6:37pm: Kiermaier confirmed the report, telling Shi Davidi and Arden Zwelling of Sportsnet after the game that manager John Schneider informed him of the waiver placement (X link). “It’s the chance for a contending team to claim me if they want, from what I was just told. I totally get it with where we’re at as a team,” the Gold Glove center fielder said.
4:20pm: The Blue Jays have placed outfielder Kevin Kiermaier on waivers, reports Joel Sherman of The New York Post. The goal is seemingly to have another team claim him and take on the remainder of his salary. Kiermaier is still on the 40-man roster and can continue playing for the Jays while on waivers. In fact, he was playing in today’s game against the Giants as this report came out. If he clears waivers, the Jays can outright him or release him but keeping him on the roster would also be an option.
Last year, a new trend started to emerge of players being placed on waivers without being removed from the roster of their home club. This used to be a common practice back when there were two deadlines. Under the previous system, there was one deadline usually around the end of July and another around the end of August. In between those two deadlines, a player could still be traded but had to clear waivers first. This led to teams around the league putting huge numbers of players on waivers, most of whom had contracts that outpaced their on-field contributions, which usually led to them going unclaimed and then potentially being traded.
In 2019, MLB and the MLBPA agreed to a single deadline, getting rid of the August waiver trade system. This meant that players being placed on waivers while holding onto a roster spot essentially went away for a few years.
The practice came roaring back last year, thanks to the Angels. That club made an aggressive push at last year’s deadline, trying to win while they still had Shohei Ohtani for a few months. But they hit a big losing streak in August and fell way back in the standings, then pivoted to cost-saving mode. At the end of August, they put Lucas Giolito, Matt Moore, Reynaldo López, Hunter Renfroe, Randal Grichuk and Dominic Leone on waivers, hoping for another club to claim those guys and take on their salaries. Since the trade deadline had passed, this was their only avenue to cutting salary and lowering their competitive balance tax number.
This wasn’t the end of the waiver madness. The Yankees also put Harrison Bader out there, while Mike Clevinger of the White Sox, Carlos Carrasco of the Mets and José Cisnero of the Tigers were also out there. In each case, the club had fallen out of contention and was simply looking for cost savings by another team taking the player off their hands. It’s also possible that other players were on waivers and it wasn’t publicly known because they didn’t get claimed.
In the end, some players were claimed and other weren’t, though the Angels successfully managed to dip under the line and avoid the competitive balance tax. That was a significant development as it improved the compensation draft pick they received after Ohtani rejected a qualifying offer and signed with the Dodgers.
All of that is to say that is the probably the first of several reports that could emerge in the coming months about a player being placed on waivers while still on the team. Sherman uses the word “revocable” in his report, though that’s not entirely accurate. Revocable trade waivers no longer exist, but what Sherman likely means is that Kiermaier isn’t necessarily gone from the Blue Jays. Because they haven’t removed him from the 40-man roster by designating him for assignment, he can simply be retained if no one claims him. As an example, Grichuk went unclaimed last year, stayed with the Angels and was put back on waivers again in September. He cleared that time as well and was still playing for the club at the end of the season. But if someone does claim Kiermaier, he’ll be gone, as was the case with Giolito, Moore and several others who were claimed last year.
It seems fairly unlikely that Kiermaier will end up claimed. He’s playing this season on a one-year deal with a $10.5MM salary, with about $4.5MM of that still to be paid out. He still has wheels and is a strong defender but is hitting just .183/.232/.290. A contending team might be interested in him as a fourth outfielder who can pinch run and serve as a defensive replacement, but there’s little incentive for them to take on that salary right now. There’s still over two weeks until the July 30 trade deadline and interested clubs will have until then to work out a deal wherein the Jays eat some of the money, unless some club is willing to simply absbord the whole thing right now.
Whether Kiermaier is ultimately claimed or not, it does send a signal to where the Jays are at right now, as Sherman points out. The Jays are 42-50 as of this writing and 8.5 games back of a playoff spot. The Playoff Odds at FanGraphs currently give them just a 2% chance if making it into the postseason. The PECOTA Standings at Baseball Prospectus are more bullish but only slightly, giving the Jays a 6.2% shot.
