if healthy tatis goes back to batting second and Xander will take solano’s spot and bat 5th or 6th. Perhaps they move cronenworth down in the order. I think the top 3 are set with Arraez, tatis and profar. Manny likely will hit 4th meaning cronenworth or Xander 5th or 6th. Though I expect solano to still get starts vs lefties. Giving either cron or arraez a day off.
Shrutefarm
Schildt has done a fabulous job keep this team in contention.
Longtimecoming
Simm – you maybe correct. Wherever Tatis and X bat in a revolving order – and adding Arreaz recently does change from April – his arrival- my point stands that 2 best SP and 2 of top 4 (to start season anyway) of the batting order have missed massive amounts of games.
Pads Fans
We don’t have to guess about where they are going to play, just listen to the manager. He told us what is going to happen when Bogaerts gets back.
Bogaerts back to 2B with occasional starts at DH and will be batting “near the top of the order”. Didn’t say where, but I am guessing #3 until Tatis returns. Mostly because over his career Bogaerts has more power.
Cronenworth will be returning to 1B and I am guessing batting in #5 slot.
Arraez to DH and leading off.
Solano to the bench with occasional starts at 1B, 2B, and 3B.
Tatis has not started baseball activities, so when he returns is up in the air. After the deadline?
Longtimecoming
Pads Fan – be careful!
“We don’t have to guess where they are going to play, just listen to the manager.”
“Cronenworth will be returning to 1b and I am guessing batting in the #5 slot.”
Pads Fans
Notice the “where they are going to play” part of my comment.
Where they bat was not mentioned other than Bogaerts near the top of the order.
Brew’88
I think Simm was speculating about the lineup once BOTH Tatis and Bogaerts are back. As far as I know, the manager hasn’t weighed in on the lineup under that scenario. We could all attempt to guess though.
Longtimecoming
Brew – sure looking forward to the day Shildt gets to figure it out.
I’d give some thought into shifting Bog to SS and allowing Solano to continue DH while Kim sits a few games.
I think Solano has hit well enough – not power but still putting balls in play – to justify him not just hitting the bench.
Peralta is at the end of his road though when Tatis comes back. Should survive the Bog return.
Pads Fans
That seems academic since we have no idea when Tatis will return and the estimates are August or September. Shildt has said when they expect Bogaerts to return and where he will play in the field once he does.
Interestingly. Bogaerts has hit 2nd in each of his 4 rehab starts with El Paso so far, so maybe that is the plan once he returns to the Padres lineup with Profar moving to the #3 spot. That gives the Padres a LHB, RHB, Switch, RHB, LHB 1 through 5 if Machado is hitting cleanup and Cronenworth #5.
Gwynning
LTC- that is the hope! Right?!?!
I would venture so far as to say it’s looking like a “probability”… the only hanging chad is Joe’s shoulder, but even if he requires some arthro clean-up he should be fine in Sept. Aloha!
Gwynning
Shrute- Shildt credits all the beets the team’s been havin’!
Brew88
Of course speculating about lineup once Tatis returns is academic. Thats what I said, thanks for concurring ?
Simm
Without tatis in the lineup which may be for some time.
Shildt almost always spaces out his regular lefties. With that in mind I think it could look like this.
Arraez, profar, cronenworth, manny, Xander, Merrill, Kim, peralta, higgy (campy).
I really don’t love Arraez as the leadoff guy. If he isn’t on fire getting hits he just doesn’t add any value batting leadoff. He doesn’t walk and has no speed. I’d actually try batting Kim leadoff. Yes I know he hasn’t hit well but he does walk a good amount and has speed. Stick him at leadoff and Arraez batting second. I don’t think they will do this but I’d give it a try.
With solano getting a spot start and pinch hitting for Peralta late in games. I can also see eguy coming up and playing RF against lefties.
Brew’88
@Simms. That lineup looks about right against RH pitching. Yeah Arraez isn’t the best lead0ff guy unless he hits .350 which he isn’t doing. And I think the team has him locked at leadoff.
Kim and Profar both have done a good job at leadoff in the past, but with Profar’s knee issue he’s not a good choice now. Kim has been trying to be patient at the plate but maybe too much this year. He’s almost certain to take the first two pitches as strikes each AB putting himself into a hole. His 0-2, 1-2 cuts have actually been above average successful, despite his overall poor BA.. I wonder though if he should become more aggressive on early pitches.
Card AG
Eh, I love when other teams best aren’t playing so my team doesn’t have to play them lol
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Even Fletcher wouldn’t bet on that happening.
ArrestArte
Ohtani probably would though
brodie-bruce
@arrestarte
Tbf Ohtani would just have his new translator place the bets for him
Pads Fans
Injury right on cue at 100 IP.
Pads Fans
Love the “the team is hoping it’s a minor issue and that Glasnow could be back shortly after the All-Star break”, meaning that its a relatively major issue and they are not EXPECTING him back anywhere near the ASB.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Correct: Orioles -only- franchise that matters. If they are out in the first round: rigged. If they make the bye and are out in the divisional: so very rigged and unfair. If they are out in the ALCS: of course rigged and playoffs are a crapshoot. If they lose the World Series: It’s all a crapshoot and it was probably rigged
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
If the Orioles, Dodgers, Phillies, or Yankees don’t win it all, just remember it’s all a random crapshoot anyway.
douglasb
Don’t worry, Walker Buehler can give you 10 more starts this year and give up 50 earned runs.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nah, Dodgers will give Walker the day off. They have a Hall of Fame and one of the best ever regular season pitcher (and average post-season pitcher) ready to step up and save the day while the half a billion dollars spent on Yamamoto and Glasgow do some rehab.
