There’s now just three weeks until the July 30 trade deadline and many clubs will have to decide whether to buy or sell or a mix of both. Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow recently appeared on today’s episode of the Fenway Rundown podcast with hosts Chris Cotillo and Sean McAdam, with Cotillo and McAdam both writing up columns at MassLive after the podcast.
Perhaps most notably, Breslow suggested that the Sox would pick a buy/sell lane, as opposed to trying to walk a fine line between the two paths. “The lane that we pick is going to be dictated by a host of considerations and none more meaningful than what is happening on the field,” Breslow said. “So I’m still adamant and committed to picking a lane. We’re going to get more and more information over the next couple of weeks. But the one thing that we can do that helps steer that direction is to win as many games as possible on the field.”
Choosing how to approach a deadline can be a tricky one for a front office executive, as Breslow himself highlights. “My job is different than the job Alex (Cora) has or the job that the players have, whereas they can be almost singularly focused on doing everything that they need to do to prepare to win that night’s game, I have to think about how we can best be positioned to win tonight’s game and tomorrow’s game and next year’s game. Trying to balance all of those things is is difficult at times.”
That difficulty sometimes leads decision makers to try to opt for a mix of buying and selling, something that Red Sox fans are surely familiar with. In 2022, the club was hovering around .500 as the deadline approached. Then-CBO Chaim Bloom traded Christian Vázquez to the Astros for Wilyer Abreu and Enmanuel Valdéz in the most clearcut “sell” move but also held onto impending free agents Nathan Eovaldi, Xander Bogaerts, Michael Wacha, Rich Hill and J.D. Martinez, while “buying” by acquiring Tommy Pham from the Reds and Eric Hosmer from the Padres.
That plan didn’t work out in the short term, as the Sox slid further back in the race down the stretch and also struggled in 2023, which led to Bloom being fired and replaced by Breslow. The Vázquez deal looks better in hindsight with Abreu becoming a valuable contributor while Valdez has served a multi-positional role on the club, but the hindsight also cuts both ways as the decision to not trade the other candidates looks unwise now.
Given the frustration of that deadline, perhaps it’s refreshing that Breslow is declaring that he will lean into one camp or the other, though he still hasn’t decided between the two paths. The club is 49-40 and currently holding the final Wild Card spot in the American League, with teams like the Royals, Astros and Rays not far behind. As Breslow mentioned, the results in the next few weeks will help him make his decision on how to play his cards prior to the deadline.
If the Sox remain in a playoff spot, it seems fair to expect Breslow will pick the buyer lane and he gave some clues as to what he might be looking to do in that scenario. He used the “You can never have too much pitching” cliché and also mentioned a right-handed bat as a possibility.
“You can never have too much pitching. You’re always an injury away or, a handful of unfortunate outings away from being in a hole and, at times when you don’t have starting pitching depth to get through the second half of the season, that places a pretty significant burden on a bullpen,” Breslow said of the logic of looking for pitching. In terms of the offense, he says that the club is “also pretty left-handed heavy (from an offensive standpoint). The chance to maybe look to add some right-handed offense could make sense.”
The Sox currently have a rotation consisting of Tanner Houck, Nick Pivetta, Brayan Bello, Kutter Crawford and Josh Winckowski. Houck was quite dominant earlier in the season but his results have slipped a bit in recent weeks. He had an earned run average of 1.91 after his outing on June 6 but a 5.19 ERA over his five most recent starts. That could be random variation but it’s also possible that there’s some fatigue setting in since his tally of 111 innings this year is already a personal best at the big league level. Winckowski and Crawford are somewhat similar, as neither has gone much beyond the 130-inning range before. Bello has a 5.19 ERA while Pivetta has good strikeout/walk ratios but with ongoing home run problems keeping his ERA above 4.00.
Overall, the rotation has been a strength this year, as Boston starters have a collective 3.59 ERA that is seventh-best in the majors. But there are some question marks in there and the depth isn’t amazing. That’s thanks in part to Lucas Giolito, Garrett Whitlock and Chris Murphy all requiring season-ending UCL surgery. Chase Anderson is in the bullpen as a long man but has a 4.89 ERA despite a very lucky .203 batting average on balls in play. Bryan Mata is on a rehab assignment but has mostly been pitching in stints of two to three innings. Brandon Walter has been on the injured list all year. Cooper Criswell has been pretty good this year but Brad Keller has had fairly tepid results.
All told, there would be plenty of sense in adding to that group, especially if any of their current rotation members are going to hit any kind of workload limits. Cora recently spoke to McAdam for a piece at MassLive about providing breathers to the club’s starters, though those plans haven’t been finalized yet. And as Breslow mentioned, an injury could happen at any time and increase the need. Some pitchers that could be available at the deadline include Garrett Crochet, Erick Fedde, Tyler Anderson, Griffin Canning, Yusei Kikuchi, Cal Quantrill, Austin Gomber and Trevor Rogers, among others.
As for the lineup, as Breslow said, it skews left-handed. Tyler O’Neill, Connor Wong and Ceddanne Rafaela are the only right-handed hitters on the club who have stepped to the plate 180 times or more this year. Getting another righty in there could balance things out but the most obvious spot to upgrade would be first base and the club could have Triston Casas coming back. “You go around position-by-position and you look at where we haven’t gotten the production that, that we would need,” Breslow said. “And obviously Triston is a huge loss that we need to overcome, but it seems like his rehab is going and we would expect him back.”
The Sox have received a tepid slash of .226/.316/.384 from the first base slot this year, which translates to a 94 wRC+ that is 19th-best in the league. That includes strong work from Casas, who slashed .244/.344/.513 in 22 games before landing on the injured list due to torn cartilage in his midsection. Dominic Smith has taken most of the playing time in the absence of Casas but has hit just .227/.327/.355. Both Smith and Casas are lefties, so the return of the latter wouldn’t change the lefty-righty balance but it should nonetheless upgrade the overall offense if Casas is healthy and back to his old self. Casas has not yet begun a rehab assignment but is taking dry swings and could progress to hitting off a tee this week, per Alex Speier of the Boston Globe on X.
If the Sox try to get another righty bat onto the roster regardless, some of the potential candidates would include Luis Robert Jr., Taylor Ward, Brent Rooker, Justin Turner, Danny Jansen and others, with other clubs perhaps pivoting to selling in the coming weeks and making other bats available.
As for whether the Sox could take on money at the deadline, Breslow was optimistic on that front. “Anytime that I’ve been around,” he said, “or been aware of this team being in contention, playing meaningful games, staring down a potential playoff run, the resources have been there. I don’t anticipate this even going any differently.”
Per the payroll data at Cot’s Baseball Contracts, the Sox were among the biggest spenders in the league for most of this century but have pulled on the reins more recently. As recently as 2019, they had the top payroll in the majors but came into this year 12th with an Opening Day mark of $171MM. For competitive balance tax purposes, the club’s number is currently at $208MM per the calculations of Cot’s and $218MM in the eyes of Roster Resource.
The lowest tier of the CBT is $237MM this year, so the Sox should have ample room to take on money even if they want to stay under that line. Though that’s also contingent on Breslow’s framing of the club’s willingness to spend real dollars being correct.
acell10
no. hahahaha and buy low? He made another all star team. If you’re trolling you need to try harder than that.
User 401527550
The Orioles couldn’t even afford to pay him. Who is he kidding?
acell10
yea piss poor trolling from you it is.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
And you pull out the pretending to be rich card wow dude your so cool we all worship you now
acell10
So you’re proud of being bad at being a troll. Good for you.
acell10
you think was funny? now you’re getting even more pathetic you’ve had enough negative attention for one day and now you seem to be sundowning.
acell10
awww you think that’s funny? I’ve got you so wound up that you can’t help yourself but reply even though humor isn’t really a skill of yours. Just an FYI that when you start acting this desperate and thirsty it’s embarrassing.
acell10
I’m not angry just pointing out your follies. And telling me how I feel actually did get a laugh of me so good job there. Also Way to almost use vibe check correctly in this context though.
In fairness I guess I don’t know you’re trolling. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt because I didn’t want to assume you’re this stupid and disagreeable on the internet or in real life. But Perhaps you’re not trolling.
Occams_hairbrush
People who fight with trolls and think they’re “winning”
acell10
People who don’t get that they’re not fighting with trolls but making fun of them.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Yeah that simp icon guy was the biggest troll glad he got banned you probably couldn’t stand him either
ibuititnoonecame
The way he keeps talking means to me they are not going to make a big move. More of the same with no action Sox
acell10
define a big move? the team is over achieving and as a fan I’m pleased but it’s not worth making a big move at this time as they’re still pretty far away from a world series. They’ll probably add on the margins if they do which makes sense
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
According to pythagorean win / loss record, they are overperforming by one game only.
Fever Pitch Guy
ibuit – Let’s put it this way, ownership has made it crystal clear they won’t try to win until MAT is firmly established as Red Sox starters. John Henry is like the fictional female dog who owned the Indians in the movie Major League, he’s rooting against them for financial reasons.
holecamels35
The key to them winning is Michael A Taylor??
What will you give up for him?
B dog 351
Best line in that movie. Your Lucky I am a to afford to pay your salary. Lol
Rsox
They are probably not going to sell the farm for Crochet and nor should they. The way several teams are in the peripherals of both in and out of the race at the same time i don’t think we’ll see many “big moves” happening
all in the suit that you wear
ownership has made it crystal clear they won’t try to win until MAT is firmly established as Red Sox starters
======================
This is false.
acell10
FPG is lying again. no surprise there
deweybelongsinthehall
Acell10, I’m late to the game here and where is FPG lying? We don’t always agree and he doesn’t need me putting my two cents in but of course I will. The team this season is doing better than expected in spite of Henry not opening his purse. Where is the lie? Ownership treats the team as an asset in a large corporation. Plain and simple. Given the prices charged, fans deserve a better effort.
Occams_hairbrush
He’s not “lying” he’s just disingenuous. For him to actually be lying he’d have to have a true opinion. Which he doesn’t. He’s a troll.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
His analogies are senseless and terrible as well. Comparing Henry to a female dog? That doesn’t even make sense.
FPG is sounding more senseless the more I read.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Fever Pitch Guy doesn’t technically lie but he uses broken down metaphors and insinuates conversation through baseless accusations
acell10
FPG lies constantly. see above statement about “people” wanting to trade Devers. Also he said female dog in a lame attempt to avoid violating the commenting policy.
KyleT
Dewey:
“Where is the lie?”
You talk about what the Red Sox have done. FPG is talking about what will happen. The lie is telling everyone that it is “crystal clear” what the Red Sox will do. Thats a lie, no one can see the future.
I dont understand why so many people feel the need to temper his points and defend him. He could easily make his point, while still being reasonable, he just chooses to say it in the most ridiculous way, to elicit a reaction.
deweybelongsinthehall
Because he’s blunt and usually with supporting references?
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m not Fever but I’m just as angry as Henry. For all he did when he first bought the team, the team is no longer his focus. That’s the problem. He used to try to win while watching financials and now it’s all money
deweybelongsinthehall
Kyle, it’s frustratio and based on ownership’s lies (full throttle, etc.) until we see action, we (as in fans) only expect more of the same. If ownership cares about winning, Dombrowski would likely still be in charge.
KyleT
“supporting references”
Where?
There were no supporting references and the what he said was ridiculous. Which is the reason several people called him on that comment.
KyleT
“he used to try to win”
4 Championships doesnt get Henry any slack? 30 teams, that means the average team celebrates a championship every 30 years. You couldnt wait for the re-build that took 5 years?
This is why people dont like Boston fans. At least 15 or 20 teams would switch ownership with Boston if they could.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Owners said they will go all in when the next generation arrives what’s your problem dude get over it
KyleT
Mi Casas = FPG 2nd account.
KyleT
“until we see action”
The action is all the trades to bring in younger players. Its building towards a much better Red Sox team in the future, as they rebuild.
When the Red Sox traded Renfroe for JBJ, David Hamilton and Alex Binelas, it wasnt to acquire JBJ. It was to acquire two prospects and take on JBJ’s Salary. The action is there, its just a longer game plan. For whatever reason, you dont want to see it.
