As the White Sox look to sell at the trade deadline, the team is reportedly open to discussing pretty much everyone on the roster, ranging from short-term veterans to more controllable players like Garrett Crochet. However, the Sox also recently had some talks with Crochet and his reps at CAA Sports about a contract extension, according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. These negotiations were “brief” and the team has “no optimism towards reaching an agreement,” and thus Nightengale writes that the White Sox are now indeed planning to move Crochet at the deadline, even though he is still under arbitration control through the 2026 season.
Crochet is on the hill against the Rockies today for the 18th start of a breakout campaign. The southpaw has a 3.05 ERA over 94 1/3 innings, with a league-best 130 strikeouts and 12.4 K/9, plus a 34.9% strikeout rate that ranks in the 98th percentile of all pitchers. This ability to miss bats has been paired with limited free passes, as Crochet’s 5.4% walk rate is a key stat given how he had dealt with some control issues in his young career. Crochet’s cutter and his 96.9mph fastball are both among the deadliest pitches in the league, leaving batters fooled unless they can capitalize on his below-average slider.
This kind of production isn’t exactly a surprise, given that Crochet was the 11th overall pick of the 2020 draft and was seen as an advanced enough prospect that he made his debut that very season, tossing six innings over five appearances. Chicago further eased him into the majors in 2021 by using him as a reliever, and Crochet delivered a 2.82 ERA over 54 1/3 innings out of the Sox bullpen. However, the injury concerns that long surrounded Crochet struck in 2022, as a Tommy John surgery cost him the entirety of that season and limited him to 12 2/3 frames in 2023.
Though it is quite rare to see midseason extensions actually finalized, it is common practice for clubs to at least broach the idea of a longer-term deal with potential trade candidates. After all, if a player has enough value to draw trade attention from multiple rival teams, that same player can provide value to his own team, so there’s no harm in a club seeing if any common ground could be found on a multi-year contract.
This logic even extends to a team like the White Sox, who are a lot closer to a full-on fire sale than they are to contending in the near future. Crochet only just turned 25 this month, and has been so impressive in his first season as a starting pitcher that he looks like he could be a front-of-the-rotation staple. Even if the Sox might internally acknowledge that it’ll take a few years to fully right the ship, Crochet is still young enough that it is possible to see him as the ace of the next contending White Sox club….as long as he isn’t traded, of course.
Interestingly, Nightengale floats the idea that a long-term contract might also factor into Crochet’s trade situation, as Crochet and his representations might quickly seek out an extension with a new team. Since Crochet has already thrown more innings (94 1/3) in 2024 than in the rest of his pro career combined (85 1/3 innings in the majors and minors from 2020-23), Nightengale suggested that Crochet might seek out some extra financial security to mitigate the extra risk if a new team asks him to put a lot more innings on his arm over the course of the regular season and potentially into October.
In terms of how the White Sox themselves intend to manage Crochet, Nightengale writes that the club “and Crochet already have a firm plan in place to greatly limit his workload.” This description runs somewhat counter to the looser arrangement Sox manager Pedro Grifol described to The Associated Press and other reporters earlier this week. Grifol didn’t describe the situation as an actual innings limit, citing a hypothetical scenario where Crochet might sail through several innings in a start on a low pitch count.
“It’s not something we’re going to put out and say, ’Here’s what we’re doing,’ because nothing in this game is black and white…He’s slowly detraining through the course of the year so he can finish the season,” Grifol said. “We’re not going to detrain him and build him back to the capacity where he was at the start of the season. This is going downhill now. We have to really monitor his workload.”
A team that acquired Crochet would surely have these same innings-management concerns in mind, which adds another wrinkle to his trade market. Could a team with some rotation depth problems but with a fairly stable top two or three pitchers use Crochet as a starter to ensure they reach the playoffs, and then use Crochet as an (overqualified) relief weapon in the postseason? Could a team multiple decent starters but not a clear-cut ace perhaps insert Crochet as part of a six-man rotation, in order to try and keep him fresh for the playoffs? Or, could a team that is only a borderline contender this season acquire Crochet and stick to Chicago’s plan, perhaps more with an eye towards a full-fledged run at contention in 2025?
There is no shortage of interest in Crochet, as Nightengale reports that 15 teams have checked in with the White Sox front office about the left-hander’s services. The Sox have already turned down one offer from the Dodgers, who stand out as a logical suitor for several reasons — their win-now mentality, their rotation needs amidst several injuries to starters, and a deep farm system that would theoretically meet Chicago’s sky-high asking price.
In terms of other White Sox trade chips, Luis Robert Jr. continues to generate interest, but Nightengale feels the Sox might not have as much motivation to move the outfielder by the deadline. Robert missed close to two months of the season with a hip flexor strain and has only a .206/.280/.486 slash line over his first 118 plate appearances, albeit with eight home runs. With this latest injury and Robert’s modest production in mind, the White Sox wouldn’t exactly be selling high if they dealt Robert by July 30, so the team could wait until the offseason to more fully gauge offers (after Robert has presumably finished off the 2024 season in healthy and productive fashion). Robert’s contract comes with a pair of club options that control his services through 2027, so the White Sox have some flexibility in waiting to see if an acceptable trade offer emerges.
The Sox are also “openly shopping” Andrew Benintendi, Nightengale writes, which comes as zero surprise. If Crochet and Robert are Chicago’s top trade chips, Benintendi represents the other end of the spectrum, as a pricey veteran who is struggling through his second consecutive rough seasons. Since Benintendi is owed $47.5MM over the 2025-27 seasons, the White Sox would either have to eat all or virtually all of that remaining salary to facilitate a trade, or swap Benintendi for another unfavorable contract. Neither scenario would provide much benefit to the Sox, so Benintendi could remain one for the more immovable players in the sport.