Longtimecoming
CK is an “average post-season pitcher”. What do you base this on? I guess if you consider 1/2 the pitchers have to suck in order for the other teams to win then, he can be in the middle somewhere.
As a first ballot HOFer, his stats don’t equal average to me. A first ballot HOFer needs to be compared to other HOF / top pitchers – not the average or below average joes they just happened to get to start a post season game.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
For his career, Kershaw is 13 wins and 13 losses in the post-season, 213 strikeouts in 194 innings, a Whip of 1.11 and an ERA under four and a half. Kershaw has more post-season wins than Clemens, Maddux or Schilling. Kershaw has the second most post-season strikeouts after only Verlander. Better post-season winning percentage than Maddux or Glavine. Hall of Fame regular season pitcher and avergae post-season pitcher, I stand by my remarks. Kershaw is also an awesome guy. One of my favorite players, looking forward to him hitting 3,000 career strikeouts this regular season.
Motor City Beach Bum
Jack Flahery on speed dial.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Fits to a “t”, but you are missing a “t” in his last name. It
Motor City Beach Bum
Typing too fast. The last time the Tigers tried to make a trade with LA didn’t go well because they slow payed it too long. Trying to drop a hint to them 😉
Devlsh
Now you missed an “l”. Type even slower.
Shrutefarm
As a Dodger fan, I would much rather trade for Skubal, but would Detroit be willing to part with him?
User 401527550
Are you serious? You would trade your whole farm to replace a guy on the injured list for 15 days. You have stock pile of elite pitchers that will be back at some time or another.
Shrutefarm
Obviously it would not be for 15 days. He’s under control for 2 more years. I know I’m in the minority here, but I am not a big fan of Bobby Miller. He’s young with potential. I was thinking him and Rushing as cornerstones of the deal. Of course, there would need to be other pieces involved.
Motor City Beach Bum
Miller could be worked in too. I like him more than Ferris and I like Ferris a lot. Miguel Vargas is someone else I’d love to see in Detroit.
I can love certain players all I want, but I just don’t see anyone paying the price the Tigers will ask for. And the Tigers need Skubal if they want to compete in 2025 which they say they do.
Who knows though. Like I said LA and SD are the two I see who might break the bank.
Shrutefarm
Yeah, if their goal is to compete next year, it makes zero sense to trade him away.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Even a broken analog clock is correct two times a day.
I have to agree with Mets 6986 on this one. If Yamamoto, Glasgow, Ohtani and Kershaw are expected back as pitchers in 2025, there is no reason to give up four or five top prospects to get Skubal. Pick up a pitcher for August-September-October who will become a free agent. Dodgers are just back-filling for Buehler and Miller.
Motor City Beach Bum
I also agree (not just because I don’t want the Tigers to trade him). L.A. has enough depth for two rotations. Stone is pitching like an All Star and one of him Buehler or Miller could get bumped to the BP at some point.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I expect Stone to stay in rotation with Yamamoto, Glasgow, Ohtani and Kershaw. Maybe resign Paxton to a one year deal, let Buehler leave in free agency and trade one of Bobby Miller, Nick Frasso or River Ryan in a deal for a three month rental.
Brew88
@Manny. For 2025 I’m guessing they add ( because they can) a high tier SP (or two) via FA, or trade deadline in two weeks.
Motor City Beach Bum
They mention him as a possibility but a very doubtful one as the team acquiring him would have to absolutely blow the Tigers away and drain the top of their farm system. Detroit’s fans would riot. LA would need to tick off a lot of needs to blow them away (MLB ready bats, good young SS, C, a pitcher to replace him.) Maybe Ferris, Cartaya, Rushing or Pages, Joendry Vargas and one or more of Yeiner Fernandez, Noah Miller or Austin Gauthier. SS is the biggest near term need for Detroit and Vargas is a long ways away.
The only teams I might see biting on the asking price are LA (they can just develop more and sign big names) and SD (same ability to draft and develop as LA and Preller spends his prospects to get players he wants).
Poolhalljunkies
Anyone is tradeable , the problem is the dodgers for once dont have the prospects detroit would require..or rather they might have them but would balk at the asking price
Shrutefarm
Skubal is interesting because he only has two more years of arbitration before he’s a FA. His agent is none other than Scott Boras, so you know he’s going to test the market. Plus, he’s already had two major surgeries on his pitching arm, so he’s definitely at risk. He could blow out his elbow at anytime and then have no trade value. So, do the sell now while he’s at peak value?
Other teams will look at it similarly knowing that he’s a high injury risk pitcher (lol, most all pitchers are these days), and that in two years he’s probably going to walk. Especially with LA, they rarely sign Boras clients unless the player takes less…see JD Martinez.
So, I am not too sure what the actual market is for him. He’s definitely a legit top of the rotation guy though when he’s healthy
Dodger64
Yes please
AlistairC
They should have a second All-Star Game this year where all the players on the IL do head-to-head rehab exercises. Not a competition,because of the obvious reaggravation risk and every rehab different according to the players injury and stage of recovery, but it could be a showcase of hope for the fans. It would rival the real one in star power.