B dog 351
That got lucky with Hamilton.and until he plays a full season , I would not put to much stock in him. What about signing Story ? That was to save $ on Bogey. Mookie Betts = Connor Wong !! Really guy . Yoshida signing what is your reasoning there? They needed another left handed DH type player? How about not trading guys Evoladi, JD , and Bogarts!! They let them walk with no return.
KyleT
“They got lucky” Lol.
“Mookie Betts” = Connor Wong, Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice. Right?
I see youre nitpicking every trade/nontrade/signing/nonsigning that didnt work. I cant help but notice youre not complaining about the Valdez trade or letting DuVall or Turner walk.
You can pick the worst of the worst moves over a 5 year period and believe whatever you want. I like to look at the whole picture as in all the moves. And the whole picture shows, time and again they were building a young team with speed. And this year’s team is an early indicator its going to be a powerhouse and fun to watch.
acell10
one off the top of my head was when said “people are these parts wanted to trade Devers” which is a lie
jmi1950
One year of Mookie — he was never going to sign in Boston for any amt. of $$$.
B dog 351
Nitpicking !! Betts is a generational player . We got Wong. That’s was a ridiculous trade . Duran , Casas , Rafaela , Houck . Them are DD guys . Not Blooms . Turner what was the reason for getting him in the first place . He was old they weren’t in contention . JD was cheaper and younger.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
A lot of his references aren’t backed up by credible sources. He just assumes that they are and tells us these assumptions by tampering them with his own opinions.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
If you want the Carl Crawfords, Pablo Sandovals, and Rusney Castillos, keep the same guys we’ve had in power pre-Bloom and that’s what we get.
A lot of these guys looked good on paper and just flat out stunk on the field when they were tied to big contracts.
Don’t tell me you wouldn’t complain if we stacked up on these players and couldn’t move them? Because Sox fans did complain. When we spend less money to avoid these big contracts, fans still complain. Point is, people complain no matter who is in power, but I’d much rather fail and not be tied to big money contracts then be in a bad spot moving forward for the future. We’ve been screwed by bad contracts many times.
Dombrowski dodged a bullet. Bloom bailed him out by trading Price. Sale was another that I actually like but backfired. Watch the Phillies in two years and see if they still have a good team. Their window is now. If they don’t win, they’ll fade fast.
It’s funny how you all complained about our pitching in the beginning, that we didn’t spend enough on pitching, but now you pivot your argument to something else to complain about when our pitching turned out great (without a lot of money invested either).
B dog 351
If memory serves me , wasn’t Sandoval and Crawford Ben Cherington signings! Bloom bailed out DD with getting rid of Price . lol. What did he do with the $ saved ? Over payed for Yoshida and how is the Trevor Story contract working out. The pitching , I am giving Breslow credit for the coaching staff he brought in. I personally always liked Houck I never was one of the posters who insisted he stay in the bullpen. Back to Houck if he continues on this path which I hope he does. Once his contract is up. Plan on him in another uniform. These cheapskates won’t pay him .
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Yes, they were Cherington signings, but DD came in with a similar “spend now” philosophy.
Bloom made his fair share of mistakes but some of the trades he made (albeit questionable), have been more effective in helping us for the future, which Cherington and DD rarely had.
KyleT
“Duran , Casas , Rafaela , Houck . Them are DD guys . Not Blooms .”
DD drafted, signed international players, and made many trades. For the future, he left behind 4 or 5 players that he brought in. Those players took an additional 3 years to reach the majors. Last time I checked it takes 20 to 30 quality players to compete. Listing 4 players and believing that was sufficient enough to field a team that would compete for a championship is a joke.
B dog 351
I am curious do you remember 04, 08 , 13 or are you not old enough to remember? How many of those guys were homegrown 4/5 . Which franchise has 1/2 of the amount a players you mentioned that are homegrown ?
Trollfree
jmi1950 – Why do you think that?
KyleT
Bdog aka Boomer:
You drinking late last night? Your comment makes Zero sense. Im the one saying you need to build from within, Youre the one saying “heres 4 names that DD drafted, he left the team in great shape, even though they wont make an impact for 4 years after he leaves”. Smh.
all in the suit that you wear
Rsox: Agreed. I doubt the Red Sox are going to give up any of their best prospects for a rental player. They might be able to get someone good right at the deadline in a reasonable deal like when they got Schwarber. I think they are willing to make a deal, but I doubt they are willing to overpay at his point and that’s fine with me.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think Alex Cora’s head will explode if they don’t add at the deadline.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Agreed, Cora has a lot riding on the team’s performance this year. If there’s another collapse he will be blamed and his next contract won’t be as big as he’d like.
DBH1969
Folks, if the expiring contracts are not traded, then we get nothing for them at end of season. That is the same mistake Bloom made the past 2 years. The team is improving, no need to hold on to expiring contracts. Let the kids play for the experience of it and getting them conditioned to a full season at MLB level.
I love the kids just as much as the rest ofyou, but we need to think realistically.
Duran and Ceddanne are playing everyday, they will tire. I expect september to be rough for them, in a good way. Good condition comes at a cost. They will have to play through it to get to the goal.
Tanner is already over his season high in innings, he will have to go throug it too. Most of the team will be in that situation.
This season should be about these learning how to survive a full season of play, while trading off expiring contracts, with an eye on a deep run to the playoffs next year.
Buying might get us an extra couple of wins in standings, but it’s not worth blowing up the future.
Just think of this season as the first half of 2025. Kinda like 2003-2004.
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – if the Sox are in a WC spot or within 5 games of one, the backlash they’d receive for selling would be massive.
GASoxFan
There’s also something to be said for getting your first postseason jitters out if the way as well…
all in the suit that you wear
GA: Good to see you. How are you?
GASoxFan
Suit: Not dead yet!
I think that’ll be my new motto.
Enjoying the season? I suspect/hope breslow will package some of the rule-5 eligible deadweight to bring in a pair of average if unspectacular relievers for depth and a RH journeyman IF.
The bloom years left an impending glut of guys needing 40-man slots, but, who aren’t really good enough to demand them on a team in its competitive window.
Always possible things go south on the winning and it turns into a sale on expiring contracts.
all in the suit that you wear
Yes. This season is pretty fun so far. Hopefully the Red Sox can pick up some help while keeping their best prospects.
GASoxFan
It’s actually concerning to me as well though. I’m worried about Bailey and the new program. The sweeper is probably the worst pitch to throw for elbow strain. I’m concerned about short term gains vs long term injuries.
all in the suit that you wear
It’s true. I don’t know why teams are going that route.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Great to see you posting again! Been awhile, how ya been?
Yes postseason experience is huge, players have confirmed the postseason is nothing like the regular season. Some step up to the added challenge of the intense spotlight, while others choke.
I’m not a huge football fan, but this quote from Bum Phillips reminds me of the “you gotta learn to crawl before you can walk” analogy:
“Last year we knocked on the door. This year we banged on the door. Next year we’re gonna kick the SOB in!”
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Great minds think alike! I had told Olm the exact same thing, righty backup infielder to replace Westbrook and a Robles/Davis pair of buy-low relievers to continue the churn (Wingenter had a great debut, right?) Its always about the aesthetics with them, talking through the side of their mouth like a snake oil salesman.
Every time I hear Kennedy talk, it makes me want to vomit. “We will acquire talent to help the team win now. We have the resources and we want to win now”.
Screw you Kennedy!
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Remember, Henry wants to model the Rays …. and that’s the exact approach the Rays have always had. They put their pitchers at risk because they never plan to hang onto them for very long. Other than Bello, which Sox pitchers have more than 2 years remaining on their contract? NOBODY!!! Whitlock has 2 years, and Bello … that’s it!
GASoxFan
Fever – Absolutely been a while. I’ve read the site, but, so many times I write most of a response, click to a different tab, and, when I come back a spam ad is on the page that, once closed, the entire comment section is gone until refreshing the page and… yup, comment with it.
So, it’s more annoying than worth to retype the same things.
I do think the “pitching is expensive” mentality opened the door to Bailey’s plan with the sweepers. Combine that with how common TJ is, and how poor outcomes are the rare exception these days.. well, let’s think about it.
Figure normally theres 6+ years of control with guys usually playing a partial year their first time up. And, also figure a desire to not pay market rates amd long term deals to keep most pitchers around. Would you rather 6 full seasons of mediocre results, say 4.5-5 era? Or, add a sweeper, get 4 seasons of 2.7-3.4 era performance, and know you’ll have a lost 18 months to go through TJ before cutting the kid loose?
Not every pitcher needs the sweeper, but, if you can make a #4 pitch like a #2 for those 4 years…. well, I figure that’s the game plan.
Rsox
As of right now the Sox sit in the third Wild Card spot with only 3.5 games seperating them from the first spot (and 6.5 behind the Orioles in the AL East). Trading O’Neill, Pivetta, Jansen and Martin would be devastating, not only to their postseason chances this year but also the message it sends the players and the culture of team.
They may lose all four next winter, they also may re-sign some of them (O’Neill and Pivetta seem most likely). Worst case you extend all of them qualifying offers and get draft pick compensation if no one accepts
Trollfree
Rsox – So here is the counter argument for why they should be dealt if possible.
1 – What if this team peters out and doesn’t make the playoffs and you keep them all? Opportunity Cost is HUGE.
2 – You can’t do QOs because it will mean huge raises to all these guys even Kenley who will qualify for AARP next year.
3 – Do we want an OF who can’t stay healthy for $20MM with a QO when you have Duran, Rafaela, Abreu, Refsnyder and Anthony coming soon?
Red Sox chances of making the playoffs with these guys or without these guys is almost the same. Why? Look in the rear view mirror. What do you see? Houston running it’s train at 100 miles per hour with Boston at 70. They have 3 more losses than Boston and have 70 games left. They will move into the 6th spot very soon. KC has 2 more losses than Boston with the same 70 games left so they are a constant threat to move ahead of Boston. The Twins have one less loss than Boston so they are a potential gain for Boston if they can pass them with 70 left. The Yankees have had a tough stretch and tons of money to get help. They are 3 games ahead in the loss column and far more willing to spend money than Boston. Texas is 8 games behind Boston in the loss column but need to be considered despite being behind Tampa Bay by 2 games and tied with Detroit. Why? They have deGrom, Mahle, Dunning returning soon for the pitching staff which has been injured all year and their starting 3B and Left Fielder (Jung and Carter) are also returning soon. Picture playing without without Houck, and two more starters and then getting them back for the stretch run or picture missing Duran and Casas and getting them back for the stretch run. Texas has both examples happening in the future. They should make a run at Houston by year end so here are the contenders and why it is not likely the Red Sox will make the playoffs so they need to be sellers.
1 Baltimore is a lock to win the EAST
2 Cleveland is a lock to win the Central
3 Houston or Texas are likely to win the West
4 Texas or Houston is likely to be WC1
5 NYY likely to be WC2
That leaves the following fighting for the only spot not currently coveted by an elite team.
Boston who has gone through a recent hot spell which always leads to a cold spell which brings fans back to reality.
Minnesota who is talented but usually finds a way to screw up down the stretch.
Kansas City who is like Boston playing beyond expectations. The big difference is KC has an elite player in Bobby Witt and all Boston has is Devers who can’t field. Boston and KC should stay close together in the standings.
Tampa Bay who is an enigma. They never have talent but they win. This year not so much but nobody ever knows when their luck will kick in and they could go on a run. Not likely but it could happen.
Detroit who is another unexpected team in this discussion. Skubal has been phenomenal and the rest of the players are playing beyond their true talent. It wouldn’t be shocking if they stayed around Boston in the standings too.
Toronto who has been horrible is only one loss behind or nine games behind Boston today. They don’t have the chemistry to make a run to pass all the teams in front of them so the list ends here with a team that is out of it.
So, looking at the situation, do you really read buyer from this data or do you read let’s play for the future and move players so we can add quality prospects and reduce future commitments if possible? I vote seller with a few sneaky buys that improve the long term depth or set up an off season move that gets Boston a big right handed bat that plays 3B so Devers can move to DH FINALLLY!!!