Barring an incredible winning streak in the next two weeks, the Jays will likely enter the deadline period at sellers and recent reporting has pointed to them making rental players available. One of those is Kiermaier, but the list also includes Danny Jansen, Justin Turner, Yimi García, Trevor Richards and Yusei Kikuchi. Whether they look for cost savings or prospect capital in those trades remains to be seen, but Kiermaier’s struggles this year won’t allow him to bring back any huge prospect package regardless, so the Jays have opted to see if they can simply get maximum cost savings with this move.
The Jays currently have a CBT number of $247MM, per both RosterResource and Cot’s Baseball Contracts, with only a tiny difference between the calculations of those two sites. The base threshold of the CBT is $237MM this year, so the Jays could avoid paying the tax by shedding more than $10MM from their CBT calculation, so a claim of Kiermaier could get them about halfway there.
If they did manage to duck under the line, the cost savings would be minimal. The Jays are a on pace to be a second-time payor and are therefore subject to a base tax rate of just 30% on spending over the line, meaning they’d currently be lined up for a tax bill of roughly $3MM. But the CBT features growing tax rates for repeat payors, so even teams that pay it regularly like to “reset” their status by ducking under from time to time. If the Jays did that this year, they would be able to theoretically pay the CBT in 2025 as a “first-time” payor as opposed to a “third-time” payor. Paying the CBT also leads to a larger penalty for signing a player that rejected a qualifying offer and reduces the compensation a team receives for a QO player signing elsewhere.
nitnontu
Awkward!
TheMan 3
in other baseball news, Paul Skenes pitched 7 innings of no hit ball against the Brewers today striking out 11 batters
avenger65
TheMan: Not surprised. I saw him pitch his first two games and another game after that. Incredible talent. In the second game he pitched 6 no-hit innings. One of these days managers won’t pull pitchers in the middle of a no-hitter despite the pitch count.
alwaysgo4two
Usually I’m with you on leaving him in to see what he could do. However, he’s thrown a lot more innings than he’s used to over the past year and his arm is way too valuable so babying him isn’t that crazy.
16
Not really. Almost every player used to get passed through waivers after TDL. They can pull him back as well if another team claims him and can’t workout a trade. It’s a smart move but doubt he gets claimed for his full remaining salary. They’d be better off taking a small/lottery ticket return to shed his contract and work to get under luxury tax.
TheOtherMikeD
How can tell you didn’t read the article?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is the ‘other Mike D’ the Mike D of the Beastie Boys? Or are you thinking of another Mike D?
TheOtherMikeD
Yes.
User 4245925809
Have a feeling Toronto would give a huge Thank You to anyone taking the remaining portion of his 10m salary.
.230 obp
.290 slg
his signature defense slipping some and seems he’s generally injured. Why would a team lay a claim, much less give up any prospect with a remote chance, unless the Jays paid his remaining salary?
deweybelongsinthehall
It seems bizarre that a team is able to play someone that they placed on waivers. Rules should be tightened to call one’s bluff. Once on waivers, you need to deal or release. Why should they be able to gauge his marketability and wait, etc.?
Canuckleball
Because those are the rules?
They’re the same for everyone. It’s not like your chosen team isn’t able to access this privilege.
deweybelongsinthehall
I understand. I simply said (in my view) the rules should be tightened.
myaccount2
There’s a reason there’s a DFA and then just waivers
deweybelongsinthehall
There’s waivers and there’s irreversible waivers. I’m suggesting there only be one.
YankeesBleacherCreature
There’s a difference between DFA and waivers. Teams used to place half or more of their rosters on waivers in August to gauge trade interest.
deweybelongsinthehall
Right but I’m saying you shouldn’t be allowed to play those that are on waivers.
Gwynning
Dewey, I suggest you probably know this already, but Waivers is just semantic. If you’re not removed from the 40 (aka DFA) then you can still play. I enjoy the Release Waiver “game” and I like that Minasian made it en vouge again!
deweybelongsinthehall
It’s just weird how you can “release” a player but not really and use him in a game. Yes, I knew the difference in the types of waivers but I don’t recall reading about it as the player was playing.