Gwynning
Maybe we do that every 4 years and include some hold and silver! I give Manfred full clearance to use “piece of medal” for the winners…
Gwynning
*gold
Brew’88
sticking with the rehabbers theme, Elton John could sing the national anthem and Lindsay Lohan could toss the opening pitch.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think this is the worst idea I have ever heard in my life. Did your four other sock puppet accounts upvote this?
Gwynning
Dead at
“sock puppet accounts”
Hahahaha good one Iggy! I gave him a thumber for creativity, at least… cheers buddy
AlistairC
No, my sock puppet accounts are all on sockpuppetafficiando.com. On here four people got that I never expected Rob Manfred to drop everything and make it happen and it was humor to distract everyone and especially me, a Rangers fan, from looking at the standings and IL list again. I’m personally not crushed by it as the WS title still fresh, but injuries have been plentiful this year for the whole league and the Rangers especially ran with the theme.
Also I was sure I had typed it out using the Patrick Bateman riffing on Huey Lewis font, but apparently it doesn’t format it right when it posts.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Don’t be too down in the dumps about the Rangers. It appears the offense has finally turned on and you will be getting all that pitching back. I’m a Mariners fan and totally expect to see a three team horse race to the finish like last year.
Brew’88
Well, as a Mariners fan perhaps you could show some generosity to us Pads fans and give us a split in the 2-game series today? We promise to go hard on your WC rivals in the AL
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I do want to be generous but Astros are only 2 games back and Rangers are heating up. I hate to be greedy but the Mariners need this one, so maybe you guys could go easy on us again?? That was very nice of you to throw the kid out there yesterday to practice his gopher balls.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Brew, I tried!! I told Munoz and the guys in the pen to give the Padres a couple extra chances there late in the game…but I can’t work black magic, your boys have got to execute. If I could get Munoz to throw a couple Wild Pitches there in the 9th it would have been too obvious and we would all be accused of trying to throw the game for the bookies or something lol.
Brew88
Okay I trust you did your best. But even you can’t deny the basic laws of physics – gravitational pull the Padres have to .500 level.
Hey if the Mariners can get some hitting going, they will be a tough out in the playoffs.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Which half of the roster will DiPoto trade this month? DiPoto does his job like I play rotisserie.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Manny Jerry has a plethora of bright shiny objects in the minors ( 8 Top 100 prospects according to one of the outlets who grade farm systems, #2 Farm overall)…Jerry has the trade chits to beat any other offer on the table for some help on the offensive side and a set-up guy. Thinking along the lines of Yandy & Randy & Pete Fairbanks from Tampa or Robert Jr & Kopech from the ChiSox. Nobody from the active roster will be dealt this time Manny, according to my Magic 8-Ball. (Regular caveats, terms & conditions may apply)
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Iggy
Mostly agree, but a couple of Mariners from the major league active roster will likely be dealt with prospects in order to make room for the upgrades.
User 73324335
Death, taxes…
Oldguy58
Hello Chicago, how can we fleece you for Garrett Crochet?
PhilliesFan91
Hes gonna end up in Baltimore
Big Hurt
I’d be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore, since Elias (and the fans) seem to think they don’t have to give up top prospects to fill up their only (massive rotation) hole.
This is where the Os fans will predictably mention that Crochet will have an innings limit so they couldn’t POSSIBLY give up their 3rd or 4th best prospect for the potential Cy Young!!!
Whenever I hear about the innings limit from Os fans, I wonder if they understand they Crochet will be under contract for 2.5 years (at $800k this year), and while they will limit it a bit this year, there is nothing to stop them from pulling back a bit, ramping up in September and having Crochet, Burnes and Rodriguez in October.
Then – you’ve got 2 potential Aces on super low contracts for the next 2 years (without innings restrictions). Unless you think the Os window is 1 year, then why are you all so worried about only this year?
Pads Fans
I must be missing something since the Orioles rank 2nd in starting pitching ERA and 4th in pitching overall. What holes do they have?
Why would any team give up high rated prospects for a guy that will not start for them this season? That makes no sense. Just wait until the offseason to make that trade and pickup someone else that can help your team now.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
The reason is FOMO. If the Dodgers get him, for example, it means he won’t be available for the O’s this off-season. I don’t think the O’s will part with any of their top 4 prospects, but some team will meet the Sox’ price, barring injury.
Big Hurt
Yes, you are missing something (and it was in my post).
First, where do you get that Crochet “will not start for them this season?” Of course he will. Mad Dog suggested that if he went to the Dodgers they could start him once per week for the remainder of the year, reducing his innings yet keeping him in a rhythm, because the Dodgers will win the division with or without him.
Similar for the Os – they will make the playoffs either way so pulling him back and pitching the others like Kremer (blown up last night), Irvin (in a spiral and moved to the pen), and Suarez (137 years old without success before this year and average peripherals) won’t hurt them much.
Again, going into the playoffs with a top 3 of Burnes, Crochet and Rodriguez, with the top AL lineup and a strong pen makes then the WS favorite imho. Substitute Kremer or Suarez in there for Crochet and they become a contender with a weakness. Seems like a huge price to pay just to keep another offensive prospect when they are stacked with them.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Tyler Glass-now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Don’t be an ass-now
AL B DAMNED
Speaking of All Star game..Is Manfred going to keep the dead balls or break out some 2019 balls for the game.