Trollfree
OOPS I left off Seattle as yet ANOTHER team likely to finish ahead of Boston. My bad. I think the point has been made though that selling is the way to go with strategic buying only happening at good prices.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rsox – You think the Red Sox will pay market value for Pivetta on a longterm contract? And you think they will do the same for O’Neill when they’ve already got 3 starting OF’ers under team control for many years plus Anthony on the way?
Sorry but the odds of the Red Sox signing either are very, very slim. I wish they would extend Pivetta, but that likely ain’t happening.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Awesome post! I agree the Royals, Mariners and Astros aren’t going away and the Rangers could still make a run.
Yankees will make some big acquisitions as they always do, and the Twins have too much talent to fade.
So you’ve got 5 really strong competitors for 3 WC spots. It won’t be easy for the Red Sox, one long slump and they are likely toast. But crazier things have happened, so as they say STAY TUNED!!
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – I think the AL West is the hardest division to call, could be any of Houston/Texas/Seattle.
Should be fun to watch, even though the division title will be meaningless because of the WC.
Rsox
Pivetta maybe, O’Neill probably not.
Either way they need to go for this season and try to win. Cora called it out when he said the attendance is more out of towners getting the “Fenway experience” than actual Red Sox fan and Kevin Youkilis even saidc”winning cures everything”. The fan base hasn’t had anything to be excited about since ’21 and this season’s team is a young exciting group that many seem to be missing out on
Fever Pitch Guy
Rsox – My understanding is the Red Sox haven’t made any attempt to extend Pivetta, so I would be surprised if they throw their hat in the ring when he’s a free agent with several suitors. Did you see MLBTR has him ranked in free agency? As the 4th-best pitcher, behind only Burnes & Fried & Flaherty. He’s gonna get paid very well by some other team, unless he totally implodes before the end of the season which I doubt.
I totally agree with you on everything else, and thanks for the Cora quote as I missed it.
The other day during a game Middlebrooks screamed out “Wake up people, this is a great team here”. What he doesn’t realize, the past 5 years have deteriorated the fanbase. The fans aren’t as interested and certainly don’t trust ownership. If there’s any chance of fans being won over, it will take time. Just like Tampa ….. which is ironic because John Henry always wanted to emulate them, and in some negative ways he succeeded.
GASoxFan
Fever- this season was already a success for Boston. There’s a lot of games left to play, but, I think I was one of the few to predict this season would see a good improvement over the last 2 year’s records.
I think the one thing left to prove this year ISNT getting a WC – if it happens, great. But, no, what’s left to prove is proving to free agents that Boston will *try* to win. Don’t strip the cupboards like LAA did last year. But also don’t screw the pooch like bloom did. Montgomery went on record in SI that he didn’t want to play for the red sox or Henry because of the track record of not *trying* to win.
So, small additions, spend assets you’re going to cut bait on or lose to rule 5 anyways, and, roll the dice.
AL34
They have to go in for this year and not sell. Two years of last place finishes is enough. This team. This team needs to compete and the fans deserve that as well. What are they going to sell and go for it next year, Come on! This team has not competed since 2001 now.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Don’t worry they won’t finish last this year
Trollfree
AL34 – It’s early. Boston may hit one of it’s bad runs and then going for it will be an effort in futility like in the past. This team isn’t good enough to win the World Series or even make it to the series so do you give up opportunities for future success to watch a one and done effort in October. Will that really be better for the fans or would a team without Cora and a manager comparable to the coaches Breslow brought in be far more likely to have a shot at the World Series in 2025?
This young core is moving into it’s prime years not coming out of them so 2025 holds much more promise.
KyleT
“This team has not competed since 2001 now.”
What?
MafiaBass
Devers isn’t going anywhere even if the Red Sox do sell. Are you out of your mind?
Fever Pitch Guy
Bass – I don’t blame Fletch for thinking Devers is available, considering how much talk there’s been around here about getting rid of him.
But yeah, it ain’t happening as long as he continues to put up the numbers he’s been putting up and playing a tolerable 3B.
smkelly1970
only if the Sox can also pay off what’s left of Chris Davis’s winner of a contract.
acell10
more lies from Fever pitch guy, There’s been no talk around here outside of him and maybe Trolled/KD17 about getting rid of Devers
MafiaBass
For me, all the speculation has been about either moving him across the diamond, displacing Casas, or displacing Yoshida at DH.
In my mind, they should have signed Matt Chapman and figured it out.
acell10
So overpay for a guy who’s had disappointing offensive numbers for the past 2-3 years? no thanks
teddyj
Giain’ts grossly over paid for Chapman.
deweybelongsinthehall
There has been a lot of talk including from me how the defense has to improve. That said Devers was overpaid and thought by me to be not movable. However Duran’ s turnaround has been remarkable and Devers recently has been above average at third. Dom Smith has also been better than expected. Hopefully Valdez does not return as he continued to be a weak spot with the glove. Devers though is playing like a leader. His decision not to go to the ASG speaks volumes. It is important to the team he gets a few days to rest as until Casas returns, he is the most important player in the lineup. Finally, the Sox do need a righty bat and Turner fits their budget and needs. While I doubt a complete return to last year would happen, a change of scenery might help and I’d take 75%.
Armaments216
If they need a right-handed bat, Thomas from the Nationals could very well be the Lane they pick.
Fever Pitch Guy
Arm – The following statement from Breslow means he either wasn’t truly aware of the past, or he flat-out lied. Because absolutely ownership told Bloom last year no more additional payroll prior to the deadline.
“Anytime that I’ve been around or been aware of this team being in contention, playing meaningful games, staring down a potential playoff run, the resources have been there. I don’t anticipate this even going any differently.”
Breslow’s “been around” means when he was a Red Sox pitcher in 2006 and 2012-2015, he’s right about that back then.
But he wouldn’t have a clue what went down in the front office during the Bloom years, other than what guys like Henry, Werner and Kennedy told him …. which obviously was 100% crap.
DBH1969
@FPG. You don’t need to add to payroll if you are trading Jans3n, O’Neill, and Martin. Toss in a bad contract swap of Yoshi and trading one of the extra 2b prospects and you can improve the team without spending more and without blowing up up the future.
Will it be easy? No. But Breslow is supposed to be the smartest guy on the planet. Time for him to go to the desert with his chalk borad and return with a working bomb.
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – Going ahead and trading those players would be contradictory to his “pick a lane” stance.. So I really think they either become sellers or they do nothing at all …. I’m leaning toward nothing at all, just like last year.
They’ll get a righthanded bench player and a non-impact pitcher, that’s about it …. purely aesthetics to make it “appear” they are GFIN.
KyleT
“Because absolutely ownership told Bloom last year no more additional payroll prior to the deadline.”
Another lie. How would he know, and how does that effect this year? Red Sox are 18M below cap right now. They would certainly be will to add another 12-15M, they just dont want to break the first threshold.
atmospherechanger
You’re currently 9 games over .500, holding a playoff spot. You state that you haven’t decided whether you’re going all out to win this year.
This is Major League Baseball, the highest level of a professional sport whose primary objective for playing is to WIN. This is what we get with “The Model”. You are either all in or you cash out half way through the season. Good grief.
mlb fan
“9 games over
.500″…It’s very difficult to disagree with your sentiment and points. The Redsox front office & ownership are more like politicians and spin doctors these days than team owners desperate to win.
Fever Pitch Guy
atmos – Totally agree, but history has shown ownership doesn’t care about winning.
Last year on July 28 they were 9 games over .500 and just one loss out of a WC spot and playing well. But ownership told Bloom no more spending so they didn’t add anybody prior to the deadline except garbage Luis Urias. The decision devastated the team, and they immediately went into a freefall after learning ownership didn’t have faith in them.
all in the suit that you wear
The Red Sox need to decide, and have probably already decided, how may innings the young starting pitchers will throw this year. If Bello, Houck and Crawford are going to be shut down early, then a deep playoff run is not happening and it is better to sell.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
So many dumb comments here like the island of misfit boys these are 3 pitchers 25, 28 and 31 years old not 20 year Olds like you claim Bello pitched 157 innings last year and is on pace for same pivetta 179 in 2022 on pace for much fewer none are getting shut down if innings was a concern they’d be doing 6 man rotation give Cora Bailey breslow some credit they aren’t idiots making dumb comments on a website
all in the suit that you wear
Innings pitched is certainly a consideration, especially for Bello and probably for Houck with his injury history.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
In his defense, Sox were in a winning position the last two years and look what happened. The season is long and far from over.
I don’t believe FPG is right about Bloom not spending money… pretty sure that is fabricated.
all in the suit that you wear
FPG has no idea what ownership said to Bloom or anyone else…just like the rest of us.
Big whiffa
It’s a business first, the primary objective is to make money
Fever Pitch Guy
Big – If money is spent wisely, revenue and therefore profit goes up.
The Yankees basically broke even last year because money was poorly spent, otherwise they could have had a huge profit.
holecamels35
Pretty pathetic ownership and front office if they decide to sell with a team performing so well. So what if they’re overachieving, they banked the wins already and getting another piece ir two will make sure they stay alive.
Blackpink in the area
I highly doubt they sell at the deadline. This is the Red Sox not the Mariners.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Mariners aren’t going to sell at the deadline. Last year we traded our closer for our current third baseman and right fielder, so I don’t really see that as selling either (plus we had a loaded bullpen).
Blackpink in the area
That trade worked out for the Mariners for sure. But it was still a sellers move.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Mariners also traded Robbie Ray, which was more of a “sell” move
Blackpink in the area
Yeah Ray deal also was a sellers move although again it was a good trade. Getting out of that contract was good for them.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That’s where I disagree. I think Ray is still of value
Blackpink in the area
Ray could certainly come back and provide some value but his contract is ugly. He signed it coming off a great year he since had a bad year and then got hurt.
James Midway
Lane Thomas? The fast lane the slow lane what lane?
drasco036
Unpopular opinion but Manfred has made baseball significantly more interesting with the expanded playoff format and later trade deadline.
User 401527550
Yes very unpopular opinion.
User 4245925809
Think they should give every team a participation trophy for playing all 162g as well. Makes as much sense as allowing 1/3 total teams into the post season.
drasco036
NFL 14 teams, Basketball 16 teams, Hockey 16 teams, Baseball 12.
User 401527550
Basketball and Hockey take three months for the playoffs . That’s ridiculous. I went on a month and half vacation to Europe and the Celtics were in the second round. I was home in time to watch them win the Finals. That’s ridiculous.
Occams_hairbrush
That’s fascinating.
MLB Fanatic
It’s not if TV ratings and gate receipts are up for contending playoffs teams. Whiners gonna whine.
Big whiffa
Right ! Playoff atmosphere is on a whole nother level than reg season. More is better
Fever Pitch Guy
drasco – The trade deadline hasn’t changed much at all, and actually is earlier than usual this year (July 30 instead of July 31).
Also an argument can be made the game is less interesting than it was with the expanded postseason. As a result you have weaker teams qualifying for the postseason, and division titles have become almost meaningless. Never again will we see all-out battles for division titles like the 1978 Yankees/Red Sox season.
The Braves and Phillies will both make the postseason, so who cares about which team finishes first? It’s kinda sad September doesn’t matter nearly as much anymore, and it’s all about money as usual.
drasco036
Fever,
Let me guess, you’re over 50.
It’s true that less people care about divisional races but the fact that more teams are fighting for a playoff spot makes it significantly more interesting to more fan bases. There is a lot more chat on social media platforms about what teams should/shouldn’t do because there is a lot more reason to debate.
Only people who look at baseball in a vacuum, such as yourself, see baseball as being “more interesting” without the wildcard teams. Baseball is more interesting on the macro level now, not the micro. It isn’t geared for individual fan bases, it can’t be. Manfred understands this and Selig did not.
The fact of the matter is baseball would still be dying its slow death, possibly dead already if not for the steroid era, if Manfred didn’t modernize the game.
People without business minds just don’t get it. Rules have to be in place so guys like Judge and Soto end up in New York. Betts and Ohtani in LA. Baseball has to be stretched across streaming platforms, it has to be talked about as much as possible on social media fronts. For baseball to survive it has to be ran as business, like the NFL. It has to be marketable and it has to be watchable and accessible with the younger generations.
drasco036
A.) I’m in my 40s and one of my wife’s and I side business is running a digital marketing company. So, I’m going to go out on a limb and say I know a little bit more about you on the importance of social media when it comes to marketing as it relates to any business in addition to baseball.