The Baseball Fan
Why am I a fan of this team anymore.
IronBallsMcGinty
I ask myself the same thing. It isn’t easy but maybe we should be inspired by Pedro Grifol and “detrain” ourselves.
deweybelongsinthehall
White Sox ownership more likely wanted a deal with Crochet to ENHANCE his trade value as it’s doubtful they will be competitive in his window.
Blackpink in the area
A rebuild if done properly can be a lot of fun and lead to many years of success. As a fan I think you should embrace the rebuild instead of acting as if this is some quick and easy fix.
IronBallsMcGinty
I don’t think anyone necessarily thinks it’s a quick fix. The team just recently had a rebuild and it didn’t quite pan out. The organization itself is the real disappointment.
Blackpink in the area
Playing bad sucks but it is what it is. Frankly it’s been injuries more than anything else that derailed this team. But as it stands today a full year down is what makes sense. Embrace it stop whining about what you can’t change.
just_thinkin
I enjoyed the heck out of the Orioles rebuild years because I had confidence in all the things going on behind the scenes with drafting and development, building the international side of things, etc.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah Orioles did it right and are a lot of fun now. Astros did it right have been great for years. Cubs weren’t perfect but they got a championship and that’s huge.
kroeg49
The Orioles didn’t have to deal with the draft lottery and had super high picks throughout all of the draft rounds for at least 3 or 4 years.
The White Sox WILL NOT have that luxury no matter how bad they play in this and the next 3 or 4 years because of the lottery process. HUGE DIFFERENCE!
Nosferatu Zodd
Henderson, Westerburg, and Mayo were not top 5 picks.
Even with the Lottery there a good chance of getting multiple top 5 picks.
dm867
How many first rounders are actually successful? You have to draft and scout well and then you still have to have a little luck.
Nosferatu Zodd
For all the success the Astros had they only batted .333 on 1/1s.
Samuel
kroeg49;
The O’s successful draft choices were not all #1 in the first round. Example: Gunner Henderson was taken as the 1st pick in the 2nd round (any team could have had him in the 1st round). Most of their successful choices were from the 2nd round and later.
The O’s were successful because Sig Mejdal was the primary person running their drafts. He also was the primary running the Astros drafts. He has a system he debugged going back to his days with the Cardinals in the early 2000’s.
The issue with the White Sox is who is the person coordinating their drafts, and what is their history / experience in drafting. I have no idea who is responsible and what their past record is. Doubt any poster here knows.
Very few teams are consistently successful running drafts. The draft has to be coordinated with all the scouting and coaching departments. What has changed with the White Sox in those areas?
The White Sox GM was promoted from within. The White Sox have proven to be quite inept in recognizing young talent and then developing it. Doesn’t matter how the Sox acquire players: drafting, trades, waiver wire, FA signings, etc. I don’t know why anyone would expect that to change for the better to any degree.
myaccount2
@Nosferatu- Fair, but missing out on one of those 1-1s led to a comp pick and drafting Bregman at 1-2 the following year. So it’s almost like that miss was a hit.
Van Lingle Mungo
“If done properly” is the key to this sentence. Does anyone have faith that the White sox organization can draft talented players or acquire talented players and allow them to flourish? Moncada was supposed to be can’t miss and now he’s practically untradeable.
Blackpink in the area
What choices do they have? It’s either rebuild or keep the talent they have until it’s no longer valuable.
Moncada had injury problems. So did Jiminez. So does Robert. So does Crochet.
Prospectnvstr
Van Lingo Mungo: If you get DRAFTED or SIGNED to (either/or) a MILB or MLB contract you have to be a “TALENTED PLAYER”.
jimrad
They have heart problems ,not injury problems!
JoeBrady
Prospectnvstr
you have to be a “TALENTED PLAYER”.
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You need to incorporate context into your reading. When people say that a given player is no good, you should assume that means that they are no good relative to other players, and NOT relative to software engineers.
Jackalopal
It’s different if there are good recent memories. They were the division favorite and up and coming 2 years ago.
Atlanta Jack
The problem is we are rebuilding the majority of time.
EMDSoxFan
Normally, I would embrace it. But the White Sox executives and coaches can screw up a one car funeral. I don’t trust them to rebuild anything.
roob
“Done properly” is the White Sox part that you miss.
JoeBrady
Blackpink in the area
A rebuild if done properly can be a lot of fun and lead to many years of success. As a fan I think you should embrace the rebuild
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Absolutely yes. I can understand the WS frustration, but even as a big-market RS fan, I’ve often been annoyed trying to figure out how we were going to have a contender without having young kids come up.
Now, I don’t know how many of these kids will succeed, but we have at least 11 starting players that are young with multiple years of control left, in addition to 4-5 good prospects.
Fans that have an attention span great than one year should be excited.
SalaryCapMyth
I feel bad for any fans that have to go through this and it wasn’t so long ago White Sox fans had to put up with a tier down and rebuild. It also sucks watching the vultures circle and hypothesize trades that land their team your best talent for their spare parts.
The White Sox have right to ask for the moon to land Crochet. The problem is, with how much attention pitching injuries have gotten, it might be difficult to do this.
I wish a quick rebuild for White Sox fans. It sucks that you guys have to go through this again. I hope your front office can find a way not to stumble over their own feet.