Gwynning
Ahhh, but they haven’t been “released”- just Waived. The real question becomes “will anybody pick Player X up?”! Cheers bub
BlueSkies_LA
Exactly. They are offering up his contract to any takers. If nobody bites, he goes nowhere. Since nobody is likely to bite, this is really just a prelude to other trades they might make. It wasn’t but a few years ago under the old rules when it seemed like entire rosters were waived in August. Maybe it seems weird to fans who don’t remember the old rules.
KcsMsFan
Why do you find it so strange? Think of it like selling a house… just because you put it on the market doesn’t mean you have to stop living in the house until it sells. Just think of it as putting a player on the market.
Tigers3232
@Dewey As Gwynning pointed out they aren’t released. I think you are misinterpreting terms and the ultimate consequences of these steps.
The waiver process is set up as it allows teams to see if they can free up a roster spot from a player. It opens multiple options to do so, either letting a claim go through and being released from contractual obligations, opening up dialouge to work out a deal with a team placing a claim, or possibly optioning player to Minors. With the latter they still have to pay, but they can free up a valuable roster spot.
As for tightening the rules, they have already negotiated player protections in the CBA to offer protections to the player. There are protections such as the Rule 5 draft and players with enough service time can decline being sent down and still be owed the entirety of their contracts.
I know it quick glance it seems like they can just have a cut and dry black and white system, which would be keep them or don’t. But in reality MLB and MiLB in totality is a business with upwards or possibly more than a $100B in total revenue. These roster moves have millions at stake and player development and performance is not linear. So this system is made to protect revenue, offer some player protections, and have a system where players can be shuttled back and forth to an extent if needed for injuries or if development is not coming a long as they’d hope.
Ultimately is the system perfect? No, but nothing is perfect and some complexity is needed due to all the variables involved. So trying to simplify something while ignoring all the other moving parts just isn’t very realistic.
TheMan 3
If a player is placed on waivers unless he’s been removed from the roster, he can still play
That’s the way it’s been for a very long time
16
Not true and as stated above previously most players would be passed through waivers in August after TDL. Some would get claimed and teams could work out a trade or the club could pull the player back.
TheMan 3
obviously not because he played after being placed on waivers
geotheo
They know his marketability. If he had any trade value the Blue Jays would trade him. They don’t have to put him on waivers or DFA him. They are just hoping he gets claimed so they don’t have to pay him. But he’s not getting claimed. And probably won’t be released either since that won’t save them any money
Canuckleball
odd timing with their other centerfielder currently banged up. They could go from having 2 CF’s to none in the span of a day. Obviously unlikely anyone picks him up, but you never know.
Whyme
Springer can play CF if needed
Canuckleball
Not well. certainly not close to the level of either KK or Varsho.
Also, Springer has acclimated really well to RF. Better to leave him there.
Whyme
It doesn’t matter for a few games before Varsho comes back
danumd87 2
The jays are going nowhere this season. They just need a guy to stand in cf. doesn’t matter if he’s not very good
terrymesmer
No.
Mtog
They have Berroa up I believe and he can play CF.
YourDreamGM
So what? Don’t put anyone in cf.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Vladdy has always wanted to play center. They should give him a shot. It’s about just having fun now. Throw some seeds around. Dominican line dancing after every win.
YourDreamGM
Vladdy sounds great. CF more valuable than 1b. Increase his trade value! Forget Skenes. Forget Ohtani. Vladdy cf must see tv.
scissormetimbers
Who cares, it’s not like they’re competing for a playoff spot.
Buzzz Killington
Likely a trade coming with them retaining a good chunk.
grandsalametime
He just got a base hit.
YourDreamGM
Hurry up. Yank him back off waivers before someone claims him!
Clarence Thomas and the Yankees are Your Daddies
Yankees should call-better than Grisham…
LordD99
No. He’s not.