BigFishPike
Glasnow’s turn for a little rest
Glasnow was NOTHING before he learned the Roger Beshens Football Slider May 2018 in Pitt. Glasnow was stuck in the Pitt bullpen of all places and learned the Football Slider from Roger Beshens. On center grip, throw like football, stiff wrist.
Look at Savant 2018 Slider. Say’s it all. whiffed like 45 out of 78 hitters. LOL
2018 is the first yr in MLB more K’s than Whiffs and it was cause of that football slider. Cole, Snell, Flaherty and 53 more could’t avg over a K an IP until 2018.
AL B DAMNED
Can you teach that football Slider to Bryce Elder
BigFishPike
Roger showed Strom recently so while the Braves are in town Strom should whisper it to Elder.
I think Morton should tell Elder, lot easier.
holecamels35
I want to see him make 30 starts in a season. Might be a minor injury and small excuse to manage workload.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
And now his injury history comes into play
notagain27
Teams are starting to use the extra days of the All Star break to allow guys to reset before the stretch run.
Rsk3228
In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and Byron Buxton will be hurt soon too.
Paleobros
Actually, water isn’t wet. It’s a liquid that makes other things wet.
TAKERDBACKS
Dodger fans waiting for me to respond! Can’t buy chips! But you know what this is worse. they will go get crochet and robert. They are the worst organization. Dbacks just owned them last series and they will keep buying and buying. if they don’t win a chip it’s a bust period.
Xenophon
LOL D’backs caught lightning in a bottle in the playoffs, and now a couple of fans get cocky. How cute.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dbacks are suffering with the full Monty
Hebner3B
Maybe Keller takes his place in the All Star game?
Mojo37
I think it’s Hunter Greene.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
My reply is in camouflage
BigBallsLongBat
Anybody called him Tyler GLASSnow yet?
disadvantage
People have been calling him Tyler Glassarm for a while, if that counts.
Asobko
Funny how star players get injured this time of year and its always a quick thing where they get back right after the all star game without missing a start. Guarantee that’ll happen here.
James Midway
Is this a way to get him some rest with his innings starting to reach the level they are?
Gwynning
*Looks around…*
Bingo!
Sideline Redwine
This is too bad…Glas has done well this year; as a real baseball fan, I hope he is not out for long.
Unfortunately, he has a history of injury, which leads to some of the comments here. I loathe the Dodgers, but will cheer or Glas all day long. Here’s to him coming back soon and re-dominating.
User 401527550
Has he though? His stats say he’s a middle of the rotation pitcher.
Mojo37
who has 8 wins and leading the NL in K’s.
Pads Fans
How do you know with absolute certainty that a person commenting knows ZERO about baseball?
They mention wins for pitchers thinking it somehow means a pitcher is good or bad.
Go on back to the 19th century.
Longtimecoming
For you or anyone that think wins don’t matter to a SP just go ask one what THEY think about wins.
They want to go to 5 – why? To qualify for a win.
They wait at the top of dugout after being removed mid-inning to see if RP is going to let in his runs.
If the SP cares then it’s a stat worth caring about.
Throughout history, better pitchers had more wins more often than not – maybe not an occasional pitcher in a down season for his team, etc. but overall, a SP that is pitching well gets a W.
Going back to 19th century? How about the CY winners in the past 23 years? Were they at the top of not the top of the W’s?
Mojo37
measure it any way you prefer expert. Glasnow is a frontline starter.
Longtimecoming
Mojo – I was not referencing Glasnow in particular if you were talking to me.
Mojo37
Longtime…as I was not responding to you, bud. I was responding to the self proclaimed expert Pad Fans
Longtimecoming
Cool – using iPhone so things don’t always line up as intended.
Pads Fans
Wins mean absolutely ZERO when measuring a pitcher’s performance. Especially when practically no one pitches complete games anymore.
As you noticed with the Padres recently, starting pitchers going too deep can cost teams wins, not gets them wins.
Cy Young awards are POPULARITY contests and mean NOTHING in terms of pitcher performance. MOST of them have NOT been the guy with the most wins. That I remember only ONE in this century. That was a guy for Boston that got over 6 runs per game of support. He was NOT the best pitcher in the AL that season. Not by a long shot.
If you care about wins for PITCHERS and not for TEAMS, then you don’t understand baseball. PERIOD. End of conversation.
Pads Fans
Facts are facts and thanks for confirming the fact that you have zero clue what matters in baseball.
Longtimecoming
Pads Fans,
I’ve read where so many others have risen you hard for your posts and he’ll, I’ve even backed you up on a rare instance.
From a long time Padres fan, please accept me as finally joining the adios club to you.
Gwynning
I would dial back the pompousness and focus on some more positivity there, Only Fans… just some free advice. Cheerio
Gwynning
*Pads Fans
Don’t you go showin’ my old lady that sweet autocorrection!
Motor City Beach Bum
No way Porcello should have beat out Verlander that year. The year DeGrom won it with like 10 wins seems to have changed that mentality thankfully.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
As an exercise, we should try to think of a crappy pitcher who ended up with a high amount of wins for a season. Just off the top of my head I recall a Braves pitcher from just two or three seasons ago who had 20 wins but is now in the minors or out of baseball.
Motor City Beach Bum
Bill Gullickson with the Tigers.
Longtimecoming
ISOB – well, I’m watching Phil’s drubbing of LA and I would say I’ve heard announcers make about 20 references to a SP and w’s. Last discussion was how Corbin Burnes was the worst SP in 19, then learned how to pitch and came back and how many wins he got in 2021 and won the CY blah blah blah. All references to his improving was connected to his W’s!