Blackpink in the area
Quick rebuilds often are unsuccessful rebuilds. Do it right and you have a contender for years to come.
There is no reason for the White Sox to keep any of their talented players. They are terrible with them they will be terrible without them but they will have prospects in their place.
SalaryCapMyth
I said a quick rebuild, not a shoddy rebuild like they’ve been through already. I meant it more like a Sunday morning benediction, really. 0=)
Obviously they have no reason to keep their talent. I simply wish them well in their endeavors.
maxmilna
No idea, but I’m sure your wife sucks too and I bet you’re still with her.
MysterySpot
Most guys tend to prefer when the wife sucks. Perhaps you’re confused.
drasco036
Who season is/was more disappointing, the White Sox last year or this seasons Cubs?
Aiden Awe
This seasons Cubs by a mile. Wsox were projected to be a regular bad team, not 24-62 bad.
drasco036
Last year the White Sox were projected to win the Central and went on to lose over 100 games.
Rally Goose
Exhibit A why you don’t rush a prospect (especially a pitcher) to MLB.
MLB Fanatic
Or crap happens and he’s now bounced back to being one of the best pitchers in MLB.
johng946
What about Chris Sale?
deweybelongsinthehall
Rally, pitchers get injured in the minors as well. It’s because they’re overthrowing and trying to develop pitches way before their arm muscles develop.
Rally Goose
@deweybelongsinthehall Pitchers who get injured in the minors don’t accrue major league service time while sitting on the IL.
SteveFinleyEnthusiast
I tend to take things Boob reports with a grain of salt (moreso than others not named Jeff Passan), but I’d think this is the best course of action given the overall state of the White Sox. Given his Crochet’s injury history/innings limit, could be a opportunity to sell high, restock the farm, and build up from there.
Dogbone
This does smell like old Nightengale is doing Reinsdorf a favor with planting this article.
And I would bet LaRussa was somewhere involved in the picture.
And Reinsdorf has to like the whole idea, because he knows Crochet will begin to get a bit expensive.
Same ol White Sox.
Pants Rowland
Exactly
Reinsdorf is a pathetic douchebag.
Reinsdorf would rather go to his grave with a personal net worth of $2.3 Billion, than spend any of his precious money (especially on starting pitching) to field a competitive team while finally keeling over with a net worth of $1.75 Billion.
If anyone doesn’t believe me, go ask Black Jack Mcdowell.
Dogbone
And to think – Reinsdorf paid about $20 million to BUY the White Sox. Poor guy, but people seem to be ok with Ronald Reagan’s “trickle down economics”.
TurnOffTheTV
No republican ever used the term trickle down economics. It was 100% an invention of the media.
seamaholic 2
I know, one of the best and most accurate political epithets ever created. Would love to meet the Dem operative who thought it up.
Viveleempireevil
Ronald Reagan has been dead for over 20 years.
gbs42
TOTTV,
Even if no republican used the term, it’s an accurate reflection of what Reagan targeted – give the wealthy more money, and they’ll sprinkle a little of their largesse on the masses.
outinleftfield
Reagan literally said those exact words in multiple speeches. Lying doesn’t work when some of us are old enough to have actually listened to his speeches and voted for him.
DeepDownSouth
Thats why he’s a talking points the the Dems & don’t wanna mention the current Prez
DeepDownSouth
How is Ole Joe doing? Nevermind most of us saw how he’s doing the other night. I loved the, “I don’t know what he said & I’m sure he doesn’t know either” quote from the next Prez to moderaters.
gbs42
DDS,
Joe was YUGE! He’s the best 81-year-old President ever. And the worst.
How are these the two candidates for this job? Any good hiring manager reviewing their resumes for any other position would never have brought either of them in for an interview.
JoeBrady
people seem to be ok with Ronald Reagan’s “trickle down economics”.
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As someone that lived thru the 70s and 80s, no serious person would suggest that the 70s economy was better than the 80s economy.
JoeBrady
Don’t make fun. He answered all the questions, didn’t he?
Seriously, the voters are to blame for some of this. Feinstein had to have her hand held up to vote for things that she didn’t understand. McConnell should probably not be allowed to drive. Menendez has been stealing for years and could still get re-elected.
Trump might have Asperger’s, but at least voters will understand & agree with his position on immigration. Both are fairly useless, but Trump has better talking points.
gbs42
I’m not going to get into (another) political argument here, but I wouldn’t assume people agree with a candidate’s position on anything. Nothing is universal, especially in such a polarized environment.
pohle
the environment is so polarized because we are sticking to a two party system! thats it. unfortunate, but a lot of young people just do what their parents do, with some folks even going so far as to write out their parents’ ballots for them and ask for a signature. that is where the real issue lies, george washington told us as much during his first presidency
outinleftfield
If Nightengale says it, it’s probably not true. He does great on reporting things like how much a player signed for after the fact, but when it comes to rumors he is proven wrong every single time.
Aiden Awe
Don’t support everything you read on the internet. Its 50/50 if Crochet is traded.
outinleftfield
I don’t support Nightengale. Rarely read his columns. He is among the worst of the “it doesn’t matter if I am making stuff up as long as I get more clicks” type of sports journalists. And I use the term journalist lightly when speaking about him and others of his ilk.
C Yards Jeff
Like “SteveFinleyEnthusiast” moniker. Me too. IMO, the only reason why Baltimore traded him to Houston was because Houston balked when Baltimore offered up Brady Anderson. Steve was so much better than Brady.