B.) Selig nearly ruined baseball because he regionalized it vs Manfred who’s bringing it more not only to a national audience but an international one as well.
Selig also put rules in place that encourage tanking where Manfred is working in ways to correct it.
Feel free to tell me the ways Selig “modernized the game” more than the universal dh, the expanded playoffs, pitch clock, limiting shifting, bigger bases and so on. Manfred, like it or not, modified rules to adapt to the bigger, faster, more athletic, better coached and better scouted modern player.
How many teams right now are within 5 games of the final wildcard spot? Exactly, more fans are interested because more fans have hope of the playoffs. That also equates to more talk on outlets and social media.
Manfred works for the owners, that is true, but don’t act like he isn’t the guiding force for rule changes. His job is to make baseball more profitable, which he is doing.
Fever Pitch Guy
drasco – So since you do marketing for a living, I don’t need to tell you the importance of knowing your target audience … correct?
I have a friend who markets a drink that reduces BAC. They market extensively via social media and use several influencers for promotion of the product. Why? Because their target audience is 20-somethings who go bar hopping and partying far more than any other demographic. And what’s the best way to reach 20-somethings? Social media.
But that is simply not the case with baseball’s target audience. Baseball has always appealed more to an older and more conservative demographic who typically doesn’t use social media all that much.
I could list a TON of ways that baseball was modernized and became more profitable while Selig was commissioner, but why would I do that if you still insist on giving credit to the commissioner himself? I suppose you think Manfred came up with the pitch clock, even though it’s common knowledge Theo was the driving force behind it. Manfred is a mouthpiece, nothing more.
As for profitability, just read this Forbes article.
forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2013/09/28/selig-r…
I’ve already pointed out there’s virtually no difference between WC2 and WC3, when they added WC3 it brought them even closer to mediocre teams which is where the majority of teams reside. So naturally teams fighting for a third WC won’t have much better chances than they would fighting for a second WC. Look at the standings for once and you’ll see how many teams are hovering around .500
drasco036
Do you know what “targeted audience” actually means? It’s not the people who, in this case, watch baseball. It’s the people you WANT to watch baseball.
I’m not going to reply to the pitch clock comment because that is just too stupid. Same with the Wild Card. I get it though, you’re narrow minded, it’s fine. Keep fighting change. You said it yourself, you’re older and conservative, I.e. against progression. Enjoy your Clint Eastwood movies
acell10
narrow minded is a spot on description.
Fever Pitch Guy
drasco – You’re clearly ignorant, but if you believe anyone doesn’t understand what the word “target” means then you have far more issues than we realized.
I gave a very specific detailed example of using social media to target 20-somethings for the detox beverage because they are the ones who get drunk most often. How that sailed above your head is beyond me, but considering how quickly and often you showed your hatred of people over 50 speaks volumes. You are a hardcore ageist, I hope your therapist can resolve your issues before you randomly attack some elderly woman for simply sharing the air that you breath.
I won’t even ask why you think the pitch clock is stupid, as you clearly don’t have all your faculties. The only one who is fighting anything is you by denying all the great improvements that happened prior to Manfred becoming commissioner. I’m guessing you have a poster of him in your basement room, scary stuff.
Yeah you keep thinking that all the “older” fans here who have welcomed the pitch clock, the universal DH, interleague play, pitcher roster limits, minimum batters faced requirements, and so many other changes are somehow “fighting change”.
Any psychiatrist you’ve already seen would point out you’re trying to justify your hatred of people over 50. Let’s hope your access to “older” people and small animals is very limited.
Trollfree
drascoo36 – Progress for the sake of progress. You must be under 50!!! Creating illusions to bring people with money into the ball park to be entertained not because they love baseball but they love being part of the spectacle. You are part of a generation that lives for entertainment not sport. Pitch clocks and Shot clocks so fans can get to their next distraction in life. It should be the motto of the shot clock. So many changes because the target audience is a mindless generation of over socialized people with money.
Did anyone take into account whether the poor folks who can’t afford tickets to the game and simply watch on the internet on their phone think of the numerous changes to the rules? NOPE. We let the elite big dollar folks who spend the money that pays the players the exorbitant salaries decide what parameters need to be met to make the game better.
Yes, a game should be defined by length of time that matches the attention span of a generation of non baseball fans that need new distractions in their lives so they can be well rounded rich people living full lives. All that while the blue collar folks huddle together and try to see if they can afford the cheapest seats and the local stadiums.
Your tirade on Fever is pure ignorance. Why? It’s called Age Discrimination. Sports started as an athletic competition and was played because people had talent that suited the rules of the game. The values of a generation were reflected in the rules and the game itself needed strong leaders at the top to keep the integrity of the game. 1919 showed the integrity of the commissioner in trying to limit cheating. He represented an era that is long gone from sports.
Changing the rules, selling out to gambling organizations and allowing cheating without punishment is the current generation of sports. We older people are as willing to dismiss our values so bad decisions can be marketed into being politically correct in the eyes of the fair weather fans.
When I read your last comment I was offended as a member of Fever’s generation and values. I also recognize when someone is completely wrong in their comments and chooses to call the opponent names to feel better about themselves. That weak debating but I don’t know do you even understand their used to be rules about debates too but some commissioner probably changed those too!! .
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Great response as always!
It amazes me how ageism is basically the only form of hatred and discrimination remaining here, and people like Drasco are allowed to immediately show their hatred of “older” people.
Funny thing is, he claims to be in his 40’s …. which means if true (highly unlikely though) then he himself will be hitting 50 soon enough. Then what will he have to say? LOLOL!!!
cwsOverhaul
RSox can finish better than Royals/Rays/Mariners (if Hou wins ALW) in WC race just being a modest buyer.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Rays in the wild card race? Have you checked the standings?
cwsOverhaul
Agreed. The writer cited Rays as “not far behind”, so included them in my argument that RSox don’t need to make a massive move like they are holding off juggernauts.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That sounds reasonable, thanks for the clarification
Just Rob
So, apparently the Sox fans don’t have an encyclopedic memory of past Oriole’s trades, for which they should be forgiven.
However, Devers wouldn’t have a spot on the O’s 26 man roster, which j think was the point of the joke, which also went over the Sox fans’ heads, which is a less forgivable fopaux.
Rsox
We get the joke, it just stopped being mildly amusing several threads ago.
And if the O’s could get Devers they would have no problem creating a spot for him
Just Rob
Disagree completely. O’s value defense, need to allocate their resources to retaining their young talent (and perhaps resigning Burnes), and are the best hitting team in the league already with Mayo (potentially a younger, less expensive, harder hitting version of Devers) in 3A waiting for a spot on the 26 man.
Not saying Devers isn’t a good ball player. Only saying he isn’t a fit for the O’s for several reasons.
acell10
In fairness Rsox the joke was never funny to begin with. It was pathetic trolling that’s even beneath trolls like FPG and KD17, well maybe not but pretty close.
Bruin1012
If the Orioles value defense so much they won’t move Westburg off of third to place the poor defensive Coby Mayo at third yet they probably will. Mayo is no upgrade defensively in fact whenever he is called up and plays the O’s defense will be significantly worse than it is right now.
Fever Pitch Guy
Just – Fact is in the AL only Gunnar (and Judge of course) is a better hitter than Devers, the O’s have NOBODY else in the Top 12 for OPS with the closest being Westburg who is 136 points behind Devers.
Devers would be a huge offensive upgrade but this whole discussion about him getting traded is a massive waste of time.
User 401527550
Yes both jokes were pretty bad. Devers has decent shot at being league MVP this year. I know Henderson having a hell of year but Devers is right there with him.
Bjoe
He has relatively no shot of being league MVP this year.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Dumbest comment I’ve seen in a long time third best ops in the league fool.
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m not sure why you poo-poo Devers as MVP. It’s way too early but if the Devers that we’ve seen the last few weeks is what we get the rest of the way, Boston will be the #1 WC. No one is laughing about his fielding right now and he should be walked every key at bat given his lack of protection. No disrespect to Wong or whoever is there behind him but it’s not protection. Let the year play out before you give out awards. Do I expect Devers to continue like this? No. Especially not in the field. If it does however and the pitching holds up, this team can win. They’re fun to watch right now and credit goes to the players. My concern though is if they win without increasing payroll, Henry will continues to limit overall spending.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Most people here don’t even realize Devers started the season hurt and batted only .188 with 2 HR and 5 RBI during the first 3 weeks of the season.
He gave everyone else a 3-week head start and he’s STILL got the 3rd-best numbers in the league right now.
Take away those first 3 weeks when he shouldn’t have even been playing, and he’s the clear cut MVP leader right now.
deweybelongsinthehall
Late response Fever. In full agreement. The play Devers made last week in the 8th inning was beautiful to watch.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – He’s made several nice plays, definitely improved from last year. Obviously the pitching staff hasn’t suffered because of his defense.
Poolhalljunkies
Rob. You are crazy for thinking you can talk smack in a red sox thread and not get a dose of reality for assuming this O’s team will do anything more than any of the rest have in the last 40 years….lets start a nineteen eighty-three chant shall we?..lol
Just Rob
I didnt say anything about what I think the O’s will do this year.
For what it’s worth, I think it’s tragic that they lost 3 arms (plus their closer last year) and that’s derailing the first season they’ve had a legit #1 (ignoring Bedard) and a legit shot at a WS since Mussina. Their pitching staff is a nightmare next year too (it looks better if they open the bank for Burnes); so probably have to hope for 26 as an O’s fan.
I also didn’t talk smack. Devers doesn’t fit on the O’s. That’s reality.
Fever Pitch Guy
Just – So you’re saying Urias & Westburg would block Devers at 3B and he wouldn’t even be worthy of full-time DH.
Well alrighty then …
Blackpink in the area
If they picked a lane in the offsesson perhaps they would still have Chris Sale. That has to be frustrating for Red Sox fans.
MLB Fanatic
That’s in the rearview mirror. Red Sox have played better than expected so they work with what they have and is under the CBT line.
Sabermetric Acolyte
To be honest, not really. I always have to wonder about pitchers who suddenly start getting back on track with a new team. Would they have done the same with the original? Don’t get me wrong, this isn’s a sour grapes post. I’m happy for the guy and the trade truly has worked out best for the Braves. But I’m still hopeful Grissom will do something next year. If not then c’est la vie.
Blackpink in the area
Sale was a good pitcher who has injury problems. I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t have had a good season for the Red Sox in 2024. And for him they got a guy who hasn’t helped at all.
mlb fan
“I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t have had a good season”…Just a bit of advice for rookie GM Breslow. Don’t trade with advanced GMs like Alex A. lest you get fleeced and end up paying Chris Sale big money, while the Braves reap the benefits.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t think trading Sale would have been a mistake if the Red Sox “picked a lane” as the article suggests they are going to do now. He was a risk. So was the ONeill trade. Why trade for ONeill then deal away Sale? It just didn’t make sense at the time and now looks really dumb.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That guy (Grissom) they got will be here for years to come. It was a good gamble, even if we don’t see results now.
Big whiffa
Only thing frustrating about sale is that it proves Atlanta is through and though a better organization than Red Sox. Sucks to admit it but it’s true.
all in the suit that you wear
Shouldn’t we wait to see if Sale can make it through the year before evaluating the trade? And see what Grissom does in his 6 years of control?
MLB Fanatic
Nice low-effort, troll attempt. O’s can take that money to resign Adley and/or Gunnar in a few years.
JackStrawb
You’re going to decide to ‘pick a lane’ when you’re currently the 3rd wildcard?
How about, instead, making a move sooner rather than waiting?
Sabermetric Acolyte
Even if the Red Sox sell… who do they actually sell where it would be a major detriment to the team this year? A large part of the core of Devers, Rafaela, Bello, Houck, Casas, Crawford, Duran, Wong, Abreu are still young and controllable or in some cases already signed so they aren’t moving unless it brings back immediate help as a larger deal.