Didn’t say anything about any other metric or stat.
The guys that play the game appreciate W’s for a SP whether a fan cares or not.
Sure a guy can have a bunch wins and not be the best pitcher. No doubt and I get that isolated example. Sure, a guy pitching awesome could have a low win total because his offense sucks or his BP sucks.
Just saying W’s don’t matter is hard to prove.
Brew88
Steve Carlton won 27 in 1972. But lost 20 in 1973
Longtimecoming
Brew, with literally 10’s of thousands of SP of the history of the game there are all sorts of oddities and unusual records and stats. No doubt, they is part of the fun of the game.
SP can get L’s for a number of reasons as well.
In more recent years, just how teams operated in free agency can improve a team and have an effect / outcome for a SP’s W’s that have nothing to do with the pitcher!
All in all, could never say that 27 W’s didn’t mean SC wasn’t a good pitcher.
Brew88
I don’t think Mazur will win 20 this year
Longtimecoming
Oh no. He just isn’t ready and is a good example of a too soon call up due to necessity.
I’d rather he be sent down and they go with extra BP (Brito) arm and go for BP day or skip a start with off days.
Let the kid go back down before they blow his confidence.
Those 1972 Phillies – again, stats especially in mlb are fun. After SC and his 27 wins, the next highest was 4! The team was horrible, SC had. 1.9 ERA which translated to a bad team not having to score many room every 4 days (they used 4 thst year).
Metric geeks don’t like ERA either.
Reality is a guy pitches well, doesn’t give up runs, so he has a low ERA and when you get 40 starts a year, you end up winning 20-27 games as a product of many factors coming together.
Those “wins don’t mean anything” guys just need to talk to a real life MLB SP and hear him say – oh hell yeah they do. I get paid to win games! I get paid a lot more when I win a bunch of games!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Gwynny— there’s nothing wrong with Only Fans, you just tell your wife that you have a new appreciation for the human form OR that you have a new interest in photography and that you’re studying different camera angles and such.
websoulsurfer
Why would anyone give him any problems with speaking the truth. Wins don’t mean anything when you are talking about pitcher performance. Lots of other things do, but in an age where pitchers go 5-6 innings, wins don’t give you even the slightest idea how good or bad a pitcher was.
My question is why are you trying to argue that they do?
websoulsurfer
Gwynning, the pompousness in this case came from LTC. He jumped in when he was totally in the wrong. Maybe next time he will just stay out of it.
websoulsurfer
Mojo, that is the kettle calling the pot black. It seems all you do is come on here with insults. Try coming with some stats or anything that is not just your opinion from time to time and then guys like Pads won’t keep calling you out. He is obviously not the only one either.
websoulsurfer
Just because an announcer mentioned wins doesn’t mean that they are a way to tell if a pitcher is good or bad. Why don’t you try mentioning some stats that actually show if a pitcher is good or bad because wins isn’t one of them.
Up until the heart attack I had at a Padres game earlier this season I attended every game since I retired and talked to Padres pitchers a couple of times a week and none of them has ever said they care if they get a W, only if the team gets a W. I listen to every interview and not once this season has a pitcher said that he was worried about him getting the W. Just that the team got the win. In fact, any pitcher worth his salt would say the same thing.
The guys playing the game can care less if they get the win. It doesn’t get them paid anymore. Maybe in the 1970’s or before it did, but today when starting pitchers only go 5-6 innings it just doesn’t matter.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I’m sorry to hear about your heart attack, I hope you’re doing better. That’s very scary! I’m 48 and it’s something I think about because I know it can happen at my age.
Longtimecoming
Web – so you define pompous as disagreeing with you? Good to know.
I didn’t call any names or negativity toward an individual.
I didn’t say W’s are the most importantly or best or only way to tell if a pitcher is good or not.
I merely stand by the position that W’s do matter – as I said, there are examples of a good pitcher not having a lot of wins and examples of good pitchers not having a lot of wins – acknowledged.
The take that you can’t find anything that matters in a particular stat is very shortsighted and closed minded.
Do they mean as much as in by gone eras – no.
Riddle me this: how many of the top 50 pitchers on the all time wins list would you call “bad”.
My point being you can look at a pitcher w’s and make an assessment that he is a good pitcher. The best, better than another guy with a few less wins – I didnt make that statement.
So, disagreeing with the no room for debate statement “wins don’t matter” makes me
pompous.
Enjoy living in your world where everyone must agree with everything that you believe or they are pompous. How dare they disagree with web!
Longtimecoming
Stat – Cy Young had 511 wins. He was a good pitcher by anyone’s standards.
Dispute that?
Brew88
@websoul/Pads Fan and LT. both of you are correct, but maybe a bit overly entrenched in your arguments.
Of course wins is a general measure of a career. SPs who have racked up a lot of wins are usually good SPs. Thats has always been a consistent correlation no? Over a longterm assessment, it is an indicator of quality.
But in the short term, such as over the course of a year, it’s not a strong measure. The best pitcher over a season might get 10 wins and a mediocre SP on a good team might get 18.
I will add however that civility matters, even here. It’s a stat that gets overlooked. We can be nicer to each other.
Longtimecoming
Brew – always appreciate the dialogue. I didn’t think I was uncivil in my disagreement with the contention that wins a don’t matter. I didn’t call anyone a name of attach an adjective to their thinking.