SteveFinleyEnthusiast
He was my favorite Padre growing up (besides Tony of course). I was heartbroken when they let him walk after the ’98 World Series.
Adriann
If Crochet had one season of 180 innings or 200 he would bring a kings ransom. He is at best Chris Sale and at worst Andrew Miller.
Aiden Awe
Yep.
Blackpink in the area
At worst he’s a guy who can’t stay healthy. That’s the worst.
B Thomas
Other than the TJ surgery what are you talking about? Are you saying anyone with TJ is a huge injury risk?
Blackpink in the area
Someone with no history of pitching a significant number of innings and then a TJ surgery is a huge injury risk.
vtadave
Sore shoulder (2023)
Tommy John (2022)
Back strain (2021)
Blister (2021)
Forearm injury (2020)
I’m sure he’ll be fine though.
DeepDownSouth
Wow, another pro baseball talent evaluator comes online. Where do you get such knowledge? From your dog walking job? Just asking for J.R.
woodhead1986
Can’t hear you with that orange baby carrot in your mouth
Aiden Awe
I understand why they need to trade both Robert and Crochet. Less than 10% that Beni is traded though, 50/50 on Crochet and Robert. Maybe the Wsox wanted to extend Crochet but didn’t get too far into an extension due to time constraints.
Dogbone
Aiden, I doubt it was ‘time constraints’. Probably Jerry almost had the ‘big one’, when Crochet named his asking price.
Aiden Awe
We don’t know what Crochet extension offer was. Maybe they lowball on him and turned it down who knows.
geotheo
Wonder if the hang up was a no trade clause. If you are Crochet the last thing you want to do is give the White Sox a “hometown discount “ and then get traded to the Dodgers or Yankees. Maybe a limited no trade clause could be negotiated. But the White Sox can take their time. If no one makes an offer they like they can hold on until the offseason
stymeedone
You assume that a player exists that wants to remain playing for Reinsdorf.
sfu13
Sure reinsdorf might suck, but at least they wouldn’t have to play in a toilet like Detroit.
DeepDownSouth
Oh, like Chicago the the place every baseball player wants to go get murdered in? RIGHT?
teddyj
Or step in human feces in San Fran
JoeBrady
I’m guessing at least some of this was Crochet not being sure if he wanted to stay on the WS. Assuming he doesn’t get hurt in his next 2-3 starts, I’m sure the WS offer will still be on the table. He’s probably better off getting traded to a big market team.
Van Lingle Mungo
Beni will be traded if they attach him to Robert or Crochet a la Price in the Mookie trade. That does kill the value that comes back though.
holecamels35
They should just eat it and move on. It’s not like they have to clear that money to spend on a different player in the offseason.
pohle
cut benintendi today and trade crochet by the end of this week. ask for a kings ransom, but tell teams he is going early. someone will kick in that extra prospect they were seeking. keep clearing house after that, whatever isnt nailed down & the hammer.
kroeg49
Time restraint my but. Reinsdork just doesn’t want to spend his money
tjg25
The White Sox wouldn’t be far from contending but for decades of poor management and zero optimism in this current group. Trading Crochet or Robert will only be a step backwards.
Aiden Awe
True, but I don’t see the Wsox having a winning season til 2026 or 2027.
Blackpink in the area
You trade Robert and Crochet and build towards contending in 2028 and beyond once Benintendis contract is off the books and the prospects have developed.
Aiden Awe
I say 2026 or 2027 due the low committed payroll after this season. I’m not disagreeing with you whatsoever. I say 2027 is a winning season and 2028 is a playoff season.
Blackpink in the area
I think 2027 could be a 500 season then contenders from that point forward. That would be the earliest imo. The White Sox aren’t poor they can afford to spend again when it makes sense but they gotta spend smarter.
Aiden Awe
Exactly.
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It will be 2025 next year and the white sox have one of the worst rated farms in baseball. I’ve got news for you; at best you’re .500 in 2029 if Getz hits on trades (likely would be higher quality prospects if he takes guys in rookie or A ball). Then you have to nail the draft with the new rules that becomes more difficult to find impact talent that you can get to the league <3 years…you're in for a lengthy rebuild if done correctly.
Blackpink in the area
Their farm isn’t one of the worst anymore it’s improved a lot in the last year or so. And the White Sox have lots of guys to trade they can improve it quite a bit with those deals plus the 5th overall pick in this year’s draft and most likely a top 5 pick in next years draft.
B Thomas
They aren’t allowed a top 10 because they don’t receive revenue sharing you can’t draft through the lottery in back to back season. They will be worst in the league by 10-20 games and pick 10th!
Blackpink in the area
10th instead of top 5 isn’t that big of a deal. That doesn’t change anything.
IronBallsMcGinty
Another thing that will help is to move on from Pedro. Just because they suck is no reason to keep him at the helm. This group of young players they picked up and any they acquire in upcoming trades would be better served learning under a sharper manager. Get them acclimated now so they can start spring training with familiarity. Maybe Charlie would do better. Sergio Santos could be an interesting possibility as well. He’s got Birmingham playing pretty well.
Aiden Awe
Exactly the next manager of the Wsox can’t be worse than Pedro.
kroeg49
All those TOP prospects from Boston for Sale are dog doo doo!
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Chris Sale JR????
Dogbone
Maybe the Cubs could make the Sox a tempting package built around Sox fan favorite – Nick Madrigal? Say Madrigal, Mervis, Chase Strumpf and next years Sox, opening day starter – none other than Drew Smyly. Wisdom or Mastrobuouni could sweeten the package. Yum yum.