That kinda leaves O’Neill (one year deal), Yoshida (underperforming), Pivetta (walk year), and Jansen (walk year). Pivetta only gets traded if the Red Sox decide they’re out. O’Neill, probably won’t net enough to make him worth trading. Yoshida won’t get enough interest. And Jansen… well if they think someone can take over as closer then why not trade him for something that can help.
As for buying… well yes, you can always have more and better pitching. But depending on what happens in the next few weeks I’d almost say the Red Sox shouldn’t make any major moves. This was a team that wasn’t supposed to compete and they’ve somehow created an identity. Might be worth standing pat even if it means risking losing out on the playoffs if it also means not sacrificing the future.
Big whiffa
Yeah to me it seems tbey tipped their hat at buyers. Vlad jr and gausman would be the prize get. That ss is bouncing back this year in the minors and bello is under a good contract. Those 2 plus a couple more prospects and jays will have to consider
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
You never trade with a team in your own division. It’s very rare anyway. Toronto is not going to want to see Vladdy kick their a$$ 13 times a season and likewise Boston doesn’t want to see one of their prized prospects kicking their a$$ for the next 6 years as a Blue Jay.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – I think it depends on how much longer is remaining on the traded player’s contract, or how much team control.
Rental players do get traded within the division, as Pearce did in 2018 and of course Dugie this year.
Can’t remember how many years left on the contracts of Clemens, Wells, Bush and Lloyd when they were traded between Toronto and the Yankees.
Lanidrac
Well, trading in your division is okay if one team is a clear seller who is trading away rentals. It’s not like a team out of playoff contention cares if their former player beats up on them just for the remainder of that season.
In this particular example it wouldn’t happen, though.
acell10
most if not all teams take the best deal available at this point regardless of in vs out of division.
Lanidrac
If they’re selling, anything they can get for guys like O’Neill and Yoshida is better than letting them walk for nothing.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lanidrac – The big difference between the two is they’d be selling low on Yoshida and selling high on O’Neill.
They’d also have to eat some of Yoshida’s contract.
jmi1950
Casas, Criswell, Hendricks Grissom & Yorke could be better than anything on the trade market short of giving up 1 or 2 top prospects. I think they need to try Yorke at AAA 1b/3b and maybe he could be the RH bat that they hoped Dalbec could be. If they could get Evouldi for 2 second level prospects do it.
mercurymets
I think the Mets and Red Sox may match up well on a trade that can help each other out for this year. I am wondering if Quintana/low level prospect for Jansen may make sense for each other. Essentially swapping salaries and giving each other help in areas they both are seeking (starting pitching for Boston and relief for the Mets).
LordD99
You want the Red Sox to weaken their bullpen and give up their All-Star closer while they’re fighting for a WC position?
Horace Fury
I’m sorry to hear that Breslow is being forced to say they’ll either Buy OR Sell, which is what picking a lane means, I guess. But it looks to me that the Sox will be best served by dealing away some players (the team has played well enough without Chris Martin and Tyler O’Neill that they could go) while also looking to acquire players at positions of need with control–of course, every other club wants that, too, and the targets are few, and the competition will be fierce. It’s possible that this trade deadline is another uninspiring one just because of the numbers–but at least it won’t be because of Bloom’s intransigence or dithering.
LordD99
How could they not be buyers?
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Bello sucks again can’t even go 6 innings with a 9 run lead send him down
acell10
struck out 11 and probably should have come out of the game based on pitch count but yea send him down. Good thing you’re not the GM
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
ERA over 5 isn’t great in any circumstance. He has -.3 WAR. It’s not benefitting any party to have him pitch like this.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I said put him in the Minors but got a lot of push back earlier in the year for that. I said he should go to AAA and Winck should take his rotation spot.
acell10
You justifiably got that push back. Wink didn’t exactly light the world on fire as a starter so far either. Bello needs to keep working at the MLB
Mi Casas es tu Casas
You are smarter than others except toll free this is bellos third year he keeps getting worse can’t blame Bush anymore bello is a headcase doesn’t even know how to remove gum
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Still say send him to the Minors.
I agree about Winck, but he’s not as bad as Bello. Bello is odd man out.
None of Bello’s numbers in the Minors have correlated to MLB. He’s a completely different pitcher in MLB.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Troll free is one of the biggest trolls on this forum. Your point?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Right now I’d take Cooper Criswell. Send Bello down
Fever Pitch Guy
Casas – He just signed a very long contract, so we are stuck with him.
He’s had two consecutive starts against bad teams. His next start will be against a good Royals team, then another easy matchup against the Rockies.
Let’s see if he can straighten out his head by then. I’ve been saying forever that it’s just mental with him, he proved that yet again with all the strikeouts in his last start before imploding again.
bcjd
They might not buy if what they need costs too much. Are you prepared to trade a top 20 prospect for a half season of a slugger or starter? Marcelo Meyer for Nate Eovaldi, perhaps? If the team is a marginal playoff team, it doesn’t make sense to mortgage 6 years of control for a small bump in playoff probabilities for this year.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Any more hard feelings on missing the Bogaerts signing but instead getting Devers? I think Bloom made the right move. What about you, @Fever Pitch Guy? Still on the Bogaerts bandwagon?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They really should try to trade Yoshida… he’s taking up spots on the team and we don’t really need him. That won’t be easy though…
rememberthecoop
Despite their record, I’m not sold on the Sox. Their starting pitching just doesn’t make for something sustainable. They need pitching – go get Lorenzen from Texas and maybe someone from the Rays. But if they keep winning, they have to be buyers.
Motor City Beach Bum
Or shoot higher and grab Flaherty from Detroit. He’s pitching like a #1 or #2. Jim Bowden said they could get a top 5 and two top 30’s from a team with an average system. Kristian Campbell, Chase Meidroth and either Cespedes or Romero. Tweak the deal a bit on either side. They’re not winning a playoff series with their rotation.
acell10
That’s a massive overpay for Flaherty especially given that sample size of 1/2 level pitching happened only this season outside of one five years ago. I wouldn’t be using Bowden as any kind of barometer for what the return should be in a trade as he couldn’t predict 6 o’clock at 5:30
Motor City Beach Bum
Another site just listed the #11 and #16 prospects in the Brewers stacked system for a trade for Flaherty and said it might not be enough. I listed your #30, #17 and either your #7 or #11. Pitching costs. Like I said tweak the deal on one side or both. The Tigers have bullpen arms too.
Not necessarily an ideal fit as the Tigers badly need a young SS and writeups suggest Cespedes might move off SS later on. I’m not sold on Romero either. Meidroth and Campbell fit the hitter profile the Tigers look for but Meidroth doesn’t seem to be great defensively.
Hopefully Breslow buys this year, whether they go after Flaherty or not. Cheers.
acell10
Again the sox aren’t going to give up Cespedes or any prospect in their top 10 for that matter let alone multiple top 20 players for a rental pitcher who’s basically wildly underperformed his entire career and happens to be on a hot streak.
all in the suit that you wear
Campbell is probably in the Red Sox top 5 now. Baseball America just ranked him no. 89 in their latest top 100 prospect list. I’m guessing they are keeping him for now.
Motor City Beach Bum
I was unaware of that and can see why he’s moved up based on his stats. Makes sense they would hang onto him. Cheers dude.
Motor City Beach Bum
And yet there are people saying that is exactly what someone will be giving up for him if he’s healthy. Based on what “all in the suit that you wear” says, it looks like Campbell has moved way up in the rankings so doubtful those 3 players I mentioned would work out unless there were more parts involved. I guess we’ll see if that someone paying the price for Flaherty this year is Breslow. You know your GM better than I do. Cheers dude.
acell10
if the people include Bowden who deals mainly in hyperbole I wouldn’t take that too seriously. A return for Flaherty will most likely be slightly better than what the cards got for him last year. He’s still a rental and still doesn’t have that great of a track record.
all in the suit that you wear
It will be very interesting to see how much teams paying for pitching. Cheers.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox aren’t trading Cambell and Cespedes for a rental let’s be real. Cambell has been one of the biggest risers value wise in baseball. Your prospect rankings for Boston is old news. Campbell is now top 5 in the system and will a top 100 prospect easy Cespedes is probably 7 in a very deep stacked Red Sox farm system. Cambell by himself is probably too much.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Flaherty is a solid pitcher. Had some shaky years, but I agree that we can’t unload out whole farm for him, though he would be an option to help us now.
Motor City Beach Bum
My bad. I was clued in to updated prospect rankings for Campbell. Cheers
Motor City Beach Bum
One if your fellow Boston fans clued me in to Campbell’s updated prospect rankings. I agree they would not trade those three players. My bad for looking at old info. Cespedes would be fair game but it sounds like he us destined to move off SS and probably not the best fit.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
What about Nick Yorke? With Grissom here, and a crowded infield, I would assume he could be tradeable.
I doubt we trade him though if we don’t get many years of control for the player we receive.
Babyprototype
Exactly. IFhe’s pitching gems over the next few weeks he has LOTS of value. And not just as a rental. Again, IF his back holds up and he’s cooking the QO would be a no brainer for club to make and for him to refuse. Compensatory pick would be like a 2nd rounder
acell10
Cespedes would not be fair game for a trade of that nature is the point.
Motor City Beach Bum
I like Yorke. I saw an article where they suggested he might get some time at 3B. The Tigers could move Jung or Keith around to accommodate incoming players as well so 2B or 3B could be an option. He gits the hitting profile the Tigers look for and is close to MLB ready. Nothing saying the Tigers couldn’t include more players who are not rentals in a Flaherty deal if the two sides matched up. Cheers dude
Motor City Beach Bum
I think it was Fansided maybe who recently proposed Lara and a good pitcher from Milwaukee (#16 prospect) for Flaherty and suggested it may look like a light return. Lara is the #11 prospect in Milwaukee and ranked #91 on one site I looked at. Cespedes is ranked #90 on that site. They are both 18 years old I believe and have proven nothing in their very short careers. Perhaps Cespedes is ranked higher on other sites, I don’t know. He is exactly the level of prospect that multiple sites are talking about the Tigers getting back for Flaherty, plus more on top of that. I’m not sure where you are getting your info that he is off limits but like I said in a previous post you guys are Boston fans and follow your team closely and I don’t, so if there was indication from the team he is untouchable I will take your word on it. Cheers dude. Thanks for the chat.
acell10
Fan sided isn’t the most reputable site when it comes to baseball trade discussions so let’s start there. Again Cespedes is a top 5 prospect in the sox system. They are not going to give up a guy in the top five of their system which is a strong one for a half year rental. I’m not sure where you’re getting “multiple sites” but if that includes Jim Bowden and Fan sided I’d suggest you find better sources.
It’s not that Cespedes is untouchable, it’s that the sox wouldn’t move him for a rental that happens to be overachieving this year. I highly doubt Yorke would be part of that discussion either. Someone like Matt Lugo or Blaze Jordan is more realistic.
all in the suit that you wear
I doubt Campbell and Cespedes will be traded at this point.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Another dumb comment why would sox give talent for a pitcher with back injury have you ever tried pitching without a healthy back
Motor City Beach Bum
Pretty sure he’s back pitching this week. No-one said it was an injury, just a sore back. You’ll notice most of the other commenters didn’t feel the need to be insulting. I looked at old prospect rating from MLB.com and was corrected by some Boston fans who are up on their team. Just like I’m up on my team and have followed Flahertys injury closely. The trade I suggested IS too much now that Boston fans in the know have clued me in to Campbell’s updated ranking.
Fever Pitch Guy
Motor – While I agree backs can heal, I would think a team would want the player to prove they are healthy for a period of time before acquiring said player. Let’s see what happens with Flaherty over the next 3 weeks.
Motor City Beach Bum
I agree with you. The next 3 weeks could be the difference between the Tigers getting good prospects back for him or absolutely nothing.
He seems comfortable and is pitching well in Detroit so I’d be happy if they traded him and circled back to sign him in the offseason. I think they made a mistake not doing that with Lorenzen this offseason. Cheers dude.
mlb fan
“Committed to picking a lane”..English translation of Bres-speak: “Just so we’re clear, we are completely committed to not making a lane decision right now, but when we do make a lane decision, we will decide at that time to pick one lane or the other lane”.