LordD99
Perhaps a white flag, indicating they’re about to sell.
high_upside
I think that white flag ship has sailed. They’re definitely selling rentals.
jimmertee
The Bluejays need to offer for sale everyone except; Berrios, Vladdy, Horowitz and Martinez and see if they can stock up on near ready or hogher quality prospects. Their drafting and development sucks.
Gwynning
Sell Vladdy, he’s walking in 3 months anyway! Just a prediction, not trying to ruffle any Blue Jay feathers…
NoSaint
@Gwynning
He has another year of team control so he’s not walking anywhere for a while
Rsox
He’s arb eligible for another season so he won’t be “walking in 3 months”. However, i could see the Jays entertaining trade offers next winter because outside of Soto and Alonso (both Boras clients and god only knows when they’ll actually sign) there aren’t many sluggers available
Gwynning
Oh snap, my bad! Legitimately thought it was this year, thanks gents.
YourDreamGM
Can’t walk in 3 months wth. I thought this was America.
kingbum
If they don’t get an extension done this off-season they won’t keep Vladdy. He’s definitely not going to give a discount to a team that let his contract expire. I think 6 years at 180 million gets Vladdy signed on the market. He’d be 26 with a career OPS+ of 132. I think though he’d sign an extension at $25MM AAV if they got a deal done now.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Why would they trade bichette (at his lowest point) but keep berrios?
If the jays do a fire sale then everyone is gone including vlad
I think they do some of it at the deadline and the rest during the off-season
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think Bassitt will be in huge demand and could be the Jordan Montgomery of this year’s deadline.
kingbum
Bassitt in my opinion is the Jays best trade piece. All teams would be in on him.
swissvale
Skenes gives up zero hits in seven innings and….still a scoreless tie
But the announcers did comment Suwinski had a good at bat because he only bounced into a force out instead of a double play so…..
YourDreamGM
Good when he just takes the bat off his shoulder.
Seamaholic
A non-DFA waiver situation! Pretty rare, and catnip for us transaction nerds.
jaysfansince1977
Seamaholic, not that rare last season the Angels did it with half their roster.
Suitcase Simpson
friedman loves that guy
Rsox
Dodgers do need OF help
high_upside
This seems a bit odd. KK is still a great defender and would be a valuable 4th outfielder to a contender needing a late defensive replacement or late speed on base. Jays must be under more pressure to save money than to add farm depth.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Jays are about $10MM over the first CBT threshold. Trade KK with a decent prospect attached and trade Vlad or Bo and they’re back under.
thebaseballfanatic
Or just trade a few expiring free agents, since I presume they plan to reload for 2025 in the offseason (a la Cardinals this year).
Canuckleball
@YankeesBleacherCreature
The Jays have a number of pending free agents which are almost all going to be traded.
Remaining salary:
Kikuchi $4.25 m
Yimi Garcia $2.6 m
Jansen $2.2 m
Richards $915 k
If they can shed a portion of KK’s remaining salary, that gets them pretty close to the threshold.
There are a few others that could also be traded.
They won’t trade Bo or Vlad just to save a few bucks. They’ll do that only if they mean to blow things up, which I doubt is happening.
Armaments216
Of course they’ll still need to roster 26 players. So any savings will be offset by league minimum salaries or whatever trade returns they need to take on.
Whyme
I read that Kikuchi makes $10 this year where is the 4.25m from
SteveC
That’s a Pro-rated amount
16
Jays need to get under luxury tax so they are trying to shed $10-$13M by TDL. They should take a bag of balls if someone will take on KK’s remaining salary.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Nobody is claiming him for his $4.5MM remaining salary.
Canuckleball
Agreed, but someone will take a portion of the contract, because the defense and foot speed are still top notch. He’d be an excellent 4th OF for many playoff hopefuls.
But yeah, not at full freight.
radhippo
Angels can dump Taylor Ward on the Pirates and get Kiermaier to replace him for the rest of the year… Come on Perry!!!!
YourDreamGM
Ward needs to come back and help Trout Rendon win a championship.
Touch 'em all Joe
“If he clears waivers, the Jays can outright him or release him but keeping him on the roster would also be an option.”