Gwynning
You might be joking, Dogbone… in which case I’d give you a high five and chuckle. That can’t be a realistic and thought-provoking trade offer, though. WSox could find 15 better offers than to settle for Cubbie rejects.
pohle
madrigal was traded from sox to cubs, that has to be the punch line, in which case it is a funny and slightly thought-provoking suggestion
Unclemike1525
I said before the season that the White Sox starters could be sneaky good and I was right. They have a lot of problems but Crochet isn’t one of them. I’d probably tell them I wanted a Billion dollars just so they’d trade me also. The White Sox do have some pretty good pitching coming, Most of which is in Birmingham. There needs to be an exodus. Vaughn is not what he was supposed to be. Maybe not his fault but he needs a change of scenery. I wouldn’t trade Robert at the deadline but I would definitely be thinking about it in the off season when they could probably get more. Moncada and Jimenez need to go but are basically worthless in a trade. Like I’ve said in other articles, They should trade anything that isn’t nailed down, And bring a crowbar in case somebody wants the floor they’re standing on. Getz might be OK but only if he fires that crap manager and grows a pair.
Acoss1331
I agree with your assessment of the White Sox, Getz should definitely be listening for offers at the deadline and this offseason on everyone. Moncada and Jimenez have team options that the White Sox are not picking up, so those two are gone after this year. I’m not sure when Getz would want to deal Luis Robert, probably in the offseason my guess
JoeBrady
Unclemike1526
I said before the season that the White Sox starters could be sneaky good and I was right.
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Their rotation is #26 out of 29 (excl the Rox). Is that really ‘sneaky good’?
Unclemike1525
When you consider what they were supposed to have yeah they’ve been sneaky good. If they had any kind of bullpen, defense or run support they’d be a lot better than the sum of their parts. If they’re so bad how come everybody seems to want them?
JoeBrady
The WS had to be favored to have a better ERA than the Rox and the As. That means you only beat out two legit rotations. It’s almost impossible to be sneaky good and that bad.
teddyj
It’s sneaky , but probably not good
Johnny utah
crochet had more walks than IP last year
and now looks like a cy young winner
he’s had a whirlwind few yrs, went straight to majors from college, pegged as a RP, then out with TJ. amazing turnaround
Rsox
The only way the White Sox are trading Benintendi is as a salary dump for another bad contract or by sending a blue chip prospect with him.
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
My immediate reaction was in a trade including Dejong with the red Sox for Yoshida. Yoshida shouldn’t be in the long term plans for the Red Sox who have the financial flexibility to move on from either contract but at least benintendi can play respectable corner OF.
Rsox
Yoshida makes no sense for a White Sox team basically tearing it down. Benintendi didn’t leave under the best circumstances and it’s unlikely either side is interested in a reunion.
mohoney
Benintendi is one of the worst defensive OFs in the sport. His corner OF play is FAR from “respectable” these days.
JoeBrady
There would be no spot of the roster anyway. The OF is O’Neill-Duran-Rafaela-Abreu-Ref. And since I’d bet on Yoshida having a better OPS, that trade would make no sense.
hiflew
Benintendi for Kris Bryant. Either another contract from the Sox or a prospect from the Rockies could be added. The Sox would get a big time draw back in Chicago. Ticket sales are all they really have to look forward to the next couple years, so maybe they would be one of the pnly places where a Bryant trade makes sense.
Acoss1331
I’d take that. As you said Bryant back in Chicago would increase ticket sales from all the Cubs fans feeling nostalgic.
Gwynning
Nobody is taking KB off your hands, and a penny-pinchin’ Reinsdorf is no exception.
Acoss1331
Rockies would need to kick in money, Bryant’s AAV is higher than Benitendi’s salary. That’s the only way that deal works I think.
hiflew
Yeah I could see that. That is why I suggest the ChiSox add another salary or the Rox add a prospect. But it doesn’t seem like Chicago has any more real bad contracts to pawn off. So maybe a blocked Rockies prospect could be added.
hiflew
One of the things I have learned in watching baseball for over 40 years is that there is no such thing as an untradable player. Roberto Osuna and Aroldis Chapman were both traded while under DV suspension. Guys like Josh Hamilton and Vernon Wells were once traded when they even bigger anchors than KB.
I’m not saying it is likely to happen, but to think it is impossible is just wrong. And I can always hope.
JoeBrady
He did say that the Rox would have to attach a prospect. It won’t happen. Benni is owed ~ $49M and Bryant owed $108M. I don’t see any way the Rox fork up a prospect worth $59M.
mohoney
The shambling corpse of Kris Bryant would do absolutely nothing to increase interest in the White Sox.
hiflew
You obviously didn’t see the standing ovation he got in Wrigley at the beginning of the year. Chicago loves him and always will.
JoeBrady
No one is buying WS tickets just to see Bryant. They might love the guy, but they won’t buy tickets just to watch Bryant hit .200 or so on an awful team.
YanksPhan42
Would love to trade for him, but he only threw 25 total innings last year between minors and the show. Can you use him as a starter all year? Yankees facing the same thing with Gil.
Blackpink in the area
I certainly think the White Sox should trade Crochet but who does he make sense for? The Orioles are a pretty good fit. Maybe the Guardians? I just don’t see how he’s helping a team in October.
JoeBrady
but who does he make sense for?
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I’d say:
Red Sox
Minny
Astros
Mets
Pirates (!)