Fever Pitch Guy
mlb – Really the whole “pick a lane” mantra is so stupid.
So let’s say the Sox become sellers, but have an opportunity to acquire at a reasonable cost a front-line starting pitcher with at least two more years of team control … they won’t make that trade because they are officially sellers?
Or lets say the Red Sox pick buyers and Abreu catches fire and O’Neill craters again while missing several days here and there because of his knee, but a team is willing to acquire him for a RHB that is team controlled through 2027 …. they won’t make that trade because they are officially buyers?
Moral of the story, why confine themselves to strictly buyers or strictly sellers? Just because they choose neither last year and both the year before doesn’t mean they should turn down good trade opportunities.
olmtiant
How bout bringing J. Turner back.. wouldn’t cost much and a true professional.. can play field…funny thing.. I want to add but not at the expense of the top prospects.. so that leaves us getting Brais back for Teel
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
We have too many infielders and outfielders as is
DBH1969
*claps olm on the back*
olm, listen to uncle dbh…Your guy is gone, bro. Let it go. We are not trading our starting catcher for the next decade for Briaser. And no, we can’t trade Casas or Houck for him either. We tried getting him back by offering John Henry, but they said no. Sorry.
olmtiant
Dbh… John Henry and Tom Warner?? Thank you for the tough love!!! I’ll have to root for Slaten ( baby Braiser) and Booser for now on… letting go is the toughest thing to moving on….
DBH1969
I get yq. I am still not over Fisk, and it has been almostv45 years lol
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – Yeah that was a brutal blunder. And he killed the Red Sox every time he faced them.
Didn’t they also mail Lynn’s contract late too, but yet somehow were able to trade him anyway? I can’t remember the details.
Fever Pitch Guy
olm – As long as Yoshida is on the team, Turner wouldn’t be a good fit.
That ship sailed when they decided to make Yoshida a fulltime DH.
olmtiant
FPG.. absolutely.. and trying to move Yoshi would have to eat lots of cash.. question.. who would this right handed bat replace.. Hamilton/ Yoshi?? RR replaces WA.. thoughts??
Fever Pitch Guy
olm – Westbrook, they need a decent RHB who can play infield. He’s not the answer.
spitfire
The Bloom Vasquez trade was just ordinary. Vasquez can hit can’t field n doesn’t hit with enuff power to equalize his fielding. Abrue is a fair player n fielder nothing special, but any team could use him. I like Breslows selection of players so far, he’s not gonna be perfect, but dramatic improvement over his predecessor’s incompetence with the cast of characters he brought in in clouding hiving good money to an already injured Story. Big fudge, Robles, Diekmann the Walkman, and so many ins n outs can’t remember all the losers. Not to mention his horrific Mookie trade, n didn’t even get a hood pitcher back. I like Wong but he’s no Fisk behind the plate, not even close, although he’s a decent hitter, good guy love his attitude. Long gone is Cordero, Winnie still around, barely. Ok I shuddup now.
spitfire
Sorry bout typos!
Fever Pitch Guy
spit – There was nothing ordinary about that Vazquez trade, it was an absolute steal. Look at how badly he has performed since then, and how good Abreu has looked since then. Even without Valdez that trade was a steal.
bcjd
Eovaldi for Giolito at the deadline. Who says no? How much salary would need to be picked up to get to yes?
Texas is going to be selling at the deadline. Eovaldi has 1 year left at $20m.
Giolito won’t be back until next season, but has 2 full years left at $19m and $14m. Sox need reinforcements this year, but don’t want to mortgage the farm.
I say if the Sox picked up the salary for both until Giolito is back on an active roster, Texas might bite. So Sox pay Eovaldi prorated $19m for this year, and $20m for next year. They pay Giolito this year, and maybe half of next year. Texas pays $9m plus $14m for a year and a half of Giolito, starting next summer.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Texas not selling. They’re on a win streak and the bats have decided to wake up. Only 6 games out and less in the Wild Card.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Texas would be flat out stupid to take Giolito. You can’t just benefit the Sox and not the other team
DBH1969
Eovaldi has not reached the 300 innings to trigger the 20 mils next year.
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – Exactly, that’s why he’s being referred to as a rental.
acell10
everybody involved should say no especially the red sox. The Sox need to find healthy reliable starters. Swapping one injured player for another injury prone player doesn’t make much sense.
Trollfree
Breslow’s comment about picking a lane is interesting because there is SO SO MUCH LUCK going on right now how can he guess which luck is going to run out. Which over performers are going to peter out and need to be replaced down the stretch?
Devers, O’Neill, Duran and Casas are legitimate hitters who won’t need replacing unless there are more injuries so if Boston won’t fix the defense at 3B then the four positions for hitters that are NOT needed are 3B, LF, CF and 1B.
The catchers second base and Abreu are by far the most likely to disappear after the all=star game based on their career numbers. Picking up a catcher makes no sense since Teel is just around the corner and Boston has lots of outfielders so that makes no sense either.
Yoshida sucks as a DH and they need a RH bat so that makes the most sense along with a 2B that can hit and field. That’s a pretty narrow offensive lane Breslow is looking for.
The pitching staff has the reliable Houck, Crawford and Pivetta. They have enough experience that they shouldn’t disappear after the all-star game. The bullpen has Hanley and Hendriks to close games and that’s better than most teams. So where is the Breslow pitching lane going?
Two starters would help but we’ve asked for 2 starters since last Sept so that probably won’t happen. Bello isn’t cutting it but he can be sent out there as the 5th starter and hope the offense can outscore the other team like against the OAK Athletics. So maybe ONE starter could improve things. It’s annoying when people talk about money for a starter because money shouldn’t enter the discussion with the enormous profits being made right now. Think about the fact that they wasted $300MM on Devers, $18MM a year on Yoshida, $23.3MM a year on Story, roughly $20mm a year on Giolito and $17MM so we can watch Sale pitch in the all-star game once again but for ATL!!. Money is NOT a consideration. All that matters is Breslow or his coaches have a connection with someone on another team who might be a little off and they think they can fix him and make him productive in the second half. Then money will be spent just like with O’Neill and Giolito..
This team hasn’t lost 3 series in a row so far. That’s absurd. The sound of the air going out of the tires for a long stretch is still ahead. Luck is luck but it doesn’t last forever. The team doesn’t have guys like Mookie, Bogey, JD and Sale anymore. They have unproven youth who are improving rapidly in some cases and are extremely hot without talent in many other cases. Is Breslow enough of a magician along with his pitching coaches and hitting coaches to keep the over performances going to October? Time will tell.
This is very much like 2021 except the great performances are coming from DD’s farm system guys not the 2018 WS Champs that carried them in 2021. It sure seems highly unlikely that a miracle will happen and nobody will fall off in the second half because that’s what it’s going to take for them to make the playoffs because the hard charging Astros and Rangers won’t stop charging as we go into August and September.
DBH1969
@TF.
Agreed. That deflating will be the youth getting tired. But that is OK, it’s how they build for next year. Mayer will be up this year, maybe Anthony, too, though 2025 for his more likely. Teel will be here next year. He not just working on his personal skills, he is leaning the workings of a catcher and how to handle a pitching staff, so he won’t be up this year.
We have arms in Worchester that should be here already. 2 solid prospects at 2b (Yorke should be traded while he still has value)
The future looks bright, but this years is a huge maybe. Just enjoy the kids playing and learning.
Trade Kensley, Martin, O’Neill, Yoshi even if it is at a lose for no other reason than to make room for the next youth movement. Reevaluate in the off season.
Trollfree
DBH – Ahhhhhh a man of reason!!! You are one of the few that haven’t gotten sucked up by the Red Sox BS. The media and the front office can mislead the uneducated fans all they want, it’s not going to change the reality of what NEEDS to be done.
Other than believing in Mayer, EVERYTHING you said is spot on. Teel needs to be the future at catcher since Wong is a lifetime back-up and McGuire is cheap depth. Grissom is solid but not worth $17MM and an all-star pitcher for the next several years. What a dumb trade!!
The single biggest difference between Bloom and Breslow is that Breslow brought talented coaches to the team and Bloom didn’t. Can you imagine where this team would be if Breslow was allowed to bring a comparable MANAGER to the team? Ownership’s relationship with the dirt bag Cora continues to haunt this organization.
Clearing as much money down the stretch makes the most sense. Hendrick was a great pick-up so Jansen can be released to get us prospects. Yoshida was a total waste of money and needs to bring back as much as possible since half of his bloated salary has been paid. Martin is needed by many clubs so he has value from a prospect perspective. I think trading O’Neill if he gets hot would bring the best haul of anyone. Even more than Kenley.
Great job recognizing what needs to be done. The moving of Devers to DH is still needed to help the pitching staff but the selfish wanker won’t move without a lot of crying. He’s so selfish.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – So true! I refuse to be sucked up by the hype too, because I watch the games rather than just look at the numbers like the chest puffers here do.
And Red Sox Nation refuses to get sucked up too, as proven by half-empty Fenway on a beautiful summer night. Six years ago there’d be only scattered singles for a July night game.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – I think the biggest regression will come from Ref, O’Neill, Rafaela and multiple pitchers.
It’s kinda pointless to discuss the trade deadline now when we have no idea if/when Casas and Grissom and Martin will return. The writers here are just doing their job, providing content. The “pick a lane” quote from Breslow is very old news, he said it long ago.
Trollfree
Fever – Look at the history of the young players and you should see that Rafaela settles in and keeps getting better and then look at what’s happening this year and his projection is upward the rest of the year. Abreu is the guy who hits in spurts and then fails for long stretches. He’s the weak link in the outfield for the second half. O’Neill just needs to stay healthy and he will out perform Abreu by a mile. Duran has turned into an all-star and Rafaela keeps getting better. Abreu is very over rated but he’s well liked by Cora so he’ll take quality playing time from Rafaela who Cora doesn’t like. It’s called the CORA bias. and it costs the team wins every year.
Grissom is a waste of money so he’s not taking anyone to the promised land. Probably the biggest mistake Breslow has made. I’ll take Sale and $17MM over the league average Grissom any day no matter how young he is. Think where Boston would be without that trade!!! All it took was for someone to replace Cora’s lame pitching coaches to fix the pitching and that’s all ATL did to fix Sale. Could have happened in Boston but Breslow screwed up. Sale’s got several years of being elite in his tank.
Sorry but you got sucked in to the BS that is the Boston front office and media. Ref is a lifetime back-up and that’s not changing. O’Neill is a legit star if healthy. Rafaela is the best young prospect in the organization and will be an all-star in the future unlike Mayer, Yorke and all the crap Bloom picked up and over hyped. Just remember, Mayer was the FOURTH pick in the draft and he’s been anything but spectacular. He needs to be traded soon before it becomes obvious like it did with Jeter Downs and so many other bad choices by Bloom.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Great post as always!! Yeah the Grissom trade is looking very bad so far. In all fairness to Breslow, most brand new POBO’s get fleeced on their first few trades because of their lack of experience.
Bruin1012
Fever I really don’t think Rafaela is going to regress in the 2nd half offensively. He does have a lot of chase in his swing but he mitigates that by having excellent bat to ball skills. I expect Rafaela to be solid he’s a .250 type hitter with some pop who’s a very impatient hitter. He’s never going to be a big obp guy but he’s already adjusting he should remain solid.
Troll I think you’re right about one thing when it comes to Abreu and that is he’s streaky and not really playable against lefties. He’s always had big splits. I would expect more of the same for Abreu he’s a good solid player he’s going to hit for power I see him as a pretty easy 20 homer guy if he gets 550 at bats but I don’t see him being a high average hitter and he’s going to continue to play solid right field defense. I see him as a solid big league outfielder who will hold the fort until Anthony is ready. On a side note there are few things that look sweeter and as effortless than a bomb by Roman Anthony. He reminds me of JD Drew effortless gorgeous swing very patient at the plate maybe to patient. Still he’s going to be the Red Sox right fielder at some point he’s got a chance to be really special.
Troll I was down on Mayer despite his hot start in AA Portland in April. Thought it was babip luck but the last two months he’s really hitting the ball hard and looks the part of a top draft pick. I think he’s going to the much friendlier hitting environment of AAA Worcester soon and he just might really take off kind of like what Yorke has done when he got out of that mausoleum in Portland.