I think your explanation makes my point. They do matter – you can’t ignore them. There is context to consider of course. They aren’t the best or the end all of stats / arguments for sure.
I agree that the game has lessened the importance of the W.
I just don’t agree with “they don’t matter”.
If Acee is right (and I think he is this time) Mazur doesn’t pitch again until 7/27 due to off days and AS break. If Yu is back, he doesn’t start again then and maybe never in 24 if Joe then comes back too.
I like him for 25 ST group of young arms but he has to go for now and really, not his fault that he isn’t ready and is the only arm – although I’m not sure why Brito/Kolek couldn’t be called on for 6 innings instead!
Brew88
The civility suggestion was not directed at you LT (was hoping you knew). But FIP and FIP- are far better measures. And sure there are no absolutes, and subjectivity is allowed. newenglishd.com/2013/07/06/the-nine-worst-20-win-s…
The Pads can’t keep rolling with Mazur at #5 but I’m not sure they have a choice unless AJ lands a SP at TD. Internally they could try to groom Brito but that has uncertainty. As bad as the 6-7 innings RPs have been, last nights game illustrates a dire need for long relief as well, they will need a couple of RPs who can save the bullpen and keep the game reasonable for 3 innings. At start of season I was hoping Brito or even Vasquez could fill that role. But circumstances have dictated otherwise. For short RP help, AJ may need to acquire 2 or 3 guys. Or internally maybe it’s time for Cole Paplham!
Longtimecoming
I sort of knew / hoped.
The no absolutes perspective is why I originally commented on “wins don’t matter”. I totally agree it isn’t the best stat to judge a pitchers performance though.
Agree on Vásquez and Brito and actually believe it can be true if 2 SP’s show up via return from IL or trade. They can both go a long at fixing the BP issues.
I may or may not like what happens but I would be willing to lay very good odds that AJ acquires a SP prior to deadline so, I think unless further injury, Mazur is AAA the rest of the way.
I’m not counting him out in 25/26 though.
Gwynning
Web- I would never suggest that ANY poster “stay out of” any discussion… unless were all talking about filihok! Haha
Motor City Beach Bum
Filihok would just mute you anyway! Pretty sure he did it to me.
Brew’88
Last year at this time I would have laid odds on Snelling being ready for a mid-season call up. But unfortunately, he’s taken a step back.
I’d be surprised if AJ spends a lot on a SP ($ or prospect capital), but if he does then it probably means one or both of Musgrove and Darvish are not being counted on for the rest of season. They might go for a rest-of-season rental – and of that group I like Eovaldi (but will TX be sellers?)
Longtimecoming
Same here on Snelling – I was calling him June call up as late as ST!
I hope it’s a back end guy with low cost / back of top 30.
That said, I think to avoid 2021, SD has to acquire a SP of some reliability.
King needs rest even if Yu and Joe both come back in August. Dylan hasn’t looked awesome the past 10 starts either!
Motor City Beach Bum
Preller is one of the few GMs I think would pay the price the Tigers will be seeking for Jack Flaherty who has pitched like a #1 or #2 this year (if he is healthy over the next 3 weeks). I like that he uses his prospects to get what he needs for his team. Still lots of time before the deadline and no doubt othercteams will become sellers and have starting pitching (Texas? Toronto? Tb?).
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Kikuchi would be a great addition to the Padres starting rotation. He is a free agent at the end of the year so he shouldn’t cost much in prospect capital. Toronto will definitely be selling. Texas on the other hand are on a roll and they will likely be in good shape to buy, so no Eovaldi.
Longtimecoming
ISOB – Kikuchi works as do a few other rentals. I think the Rangers are 50-50 depending on how the next couple of series go for them.
Mets the same – they have a few back end options but find themselves on 1.5 games out right now.
The extra WC and the NL parity should make this trade deadline interesting.
In the past, a close team wouldn’t dare to sell but with so many teams so close, some will need to cut bait with the WC in sight.
Similar to SD last year with Lugo and Wacha – close call.
Could SD be a buyer and seller? Solano’s bat makes benching him when X returns tough.
X to SS, what could they get for Kim in return? Add a young C not named Salas for a rental SP and a RP that they need? Shore up pitching while taking a little dip in SS D but keeping Solano bat in order over Kim?
Tatis and X coming back bring the power back and offset any Hr that Kim might hit that Solano won’t.
Just thoughts.
AJ could do anything!
Motor City Beach Bum
Your Kim and catcher not named Salas idea seems tailor made for the Tigers. A bunch of us Tigers fans think they should go after Kim in the offseason to replace Baez. A test drive of sorts and op to negotiate with him in advance of free agency. Interesting. The Tigers have Vest and Foley for good BP arms.
Xenophon
Subtlety is not your strong suit, grasshopper.
Wins might not be the most important metric, but that’s a far cry from “wins mean ZERO!”
Take any given year, and pull the three pitchers with the most wins. You’ll be shocked (shocked!) to see that those three guys will almost always have strong across-the-board stats for any way you choose to measure pitchers. They may not be the “best”, but good pitchers tend to win more games.
Duh.
Pads Fans
Buh bye. Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split ya.
If you don’t understand that wins mean nothing for pitchers then I cannot help you.
LOTS of stats that matter but wins are not one of them. ALL wins tells you is that the TEAM scored more runs than the other team. NOTHING about what the pitcher does.