Padres (!)
Dbacks
Red Sox
It’s a fair point that he might not be available in October on an innings limit, but these teams still have to get into the playoffs.
I mention the Pirates because he could create a lot of excitement for the fans when combined with Skenes, and they could open the bidding with Henry Davis. He was a reach at 1/1, but still a heck of a trade chip.
The Padres are there because Crochet might guarantee the playoffs, and there is no telling how much Preller would be willing to pay up.
Blackpink in the area
You could add the Cardinals to that list but again who wants a guy for a postseason run that has to be shut down by the time the postseason starts?
JoeBrady
Teams that want to make the playoffs, but aren’t a royal lock, would have the interest.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah I think those teams make the most sense teams like the Cardinals and Red Sox but still he’s not gonna help much in October.
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, depending on price, I’d still trade for him. He’d make us a favorite over any of the remaining WC candidates and likely be available for a 25/26 run.
Blackpink in the area
Yeah I am a Cardinals fan and yes I would take him too just not for as much as some people think he’s worth. You just better have other options in October.
outinleftfield
Prior to the injury that led to TJ in 2021, Crochet had not started a game as a pro and he had about 25 IP total between AAA and the majors last season. The White Sox said when they decided to make him a starter that they were shooting for getting him 110-120 IP this season and with 94 IP now he should have that many innings in his first start after the ASG.
With those things in mind, why would any team trade for him knowing that he will be not be able to pitch for them down the stretch this season? Why not wait and pick him up in the offseason?
Blackpink in the area
Here is a list of players I think the White Sox should trade by the deadline
Crochet
Robert
Fedde
Vaughn
Clevinger
Jiminez
Moncada
Kopech
Probably forgetting someone. Some of those guys only have value if the White Sox eat salary but they can do that. Benintendi I think they are stuck with.
I like Robert as a fit for the Phillies, Cubs and Cardinals. The Phillies are the team if they can afford more salary. If they can’t then perhaps
Robert
Clevinger
For
Crawford
Painter
Walker
IronBallsMcGinty
DeJong and Pham
Blackpink in the area
Yep both of them for sure should be traded.
whitesoxfan5207
And Breebia & Wilson.
Dogbone
Sure blackpink – the line is around the block already – for all the teams wanting a crack at Moncada and Eloy ( and his salary).
Not to mention Vaughn.
Blackpink in the area
As I said some players will need to have salary paid in order to have value. If the White Sox pay all of Moncadas salary someone would want him. Same with Jiminez. Vaughn is a mess but he’s still cheap and has top of the draft pedigree.
The White Sox basically have 2 valuable assets in Robert and Crochet. The rest of their guys have warts but it still makes sense for the White Sox to trade them.
UWPSUPERFAN77
You make a lot of sense!
Unclemike1525
White Sox? Eat Salary? Have you been tested for drugs? Pee into a cup and then wash your mouth out for that one. Eat salary! Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Tee Hee.
Blackpink in the area
The White Sox are eating Moncadas salary one way or another. Might as well do so and get something back for him. Cubs could use a 3b right?
Dogbone
No thanks.
mohoney
Reinsdorf doesn’t believe in subsidizing salary for other teams. If Reinsdorf is paying a player, then that player is damn sure going to play, regardless of how badly he sucks.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Basically, sack the whole team. I think you need to convince the owner to sell the team and start over!
JoeBrady
Robert
Clevinger
For
Crawford
Painter
Walker
Not enough if you are including Walker w/ $36M+ still due him. I love Painter, but he is coming off of TJS. Crawford is still iffy on the K/W. But Painter + Crawford for Robert is fair.
Blackpink in the area
Painter is a top 20 prospect. That’s about fair for Robert. Just like Mayo would be fair for Robert. Robert has some large salaries coming up and has a long injury history.
JoeBrady
I would agree that it is a starting point. But Painter still has the TJS. It’s not a death warrant, but some guy do recover poorly.
cwsOverhaul
Unless WSox can snag 2 great position player prospects (not DH types), shut him down soon after deadline and wait until offseason.
All that said, no successful rebuild is possible if the orgztn doesn’t have personnel capable of developing position players at all levels for plate discipline/defense. It’s been 25yrs of being “lost” on that front.
mohoney
“Actively shopping Andrew Benintendi” has to be the funniest thing I have ever read on this website.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Nobody wants him until he shows He is a Cheap Ham and Egger. after you pay over half of his salary. Better luck next year!
gorav114
I’d love to have him on the Orioles. Let him go to relief for the rest of season and start fresh as a starter again next season
Blackpink in the area
Crochet for Mayo. Who says no?
sfu13
White sox, not enough
Blackpink in the area
White Sox can say that and then not trade him and watch his value decrease by the day. Or better yet risk him getting hurt like all their other players have.
White Sox would be absolute fools not to take Mayo for Crochet. Fools.
sfu13
Sure trade an elite Ace pitcher for a guy with high bust potential, real smart. Keep being a keyboard Warrior, GM is definitely not in your future fella. News flash, injuries happen in sports sometimes freak accidents. That doesn’t mean you just trade everyone out of fear.
Blackpink in the area
Even if Crochet is an elite ace he’s only under control through 2026. And the White Sox are gonna be terrible during that time. What good is he doing on the White Sox?
sfu13
Blackpink I get it believe me I do, but maybe I’m naive I still think they can ink out an extension. Anything can happen when you still have two and a half years of control. I just don’t see the need to offload someone you developed into a miracle. I think a part of that is Brian bannister’s hiring as he’s been known as being able to develop pitchers. Maybe he is a fluke, but White Sox ownership has already done a good job murdering the fan base they shouldn’t do it some more. Also the White Sox probably will suck through 2026, but maybe they end up being good. Who knows? Eventually you have to develop a core and let them gel together. Sorry for the rambling.