If I am reading this correctly – if he were to pass waivers unclaimed, he can remain on the active roster like nothing happened? What are the roster implications of this? Is he still in the 40-man?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yes, if unclaimed, he stays on the 40-man. Players with less than five years service time can then be assigned to the minors. Not KK though.
Rsox
Similar to what teams used to do in August when pretty much every player was put on waivers to see if a deal could be made after the July 31st trade deadline. It seens like the Jays know they can’t trade Kiermaier so i don’t know why they think someone will claim him at his full salary
Rsox
If the goal is to get another team to pick up the remaining $5+ million of his contract i believes that is what is called a “fool’s errand”
olmtiant
If I’m correct didn’t Red Sox do this with Manny a few times….I might not be right but I’m never wrong on these types of things….
YankeesBleacherCreature
They did. Lots of great players in their primes were placed on waivers. Some even with no-trade clauses.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
That happened with Bryce Harper in the old rules
Braves Butt-Head
Future Braves seems like a Kevin Pillar type player AA would go after even though he bats lefty just a former bluejay and Ray any they are throwing everything at the board in lf
radhippo
As an Angels fan, AA should just get Pillar. I can’t imagine Perry will be asking for much. If The Angels can get anything I’d be all for it!
Blackpink in the area
Fangraphs has him as a replacement level player in 2024. Baseball reference has him playing at a 1.5 inning pace roughly over a full season of at bats.
That’s not good. But it’s not bad considering he has a 522 OPS and is batting 183.
He’s overpaid but I imagine he can help someone over the next few months.
jnorthey
Any contending team desperate for real defense in CF should chase him. His defense is amazing to watch. We’ve been spoiled here in Toronto with him and Varsho and Springer in the OF.
BlueSkies_LA
Keirmaier and Kiner-Falefa to the Dodgers for a lottery ticket.
jnorthey
Can’t see IKF going for anything short of a real prospect as he has been a key piece this year and is signed for 2025 very cheaply ($7.5 mil).
mlbnyyfan
I wish the Yankees would say good bye to DJL. Buy him out. Say good bye. I want to see what Pereza or Vivas can do
BlueSkies_LA
They’d also be taking on Kerimaier’s salary, which nobody is going to do on a straight waiver claim, and by a lottery ticket I mean a well-rated prospect currently playing in low-A ball. And keep in mind the Jays would be selling because they are going nowhere this year, and IKF is currently on the IL. The Dodgers might also be interested in bringing back Yimi Garcia. A trade between the Jays and the Dodgers could get really interesting.
MacGromit
@ Blue skies
seems LA already has plenty of kinda falafel with as much great street food trucks as they have
BlueSkies_LA
Everybody’s a comedian, but I wouldn’t quit my day job just yet.
ohyeadam
IKF would be perfect for the Dodgers. Replace Kike or Taylor or Biggio
BlueSkies_LA
To me he makes a lot more sense than Bichette. He could play 3B now and fill in at SS and 2B when Muncy and Mookie come back. Either way, Biggio goes right down the chute. I don’t know why he isn’t a subject of trade conversation unless the Jays are saying absolutely no way. I haven’t heard that and I can’t imagine why they’d take this position.
hiflew
So in theory, the team playing the Jays could claim him during a game and leave the their opponent down one player. Heck, they could even claim him in between innings when he is due to bat.
Canuckleball
I don’t think it happens that fast.
Also don’t think a team would take on 4 million just to avoid having to pitch to KK. Some would be more willing to pay 4 million so they COULD pitch to KK.
hiflew
It can. Players have been removed in the middle of games because they were traded. I’ll never forget the crowd reaction when Austin Jackson of the Tigers was removed from CF because he was traded for David Price. Brought tears to my eyes and I am not even a Tigers fan.
KamKid
I’m not sure Kiermaier is so scary to face that you’d pull those shenanigans.
hiflew
It’s not about him being scary, it’s about putting your opponent at a disadvantage.
bestone
The Jays are already playing with a disadvantage….a front office that has no baseball IQ.