Pads Fans
What is pompous about laying out the facts?
Pads Fans
People like longtime don’t like inconvenient facts. Take a look at most wins in a season this century and you will find only a few that were the best pitcher that season.
baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_top_ten.shtml
Why? Because ALL the win stat measures is how many runs a team scored compared to the other team, NOT how the pitcher performed.
Porcello had the most wins in 2016, but was not in the top 10 in ERA, FIP or any stat that actually measures pitcher performance.
Pads Fans
Cy Young had 749 COMPLETE GAMES in 815 starts.
All of the pitchers in MLB combined have not pitched 749 complete games over the last 16 seasons. The game is different.
Get OUT of the 19th century.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Sorry Gwynny about the two game sweep. Tried to give you some chances in today’s game but you still have to execute. That one thru the wickets re: Arraez was suboptimal.
Pads Fans
Wins mean nothing for pitchers. Only teams. Zero. Nada. Zip. Diddly squat.
Because pitchers don’t throw complete games anymore.
Cy Young had more complete games in his career than all of the pitchers in MLB combined have the last 16 years.
Wins DID matter in the 19th Century when nearly all games were finished by the same pitcher that started it. From 1890 to 1911, the period Cy Young played, 86.9% of games were complete games.
This season there have been 17 complete games out of 2750. That is 0.6% complete games. not even 1% of games.
If longtime can’t see the difference in the game that is on him.
Wins mean nothing when measuring pitcher performance.
ERA does
FIP does
ERA+ does
Even things like WHIP, SIERA and xFIP do.
SO9 and BB9 do too.
Wins doesn’t.
Even the HOF recognizes that fact. Look at the last 7 pitchers to be enshrined.
Halladay – 203 Wins
Kaat – 283 Wins and he pitched mostly in the 70s and 80s and had 180 complete games in 625 starts
Moose – 270 Wins
Rivera – Reliever
Smith – Reliever
Hoffman – Reliever
Morris – 254 Wins and he had 175 CG in 527 starts
Not one met the 300 Win threshold that was considered the minimum in the 20th Century. 3 were strictly relievers.
Why? Pitchers don’t pitch complete games anymore and haven’t for decades. Relievers pitch 3 innings per game on average this century and that is growing each season.
Why does civility matter more than facts? If someone keeps repeating something completely and absolutely wrong, why are we supposed to just suffer fools?
Kash Considerations
Any warm body without the surname Jones, Skenes or Keller can be had from Pitt- and cheap!
Pads Fans
Cbeisbol is filihok.
Longtimecoming
Pads and Bucs have had some trade history in recent years. Could be another.
Pads Fans
Wins mean ZERO in determining pitcher performance today. Until starting pitchers start throwing mostly complete games, wins will continue to mean nothing in measuring pitcher performance.
Just posted about that. In this century only a few of the pitchers with the most wins had the best ERA, ERA+, FIP, or WAR. In other words they were not the best pitcher. You know what every single one of them had in common? Their TEAM scored the most runs when they were pitching.
Porcello had the most wins in 2016, but he was not in the top 10 in either ERA, FIP, or WAR.
In 2018 Snell and Kluber were #1 and #2 in wins and neither were #1 in ERA. FIP or WAR. Snell was 2nd in ERA and 9th in FIP. Kluber was outside the top 10 in both ERA and FIP. The undeniably best pitcher in baseball that season was deGrom who had 10 wins. Not his fault the Mets only scored 3.5 runs per game in his starts or that the Mets relievers had a 4.96 ERA that season which was good for 28th in MLB
Verlander had the most wins in 2019, but was #4 in ERA, #9 in FIP, and #4 in WAR
Urias had the most wins in 2021 and was #8 in ERA and FIP and not in the top 10 in WAR
Wright had the most wins in 2022 and was not in the top 10 in ERA, FIP, or WAR.
Strider had the most wins in 2023 and he was not in the top 10 in ERA or WAR and 2nd in FIP.
You seeing the trend there?
Brew88
I never said civility matters more than facts, that’s just you having a conversation with yourself? Or you don’t take the time to read. but I did said it matters.
Brew’88
The Tigers could be interested in the mid-tier catching prospects on the Padres (and there are some good ones), but not likely Kim. They don’t need Kim this year so they might as well make a play for him as FA (he’ll be expensive though).
Brew’88
It’s day 2 of you having an argument with no one in particular about the trivial importance/unimportance of Wins as a metric.
A fact that no one in the 21st century disagrees with: Wins is not the most diagnostic metric of a SP performance (and I don’t see anyone here disagreeing with that).
False dilemma: You’re all flared up about this Pads Fan, with big CAPS to boot, and as far as I can see in reading the comments, it makes little sense that you are. It’s like arguing that the earth isn’t flat, when no one (here anyway) suggested that it was. See Smeagol.
Logical fallacy comforts the mind but raging diatribes suggest pain internally. Your argument that Wins is not the most important stat for SPs is a bit mid-to 3/4- 20th century. Passe. So please get with the FIPs and such and leave that old, dead argument behind.
But I’m curious, what’s your opinion on Holds?
Motor City Beach Bum
I don’t expect they would go for Kim in a deal for Flaherty but if they wanted to have pity on us fans they might grab him in the offseason and DFA Baez!
Longtimecoming
Brew – I opted for mute button yesterday.
Good luck.