Blackpink in the area
Even if you can work out an extension why? Why not trade Crochet get prospects back like a Mayo and then sign a different starter in a few years in free agency. Heck sign Crochet why not?
I don’t think Crochets value could possibly be higher than it is now. It’s time to trade him.
Ketch
I think. a Mayo/Crochet swap is a good framework
Aiden Awe
That would be a terrible trade. Mayo is pretty much a 50/50 prospect.
Aiden Awe
I don’t see them having a winning season til 2026 or 2027.
Blackpink in the area
Mayo is a top 20 prospect who has played very well at AAA. He’s better than 50 50 at this point. If Baltimore wasn’t so stacked with talent they would never even consider trading Mayo. I don’t see any team willing to trade a better prospect.
Blackpink in the area
Mayo has a 4 digit OPS at AAA as a 22 year old. And he plays 3b a tough defensive position. How could a White Sox fan not want him?
JoeBrady
Mayo is pretty much a 50/50 prospect.
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Not unfair, but what is the high-side on the 50?
JoeBrady
1-Probably won’t remain at 3rd.
2-Has a ton of Ks in his resume.
My guess is that the WS will be scared off by their recent history of hit-first prospects having no position to play but 1B/DH.
Blackpink in the area
The only reason there is talk of Mayo moving off of 3b at the moment is the Orioles have other guys there. It’s possible he outgrows it but that’s no guarantee.
And even if he has to move to 1b that’s a need for the White Sox.
Aiden Awe
Yep, he strikes out way too much.
Blackpink in the area
4 digit OPS at AAA at 22 years old.
I can’t remember a guy hitting that well at AAA at that age and not becoming a star.
Os1995
MLB average is 22% and Mayo has been between 23-25% in his 2 seasons in AAA. It is a little high but there have been tons of great hitters who have had worse k rates in AAA.
rayw
He’s actually made great strides at 3rd. He’ll stick there for awhile. As for his hitting, the ball just sounds different coming off his bat. Light tower power. Good BA, RBI’s – he’s gonna hit.
C Yards Jeff
Or keep him as a starter then shut him down for the rest of the season when that time comes. Orioles FO would do this move prioritizing future not so much this year. He would only be a small part of addressing pitching needs this year.
ih8tepaperstraws
They’ll Montgomery, Ramos and Gonzalez to play the infield with Vaughn, draft Kurtz or Caglinoe for DH. The White Sox aren’t that far off from being fun to watch. Probably 2026 and all those players will be every day starters. If they can trade Crochet and get back a top outfield prospect and a top pitching prospect, 3 or 4 players from a teams top 30, they’d be in a much better spot. I would love to see my Cardinals send Walker, Hence and Scott II for Crochet: The Cardinals are in a similar position. They too have a great shot at getting back to a contending team in 2026 if they could grab Crochet for next year and nail the draft with Kurtz if he falls to 7.
sfu13
Garrett crochet will not be traded for a team’s spare parts and crap.
rct
Sort of related, but I’m confused about Crochet’s path to the majors. He was drafted in the 34th round out of high school, so his high school numbers must not have been eye-popping. Then he decided on college, and his college stats weren’t very good (although good K numbers) and he didn’t even seem to have a defined role (several starts, some saves). Then he gets drafted 11th overall? Then he doesn’t even pitch in the minors? Was his stuff that good?
ih8tepaperstraws
He’s a beast. A throw back in a way. What other young guy has the stuff and size to be annual 200+ and around 300ks. Skenes is awesome but I don’t know if has complete games in him. I like to think of Crochet of the left handed version of the next Garrat Cole. Greatness potential in Crochet.
JoeBrady
He was drafted in the 34th round out of high school, so his high school numbers must not have been eye-popping.
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When a HS kid is drafted low, it is often on signability issues. You’ll see plenty of good kids drafted late as lottery tickets. Kjerstad was drafted in the 36th and 1st round, Lacy in the 31st and 1st, Martin in the 37th and 1st, etc.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Listening to the score, this AM, on the way to Church, . They think He would be a match made in Heaven to Baltimore. He would bring the best young player, not named Jackson to Chicago. Just passing it along!
tuck 2
Like who? They are not trading Jackson Mayo,Kjerstad or Basallo for a pitcher. Those guys will have 15 year careers and these days pitchers are a crap shoot.
seamaholic 2
Umm, you kinda need pitching
Ketch
I could see Mayo. The Orioles have a slew of better infielders and infield prospects blocking him.
Ketch
So the front runner for the AL Cy Young is the crapshoot but the prospect with 0 MLB experience has a guaranteed 15 year career? Got it.
C Yards Jeff
Not the front runner. On an innings count. Will be shut down.
Whomever would get him is doing so for the future not this season. A gamble with his injury history. If Orioles, Stowers and Norby for him and a high A prospect.
All said; this seems like smoke and mirrors hullabaloo. Young and controllable; even White Sox know to hold on.
Os1995
Stowers, Norby, and a high A prospect wouldnt get Grochet but it would be about right to get Fedde. I think Fedde would be good target because he can give us innings in the 2nd half.
JoeBrady
You are unlikely to have any of those guys for 15 years. And all the value is in the first 6 years. So it is 2.5 years of Crochet’s WAR v 6 years of WAR for the guys you mentioned.