I could go on and on Kristian Campbell looks like the steal of the draft in 2023 just like Anthony looks like the steal of the draft in 2022. The bottom line I believe we are going to look back and say that Bloom’s regime did a good job of drafting and international signings. How much of that was actually Bloom who really knows but I am very impressed with how deep this farm has gotten.
Trollfree
Bruin1012 – I hope you are right about Mayer but the data doesn’t show it like it should. I didn’t like Casas at first and then when he made is adjustments and started putting the ball in play I change my mind completely. I hope the same happens for Mayer but so far I am not impressed.
I think Rafaela has been treated like crap by Cora considering his skill set and how far more talented he is as a baseball player than guys like Wong, Gonzalez, Abreu and so many of the others in the Cora=herd. In the end, when Cora slithers out of Boston Breslow will pick a high quality manager who will look at Rafaela’s skills and realize how misused he’s been. He’s a .280 hitter with top end speed, incredible athleticism and phenomenal defensive skills. He’s like Alfonso Soriano in that he’s got a tendency to chase but he has unexpected power. He is capable of huge seasons in the future. He’ll be a 30/30 guy like Duran. Can you imagine if we had a manager smart enough to bat them 1-2 in the order? Devers will hit with more runners in scoring position than anyone else in the league like JD with Mookie and Benny.
As far as the Bloom farm system goes, the farm system has always been a layering of talent. The last of DD’s layers have hit the MLB and they make up this surprising improving team. It’s surprising because DD’s guys were always under-rated because he wasn’t like Bloom trying to make a name for himself by over selling his farm skills. DD was already elite by the time he arrived in Boston and proved it with his pick ups of key players to be so highly successful and then left a great legacy in the farm system that is now proving itself. I see nothing like that from Bloom. He will be the guy that destroyed Boston and crapped all over the farm system. Some legacy!!! His PR people can try to cover his career in perfume but it still smells like crap.
I liked your JD Drew comp. Who is your comp for Rafaela. I was in Chicago when Soriano was so I fully expect to see some triples on pitches off the plate from Rafaela in the future and many unexpected power shots.
Bruin1012
I suppose Soriano isn’t a bad offensive comp for Rafaela. Rafaela is a much better defender than Soriano but Rafaela does chase a lot of pitches but has great eye to ball ability similar to Soriano.
Troll I think you are selling the Bloom drafts and international signings short. The last two drafts Bloom has probably had the steal of the drafts with Anthony in 2022 and Campbell in 2023.
Imo Bloom has left the minor leagues stacked he did a good job of drafting imo and I think that stats to play out soon. This is a very deep farm system. There are pitchers in this system as well it’s just they are in the lower minors when he started focusing on pitching the last couple of years.
Troll don’t get me wrong there were plenty of reasons to get rid of Bloom but the Farm system was not one of them. I mean Bloom should have been fired right away when he seemed to lose track of the lux tax in 2022 trade deadline and they barely went into the lux tax. I’m sure that is when he lost the confidence of ownership.
Blooms first draft pick Nick Yorke is really blossoming right now. I always said if he used the whole field he’s a big leaguer and he is doing that this year. He is bigger and stronger he is really impacting the ball. In fact he just got the Worcester award for most balls hit above 95+ for the month of June. There are a lot of guys in Worcester really can hit the ball hard and he’s hitting more hard hit balls then any of them. He’s hitting Homers to all fields his line drive rate is back to his 2021 levels he’s just 22 and he seems to of finally bought in to the all fields approach. He looks really good and his bat speed looks like it’s up. It’s hard not to be excited about this guy.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bruin – So where do you think Rafaela will end up stats-wise? I’ll think he’ll be around .650 OPS because I don’t believe the homeruns will continue when he faces better teams.
And defensively he’s still a concern, did you see him take a bad route on a fly ball last week that cost the Sox a couple runs. He makes some sensational plays, but he’s hardly steady like JBJ or Mookie.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – To answer your question on a comp for Rafaela, that would definitely be Donnie Sadler.
Same type of hitter who can also play outfield and middle infield just like Rafaela.
Trollfree
Fever – So you think Rafaela sucks because Sadler sure did.
Why so down on the best prospect in the organizaation that isn’t a pitcher?
Trollfree
Bruin1012 – You and I differ in how we use statistics. A one time uptick creates much more value in your mind than mine.
Yorke has pretty much sucked most years since drafted. He suggested promise at age 19 and then proved it was false promise except for 19 games in the Arizona Fall League. Too small a sample!! At 21 in AA he put up league average type numbers as a first round draft pick. Not impressive at all.
At 22 this year, he started with more of the same at AA so they moved him to AAA. Not the normal or logical action to get a promotion after being mediocre unless the player is being shopped. Yorke has no history of above league average performance, he simply has started well in the first 27 games at AAA. That’s hardly grounds for great optimism. To me, it’s the right response to move him to get something at the trade deadline. All his numbers suggest league average as his ceiling.
Please help me with the players that Bloom drafted that are any good other than Anthony. I think he will be the only thing Bloom will be able to cling to down the road but Bloom will still be the guy that ruined the 2018 champions.
I can’t count ONE GUY and say this guy did great things for the farm system. DD did great things for the farm system.
When Bloom has a line-up of comparable achievements to DD then I might reconsider but DD gave us a farm system that included:
1 – Casas
2 – Houck
3 – Duran
4 – Crawford
5 – Rafaela
6 – Bello
7 – Abreu
During the years these players were proving themselves the “EXPERTS” ranked them at the bottom because they aren’t experts just people being paid to tout certain players and none of them were Red Sox. Look at all the failed picks during the same time frame that were in the top 100 including the pretender know as Jeter Downs. Farm system rankings are a complete joke.
I value your judgment when commenting on attributes of players so please tell me the great stock of players Bloom provided and I’ll give you feed back on what I see when I read their historical stats. I would love to find someone other than Anthony but I don’t think I will.
Opinions are usually shouted the loudest by the folks that no so little about player evaluations. Houck needed to be a reliever? Remember how many were wrong about that one? Or Bello will be the ace of the staff in the future? Remember how many voiced that wrong opinion. Heck, I spent years trying to convince people Devers can’t field and now he’s the worst fielder at 3B in the game since the 1920s when fields weren’t manicured and the baseball had soft spots in it. He has surpassed the former leaders at 3B in errors after 7 seasons when they played over 15 to create their incredibly high number of errors.
I am happy to look at the guys you think will be above league average players in the future drafted by Bloom. Both he and DD had the same number of drafts and Bloom always drafted with earlier picks. Do you think he will come close to the number of above league average or all-stars drafted by DD?
I don’t.
Trollfree
Fever – Seriously? Defensively? What team have you been watching? He is a highlight reel waiting to happen during every game. NEWSFLASH…. He’s played 117 games and we heard this same BS about Duran when he came up.
You are incredibly off base with your Rafaela comments and I will be in your face when you make unsubstantiated comments. You want to pick on defense talk Devers or don’t talk at all. He is literally terrible.and for nearly 8 years.
117 games is Rafaela’s experience and unlike the totally inept Devers, he plays the two toughest positions on the field. Unlike Devers, he’s not out of shape, nonathletic or selfish.
If you want to hate on a guy start with Devers if it’s about defense. Have you ever looked that Rafaela’s hitting in the minors? He’s an international player who started the year before COVID and had to sit during 2020.
2021 – age 20 at A ball – 10 HRs and 23 SBs in 102 games after a year lay off. His .251 average wasn’t great but again it was after a year lay off.
2022 – age 21 at Hi=A – .333 average 9 HRs and 14 SBs in 45 games!! Then promoted to AA with 12 HRs and 14 SBs and hit .278.
2023 – age 22 at AA hit .294 with 6 HRs and 30 SBs in 60 games. Then hit .312 with 14 HRs and 6 SBs in 48 games.
Then, got called up to the Red Sox and with two weeks left in the season his average was .368 (Sept 14( while batting lead off for the MLB team at age 22. The team tanked during the rest of the season and Cora moved him from the lead off spot because he had not clue how to stop the free fall the team was experiencing against several quality teams.
Rafaela started slowly as team built a book on him during the off season. He bottomed out by game 27 and then started an ascent that would take him from .156 to his current average of .250. Yes, he’s raised his average after adjustments by nearly 100 points (96 to be precise). Most analysts would be impressed with a rookie making such a successful adjustment while batting last because of Cora and yet leading the team in RBIs. Apparently you must have missed many of those games!!!
This demonstrates just how far off you are in your assessment of Rafaela. Just like the wrong assessments of Houck, Rafaela is the best hitter in the organization to come up DD’s drafting. He will surpass Duran over time, he will not hit for Casas’ power but he will be an all-star in roughly the same amount of time it took Casas. Remember, a year ago opinions on Casas were radically different and then he went on a run like Rafaela is going on.
The reason why he’s even more predictable than Casas was is that he proved himself at each level of the minors. He can hit .300, he can hit for power or he can show off his speed. He can play two of the toughest positions defensively and he can force pitchers to throw more fast balls for the hitters behind him. Duran success this year is partially attributed to Rafaela batting in front of him.
So it’s safe to say you stand corrected on Rafaela..
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Your definition of “sucks” is very different than mine! LOL!!
I’ve repeatedly stated Rafaela’s value lies in his versatility. I’m glad he’s here right now, because otherwise the Sox would continue to be churning a bunch of crap in the shortstop position as they’ve done in the past two years. He’s a gifted athlete, makes sensational plays at two positions, and has great speed. He clearly doesn’t suck overall, and I’m pretty sure I’ve never said he does.
He’s definitely not a prospect anymore, he’s a major leaguer and he will be for a while just like Sadler was.
My concerns involve his immaturity, his lack of baseball intelligence, and his inconsistency in the field and at the plate.
Now I know how you feel about defensive stats, so I won’t get into his defense. But offensively he’s been a very inconsistent, streaky .625-.675 OPS guy. I asked you where you think he will end up longterm OPS-wise, so what is your answer?
I think we both agree his longterm future is in the outfield because of Story/Mayer and the departure of O’Neill. So if he hits like JBJ are you okay with that?
Because Rafaela’s streakiness is very similar to guys like Story, JBJ and your friend Kike. When they are on a hot streak, they look like the best hitter in baseball. But here’s the thing, streaky hitters always follow the same pattern of fading …. their streaks always become shorter and less frequent.
So what I’m saying is I’d rather have a .700 OPS guy who is consistent than a .700 OPS guy who often flips from red hot to ice cold.
In conclusion, I hope I’m wrong about Rafaela. I hope he becomes the next Mookie. And who knows, anything is possible because players can and do improve their game. We’ve seen that this year with Houck and Duran, right?
My biggest concern is that he settles into a .600 hitter longterm, but the Sox keep starting him every day because he’s versatile and because of the contract. Complacency is the norm for the Sox front office when it comes to team performance.
Let’s see how he does against much better pitching, starting tonight.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – I love your passion!
I’ll try not to repeat what I just wrote upthread.
They said Duran was poor defensively when he first came up because he WAS poor! Does the name Tapia ring a bell? LOL! Not many people know Duran was more of a 2B as recent as 2018, so naturally he needed time to improve his outfield defense.
Another thing few people realize, he was experiencing severe anxiety issues when he first came up. This is why I always say players CAN and often DO improve over time.
You and I agree on many things, which I’m grateful for. But we’ve always disagreed on the possibility that a player can improve or regress. Like with Devers and Yoshida ;O)
Bruin1012
Troll the difference between you and I is the amount of time we actually watch guys play in the minor leagues. I think you look at statistics as the be all end all and judge based on what you see statistically. Baseball is a statistical game I get that and a lot can be learned by statistics especially when they reach the ultimate level MLB. I would venture to guess you have maybe seen him play a couple of times so I will educate you from a scouting standpoint and why you statistics can lie especially when your looking at the wrong statistics.