Gwynning
The best is when he and Harambe hijack a post and just argue about some trivial BS…
*Eyeroll*
It’s legitimately embarrassing to the all the other Friar consiglieres here, for real. Cheers fellas!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Man I haven’t seen Harambe in a good clip. Unless he’s under a sock puppet now. Spying and doing due diligence on us all.
Longtimecoming
I haven’t seen him or Fili or Ryan, now Pads Fan in a while – they got a button for that!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I try to only mute the most obnoxious or hopelessly asinine accounts that never provide even an iota of useful information or humor factor. That being said I was perusing my mute list and found it peculiar/funny that I had somebody muted who had a paid subscription badge. Not that all people who pay membership will have enlightening remarks but you would think they wouldn’t be outright dumba$$ trolls haha.
Motor City Beach Bum
Every team seems to have a few of them. You can’t even talk to them. They are happy to tell you they know everything and how everyone else is an idiot! Colavito is the worst for us Tigers fans. I’ve taken to skimming their posts and just moving on.
Brew88
Isn’t he Fernando Ringworm jr?
Brew88
Harambe
Gwynning
That and I believe he’s also Bauer is Waiting, Brew. He kept pounding that drum like an ape with a barrel… anyway, I shall refrain from wasting more of my precious hot tub time on non-baseball talk! Haha
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
This is like the longest thread since Ippei got busted for betting/stealing lol lol.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pads Fans
I don’t disagree with your point, but it is not a novel thing to argue and your tone today (not always) is unpleasant
Brew88
Well said Manny. Wish I had just said it that way.
Pads Fans
You must have him muted. I answered his posts.
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Kash
Bryan Reynolds can be had but the price will be very high. O’Neill Cruz can be had but the price will be very high.
websoulsurfer
Thanks SOB. Happened in my 60s, but finding out from people in cardiac rehab and support group that it can happen at any age. Take care of yourself and know the signs. it saved my life.
websoulsurfer
Pompous is jumping into a discussion and being too sure of yourself while being totally wrong. When you don’t know what you are talking about, just stay out of the discussion.
websoulsurfer
Ryan/Harambe/et al has multiple accounts and he is still on here most days
Kash Considerations
Eh, I meant pitchers Manny… I was trying to stay on subject! You’re not wrong though.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mets
Nah, his stats show that he is a brittle ace.
Americanentropy
And Friedman’s effort to impose load management restrictions to maintain pitching health seems to have been for naught.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Seems like a minor injury. And they will continue to be on load management. Losing more regular season games than usual is not a big deal. They’ll keep recycling AAA starters and marginal bullpen guys to eat up innings. Not pretty but hopefully majority of starters and bullpen arms are available for the playoffs. All you can do is plan, and hope for the best.
BlueSkies_LA
To the more general point, what’s the evidence these “precautionary” midseason IL stints are advantageous when the real rubber hits the real road in October? I’m gonna say, nothing points to them being worthwhile. But this is only based on what we’ve actually seen.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The metamucil and bulk fiber supplements are helping with my load management.
BigFishPike
Glasnow, Musgrove, Snell, Bieiber, all learned the Roger Beshens Football Slider in 2018.
Giolito learned it 2018, shortened arm path in 2019 exclusively cause he can tunnel both the FB and RB Football Slider the same way.
CantStop27
Only the Dodgers can use fake injuries and league does nothing about it. Mets did it and right away got disciplined lol
differentbears
Everyone is basically hurt in some way at this point of the season. It’s just a matter of how serious and if a team wants to give them a mandated time to rest.
Brew’88
including us fans, I’m looking forward to November when I can start my recovery
Xenophon
Which injuries were fake? And how do you know?
And you’re an Angels fan, so…..LOL
mp9
The man from middlesex !!!
never 2 late to make the show
Datashark
Last few games were rough, but stopping a player can also break their rhythm and may cause further injury on abnormal rest — it can also refresh a player we will see how this turns out but he was piling on innings
UncommonSense
Tyler Glassalways
highflyballintorightfield
Mets have to be saying, What the heck, do only we get punished for this?
Poolhalljunkies
Ok everyone who had july 9th in the pool?
junkmale
It’s officially summer: Tyler Glasnow has hit the DL.
highflyballintorightfield
Dodgers should be thankful the rest of the division is not putting any pressure on them as it’s looking pretty rough. Miller appears to be a heavy sweater and can’t get a grip on anything offspeed. Biggio played a routine chopper into a hit. Smith can’t throw anyone out.
BlueSkies_LA
Perspiration is definitely a problem.
Mojo37
yeah it was a lot more humid on the Dodgers side of the field tonight
Shrutefarm
Uh, Will Smith is top 5 in all of baseball, not just the NL, in throwing runners out. I know it was a tough night, but let’s take it easy a bit, lol.
But I agree with you on Miller. He’s not major league material at the moment.
Brew’88
It’s hard to pitch wearing a heavy sweater El Guapo
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
The Glass Man
Rays in the Bay
Yup. As a Rays fan I know the two sides of Glasnow. Very good when healthy… But usually in rehab starts. Sucks but that’s the risk the Dodgers knew when they traded for him.
CBeisbol
ISoab
“I would be embarrassed if my team won the World Series in 2020.”
I know, right
So embarrassing to win the world series. At least every other team was smart enough to not win.
BigFishPike
Glasnow does not want to pitch in All Star Game.
Brent Strom just may be telling Glasnow your boy Roger Beshens and me have been hanging out at Chase talking Football Slider.