And then add in the more subjective value of what a guy like Crochet might mean towards finishing 1st, or the playoffs in ’25/26.
SportsFan0000
They might trade some of those players if they could get LHSP Tarik Skubal and a great chance at a World Series Championship.
San Diego traded SS CJ Abrams, LHSP MacKenzie Gore (#1 Starter), OF James Woods, OF Robert Hassell III and others to the Nats
for just 1 1/2 years of Juan Soto.
So, Sheet happens!
JoeBrady
2.5 years of Soto.
tuck 2
I just don’t think GMs can risk giving up what the Sox think they will get for him. Innings limit, first year back from TJ. I think he brings 2 or 3 prospects but not elite ones
sfu13
Cool then the White Sox will just keep him. I for one look forward to seeing him pitch every 5 days like I used to with Mark Buehrle and Chris Sale.
Simm
You would have to better define an elite prospect. If you are talking a top 100 elite, top 10, 20, 50?. He is definitely going to get a top prospect or two depending on if the Sox want quality over quantity. My guess is the headliner is a top 50 prospect or in that range and 2-3 others. Perhaps one of the others being a back end top 100 guy. Unless they take quantity…people act like every prospect pans out on here. Even some top 10 guys in all of baseball don’t always pan out to be anything at all.
MPrck
CY Young at 25, and 2.5 years from riches, no deal. No one would do it.
rememberthecoop
If it was a serious offer (which I don’t think it was), he’d have to at least consider it given how fragile pitcher arms are. Also, given that Crochet has never thrown this many innings.
SportsFan0000
Deals like that are happening more frequently if a team can get to the World Series and win it.
ih8tepaperstraws
Anybody trading for Crochet needs to be doing so thinking it’s not a move for this year but, because you have years of control over himself, it’s a move for going for it 2025 and 2026. He still needs to be shut down at some point in August. Like Strasburg, he should not pitch in the post season.
NoNeckWilliams
It’s funny that the “geniuses” think that the White Sox are the only bad team in baseball, when the reality is that there are only 10 good teams in MLB.
… most of them spending a LOT more money.
JoeBrady
NoNeckWilliams
It’s funny that the “geniuses” think that the White Sox are the only bad team in baseball,
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1-Not even one of the 8B people in the world has ever said that they are the only bad team in BB.
2-And they are really, really bad. When you are 5.5 games behind the #29 worst team in BB, you can admit it, it is really, really bad.
Ketch
He’s an Oriole if they want him. Start the bidding with Coby Mayo.
letitbelowenstein
If the Sox were smart (??) they wouldn’t talk Mayo. They’d get into Westburg territory.
letitbelowenstein
Sox: We’d love to have you in our organization for years and years to come.
Crochet: Yeah (breaks up laughing) I’m going to pass on that.
rememberthecoop
Hello, Garrett’s agent? This is Jerry. You don’t want an extension of 3 years, $10, do you? No? That’s what I thought. We’re gonna trade your client. Have a nice day.
SportsFan0000
Crotchet is a very good, young starting pitcher that probably gets traded.
If I was a President of Baseball Ops, GM or Owner, I would be concerned about Crochet’s durability.
He does not have the track record of pitching over 100 innings in a season much less 200+ innings required of a long playoffs run.
If I had a choice and if I was asked to give up major pieces of my farm system and/or major leage team for a young pitcher,
then I would choose Tigers LHSP Tarik Skubal over Garrett Crochet.
Skuball has pitched more than 100 innings in at least 2 seasons.
Skubal looks like he would hold up during a playoffs run and the playoffs where he may be required to pitch more than 200 innings at a very high level of performance.
I don’t have that confidence with Crochet who could be shut down and on an innings limit in the 2nd half,
Blackpink in the area
Skubal is not available at all
SportsFan0000
Anyone and everyone is available for the right price and deal in MLB.
Teams have already contacted the Tigers with interest for Skubal.
Tigers will not be making the playoffs.
The “Right Deal and High value return for Skubal”
could catapult the Tigers into the 2025 playoffs picture.
Blackpink in the area
Name a deal that the Tigers would consider. The Orioles are clearly the best fit for him. Basallo and Mayo both?
JoeBrady
1-By “right price”, that usually assumes an overpayment. So just like a Ruth rookie card, sure you can buy one, if you overpay.
2-There is no player in BB that will improve the Tigers odds of winning in 2025, more than having Skubal.
cwsOverhaul
Concerns are legit over any SP, especially those that have yet to have TJS. Crochet was treated cautiously last season. He is a good calculated risk, especially since so many elite prospects are nothing special as pros.
Next tier example guy behind Crochet/Skubal is Fedde for those that are scared to deal their supposed best prospects & just surrender a couple decent ones.
SportsFan0000
Consider the Market for dominant top of the Rotation Starters.
The Brewers traded 1 year of control over Corbin Burnes
The Orioles sent to the Brewers:
1) INF Joey Ortiz #63 prospect in Top 100 MLB prospects
2) LHP DL Hall
3) Competitive Balance Draft pick #24
Ortiz is “breaking out” offensively for the Brewers and has become a key piece of their offense
For 2 1/2 years of Skubal, the return should be AT LEAST DOUBLE the Corbin Burns trade returns.
Blackpink in the area
Skubal is simply not available.
SportsFan0000
There is no way that you know that.
From the baseball stories I have seen, Skubal could very well be available if the Tigers were given offers that they could not refuse.
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