Mendoza Line 215
There was a trade like that in the 1970’s I believe when Joel Youngblood went from the Mets to the Reds or vice verse in the middle of a doubleheader and switched teams and played both games.
Now THAT had to be awkward.
positively_broad_st
Mets to Expos…
positively_broad_st
1982
Niekro floater
If I recall correctly Youngblood had a hit in both games that day. He wasn’t bad lil bench guy/PH.
jimmertee
Not very classy to waiver a guy that is playing in a game the same time. Just because they can do it doesn’t mean they should do it.
MacGromit
it seems these days that the wallet is greater than a team’s desire to be classy
bestone
Agreed…I understand it’s a business, but it’s not classy moves like this that irk current players, and make the front office look dodgy to potential free agents. Hopefully the fans feel this too and save their money for other entertainment….
jimmertee
Imagine how players on the BlueJays feel when they see this type of mgmt decision-making? No one is going to come to Toronto to play unless they are substantially more money on AAV or term and even then the Bluejays will be on agency no trade or no sign lists.
bestone
As before, a more classy organization would try to work a trade in the background. It’s not a great look to deem a player “surplus”, months after signing him, especially a player that is not just a “scrub”, but has some gold glove recognition….
letitbelowenstein
KK has become white Jackie Bradley, Jr.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Good analogy
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I thought you meant KKK at first, mixed in with the word “black.” You might want to be careful, buddy.
letitbelowenstein
Merely didn’t want to spell out the guy’s name, even though it’s right in front of me. You get older, you get lazy like that.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I was mostly joking, I get it
KamKid
I doubt he’d get claimed at that freight. But off they want to try this strategy, how about Turner?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
They couldn’t trade him wow
Back to the rays?
its_happening
A business decision. Not a big deal. Made an outstanding catch today. If his defense has “slipped”, majority of teams would take current Kiermaier in centre late in games.
Murphy NFLD
Im a jays fan and of course i want Bo signed for 7-10 years but realistically i dont think he wants that nore the jays. When Shapkins first took over “sources say ownership wanted to give it another go with what they had and then go full rebuild later. So while all that cant be solely placed at there feet, that had apparently an elite trade package for Donaldson but balked as they were told give it 1 more go. They would have not signed Morales or trade for Grichuk. All signs point to making the moves now and before next season. Bo, Vlad, Berrios, Gausman and Bassit are all guys with extra that should be deal between today and April. Kikuchi, Jansen and the pen guys have to be traded. Jansen not getting resigned, trading Morreno and now like Varsho aswell shows how incompetent they are at running an organization.
Murphy NFLD
I will say even tho im not a fan and there time is up when you take there draft history out they made many more good moves then bad ones. Grichuk, Teoscar (going amd coming) Berrios, getting chapman, espinal for nothing, the goes for his signings very few are out right bad two Yamaguchi and Roark come to mind. Bottom like is the staff/team/management cand either draft, develop or both like click go from here and re evaluate in October
its_happening
Grichuk’s extension was not a good move nor was it necessary. Also, Jays lost the Teoscar trade to Seattle by not replenishing his bat. Berrios was a big trade made being mid-pack and underperforming because the Jays forgot to trade prospects for pitching in 2021.
Breaking it down, more bad moves than good by this team. Derek Fisher, Pillar trade, Happ trade.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Jays fans were raving about this guy when they resigned him, claiming that he was a big “capstone” to their offseason.
I did say I thought the Jays would fade this year and I predicted that if there was one team worse than the Red Sox, it would be the Jays. I did have Jays 4th ahead of the Sox, but it’s looking like they’ll be 5th place now. Their offseason was abysmal and they’re paying the price for it now.
This guy was never a capstone to their offseason. Sorry. They needed more done than resigning him.
Niekro floater
The suspense is killing me ! Think he goes unclaimed.
kingbum
I’d prefer having JT back in Boston but Kiermaier wouldn’t be a bad veteran to have around either. The Boston team is Devers and a bunch of kids really for position players. The bullpen has Jansen and the rotation has Pivetta. I think the bench needs a veteran or 2 for guidance really.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
We have too many position players as is in Boston, and even more once they come back from injury