Nick Yorke started out in A Ball in 2021 his first game came in early May statistically he was very bad in May of 2021 and we already were hearing how bad of of a pick this guy was but this was just a young guy first time away from the his family trying to adjust to pro ball. Then something happened from June 1st to August 22 of 2021 he was quite simply one of the best hitters in minor league baseball. He was hitting line drives all over the field he looked like a second coming of the laser show his prospect status rocketed. On August 23rd he was promoted to High A and to the uneducated eye everything looked great he continued to hit well through the end of the season he even had a power surge but it was fools gold he had already gotten away from the all fields line drive approach and despite still getting lucky he was regressing at that point he was trying to be what he wasn’t.
2022 was a lost season for Nick Yorke he had an assortment of injuries that just accentuated his new pull heavy approach. If you watched him closely in attempt to hit the ball in the air for power he started pulling his left shoulder out early and instead of hitting lasers he hit roll over grounders. It was an awful year for Nick Yorke. Then came 2023 and Portland. Portland is a very difficult hitting environment especially in April and May.
It was at this point that whenever I started to talk about Nick Yorke I was saying he needs to stop pulling off the ball and go back to that all fields approach he had in single A and low and low and behold at the beggining of the season he was doing that and he was hitting .300 again but slowly as the season wore on he started pulling off the ball and striking out and hitting those rollover grounders.. He finished very poorly. There is a side note to his 2023 when he was drafted he was drafted a bat first second baseman despite playing a lot of shortstop in High School. He was a known poor defender. That all changed in 2023 the guy, due to obvious hard work and maturity, turned himself into one of the best defensive second baseman in the Eastern League. Still 2023 finished with a whimper and everyone was starting to talk about him being a bust.
2024 came around and once again he started in AA Portland which we already know is one of the hardest hitting environments in the minors especially early in the year. Despite the environment if you watched closely you could see it he stopped letting his left shoulder fly he stayed on the ball and started to hit line drives it was as if someone finally got through to him and brought him back to what he should of been the entire time. If you only looked at his counting stas you would be in the crowd that says he’s a bust and what a waste of a pick. If, however, you knew what stats to look at fir Nick Yorke you would notice that he was using the whole field again his k rate was plummeting he was hitting a lot of atom balls he was very unfortunate to hit .250 to start the season. If you watched him at the plate you could tell he was maturing he was keeping his left shoulder in he was staying on the ball it was just a matter of time before the babip gods turned and he was rewarded for his plate approach. On June 5th he was rightfully rewarded with a promotion to AAA Worcester. He wasn’t sent to AAA to showcase him that’s just silly he was sent there because the underlying process was there and he was hitting the ball much better than the counting stats said.
Yorke has been nothing short of spectacular since that promotion I encourage everyone to watch Worcester games and see him continue to break out. Here’s the really cool thing about this guy he hits the ball really hard really consistently he is coming into his own. I think he probably gets traded because Breslow brought in Grissom and I doubt they keep them both but we are seeing the maturation of a future big league second baseman. It’s cool to hear the announcers of other teams talk about how great his approach is and he looks like a big league hitter. This what I have seen with Nick Yorke and as long as continues his current plate approach he’s going to be a very good big league second baseman.
Bruin1012
Fever Rafaela has only been playing the outfield since 2021 he was an infielder utility type until he was moved to the outfield in 2021. He took to it immediately he was spectacular from day 1 out there. Duran was really awful defensively in the outfield really until last year and he wasn’t really that good even last year. Duran improved through hard work and now he is one of the better defensive outfielders his reads are much better this year. Somehow he figured it out.
I think Rafaela continues to improve offensively I see him as a .720 ish ops guy by the end of the season.
Trollfree
Bruin1012 – Fun Facts
Devers 58 R 58 RBIs 17 DBs 4 TRs 21 Hrs 2 SB 85 Ks
Rafaela 45 R 52 RBIs 16 DBs 4 TRs 11 Hrs 11 SBs 89 Ks
Duran 61 R 41 RBIs 25 DBs 10 TRs 10 Hrs 22 SBs 97Ks
When you consider the defense of DD’s two guys and Devers you have to wonder why one guy makes $30MM and can’t field at league average and two guys play multiple positions with one being able to play SS and CF and the respect by Cora is given to guys Wong, Abreu, Smith, Valdez, Yoshida, Gonzales and even McGuire.
For me, I’ll take the guy who produces results at a very moderate cost than the pompous star whose been given everything since 16 and can’t field. This team has an incredible core that is coming into it’s own.
Duran, Casas, Rafaella may all be all-stars in 2025 with Houck, Crawford also strong possibilities. I think Hendrik could be too if Cora is gone and Breslow picks a new manager with skills like his new coaches.
Trollfree
Fever – If Casas starts the year in 2023 struggling then makes an adjustment mid season and has a great second half is that your definition of streaky? I call that a rookie improving with experience. Guess what Rafaela is doing the exact same thing this year. He’s not streaky any more than Casas is.
In 2023, Rafaela was over .360 with two weeks left in the season and the opposition found a weak spot in his swing and/or approach at the plate. He dropped 100 points because there were no coaches worth a damn to help him adjust. 2024 he works with Breslow’s new coaches and by the end of May he starts digging himself out of a hole. He Raises his average 100 points (sound familar? Casas 2023) and now he is a top 3 hitter on the team.
Streaky is a very bad choice of words to describe his hitting. Also, look back at the minors. He hit for average with each jump to a new level and some adjustments? Do you know who had more hits in more games in both the minors and the majors? Rafaela or Abreu? The answer is Rafaela and he’s the guy hitting 9th while Abreu non productively sits in the heart of the order with lesser numbers. Why? Because Cora likes Abreu and nepotism drives the running of the team by Cora.
So, take a closer look at the facts because the stuff you are making up about Rafaela has no basis in reality. Check the numbers I posted elsewhere comparing Devers, Duran and Rafaela and see how close he is to Devers and Duran batting out of the 9 hole. That alone speaks volumes to Rafaela’s hitting asks why the 9 hitter posts better numbers than the middle of the order. Cora being Cora.
If you like the crap from Bloom or the career bench guys that are temporarily hitting over .300 that’s fine. You used to speak highly of Kiki when he was hot too..
FYI your hopes have already come true. You are dead wrong about pretty much every thing you said about Rafaela.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – There was nothing streaky about Casas last year. He started cold, then got hot.
Another example of streaky? Check out O’Neill’s game logs.
July 5-13 he’s batting .087 with 2 walks and 13 strikeouts
June 5-July 4 he batted .333 with 10 walks
May 1-June 4 he batted .151 with 9 walks and 36 strikeouts
March 28-April 30 he batted .320 with 13 walks
That my friend is what you call streaky! Let’s hope his current slump doesn’t last as long as his prior one. At least he won’t be embarrassing himself in the Homerun Derby.
BloodySox
They should trade the organization for cash to someone that wants to win.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Trade O’Neal ASAP guy sucks
uvmfiji
This is early 90’s Red Sox. This isn’t even Ralph Houk (R.I.P.) Red Sox.. This is the lane with the bumpers.
Occams_hairbrush
This comment section is HILARIOUS as always.
All the mooks who whined all offseason about how bad the Red Sox are gonna be are now here whining that Breslow better do the right thing around the trade deadline.
Entitled babies gonna entitled baby.
letitbelowenstein
I keep hearing about all the infield prospects the Sox have, not to mention other prospects. Breslow should put on his big boy pants, give fans something to chat about and offer a package to get India from Cincinnati.
DBH1969
Valdez, Yorke, Grissom, Westbrook, etc…. how many 2nd basemen do we need? And why the heck “package” for league average hitter when we alraedy have a basket full of that?
letitbelowenstein
I hardly consider Westbrook in any group. Grissom hasn’t shown squat and Valdez is a utilityman at best. India would be an upgrade over that group easily.
Fever Pitch Guy
let – Agree with you on Westbrook and Grissom and Valdez, but don’t sleep on Yorke!
Lanidrac
Both buying and selling doesn’t make any sense to me most of the time.
If you’re going to make a run at the playoffs, then you should fully commit to it as long as you don’t deplete your budget or farm system too much (unless your strategy actually is to go all in by selling the farm ahead of a rebuilding period).
The only reason a contending team should trade away Major League players with value is if they also get at least one MLB player in return who makes the team better overall.
If it isn’t your year and you start selling off at least the expiring contracts, don’t waste prospects also buying rentals while expecting some miracle run to the playoffs anyway. Buy only if you’re getting a controlled player who can be useful in future seasons.
Trollfree
Landrac – The buying and selling is nothing more than the late execution of his off season job. We have redundant talent that could provide value to other teams so it could bring some prospects.
We still have a couple of huge holes that need to be filled to set the future line-up and so doing it at the deadline makes perfect sense if the right 3B is available. I doubt fixing the elimination of Cora will happen at the deadline but one can hope!!
The players that need to depart are:
1 – Yoshida
2 – Jansen
3 – Martin
4 – O’Neill
5 – Story if possible but not likely
6 – Giolito – if possible but again not likely
Those six guys cost $91MM per year so roughly $30MM or so remaining in 2024 then the full $91MM will be available in 2024 to fill the 3B hole and add pitching.
If possible, it makes sense to find guys that can pitch and thrive using the Breslow way of pitching. Depth at pitching may be the second most critical change Boston needs right now. Devers to DH will always be the #1 need.
So lets buy and sell and position the team for the future.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – The good part about that list is three of them will definitely not return next season, Gio will be gone after 2025, and Story won’t hurt the team because he won’t be playing much the next few years.
Trollfree
Fever – Story will still hurt the team in $23.3MM ways. Giolito will be $20MM from a guy who has not done anything in 3 years. That hurts a total of $43.3MM different ways.
What’s that 15% of the payrolll? Costly mistakes.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – I don’t care about John Henry’s bank account! LOL!!
If Story never plays another game for the Sox because of injuries, then Rafaela/Mayer will have the position covered the next few years.
So Story won’t be hurting the team on the field, and he won’t even be hurting the team’s financials that much either (compared to if he was playing).
But yes, Story and Gio were HUGE costly mistakes …. all because the penny-pinching Red Sox thought they could save a few bucks when they signed them. How ironic is that? LOLOL!!!!
uvmfiji
Buy low, sell low appears to be the Boston motto.
Trollfree
uvmfiji = So true with only a few exceeptions:
1 – Devers
2 – Giolito
3 – Story
4 – Yoshida
They were all buy HIGH and in Devers’ case it was buy Astronomically High!!! Especially for a one dimensional DH killing the team with errors at 3B.
olmtiant
So in closing… sometimes as a buyer you get Larry Andersen… and sometimes as a seller you get D Lowe and Tek… the only certainty is uncertainty…. I hope we have lime jello tonight.. ..damn jacket is so warm !!!!
Cooperdooper7
Good Ole Cora was at again last night….. as soon as he sent out Bello for the 6th inning I knew it was a massive mistake….. 92 pitches, 11 K’s 3 stressful innings out of 5…. he already qualified for the W…. so why send him out for the 6th with a 9 run lead?
5 innings, 2 earned runs, 11 K’s looks so much better than 5 1/3 Innings 5 EARNED RUNS…. SMH
Way to effectively take a good positive outing, to not so much just because you want to get 6 inning out of him. Not the game to save your BP when you just had a night off and most of the BP had not pitched since Saturday.
It floors me how people believe he is a good Manager when it comes to handling the Pitching Staff and his terrible usage of the BP. One more baserunner and he would have had to bring in Kenley…. SMH
Trollfree
Cooper – Thanks for speaking up about how bad Cora is. I feel alone in my daily observations. Just think, had they fired Cora, kept Sale and brought in a manager as qualified as the pitching coaches and hitting coaches where would this team be today? They might have been ahead of NY and BAL. That’s how dramatic the impact of keeping Cora and giving away Sale has been on the fortunes of this team.
Great post!!
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – As long as I’m here you’ll never be alone in your desire to remove Cora from the Red Sox manager’s chair!!!!
More and more analysts and media types are saying Cora will manage the Yankees next year …. I really hope it happens!!
Trollfree
Fever – HAHAHAHA….. from terrible to worse for the Yankees!! The projections flip flop if that happens and Stanton might be playing 3B!!!!! hahahaha
Trollfree
Scary thing is that he’s probably better than Devers!!!! hahaha